ML Drums now has HUMANIZING!

[@SamuliVaihkonen]

Is there a way to export the humanized midi? For example, if i want to blend one shot sample and triggering it based un humanised midi would cause problems.

[@mlsoundlab]

Not currently, but this is something we can talk about 💪 -Kai

[@davidmultimedia2024]

VERY cool Mikko, and the drums sound great! I'd love to see an option to increase the human factor. I feel like it does a great job humanizing the drumming, but it is still very subtle and does sound like a VERY tight drummer, which is great, but it would be awesome if we could make it even more dynamic and sloppy using a knob/slider (similar to GroveBass). Not to a point where it just sounds sketchy, but allowing us to increase the dynamics and latency/feel in 2 seperate controls would be SICK and would bring the product to a complete new level for sure. The plugin can provide drum sounds from The Beatles to Modern Metal, so it would be crazy if we could also make the virtual player sound a bit more like Ringo instead of Matt Halpern! XD

[@mlsoundlab]

Thank you for the feedback David, this is something we can look into. Bad guitarists like myself keep getting shown up by digital drummers 😆 -Kai

[@davidmultimedia2024]

@@mlsoundlab You’re not bad at all Kai.. but I get it lol there’s less "geling" happening between the drums and the guitars so it stands out even more.

[@mlsoundlab]

We actually have those controls on the background so implementing something like this is not at all difficult. After debating it we thought it could be easily misunderstood so for now we chose a set-it-and-forget-it solution.

[@davidmultimedia2024]

@@mlsoundlab That’s what I thought and I get it. Still wish for it tho 😘

[@tomh4244]

Would really like it too, solution: make 2 modes "auto" and "advanced", this way, the controls are not apparent by default, switch to advanced to see them, this gives flexibility to those who want more. It's a no-brainer to me!

[@borndrumming1972]

You can really hear it on the cymbals. Without it they just SMASH the whole time...with it they sound really nice.

[@mlsoundlab]

That is where it's the most obvious. The snare still gets full velocity hits most of the time while everything else is lower velocity where it's more realistic. 😊

[@MahmoudNader]

One thing I'd like to see is the ability to audition drum sections in the mixer tab.. just like EZD3

[@mlsoundlab]

Thank you for the suggestion, we can talk about it for sure! -Kai

[@davidvierabarreras]

SUGGESTION: I think you should consider to future sample packs, to add more layers, at least 10, and more round robins too, specially the Kick, Snare and Hats???? Also a Rimshot articulation apart to the snare. THANKS!

[@TonyJohnson-iy1bb]

Please make a small indication on the compression!😢😢😢 please!!!

[@mayatmaot]

I love the 1st ml drums and bought it. But you just made it better. Thank you for making so many different amazing products. ML sound lab is easily my favourite plugins developer.

[@mlsoundlab]

Thank you Joe 🥰 -Kai

[@davidvierabarreras]

SUGGESTION: I don't know if you implemented but, another suggestion is for cymbals swells, would be great if you make kinda of algorithm tweaking ADSR controls as a auto-gate function, to soften consecutive hits on cymbals

[@MrOscyn]

Awesome drum sound! You just made it even better. Glad you came out with this drums at the time I was getting in the market to buy a drum vst. Happy I bought this one. Congratulations.

[@mlsoundlab]

Thank you for checking it out, and welcome! Seems like you hopped in at just the right time 💪 -Kai

[@SamiK1989]

Do I remember right that the ML Drums 2.0 version has CC learn for E-kit hihats?

[@mlsoundlab]

CC4 is coming very likely in the next update. At this point the midi learn is for hihats that work using separate midi notes. Stay tuned!

[@SamiK1989]

@@mlsoundlab Thanks!

[@Metaljonus]

I'm loving the upgrade and the mix of both kits. I would like to see some toms and kick tunings down the road as well! So I can get balls deeper? Mixing them. I'm replacing all of the drums I had on this album I am working on with the ML drums. Keep it up!

[@mlsoundlab]

Thanks for the suggestion - we're so stoked to hear you're enjoying ML Drums. Send us over some links to the release when it's out! -Kai

[@enilsonssantos6690]

I'm loving this plugin.

