Pimax Crystal Super - The Full Truth Revealed! 90 Mins of Unfiltered Insights

[@nedkulic2164]

Well done Sebastian! Your interview skills are Really pushing these developers to fix up there heads sets faster. Your added suggestions help so much with design and visual clarity. Thank you for your support for VR it's much appreciated from everyone 🙏

[@SargonDragon]

88 VFOV is not good. The Vive Pro 2 was generally roasted for having a wide HFOV but narrow VFOV that felt like looking through a mandalorian helmet. Well, according to this the Crystal super is 116H x 88V. The Vive Pro 2 is 116H x 96V. Crystal Super has even narrower VFOV than the Vive Pro 2.

[@replacesoundboard]

I'm actually surprised the Vive Pro 2 got roasted for that reason. Having owned it, I found the VFOV to be quite comfortable. Although, the fact I replaced the stock foam cushion with the official thinner leather cushion probably gave a false impression of bigger FOV by having the lenses sit closer to my eyes.

[@mixedrealityTV]

Crystal Super: pimax.com/products/pimax-crystal-super?ref=mrtv (Affiliate) So, after watching this, what are your thoughts about the Super?

[@Delirious-VR]

I love the brutal honesty with the devs at CES this year!😄

[@mixedrealityTV]

This is MRTV.

[@HeadsetHistorian]

Great video, thanks for going through the hassle of adding timestamps for the whole video also!

[@valentinhackl8459]

Danke für das fundierte Video von Euch beiden. Ich bin neu im VR, habe noch keine praktische Erfahrung und bin nach diesem Video überzeugt dass ihr definitiv Ahnung von der Hardware habt. Ich habe das Teil vorbestellt und bleibe dabei. Danke für dieses gute Video. Ihr seid cool und fair

[@newVRtechDE]

Danke fürs Feedback und allseits viel Spaß in VR! // -Marco

[@technikchegger7228]

Valuable feedback

[@Shalashaska111]

Glad to see you are giving a more honest take on hardware, this makes the coverage worth watching. This is much better than just saying everything is great, no customer wants to hear that.

[@eighties8]

39:41 & 44:21 Did anyone else notice Apple Vision Pro scientist Dagny Fleischman in the background for much of the first hour here? She's a material's scientist working for Apple on Vision Pro - interesting coincidence I suppose or maybe she's doing some research (45:25 - trying on the headset) perhaps Apple is considering using those BOE micro-oled panels for their cheaper headset.

[@newVRtechDE]

Didn't know her. Good observation! // -Marco

[@14thSgtStedanko]

I am due to replace my Aero this year so I will have a close eye on the Crystal Super vs the Superlight 8K vs the VR1 vs the XR4. Looking forward to your comparison of these headsets when you have them at home!

[@newVRtechDE]

Yeah, me too! // -Marco

[@jamiesalmonsculpture8599]

Sweviver is like "oh really, the tracking is not good? "😂😂😂 so, obviously it worked perfectly up until this user test or you're letting your employees get ambushed, and have to make up excuses for you? Gaslighting people in VR doesn’t work!! 😂 You are friends with MRTV, si everyone is very polite and nice, but customers are not your friends. Oh Pimax, you really are something else. Don't ask for pre orders on unfinished hardware.

[@zubunapy]

It´s always like "Ahh, where am i here? What am i doing!!" 😀 I love this guy

[@Skylark0101]

Marco thanks, I always wondered what made objects appear closer than they are in the Pimax distortion profile, now it makes perfect sense that it's the canting of the displays vs distortion profile & lens seating

[@HeadsetHistorian]

Pimax also sets their focal distance at 1 meter, rather than the usual 2 meters. I'm not sure why tbh, although it does work well for flights sims etc but they started doing it long before that was their main focus.

[@jimmy-the-bear]

The Varjo XR4 has apparently resolved the tiger stripes in the panel (QC manufacturer issue I believe), so I wonder if it will be resolved in Pimax as well if they’re using the same panels. Good honest review though, wish more people did uncut videos like this, gives a more genuine perspective.

[@MTO_3589]

I hope that this snap-in mechanism for the HMD or lens modules isn't just made of plastic, because what do you do if these holders simply break away due to material fatigue or something similar and you can no longer use a module because it keeps slipping out?

