The culture war is sucking the fun out of everything.

[@dawnmana5876]

The old Tinker Bell was more true to actual fairy and fae mythologies. The fae WERE jealous and had anger management issues. It wasnt because she was female.

[@JonaaBLKWL]

With that in mind, things could have gone a lot worse for Wendy

[@SamtheBravesFan]

Yep. And because these people are not so well-read since those actual fairy and fae mythologies are considered "verboten" material, they never learned it.

[@zanyraccoon6361]

Little bit of Column A. Little bit of Column B.

[@internetzenmaster8952]

Yeah, I was gonna say. Fae's are a capricious bunch.

[@lollllolll.]

Yeah, and the fact that they *thought* it was because she was a woman goes to show just how they're *actually* sexist The irony is unreal, when i first saw tinker-bell as a child i never even thought of her as a normal girl Because she's a fairy 🤦‍♂️

[@HighHeelKnight]

I worked as a Disney photographer inside Pixie Hollow of The Magic Kingdom for five years. I cannot tell you how many hundred of people - girls, boys, men, and women - from around the planet loved being able to meet Tinkerbell. I cannot tell you how many hundreds of people on a nightly basis were thrilled at the sight of Tinkerbell during the fireworks celebration. There's also the incalculable millions of theme park visitors across the decades that enjoyed Tinkerbell before the Pixie Hollow era. The people that find Tinkerbell "problematic" just want to trash stuff for the sake of it. They are like Lisa Simpson when she decided NOT to join the football team because it already had girl players and the game balls were synthetic. These folks can only feel happy and important when trashing other people's joy.

[@chrimsonphantom]

That sounds fun, and I don't think anyone had a problem until they made it a problem. Tinkerbell was so popular she was in ads with Walt Disney himself, and I remember that she was the intro flying above the castle in most movie intros.

[@chrimsonphantom]

That also sounds par for the course with Lisa Simpson. Wanting the family to move to boston for a better education, but once she found out that she was no longer the top student she wanted to move back to Springfield.

[@kirayoungblood]

@@chrimsonphantomYup that was Tinky they cancel the damn mascot from Disney Mickey Mouse is the main but Tink was like the Disney ambassador mascot

[@AL-ws5yi]

My daughter loved the fairies franchise. She use to have Tinker Bell poster on her wall. I really don’t understand this hate for old ips.

[@droth1031]

Always easier to stand on the shoulders of those who came before than it is to try and make their own way.

[@wesmcinerny4524]

Has she also seen the original Peter Pan film?

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

Because 'problematic'.

[@chkensammich]

I'm a guy and I loved these movies growing up I thought their world was really interesting as a fantasy fan

[@greenliongirl07]

I think part of it is often these established IPs have set the bar high because they put in the work to make the visuals, narrative, music and technology work together. There used to be bonus features on the making of that had test animation and deleted scenes where they show off their research and talk about how they studied ____ in nature or played with a puppet or went to ____ and how it influenced the story.

[@Andya-ks4bz]

People need to lay off Tinker Bell she’s a good character

[@tesslichtman7302]

Since when have people hated Tinkerbelle?

[@VelvetteSimp]

I love how she's literally evil its so funny

[@bloody4558]

These people need to lay off their Cult, not a single character they complain about is in any way more problematic than these people themselves

[@annien.1727]

@@VelvetteSimp 🙄She's NOT literary evil. She's a fairy who can fit just one emotion in her at a time. That HARDLY makes her evil.

[@annien.1727]

@gnobs-c8f 😡💢💢Oh, zip your lip! What kind of ASININE talk is that?! STOP telling Disney that! Disney is for children, and we're gonna make Disney 100% anti-woke! We're going to abolish the woke agenda permanently and restore Disney back to the way it was before! I'm not joking here, so don't take my words lightly! We're going to change Disney for the better, so stop your yapping.

[@leviticusprime4904]

“Fun is dead and the culture war killed it”- Nietzsche

[@hibikiholmes2867]

0:15 Need I remind you that literally THE MINUTE Jasmine finishes her "I'm not a damzel in distress!" song, she gets kidnapped by Jafar.

[@WBX64]

Lol! She walked right in to that one, didn't she?

[@vetarlittorf1807]

I don't see the problem with being a damsel in distress. Now of course, ONLY being a damsel is lame, but the damsel in distress trope also heightens tension and provides a chance for the hero to be chivalrous. And last time I checked, it's a fantasy among many women to be rescued by a handsome hero.

[@leviticusprime4904]

@@vetarlittorf1807the subregion of a trope will eventually become the trope.

[@vetarlittorf1807]

@@leviticusprime4904 What do you mean?

[@chucklebouf5379]

@@vetarlittorf1807 Basically "tropes" are just story elements. X and !X are both tropes if you do either enough for people to decide to categorize them that way. Let's say on one side you have 'Damsel in Distress' and on the opposite you have 'Princess Saves Herself'. You do each of them 100 times, which one is the 'trope'? Since people use trope negatively, logically you now shouldn't do either thing because they're both overplayed. But that's wrong, execution is what matters in either case.

[@silverscion2144]

It’s like Disney totally forgot they made a whole series of movies fleshing out Tinker Bell as her own well-rounded character.

[@jammyjam4514]

Disney just generally ignores the direct to dvd movies they made in the 2000s.

[@Launchpad05]

Just like how they forgot about their classic cartoon stars.

[@no.1spidey-fan182]

​@@jammyjam4514 crazy part is Tinkerbell had a few cinematic releases at well

[@The1andonlysharpshooter]

@@jammyjam4514I watched two in theatres though :(

[@lucinae8512]

Considering what they did to the Star Wars canon, I wouldn't be surprised if Disney considers all their extended media to be non-canon when it suits them.

[@Invidente7]

What happened with Furiosa is that they struck when the iron was cold.

[@lordsinister707]

And this movie was coming off of the last movie where they quite literally sidelined Max in his own movie

[@Linklex7]

@@lordsinister707Max was always sidelined in his own movies. He’s never been the main protagonist of any of them except for the last 20 mins of part 1. Even that movie focused more on his partner.

[@primecrusader-q7k]

There was a legal dispute between Miller's company and WB that lasted from 2017 to 2019 that halted production, then Covid hit in 2020 and 2021, and it takes about 2-3 years to make movies. By that logic Fury Road should have failed too, it was a bigger gap between it and Thunderdome. I think the main reason people like these movies is the world and the car stuff.

[@ghostbear177]

@@primecrusader-q7k Fury Roaod kinda did fail, it wasn't a total bomb but despite all the positive media attention we remember it signifigantly underpreformed.

[@gameragodzilla]

I do think Furiosa could’ve done better if they were able to get it out sooner after Fury Road. Fury Road was critically acclaimed but did underperform. However, the goodwill from the quality could’ve built up momentum to make the follow up a big hit. We saw that with Batman Begins (which didn’t make that much money at the box office) to The Dark Knight. Hell, we saw it earlier this year with Dune Part 2. Part 1 didn’t make that much money at the box office (though that was partially because of Covid and HBO Max as well) but because it was very good, Part 2 was able to ride that momentum and become a massive hit. But both The Dark Knight and Dune Part 2 came out only 3 years after the last movie, so the prior movies were still in public consciousness. Furiosa came out 9 years after Fury Road, so it was way too late by then.

[@alexandru5369]

So tired of buzzwords like "problematic" "toxic" etc. also if someone is offended by Tinkerbell than they need help and lots of it

[@TheLunarLegend]

I think the problem with Furiosa is nowadays when there's a female lead everyone expects it's going to be the 'girlboss don't need no man' stereotype cause the well has been so badly poisoned. Honestly I don't think there's any coming back from it.