[@mlsoundlab]

Thanks Enilson! 💪 -Kai

[@MattGirst]

What about this: release the humanize function as a separate plugin? Therefore we could use it on other drum plugins as well. I‘d pay whatever it would cost. I guess I‘m not the only one 😅

[@mlsoundlab]

Hmm... hmmm.... hmm.. no idea if this should be a thing or not. 😄

[@tmshores]

Is there a way to route the audio into separate channels in Ableton or other DAWs? Would it be possible to add my own processing to just the kick, the snare, toms, etc.?

[@mlsoundlab]

Yes! kzbin.info/www/bejne/bX-9XnR3YtVgi5Y -Kai

[@woodward_alan]

Can we change the midi mapping quickly to adopt to toontracks maps?

[@mlsoundlab]

Hey there's a preset section on the midi page that has the most common programs out there. We can always add more. 🎉

[@StellarWaveAudio]

ML Drums 1.0 was already my favorite drum library but 2.0 update and luxe set just makes it even better, which is crazy. Shall we wait for an addition of triggers in 3.0 version though? :) There won’t be any need for another drum plugin if you add it

[@mlsoundlab]

Thank you for the suggestion! 🙏 -Kai

[@mlsoundlab]

Hey just to be clear do you mean a separate trigger plugin or trigger samples for layering on top inside ML Drums?

[@StellarWaveAudio]

@@mlsoundlab the second option, so that it works well with the humanizing function. Programming drums is already easy with your plugin, but with triggers you will have literally everything you might need in the box. Thanks for the amazing products!

[@Nikolashiin]

Cool. It would be cool to hear how the plugins humanize function handles tom fills or rolls. It often there you can hear if it’s programmed vs real imo. Off course you can manually fix that too.

[@sobanoodles4286]

Honestly, I wish I had been able to get this drums way earlier in my time making metal music, because not only do they sound amazing but they're also free, with expansion packs that are very affordable I do have one question, have you guys ever considered making a virtual guitar plugin? (Along the lines of Impact Soundwork's Shreddage Series and ThreeBodyTech's Heavier7Strings). I think with how high quality your plugins are it'd be an amazing tool for those who want to make metal/rock music but for one reason or another can't play and record a live guitar

[@mlsoundlab]

Thanks for the suggestion! -Kai

[@billstaleyguitarist]

Does the humanizing function only work when the velocities are 127? For example, if allmy velocities were 120, would turning on this feature do anything?

[@mlsoundlab]

It still shuffles the velocities around a little, and adjusts the timing. The humanise function is at its most extreme when it's working with a fast-paced 127 velocity input. We may also open up the features further in the future. -Kai

[@KGTv123]

I will say, I am blown away by this plugin. The performance with my edrums is exceptional. I really like the guys at GGD, but the performance with edrum hi hats is a real let down and makes the playing experience more than subpar. I honestly wish I hadn’t spent all the money on all the packs, because the results I’ve gotten with ML drums, especially with the usability with my edrums, is night and day. I literally played my edrums for about 4 hours yesterday because I was so excited about the performance and sounds. This is an excellent plugin and at an extremely affordable price.

[@mlsoundlab]

Thank you so much - glad to hear you're feeling inspired and excited to play. That's a huge part of what this is all about and it's our favourite thing to hear. -Kai

[@samseitz9937]

Great demo! As sort of a newbie to drum programming what is your suggestion for setting the velocities? With humanizing should the velocity be on full blast for heavier sections and then if the song requires a much more obvious light touch have the velocity adjusted manually? I guess I’m asking how to best set the velocities with this new feature?

[@mlsoundlab]

You can set them all at 127 and get a very solid foundation with just the humanise button, but the optimal velocities are going to vary heavily depending on the song. ML Drums' humaniser is very intelligent, but it can't know when it's a soft section of your song. I'd say the 120-127 range are all still normal "extra hard" hits within the capabilities of a competent drummer. 110-120 are going to be more regular hits, then on the other end of the scale, 10-30 is going to be great for ghost notes. You can fill the blanks from there. -Kai

[@samseitz9937]

@@mlsoundlab thank you so much for the reply you guys rock!

[@APorTodas]

"it's inhuman.." I see what you did there haha still loving it!! 👊👊🤘🤘

[@mlsoundlab]

Haha well yes - humanizing helps but ideally you'd not writd parts that require 4 hands. 😂

[@APorTodas]

@@mlsoundlab hahahahahaha and 6 sometimes...

[@mitallast]

is it possible only process midi to humanized one, without rendering actual sound?

