MLB's Hit King is also MLB's Biggest Scumbag

The recent Shohei Ohtani/Ippei Mizuhara gambling scandal has reignited a decades old debate: does Pete Rose belong in the Baseball Hall of Fame?
Pete Rose is one of the most controversial and well-known figures in sports history. MLB's all-time Hit King bet on baseball, including betting on his own Cincinnati Reds while he was player-manager and manager of the club. Beyond that, he's lied about his actions for decades, never repented, and potentially committed even more heinous acts beyond the gambling.
This video is why I think he should NEVER be allowed into Cooperstown.
Dowd Report: www.thedowdreport.com/report.pdf
Music:
• Pete Rose Soundtrack
Chapters:
0:00 Who is Pete Rose?
1:25 Pete Rose Timeline
8:08 Disproving the Talking Points
14:58 Pete's other Crimes

[@AndThatsBaseball]

I have been informed that I misspelled "hypocrisy," feel free to unsubscribe for my idiocy 💔💔

[@tranquilo6897]

Haters gonna hate but it doesn't change the content. Keep being the best.

[@stephenbianchi7141]

Hipocrazy

[@Mr4one6]

You made some great, well thought out points

[@kenw2225]

Hippopotamuscrisy

[@sportspokerguy3506]

The all star game used to determine whether the AL or NL got home field advantage in the World Series which is why it wasn’t just an exhibition and Pete ran over fosse - trying to win - that’s a much better reason to not subscribe than misspelling a word lol

[@pamsuepmnos2371]

Honey wake up a 20 minute long Pete Rose diss track just dropped

[@J.C...]

Just, stop. This is soooo played out.

[@Drogon7102]

Certified pedophile wopwopwopwop

[@jockoadams3377]

"I wished I had an interpreter in the 1970s-1980s" Did Pete just quietly admit that he was betting on baseball as a player all along?

[@Drogon7102]

Yeah

[@warlordofbritannia]

*Curb Your Gambling Addiction*

[@Badtown1988]

Thank you for this. I personally wouldn’t lose any sleep if Rose was reinstated, but the idea that he’s somehow entitled or that he was railroaded by the baseball establishment is laughable despite how mainstream it’s become. He played with fire and got burned.

[@Lee86THUNDER]

If they want to stop bad actors from impacting the game the mlb needs to drop these bad umpires

[@AndThatsBaseball]

It’s been bad this week in particular idk what’s going on

[@kenw2225]

They dont care. They loved the money made of steroids, and prectically turned a blind eye to astros and red sox cheating at an organizational level. Gave out mickey mouse punishments and trying to sweep it under the rug. I disagree about rose not being in. I dont even like the guy, but its hypocrisy to leave him out. The league doesnt want players betting or compromised, so they dont get undermined when theyre trying to fix the games the way they want to. And yea, the umps and their trash calls are used in a big way to massage outcomes.

[@MMMAXIMO]

@@kenw2225 100%

[@charlesdoyle3630]

​@@kenw2225The problem is Rose is ehy Rose is not in. Rule number one should be protect yourself at any cost. Legally speaking of course. Rose failed to do that. He was followed for over a month. The man at one point had a deal that would keep him out of prison, forgive his gambling debts, and eventually let him in HOF. He screwed that up. And we are talking 6 figure gambling debts. Rose had some associates of less than stellar character behavior wise. After having gone throught that already with Black Sox scandal they did want to take a chance of it happening again. The mob was still around at this point. The repeated lying by Rose did not help. Rose thought he was above the sport. That is not to say MPB is not in its own way hypocritical. They knew he had a major gambling problem for decades and did nothing. Granted when Rose started playing to gamble you went to a bookie. Also no Gamblers anonymous either. For Rose to get even a chance to get in he has to release a public statement apology to the fans of baseball in general and not to the commisioner of.

[@TheGbelcher]

The umps are worst than pitching changes, the shift, gambling, steroids, and sticky stuff combined.

[@hailmaryrecordings8255]

Pete Rose *did* bet on his own team, and that’s what I feel is unforgivable. I grew-up in the 70’s & 80’s. I saw Pete play at Wrigley Field several times and he was a great ball-player that we ALL respected, even if we hated him. It’s a shame.

[@AndThatsBaseball]

This is exactly it. The guy was an INCREDIBLE ballplayer, an incredibly fun guy to watch, and a great face of the league while he was playing. While watching the highlights, I totally understand why he was so beloved. It's a shame that he did it at all, it's a shame that he lied about it, and it's a shame that he never tried to grow as a person.

[@SconnerStudios]

Bet on them winning. Who cares about that? In fact, I would encourage players to do so, because it would make them even more motivated to win. It gets pretty boring even for the players by game 162, especially if you aren't a playoff contender. Plus it's an addiction, much like how we're realizing that drug addicts shouldn't go to prison. They should've sent pete as an inpatient to some rehab for a year then put him on indefinite probation and let him back in MLB provided he continues to pass those probation conditions.

[@Bountoxx]

No way youre not related to the man.if not thats unhealthy​@@SconnerStudios

[@user-ty4qs6nc7v]

@@Bountoxx are you not betting on your team to win just by taking the field? You get paid to play. In some sports you get paid if you do win.

