A She-Hulk Fangirl complains about She-Hulk: Attorney at Law for a third time.

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[@filmrebel]

"Just because they point out its lazy or bad doesn't mean it's not lazy or bad" absolutely spot on 👏

[@erikbihari3625]

I know, but people just don't care.

[@alexgremlin3680]

Also, I'm pretty sure that only works in pure comedies.

[@CrazyGamebino]

i said this under josiah rise's video on the finale comments from the creators/team but this show was a waste of time money and characters they could have proved doubters wrong but just said i want to make fun of the doubters not by making them eat their words and make them commend and like the show and praise the project no i want to blow raspberries at them as a petty gotcha

[@matityaloran9157]

@@alexgremlin3680 You’re right

[@thomashanson9173]

Just like Mr Enter said I know its stupid I know it's dumb but I'm gonna do it anyways

[@AL-ws5yi]

We women are not a monolith. We can like or dislike what we want. I don’t like to be told what I should like based on my gender or identity.

[@gilian2587]

I declare that you will like food. Primarily because you're a living organism who can't live without it; so... you might as well enjoy it. Life is too short to not make the most of it's nuances.

[@DatcleanMochaJo]

Say it loud A L. Let Marvel know women don't have THIS poor taste in media.

[@thejaded]

Surface level

[@tomraineofmagigor3499]

so you're a monolith of not being a monolith? s/

[@zzodysseuszz]

Neither do I as a man.

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

"How dare you compare the comic book show to the comic books that it's based on!" I will never understand this logic. And well wishes to M. I hope she gets better.

[@themadtitan7603]

I never got the logic that people shouldn't criticize an adaption for feeling like it doesn't stay true or incorporate the most interesting core elements of the source material correctly. If someone happened to enjoy that adaption independent of the source material, that's fine. But those people shouldn't also dedicate how someone who is a fan of the original source material should analyze an adaptation in relation to it imo.

[@EnclaveHater07]

@@themadtitan7603 Hello again John, we got to stop meeting like this

[@themadtitan7603]

@@EnclaveHater07 Sure.

[@TheRevan1337]

It's a coping mechanism for people who don't have a strong argument.

[@RM-cn8pw]

It’s clear no one here is comparing this show to the comics it’s based on, because they’re literally exactly the same.

[@Mactao100]

They really made an effort to "stick it to the trolls" by proofing the Trolls concerns in reality.

[@pyropulseIXXI]

There are no trolls. They made a bad show, and people called it bad. That isn't trolling. It is all valid criticism. They are so stupid they think making a bad show and people calling it out is trolls. And you are weird for agreeing with them by saying "the trolls were proofed."

[@darrengordon-hill]

No. Only a misogynistic troll would say this show isn't perfect.

[@jakenguyen1150]

It's just bad overall...there is no trolling here. It is not even about the gender, being a woman in a bad movie does not automatically shield you from criticism.

[@destroyerblackdragon]

*proving

[@afellowhuman8944]

I saw in a react channel where fans go defensive and call the critics trolls, I see they wanted to enjoy the show but calling others trolls makes them the troll themselves

[@jeremyknight9980]

Instead of Titania where she's supposed to act as a contrast to Jen or other Marvel characters being the main villains, it's internet trolls. People kept telling me "Jen is going through a character arc, what happened in EP 8 is what will make her finally learn from her mistakes and embrace what she is." Only for her to become a Karren and demand Kevin change the ending to get what she wanted. There was no character arc and she learned nothing. The fact that the actress thought people aren't open to female super heroes is the most ignorant thing I've heard in a while. She Hulk was pretty much Marvel's Wonder Woman.

[@CarpettinginMotel.townson]

At least Wonder Woman(2017) wasn’t a movie about bashing the opposite gender and the audience. I DID enjoy that movie(until the third act).

[@DanAvenell]

'Jen is going through a character arc, what happened in EP 8 is what will make her finally learn from her mistakes and embrace what she is." Only for her to become a Karren and demand Kevin change the ending to get what she wanted. There was no character arc and she learned nothing.' No, she accepted both personas. Watch the last scene again.

[@budgiecat9039]

And now you got director Kat Cairo saying she 'wanted to make She-Hulk a "sex-positive show for kids" - wtf drugs are these people on lol

[@budgiecat9039]

@@DanAvenell without any accountability pulling a Beyonde / One Above All type move erasing whatever served as a plot by ep 9 because she spoke to the manager like a true Karen

[@DanAvenell]

@@budgiecat9039 Have you read the comics? She was always puling that shit with John Byrne.

[@darrylferguson3622]

The writers were so eager to use She-Hulk as a vehicle for their fantasy of mocking men who spurned them, and insisted on the feminist vs society messaging, that the character's fans became a roadblock in their eyes from the moment they started writing the script.

[@erikbihari3625]

Spot on Man.

[@MegaSpideyman]

Which is a huge problem when you're meant to be making an entertaining show. I'm not sure how proud of this Stan Lee or John Byrne would be. Even Dan Slott's is much better, but he actually seemed happy enough with this, sadly.

[@hellacoorinna9995]

And a vehicle for their self-loathing ; see the episode where Jen realises that she's only at the law-firm to tick boxes and she's probably not qualified and that everyone else at the office knows this... but she also isn't willing to give it, and her swanky new office up.

[@candycover]

Well were you expecting anything else from a feminist show?

[@RM-cn8pw]

@@erikbihari3625 Literally couldn’t be less spot on.

[@Tigerkaya]

Loved the John Byrne era She-Hulk. It breaks my heart how the MCU trashed her character so effortlessly with no @#$& to give other than to display pure spite at the MCU fandom.

[@kervala]

Me too :(

[@MrPonytron]

I'm getting paid tomorrow, so, I hope the trade paperback of John Byrne She-Hulk is still at my local comic shop

[@kervala]

@@MrPonytron Hehe, I also purchase it, I love it and it's worth its price

[@ChiiLover99]

Wait wait wait. You’re telling me she got a device to not turn into She-Hulk JUST LIKE THAT when Banner has been trying to do that for YEARS??

[@jeremyknight9980]

Yeah, first there wasn't any inhibitors then the prison has them.

[@HateshWarkio]

@@jeremyknight9980 yeah, in this series Bruce is kinda slow dumbass who is behind times when it comes to these inhibitors

[@PeterParker-ff7ub]

yes

[@K05H]

Jen asked for one and it was too difficult for Bruce to figure out as his version was just a prototype. Then two episodes later they are creating them on demand for any Hulk that they need to imprison or restrict.

[@mohawkmeteor7189]

I don't think the prison has inhibitors. Emil turns into Abomination inside his cell. And later despite wearing the thing both of them hulk out as well. Pretty sure it just informs authorities when they change size, so they know they defied their parole order.

[@dio9344]

It is really sad that a lot of beloved female heroes these days just get the same "men harass/catcall/oppress me" stories.

[@longtsun8286]

Especially considering a hero is measured against the villain he or she faces. By giving She-Hulk such PATHETIC villains to fight against, the writers make her look pathetic as a direct consequence!

[@jeremyknight9980]

She Hulk: a 7 foot green giant who can jump for miles, is immune to bullets, is indestructible and has enhanced strength/speed. Her arch enemy: internet trolls who don't like her because she's a woman.

