MLM HORROR STORIES #38 | Dangers of Juice Plus, Plexus rep claims it cures diabetes

[@HannahAlonzo]

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[@libertymedicalcommunicatio4908]

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[@HannahAlonzo]

@@libertymedicalcommunicatio4908 Thank you so much! I'm so grateful.

[@furiscafynn6275]

I just wish to add: 46:12 - it's not buttering up, I completely agree with people who say you're well-spoken, kind and sweet. You exude that sort of presence, and I personally enjoy having a video of yours in the background sometimes with some soft music as I do work/chores. I know I'm not alone in this either - I think we just want you to know how amazing you are at this and wish to support you as best we can in continuing your work. I live in a country where MLM's don't thrive as much, but I spotted an Avon table in my shopping centre the other week that looked interesting, but because I'm more informed since listening to these videos, I just carried on without stopping. I would never want my own money to go towards supporting a horrendous business system in any way. Thank you for your hard work

[@MC-vd5kp]

I truly hate these stupid, unwanted product pitches with each video. What ironie !!! The creator criticizes the selling tactics if MLMs yet she is constantly shoving products down our throats for which SHE gets a profit if we buy ! What is the dif bn this and MLM ??

[@tabulous77]

Ok, I’m just going to say it: the parents of the writer of the vitamin A overdose absolutely failed her. Not for giving her vitamins and trying to help her health, but because her pain was shrugged off, and after an accurate diagnosis was made, chose to keep quiet and hush their child because that was more important than warning others.

[@eli6708]

and that after all this time, she’s still in it. How could you choose an mlm over your own child…

[@EvanBear]

The ER doctor failed her too. If he correctly diagnosed her, she could have had less damage to her optical nerve.

[@TheThriftyBroad]

I totally agree. Her parents chose their comfort and that huns ability to make money over their daughters safety. That makes me sick. My mother did the same thing but it was not MLM related but at the end of the day any parent choosing their comfort over the safety of their child is not doing a good job.

[@baby.yogurt]

exactly, it hurt to hear that no one believed that she could have been in such severe pain, like she was exaggerating, or since she was a child she couldn't possibly understand her own experience.....that kind of parenting causes so much harm. I'm glad she ended up mostly okay in the end, but her story was so sad. she deserved better

[@BBAN81]

Yes. 100% shame on the parents.

[@lilrosetattoo]

“So sad people have chemical dependencies.” Like being addicted to over priced pink drink and supplements. The hun is strong with this one.

[@leahsanders798]

People who say thing like this are enraging. It's not even just the hypocrisy they don't realize they're exhibiting. It's the whole "I'm so glad I don't have to take KiMuhKilLz everyday". Well ain't that grand for you that you don't need to. I need to. I'm not exactly thrilled about it, but glad science has come far enough that I can live a pretty normal life.

[@lalasarchive1]

Not to mention that literally every single thing on earth has a chemical in it. It's just becoming a fear-mongering buzz word that "naturalists" like to use to sound smart

[@tinycrimester]

i know it's awful, i'm addicted to oxygen and H2O. it's ruining my life!!

[@catlover2223]

@@tinycrimester Gotta watch that dihydrogen monoxide. That stuff can kill you if you breathe it in. Lol!

[@elizabethparsons1071]

And it's a hormone!!

[@Maowcat4662]

Has anyone else noticed how much the writers of the stories seem to apologize? Every time I hear something along the lines of "I'm sorry this is so long" I just want to hug them and thank them for telling their story. I know I'm just listening and I don't have to read them out loud, but your words and your experience matter. Please never be sorry for sharing your story and for taking up space in this world, you deserve to be heard. Thank you Hannah or creating such a wonderful space for people to tell their stories.

[@Keshlynne]

I had a pastor a few years ago who finally admitted that he had cancer and was getting treatment to the congregation, so to bear with him during that time. A lady who hadn't been attending that long caught up with him after church, and I only overheard the conversation because I was standing nearby and needed to ask a question about Sunday School curriculum. The lady asked him if he had heard of Juice Plus and went into the pitch before he really had a chance to respond. My pastor let her talk for a couple minutes before interrupting her and stating, "Yes, I have heard of Juice Plus, and it's not going to cure my cancer." He then thanked her for her concern and turned quickly to myself and another lady to address our curriculum questions. By the way, he went through full chemotherapy and has been in remission for about five years. I just remember how quickly he handled the woman, and while she took insult to it, I felt like he handled it with grace.