[@isaiahknight2755]

@@SconnerStudios I feel the same way but after thinking about it I guess it is possible if a player is always betting on his team to win anytime he doesn't place a bet it could be seen as a signal it'll be thrown. It's easier to just not have to regulate that and worry about it but yeah I don't get the outrage over a bet that would only motivate you.

[@ShadowLinkHD]

Pete's reaction to anyone saying Ichiro has more proffesional hits than him is enough to not like him 👍

[@just_radical]

Okay, but Pete Rose believing that Ichiro having more hits would somehow make Pete Rose the Hit Queen as if he will be presented to Ichiro as a diplomatic bride for the stability of relations between the kingdoms of MLB and NPB and expected to bear Hit Princes and Princesses is hilarious.

[@brianmanuel4435]

I didn’t like him from that day forward, cowardly loser energy written all over it.

[@ronaldrollins1558]

4256 is the record period its MLB records not Japanese MLB records .

[@ShadowLinkHD]

@@ronaldrollins1558 Notice how I didn't mention the MLB record. Pete has that record, it's undeniable. But his remarks following someone asking how he felt about Ichiro passing that mark if you combine both professional leagues came across as an extremely bitter and racist old asshole.

[@henrywallacesghost5883]

Ichiro would have been the hit king but unfortunately they have that stupid rule in Japan where they hold the professional rights to their players. That's why I think MLB should do more scouting on Japanese and Korean players when they are younger and get them before they go pro.

[@UnchainedSora]

It's amazing the amount of historical whitewashing around Rose. It's always driven me crazy. Also, did I hear the BO2 main menu theme at around the 5:00 minute mark?

[@dredwick]

Kinda like the whitewashing around Babe Ruth. And every other white baseball player.

[@brentw0681]

B02 the 🐐, good times.

[@TheDondajonhon46]

What "whitewashing?" He's still not in the Hall of Fame and he's probably never going to get in.

[@nathanreynolds6459]

I love the example about how Rose’s managerial decisions would be influenced by his gambling. Who knows if he intentionally saved his best relievers for a game he had a wager on, sacrificing the games that he didn’t have money on. The fact that Johnny Bench said he shouldn’t be a HOF should tell fans that Rose is not a good person

[@dredwick]

So, what if he didn't bet on his team, and he still did the exact same thing... would it be wrong then? Let's say he didn't make a bet, but still saved his best relievers... does that make it wrong? If so, then you are essentially saying that the REASON you do something makes your act of doing something right or wrong. I could donate all my money to charity, but its only a good thing if I did it out of pure kindness? If I did it to get some sort of tax relief, then it doesn't mater? Smfh, this is ridiculous thinking. Especially for a sport.

[@FourFriends-gk8lz]

@@dredwick All of that is irrelevant. The fact that its casts ANY DOUBT, WHATSOEVER on the game and it's outcome is the problem. That's what "the integrity of the game" MEANS. And there is NO WAY you can prove his decision weren't altered by his betting or not betting.

[@dredwick]

@@FourFriends-gk8lz There is no way you can prove that he ever bet on his team as a player or that he ever bet for his team to lose as a player-manager. In fact, there is no way you can prove that his betting altered the outcome of the game. And since you are the one making the claim that his betting affected the integrity of the game, the burden of evidence lies with you. The issue is that people want to use Rose's betting to redefine what is integral to the game. Just like when the Hall of Fame rules were changed in 1991 to keep people off the list. "Integrity" is just a smokescreen to control the perception of the game. Otherwise the MLB would have already banned steroid users from being in the Hall of Fame, and they would have been banned from the entire league altogether like Rose. Because steroids actually do affect a game, unlike betting on your team to win. Not to mention the use of illegal substances to alter the spin rate of a pitch... that actually does affect the game. Anyone making an argument about the integrity of the game regarding Rose should 100% have the same views regarding steroids and illegal substances.

[@desertdogguy]

Pete Rose is such a POS. He ruined several pitchers careers so he could win his bets. Thanks for the video just subscribed. 💪🏽⚾️

[@dredwick]

@@desertdogguy "Ruined" their career? Hmmmm, that's a bit dramatic.

[@RetroBaseball]

Own that pete rose-o-phile Jacob!!

[@matt23lng56]

1 the girl was 16 and legal in his state. 2 a pedophile is someone attracted to prepubescent boys and girls.

[@tbone21158]

Got an add for Fanduel Casino in the middle of this video. Too funny!

[@litojonny]

nice job for putting the example that even not betting could mean "hey im going to intentionally throw this game"

[@AndThatsBaseball]

This is the most obvious point to me. I've seen SO MANY PEOPLE, including Pete himself, claim that somehow betting on the Reds to win makes it ok. It's such a dumb point the second you think critically about it.

[@kenw2225]

Fixing games is allowed by the league itself. Lol how dare anyone else within the game ever think of trying it too. And did you just say that youll gladly take money from gambling companies for ads?