[@animezilla4486]

If people really think that then they really are stupid because they're being too judgmental about every female leads without giving it a proper chance. I know my common sounds cruel but you know something I've been seeing a lot of people don't want to use their brains or common sense these days because they keep arguing about gender and Wokeness

[@chucklebouf5379]

The marketing also didn't help with that. Like the DnD movie, they marketed it for 'modern audiences' even though the movie itself doesn't quite fit that mold. At this point, for a variety of reasons, you have to give people a good reason to bother with the hassle of going out to see a movie. A counter point to it not just being a matter of girlboss fatigue is The Fall Guy. It looked okay, it was okay, nobody went out to see it because it's nowhere near good enough to warrant the effort from people generally out of the habit, too worried about money, or too annoyed at hollywood broadly to go to theaters.

[@Linklex7]

Everything is cyclical. It’ll come back to common sense again one day when the culture war nonsense ends.

[@ButchersNailsEnjoyer]

Yeah it’s frustrating because furiosa isn’t even the main character until like the last act of the movie. Dementus is the main focus for the first part, then praetorian jack and then furiosa gets her moment. Nothing girlboss about having to pretend you’re a guy half your life and then sit out on the forty day wasteland war 😂.

[@abbyward2952]

I actually saw fall guy and really enjoyed it. it was alot of fun but I went because I have the amc deal 12 movies a month for 20 dollars and it looked good enough but if I didn't have that deal I'd probably not have gone seen it because movie theaters are pretty pricey otherwise.

[@Dr._Nicolas]

I am so tired of the culture wars, everyone is just spreading propaganda now, instead of being creative, so tiresome. Also if they don't want tinkerbell anymore can we have it? no of course not, they are just waiting for the culture wars to be over to put her again

[@chrimsonphantom]

I have to thank you because you got me to rewatch sleeping beauty again. In which 1. The three faires carried the movie hard. They came up with the addendum that sleeping beauty would be put to sleep until a true loves kiss will break the spell because love>hate. They made the plan and sacrifice to have Aurora be put into witness protection for 16 years. Isolating her from any contact in that time. Then they are the ones who had to save the prince and protect him from harm until Maleficrnt was killed. 2. I felt bad for the king, who they made the villain. Because not only was his daughter in witness protection for 16 years for her safety. Once she was back at the castle she would've been married off and sent to live in another castle. As that was an arrangement that would benefit both kingdoms. 3. An idea that if anyone with a brain could expand on. The solution of a true loves kiss needed Aurora to be in love with someone. Isolating her from everyone, caused something interesting to happen. She and the prince didn't meet in the forest for the first time. They've been seeing each other in their dreams. Recognizing each other as the person, from their dreams. Wouldn't that be something to expand on sleeping beauty the princess of dreams, seeing them meet up interact and fall in love through their dreams. Then maybe have maleficent try to attack Aurora and the prince through their nightmares? Modern writers overlook so much it litterally hurts.

[@chucklebouf5379]

"Modern writers overlook so much it litterally hurts." It's unfortunately intentional. They all want to be 'first' or 'fixing wrongs' so they need to pretend people who were actually first don't exist and make up wrongs for them to crusade against so they're the virtuous ones. Ironically erasing people more thoroughly and with more intention than any supposed racists ever have. They have to devalue or ignore things female characters do and did to run with this narrative that they'll portray the first female character ever to do anything.

[@chrimsonphantom]

​@@chucklebouf5379 Your absolutely right. I don't need to see a bunch of these remakes to imagine the writers giving themselves a big pat on the back or wanting a reward. For their so called, "improvements". I would imagine at some point they planned to have snow white either save herself and befriend, or kill the evil queen.

[@mjtannertwins]

Thank you so much for the generosity. Love your idea of Aurora and Phillip's dreams. So fun and creative. We'll also do our best to recommend shows and movies we think deserve it. :)

[@chrimsonphantom]

@@mjtannertwins No problem. The idea is more of an expansion, because it's interesting in the long stretch of the movie. How she was destined to be cursed and put into an eternal slumber, to then be awakened by true loves kiss. That right before the day in questioned, they both were having dreams of each other. The prince literally abandoned his crown for the girl he met in the forest. Because she was the woman of his dreams. So it's interesting how they keep making fun of love at first sight. Yet somehow in the grand scheme of things, it appears they already had a connection.

[@dawnmana5876]

My oldest son LOVES Merryweather the fairy. He heavily identifies with her curmudgeony personality.

[@hilgigas09]

Tinkerbell is a fairy, a fey creature. Her odd behavior jealous nature, and not too human appearance is par for the course. It's like their trying to Americanize a creature from European folklore. As for Furiosa I have no opinion one way or the other I had no reason to watch the film since I know nothing about Mad Max and won't start in the middle of a series.

[@chrimsonphantom]

Of course, and she had personality. Modern writers would hate to have Tinkerbell be angry with Wendy, but would relish if Wendy and Tinkerbell would get mad at Peter Pan.

[@guilherme5094]

They made Max a supporting character in the fourth film, they changed some details without any logical explanation. Watch the first film, it's truly a classic.

[@spacedinosaur8733]

@@chrimsonphantom Which they did in the newest Peter Pan movie. Tink and Wendy are friendly instantly and angry with Peter since he can't understand Tinkerbell "because he doesn't HEAR her"

[@chrimsonphantom]

@@spacedinosaur8733 Some writer must've had a field day with that one. Yet of course Peter who spent years with Tinkerbelle and considers her his best friend. Tinkerbell the one who brought Peter to Neverland isn't as close to him as she is with Wendy.

[@yaldamasevpro4862]

They're* 🤓

[@RoRZoro]

Furiosa flopped mainly because people know the story of the sequel and people forgot about the old movie and is not hyped about it. I don't think it's because it had a female lead. But people are also fed up with mediocre stereotypical "strong female lead" movies and now people automatically assumes a movie will be bad if it has a "strong female lead".

[@animezilla4486]

they really believe they are strong female lead I like this then they are clueless

[@guilherme5094]

I asked my brother: Why didn't you go see Furiosa? He looked at me and asked: Why didn't you go? I replied:I want Max as mais character, no Max, no money. He replied: Cinema today has become unnecessary, simple as that. They don't give us reasons to watch new movies anymore.

[@spartan662501]

Absolutely. I just didn't see a point in going. Fury road already did a good job telling her story. It just seems so unnecessary to shell out movie theater prices to go to something I wasn't excited for.

[@dustenekoes28]

Spot on. George Miller has already stated it was always going to be a Wasteland trilogy focused on Furiosa; they started with Fury Road because Max is a recognisable IP, and even then it didn’t do fantastically at the box office. Now we may never see the last movie and the trilogy complete :c

[@Launchpad05]

I'm working on A comic book with A female lead, and while i'm making her as well rounded as I could, I'm concerned about wether she'll come off as A 'girl boss'.

[@Samaru163]

"A true hero isn't measured by the size of his strength, but by the size of his heart." - Hercules Remember when a 1997 Disney movie commented on the difference between physical strength and strength of character? Maybe if more people remembered that, they'd be less quick to write off Disney princesses as weak, and modern writers could write a female character who isn't completely defined by her ability to punch.

[@Wolf-xy7xp]

Can’t wait to see how Disney messes this lesson up when they make the live action remake.