[@mlsoundlab]

Not currently - the Humanise function in ML Drums is a simple toggle switches that humanises the MIDI notes read by the plugin. -Kai

[@louisburley1597]

Easily my favorite ML drums product

[@mlsoundlab]

Thank you Louis! 💪 -Kai

[@MixReady]

This update is awesome! Implementing a humanizing feature was such a great idea guys. I just tried its myself and it works beautifully. 😍

[@mlsoundlab]

Yesss! Happy to hear that, thank you so much! 🔥 -Kai

[@Sven.Jeschke]

My body is ready for more sound expansions. Bring it on! :-)

[@mlsoundlab]

Hopefully it won't be too long until our next pack! -Kai

[@urbicz707]

Hi guys, I really love the ML Drums and only thing I'm kinda missing is second crash on the left, but that's just me be little bit spoiled.:D But after watching this video I think one thing would be great addition and that is "velocity map" or something like that for every piece to kinda know the velocity sweet spot, how they were recorded. Every sampler is little bit different and maybe even some pieces can be different in one set. In this video seems that hard hits are rimshots and some samplers have rimshots separately. Or something like 80 for snare can be hard hit but for toms is too soft, crashes can be kinda smashed at 100 but china needs 120 to really sound like a china and so on. I don't say that this matters for ML Drums but it would be kinda cool to know and work with that and not spent hours and hours to find velocity values that works for ML Drums when you swiched from somethink else.

[@scottykomer9992]

Besides the smearing, If the parts are programmed with more velocity variation, will the humanize mode still add anything? Or does it just trigger when the same hit keeps happening? Also does it affect the first hit of a song? Or not kick in until it sees a pattern for a couple of hits?

[@mlsoundlab]

First hit will obviously not have any fatigue on it. I recommend doing both manual variation and humanizing at the same time. You'll notice you need to do way less manual velocity adjustment. Like in this demo - this would have been good to do for me and I only touched the hihat edge articulation, snare rolls and ghost notes and a little bit on the end riff crash.

[@scottykomer9992]

@@mlsoundlab cool cool cool cool I was messing around with a bunch today and really dug it.

[@Tryggvasson]

that snare roll could only be played by mangini, but at lower velocities, where you hear the snare a lot more. i think that, at higher values, the velocity variation is slightly greater in real playing. i felt it the most on the hi hats, in the middle section. anyway, great feature to have, and it certainly contributes to a more natural feel.

[@mlsoundlab]

Oh yeah, you could definitely get a much faster snare roll at lower velocities than this - El Estapario is a great example of just how fast you can get on lower velocities, and also a good indicator of how far the velocities will vary. Glad you're liking the new humanise function! -Kai

[@Tryggvasson]

@@mlsoundlab yeah, estepario is really fast, but it terms of variations, i think he sounds more like a machine gun than an m4 :). or, rather, like a dj drum machine sped up in a loop. i guess it's a side effect, when you play that fast. plus, i think his drums are extremely compressed, otherwise those low velocity hits wouldn't be heard, so that's another reason. that's why i like mangini more. he still has expression, and punches the drum a little more, even at high speed.

[@yokytolakaca7485]

There's two modes: Mario Duplantier mode and human mode.

[@AlvianMardhiSetya]

is it free?

[@mlsoundlab]

Yes! 💪 -Kai

[@TonyJohnson-iy1bb]

New update is awesome, but snare on speed 200 and more…mmmm…one of the samples are sucks! Destroy all groove. As if alien screams along with the drum…I do not know how to explain it, but it is something that comes out. The strokes should be smoother, I think

[@PedroHenriquePeagaH]

Poor

[@enilsonssantos6690]

Relax! there is no such thing as poor software, there is software under development.

[@mlsoundlab]

@@enilsonssantos6690 Under development but I'm quite confident when I say it sounds more realistic than most of the drum software out there. Quite many drum programs out there are single shots with only volume differences. Quite many have super unrealistic velocity volume curves where ghost notes are unusable because they're unrealistically quiet. Quite many drum programs have poorly tuned drums. Quite many drum programs have overly processed unrealistic sounding samples. Quite many drum programs force the user to waste years of their lives dealing with Kontakt's quirks. I'm happy to say that in all these factors we're top of the line. ☺

[@marcpeiron_studio]

​@@mlsoundlab Yep I agree, most of other libraries may sound good but are unusable due to velocity problems. Yours is one of the best if not the best, and I've tried many, believe me!