[@lacedhexes]

It's actually strongly not recommended to not take certain vitamins, especially during chemotherapy. I'm surprised how these people are not scared suggesting and selling supplements like candy, some people will definitely have problems when taking large amounts.

[@MarshWaha]

Good for the pastor smart move and well played.

[@catstickler]

The first story horrified me. When I was diagnosed with ovarian cancer, a friend tried to tell me to not get *invasive surgery* and to just take her supplements instead. Another tried to sell me Kangen water because pure water was the cure, and I laughed because I was making about $900/month. (I also had coaches tell me to ✨️manifest✨️ a cure instead of being so negative, which will "make the cancer grow.") It's so disgusting. Edit: I'm happy to report I have been cancer-free from ovarian and cervical cancer for 3 years now! And it was from actual medical science. :)

[@ellasoriginalchannel9713]

So amazing you are doing great now hon!! 🩷 These vultures are disgusting.

[@stashiatracy]

This gave me Belle Gibson and Whole Pantry vibes. She claimed to have terminal cancer, started organic eating, claimed her diet “cured her,” and sold a recipe book and diet/fitness plan specifically to gravely ill people losing hope. People DID die. People DID leave their cancer treatment plans. She never had cancer. Same vibe with Plexus telling people to abandon their INSULIN!

[@leahsanders798]

Oh yeah. She's the absolute worst of them all. Sad thing is, all these people shilling "natural" remedies and pseudoscience are just less successful versions of her, by and large.

[@Mama_Bear524]

Sickening

[@catlover2223]

Preach!

[@catz7679]

As a kidney cancer survivor, that ticks me off. I am in a cancer group and we are always getting pitched "alternative" medicine to cure it. It won't. Studies have shown it will increase your chance of death by 200%. I usually post the study right under what they post.

[@leahsanders798]

@@catz7679 I'm so sorry people try and use your illness as a way to predate you. As if things aren't hard enough.

[@yesiamsharon]

Vitamin A toxicity from over consumption is well documented and this is why reputable brands do not keep high amounts in their supplements. I remember them covering it on a episode of 20 20 probably over 20 years ago.

[@uniquegeek2708]

I don't recall what vitamin was, but an in-law was going insane with her toddler not sleeping. Did Dr appts etc and wasn't given much helpful advice. Then she took her to a naturopath. When she mentioned what it was, alarm bells went off in my head, but I couldn't place why. Googled it, and yeah... "Health Canada's toxic dose for this age range is X. He is literally poisoning your kid." At least it was early on and she stopped right away. Young parents and smart, but sleep deprived for months and desperate makes them easy pickings for people who don't fully understand what they're pushing.

[@breannaculpepper9938]

“If you have to sell me an opportunity, it’s probably not a good one.” NEEDS to be on merch. That was said so beautifully!!!

[@libertymedicalcommunicatio4908]

The confusion between Types I and II diabetes has created mountains of badness.

[@mleytem]

So true! And gestational diabetes.

[@LlamaLlamaMamaJamaac]

YES!! They are two totally different diseases…. One can potentially be helped with lifestyle modifications (how many carbs does the pink drink have though? I actually don’t know) - one is a guaranteed death sentence with lifestyle modification ALONE

[@RosilindJukic]

Yes, I came here just to say that, too. It's not hard to understand, though, if one takes just a few minutes to understand. One cannot go into remission, the other can with diet and lifestyle changes (also, no MLM required for this!!)

[@Odd_Bunny]

That second story was just heartbreaking. Her parents completely failed her, sadly I'm not shocked she was shrugged off. To then tell her not to tell anyone else was almost the worst part, they cared more about their relationship with this woman than their own child. That's so unbelievably sad for the writer.

[@ivorellarackley4401]

"IT IS OKAY TO LEAVE. ANY TIME, ANY PLACE, ANY COMPANY YOU KEEP." My dad used to always tell me that.

[@kindkendracreates]

I don’t know if I’m more shocked by the MLMer vilifying insulin or the child almost going blind. Good God! Juicy content as always!