[@NostalgiaNerd777]

Yep it's practically turning into a modern day stereotype and cliche at this point

[@briancurtis6022]

And you've got to wonder about the actors who have to take these roles and deliver these lines in order to build their careers. So many 'opportunities' turn out to be millstones.

[@kaaluha]

DIOOOOO

[@Krendall2]

"She knew fans wouldn't be accepting of a female super-hero." I am sick and tired of hearing this. I was a toddler in the '80s, when focus-grouping started becoming all the rage, so I've heard that line all my life. I always like the female characters in the cartoons I watched. Cheetara, Penny Gadget, Teela, She-Ra, Jem (Yes, I enjoyed shows where a female was the lead hero.), etc. Outside of maybe a few moronic viewers who still had the old "girls have cooties" mentality, boys don't view girls as some kind of gross threat.

[@MS7000_]

She-Hulk truly deserved better , and I’m very disappointed that Tatiana Maslany turned about to be a real jerk to the fans. She-Hulk always felt to me like this great character that stood the test of time. They really could have this well compelling story about a character who was initially this shy bookish lawyer that was given these powers to save her life and now as She-Hulk she fights in and out of the court for men and woman alike. The creators ,actors and actresses in this show focused more on childish trolling then actually delivering a story that would have been this big thing. Fans LOVE she-hulk from the comics , it’s why she was so popular. She wasn’t this woman that was stuck in a sorority girl mindset like the SHAAL version. When will Hollywood learn the best way to win against the trolls is to not play. Many people thought Wonder Woman was gonna fail , that it was gonna be this big Anti-Men rant film but it proved them wrong by being ( if I dare say ) ONE OF THE BEST SUPERHERO FILMS OUT THERE. Wonder Woman proved haters wrong by being this kind , compelling and wonderful character that worked alongside men instead of putting them down. The writers and director understood the character , unlike they did with She-Hulk , they completely missed the point of She-Hulk as a character , unlike Bruce she liked to go the judicial route at times and when there were these bigger threats it’s when she hulked out. The only part of her they got right was the fact that instead of attacking Todd she would rather fight him in court , sure they added her promiscuity in the show but it was done so classless compared to the comics ( at times ) . They focused so much on trying to send a message to the people who were never gonna watch this show in the first palace that they screwed over the relationship they could have belt with the fans that see excited to see one of there favorite characters on tv. I’m telling you the only people that like this show are misandrist and MCU Stans. She-Hulk could have been the MCU’s morally grounded compass to guide characters in one way ( through Jen ) and another way ( through she-hulk )

[@loveunityandpeace]

That was an amazingly well typed argument and I agree with you. I chose not to watch she hulk and just listen to review after it was out and I am disappointed. Jen is a really cool character that cares, sympathizes, tries to do the right thing, and when she feels she should (not whenever she wants) she hulks out to save others. What I have seen from just clips and reviews of this, just depresses me. Cause it feels like the MCU needs another moral compass. Captain America in my opinion was a great moral compass in the MCU, with him gone someone needs to fill in the shoes, cause it feels like MCU is missing a soul.

[@draykohunter6805]

you said it, if they spent time actually making a good show and character for the fans instead of, like J said, attacking people who probably weren't going to watch it anyway or if they made it good would have nothing to say about it we wouldn't be where we are. I don't know why when you're in such a position why it would be a good idea to waste your time on making such an unprofessional joke.

[@madamefluffy4788]

Show wise, Jenn's promiscuity wouldn't be such a bad thing if it wasn't for the fact she'd bitch and moan about being catcalled/objectified by Men on a regular basis - playing the victim of the male gaze while actively hooking up with Men who so much as gave her even the slightest stroke to her ego. TV Jenn Walters is a walking/talking contradiction.

[@draykohunter6805]

@@madamefluffy4788 Exactly

[@TheProxy2]

Seeing more and more people telling me what it couldve been .. it just saddens me more and more. Makes me lose hope for marvel going forward.. but i hate to admit that they still have me enslaved to watch anything they put out because they are very very good with baits. But from now on i am not going to give them anymore of my money. Im going to steal whatever they put out just like how they stole my favorite characters

[@IPA300]

Jessica Gao is unironically (and unfortunately) a more successful version of Chris-Chan. Chris constantly fought the trolls in Sonichu just as Ms. Pickle Rick fights online reviewers in She-Hulk. It’s pathetic.

[@CMan-x7k]

Can't believe I didn't make that comparison before.

[@iambilly1134]

I thought I was the only one thinking that

[@ruquang89]

the finale had jen living the karen dream she won by demanding to talk to the manager and having others take responsibility for there percieved transgressions while she had no accountability

[@creatroyer2701]

She-Hulk: Attourney at Toxic Feminism and Bad Writing.

[@thetruej7872]

She Hulk in the cartoons and video games I've seen had better adaptions of her than the MCU

[@VDOTU5]

So true. Mostly written by men. Which is ironic since Marvel Studios was bent on making sure women write She-Hulk. Yet they mishandled her the most.

[@andrepaul3483]

FACTS. Also,She-Hulk in Hulk & The Agents of SMASH was voiced by the great Eliza Dushku. MASSIVE plus there already!

[@thetruej7872]

She Hulk in Marvel vs Capcom 3 > MCU She Hulk

[@mookiedt]

100% THIS

[@andrepaul3483]

@@thetruej7872 she was voiced by Hawkgirl in that. Again,MASSIVE PLUS

[@jeangentry6656]

The "It's Raining Men" part got a sincere chuckle out of me. 😁 I hope M is feeling better. Another great review as always. 👍💯

[@thefirstofthelastones8952]

She-Hulk in the Comics = A Mutated Superheroine that originally faced major rage issues brought on by her transformation and was predisposed toward violence but soon was able to get a grip of her self to the point where her temper was completely in her control. As a result of her exercise over her temper triggered powers, Jen has become very light-hearted, though she often hides behind a sarcastic demeanor as well and also tried for years to help Bruce get control of his temper too but, with his powers far more temperamental than hers, she wasn't able to do much more than help him delay his fits of rage. She also maintains a deep sense of responsibility to help those around her but does not view that as being a reason to impede her day-to-day activities and spends many parts of the day she is not at work or on patrol at the beach or getting spa treatments entirely as her She-Hulk alter-ego, to the point where she rarely feels any need to revert to her original human form. She-Hulk in the MCU: Don't get me started.

[@peacockqueen]

The bad guys could have done something like kidnap her mother to threaten her and then Jen would have learned about the responsibility that comes with powers and revealing your identity, but no, Jen can't suffer consequences for her bad deeds, she's the real baby here.

[@wildheartrazorfang6]

I think this show would've been better if they just committed to Jen being a confident comedic lawyer breaking the fourth wall, but if they wanted to make it mile a minute cameos and complaints with references and trolls, this could've worked really well as a Gwenpool show. Gwenpool is a character that's always aware of the meta and media around comics. She actively fears her series being canceled and goes to ridiculous lengths to stay relevant. They could use these toxic fans as a way to reflect on her self-worth, with her being afraid of ruining her chance in the spotlight. Rather than just having Jen be mad and not do anything about these guys other than say ew, Gwen would put up a facade to the camera and the fans, but this says something about her character. It spares the budget of the CGI, it spares the lack of legal knowlegde, and it's a newer character that might face more hatred than She-Hulk. She-Hulk is normally a great character, there are snippets of good ideas in the show, but the two simply don't mix. As She-Hulk said herself, this isn't a reluctant super-hero story. She's just getting screwed over. If you liked the show, that's great. I just like scripting and I like obscure characters, so I thought to share a bit of how my mind works. Either way, I hope you have a good day, cuz your opinions are valid.