[@yarushumasan9786]

Sweet Baby Jesus, thank you. More people need to hear this. 🗣📢

[@sovietunion7643]

well even beyond that, the nature state of male/female interaction is that the man is the more blunt and strong person in a marrige, and the women is the softer more sympathetic side that balanced out the masculine urge towards aggression. both are necessary and need the other to keep balance. both too much sympathy and too much blunt male logic are terrible, but together the worst parts of both are limited and the better parts of either can shine brighter. both a strong heart and a strong body are needed for balance, but now we have neither

[@jeycb7524]

As someone who loves faries so much since childhood, it is absolutely insane how they want to remove a literal fairy on a Disney meet and greet because of being "problematic," like seriously? Tinkerbell's characteristics and personality are what made her special and loved by fans, especially children!!!

[@Needler13]

Problematic just means that she is an attractive white woman.

[@brainrich1358]

I'm sick of it all too! One side calling something problematic cause X,Y, and Z. The other calling something WOKE when a women is shown. I'm so done with it all.

[@MisteRRYouTuby]

It doesn’t help that these studios are actively taking shots at the audience when things go poorly, instead of focusing and refining the craft to where audiences would love the end result.

[@SumStupidPunk]

Like the lead actress of acolyte making a racially charged dis track of Star Wars fans. My favorite part of the whole song is she makes it about oppression and racial injustice, ignoring the fact that shes a bi-racial one percenter who grew up in a multimillionaire family with private schools, modeling and acting gigs. Not to mention that every member of the production and writing crew Literally wrote the show around the actress.

[@GaioSamurai]

The Audience has been trained. Disney and Hollywood as a whole could call themselves Pavlov. "Female/Diverse lead in a non-romance movie = weak writing, poor plot, boring characters." So now, when they finally do it right, Furiosa makes no money due to Audiences skipping. All because Hollywood rang the bell.

[@DarkCT]

this is my stance at this. maybe when they were pushing "diversity" they should have tried to make it still be good. but they didn't. by using certain groups as a battering ram and putting so much of the marketing, story itself, and counter backlash entirely on physical and sexual factors (representation), they have made anything with those characters on some level more polarizing, even if it is good. you can't expect people to look into every director and production to find out "oh, this time, it's not that!" especially if they've decided to just not bother watching movies at the box office at all anymore. I stopped going to the threatres well before the pandemic stuff myself. and heres the thing- I'm not blaming the audience for backing off when they get burned. I was told repeatedly that the franchises i spent decades watching other people enjoy wasn't for them anymore, just like how the stuff i enjoyed was constantly modified to be worse by localizers who messed up the intent and finer points of the stories from other places i wanted to see. but im the one who gets yelled at by fans of the localization because "it's still good, heck it's better!" and their nostalgia gave them extreme blinders. I wanted the story as it was actually written, damn it, and it is not to much to ask for the linguists who are paid to work on it to do their damn jobs to give people as close to that as possible. Furiosa didn't do well? sure. but lets be honest, how many recent movies are? in a post-pandemic, nearly everything goes to streaming world, the habit of many a movie watcher is broken. people also don't have the money the same way they use to to go watch a movie. people want to blame the culture warriors for it's failure, but frankly Hollywood as a whole has issues, and you can't ignore that.

[@starwin4000]

The four stages of subversion: 1) demoralization, 2) destabilization, 3) crisis, and finally 4) "normalization." We will continue to watch the culture war claim many more victims until fun is nothing but a memory at this rate.

[@ssenkrad67]

"subversion was my job"

[@xdomeman]

Dont let them get to normalization. Keep the culture alive

[@ssenkrad67]

@@xdomeman you are 20 years late to the party bro

[@xdomeman]

@@ssenkrad67 not too late. We gotta look for as much physical media as we can. And everyone is beginning to catch on to it as well by calling them out on their BS

[@sovietunion7643]

the thing is that its really backfiring. they think they are normalizing the stuff they are trying to push, but really its the opposite. by messing with media people love "for the message" it doesn't normalize, it makes it stand out even more which makes people get upset.

[@scatmanjohnfan22]

Its so refreshing to hear someone else recognize that both sides are really annoying I feel like it's impossible for studios to actually care about stories now

[@josteinhenrique2779]

"Both sides are really annoying" One side started that whole "Culture War" BS, turning mundane things into big issues. The "other side" just decided they had enough and decided to fight back against that BS. These two sides aren't equal.

[@AbrasiousProductions]

the anti-woke side annoys me less honestly, I can name one anti-woke thing that got on my grit but a million woke things that infuriate me so much, I have to purposefully ignore them lest I lose my temper.

[@omega6749]

Yeah. Anti-SJWs and SJWs can be both very annoying.

[@Needler13]

​@@AbrasiousProductionsbingo, they killed star wars for me.

[@AbrasiousProductions]

@@Needler13 I never liked Star Wars but I feel your pain since I'm a trekkie and we've gotten the same treatment..

[@yuki2320]

There is a reason why I don't engage with "woke"/"anti-woke", because it's honestly a competition on who can be the loudest and most obnoxious at this point.

[@Seventhplanet538]

Also whoever can produce the biggest amount of brainrot.

[@Cubeytheawesome]

@@Seventhplanet538the whole “woke” and “political” rabbit hole is more dangerous to a young mind than skibidi toilet could ever be.

[@yuki2320]

​​@@Cubeytheawesome I'm embarrassed to say this, because I used to follow those "woke bad" years ago, and seeing them and their content, which brings me into thinking "What the hell are they doing?" At least with skibidi toilet (which I'm very neutral), that kind of stuff is just harmless. Because anti-woke channels just turn people into assholes, and/or Andrew Tate wannabes.

[@niggacockball7995]

@@Cubeytheawesome dom dom yes yes

[@Cubeytheawesome]

@@yuki2320 don’t worry, I completely agree with you.

[@GerardMenvussa]

Seeing the clips from older D*sney movies, like Peter Pan and Cinderella, just reminds me of how good movies used to be. Tinkerbell's animation is amazing, so is the facial animation of all the human characters. All of this know-how is lost now.

[@Launchpad05]

They also make me wish they were still making traditional animation.

[@TaoScribble]

I think it's a combination of: 1) Creators creating poor products and hiding behind a shield of virtue and self-importance 2a) People being tired of garbage products 2b) People being trained to expect that products touting diversity are going to end up being garbage 3) People using the above to be dongs

[@yarushumasan9786]

This.

[@SuperMaster000X]

4) Bad people grifting and spreding the "diversity=bad", instead of the writing.

[@TaoScribble]

@@SuperMaster000X I consider those people to be part of number three. XD

[@Dinosaurprince]

Disney isn’t Disney anymore. It hasn’t been for over a decade. His daughter warned us in the aughts this was coming.

[@milcahreyes5287]

You mean Diane Disney?

[@Missfaithhere]

What if the reason companies are creating more and more girlboss characters who have no flaws is to trick young women into believing perfection is the norm and if you have flaws something is wrong with you. This would create a huge self esteem issue with young girls, creating more opportunities for big pharma to sell pills to them, plastic surgery, increased sales in high fashion, etc. It's all about making money. I'm more than likely wrong but I've become so cynical of Big everything that, if i somehow guessed on the nose, I wouldn't even be surprised.

[@vetarlittorf1807]

I wish Disney was still ruled by the Disney family. We have Roy E. Disney to thank for the Disney Renaissance and he understood that story comes first, message comes second.

[@rosesske2551]

I don’t trust any of the current members of the Disney family. Especially Abigail Disney.