[@whitneyr.846]

If someone wants to improve gut health, just eat more fermented food. Yogurt, sourkrout, kambucha, etc. That is the most "natural" way to add more good bacteria to your digestive tract without taking out a second mortgage.

[@MissCandiDandi]

"50 shades of downline cuts" has to be the single best line I have ever heard when discussing MLM product prices 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@eckilla]

In reference to the second story: I found out a few years back that gummies are basically the worst form of vitamins to take because it can be so easy to overdose or underdose. Since they make the gummy mixture in a big batch, they’re basically dividing the mixture by how many gummies are made & using the expected average levels of vitamins on the nutrition label. There is no way to guarantee any one gummy will have the exact same amount as another gummy unless each gummy is mixed & made individually. It’s like making a dozen cupcakes and saying each individual cupcake has 3 tbsps of sugar; it’s impossible to know because you didn’t add the sugar to the individual cupcake, you added it to the mixture and then separated that mixture into cupcakes. I also learned that vitamins in general aren’t necessary for the average person. Most physicians say that unless you have been tested and have a specific vitamin deficiency, taking vitamins in general is usually excess, will not be absorbed, and will be urinated out. I wish there was better education about vitamins especially with the growing accessibility of social media and the ease of spreading misinformation.

[@eragonarya225]

To add to that: Some vitamins (including Vitamin D, A, E, and K) are NOT water soluble/eliminated in urea, and get stored in your liver and fat cells until you need them, so they can build in toxicity if you’re taking them in excess. CNN covered the story of a UK man who ended up in the hospital for eight days trying to lower his blood calcium levels, a side effect of overdosing on vitamin D. (I know Hannah’s mentioned taking vitamin D supplements in the past so I figured those overdose risks were important to add on)

[@Subtletext]

@@eragonarya225 it's a very simple blood test to check your Vit D levels. There's no reason to take it unless you're actually low - however many people are low and it's vital to have appropriate levels for so many of the body's systems.--- Get your level tested everyone! Especially in Australia where there's tons of sunshine but a lot of low levels + it's free to get testing.

[@Mama_Bear524]

I didn’t realize that but it makes so much sense

[@eckilla]

@@eragonarya225 oh *wow* you know I’ve heard something about some vitamins being dangerous but never really knew the details like that! That’s good to know; I always thought the excess was just wasted and urinated out!

[@adrianghandtchi1562]

I’m so glad I strayed from gummy vitamins always thought vitamins should be like candy. Vitamins are serious business.

[@amandareasons7460]

I love hannah’s hun-sona, when she puts on the voice for when they talk

[@mittenista]

My hunsona is a sparkling pink wolf with a Tragic Back Story involving essential oils and magical water. Edit: I really want someone to make a role playing game Haters and Hunbots where hunsonas can battle the haters.

[@abigaelmacritchie1365]

When you said F*** politeness, it reminded me of this one time when I went to a contemporary music show ina local theatre and it just... wasn't great. I had a cold and kept coughing, so I kept drinking little sips of water to stop the cough, and of course halfway through the (very long) concert, I needed the toilet. I was sat in the middle of the tow of seats and I knew I'd have to bother everyone but I just needed to pee so much, I sucked it up and got up and left the theatre room. Many, many people followed and once we were out they all thanked me and said they hated the play but didn't dare to leave until I did. I just think that's hilarious that my desperately needing a pee accidentally empowered a bunch of people to not sit through a pretentious play to seem polite and intellectual 🤣

[@cozycasasmr4510]

I love this 🤣

[@ellasoriginalchannel9713]

What an adorable story

[@the_Sarahnator]

Hi Hannah, I started my new (corporate) job today where everything was supplied to me for freeeee and I didn't have to pay anything to start work. This was nice to watch during my afternoon of boring training documents!

[@maryeckel9682]

You poor abused soul stuck in 9 to 5 hell 🤣🤣

[@Em22-wtf]

😂😂😂 I was so confused reading this at first.... Omg lol so funny!!!

[@judyyougotthis]

As the mother of a type 1 diabetic daughter, let me tell you that teenagers with type 1 are more likely than the general population to have an eating disorder….from trying to control a disease they just can’t, to trying to meld in with the crowd, to having people they don’t even know come up to them saying “should you be eating that?!” -(don’t ever say that to ANYONE, by the way)- the story about the type 1 boyfriend hit me HARD. I’ve had my own experiences with MLMs and try to educate her as best as her age allows…but this opened my eyes to another area we need to cover. Thank you all!