[@dio9344]

Damn! I actually forgot about Gwenpool and yeah, when you think about it, she is actually perfect replacement for She-hulk if they want to do meta humor and stuff. No need to have knowledge about complicated stuff like courtroom scenes and cameos/references won't seem out of place. It is also a more relevant character if they want someone that the audience could connect to because she is a comic book fan. Maybe they can change it to a MCU fan so she can hop between marvel movies/tv shows instead of comics.

[@wildheartrazorfang6]

Exactly, and they could still use the show as a talking point to take on toxic fandoms

[@rudytrujillo4197]

This is my first time hearing about Gwenpool but holy shit I would pay money for a series like that

[@wildheartrazorfang6]

I would highly recommend looking into her. She started as a variant cover design for when Gwen Stacy first became Spider-Gwen, but the community loved the design so much, she became an official character and the meta nature of her stories is meant to reflect that since she's a comic book fan transported into the world of comics.

[@МолчаливыйКлинок]

I just imagined how in the 3rd act, Gwen would realize that people don't care about trolling the trolls and instead want fresh adaptations of their favourite comic books. So she says "Oh', quickly reads an issue of her own comic book series, and then the last 3 episodes of the show are almost 1 to 1 story from her comic book.

[@MarzOnline92]

Disney's marketing tactic for this is apparently called "Fan-Baiting". The channel "Midnight's Edge" goes into depth about it on his channel. Basically, it's to cause artificial controversy to garner good media attention from shill sites and bad attention from fans. either way they get attention without having to put in any effort from the creators to make something actually worth watching. And when people call them out on it, they take the most over-the-top comments and blanket the whole fan base as racist, misogynistic, etc. as a cover for their crap decisions. It works and it doesn't work but most media companies utilize this strategy nowadays.

[@jaggin7561]

Fantagonism is another term used.

[@MarzOnline92]

@@jaggin7561 ooooo has a nice ring to it.

[@SapphireKnight675]

problem tho, people become apathetic, ignore it, and now they're no word of mouth, even the normies will start avoiding them, like seriously, the fact they have to raise Theme Park prices says something

[@edwardrichtofen9112]

@@jaggin7561 that’s a nice word you created, mind if we use it?

[@BareBandSubscription]

Yeah, this has been an ongoing strategy for awhile now, at least as far back as the Ghostbusters reboot from a few years back that now everyone has forgotten about. RedLetterMedia did an incredible video exposing Sony’s methods of “fan-baiting” with that movie at the time. Highly recommend people check that out if they haven’t.

[@slicerneons3300]

They really do not deserve a season 2. She Hulk was done very dirty.

[@speedylewder120]

If They do get one they need to fire the creator and writers and actually making something good

[@ninjanibba4259]

@@speedylewder120 Fat chance

[@jaggin7561]

Im pretty sure in a regular run business, She-Hulk would never show up again in the MCU. Brand damaging has definitely happened here especially the fact the crew has mocked the fans of the MCU disrespecting the formula and everything.

[@gilian2587]

Wheel of Time was done dirty too. Welcome to the club.

[@megaultradamn]

The fact that they can speak badly about their fans AND get a season 2 makes me think things will only get worse. They think they don't have to be of good quality, cause they have bots manipulating their viewership numbers.

[@pyropulseIXXI]

They didn't troll any trolls, and they didn't predict what they'd say. They literally made a terrible show, and people said "This is terrible," and then they went 'We are geniuses for predicting people would call our show terrible for making a terrible show!" It isn't trolls saying the show is bad; it is trolls saying the show is good; the only trolls are the writers themselves, and they are pathetic

[@Stedman75]

Slight derailment but... Is M okay? Don't see them much

[@Invidente7]

She's taking a sabbatical.

[@ThatSoulsGirl]

They literally broke internet rule #1: DON'T FEED THE TROLLS.

[@lawrencericho3635]

They also broke the rule of FEED YOUR FLOCK AND TARGET AUDIENCE

[@indominuswrex9465]

As a woman and a comic fan, the best thing about this show is that it's over.

[@sandy34740]

You know, now that I think about it, Jessica Gao and the other writers probably didn't get to sit at the cool kids table in high school and never got over it despite the screeching about therapy. Jen is written like she's a teenager. Not a competent, confident, former D.A. with superpowers. It is going to suck so much when these narcissistic freaks get their mits on the X-Men.

[@gilian2587]

Why? You don't have to watch it. Get a book and feel the zen of being detached from the twitter cult who currently has an iron grip on popular culture. Nerds began set apart from the mainstream. Perhaps that time has come again.

[@destinyhntr]

@@gilian2587 Sadly a lot of books have the same woke stuff piled in. There are gems free of that, but it becoming far less common

[@gilian2587]

@@destinyhntr That may be true of what gets published in this epoch. Many epochs have existed. This too shall pass. Our snapshot in history is unlikely to maintain for the future. One useful property of these ideologies is that they are quite self-destructive. Money spent advocating these ideologies is not self-perpetuating. In fact; they are so self destructive that not even the largest, most corpulent corporations can survive advocating for them for long. The next 5-10 years could get interesting; but this too shall pass.

[@kingbash6466]

The problem with the 4th wall breaking is that instead of being a novel way to write both the plot and comedy throughout the show, it's mostly used to self-deprecate itself and shield any criticism because they're "self-aware." Not to mention that it pretty much only involved Jen talk in front of the camera for most of show. It's not until the finale where they actually put effort into "breaking" that 4th wall, and even then the novelty is ruined because it practically disregards any storyline being built up.

[@daviemeister3355]

Bro, I think you were just able to put into words, exactly how I felt about the show. This is EXACTLY how I felt, especially about the finale. Its a great start that they have started pulling from the comics more and more. However, they have run into another problem: just because something IS from the comics, doesn’t necessarily mean it doesn’t need a bit of rework, build-up, or even great writing. You can insert anything from the comics and just say, “HERE! You got what you wanted. Straight from the comics. Are you proud of me?” I have seen too many people defending the finale saying the exact same thing. They don’t seem to consider that even if it is from the comics, if it is done in such an awkward and jarring way that the writing, build-up and rework isn’t great, then it will completely fall flat regardless of IF it is from the comics or not. That’s what made early marvel great. They for example, kept the core of who iron man is, but they improved on his character and made him much more human. They made the writing make sense and there was good build-up and a well thought out re-work to his character. Especially since apparently, iron man wasn’t as popular as he was as a comics character before his first live action debut- according to some comic book readers. THAT is how to adapt from the comics because there will exist times where even the comics doesn’t always get everything right. This is where great writing, well-thought out reworks, and creative and excellent build-ups from the writers is required.