[@lyokianhitchhiker]

@@rosesske2551what’s wrong with the surviving members of the Disney Family?

[@rosesske2551]

@@lyokianhitchhiker They’re always screaming about how evil and awful Walt and Roy were(despite the fact that their family would most likely not be anything without them and they’ve been living off Walt and Roy’s wealth for literal decades at this point ). They also don’t have a good track record with running businesses.

[@lyokianhitchhiker]

@@rosesske2551 I see.

[@jovianmelendez]

​@@rosesske2551idk about Roy but it is true that Walt was a bit of a POS, at least from what I know of him. A talented man, but still a pos.

[@tesslichtman7302]

As a feminist, I believe 1000% that women can and should have lives beyond romance. I love recent films with female leads that don’t involve them seeking out a love interest. But does this mean that we will never see a fiction female lead with a love interest ever again? It is completely possible to have a strong, independent female protagonist in a heterosexual relationship without the female lead being reduced to a love interest or damsel in distress. Is Elastagirl any less of a strong female heroine because of Mr. Incredible? Is Esmeralda any less of a strong female heroine because of her relationship with Phoebus? I think that films depicting women who don’t seem a romantic relation can and should continue. But that doesn’t mean that women shouldn’t seek romance either. There’s nothing wrong with either.

[@IsabellaMathew]

%100 agreed.

[@missrebel634]

Yup. Male characters have female love interest too and that doesn’t make them any less interesting. Same goes for female characters.

[@Ms_Mochi_Nerd]

Omg thank you for being one of the more SANE feminists🥲

[@sovietunion7643]

they also should be able to make male characters that aren't weak or made to seem stuipid. why can't we have a male character that is still masculine and assertive while still being respectful. seriously, women aren't even attracted to weak/helpless men so i don't understand why (especially white) men have to be portrayed as weak without the female character.

[@Ms_Mochi_Nerd]

@@sovietunion7643 I know right?

[@GarciaXVLegend_04]

Because of your Channel I've been revisiting Disney Classics that I haven't seen in a very long time: Mulan, Hercules, and The Fox & The Hound (definitely a Golden Classic), I forgot how much I love these films & how well they hold up. I even watched Pinnochio, Snow White, & Cinderella so despite not being too crazy about them (not thinking they're bad) I just find it puzzling how Modern Disney can "fix" them for a "New Audience" when they're completely fine. Lastly, I just reawakened my childhood when watching Orginal The Little Mermaid AND The Little Mermaid 2! I forgot how much I love Melody & the Sequel more than her mom/previous-film😅 You girls are awesome & really love your Discussions, keep up the great work👍

[@mjtannertwins]

Thank you for your generosity and kind words! Glad you enjoyed revisiting these wonderful movies. :D

[@GarciaXVLegend_04]

@@mjtannertwins You're very much welcome

[@makocrab2223]

The only legit reason I can think of to remove Tinkerbell from the parks is that the character actresses are notoriously harassed & groped. All these other excuses might just be weak PR trying to resolve the problem without blaming the customers. But that’s it. If they really do think Tink is problematic, then they’re crazy.

[@oscarstainton]

Disney: Don’t worry, I’m not making the same mistakes again. Everyone else: No you’re making- you’re making all new ones.

[@GracieeLinn]

OF COURSE Tink is problematic, Mr. Michael Mousebrain. THAT'S LITERALLY PART OF HER CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!! 😅

[@MaverickhunterXZero]

Disney hates it's old legacy, while fans despise the new legacy they are trying to force down their throats with the 15th "Look at me! I'm oh so quirky!" personality vacuum stand-in for a character in either new film or reboot. Side note: I know the game shown in the vid. The "localization" butchered it and made character extremely unlikable, which compliments them very well. And it is very how they brought a lot of this on themselves. I've lost count of the times of "give it a shot", not liking it, and being called a bigot or sexist. It's not worth it. Branded a heretic both ways, so might as well save the money. They had all the opportunity to course correct, and not label people entitled, sexists, "This will put the man-babies in their place!" and then whined that the audience they didn't want killed the product's success.

[@sanspie029]

This reminds me of when Little mermaid (original) was criticized because Ariel “gave up her voice for a man” even Jodi benson said if you watched the first 15 minutes, it’s not the man she wants but to be human in general. I feel like people need to look deep into the characters before saying they are “outdated” or something like that.

[@cts1234567]

Fair point you've made, we have reached the point of the culture war where people are making snap shot at anything that looks like it's from the "wrong side". Still it should be stated that is the fault of the "lack of pushback"/support it all endured from all "official critics/reviewers" and movie/show crews attacking the fans to shield their bad media. It's "The Thing" all over again, "nobody trusts anybody now, and we're all very tired.".

[@SapphireKnight675]

pretty much, it's called Turnabout and Reaction, this is the end result of everything they did from Games to Comics to Movies, the West isn't trusted anymore and now they have to make good movies without anything resembling that stuff now before anyone can even trust them again, if they can be trusted again, they knew it would happen and didn't care, now they get to sleep in it

[@Mabra51]

"Tinker Bell's glow is unrealistic" Do these people not understand the concept of magic ?

[@kluvis891]

Characters having flaws and conflict is storytelling 101. The fact that Disney with all of its wealth and popularity have forgotten about this fundamental law of writing is baffling!

[@nightmarefanatic1819]

Disney sounds like all the dweebs whining about Gwen from ATSV. OMG, how DARE she have flaws and failings that are completely understandable, she takes accountability for and is actively trying to make up for. Why aren't we teaching little girls that they must never, ever make mistakes even when they're in impossible positions? UGH! /s

[@Slayer398]

@@nightmarefanatic1819 have you missed their writing for the last 15 yrs? It's all "girls are perfect as you are, everyone else must just accept you and that will bring out your 'special powers' in *insert movie name*"

[@Eudaimonist]

The pattern I see is this: 1) Intelligent people correctly identify a problem. 2) A movement grows around those largely correct ideas. 3) The movement grows so quickly it attracts people who don't understand the ideas. 4) The new people treat it as tribal warfare between political groups. 5) The new people embarrass the movement and subvert its original goals. The issue for me has always been around the quality of storytelling, the objective requirements to tell stories well, and the ethics of storytelling. Yes, a movie or television series can absolutely have a female lead and be a well-told story. Unfortunately, the level of trust that exists for Hollywood is at an all-time low and one expects the continuation of an established pattern of bad behavior. I don't think that the fans should be blamed for that, but at the same time they should be more thoughtful and discerning.

[@peterixxx]

3) The movement grows so quickly it attracts all kinds of people. Including people who want to twist and corrupt the movement to their own sick ends. And sometime the movement has been those people all along, just incrementing from something that seems sensible on the surface to something entirely monstrous.

[@sovietunion7643]

i've noticed the list you mentioned is especially true for progressive ideals. most liberal movements start in a good place, but the issue is a lot of the movements are based on the emotional/sympathy part of the brain, where a lot of conservative ideals are based in the brutal logical part of the brain. neither side of the brain is inherently better than the other, but the emotional side is more problematic at becoming too engrossed in an idea that is based on emotional/moral truths rather than objective truths i honestly feel really bad for the 1st wave progressives who fought really hard to get things like civil rights, gay marrige and feminism into place, only to have to watch it go completely to insanity one generation later, which spoils the name of genuinely good ideals. like seriously look at the just stop oil people defacing stonehenge recently. no one has set the enviornmentalist movement back further than just stop oil.