[@LydiaTaylorMusic]

I have a close friend who is type 1 as a result of battling Lyme disease as a child; his parents didn't understand that it wasn't his fault despite doctors trying to explain this to them. They caused him to have an eating disorder by hiding all the food in the house, encouraging excessive exercise and refusing to pay for insulin. Our friend group had to help keep him alive because of his family's ignorance on the disease.

[@maryeckel9682]

@@LydiaTaylorMusic that's incredible and so abusive! Glad he had good people to help him.

[@glitterglucose]

I also have type 1 so the story was hard to listen to! I get targeted so much online by huns who found me through diabetes related hashtags

[@Liam_Phoenix]

There's one caveat to that, if you KNOW they're 100% allergic to something and the thing they're about to eat has the thing they're allergic to in it, but that's the ONLY way you're okay with eating it

[@naomithomson2975]

I was diagnosed with pseudo tumor cerebri at 13. I still have migraines that can lead to seizures. I wasn’t part of an mlm, but I know the immense ,debilitating pain that she went threw I am so pissed, I feel awful for her. No one deserves what she went threw.

[@bridgetw8688]

I’ve had migraines since childhood but wasn’t diagnosed until last year (35 now), but there’s no quality of life when living with the symptoms of this. Being in constant pain that people can’t verify and see, it’s even worse. They act like it’s not real when it’s unbearable.

[@Richhpotato]

Wow I e had it since 15 I now have a shunt to mange mine. I never knew so many others have this illness I’ve always feel so weird and alone.

[@ellasoriginalchannel9713]

That is horrific! I have had cronic pain too for years, finally healing. I saw this medical video on KZbin about hypnosis being often an effective and safe treatment for migraine, since all pain is caused by brain. Recommend searching that.

[@grcrln]

Thank you so much for sharing my story on your platform, Hannah. Knowing that tens of thousands of people now know about the dangers of vitamin overdose is so empowering and incouraging. This has been a huge step forward in my healing process. Keep up the good fight. ❤️

[@dqverify6797]

I’m so glad you’re doing better now, and so furious on your behalf. I really hope the condition never returns, and that you keep telling your story. Thank you so much for sending it in. My daughter takes a (legit, quality) gummy vitamin twice a week, but I’m thinking now maybe we should halve that.

[@zr9145]

Literally went to check how much I'm taking 🙃

[@mol7825]

Maybe I’m just a b*tch 😂 but the amount of patience and tolerance the people in these horror stories have for these MLMs huns when they are doing crazy or horrible things to them or people they know honestly shocks me. Props to you guys because I would lose my sh*t at these people and tell them where to go…

[@kristyrussell1748]

Right?!

[@rachellee7735]

Yes…”eff politeness and call your Dad, you’re in a cult” SSDGM I have been watching Anti MLM, particularly Hannah and CC since I quit all of the scams. I am a former Mary Kay consultant, Zyia Rep and Optavia Coach. Optavia is by far the worst and most dangerous. I volunteer at a barn taking care of trail horses. I was shocked but prepared when I was pitched the “financial advisor services” from a couple I met recently. Is no where sacred? The barn is my absolute happy place. I held my ground asking about the name of the company and what their IDS looked like. I find myself not volunteering as much to avoid them. That changes tomorrow. I’m very protective of the barn and I need to make sure they don’t scam an already struggling organization. Thank you for the confidence to get back out there. Crazy the correlation between my story in horse arena and the story about the financial advisor story.

[@camm5245]

Man I'm actually sobbing for this poor kid. I grew up with a chronic illness and my entire childhood was spent in and out of hospitals. It's something nobody should have to go through.

[@ThexBerserkerxChick]

As a Type 1 Diabetic, I am HORRIFIED. Going off insulin will send you into DKA (Diabetic Ketoacidosis) which is VERY VERY dangerous. I've gone into DKA a few times (being a stubborn teenager who didn't want to take care of myself) and it is awful. Throwing up straight stomach acid is not enjoyable. Also every T1D is different! What works for you may not work for others! Always talk to your doctor! It frustrates and worries me when people turn to Facebook for advice. You can call a hospital and ask to talk to a nurse in the endocrine department for help. Huns really scare me, man.