[@budgiecat9039]

And Ep 9 isnt even a 4th wall break because obviously that"real world" is still not the "real world". What that is, is a technique called "lampshading". Already seeing KZbinrs NewRockstars coming up with a wild theory that this is all Kang's doing and he created that alt universe world Jen jumped into as well as creating Kevin 🤣

[@RoseRamblesYT]

You made a lot of great points, particularly the fact that, yeah, Jen is quite passive in her own life and story in the show. I've never read the comics, so I gotta say that the show did not endear me to Jen or She-Hulk (although they felt like the same character, little to no distinguishability). The way both came across, to me, wasn't particularly likable. Ah, the Daredevil of it all. That too didn't work for me mainly because since I ended up not really liking Jen, thus I did not care about her and Matt (potentially) being a thing. In my mind it left me thinking, "You deserve better, Matt."

[@starlimitz2]

You are absolutely right in everything you just said. This TV show was garbage and they think they're really clever with their... ahem... commentary on "toxic fans". No, those are the fans that you could have impressed and gotten money from. Sorry you missed the bus. I hope this show gets cancelled. MJ, I hope your show goes places. You do good work.

[@tacticianAlexandra]

I have to wonder what their story pitch was to get 25 million per episode if I heard the budget for this correctly. Which this ending just seems like it would be bad story telling in a majority of cases. For it lets her rewrite reality, so it benefits her. This sound like a ending that would only work over a much larger story that had something to do with a super natural being like a demon. Slowly ruining her life, slaying her friends and making it a living nightmare. Only to then restore everything back to the way it was before after defeating the demon, due to an angel or something like the dragon balls that will grant them one wish for their heroic deeds. Not whatever the heck this was, given even the show has no idea if this was meant to be poor writing or comedy.

[@NeahMinto88]

@@tacticianAlexandra well we do know kevin all most canceled the show kver a computer having a baseball cap on to make them sorta look like kevin When kevin denied it for the episode the head of the show said she would walk kevin immediately said fine bye if it wasn't for a friend of the show who is writer the show would have ended but the interjected and said instead of a physical baseball cap have it be a digital baseball cap.

[@briancurtis6022]

"We don't want those fans! You fans suck!" Six weeks later: "Waahh, why don't we have any fans? You fans suck!"

[@MirandaSinistra]

Even amateur writers understand that if they're lacking in knowledge of a subject they want to add to the story they have to do research so their writing doesn't sound stupid. These writers were given the chance of a lifetime and they gave so few fucks they didn't even bother to ask a lawyer for help with the legalese.

[@tacticianAlexandra]

republic commando, one of the extras in that game talks about going up to military special forces and asking them how would a commando squad act. Then using that in the game. Which that was back when star wars was owned by Lucas. If they could do that, there is no reason why these so called professionals couldn't do it. More so when i'm sure disney has many lawyers on the pay roll already or could easily hire one with their 25 million dollars per episode budget.

[@draykohunter6805]

​@@tacticianAlexandra But that would be smart 🙃

[@rootfish2671]

They turned She-Hulk from a strong, courageous, ethical superheroine into a whiny, petty, victim playing, self hating woman. Ironically in their effort to make her a strong independent woman they made her into the opposite, a childish woman who just gives up or throws temper tantrums when things don't go her way, making her a self pitying weak character.

[@vermis8344]

A reflection of most women in the public eye, like those involved in this show, who feel the need to verbally assert that they're 'strong'. Ironically breaking the writing rule: show, don't tell.

[@deeesher]

Thank you so much for this review! I'm glad to hear it's not just me that thought this. I'm constantly being told, "The show wasn't made for you!" Just to put things in perspective, Ms Marvel was most definitely not made for me, but I watched it anyway, and thought it was kinda good! The writing and characters were decent, and it ended a bit Home Alone-ish for my taste, but otherwise I thought it was a pretty decent series. She-Hulk on the other hand... 🤦‍♂️ I've been a fan since I was a kid so yeah... at one point it was actually made for me. The writing in this series was very inconsistent and sometimes even cringy. But there were maybe 3 episodes that I thought were okay, if I'm being kind. It's just sad they took such an amazing character and decided to troll people that really weren't trolling this character. We just hate lazy and stupid writing.

[@Actionfan19]

Wreaking crew being my favorite Earth based Thor villains I agree they were grossly underused. Also this shows' version of Titania makes me hate Jamila Jamil by proxy and I hate it when shows or movies do that. I haven't been that disappointed with an MCU finale since Wandavision and Falcon and winter solder.

[@eternallyconfusedneveraware]

"There's so much resistance for a woman to exist in a superhero space." She has a point, just look at how every manbaby cried over the existence of Wonder Woman and Black Widow. You can practically count all the people who got offended on a single hand. The worst part about this, is they will refuse to accept their show sucked and just said "The backlash is just manbaby trolls who got mad they got trolled for once." after ruining what fans loved in the first place.

[@DuneStone6816]

People didn't like Captain Marvel, and that cancels out every female hero who's ever been popular.

[@briancurtis6022]

Once you have a single excuse, it becomes a default response to every possible criticism. That way you don't ever have to admit your mistakes or try to improve! And what could be a better heroic message than that?

[@xxo5294]

Right like we love black widow (not the movie lawd) and we love WANDAAAA

[@destinyhntr]

@@DuneStone6816 Yup. Johansen was one of the highest paid actresses because we all hated her. Makes sense.

[@alpha6games751]

This is incorrect. People didn’t like marvel because Larson was a terrible actress and the movie was flat. Second she isn’t a likable person in real life either and that didn’t help her case. 3rd the other avenger actors didn’t like her or working with her. The black widow thing is just false.

[@tedscheett9420]

People who do not care about characters, stories or their audience should not be in the business. There are fundamental ways that you handle and adapt characters and these writers fail to understand that. But they didn't just do that. It's like it follows that whole "the book is better than the movie" thing you heard from either your literature teacher or nerds who liked books in high school, but dialed up to 11. Not everything has to be a cannon aimed at the audience. Not everything has to be painted with a wide brush. Because by doing that you ostracize the people who want to be introduced to it or know and love the character.

[@mikeghanley]

On point. As usual. This is like the mean girls burn book was turned into a TV show. Remember all those people who wronged us in school? Yeah let’s make a show where we can just take cheap shots at them through boring stereotypes.

[@jackthenarrator4735]

"She-Hulk doesn't even go here!!"

[@twindrill2852]

I miss when meta humor was innocently playing with the medium instead of taking potshots at every type of group out there.

[@duncanharrell5009]

Yup. Plus this wasn’t even Meta really. Like someone said in an earlier video, have her get annoyed a fight is dragging out, then she pulls up the TV controls and skips ahead. She gets tired of a cliche villain tirade, mutes it, and perhaps gets done over not realizing he or she said some Pre Asskicking Oneliner, and gets a free shot in since she didn’t hear him/her.

[@VDOTU5]

You're a muhsawjuhnyst for wanting better for a female character. Just accept what has been given without question, no matter how discombobulated, especially since most of the writers are womenz! You meesahjonust! Grrr Argh!