[@londynwallace2393]

I absolutely agree with the whole “everything is too problematic ” or “ too woke” it just sucks the fun out of movies and shows. Seriously why can’t we just enjoy movies without being attacked by one or both sides of these stupid culture wars

[@YumikoYouku]

3:34 Oh do I HATE the trope of: You are only a strong independent woman if you are constantly angry, annoyed and punching people and things. Being strong means so much more than physical strength - empathy, compassion, helpfulness ....

[@cpubigdipper9145]

More than just removing tropes, they create new ones.

[@kaykutcher2103]

That's the big thing here. From heroic to useless and demure to wench. Progressive like a car going in reverse by the cliffs of Dover.

[@samueltitone5683]

I have reached this kind of zen state where I no longer see stories as “woke” or “problematic.” They are well written or poorly written. That is all.

[@EquesTron]

I wish Furiosa did better, but at least it makes for a great back to back double feature with Fury Road. Disney trying to cancel Tinkerbell is very annoying. I mean, the sparkles above the Disney castle in the opening company logo comes from her. Are they going to remove that now? So silly.

[@datanotfoundpleasetryagain3559]

Lemme just say this right now. You're becoming one of my favorite KZbinrs that tackles the culture war and the whole back and forth between what's acceptable. I'm just as tired of it as you are, and I completely relate to this content because of that. The internet hasn't been the same since GamerGate.

[@NoshikiYT]

Fr this culture war nonsense is pissing me off

[@BlackWingedSeraphX]

It's what happens when you hire ACTIVISTS to be your Writers instead of great storytellers.

[@leviticusprime4904]

People dont like being told what to believe and what not to believe

[@roluevasreisa5730]

Furiosa was garbage Stop lying pretending it was good If Chris Hemsworth wasn't in the film you would call it trash garbage We didn't believe your lies for Ghostbusters 2016, also a feminist film with Chris Hemsworth, and it didn't work here either

[@CantRead1]

Or people who say the word "Woke" every single second despite not knowing what it actually means.

[@BlackWingedSeraphX]

@@CantRead1 It's to describe people who overcompensate and pander or no reason.

[@roluevasreisa5730]

@@CantRead1 hey hey hey don't lump us all in with synthetic man lol

[@Mr.Cynical]

Isn't Tinkerbell, like, one of Disney's mascots? Why would they get rid of their mascot? That makes no sense. 😭

[@HollyheartTheCatQueen]

0:43 Tinkerbell fan here... THE GLOW COMES FROM THE PIXIE DUST OBVIOUSLY!!! The dust is a form of magic that comes from a rare, pixie dust tree (only 3 exist currently) which must be maintained due to it being a natural resource to the fairies. Are we sure this is the same company that created the whole tinkerbell series? Like Tinkerbell and the Lost Treasure and The Pirate Fairy (the 2 movies where pixie dust logic is explained the most)? also since when did disney care about confusing people with unethical situations? They're fairy-tales and imaginative projects, not based in science.

[@AVGJ3859]

They want to remove the magic. 😞

[@GuiltlessGear]

tinkerbell was an entire successful subfranchise unto herself, and girls loved her. what even is this.

[@BlackWingedSeraphX]

In the Remake of The Powerpuff Girl's they took out Sedusa ENTIRELY lmao They don't want any woman to be sexy.

[@Honeycomb-fj3kr]

Not to be rude, but I wouldn't want my kids to be watching a cartoon and something sexy popped up. Women in media can and should be beautiful, not have to be sexy.

[@CliffDiverBOA]

@@Honeycomb-fj3kr Kids my generation grew up watching those cartoons and ended up fine.

[@BlackWingedSeraphX]

@@Honeycomb-fj3kr I guess I get that. f the audience is primarily children.

[@careottjuice]

​@@CliffDiverBOA they are NOT fine 😂😂😂 YOU are NOT fine. Grow up it was wrong and you watched it too young because you're parents were absent and didn't care

[@JonaaBLKWL]

@@Honeycomb-fj3kr bro they had bugs bunny doing sexy crossdressing. The only thing sexy characters in cartoons are going to do is turn you into a furry. ... Okay so maybe there's something to this

[@Krusnik66]

The funny thing about the older Disney princess is that the only thing that was suppressing them, were other insecure women. The men however were generally kind and Grumpy's treatment of SW was frowned on by the other dwarves.

[@djjoe8899]

Honestly, I feel like these people have nothing better to do than just to complain, and make changes for change sake

[@genebaker511]

The problem with Furiosa is that no one cares about that character and another problem is that they slap Mad Max into the title that doesn't have Max himself.

[@BobPantsSpongeSquare97]

No that wasn't the issue. Furiosa is indeed a popular character but the Mad Max films historically have never been huge money makers in the box office. Fury Road which was a Mad Max film, didn't have Furiosa in the title, and also got glowing reviews from critics and the general audience only had a lukewarm box office performance that was a little above breaking even with its budget. The reason why Furiosa flopped is because of poor marketing and the simple fact that it should have come out in like 2018 or 2019. The reason it took so long was George Miller had a legal dispute with WB that lasted a few years and covid pushed the film back further in development. So in 2024 with non Mad Max fans forgetting about the franchise due to time passing and little marketing sealed its fate

[@genebaker511]

@Spongebrain97 Or you could say, Fury Road sidelined Max in his own movie is what hindered the box office which contribute to production delay. Then, trying to continue the franchise without Max is what killed it. Edit - They've recast Mad Max character with a different actor and then they've sidelined him, didn't help the film.

[@gaothhermesk1289]

A freaking magical creature glowing!!!!??? Wow, it seems those people never saw a fairy tale in their lives

[@soulechelon2643]

Please let this era be over soon. Everything is problematic. Everything is "man's gaze". Everything is "for the modern audience". Everything is absolute manure. No, not even manure. Manure at least has some redeeming qualities. Nah, this era is just a glob of nothing, spray-painted rainbow colored to appease the shallow and disappoint everyone else. There is no fun, no creativity. Just bland, boring, and utterly destructive. When will this be over.

[@careottjuice]

It will be over until they make content for different audiences again, not "everyone"

[@agnesleuenberger3713]

Fully agree. Isn't it strange, we see rainbow flags everywhere, but this time has never been so colourless...

[@loupblanc7944]

It's going to get worse.

[@Slawa_Saporogez]

Nah, t's an election year. Political commercials are in full swing right now.

[@UncannyBeagle]

This culture war is killing our entertainment industries, well that and the fact the economy is slowly sliding down the drain.

[@non1263]

I’m glad you acknowledged that these puritans trying to “fix” things for a “modern audience” only harm the ideals they claim to fight for. Plenty of media before this culture war had strong female characters and diverse racial casts, and people were largely okay with it then. The difference now is that so many devs and directors keep putting identity politics over good writing and patting themselves on the back for it while lashing out at haters. Now it’s genuinely not that unreasonable to assume any game/movie that has a female lead or a diverse cast will just be “woke”. Not guaranteed, but far from unlikely. Maybe people would be more willing to give things like Furiosa a chance if they had the money or time, but they probably don’t in this economy so they kind of have to be more discriminatory with what they use to entertain themselves. This is only confounded if the media in question goes so far as to mock or ridicule certain identities. Maybe the movie or game is overall good but I’m not going to be not insulted at jabs at my race, gender, nationality or sexuality. If it was uncommon then that’s fine, but when everyone seems to be doing it, it’s exhausting at best and insulting at worst.