[@ChlorineVincent]

I’m type 1 diabetic and this is what I tell everyone who tries to give me “advice”… ‘If ____ was a cure, don’t you think everyone would use it? Why would insulin still be on the market if ____ would fix my pancreas? Diabetes wouldn’t be a problem if ____ got rid of it.’ Very annoying.

[@angbrit]

I was diagnosed with Idiopathic intracranial hypertension at 27 - I can't imagine an 11 year old child having to go through that pain and hopelessness waiting for a diagnosis. While listening to this, as soon as I heard optic nerves, headaches, and vitamin A , I knew it was IIH. I am on my way to remission, but I understand the lifelong worry of recurrence. I wish that person well and good health.

[@saphira2323]

My best friend has pseudotumor cerebri. She has had a migraine for literally 4+ years straight. Literally the only thing that has keeps her from being in bed 24/7 is medical marijuana. I’ve seen the effect that condition has and the fact that mlm products have caused others to experience that kind of pain absolutely infuriates me 😡

[@DoingStuffWithDiana]

I haven’t gotten this far in the video; I’m scared 😭

[@soggytortillla]

that is heartbreaking 😣

[@for_films_sake]

Losing weight, checking for parasites (seriously), and limiting sugar can eliminate the condition. I've known people who had internal parasites that caused the swelling. A round of dewormer and the problem is gone. I hope your friend can figure out what is causing her issue and resolve it. The meds often prescribed for it change taste buds and make some foods and drinks taste bad . :(

[@bridgetw8688]

The only thing that helped me is medical intervention with having a LP shunt surgical implanted.

[@Richhpotato]

@@bridgetw8688 same! I just got my shunt a couple years ago. I’m so amazed to see how many others have this illness I always felt so isolated

[@lionfish2201]

Yes! Sitting on the balcony, working on my wedding dress and listening to MLM horror stories. Perfect morning!

[@DoingStuffWithDiana]

Ooooh you making it ? 😳💕

[@kristyrussell1748]

Love that!!

[@lizsun261]

making your own wedding dress?? thats awesome! congratulations:)

[@lionfish2201]

@@DoingStuffWithDiana crocheting. Which was a great idea last October, but now I question my sanity. Good news is that I have had plenty of time to listen to Hannah’s videos while I work on it!

[@lionfish2201]

@@lizsun261 thanks!!

[@1alayzzia]

There's a huge difference between civility and submission. You can be civil to someone, AKA polite, without submitting to their demands.

[@elisemcpherson2481]

I agree that it’s pretty clear-cut! I’m a doctor and let’s just say that if there was a board question with the combination of headaches, vision changes, sketchy supplement (and yes, being overweight) we would all hit “pseudotumor cerebri” and be on to the next question in 5 seconds. By the way Hannah, A+ pronunciation! This is a good reminder for those of us in healthcare to make sure we know EVERYTHING our patients are ingesting. A lot of patients won’t even think to mention vitamins/supplements with their meds unless explicitly asked.

[@maryeckel9682]

Around here, my practitioners have started asking about supplements, and it's a good trend. I only supplement things I have tested low on anyway, but I know there can be interactions.

[@Keshlynne]

This is so interesting. I was recently diagnosed with idiopathic intracranial hypertension. What caused the symptoms to exacerbate was that I had lost almost 40 pounds in six weeks (intentional through diet and exercise), but I've been overweight for a LONG time (no reason to deny it, it's the truth). The ER doctor that made the diagnosis did ask me about supplements (I'm only on vitamin D), and I didn't think about it, but now I wonder if that was part of the reason. I had already lost most of my peripheral vision, since I thought I was just treating chronic migraines I put it off for a long time. I will probably be getting a shunt sometime in the next few months based on what the lumbar punctures show (I don't understand all of it, but I've had two, and my pressure was in the 30's both times).

[@bridgetw8688]

I’ve had migraines since I was a child and didn’t get diagnosed with pseudotumor cerebi until last year.

[@ellasoriginalchannel9713]

Thank you for being one of the few doctors, who actually care about their patients.