[@b0nez89]

Show was definitely a let down. I said it on another video: they made the "trolls" the villain of the show pretty much making fun of "incels/men" but turn a blind eye to the majority of woman who also hated the show

[@indominuswrex9465]

And we did, in fact, hate it

[@TaoScribble]

I'm beyond tired of the constant excuse that the fans are just being "man-babies". Not only are they disregarding all criticism, they're disregarding _women._ Also, if you're going to constantly put all of your "fans" under that same umbrella: 1) They aren't your fans. 2) Why are you working with an IP that apparently only appeals to the people you despise? It's not like you're in poverty and living paycheck-to-paycheck; *_you have options._*

[@Kragar01]

Does no one see or realise what the writers have done with the finale, what they have created here? They had She-Hulk break the fourth wall, go to Marvel and “Demand to speak to the manager”

[@logans.butler285]

Tbh breaking the fourth wall ruined the whole MCU. If characters are now aware that they are just in a written movie or a TV show for mere entertainment takes away the whole excitement for events like Endgame or No Way Home. It immediately turns it all off. Deadpool could break the fourth wall finely because his movies were meant to be parodic in nature, but you can't mix that up with a saga that already has its genre well-defined, serious story. This is literally like turning season 3 of The Mandalorian into a musical, or adding Dora the Explorer to The Walking Dead. Whosever idea was to break the fourth wall in She-Hulk must be fired, they destroyed the continuity, ruined my favorite hero Daredevil, and wasted the opportunity to make a more interesting plot involving Hulk's family or his relationship with the Abomination. These people should come out and apologize for having cancelled the good shows (Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Punisher) to make space for this garbage instead. She Hulu did indeed deserve better.

[@ninjanibba4259]

Plus the difference between her and Deadpool is that he makes 4th wall JOKES, she makes 4th wall META, he didn't even do that changing everything till the end of the movie...the CREDITS, where that can be interpretation but doesn't effect the movie itself This show just covered up their own crap and it still stunk

[@drockwell1583]

I like your trying to be a optimistic fan but fact is the people who made this show had intention to make it a faithful adaptation. They expose themselves from the get-go with pushing that BS lie “men hate female heroes”. This is not She-hulk just another hateful fail upward project.

[@TheKillerman3333]

"fans would not be very accepting of female superheroes" hahahahahaha sorry what!? We have for decades now had female superheroes like buffy, totally spies, wonderwoman and others in the comics, animation and movies that are female superheroes and are so widely accepted that they are basicly household names. We have had multiple females that are witches which received so little backlash that the logic at this rate seems extremely stupid. Clearly she hasn't ever been to a comicon and sees herself as a victim in all things.

[@venusstar2963]

I've honestly wanted to see White Tiger on the big screen for a while because I love her character as she was portrayed in the Ultimate Spiderman Animated Series. With who's in charge right now? I think I'm good to hold off until THEY become more accepting of female superheroes.

[@TheKillerman3333]

@@venusstar2963 We had female heros in Deadpool and wolverine. No you know what, she isn't a superhero but give me Waller. She is the only person that can reasonably make batman back down. Remember when Bayonetta came out? Amazing. Remember when Gwen Stacy was a Spider-Man? Perfect. What I am getting at is this. "No one cares if you are male or female in a movie. It has always been about the story and the writing" There should be backlash when they made Waller thin. She never needed to be changed. She-hulk was watched because of the bad writing, and even in the show, as apart of the fourth wall breaks they admit the writing was bad. They even admit "we are going to retcon this and make the entire thing a dream sequence" They knew they would receive backlash for the poor writing, even adding it to the show. They purposely gave themselves plausible deniability to be terrible at making content that was good. They used gender to excuse what they already knew was bad. They even admitted it.

[@stevensteviepryde5888]

I was really looking forward to Hulk and Abomination fighting once again in the MCU, but good God it was done in the worst way possible. Not going to lie, stuff like this is actually what fuels my inspirations of writing. I want to try to focus on ideas to flesh out my favorite characters in ways I think would be interesting instead just using them to push a political agenda unless it serves the plot and has nuance. For example seeing Skaar in this bland boring design it inspired me to come up with the grunge teen idea because it could lead to his iconic tattoos and long hair look.

[@draykohunter6805]

And that's the core of fanfic/comics, theories, and rewrites I love, how clearly the admiration bleeds from the page of a dedicated fan making something that still feels like the characters. This ain't it chief

[@stevensteviepryde5888]

@@draykohunter6805 yeah the big problem with stories like She-Hulk was that they make the lesson the top priority to the point where they'd sacrifice consistency and integrity to push the point across. This show could have been a great show about a great character instead of turning this into a big political commentary.

[@connorcampbell-bisson8721]

God, I hated what they did with Abomination in this. Don't get me wrong, it was a bit funny at the start when I was pretty sure he was just putting on airs to get his parole but for him to actually be that... Don't have words for it. Because I remember seeing him in Shang Chi and thinking "Honestly, yeah, this version of Emil would probably be pretty affable so long as he gets a good fight every now and then." and thought that was the angle they were going with. I mean even him being reformed and getting into a fight with Bruce due to a misunderstanding could work because then you can have him have that mental moment of "wait a moment, I can get a good rematch with THE HULK right now." and leaning into the misunderstanding to satisfy his blood-knightness.

[@Salamander128]

"Just because they point out its lazy or bad doesn't mean it's not lazy or bad" I've been trying to tell people this for a while now

[@freebiehughes9615]

They need writers who have read and actually like the source material! Also, Marvel's need to try different genres, while laudable, is becoming problematic. The tone is so inconsistent within the MCU now! Characters are doing complete 180 degree turns from one property to the next! K.E.V.I.N ( 🤮 )has a lot to fix in phase 5!

[@StealthGamer37]

1:35 The worst part about this is that it acts like it’s the first to do this. Ignoring the beloved original She-Hulk comics themselves, there are still so many beloved female superheroes on and off the silver screen. As far as main characters in tv and movies, there’s Jessica Jones, Wonder Woman, and Harley Quinn (even though she’s not a super”hero” in the Suicide Squad). Talking deuteragonists, we have Black Widow (before her own movie), Scarlet Witch, Domino, Spider-Gwen, Gamora, Wasp, Many of the CW superhero women (though this one tends to have more mixed reception), and Zatanna. That’s all without even touching on the vast ocean of beloved female superheroes in the annuls of comic history. Hell, Carol Danvers is awesome in the comics, touching on a very interesting and engaging subject matter in Civil War 2 where she actually ends up being a villain. Her character and ideals are nigh-on solely responsible for that comic being my favorite storyline I’ve read. People love heroes of all genders, ethnicities, identities, and sexualities. Sure, you get your sexist, racist, homophobic, transphobic trolls throughout the mediaspace, but they are simply the loudest, dumbest minority when it comes to consumers. She-Hulk is not some revolutionary step for women, it is - and only is - a monumental lesson in how not to plan, format, write, and execute a story.

[@ggwhite5215]

The show was made to insult fans, not entertain them.

[@ActivelyVacant]

It's plain sad that these people were given a comic property that people were looking forwards to, and they chose to portray it with the sole premise that everybody wanted to hate it.

[@dbzenthusiast8152]

As a certain woman once said “ expect disappointment and you will never be disappointed “. That’s pretty much what I kept in mind throughout most, if not all of phase 4. And my expectations were met.

[@PeterParker-ff7ub]

The Looney Tunes, Animaniacs, and Deadpool do fourth wall breaking in a fun way but even that gets old if it is done too much

[@h3II0MN123]

The writers think they are playing 5D chess and outsmarting the viewers. Most recent interview with Jessica Gao revealed that the show was made to combat the negative reviews it knows it will be getting. The whole reasoning is baffling and it reminds me of the meme where a cyclist puts a bar in his wheel causing him to fall.