[@graylykan2739]

Tinker Bell being removed reminds me of the sad fact that Jessica Rabbit got removed from Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin ride... 😑 Never mind that she was a strong female character who didn’t take shit from anyone. I love Roger Rabbit, and Jessica is such an iconic character, so it pisses me off that they removed her from the ride. Because oh no, how dare she get captured by the Toon Patrol... never mind that she fucking FREES HERSELF from her bonds and beats the shit out of the two weasels guarding her?? Screw modern Disney. The people behind the studio know nothing about the nuances behind their original classic female characters or their classic 2D-animated films.

[@miscielrossvillegas6307]

"A woman falling for a man is no longer a good thing" I'm sorry? Am I in 1984?

[@_Devil]

I miss when video games, movies, and TV shows were made for the consumers and not for other producers.

[@CantRead1]

What are you talking about? Considering the boom of great TV series in the 2010s and being able to name several fantastic games like RDR2 and God Of War as an example. You really need to be more specific. This "I miss" comments online are irritating and are bot like comments at this point.

[@BobPantsSpongeSquare97]

​@@CantRead1 yeah seriously. Especially in this video's comments there so many "I miss when Disney used to be Disney" as if movies like Frozen and Moana werent major successes that people all over the world enjoyed. People get so caught up in nostalgia that they act like every piece of media was always good and there never any bad forgotten movies, games, or tv shows that existed

[@SIlverbullet108]

Hollywood poisoned the well. We had SO many unsufferable girl boss characters in these last years that people now instinctively just stay away from them or from what look like one.

[@laisphinto6372]

And its mostly still true that nearly all of the New female Characters have the Same annoying modern Hollywood writing

[@SlapstickStooge]

There's a line from Game of Thrones that can be applied not just to Disney, but a lot of Hollywood executives who try to appeal the widest audience possible: "You waste time trying to get people to love you, you'll end up the most popular dead man in town" Hollywood needs to focus on making great movies and art, instead of trying to be please everyone by being overly politically correct.

[@Cubeytheawesome]

That makes sense. I wanted my own idea for a series to be somewhat edgy and story-driven, but I decided to change things to have it be a more surreal slice-of-life thing, since I think we need more of that. Also because smiling friends was amazing.

[@etherealdragon207]

The only way you can justify a character with a shorter health bar is if it is a power-balancing thing like.

[@fadepanther6224]

Honestly, I think you hit the nail on the head. Everyone, all sides these days, are getting too sensitive about things that really don't need that much "attention" there are some truly important things across the world that people could be putting that same effort in dealing with, but these days either you think... Wait. Basically this is just the "step up" from you can't just like something or just dislike something. Either you're in one camp or another, no in between. Which is more unrealistic than a fictional character having real life character flaws. I fear this is all a smoke screen for other issues, and worse yet is how those who are doing the biggest part of the pushing is doing so without taking a moment to think about what they're doing. Great video. And, like others have said, there is no winners in war. Even wars like this will not leave anything good behind.

[@KeeKage37]

This is really getting out of hand. Tinker bell was fine as is. Yeah, she had anger issues and was jealous of Wendy. But that just adds to her character being flawed. Which is a good thing. I feel like now a days people think the audience wants the character to be perfect right out of the gate instead of having flaws to outgrow or develop out of. And yeah. Think had a thing about having too much in the trunk. But that was part of the comedy for adults. Because you know. It’s nice to have something for adults to enjoy too while there watching a movie with there kids.

[@MrAuthor3DS]

Might be in my head, but I swear I've seen a lot of people being harsher toward characters of light-gray morality than those of any darker moralities. It's...odd, to say the least - especially since a lot of those darker-moral characters have unironic fanbases of their own, too.

[@BlackWingedSeraphX]

I knew people weren't going to give Furiousa a chance too. Everyone is tired of the Hollywood Girl-Boss trope. EDIT: Let me be clear. I'm aware that this movie was not too bad in the "woke" department. I was just saying people got sick of the cliches and assumed the worst when they saw a girl lead here.

[@animezilla4486]

That's nothing but a sorry excuse people who actually gave the movie a freaking chance never say anything about her being a girl boss show people just jump to the conclusion without getting all the facts first

[@bobhadababy4079]

@@animezilla4486 It's pattern recognition though. If 19 times out of 20 a female lead actor means the movie is gonna have super awesome hyper omega girl power as the central theme, in which the main character girl bosses her way through everything with minimal resistance. People aren't even going to take the chance on number 20 anymore. It's pattern recognition. People are tired of it, people are tired of being told "This isn't for you!" well, great. Those people are taking their time and money elsewhere now and aren't even willing to give other shit a chance. This is a very, very obvious case of some idiots (In this case, disney writers) ruin it for everyone. (In this case, according to you, Furiosa).

[@piraptor5677]

Honestly that's the unfortunate reason I hadn't gone to see it, it's been a bit of a annoying trend for some movies lately and I wasn't overly familiar enough with the mad max series. Played a game and have some vague memories of a movie or two when I was much younger but may have to go see if this movie defied initial impressions sometime

[@BlackWingedSeraphX]

@@bobhadababy4079 Well put and I agree 100%. It just looked to be the same "type" of movie so a lot of us skipped it.

[@motor4X4kombat]

Sure furiosa sucks because is a woke film... now lets all watch the boys that show is NOT woke at all... Its kinda funny that the movie everybody claims is left propaganda is doing good with audience scores (including hideo kojima) while the "not leaft" show is beeing paned by audience because of how unsubtle its commentary is. And sometimes they even drop their own in universe logic because of "social commentary"

[@VerdantRange]

There's a typo in the title and the description where you wrote "was" instead of "war".

[@DangericeDreams]

Hey! You’re the guy from the thing! 😱

[@freaknr1]

In regards to Furiosa, I'm pretty sure it failed due to 4 factors: 1. The almost 10-year gab between it and Fury Road. Now people will argue that the sucess of Fury Road, which came put way later than Beyond Thunderdole disproves this, but Fury Road felt like and was marketed as a reboot/easy entry point. You didn't need to know anything about Mad Max to enjoy Fury Road. Furiosa on the other hand is a direct prequel to a 9 year old movie, thus potentially loosing a lot of younger audiences who were to young to see Fury Road when it came out, and thus have no little interest in the story. 2. The trailer showed way too much CG, which soured fans, as one of the greatest strengths of the entire Mad Max series is the use of practical effects and stunts. Yes, Fury Road used CG as well, but it was way more subtle, and if you compare the trailers, the difference is obvious. 3. Girlbosses ruin it for other female characters. I would argue that Furiosa isn't a girlboss or a "Strong Female Character"(tm), but an actual well written character, that happens to be female, and that George Miller once again shows everyone how it is done. But the audience has been burnt so many times by now, that they aren't willing to give something a try. Many fearing that this was yet another example of a girlboss replacing an existing male lead also contributed. 4. Times are hard and money are thight. In a better economy, points 1-3 propbably wouldn't had much impact, but them combined with tickets being expensive as hell, as well as everything else being almost as expensive? Most people who were in doubt probably passed on Furiosa, saving their money on a safer bet. Which is a shame, since Furiosa is great. Not as fantastic as Fury Road, but in another leauge entierly than the slop Hollywood has served us these last few years. Hopefully it will do better on streaming and home video.

[@KeybladeMasterAndy]

Disney just going along with the criticism goes all the way back to days of "sex" leaves in Lion King and "Boner Priest" in TLM. They edited stuff like that out over a decade ago.

[@lasercraft32]

Heaven forbid letting a character have character flaws...