[@choosecarefully408]

@@AndThatsBaseball Ahh, but human nature doesn't think. It react. You're saying that if we think about it, it's clear that monetary incentives change everything, right? Then why do we allow corporations to lobby politicians? See what I mean? I'm willing to bet that your stomach just clenched & the mind of anyone reading this is racing to find a way that ends with "but it's not illegal (when they do it)." But we *know* it _does affect_ their decision-making. It HAS to. If it didn't, corporations would _keep_ lobbying, right? See? It only takes a few seconds to think. But it takes less than that to react.

[@dredwick]

@@AndThatsBaseball Ehhhh, you kinda showed your cards here. Its not a dumb point if you think critically about it. its your opinion that its wrong, but to imply that others are dumb because they don't take the ethical stance you take.... now that's dumb. A lot of the points you make are simply about ethics and integrity, and that is not black and white. You really have put a little bit of a hole in your own journalistic integrity here, because it is obvious that your personal bias against Rose fueled this whole thing.

[@dredwick]

@@kenw2225 Exactly. So that his journalistic integrity is impacted by the people who sponsor him, because he wants to get paid for his talking points. As if that has never resulted in unethical choices by the person getting paid. Smfh

[@CrashPK77]

"Rose-tinted glasses". What you did there? I saw it.

[@hipstereagle6050]

There’s a story out there where a collector is at a baseball convention as asks for a Pete Rose worn jersey. The seller asks what team, home or away, what era of the jersey and what size. This alludes to Pete feeding the market needing the money to cover gambling debts

[@AndThatsBaseball]

There might be more Rose signatures floating around out there than every other signature combined Had Gioiosa faking his signature in the 80s, wonder what he needed the extra money for 🤔

[@J.C...]

Huh?

[@Shingerrr]

i want to start making videos like this, how does he edit this?

[@AndThatsBaseball]

I edit using Adobe premiere pro and after effects. If you have access to the software from school or work, I recommend it because they’ve got everything you could really need. If you don’t, there are free and cheaper options for editing software, like iMovie. Either way, the most important thing is just diving in and trying it out, because it’s the only way to learn.

[@Shingerrr]

@@AndThatsBaseball thank u so much man. i’ve been subbed for a little bit and love your vids👍 i appreciate the help

[@stryder7865]

Love the BO2 music in the background lmao

[@jeffgillson]

Bro if Pete Rose ain't a hall of fame then there should be maybe 5-6 guys in the hall in all of baseball history. Babe, Willie Mays, Teddy Williams, Ty Cobb, Cy Young, Hank Aaron. Maybe 10 with guys like Walter Johnson

[@ersatz_cats]

Completely agree. And I always have. If he had just come clean, "Here's everything I did, I screwed up," I'm sure it would be a different story. But the narcissistic games, the lies and changing stories, all show he's not worth forgiving. And MLB has a major interest in dissuading others from doing the same.

[@dredwick]

Yeah, because as long as you admit to a wrong, it makes it okay or right? Smfh, admitting to lying doesn't change anything. So any argument that it would change something is absolutely ridiculous.

[@charlesdoyle3630]

​@@dredwickIt will show that he realizes he fucked up and wants to be accountable for. This is the only way he even would have a chance to get. In

[@ersatz_cats]

@@dredwick I mean, it doesn't make it great, but it does provide some closure, and it's objectively better than the alternative. If there's no possibility for reconciliation or compromise, then that incentivizes people to keep up the lie until the end of time.

[@dredwick]

@@charlesdoyle3630 Why? When did a requirement to be inducted into the hall of fame involve recognizing one's faults and admitting to the public when they are wrong? I've never seen a single athlete held to that standard.

[@charlesdoyle3630]

@@dredwick In this case due to his repeated lying and failure to take responsibility. And no not saying he should not get in at all. But a public apology to baseball fans would go farther than just addressing the commisioner. He had a deal that would have kept him out of prison. Forgave gambling debt. And eventually let him in. He fucked that up. He was followed for over a month. He did 0 to protect his own ass.

[@kevingreen2400]

The fact that Rose took the deal, signed away his eligibility shows his guilt. He was caught and he knew it. He could have had a line of lawyers to represent him had he asked for it, he didnt because he knew he was caught. A bet he made on the Reds to win works the other way, the minute that he doesnt bet on his team is a red flag to bookies that something is up This is a well produced and well done piece

[@princejellyfish3945]

Anybody else get a Manson vibe from older Pete?

[@godblesstrolls]

the original P Diddy

[@AndThatsBaseball]

Pete Diddy

[@SconnerStudios]

Only reason you can legit argue for his ban. No other reason, but at least the 12 year old diddling is a legitimate argument.

[@doodchappin]

​@@SconnerStudiosyea id say that's good enough. Didn't know Pete Rose was an LGBTLMNOP+

[@pablosonic892]

The odds are against him. And the over/under.

[@chiveskirk]

15 more minutes until people can say they watched the whole video.

[@AndThatsBaseball]

Expecting a dozen angry comments by then!

[@markross2124]

Something else, 1989 with Rose managing the SF Giants won the eastern Division. In 1990 when sweet Lou Pinella took over the Reds they led, in first place, for the entire season, won 91 games, won the playoffs in six games, and the world series in four. Same team!

