ML7'S OPINION ABOUT JUNO

[@henryrepeater]

Self healing with all those shields she has? No.

[@Weightsss]

Exactly. Like she doesn’t need much. She needs a small increase with healing fall off. But other than that, people are just scared of being an easy target. Lol

[@amandopurperhart1351]

Shields is not armor ​@@Weightsss

[@Weightsss]

@@amandopurperhart1351 I didn’t even say anything about armor or shields??😂😂 I said she needs a small increase with the heals at a fall off

[@ReaveIdono]

​@@amandopurperhart1351 Shields regen faster than normal health when not taking damage. That is the point of no self heal.

[@amandopurperhart1351]

@@Weightsss i react to wrong person my bad xd

[@lastadmiral4432]

I want them to not give her a defensive cd and make her risk/reward gameplay very obvious

[@SSsevenx]

Would you class her speed boost and flight as only offensive cds? Because I’d say they’re both offensive and defensive. Or would you class them as evasive, rather than defensive?

[@rogue4340]

speed is defensive

[@lastadmiral4432]

@@SSsevenx I see them similar to tracer blinks, more of a positioning tool that something like recall or tp

[@SSsevenx]

@@rogue4340 if rein needs to close distance to do extra damage you can speed boost him to accomplish this. this is only one example, speed boost is not only for defensive purposes

[@hillwoop9101]

I just wish they don’t give her any bs abilities like Lamp Suzu Pylon that focuses on denying plays

[@biot1c]

as a support main please do NOT give her self healing, i want to actually be able to kill her unlike pretty much all the supports they've introduced since ana. plus she already has great mobility to escape dives and stuff

[@Chr0n0s38]

The only buff I really would like to see is a partial cooldown reset if you don't actually fire the rockets. Maybe like 2s off the CD or something.

[@SSsevenx]

I’m pretty sure it goes from 10 to 5 seconds when you don’t shoot them

[@beau9956]

Best I can do is 1.5s off CD.

[@thawingkarma233]

That’s the point of the ability. You need to use your brain and choose when to fire them. It takes a bit of time to lock-on to enemies or allies, that’s why there is a cooldown if you cancel it. Decision-making is the core of her play style, that’s why she has been received so well by everyone, because she actually takes skill. You dumb her down and it’s over. Another Lifeweaver all over again.

[@D_Jilla]

They should make it where she reloads while locking on rockets

[@Shzl47]

@@SSsevenx more specifically, if there are no targets to lock onto before you cancel it then it goes to 5s

[@doublechindoge7]

_careful with the self heal point..._

[@eagerinspirit]

like do we need ANOTHER support who sustains for free? first support that's fun and fair with skill expression and we immediately want to remove it

[@doublechindoge7]

@@eagerinspirit ^ yeah, I wanted to put it lightly but... This. Literally all of this, my thoughts exactly. Juno could maybe use some small upgrades to her mobility, (it's lacking compared to Mercy and Lucio, other no self sustain supports), and some improvements to Falloff to not punish you for playing further back.

[@joester4251]

Idk after playing her for hours i dont think she needs a buff imo. Her ult though i would like for it to be manually set cause its kind of a clunky placement when activated. But thats it, just minor tuning and shes fine! Definitely does not need a self heal though duebto how fast she is

[@potatertotes]

Yeah, she doesn't really need any buffs right now. She doesn't need any self heal since she has mobility. The ult being able to be set is more of a quality of life change since we can't really tell where it goes.

[@AshuraGC]

The ult just moves in the direction you’re facing when you activate it, whats clunky about it?

[@fabroxuwu98]

She needs buffs because you have no reason to choose her over other supps, other supports better fulfill the function she provides.

[@AshuraGC]

@@fabroxuwu98 honestly I feel like her ult alone could keep her competitive. It’s lowkey ridiculous. But if anything they should buff her hyper ring imo

[@fabroxuwu98]

@@AshuraGC I don't agree, her ultimate is very bad compared to kitsune, window, beat and even nanoboost. It's very easy to dodge it and wait for it to just go away, the buff isn't strong enough to be relevant and often doesn't make a difference to the battle like kitsune does. I would maybe increase the duration so that it makes more sense, it really lasts very little, I have had teamfights where I have used the ultimate and my team did not kill anyone with it, literally 0, because the enemies just walked away from the area, lmao.