[@AlsoApey]

Jessica Gao was definitely the antagonist of She-Hulk

[@Demolitiondude]

Someone should have been fired.

[@Invidente7]

Yes it did, but current Disney can only gives a live action Shrek remake ... Oh wait, was that supposed to be Skaar?

[@Raximus3000]

...Even Shrek looks better. This wannabe Skaar had A MANBUN!!! Conan + Hulk = Skaar Where did this come from?

[@HighHeelKnight]

She-Hulk has the power to literally move mountains, and the showrunners thought a cabal of pathetic manbaby trolls should be her ultimate nemesis. 🤦‍♂ If Marvel was dead set on using internet incells as antagonists, then I can think of two ways that concept would have worked better. 1 = Save the idea for Ms Marvel season two. Think about it. Ms Marvel is a girl, a minority, a Muslim, comes from a recent immigrant family, and takes her name from a hero that is already problematic with manbabies: Captain Marvel. Ms Marvel is also part of the social media generation, often being highlighted in the first season. In the first season, social media was positive about Ms Marvel. Let's have Kamala screw up during the second season, which causes a social media backlash. We can see how online trolling affects not only Kamala, but also the friends and family that are aware of her secret identity. The conflict could also keep the program more grounded and "street level", instead of Ms Marvel having to save the world from another dimension or an alien invasion or whatever The Clandestine were supposed to be. 2 = Reveal that Titania was actually Hulk King instead of Todd. I think the showrunners wanted to swerve the audience in the final episode. However, they were so focus on the K.E.V.I.N. punchline that they ignored their setup. It makes no sense to have Jen Walters complain about the villain getting the same powers as the hero if the entire season has been leading up to a bad guy getting her blood. That plot thread started from the very first episode, and was also comedically referenced with that wannabe vampire suggested that people might be after Jen's blood. I also hated how utterly pathetic Titania was as an antagonist. Not only did Jen knockout Titainia with one punch in her first ever fight, but their wedding fight went for barely ten seconds. At the very end, Titania was just live streaming Todd's arrest? WHAT!? A good swerve would have been if Todd was just the guy that built the Intelligencia website but wasn't actually a troll. Todd genuinely likes She-Hulk, and he argues against the Intelligencia members immature nonsense. In other words, I would have just made Todd an awkward creepy guy but not a jealous incell. I can personally attest that very often an awkward guy is just an awkward guy. Money can't buy swagger. Believe me. Todd was contacted by Hulk King. He'd says something like, "Somebody paid me a bunch of money to build a website for these morons. I don't need the money of course, but if someone is going pay me $50k for something I could make in afternoon, then I'm not going to turn him down. Hulk King invited me to the party, and asked if I would introduce the guest speaker." Eventually, after Jen stumbles into the Intelligencia confrence, Titania walks into the scene (or Kool-Aid Man's into the scene). Titania has the synthesized version of Jen's blood. She says, "I told you that this wasn't over Jen. Your power is finally going to someone that actually wants them, to someone that wants to do more than one-up her high school friends or twerking with celebrities in her office." As the Intelligencia men look on puzzled, Titania says, "You morons were so easily to manipulate. It takes marketing talent to convince teenagers to buy 12 different colors of the same body cream, but you manbabies were like shooting fish in a barrel. Because behind every pathetic lonely insecure man is a brilliant and gorgeous woman that knows how to use him for all he's worth." When Titania injects herself, she turns brownish green and she goes berserk, but her body parts are cartoonishly disproportionate. Abomination says, "Gamma blood affects each person differently. Do you think the government really wanted their super soldiers looking like me?" Titania-Hulk gets bigger and bigger and going on a rampage. Then we have Bruce Banner drop in, and the chaos leads to Jen stopping the episode and visiting Marvel Studios, complaining about excessive spectacle. I think this swerve is better because A= It doesn't toss away the blood theft plot, and the Hulk King isn't someone that was never a challenge for Jen. C= It solidifies Titania as the long-term antagonist, instead of She-Hulk's punching bag, a Lex Luger instead of Crazy Quilt. C = It implies that not just any person can become a carbon copy Hulk (which would also setup the future Red Hulk, Red She-Hulk, Amedeus Cho, etc.) D = It shows that just because a guy comes off creepy, it doesn't mean he is actually a creep. This franchise is based off comic books. How many comic book readers - girls and boys, men and women - are less like Regina George and Danny Zuko and more like Velma Dinkley and McLovin? E = It is a more effective way of feeding real world internet trolls. The series knew it could utilize trolling in the real world to its advantage just as Titania utilized Intelligencia to her advantage. Okay. That's my fantasy fiction. Thank you for reading. PS: I loved the "It's Raining Men" reference for Daredevil in your presentation, Ms J. 😆👏👏👏

[@CarpettinginMotel.townson]

The actress for She-Hulk didn’t realize she made vapid criticism over vapid criticism of her character? 😢

[@Aggronok]

Head writer Jessica Gao literally admitted to the character being a self insert of herself saying that the end sequence with Kevin was supposed to be much longer with "her avatar" talking for almost 10 minutes about the concern for online trolls. They never wanted to make a character true to the comics, it really was just a multi-million dollar coping session for the writers.

[@mkocel]

In the immortal words of Deadpool: "thats just lazy writing"

[@peterburman5193]

The sheer hatred the she hulk writers have for anyone who isn't a fan of the show because it's not their cup of tea literally destroyed the show. Insulting large segments of your potential audience is pretty much suicide. That's why the comic book industry is on life support. Turns out appeasing a vocal minority isn't good for business.

[@MarquoVitali]

its funny how you think you're the majority

[@peterburman5193]

@@MarquoVitali well considering the majority of people didn't like the show, I'd say my claim was pretty fair.

[@MarquoVitali]

@@peterburman5193 just because you're loud doesn't mean you're the majority

[@ARStudios2000]

@@MarquoVitali and your point?

[@timtam3730]

This show left in my such a bad mood that I had to watch Legally Blonde to get my spirits back up.

[@rob_patrick1]

It's so sad that Jessica Gao and her team used Shulk as a trojan horse for their own insecurities and political agenda, and can't believe Disney is stretching Feiege so much he approved this shit show that's literally built to troll the fans.. Wow.

[@ItsAVolcano]

Classic comic Jen would 100% literally rip through the pages to avoid the idiocy of that Titania trademark lawsuit, likely while mentioning how dumb such a plot would have been.

[@deanthomas7003]

This show was such a disappointment. Thanks for the review J.

[@KelShu]

I was hoping that the final villain would be someone like General Ross, The Leader, or literally any actual Hulk connected villain that would make the ending somewhat enjoyable; it's my own fault for clinging on to hope

[@cartoonking1789]

It’s heartbreaking when people in charge of a series don’t actually care about it

[@Groomsman]

The show sucks. And sadly, the only shocking thing that could happen is if we hear that there’s no season 2 because you can only fail upwards in this day and age

[@ZackTheThunderking]

this show sucks, Jen has been portrayed poorly and is the worse, I'm scared that they are going to mess up daredevil in his show, the fourth wall gag was bad and I hope deadpool 3 makes fun of she-hulk

[@Raximus3000]

Don't bet on it unless they give up on her. These movies/series are just that bad.