[@captaindunsel2806]

Cool story Bro! And what did they do in 1991? Oh, they finished in 5th place in the division? With a losing record? Same team!

[@kevingreen2400]

@@captaindunsel2806 That 91 team was riddled with injuries and the next year won 90 games and though they finished 8 games behind the defending NL Champ Braves were just as good

[@StonewallStacks]

Is this the same guy that does Baseball Doesn’t Exist? Or do they just have similar voices?

[@AndThatsBaseball]

Not the same lol, our speech patterns are kinda similar tho I guess

[@StonewallStacks]

@@AndThatsBaseball I actually love the speech pattern. Plus, you both are creating great material! Thanks!

[@sheistybossman]

I was honestly one of the people who believed Pete was wronged by baseball for a bit, and I admit using the ignorant fact that since he never bet against his team, it was fine and dandy. But then over the past few months I was able to gather more stuff, from you mostly. So today I finally watched this video and man, the hole was MUCH deeper than I thought. Now my whole thought process has changed about this case. More fans of the game should have the same as yours. Kudos from a fellow Yankees fan.

[@DanoG-xf7jb]

But what did he do on the field? Isn't that what the HOF is about?

[@boxcarhobo7017]

We as a society have to separate artist from their art or we will have no art. Majority of the greatest artist in history whether illustrators, athletes, musicians, filmmakers, writers; have done horrendous things against their fellow man OUTSIDE their time creating the times art they birthed into existence. You cancel the art because of the artist, you cancel the majority of all art already in existence and the art yet to come. If the artist hasn't been canceled, statistically speaking, that just means their cancellation is waiting on their inevitable future crimes against humanity and fall from grace. Reminds me of that old Star Trek episode 'The Enemy Within' where a transporter mishap separates Captain Kirk into two halves: his good, kind decent side and the dark, impulsive depraved side. Immediately, his empathetic pacifist good natured persona is a weak ineffectual leader without the other more aggressive, passionate, dark impulses of man side. And the dark side goes running amok the ship paranoid, raging, several murder and rape attempts on his crew and just complete sociopathic savage on the rampage. Spock assesses that it is Kirk's unsavory side, the aspects of his personality that he finds ghastly and repulsive the very qualities that make him such a great, successful leader of men and Federal starship. That same metric can be applied to artists across all mediums and time. Cancel the artist, but not the art. Doesn't stop the music, movies, books or highlight reels from still being awe inspiring or sources of entertainment. Pete Rose the player should be in the Hall Of Fame as a player. He's not being inducted as a manager or for Pete The Degenerate Gambler. No. The player. To deny the reality he wasn't a game changer force of nature in his day is censorship and a collective lie asked of us all that I and nobody should sign off on Barry Bonds same thing. He was a Hall Of Famer before the steroid era. Everyone Practically was in steroids and competed at the same level. The steroid era saved baseballs ass. After that disastrous strike lost '94 season, baseball lost bitter fans for two and half years till the McQuire-Sosa home run race brought everyone back. It was exciting and they still had to make it actually happen.

[@ezekielcaselton5842]

He was quick to try and bury Shohei smh

[@AndThatsBaseball]

He's been harping on the Shohei situation nonstop since it happened

[@davyt0247]

@@AndThatsBaseballbut Shohei never bet on games himself

[@user-eo3gz7ve3y]

Shohei has immunity. He is a current superstar that brings in crazy revenue. A no name player that did this would get the banhammer

[@seantimmons5900]

​@@davyt0247The conspiracy theory is that he did but MLB is covering it up.

[@bigbearkat2010]

@@seantimmons5900 if he did bet on games, then it's only a matter of time before someone outside the league catches him doing it again.

[@Fnargl99]

I don't see the report in the description

[@AndThatsBaseball]

Oh, my bad. Will add it now.

[@everett-tnredsfan]

He may not have a plaque but he has items in the hall. Every clubhouse has the rule about not gambling. Im a 48 year old lifelong Reds fan. I saw him play and manage in person as a kid. He knew the rule when he placed the bets, end of story. Writers have taken it upon themselves not to vote known ped users into the hall. To me one has nothing to do with the other.

[@bennylevine387]

What bugged me about him was how he talked about his crime. He'd bring up worse offenders or worse crimes of people who may be in the Hall. As if he absorbs some triumph from other people being f-ups. He's just an egomaniacal guy who is also stupider than he thinks he is. And if he took some better advice on how to handle this, he'd already be in. A baseball genius and a total zero when it came to this whole affair, how he handled it, and how to deal with people and put himself in a better light.

[@danr154]

My parents actually used Pete Rose as a teaching example of how to ruin your reputation when I was a kid. My mom would tell the story about that catcher Ray Fossie multiple times she always felt he would have gone on to be great.

[@PresidentCheney]

I’m a lifelong Reds fan, worshipped Rose as a player, and even I agree with this sentiment.

[@matt23lng56]

News flash the HOF is supposed to be based solely on how a player played in their career. There are literally racists from the early 1900s in the HOF so trying to disclaim him by bringing his personal life and personality traits is ridiculous and stupid. And also it's been 35 fricken years who cares if he bet on baseball and was a shitty person off the field. Give Rose his flowers and acknowledge one of the greatest players to play the game with the rest of them.