[@marygraham6966]

Knowing that vitamin A is fat soluble and therefore not excreted in your urine when there's too much in the body, may be a clue as to why the 11 year old girl experienced such a toxic build-up, as she says she was "not thin". If she had more body fat than average, soaking up the excess vitamin A, that may explain why it affected her but not her friends who she says "were thin". Probably over-simplified, but a possibility.

[@dqverify6797]

I wondered if she was also eating higher quantities of foods with Vitamin A as well-not blaming her or implying all she did was eat or something, just that she might not have needed a vitamin with as much Vit A or other nutrients to begin with.

[@AmRose-pr4wn]

I enjoy that you're videos aren't fun of loud sound, don't fluctuate and it's calming listening to you and your intelligent opinions. Also even kitties are around you acknowledge them and that's so precious, then sitting in your lap is calming too.

[@blazedgoddess710]

Wow I have pseudotumor cerebri. And have since I was 12 now 32, I was told there isn't much known other than its spinal fluid getting trapped between the optic nerve and brain causing headaches and blindness if not drained (bi weekly spinal taps) and a shunt placed in my head, that failed and caused another surgery to remove. I was told that weight loss also helps so my insurance approved weight loss surgery at 17 (i was 5'1 300+lbs). But I was taking Juice+ as well since I was 9 at weight watchers (thanks mom). After losing 200lbs I only need spinal taps every few months and was able to restore any vision I had lost. now I'm in tears I've never heard anyone outside my doctors office mentioned this condition. Thank you Hannah

[@bonesandhearts5683]

Wow that sucks! Two spinal taps a week?? Jesus! My brother used to get spinal taps twice a year and every time he got them he’d be violently ill, so much so that once we had to take him to the ER because he couldn’t keep anything down for days. I’m glad it’s not as frequent now but that’s awful. A quick google search definitely yielded some results about vitamin A overdose and pseudotumor cerebri. I really wonder if both of you got it because of juice plus. That’s really a wild coincidence given how rare the condition is and honestly how few people actually grew up taking juice plus. I wonder if there’s a class action lawsuit in there somewhere 🤔 you guys definitely deserve it.

[@kadeelacayo4806]

It’s insane that it took that long for doctors to ask what medications she was on. RE: overdosing on vitamins. When I was pregnant I had horrible heartburn I ate extra strength tums like candy. My dr immediately told me to cut back so I wouldn’t have a calcium overdose. I had no clue

[@CarboneCat]

Story #2: Poor OP. This is crazy that you’ve went through all this. Thank you for sharing your story because it could serve as a warning and opened the discussion that many supplements aren’t regulated and it can cause harm.

[@schrdngrskat3847]

I don't think any supplements are regulated by the FDA, so it's hard to know which ones are actually helpful. I always wonder if they do anything, but I have had a couple actually make a difference on my blood work.

[@kimberlybaldridge5767]

OMG my aunt used to push juice plus as essential to health. What did the founding fathers do without their juice plus!?!

[@DoingStuffWithDiana]

Lolol I love how Hannah’s eyes got when she talked about her spice cabinet. She said “ my spice cabinet looks SO GOOD 8D *closed fists in pure excitement*” 🤣

[@justinmabee4791]

Just wanted to let you know I searched anti-mlm on KZbin (on my husband's laptop so no previous preferences of mine influenced the feed) and you were the first suggestion!!!! Yass queeeeeen!! so happy for you! I love your videos!! Sincerely, my phone died haha

[@LisaHarvey16]

I agree Hannah is great 🙂

[@melissaj1310]

Okay wow. This one was a doozy!!!! To the person from the first story: Please please PLEASE report your former friend to Plexus compliance for making dangerous medical claims. I cannot believe her audacity to say the things she did. And to the person who almost lost their vision because of Juice Plus products: I am so sorry that the adults in your life did not do the right thing and report your case to the company. You deserved better.

[@petragronqvist628]

When you talked about anxiety and panic attacks; I feel you. ❤

[@carolsummers8734]

Me too. I began severe panic attacks in the 70s. I tried all kinds of vitamins, tricks, read books, etc. The cure for me was a psychiatrist and medication.

[@EvanBear]

My optic nerves didn't develop properly due to septo-optic dysplasia but I was born like this so I am used to it. To think that someone could lose their vision to the extent that I have while being aware of that process and being told over and over that it's not an issue and that you can't actually have that much pain or those issues is absolutely terrifying.