[@zc8673]

I really hope they just don't change her glide ability, unless they give her the ability to descend. I think people are just way too used to echo and pharah, but I actually really enjoy the fact that Juno isn't a flying hero perse. You just have to use it as a repositioning tool, not a flying ability. It's actually so powerful.

[@LizardWizard1999]

Yes! I agree! I really like that her glide ability is horizontal and stays in the same spot. Really allows me to get a better position to heal my team. She would be soooo clunky if she had echo flight. God no. Keep it where it is. Juno is a hover support

[@szunaloneheart3148]

Exactly what i told everyone too: make her ult stop when pressing the button again. I really hope they deliver that

[@musicxxa6678]

dash give her 50 movement speed buff. thats pretty good defensive ability combined with sup passive and shield regen.

[@BronzzBloodMK2]

Only thing she needs is her healing fallof buffed and quality of life tweaks to her ultimate. That’s it. She’s prolly the most perfect character they have ever released.

[@fabroxuwu98]

I feel that in addition to lowering the CDs a little and improving the ultimate so that it can compete with other ultimates such as bit, kitsune, windows and nano. They should buff the hitbox of her bullets, after playing with her several times I realized that its impossible for me to heal small allies like Genji, Kiriko, etc. even while standing still!, It feels like the bullets are dispersing and Juno herself is in a state that you don't know if you should play her in the backline or more in the middle, because she has abilities that work both ways but none stands out.

[@Kaltar_]

She doesn't need self healing she does not need to have every tool for everything

[@jhonhvz]

No thanks I don't wanna deffend against a Juno that also self heals while flying all around with all the other divers

[@sablethefable2838]

Yeah, she doesn’t need a self heal. You can have so much skill expression in the movement.

[@Chr0n0s38]

Especially since she self-heals a lot with those shields already.

[@andyboston3646]

For real she's perfectly fine as is but most people want to turn her into a Baptiste/Kiriko with no decision making or cooldown management. Just throw in your defensive abilities when needed and prevent any bad situation you've put yourself in, sure.

[@SeraphSeph]

I love how people are telling the best support she doesnt need any buffs when these are more like early warnings that if they dont change these minor things she's going to be bad.

[@YourBlackLocal]

No, it shows that supports are simply over-kitted in comparison. A large portion of Ml7s complaints just make her more annoying, like a self-heal simply for pressing a button and running away.

[@Akuseru94]

@@YourBlackLocal We used to have a 2nd tank that meant the supports didn't need this much power to just survive.

[@SeraphSeph]

@YourBlackLocal he said that or to increase her falloff range since right now her kit is counterintuitive. They want her to be up close and making plays but since she has 0 self sustain if you want to live you have to play st medium to long range.

[@alvin_row]

​@@SeraphSephShe has more than enough ways to kite towards a safe spot and wait a few seconds to get her HP back though. I'm not GM, but I'd wait a few weeks before giving her self heal. They're annoying to go against, and her not having one makes her unique. Look at how long it took for people to re-learn pharah and realize how broken she was after her rework.

[@pandolam4513]

People also wanted mauga buffs, look at where that ended up

[@krono32]

I wish her ultimate would just follow a target she selects. If she doesn't select a target, then it would just follow her.

[@cdt5559]

I know ML7 is THE expert in support but I respectfully disagree on the self regen. A bit longer cooldown on speed ring would undermine lucio’s niche, no? The big thing I agree with is the heal falloff for her primary. She has a bunch of windows of vulnerability, I think that closing the range one would give her a little more viability into poke comps.

[@squishier8]

I like the idea of stopping her ultimate(over shattered teammates or in a choke etc.) it makes it a little more interesting. I hate to say it, but for a soft release, OW2 devs kinda nailed it 👍 Fun hero, small changes only please!

[@93Chowo]

What if you could place her ult like Lifeweaver or Sigma does and then it moves forward the direction you were looking? Otherwise I think she´s in a good spot.