[@kenw2225]

Wouldnt be hard to write he bet on the game and was held out of hall for decades due to it, on his plaque. Its just virtue signaling at this point by anyone who wants to keep him out.

[@TeamHolleyLineDancing]

Yes, and during his playing career he bet on the game he was participated in.

[@colinkohlhaas6612]

I like this channel, but I feel like this video is mostly strawman arguments. When I hear people argue that Rose should be in the HOF, they're usually not defending him for betting, they're saying that alone is a dumb reason to keep him out when it should be based on playing career. I totally agree. Ban him from ever being involved with the game again, he fully deserves that. But keeping him out of the HOF is stupid when he was such a great player. And yes, talking about his personal life is stupid when, as another person said, freaking Cap Anson is in the HOF, OJ is in the football HOF, etc etc etc. Off-the-field issues should have no bearing on HOF candidacy.

[@choosecarefully408]

There are still racist policies sending Blacks to illegal for-profit prisons for charges that are perfectly legal for Whites. This entire culture is built on hypocrisy. PC language & culture is supposed to make Everyone Equal, right? But the term "African-American" is applied only to Blacks. Blacks born in the U.S.A. How is it possibly not racist to create a term for just one "race" (that term itself is also an invention ironically). Whites are simply "American." Not POC. So the very language that proclaims to make people equal labels them unequally.

[@jemmemccann2952]

Thank you! I’m always baffled by OFF THE FIELD stuff dictating HOF voters. There are some truly terrible people in sports HOF’s…not just baseball.

[@mactheknife7049]

You may get flak from some... but I won't be among them. Violations of Rule 21 are absolute, and if for no other reason he should continue to be held out as an example for others not to emulate.

[@coachcruel5455]

Brother, you were convincingly right up to when you said we should believe the federal government is trustworthy. "...even the federal government!" Yah, no.

[@chris2302]

Like many people who watched Pete play when they were growing up, I looked up to and respected him. On one hand, I still think that he should be honored at Cooperstown because of his accomplishments. On the other hand, I think that Major League Baseball made the right decision of banning him because he knew the rules and the price that he'd have to pay if he dared and he did it, got busted, and had to find out the hard way that the rules apply to him too. Given the professional sports leagues are advertising and endorsing sports betting nowadays, it's very hypocritical to keep him banned from Baseball and another thing that's very jarring is that a vast majority of the players that have been enshrined at the Hall are notorious drunks, womanizers, drug addicts, wife-beaters, murderers, and other incorrigible and bottom-feeding scum of the earth but they get a pass and Pete doesn't and most likely never will (while he's still alive, anyway). Either way, Pete screwed up big time and may be a churlish, brooding, bitter, foul-mouthed, and unrepentant scumbag as a person but he should be honored for his accomplishments and it's very sad that he's not there even though he has no one to blame but himself for it.

[@neonfroot]

This is why I never believe in role models/childhood heroes. Its dumb and dangerous.

[@chris2302]

@@neonfroot True. I never thought of high-profile celebrities and public figures including Pete Rose were anywhere close to being worthy of hero-worship nor seen as infallible superheroes because they're flawed human beings who have good and bad tendencies like the rest of us. However, what makes the difference as far as whether they're decent, honorable, and respectable people or bottom-feeding scumbags whom aren't worthy of such honor is if they behold and exhibit values like honesty, humility, decency, respect for others, and accountability for their actions. With all of that being said, leading by example is what truly makes a person worthy or unworthy of such respect. I never put people in positions of authority including preachers on a pedestal either and had no problem calling them out on their shit either which many of fellow Christians including my family members disliked greatly and considered rude, insubordinate, and disrespectful but the same time weren't above badmouthing those people themselves and preached about the importance of honesty as well how much they abhor liars and hypocrites.

[@HitesMites]

Pete took the Big Red Machine to victory again and again from 1970-1976

[@MLBFAN-ds7ng]

Rose vs. Ichiro: Rose, through first 15 MLB seasons: 2966 hits Ichiro, through first 15 MLB seasons: 2935 hits On his way to the hits record with 4,256, Pete Rose batted .325 in 1981, at age 40, with 140 knocks, and could have easily added another 60, if not for the players strike that season, which eliminated 55 games. From ages 36-40, Rose continued to bat over .300, and had 935 total hits. Without the 50+ lost games in '81, he could have cleared 1,000 over that span, which is remarkable for the latter stages of a lengthy career. In comparison, Ichiro's career was average at best after age 36, and he hung on to get his 3,000 career hits. His days of batting .300 were long gone. But he did have an all-time great run from 2001-2010, after entering the major leagues in his prime, at age 27. Rose though, along with Ty Cobb, remains unrivaled as a MLB hitter, over a 20 year period. Go look it up ...

[@wking6159]

Great video and well laid out points. Keep Rose out of the hall while he's alive.

[@jokersinurface]

Pete's gambling goes back to when he was a kid. Reading "Charlie Hustle: The Rise and Fall of Pete Rose, and the Last Glory Days of Baseball by Keith O'Brien" It documents how Pete was gambling way before he even put on a Major League uniform. As a kid, Pete used to play dice and other gambling rackets on his block. Pete's father also bet on horses and took Pete to the horse track with him. His accomplishments will always be overshadowed by his gambling.