[@JoelSpatz_]

Pleas turn off the AI Dubbing, it is so bad and i have to turn it off every time.

[@zubunapy]

Diese KI Übersetzung ist ja furchtbar. Gut, dass jemand, der dem Englischen nicht mächtig ist, es einschalten kann. Aber dass jetzt jeder erst einmal mit der Übersetzung gestört wird, ist doof. Ich kam her, um Sebastian zu hören, und plötzlich dringt diese Frauenstimme an mein Ohr...

[@ilikecubes4617]

"Iam not an engineer, but I can observe things very good" That has to be the cringest line full of narcissism I´ve heard this year so far.

[@mixedrealityTV]

Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@SargonDragon]

It's really not. And it's frankly better to hear feedback from people who aren't engineers and will just report what they see. Because so much of the reporting about Pimax products like the Crystal Super includes a lot of handwaving problems away because the person makes assumptions about the underlying engineering and that "this will certainly be fixed in the actual release". Or otherwise excusing it and maybe not even reporting it because of these kinds of assumptions. I want to hear about the condition the product is in _right now._ Not some handwavy assumed future.

[@mattyarnall4902]

So I am new to this. I have tended to have slight motion sickness using VR headsets. For a person like me, which is better having the 57 ppi or having the larger FOV? (or does it even matter)

[@mixedrealityTV]

@@mattyarnall4902 The 57. For the larger FOV they will likely make it less comfortable to look through to maximize FOV.

[@giusepperegano5098]

I admit: I was a little worried after the first impressions of the other video. I pre-ordered the Super a month ago and unfortunately I read afterwards about the poor quality of the after-sales support. I hope that the product that will arrive at my home is without all those defects and that the after-sales support improves. I don't say quickly like in this case (two days to solve a problem) but not even months like I read around. But to work well does it necessarily need a display port 2.1 or does it get by well with the old display ports? I need to know if I also have to change the graphics card to use it😁

[@HeadsetHistorian]

It doesn't need DP2.1, the bandwidth fits entirely into DP1.4a with DSC no problem, so DP2.1 would provide literally zero benefit whilst also raising the cost a lot (it's also not possible right now as the internal components needed for DP2.1 headsets do not currently exist).

[@nonleggolerisposte5921]

Pimax sucks always 1000 productions and all prototopy ahahah

[@Gorilla_Jones]

I don't think anyone cares about the tracking, it's a trade show with lots of interference. The visual quality is what we care about. The tracking will work when you have it at home. FOV and visual clarity and distortion is what we want to know about. Haha Sweviver sweating! Good!

[@royevans1882]

The point is that Pimax demonstrated a product that is nowhere near ready and they are totally unprepared. They’re embarrassing. Why would anyone buy a product from this company?

[@Gorilla_Jones]

@royevans1882 lol true.

[@JayaByte]

I plan on using it with playspace cal for the index controllers until they have a plate that can be tracked on the super. not everyone wants to spend more on a faceplate. Tracking is important, people care.

[@JayaByte]

I plan on using it with playspace cal for the index controllers until they have a plate that can be tracked on the super. not everyone wants to spend 200 more on a faceplate. Tracking is important.

[@djp1234]

Why do they keep saying it's shipping in January when it's obviously not shipping in January?

Oh boy will I stay clear of Pimax and their products

[@unotoli]

I love that Mr.Bezos no in VR business. Jess will make it an Amazon essential in 2030. Jokes aside they should focus on Dream and another one for 8k/12k/whatever-K they promised for a wide screen version.

[@TheHiddenTrueSecrets]

The vertical fov is too low, it needs to be at least 110 degrees for the vertical, otherwise it breaks immersion

[@L_Emir_de_Passy]

No

[@Kryojenix]

Which headsets have that?

[@Capture-the-Dark]

It is supposed to have 110 degree vertical, Sebastian said that it was very likely these units were temporarily limited in their demos to help with distortion. But their original showcase of the super definitely says 110 vertical degrees.