[@scooobydoo27]

The show wasn't meant to be a representation of the comic on screen. The director and writer said as much. According to the writer, they "cherry picked" simple stories and characters, but ultimately, it meant to be "updated for the modern era". In other words, She-Hulk was always meant to be the Ally McBeal story of the MCU. It looks at life from a modern woman's point of view (Jen Walters), which includes making fun of men that don't share her point of view. It makes a little bit of fun of her choices (very little), but directs most of humor at men without girlfriends, you know, the ones that like to hang out at comic book stores talking about D&D, the latest superhero movies, and looking for key comics to buy (e.g. Savage She-Hulk 1). They threw in some "breaking the 4th wall" in the last episode, but other than that, it was just Jen occasionally talking to herself. The show was not about She-Hulk, it was about Jen. I fully admit the possibility that a show can be well-written and not have me as the audience. It's a big world. It's a big MCU. However, here are the big problems with the show. - She-Hulk isn't at all sexy. We're told that she is, but she's never shown that way. The MCU can show Thor's butt cheeks and Jen has Captain America's butt on her lock screen, but She-Hulk was almost always shown in a business suit. Of course, that makes sense. This is show for women, not men, after all. - She-Hulk, the character isn't funny. She tries to be, but she's not, because while Tatiana was a good choice for the character of Jen, she was a poor choice for She-Hulk in the way that Ryan Reynolds is with Deadpool. Frankly, someone with more natural humor (e.g. Anna Kendrick) would have been a better choice for She-Hulk than Tatiana. There is some humor in the show, but it comes from other characters (e.g. "Madisynn with 2 'n's and 1 'y', but it's not where you think"). - For a romcom, it didn't have any romance. Yes, she had sex with 3 guys, but none of those interactions were romantic, it was "here's a little bit of dialog, then a montage, then waking up in the morning afterwards". - They actually decided to make the She-Hulk comic book audience the villains, not in a "hey, we love you, so let's all laugh together way", but in a "hey, you're a bunch of toxic a-holes and we feel obliged to take you down a notch" kind of way. Imagine if Mountain Dew ran ads that said "Pepsi drinkers are just yell at the cloud boomers who should be ignored". - If the 4th wall is going to come down, at least give us something interesting, not nothing. Seriously, what if a band got up on stage and said "we've got something really alternative for you tonight: silence" and then just stood there? - Surprises are supposed to wet the appetite, not do the exact opposite. Work War Hulk was a monumental story arc with Hulk finding real purpose in who he is, but then, tragically losing it all. The She-Hulk ending makes me now question whether there will be a World War Hulk and, if there is, does Marvel plan on having Taika Waititi direct it as a comedy? The show was a mess.

[@deathmetalbard]

I love that article said it taught the trolls a lesson. What lesson did they learn? That they were utterly right and you used a well known comic book character to basically fulfill the derangement in your head? That you wrote a complex character into a wine aunt who smells her farts like her writers? Seriously who needs to be taught a lesson. It's sure as hell not me.

[@christophertaylor9100]

That really is the key: the character DID deserve better. The premise of the show was solid and could have been great: a comedy with She Hulk just facing what life is like in the Marvel Universe for the regular people. OK great, inspired by Byrne's brilliant run on the character, wonderful. But instead we got... this :( What a disappointment for all the many fans of the character.

[@cmc5394oparva]

The problem is that the people making the comics and movies now aren't fans of the material, they're anti-fans. And because they're political marxists, their only creative mode is to tear down anything that doesn't fit their ideological worldview. The John Byrne She-Hulk was designed specifically to appeal to adolescent and early 20s males; writing for a character like that for these people would be like asking JK Rowling to do a remake of GK Chesterton's novels. The sensibility is completely foreign to them and the skill level just isn't there.

[@MaverickhunterXZero]

This show was never going to be good. I stopped giving Marvel writers the benefit of the doubt when they have become so backhanded and snide. I believe they did it intentional, given the showrunners own words. "We knew the reactions we were going to get" So then why did you do it? Because they didn't care and this was all an ego-trip. The saddest thing about this whole show, is the big villain that Jen needed to face; Had already won before the battle started with the showrunner's actions.

[@mrcead]

The showrunner is the true villain. A villain wants to make the world hurt because it made them hurt. I liked the show for what it was and ignored the obvious callouts because can't be more honest than telling ppl how you feel but hearing the why of the season finale, it just turned me off. Can't let trolls run your life on and off social media and you can't pre-avenge criticisms that never materialise cuz it makes you look anxious and apprehensive - aka, not confident and in control

[@vasglorious]

It was going to be bad obviously, given how the MCU has been lately.

[@AscendantStoic]

This wasn't an adaptation of She-Hulk, it's an assassination.

[@duhhangryboyz]

All your points are great. It's too bad that marvel will not listen to female fans like yourself & make a show that you talk about a reality. They just think we are complaining but we want to see these comic books come to life.

[@michaeltsmith7349]

I feel for the ladies that have to guts and hard wark to cosplay she hulk now they have to bear the brunt the hate this shit show has garnered

[@DuneStone6816]

"Haven't they ever heard of don't feed the trolls?" I often wonder this myself. It feels like we used to have a common wisdom on how to navigate the internet, but now certain circles have determined to rebel against every one of those guidelines.

[@inadisguise9824]

The thing I noticed about this show was that it could not seem to figure what it was and who it was for. It was written so badly that you could not tell if this was a Marvel superhero comedy femiist show ment to empower women or a SNL skit that fell flat trying to make fun of feminist. They admitted did not know She-hulk or how to write trial lawyer show, and it shows. They admit that they purposely wrote the show to troll marvel fans about their bad writing before the show was shown by knowing what they would say about it being bad, when if the wrote a decent show there be no criticism. Sort made their self fulfilling prophecy come true by purposely writing a bad show that seemed nothing more than a complaining therapy section by the writers which included a self insert of themselves playing themselves in the show. They set out with the idea to fail for an inside joke that was not funny.

[@VerdantRange]

I wish this show was better. From what I've heard is that a lot of the issues with the writing comes from the writers previously working on Rick & Morty. I haven't watched R&M for years, feeling their stuff has gone downhill, so they were probably not the best pick for the writers of this. Daredevil felt really off to me. It just didn't feel nearly anything from the Daredevil from the Netflix series Also, who thought it was a good idea to adapt the red and yellow Daredevil suit to live action? It hasn't been used in the comics for years for a good reason, but someone decided to bring it to live action. Thanks, I hate it.