[@squishier8]

@@93Chowo I can dig that

[@trxpmetal]

She needs damage. Atm its more tickling the enemies

[@BronzzBloodMK2]

Bluds shootingpeople 50 meters away.

[@rye-breadstick]

I really think that her hyper ring thing should give a jump boost like it seems like it does in the trailer - yes, bringing people to high ground was supposed to be LW’s niche, but his cooldowns are too long to really be worth using them for that instead of saving someone or neutralizing an ult

[@Katejsej]

Juno needs two things. For me. More heal, more damage. Would be totally enough for my play style. (The ultimate is boring, yeah true.)

[@BalkanGames]

If they want the ultimate to stay the way it currently is (i.e. you can't stop it from moving forward), it would be nice if it turned her Mediblaster into a fully automatic weapon while you're in the beam.

[@alvin_row]

@@BalkanGames this sounds fun!

[@LittleEmpanada]

Honestly Juno’s Glide Boost duration needs to be buffed a bit mostly because it feels so short

[@DarthSpock1]

I agree she's going to be underwhelming in high ranks, but also fear she will become a bit too mindlessly strong in low ranks. The 10 second CD torpedo with "high-noon" auto lock is just asking to be used for ult charge spam.

[@Levin_125]

I feel like it would be better to give her more vertical mobility rather than self healing

[@stillnotchill2560]

She doesn't need a buff. If you give her more kill potential you will need to reduce her ammo count.

[@lian7092]

she seems perfect

[@humblecanadian4206]

Comparing samitos take to this is night and day.

[@flareb99]

I think she just needs more height on jump, and more range on her gun or atleast the ability to headshot. I think her not having self heal is fine, problem is her escape tools and dueling capabilities aren't very good to compensate for it

[@m.artifex2001]

My biggest issue rn is her flight, I thought she was supposed to be very vertically mobile. Why does she have an ability that completely locks her vertical movement? And her torpedoes feel so weird as anything other than group spam. If someone dives you or if you need to heal one person quickly, only one missle will launch per person no matter what. Maybe they could increase the number of missles or the heal/dmg slightly if there's only one/two people targeted.

[@GiantDad553]

Because we don't need another support (Or hero of any role honestly) zipping around like an air plane. She's super fast with her shift and E. If that's not enough mobility for you, you're asking for to much.

[@nuraxgaming6601]

​@@GiantDad553 they added a support hero thats balanced and feels fair. has clear strengths and weaknesses. idk why people want to see her buffed. shes simply overshined by heros with much more bloated kits

[@GiantDad553]

@@nuraxgaming6601 Agreed, I didn't even mention her god damn double jump in my last post. She's objectively one of the most mobile heroes in game. I think she needs more feedback changes really, I know her ult is powerful and does a lot for the team, it just doesn't feel like it does if you know what I mean.

[@killa6tv931]

This new character actually outheals the rocket damage bots in the training room. She needs no buffs nor does she need self healing ability. Shes pretty much a way better zen with utility besides destroying tanks. Whats wrong with characters having weaknesses again???

[@Mr_Sting]

I believe the damage/healing numbers are good, it just feels too inconsistent. You either need impeccable aim, aimbot, or they’re standing still to hit all shots in a burst. If they reduced the shots per burst and mag size by a third, they could increase the damage per shot in the burst to, say, 10 per? 80 per burst of 8 shots. Numbers are a little less, but you get a little more than the 7 per shot now, even when hitting 1 or 2 shots a burst. Idk, just throwing the ideas out there.

[@allbadtakes]

Wow the bias shows for supports. Ult is great. Doesn't need self-heal as she can get out of tricky situations herself. Definitely needs damage and heal fall-off on a hitscan weapon (or close to it if it is projectile). She was doing great it seemed. Watched streamers do ridiculous amounts of healing per 10 on her and doing damage too. And the speed stuff is one of the best utilities in the game along with making it more fun to play. Going to see people begging for Juno on their team when she is released as it is so slow now without her. So glad the devs don't balance supports based on anything ML7 says!!

[@aqueleRu]

Insted of self healing, give her either more speed with the boots or allow her to ascend or descend while using it, maybe it will go crazy with the double jump, but I don't think she is that hard to hit.