[@Capture-the-Dark]

I just went into the same exact test they have in this booth with my Valve Index and got a vertical of 104 (horizontal of 106). I dropped it down to 88 to see what this would feel like from their point of view at this point in CES. The difference between 88 and 104, just like Sebastian was trying to make a point of, felt like VERY LITTLE difference. Furthermore, its possible it wasn't exactly calibrated correctly. They said they were getting mid 90s, and they advertised 110. I trust they can get it higher than 88, but if they don't I personally felt very very very little difference in my testing. The wider horizonal is where it will feel like a bigger difference for me as I feel like I am in a scuba mask on the index and removing/reducing the side black frame will improve that significantly.

[@TheHiddenTrueSecrets]

@@Capture-the-Darkvertical in my opinion matters more than horizontal for immersion, small vertical feels like you are looking out from a window rather than feeling like you are in the scene fully

[@johnmann7o2]

pimax guy is a good sport, hopefully they will take action of your critique.

[@VillainVonBadGuy]

I'd love to see a lower ppd but an increase from 90hz-120hz to 120hz-200hz be the standard expectations, one built for fast-paced games where it matters. The fact that pimax has the removable lenses makes this absolutely possible.

[@L_Emir_de_Passy]

Maybe you should consider a lower resolution headset, then. But like any headset, you can lower resolution and trade pixels for fps.

[@Jonathan-ol9si]

@L_Emir_de_Passy he's on about hz not fps

[@Jonathan-ol9si]

@@VillainVonBadGuy they promised an "experimental" settings option that overclocks the panels up to 120hz in the future, but that would be pushing the panels already quite far, I'd say atleast 100hz is likely and for the qled you can definitely expect 120hz and more

[@Szabby999]

@@Jonathan-ol9siAnd how do you want to render nearly 30 million pixels at 120Hz (or at 100Hz for that matter)?

[@Racingfan101]

I also wanna know a video card that can do 120hz or higher at this resolution lol. My 4090 struggles already with Bigscreen beyond. Can run it 75hz at full res 3500x3500. But at 90hz not all games and this headset requires much higher resolution.

[@chitteshsham965]

did you try the pimax dreeam air?

[@mixedrealityTV]

It is not a real product yet.

[@Rlmfx]

so they had render resolution set to 60% on Crystal light, but 75% on super... ??? Not a fair comparison. I wonder if they had local dimming on light, and local dimming off on super which made it so much brighter. Considering the res was so different, I suspect something was also different with brightness to enhance the look of super

[@mixedrealityTV]

Yes, that was indeed a bit strange.

[@x32i77]

They are trying to hide the fact that you will only see the actual 50 PPD+ with Quad View rendering applications because they don't have display port 2.1b . I am 100% sure of that

[@SargonDragon]

I'd really like to see the comparison with them both at the same actual width X height rendering resolution. The percentage values don't actually matter and are just arbitrary and can be misleading. What matters are the actual pixel resolutions.

[@x32i77]

@@SargonDragon exactly , it will be super interesting

[@MTO_3589]

What I don't like now is that these cheap speakers are being installed again. Why not install the Dmas speakers straight away?

[@mixedrealityTV]

100% agreed

[@user-ok8ww7bx9b]

Can i see more of the quality of pass through for simrigs

[@royevans1882]

Can you believe that any company would exhibit a new product and be so incredibly unprepared? It’s almost comedy and I had to watch the whole video because I was so amazed.

[@symbioticvirus]

Pimax is cooked

[@Jonathan-ol9si]

@@symbioticvirus how

[@symbioticvirus]

@Jonathan-ol9si idk i just dont trust them 😂

[@Jonathan-ol9si]

@@symbioticvirus holy yap, pipe down

[@symbioticvirus]

@Jonathan-ol9si 😅

[@Nobody-Nowhere]

@@symbioticvirus because you want to copy other people so they would accept you

[@HaasSpitta]

Makes sense why the Super would be able to run at equal or even more (than the Crystal Light) 0.75 of its full resolution bc of Dynamic Foveated Rendering. Every headset must have this going forward. Hardware is only good as it’s software+optimization.

[@billbaggins1688]

Pimax software was written by people with brain injuries.