[@coracade7940]

As a hun attempting to foster children,where Type 1 diabetes diagnoses typically happen before kids hit double digits, is terrifying. Just announce you won't be listening to your foster's medical needs at any point.

[@pattipeters9861]

Exactly! I’ve always said, it’s time we stop being polite to rude people! THEY started it!

[@ChristopherSadlowski]

I almost leapt out of my chair and ran outside when she said taking insulin for Type-1 Diabetes is a "chemical dependency"!!!

[@Truenorth747]

Medical professional here. Yes, in some instances, Vitamin A toxicity can cause PCI (Pseudotumor Cerebri Syndrome). There are several documented cases in literature, easy to find online. There is additional elevated risk in people with higher BMI , when they take supplements with high Vitamin A content. Most of the time these supplements are not the usual, controlled ones from the drugstore. This is where MLMs and shady weight loss supplement sellers enter the chat. ALWAYS consult a medical professional before taking any supplements!

[@autumnmoyet2531]

Oh my goodness. The juice plus story. 😭😭 I’m a nurse and appalled by this. How horrible for this girls childhood to be ruined by an mlm. 💔💔

[@LynnsYouTube]

Hey Hannah, If you want to branch out into something really similar, consider diving into the crazy, manipulative world of timeshares.

[@Brianybug]

My dad worked for Primerica as a contractor to teach the required insurance courses to help people pass the test to get their licenses. He worked for many years as an insurance claims investigator dealing with high dollar disability and accident claims for a different (real) insurance company. He also ironically taught ethics as well (which he thought was amusing). He knew the company was a scam but they paid him $25/hr to teach on weekends. This was post-retirement income so he obliged as long as he could. He said many of the students were so frustrating and seemed to have no idea what they were doing and had no drive to sell insurance or whatever the dream is that Primerica promises. I think he felt bad for them and hoped that at least a few would get a license and leave to work somewhere else. Thank you for all the great videos!

[@carolsummers8734]

My husband was in real estate and began with Primerica. He got his insurance license. We had no complaints with Primerica. My husband eventually went to work for a major insurance company, got securities licenses and went to work for a bank.

[@backgroundambience4373]

I understand that being an ER doctor is very stressful and difficult, but when they do, as the writer of the story said, a 'half-hearted' examination people can die. Earlier this year my mom ended up in the ER for a very serious, but fairly common health issue and she was misdiagnosed. This resulted in her being given medication for the wrong thing. A few days later her condition got so bad, to the point that she could not walk, that her primary doctor rushed to see her right away. Turns out the medication the ER doctor gave her for the issue he diagnosed her with would have been fatal for what was actually wrong with her if it hadn't been caught in time. It was so bad that my mom's doctor even went so far as to file an official complaint with the hospital over the ER doctor's almost deadly incompetence. I truly hope that the doctor who misdiagnosed this poor girl, who clearly had some seriously bad stuff going on, was reprimanded in some way.

[@piperjaycie]

I was sent home from A&E 3 times in 1 week. Until the headache I went for caused vomiting and seizures. I was diagnosed with first time, ear infection, second time sinusitis(had no symptoms of) third time, not giving meds or strong painkillers time to work! Fourth time diagnosed with encephalitis. I kind of get it because when in A&E multiple other people were also there for headaches. One guy walking around constantly while talking/yelling into his phone. A teenage girl with her grandmother who kept going to the receptionist to ask for wait times(which was 5/6 hours) After 2 hours her headache went away and they left. These types of people going to emergency make it so much more difficult for doctors and nurses and other patients to get the time, effort, and treatment they need and deserve.😔😔😔😔😔😔😔

[@EvanBear]

I've had issues with ER doctors before as well. Like that one time where I went to the ER because I couldn't breathe and my chest felt like it was exploding and they diagnosed me with anxiety and did an ECG to "calm me down" (I heard them talk about that in the background) and of course the ECG came up absolutely normal so they sent me home with "You have an anxiety attack". I spent the next week or so barely able to breathe until it was january and my regular physicist was available again. When he saw me and listened to my lungs he got absolutely furious at the ER because these symptoms were an obvious sign of my asthma worsening and I needed an increased dosage of my regular inhaler and an additional rescue inhaler and he was so angry because if they looked at my file they should've seen that I had asthma, correctly diagnosed me and prescribed me a stronger inhaler. Or even if they listened to my lungs they would've heard the whistling sound and all the mucus build up. He filed an official complaint as well.