[@gurgalaburgala907]

I still think Rose should be reinstated, your points have not done enough to dissuade me. If the league doesn’t believe in the “Integrity” of the game of baseball enough to not make billions off of betting and tramp stamp gambling sports books logos all over, then why should they care about letting a gambling addict be associated with the league. Also, a lot of your situations that you cover go into hypotheticals. “I’m sure he bet against his team at some point” or “He would have bet against the Reds if he was in deep enough”, except it doesn’t matter, as they’re both hypotheticals. If after 35 years, they can’t find any evidence that he bet against his own team, then that shouldn’t even be a talking point. Also, the MLB could have gotten Pete some help with his addiction, if they cared so much. I know they don’t necessarily owe it to him, but if the MLB and other major sports leagues want to keep gambling addicts from ruining the sport, then a good idea would be to get them professional help, since these people are addicts. Overall, regardless of what you think of Pete as a person, there’s no question someone who was that good of a player deserves to grace the Baseball Hall of Fame.

[@DeadOmega]

Fantastic vid .. breaks it all down.

[@thedarkangel1975]

Pete Rose was a fantastic player, but horrible human being. I agree with you that Pete may go in after he dies, but none of the Black Sox did. Pete doesn't belong in because his story has changed so many times over the years I don't believe a word he says. Even if he were to come out and apologizw I would not believe him.

[@charlesdoyle3630]

Permanently ineligible.

[@Wartnot]

I grew up outside of Cincinnati in the 80s. Everybody who has ever had anything to do with Pete Rose, and isn't on his payroll, hates him.

[@TheSecondSports]

Very well said

[@victorfranko8317]

He says “federal government “ like they never lie to us.

[@LWiedy]

I agree with most all the points made here, exception being the Fosse play. There are more reasons PER should not reinstated. History has NOT exonerated Rose. With all that's changed in the gambling landscape since 1989, Rose betting on baseball is still 100% outlawed by MLB. His use of illegal bookmakers is also STILL outlawed. Even if you don't agree there is an integrity issue to induction into the HOF, there is a practical one. At this point, the only thing that could be done is to hold a separate vote and, if elected, place a plaque with the others. There couldn't possibly be a standard induction ceremony, any other inductees would have their moment turned into a circus, not fair to them and not to mention PER only real interest in HOF is the $$ that come from membership. Lastly, why do folks care so much about a deplorable person? There are some injustices that just aren't worth the trouble because the subject has acted in such a deplorable manner. Let's find someone worth fighting for. If you believe in redemption, how can we ever know he's worthy of redemption having like so many times for decades?

[@sobrienaasc6274]

this is a lot more convenient than a twitlonger. good video as always

[@kanyecheedar9170]

OJ is in the football HOF…

[@redfanrod]

Thanks for the video. Pete Rose admits now (and it took awhile) that he bet on baseball, that he made a huge mistake by betting on baseball and has apologized to the baseball establishment for his wrong doing. Having said that, he is a stubborn man and it took way too long for him to admit his misdeeds. However, he played the game like his life depended on it and he is not a scumbag like Barry Bonds, who used an illegal substance(s) to destroy baseball's record book. Bonds and Lance Armstrong are the worst examples of human kind in sports. Whether Pete belongs in the Hall, they should create a wing for cheaters, with Rose and Bonds headlining the first induction ceremony. This sounds weird but "just be honest about the cheating" and put them both in the Hall. ⚾

[@LDQBBQ]

You're absolutely spot on. I've brought these points up that you make in your video for years when debating about Rose.

[@zachmoney716]

I won’t lie I’m on the side of “if he didn’t bet on his team then that lightens it a little” but you do make a very compelling argument in this video, nice job

[@warlordofbritannia]

I was waiting for you bring up his relationship with a child. To me, that’s actually the worst thing Rose ever did.

[@christianpoint0888]

You’ve made some very good points ! Well done !

[@theravagedgrapefruit8190]

“I just want that money” 🤦🏼‍♂️ Some people lack any integrity at all!

[@AndThatsBaseball]

What does that have to do with my integrity 😂😂 I have no moral reservations about advertising sports betting. I do have reservations about athletes and managers betting on the game!

[@bjet1371]

​@@AndThatsBaseballconvincing people to gamble is bad actually.

[@warlordofbritannia]

I fully believe that the MLB making money off of gambling sponsors is a massive point of hypocrisy. The owners don’t care about the moral aspect or if games are fixed so long as the money keeps rolling in. For them to take in billions while punishing any member of the MLBPA for trying to do the same is clearly hypocritical; gambling is not an issue that you can go halfway on, because it will inexorably lead to games being fixed.

[@madmartian2]

I didn't need any convincing. The only bullet point I need is HE AGREED TO NOT BEING PART OF THE MLB. This is the deal he made. Not honoring some one in the HOF is not a goddamn punishment, it is just a lack of commendation! He got out of REAL punishment by agreeing to this. I don't understand what people don't understand.