[@ariarst8977]

I remember Sebastian's review of the StarVR1, the headset that never came out or was expensive. In that review Sebastian said that there was no distortion like the first pimax headsets. I still dont understand why other companies dont just copy their lenses or profile to get the best FOV without any distortion. With very high resolution and foveated rendering to reduce the generated pixels that arent used. Im really waiting for a better headset with bigger FOV without any compromises for a long time now. I think my Index was still the best headset I had. I already have the Quest 3, but if Index would just replace the panels with high resolution panels and give us the same headset, I would buy it again. Or maybe Pimax finally does that?

[@HeadsetHistorian]

I believe the issue with StarVR is that it required 4 viewports to be rendered so almost no games supported the full FOV, and trying to shift the industry to support such a rendering method is basically impossible. Unfortunately their solution doesn't work as a general purpose option for vr gaming in general. I believe that is the reason tbh. If you get an 8kx today there's essentially no distortions, it has improved massively from back in the day (at least for me anyway, I think it depends on faceshape and sensitivity etc).

[@YourFather311]

I can’t wait to preorder the 50PPD one with higher FOV, never experienced high fov vr before !!

[@Kryojenix]

Martin Swepimaxer 😋 1:15:02 I don't know why they couldn't have kept this design and iterated on it to improve and refine it

[@adamthompson8432]

Only pimax would show up with a screwed up machine. lol

[@GD-lv8cc]

Well, I already done cancelled my pre-order. Whatever.

[@arride4590]

This company does a quality test before sell to the customers?

[@JesseTryna]

Same excuse, "still before launch

[@Pootie6678]

can you plug this into a smart phone?

[@gabrieledellera70]

no

[@Jonathan-ol9si]

LOL

[@Szabby999]

You can if you are strong enough.

[@Olim22]

Dude this KZbin audio translation is horrible, why tf they are turning it on as the default option

[@mixedrealityTV]

@@Olim22 great question. Turn your Browser to English and you probably won’t get this.

[@adamthompson8432]

Well this is a hard no, for now.

[@eighties8]

Is this headset just trash? I'm not sure why no one else appears to be bringing these issues to light. Basically what I got from this is its bright but otherwise there's nothing about it that makes it worthy of existing in the marketplace. That's just my impression from hearing Seb's reactions. Is he just done with Pimax at this point or is this really that bad?

[@mixedrealityTV]

Just watch our verdict video. The reactions especially on the first day were bad because the headsets had bad distortion profiles.

[@eighties8]

OK, that was from the FIRST HOUR of coverage. The second hour (filmed 2 days later with a vastly improved software calibration set) is 180 degrees opposite reaction from Sebastien . So I guess its great again then. Bring on the Dream Air as Vision Pro killer.

[@HaasSpitta]

@@mixedrealityTValso on the first day that inertia thing you had going on I believe it was a glitch, the same thing happened to me on my first day with the Crystal Light, it was completely unusable. I had to restart the PC many times and it fixed the issue. So I think it was a software glitch you were experiences. Anyways, it’s not your fault it’s their job to test the demos before putting it on your head (obviously)

[@royevans1882]

@@eighties8nothing will kill the Vision Pro. Especially anything from Pimax.

[@eighties8]

@@royevans1882 Didn't Apple already put it to death? At least that's the news. They've completely shut down production. If they come back with a version that's lighter, more comfortable and affordable without significantly sacrificing visual fidelity and immersion, they will likely be successful. However, there's lots more competition in the marketplace now for high fidelity micro-OLED headsets. I think the Google/Samsung "Android XR" headset is going to be very interesting in this segment.

[@Fiztex553]

Wait, aspheric again? I'll pass then. They'll never fix it because they'd loose way too much of FOV. I'd sacrifice brightness and FOV for a perfect geometry of a pancake lens any day.

[@Fiztex553]

​@@gizmo104drives7 I had a feeling that I've seen this before, hence my surprise about aspherical lenses, thanks for claryfing. Let's indeed see what kind of pancakes they can make. Micro OLED in VR is very tough to do good optics-wise because panels are too small still, so the sweet spot will likely be as small as on BSB. Somehow I have my doubts that Pimax will outshine every other company at this. All most people need is just a bit higher PD than on Quest 3 with a similar FOV and lens clarity, a loss-less cable connection and and a compact inside-out tracking for $1000-1500.