[@barbos1507]

Wasn't the reason why Chunli had lower health because she was a faster character, compared to Zangief who was the slowest yet had the biggest health bar?

[@YycAdrian]

I always recommend the older disney movies to my friend's children because I want them to experience the same magic I did as a child watching them. The new stuff is just out of control

[@WattoXtreme]

Tinker Bell was honestly insufferable in the original Peter Pan so I don’t mind changing her up much, like what they did in her movies

[@AbrasiousProductions]

it's a tragedy how disney has become the WESAYSO corporation..

[@GrenSilverKougaOfficial]

It's gotten so bad that even Pixar became affected.

[@AbrasiousProductions]

@@GrenSilverKougaOfficial disney seems to ruin everything it touches.

[@SlashTheWeasel]

I think the reason why Furiousa flopped is that we've had how many movies, comics, shows, etc showing another "strong female lead" that ruins another franchise so much that people don't care to go see it. Furiousa may have been good but it had that huge obstacle based on what has been done for the last few years. Who can blame the audience for not wanting to pay their hard earned money to see ruined again?.

[@BobPantsSpongeSquare97]

No Furiosa flopped because of poor marketing and the fact that the film took too long to come out which lost casual viewer's interest. Also the Mad Max films historically never made that much money in the box office. Fury Road was beloved by most people yet it only did lukewarm at the box office. Furiosa just should've come out in like 2018 or 19

[@sovietunion7643]

the issue is that the poltical message becomes more important than just creating media that is enjoyable. movies can still have the poltical stuff, for instance the first blank panther was pretty heavy with the political undertones but still had a pretty cool plot with a weirdly good moral message about opposite extremes. compare this to the second black panther which took the political side and made it the entire thing which turned it into unwatchable garbage.

[@hope-cat4894]

It's like how Hollywood in the 2010s became obsessed with zombie and vampire films that it got old and audiences stopped caring.

[@Underworlddream]

Having seen Furiosa I thought it was ok but it didn’t blow me away. I thought they could have added or change a few thing to make it better. With this movie I hate they basically skipped out the 40 day Wastle War between Immortan Joe and Dementous, had they shown it I would be raving to people to see this but they didn’t. With this movie a thing I hate the most in the conversation about this movie is people who apparently love this movie but seams to be more in love using it to attack people, instead of making good reviews for it and talking about the various elements they like. I seen people bash Critical Drinker even when he say it a good movie and saying it dog whistling that it actually bad. We have Ya Boi Zack making video daily for 2 weeks on why the antiSJW fault the movie failed even when they gave it a good review but he could not make a single review on the movie it self. Remembered when Alita Battle Angel came out and we had channel being made devoted to it, people talking and doing stream on why they love it. The AntiSJW where promoting it like crazy because they wanted it to succeeds and get a sequel. But the people who Really love Furiosa can't do a single review, I don't even think I ran into these people raving about a must see scene they liked.

[@yumatsukumo1096]

Well it's pretty cut and dry actually, activists has infected and ruined tons of franchises with their calling card being diverse characters. So now when people see a diverse lead or prominent character it's a potential sign of forced politics and bad writing.

[@czwarty7878]

Simple pattern recognition, we're already past a decade-long string of awful movies with "strong independent female lead/diverse cast" formula so how can anyone be surprised people instantly expect awful movie when seeing this formula again? And yes, people will judge it now without even seeing the movie and nobody should be surprised with it either, as again, it's simple pattern recognition. I don't need to watch the new soap opera to know I don't like it, because I know formula of soap operas and hate it. Same with abovementioned formula movies. Mainstream media worked very hard to achieve this state of things and shouldn't act surprised now that they reap effects of it.

[@AIartificalIntellige]

Yh this whole video was cope honestly. Furiosa might have been okay but most ppl dont have an issue with Arcane. Culture War or not, people will watch 'diverse' characters if the work done is outstanding.

[@yumatsukumo1096]

@@AIartificalIntellige that too

[@AegisAuras]

This battle between extremes is a natural occurrence when one side goes too far. An imbalance is created and causes a polarity to occur, forcing opposite extreme opinions. The two clash intensely until each side has heard and understood enough of the other’s opinions to see they themselves were out of balance. It’s like a rubber band effect. Ideally, each side should be as reasonable and understanding as possible to prevent the rubber band from being pulled too far in either direction, causing a rebound. This causes balance between the polarities to come more quickly; the rubber band comes to rest in the middle.

[@Makoto03]

Great video. I'm also sick of the culture war. Both the 'woke' and 'anti woke' side annoy me. Every videogame and movie is dragged into this nonsense now. I just want to enjoy entertainment.

[@StripesChaosGremlin]

This also is extending to gaming which is upsetting as I can list many games with really interesting and diverse characters but there are other games that feel like the only reason a character is there is to tick some boxes. The difference between passion and box ticking is fairly obvious.

[@KokoroHane]

For me, I do my best to judge something by its own merits. I recently streamed a film I saw a trailer in the theater for only once, I only remember one small detail about it and finally came across its title. My brother and I watched it and thought it was pretty epic. Reading reviews about it, many people enjoyed it which surprised me since it did not do well in the box office. Then I came across one review about it containing this and that and I'm like.... did we watch the same film? I did not get those vibes at all. What the reviewer listed would be things that would turn me off about any story, but I loved this film as I felt what was listed was not present. So I agree with you about the fun being sucked out of everything. People have destroyed writing good characters of certain types so much that when you see anything that slightly resembles it their alarm bells go off. I'm just tired. I've been tired about the trash they've put in films as of late, but I am also tired of potentially good stories being overlooked because people are afraid it's this and that all over again. Such a sad and not fun time we live in, it's almost like someone wanted it to be that way. Like having a culture war over entertainment is so sad, we have no more escapism or anything to be inspired by anymore after a long hard day's work.

[@chrimsonphantom]

Thank you for pointing out both sides of the argument. I think I'll give furiosa a watch the first chance I get. Formulate my own opinion, yet at this point we've been so bogged down by a bunch of modern MCU strong female writing. "I'm great at controlling my anger because I do it INFINITLY more than you do." It has made me skeptical on any new movies coming out. Yet if you can, can you give movie shoutouts? Like films, shows, or media that also been overlooked and needs a shot.

[@Dezcheese]

I like all kinds of stories, I just don't like when certain stories suck the fun about everything

[@foolishsamurai9046]

It's useful to clearly distinguish between realism and immersion. The action hero defeating 30 trained combatants alone instead of being overwhelmed is unrealistic regardless of their sex. But immersion is subjective. Some people won't care if the action hero is male or female. For many others, it will be easier to retain immersion if the action hero is a big strong man. Voicing a preference or a distaste here is fine, just the "realism" bit doesn't help the discussion. And the Chun Li hp bar thing is just silly.

[@gatewoodanimations9753]

I miss the days when movies were seen as movies and people didn’t make hour long videos talking about how “bad” a movie is. I miss just enjoying movies, even flawed ones without being reminded of how people hate them

[@chucklebouf5379]

People never didn't do this, they just couldn't profitably broadcast it. This is what nerds have always spent their time doing going back at least provably thousands and likely tens of thousands of years. We've been telling stories for a long time, our brains are also wired to pick them apart for meaning.

[@ToonCaperA113]

Yeah. I agree.

[@ToonCaperA113]

Yeah. I agree.