[@adamsteiff98]

Honestly I don’t think she actually needs buffs. I think if they buff her on release by season 13 they will neef her. Because she doesn’t need buffs, people just need to get used to her movement and healing because it is different from most other heroes. Only possible buff I would say. And it’s more quality of life/slight buff is. Remove the healing fall off. Keep the damage fall off. Skill shot healing that has fall off health when other support’s have auto aim/ auto lock healing that doesn’t is ludicrous

[@1Vavu]

yee. she need buff, i feel it too after 10+ games! But she is soooo fun to play (but not against xdd)

[@pngdotjpeg]

I think they should increase the duration and size of the ult, and slow its move speed down so it doesn't go too far from the increased duration. I also think self healing is maybe too good for a flight based hero, so perhaps they could speed up her missiles' arm time and make the offensive ones slow enemies for a couple seconds if they're close to space ranger, so she has a better opportunity to get away and use her shields to regen quickly

[@erichowell1050]

I think the pros could make a lot of use of her if she was out now. The Mauga comps the Koreans were using at dream hack based on the cardiac overdrive lifesteal and damage reduction. Seems like she could slot in there nicely. But that’s coordinated team play

[@FennecUser-ky9vr]

Yeah I hope she could mix up the meta at the pro level. I think at the moment though mauga will be quite weak at the top level since sigma and Dva can shut him down pretty easily now. My only concern for juno is that she has to compete with supports like baptiste and kiriko.

[@zc8673]

I know what kind of sounds crazy, but I really hope they change her character model before final release. I really miss the armor that she had in her concept art.

[@D_Jilla]

To me she does a lot dmg and healing without trying that hard. Am i the only one that feels this?

[@Soft_Ghost]

Ultimate sucks. It provides group heal and dmg boost, so people want to stay in it, but it moves slowly? When she can speed boost her whole team? It’s the one kit on her that doesn’t synergies with anything. Not being able to see a clear distance and direction it travels also doesn’t help.

[@Portalfever]

Her ult dmg needs a nerf they buffed tanks just to release juno widow 2 shots hog in this it buffs ult dmg too it is an insta fight winning ult

[@oksobasicallyimmonky]

Devs said they wanted to shift from new heroes being strong/OP to being more useful

[@FaultStrider]

Well that’ll be a nice change of pace, if they stick with it. I think the last OW2 hero we got with more utility than power was Ram, and he’s a mainline story character, so I feel like it only makes sense that they spent a lot of time on him.

[@connordavid3395]

Ml7 I love u man but this is not it. She has more mobility than pretty much every support in the game. She has a double jump, a speed boost that increases her speed by 50%, and her shift that also gives her a 50% speed boost. She does not need a self heal. She has shield health plus the support passive so she regens faster than other supports. I agreed that some changes need to be made to her ult but that's it. Plus by the way, her healing and damage range is 40 meters. That's more than Ashe and Cass. She doesn't need a range increase. We don't need another support that just sits in the back and heals bots plus it defeats the purpose of all that mobility if u just sit in the back all game. Her speed can be used to take off angles and get out safely while being able to self-regen pretty quickly due to the shield's health. I don't have anything against u but I don't want another support that does everything. We have enough support that do everything. Pls, let us have the support that feels relativity balanced.

[@connordavid3395]

I can't wait until they buff and then people end up hating her. Saying “Blizzard made another broken character”. I promise you that giving her healing on her abilities will not make her fun to play against. It will be the opposite.

[@timmycho3191]

more mobility than pretty much every support in the game? kiri tp, lucio wall ride and speed amp, mercy GA, moria fade, lifeweaver peatal and 50heal dash, all of the mobility supports have a ablity to actually disengage and run away. gluide boost and double jump does absoulte fuck all when ur getting dived by a dva, winton, tracer, gengi, u still die regardless. as for a disengage hell ilaris boop does it better. at least it pushes away enemies. as for using ur speed ring to disengage. first of all it isnt enough and second of all your using the most powerful part of her kit as a run away that dosent half the time. how is this more moblity that every support? her double jump cant even get to most of the high grounds of most maps

[@-NoNo.]

her healing and damage fallof range is 30 meters not 40

[@SILK97]

No. No no no. I like you mL7 but this ain’t it. No self heals for activating abilities, no buffs to the speed ring. Only buff id like to see for this hero is something with the ultimate. I could see an area increase on it

[@michaelpurdy9165]

No self heals. Please no more. It’s too much.