[@Directx11cool]

@@Fiztex553 How do you know what people need? I don’t need the awful FoV of the Quest 3 - 120 HFOV is just barely the minimum for me. I sold my Q3 because of this. The 8KX has cursed me.

[@Fiztex553]

@@Directx11cool Well, I obviously meant the majority in that sentense. But your point is valid still - new Crystals with aspherical lenses will never have the FOV you have, they can barely touch FOV of Quest 3 if you count FOV without distortions which will make you sick. I later saw that the microOLED verison with pancakes is planned, so that one could be interesting if Pimax somehow manages to do the optics right.

[@carniv0rous]

nice indepth impressions. I am actually leaning towards replacing my hp reverb g2 with a super.

[@billbaggins1688]

My Pimax Crystal Light has just stopped working, and completely crashes my PC as soon as it is plugged in. Never buy a Pimax product.

[@SuperDigitalAI]

Sebastian, the BINOCULAR OVERLAP effect .... It TOTALLY DEPENDS on YOUR IPD .... You have your eyes VERY close together, so you will NOTICE a lot more the Binocular overlap compared with someone with the eyes MORE far apart ... Almost ALL the headsets that you complain about Binocular overlap, I've tested and for me are just perfect, no binocular overlap problem, my IPD it's 70mm. I am sure that yours it's around 58 or 60mm. So, you every time that complain about Binocular overlap you must tell YOUR IPD ... So .."For everyone with XXmm IPD ... The binocular overlap it's good/bad/normal etc." Anyone with MORE IPD than yours will notice LESS Binocular Overlap problem, if you notice something wrong.

[@ShowTube12]

well mine is 60, so good to know what he complains about is actually legit for a lot of people.

[@SuperDigitalAI]

@@ShowTube12 Yep, but the average it's 65

[@tomc1380]

Ya, I also get pretty tired of this binocular overlap thing that this and another channel reports all the time. Never been an issue for me, or anyone I know, with any VR headset. Same goes with needing to put fuzzy foam bits to improve microphone performance. Best thing you can do is unsubscribe form channels that continue to post misinformation and affiliate links imho.

[@mikehammer5380]

Binocular overlap is very easy for me to see and determine and I’m 63.5mm. Crystals have traditionally been really weak leading to it just being a big monitor strapped to my face. Same with the varjo aero. But headsets that do it correctly like bigsceen and quest have a massively better depth of field and it’s extremely noticeable. Objects you see can actually be touched instead of just feeling like a giant monitor.

[@SuperDigitalAI]

@@mikehammer5380 Yep, Pico 4 it has a great BiOverlap.

[@thulsadoom2567]

Was für eine scheiß Audioqualität! Da haut es einem doch glatt die Hochtöner raus...

[@mixedrealityTV]

Och geht, dafür dass es auf ner Sau lauten Messe ist.

[@thulsadoom2567]

Schlechtes Mikrofon + keinerlei Audionachbearbeitung + völlig überhebliche Moderation. In Summe halt einfach nur schlecht...sorry.

[@mixedrealityTV]

@ Ja danke fürs trotzdem Schauen und Kommentieren!

[@gabrieledellera70]

ciao qualcuno fa un riassunto in italiano di pregi e difetti? .grazie

[@tickledhorse]

I would suggest looking up language translators online.

[@SJkopa]

I still don't understand why these scammy Chinese companies are getting any attention from consumers.

[@x32i77]

They are not scammy, they are simply very unorganized and they are trying to keep consumers hyped about future products

[@Sacify]

name something better with controller and inside out😃

[@x32i77]

@@Sacify Varjo xr4

[@Sacify]

@x32i77 for 6k€ ? LOL Sebastian didn't like the xr4. dunno.

[@x32i77]

@@Sacify personally I wouldn't go for inside out because there is nothing that is really good on the market . Only budget option is Pimax crystal light but I didn't like the fov on that one . I personally use the somnium vr1 and it's the best VR headset that exist on the market. Watch the recent VR fly sim guy video on that 🙂

[@tickledhorse]

yeah, but thats not what you are selling! You're not selling a launch, you're selling a product! For a boat load of money!