[@HonoluluBlue81]

I met Pete once. It was at Caesars Palace in Vegas. How’s that for irony.

[@ItsBySource]

WHO SAID I CANT SLAM NO TALLBOY IN MY DUGOUT?!

[@rinehardt6837]

Yeah you're going to get some hate but you are not wrong. I think Rose should be in the Hall of Fame just like Bonds McGuire and Clements because I'm only looking at their achievements on the baseball field no matter what steroid rumors or gambling just looking at the numbers. But Pete gets no sympathy Pete lied for years and years saying he never did it and you're right off him what he wanted all he had to do was it admit he gambled he wouldn't do it. If Shohei Ohtani bet on baseball and his interpreter took the fall is speculation and of course people are gonna say they covered it up because that's what they wanted to be to justify their opinion. so as I said do I feel peach should be in the Hall of Fame absolutely do I feel sorry for him no.

[@thesockpuppetguy7626]

I mean. It's not like the Federal Government hasn't lied before or even conspired with non federal agencies to do coverups. With that said, I doubt they would for Ohtani

[@graemekrone6436]

Wow, this video really opened my eyes! I guess I gave him too much of the doubt!

[@shhygotpicks]

Earned my subscription

[@charlesbronson4282]

It's easy to judge someone who would easily have a wager on your judgement

[@MadMike1]

The only thing I disagree with is the associations with gambling companies not being hypocritical. It IS hypocritical. You can't be telling your own employees that gambling is wrong and then getting into bed with DraftKings and Pro-Line and whatever other company pays you enough. It's like a parent telling his kids that drugs are bad and yet that parent allows Pablo Escobar to do coke deals in their garage.

[@AndThatsBaseball]

Casinos don’t let their dealers gamble. Is that hypocrisy? It’s not about gambling being right or wrong, athletes are allowed to bet on other sports legally. It’s about the integrity of the game being upheld. And fans gambling doesn’t affect the game, but team employees and especially players gambling does.

[@tomatoes100]

Thank you, now i have something to link to people when they argue for him

[@Governmentname]

If Pete Rose is banned from the HOF then the entire 2017 astros should be ineligible. “ nothing is more important than the integrity of the game”.

[@deegeeriv]

“Rose-tinted glasses” was 👌🤌

[@AndThatsBaseball]

I was rubbing my hands together when I thought of that one

[@sporer_]

Pete is obsessed with Adobe... big PDF file fan

[@davidmartinez52420]

It's been said that the evidence of his statutory rape was so strong that he would've easily been convicted had he been charged and tried, and that that was why he agreed to the ban so he can avoid prison time for that

[@loganclayton2875]

i’ve never had an “opinion” per say on pete rose being in the hall of fame or not. always found it kinda annoying that he has all of these fan boys who make these wild apples to oranges comparisons, while he’s right there with him screaming the same thing he always has. great video, and great insight on why he’s not in. i’ve been enjoying your videos for close to a year now.

[@AndThatsBaseball]

Glad you enjoyed! And yeah, I was pretty much in the same boat as you, but Rose and his contingent going on social media and talking about the Ohtani situation set me over the edge. Zero facts all feelings with that crew.

[@ianstratton]

You forgot to mention that Pete Rose also had a stupid haircut.

[@restock_1731]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Great video.

[@choosecarefully408]

"Commissioner Giamatti died..." Here's a great topic for you to cover next, "If You Dare." Giamatti had announced he was going to hold a major press conference about an important issue days before he died. The timing makes me suspect he was going to blow the whistle on the steroid issue. The fact that no one ever followed up on this at the time makes this suspicious. & possibly dangerous to look into. But I wanted to put it out there.

[@ichironca]

Unfortunate timing yes on Giamatti’s death, suspicious no. He died of a heart attack. If anything you can blame Rose for his passing. The decision to ban him for life undoubtedly caused enough strain that affected his health, leading to his demise

[@blaynerichardson3529]

During the all star game he said he did that cause his dad was in the front row and if he didn’t do that his dad would’ve beat his @$$

[@7294smk]

He was a great player. He should be in the Hall of Fame. Just because he is an asshole there is a long line of them in the MLB.

[@fuzzybutterballggg3788]

Good video. I completely disagree with it, but you made good arguments.

[@TacoCatTim]

Love the clip of the Orioles homer hose

[@mofny]

Keep Pete Rose out. This is a rare case where subjectivity overpowers objectivity.

[@ConradMcIntosh-nr7cr]

I don’t think it’s reasonable to believe a word of what Rose says. Someone who continues to change their story decades after the fact will always be hiding something imo

[@samthompson7821]

his ego overshadows his greatness pete rose used to be on my dads favorite players that wasn't a pirate now that all the stuff came out and happened he hates him

[@user-mr4oc4kt8q]

Should be in the HALL!!!!!

[@aVerveQuest]

Shoeless Joe Jackson definitely should get in before Rose ever does

[@tjhookit]

When he admitted to gambling on baseball he was asked if he ever bet against his team. Pretty sure any body language expert would conclude that he was lying out his ass when he said no.