[@careottjuice]

Well them don't use KZbin or click on these videos

[@gatewoodanimations9753]

@@chucklebouf5379 I guess so, but why is literally every single person doing this instead of just like one or two? It’s just too much

[@AguyInACrazySuit]

It’s like Disney feels ashamed of their old movies or something 🤨 I really don’t get it

[@MagillanicaLouM]

Yes remove the, honestly arguably most iconic, character from one of your most iconic movies (and easily one of your most iconic characters period) from a celebration theme park because..... She has a personality and character flaws... Ones that most ppl, including the children that grew up with that movie for MULTIPLE GENERATIONS, never took issue with. But yeah it's gone too far on both ends of the culture war thing. But i say it's just a sign of how forced and sad the whole thing has gotten. Hopefully its a sign of the end of this stuff.

[@zillauniverse7208]

I didn’t go see Furiosa simply because I was just not interested in it, I wasn’t too big on Mad Max Fury Road so why would I want to see a prequel that felt unnecessary, still I will probably give it a watch when it’s on streaming.

[@motor4X4kombat]

The cosumer: i want to see badass shit like fast and the furious, transformers and godzilla vs kong. George Miller does the most badass movie in ages that was even nominated for best picture. Also the cosumer: ew not my thing.

[@chucklebouf5379]

@@motor4X4kombat It's not even as good as the last one. It's fine, but it drags out and the beginning and end are the weakest parts, which is not where you want a movie to be. Movies are more expensive, Hollywood more obnoxious, and there's a million other things to do with your time than gamble that this time when you spend several hours and 30 bucks of your money on some 'action movie' with a 'strong, empowered' female lead you won't regret it. That's a complete suckers game. Plus if you let it bomb hard enough they'll push it to streaming faster and you can try it at home for the cost of things you're already paying for with a likely better or at least more custom and convenient viewing experience. Hollywood is also overpaying for movies. You would never expect Furiosa to make more than Fury Road did, yet they budgeted and spent on Furiosa that they would need to make double what Fury Road did to make any money. That's dumb. It's why horror films are doing well now. Made cheap 30-50 million, they earn maybe a consistent 100 million and you made millions. If you budgeted one at 200 million like Furiosa, you'd lose 100 million.

[@motor4X4kombat]

@@chucklebouf5379 yeah let go and see something more fun... like despicable me 4

[@zillauniverse7208]

@@motor4X4kombat I mean that’s just simply my opinion, plus I don’t even like the Fast and Furious movies 😂

[@SamtheBravesFan]

I think what happened is that the people that made the Tinkerbell movies obviously got the character because it wasn't the future crowd just out of college. Since those people were pretty much only taught how to be "activists", this is what we get: movies about their personal hangups and political soapboxes. And part of that is they have to either act like they're fixing an issue or say they're the "first" to do something. Otherwise they have no purpose. You saw kind of the same effect in sports: commentators were talking about "social issues" in the late 2000s or so because that's what they were learning in college, then it all just blew up in the 2010s and really annoyed people. It was successfully driven back to some degree in places.

[@hope-cat4894]

1:07 Isn't it already explained that because pixies are tiny, they can only have one emotion at a time, which why she has anger management problems? Did these people have their childhood imagination beaten out of them?

[@yumatsukumo1096]

Yeah it sucks that multiple franchises have been ruined but until creators and studios actually create entertainment that's for everyone, it's just going to keep going on and on

[@TheDoctorofOdoIsland]

I don't think Furiosa's critics are right, but I also don't think their criticism contributed much to the film's disappointing box office. Audiences are tired of stale IPs, they want new things. I DO think the film needed more of a hook than just "Mad Max but girl" because the film's marketing did it absolutely no favors in that regard. Like this is not the only post-apocalyptic action movie, there are a lot of those, if this one is supposed to stand out in that highly saturated genre it needs to demonstrate what is different about it because just having the main character scream their name in the trailer does not do that.

[@paws-h8p]

BTW, awsome adding that SF animated move clip in there. its a very underrated video game movie. also, Chunl li had a Higher health pool than many characters in USF4. while Akuma had one of the lowest health pools in order to compensate for his heavy damage. me is knowledgeable paws 😸😸

[@iceprism367]

The worst thing is the "strong female character" arcetype doesn't even feel strong most of the time because there is no actual struggle. It's just "I gotta do this thing" then she does it perfectly everytime, what a girlboss!!! Even if she does make a mistake it's forgiven because there's some reason why it was correct all along or it wasn't that bad because she's awesome.

[@ryuka-ruki6474]

People have a habit of overcorrecting problems. I think it's human nature. But when it comes to 'A or B is problematic so we should do C instead' it feels more like people are trying to cram their agendas down everyone else's throat to drive society to their views instead of actually trying to help anyone. I feel like saying something 'is a problem that needs removed' is just a shield to defend against backlash to make executive decisions you like but others won't, since we've seen these people pull the 'bigot' card on anyone that tries to point out the bologna they're pulling. We saw this with a lot of the stuff you've covered, if my memory serves. Anyone saying 'realism is why we must do this' don't seem to understand that 'suspension of disbelief' (suspension of disbelief is used as a synonym to realism, but it's more like a 'bullcrap tolerance' than that, since I can suspend disbelief for aliens assaulting everyone more than I can for the annoying love triangle where 2 of the 3 of them are cheaters, for instance, even though aliens are not realistic but humans being idiots like this happens IRL more often than it should) is the thing you really need to worry about. 'Tinkerbell glowing is unrealistic.' So is magic, mermaids, flying children, etc. What's the problem with Tinkerbell being sparkly? It's magic, it doesn't need to make sense, have some fun people. I think that's just an excuse to get rid of her because some exec didn't like her for whatever reason. I've been trying to avoid TV, AAA games, and movies in general, everything just feels like it's trying start a civil war between everyone about everything all of the time. I'll stick with my indie video games and old PS1. It's easier avoiding it that way. Which pretty much says how frustrating it is, I feel. I wish everyone would just get along instead of drawing attention to, and by extension, perpetuating, hatred.

[@justghost8713]

Here, I thought I was the only one who had been saying this.But where is the fun in entertainment these days😒

[@railroader2431]

I can’t fully speak on Furiosa, mainly because I’ve never seen any of the Mad Max movies. But I can agree that it probably deserved better than what it got handed. But taking away Tinker Bell for the crime of having an actual character flaw that isn’t just being “quirky” is stupid. And like you said in the video, that’s a consistent problem. Characters end up either too stoic, too quirky, or in some cases, a combination of both. This entire culture war has gotten tiring, because it really is just a net negative.

[@CLDJ227]

Overcompensating is definitetly the word to describe stuff like this. At this point any character in fiction is some how problem 😑. Also, I doubt they are doing it because they are genuinely concerned for what message young people are receiving and are more so doing it to avoid criticism or people making a big deal about it. I said the same thing about them taking out Sokka's misogany in the Avatar remake 🤔.

[@draketrevoroliver5293]

It's like a pendulum: push it too far in a direction, and it will come back as far in the other direction. I'm tired as well and just want to have fun watching a good movie.

[@sovietunion7643]

honestly i feel like all of western society is having a trauma reaction after ww2, so it had to go to the opposite extreme of the nazis, which was everything: is a social construct and you can't have any standards or boundries for anything because thats oppressive." honestly i'm kinda afraid we are going to have another reaction and the next generation is going to become very hardline conservative for a generation or two, which might push back the progress we've made back for a few decades.

[@The1andonlysharpshooter]

Disney is acting like a people pleaser to put it simply 😭

[@ms.pirate]

I honestly loved the pixie hollow series. However, removing tinker bell is an terrible Idea!