[@CatalinaLinal7710]

As a 23 year old young woman let me say with every inch of my heart: Who in the god _damn_ year of 2022 still thinks audiences/men "cant accept a female superhero/ main character" so every single piece of media that does must be treated like the sole savior of feminism we all have _desperately_ been waiting for for 10 billion years in this horrible reality with no beloved female main characters/ heros in sight whatsoever, is honestly at this point just refusing to take an honest look into the last 20 years. No, things werent unproblematic, but you cannot demand of me to pretend like I *didnt* had a whole childhood full of countless strong and badass female main characters (who also were superheros) who turned into international phenomenons: PowerPuff Girls, Kim Possible, Winx Club (here in europe Winx Club was MASSIVE), Hannah Montana, Thats so Raven, Miraculous Ladybug (although that shows feminism isnt always healthy either) are the ones I remember on top of my head. But lets add Barbie, the fucking Disney Princesses, most of the Disney Channel had female protagonists when I was a child and all the other _very much existing_ female protagonists of other channels, movies, shows and and and, shall we? Oh, would you look at that! Feminist media wasnt invented 2 weeks ago it was very much already going strong over 15 years ago, who would have thought? Ah yes, ME, because I was there to _watch it_ which unfortunately means I am indeed aware of whats the difference between back then and today for the most part now: Back then female empowerment wasnt constantly produced as basically revenge porn even if the narratives were purposfully layed out in the girls favor. There is a massive difference between simply giving the female (main) character(s) the spotlight and whatever the hell kind of biased feminism we get today alot of times because apparently "female main characters/heros arent accepted and we must violently claw our unwanted way through the evil, evil men/boys with hardly a single good one among them if we dont make them drink Respect Women Juice first every single time". *Sorry* if I wasnt _supposed_ to notice that though. Please "feminist" Hollywood, go back to pretending like the first Wonder Woman movie ISNT a wildly beloved Superhero movie (most profitable superhero movie in 2017) simply because _it was a damn GREAT movie_ . Or WandaVision being an internet phenomenon until the ending lacked the quality of the former episodes and left fans disappointed in several ways but its still one of the most well beloved Streaming shows on Disney+ _because its a damn great and interesting show_ Its fine, I will wait here, continuing to rip into your cheap cashing ins on toxic feminism at this point while watching you use actual feminism as a fucking shield so you dont have to put in effort into writing, production and quality anymore to get praised into heaven. Its cool, I'll wait here with my standards. Maybe one day we can reach the bar again my CHILDHOOD set for your feminism *almost 2 decades ago...*

[@DigimontamerB]

She-Hulk as a character is so fucking cool. This show is just pathetic.

[@ahwayzcool4630]

I agree 💯 percent with everything you said about this show. This show was a huge disappointment to me.

[@sarcasm-83]

Yeah what I feel for the most in this whole debacle are the true fans of how the character is supposed to be. Now that character is practically just featuring in an agenda driven bad sitcom. I'm personally not familiar with her from the comics. I did read a good bit of comics when younger, but hers I never really came across for who knows why. If I wanted to name this show accurately, I'd probably name it "Green Twitter Hero Vs. The World"... as that is how it feels like; As if her whole universe was written according to how twitter outrage understands the world. "Reading the script, it was so true. There's so much resistance to a woman just existing in that space of superheroes." Well Scarlet Witch doesn't seem to have anything going against her. But she's a character that feels believable. Her grudges aren't towards men, but towards the war that took her parents. Her problems are tied to her loss and the trauma suffered from it and she's now hopelessly trying to find some comfort after experiencing the loss of her most important supports in life, one after another. Parents. Brother. Loved one. That character has layers that make her relatable. Not only to (bitter, spiteful) women, but to every humanbeing. That's the key thing for any good character. That they are a relatable human. With flaws and strengths... and that they don't see being helped (by the opposing gender) as an insult. The Hulk, Bruce Banner has been in numerous movies and not once has there been a single thing that only happened to him, or that only he could do "because he's a man". Yet in the FIRST EPISODE of She-Hulk there's a moment where she can control her transformation because... ta-da, she's a *woman* and because men are intolerable, apparently. Write a character with that as the core, the very ground everything is built on and you will have an incoherent mess that will be hard for most people to relate to, regardless of gender. Not to mention how that often comes with writing that seems to make sure to portray any male around them as something that proves her point about why she's a victim or otherwise as something laughable. To think it'd be hard for a female to exist in a movie franchise like this, we'd have to ignore Storm, Jeanne Grey, Rogue, Wonder Woman, Scarlet Witch, Black Widow, Mystique, Harley Quinn... So what is that whole claim based on? Captain Marvel criticism only? Because I certainly haven't seen the issue with any movie that makes it their priority to have... idk, good character writing.

[@ARStudios2000]

Yep! As human beings, irregardless of background and culture, there are values that are intrinsic to us as human beings that are present in the stories we look up to. Without the humanity of those values and factors, these stories would always fail because they refuse to acknowledge the humanity, the values that makes humans we can look up to.

[@Femmeaesthetic]

as i was continuing watching this show, It felt like I was watching Shrek than Hulk (she hulk).

[@pattypiranha3132]

I agree you don't have to read the source material to enjoy an adaptation however you do have to read it to write one.

[@cami4f870]

I agree on everything. I don’t understand why focus all your work on people who are not going to watch the show or are “ haters “ instead on focused all their efforts on people who love the character .

[@icleanspoons]

I felt like this series was meant to be a fun lighthearted sitcom without any stakes or commitments in terms of plot and character development but I see now that the expectations (especially from stronger fans than i am in terms of this character) for this show was a bit different than I imagined

[@mkocel]

Well, we'll always have Jessica Jones.

[@Wizardbane-ev9zk]

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[@jaysgamingcorner8539]

The thing is, many of the recent MCU adaptations are meant to poke fun at the source material. Lots of current Hollywood productions are using fan anger to shield themselves from criticism after making a show/movie etc. that belittles the source material. The outrage is the point, sadly.

[@gilian2587]

It's not a viable long term strategy.

[@Steve_P_B]

"Fans will not be accepting of a female superhero"..... We were accepting of Black Widow, Storm, Wanda (before they did her dirty), Jessica Jones, and so many more female superheroes. What she really means is that fans won't be accepting THEIR TREATMENT OF A FEMALE SUPERHERO. Because it's trash and they know it. Which begs the question, if you KNOW that fans won't accept this dreck that you made, why make it?

[@i_will_not_elaborate]

I'm really getting sick of writers bragging about diversity in their shows/movies for source materials that was already diverse without their involvement. It happened with Mortal Kombat 2021 and now it's happening with She-Hulk. "This movie has so much culture and races", and "Critics just can't handle a female superhero". B!tch, they weren’t your characters in the first place!

[@ottobaron6392]

Isn't the whole point of adapting a comic book character to the screen (large or small), because it would have fans of the comic who want to watch it? Why wouldn't this show be compared to the comic book it's based on?

[@EquesTron]

I was looking forward to this series when it was first announced, and in a few episodes it quickly became the worst show the MCU has done. It was clearly written out of spite, and instead of crafting a funny and exciting superhero show, they instead made a superficial dissertation on misogyny and online trolls, while forgetting to write a good story and a character with agency. Sorry that you had to go through this series, but it did make for a trilogy of entertaining videos.

[@wensleyjames9761]

2:44 That was the wrecking crew?!! I am so glad I never watched this show!

[@vindozadm7772]

The show in my opinion really proved the trolls right and it sucks. Really poorly written and poorly handled and sucks for a female character who deserves better than that.

[@peterlane1391]

You are a treasure. I'm subscribing right away. I love everything you did here.

[@mikelooksatstuff]

I love how the show runners, don't mention all the women who were disappointed by the show. Mainly because if you advertise that you failed to capture the attention of your target audience is signs the show sucks

[@Nonjola]

So, in other words, they turned a Twitter post into a show that cost them probably millions of U.S. dollars?