[@nemebliss]

And then people yell at supports for dying cause they have no real tools of self-sustain. How about we take self-heals away from tanks and dps? How would that feel, huh? Seriously, people just want supports to spawn and immediately die yet flame them for never healing enough.

[@SILK97]

@@nemebliss actually yes, please take away the self heals for any tanks and DPS. And Juno is very survivable as is. She gets the speed from hyper ring as soon as she pops the ability. If that’s not enough to get to safety, pop the Glide Boost. If you pop 2 speed boosts and you still die, then your attacker deserved that kill. You made a mistake somewhere and the enemy took advantage

[@Maskuerade-Unseen]

​@@nemeblissYes, take everything away

[@nuraxgaming6601]

@@nemebliss please yes, you guys are starting to get it. ive onetricked doom since summer 2019 until ow2 release and it was a lot more fun to be actually forced to have good cooldown management, timing and positioning. instead of just relying on infinite healing and shields

[@SSsevenx]

Placeable ult, rather than it casting on the users position. +10m primary fire range. And mmaaaaayyybe 1.2x headshot multiplier, but perhaps this one isn’t so necessary

[@awmetoo1]

Ok nah the flying and speed and all of that is fine actually decent imo. What needs a buff or a change or idk something is her auto lock on ability. Why does it exist?? what value does it give besides ult charge and tickling whoever is low on your or there team? when Moira can heal 3+ with her base heal. It needs a damage buff or some other status effect rather than just feeling like nothing

[@durasel0214]

Made a suggestion for self heal but was told it was a bad take. What if she self heals for the number of targets she hits with missles. For e.g 20 health per target so if you hit all other players you heal 180 health.

[@blacktimhoward4322]

What if the ultimate is always centered on Juno and follows her for the duration?

[@Memo-yh4nc]

She does not need buffs. She’s perfect as is. And please no self heal. It’s so annoying to play against. Her mobility is her defence.

[@piskipa]

Either: 1. Headshot damage and/or less fall-off range (especially for healing, maybe only for healing) or 2. Give her self-healing (maybe on her mobility) so that she can play mid-range. Right now she can't play long range (because then her heal does nothing) but can also not play mid/close range 'cause she has no survivability.

[@BronzzBloodMK2]

Respectfully this might be a skill issue. I don’t usually pull this card but this might just be one of those times.

[@matthewvido3902]

I'm guessing the self heal comment is so she would be picked over other broken heroes who can do that

[@wesker8814]

I agree. If she's meant to he a close range/dive support, she should be able to have some self regen, or better at dueling in general

[@FennecUser-ky9vr]

Yes that's just what we need when we already have supports like baptiste and kiriko that are better at dueling than most dps.

[@adiksnugie]

Plays for 2 days and already asking for buffs , cmon just play her and just get use to her first

[@kazuzaPT]

Saying auto-aim is fine on an fps game is a terrible idea

[@sharLeyyysharLey]

Another flying hero LOL

[@olegdusov4273]

ML7 is too used to bullshit cds on support Or maybe competitive Overwatch is, and ML7 is just part of it

[@darkphoenix474]

The hyper ring is so underwhelming. Make it increase attack speed for a short while or something

[@Joereenaa]

no? i think ist just her primary fire that needs a buff nd the ult speed

[@Chr0n0s38]

That would just make it Kitsune but on a CD. Let's not do that.

[@awmetoo1]

nah hyper ring is personally fine imo. People just use it wrong. Place it after a fight when your team is ready to DISENGAGE or right when they engange use it so they have a scape goat out of the fight with the boost. Honestly tho just buff her auto lock on with something it's genuinely the most useless shi ever

[@alexanderodonnell691]

Her primary should be an overheat thing like Orisa’s cause doing all that healing/damaging I feel I’m not using the whole clip and reloading personally 🦧