[@t206kid]

Pete Rose has always been about Pete Rose, his teammates like Joe Morgan didnt want him in the Hall among others. I dont have a problem if he goes in or not, but the fan boy Rose fans are just too much

[@averageyoutubeenjoyer6886]

Wasn't expecting to hear the Black Ops 2 main menu music, but here we are 🔥

[@AndThatsBaseball]

Watching the video back, that music really adds to the gravity. Love the intensity and nostalgia

[@BobHose]

Ohtani=better Mookie=bookie

[@michaelfriedl]

I like your channel and your analysis, but I disagree on Pete and the HOF. Sure Pete is and was a jerk. So are lots of guys in the HOF. I also don't care if he is ever reinstated by MLB to manage or work in any capacity. But the HOF adopting their rule to exclude him was a bait-and-switch. He never would have agreed to the ban had that rule been in place. Indeed, I doubt whether Bart Giamatti would have gone along with that had he lived. Further, Pete was never going to be a HOF manager, just like Tommy Lasorda was not a HOF player. Pete was banned when managing. Banning a player from the HOF for the actions of a manager is wrong, even if that manager is the same person. Shoeless Joe was never banned from the HOF despite his banishment for his involvement in the Black Sox scandal. He simply didn't receive the necessary support from the voters. MLB is doing this not out of principle but out of spite. Pete is an unrepentant jerk who will shill anything for cash. But he was also a transcendent player that deserves to be enshrined. Or at least have a chance on the ballot.

[@bigbearkat2010]

Back in the day, I had been on his side. When he published that book though, that's when I lost all respect for him. Then that interview he did where he finally admitted it on camera really pissed me off. I'll always remember him saying his mistake was not coming clean earlier. Not that he gambled, not that he bet on his own games, not that his actions put a black eye on the Reds and the MLB for years but that he was dumb enough to deny for so long.

[@MC_Tickle]

ATB to Rose is like Kendrick to Drake 😂😂

[@AndThatsBaseball]

Say, Pete, I hear u like em young

[@neonfroot]

​@@AndThatsBaseball Hebegynophilia is a common pathology amongst men. In fact, I wouldnt be surprised if alot of statutory rape victims initiated.

[@waynohasleftthebox947]

sorry, here is one thing I HAVE TO disagree........................................................Ichiro is the TRUE HITS KING!!

[@nwebster84]

I disagree with you on one point. Baseball was absolutely moralizing gambling, along with all other sports leagues. They tolerated what they legally couldn't stop, but vehemently opposed all sports betting until they realized how much money they could make. Even their tolerance had a financial angle (NFL injury reports). He should get into the Hall after he dies. MLB should tell him on his deathbed that he'll never get in, and 5 minutes after he's declared dead, the HOF should announce a change of policy permitting him on the ballot.

[@Mack-bc4qo]

Rose = GOAT.

[@gakster29]

Point 1 is one of the maddening things I have ever seen, made by ESTABLISHED legacy media folks. As a philosopher and a teacher of critical thinking, it makes me really depressed, tbh. It's "inconsistency by vibes" WHICH IS NOT AN EFFING THING. Not only does the permissibility of fans gambling not transfer, but it's even more rational for a sports league, with a vested interest in sports books, to combat match fixing. Casual bettors will not bet on your sport if they believe it's fixed. Casinos don't let their table game dealers bet on any table games for this reason.

[@AndThatsBaseball]

Exactly, and I’ve been seeing it literally everywhere. There were definitely dozens of unknown cases of players throwing games for illegal bookies before we had regulated gambling. It’s not gonna increase now with all the eyes on them.

[@thomaspaine374]

Injecting steroids also stained the game.

[@Vincentovich89]

The all time hits leader does deserve to be in the hall. And Barry Bonds is the greatest hitter of all time (.600 on base percentage for a season......)

[@J.C...]

Barry Bonds is a cheater. He ain't the best anything except the best cheater.

[@Vincentovich89]

His stats both pre and post steroids say he is the best. Btw, he is the home run king. Get over the steroid era. Part of that time period.

[@charlesdoyle3630]

@@Vincentovich89 Bonds was good before the steroids but not the best. The only reason he has more walks is because he was a threat at the plate. Rickey Henderson was a bigger threat in my eye because he leads MLB in lead off homeruns. His ability to basically steal a base whenever he wanted it. Personally I would want at least 5 players with tenacity and drive of Henderson over Bonds any day.

[@bradysommer5607]

Before watching this video, I believed Pete Rose belonged in the Hall of Fame. After watching this video and doing some deep thinking I came to the conclusion that Pete Rose deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. I understand why some of the points can be unconvincing but not betting against your own team as a player but betting on them to win is a convincing argument. His stats prove it as he is the all time hits leader and has the most 200 hit seasons. He also won three world series including a world series mvp. He never bet against his own team and I also read his autobiography where he makes it clear that he was someone who hated to lose and hustled all the time. His on the field accomplishments are enough to get him in the hall of fame and I still believe he is deserving of it. This is my opinion and I understand if other dont like it. Pete Rose is one of if not the greatest hitter of all time and it's a shame that he hasnt been inducted into the hall of fame.

[@brentw0681]

The b02 music in the background ❤❤. Best cod game ever. Good times