[@corinaferrara1164]

What types of people would those be? I suffer from migraines and if it’s something your regular doctor can’t treat, because it’s outside business hours or because your normal treatments have failed, you are told to go to the emergency room for treatment. However if you suffer from chronic migraines you probably aren’t in hysterics, since you’re used to being in pain. The problem isn’t the patients, it’s the doctors who don’t want to treat difficult cases and tell everyone to go to the ER.

[@maryeckel9682]

@@EvanBear they didn't even notice you have asthma? Yikes

[@MrsMuffin11]

millions of people die due to medical malpractice every year. it's actually one of the leading causes of death in the US. fucking scary!!

[@AdventurousSpirit171]

Oh my gosh I had the exact same reaction when I was on juice plus! I literally had headaches all the time. After I quit I didn’t get them anymore.

[@LisaHarvey16]

They gave me headaches as well.

[@msmagsmn]

That first story...I can't believe the patience of the writer to not absolutely erupt at that Plexus hun. I know the vast majority of people in MLMs are victims of all the predatory tactics, but YIKES this is a hard one to not just excoriate for this dangerous misinformation!

[@NancySanchez.ibdr4u]

I remember joining Party Lite in 2002, and I also remember telling the lady (my upline and can’t remember her name), that I loved doing the parties, selling and the products, but I didn’t want to attend weekly meetings. They annoyed me and just wasn’t my thing. She said the meetings were so vital for business growth. I moved to a different state and didn’t find a local meeting. I was still growing but not recruiting people. It helped me meet new people because I used to not know anyone in this new city or even in this state. I eventually stopped doing it because I was too busy with full time school and full time job. I actually do miss doing home parties, but that was just the fun for me. I do have a crazy story of a time one of my neighbors wanted to do a party and turned out to be an apartment they used to sell drugs at. I couldn’t pack fast enough and then was scarred because they lived just around the corner. Only one person showed up to her party and the entire time they kept knocking the door, coming in, going to the bedroom and walk out with a bag. The first two times I was like “what’s happening?” But then another three people came in too. I got scared. I knew my neighbor was a stripper (she said stripper, but I think she worked at the brothel in the nearby town). Crazy time and after that I only went to people that were referred by someone else in the parties I had already held.

[@beckaboo3241]

The Juice Plus story is enraging. I had a friend years ago who sold it and posted on FB that her toddler got into it and ate a bunch. She was saying how glad she was that it was safe for him to do that.

[@CDForney]

I suffered many years ago from Pseudotumor cerebri. I was in USANA at the time and the supplements would give me worse headaches over time. I blamed it on the increased levels of vitamin A and stopped taking them. I feel so bad for this young woman 😢

[@erinesque1889]

I have a physical disability - I had dislocated my knee and it severed my nerve in the joint, causing me to have foot drop. I have had some people tell me that certain products can heal my severed nerve. I get so angry when I try to explain how nerves can’t just regenerate or be healed, and they won’t listen.

[@dancingappaloosa8926]

Hey Hannah, love your channel! Would love it if you could do a deep dive into Herbalife, its political lobbying, and its exploitation of the Latino community. This company is so shady, and it's so sad what it has done.

[@DaneCoCourtCapture]

In order to combat GERD, I was eating dozens of Tums a day. I ended up almost dying: calcium overdose, and kidney function at 5%. More is not better.

[@catlover2223]

I’m so glad you are ok! That is such an important point! Concentration is key. Even too much water can be toxic!

[@carolsummers8734]

Antacids are intended for occasional digestive upsets. Tums label says do not take for more than 2 weeks. I wonder how many people actually read labels.

[@melissapetzer3560]

As a type one diabetic. This type of ignorance is a daily occurrence. I just got back from a gym class where a lady told me she “got out of it” (referring to having diabetes i guess?) and that i should just “change my diet” its exhausting sometimes truly

[@robynneRN]

I have a new found respect for KZbin content creators after watching your channel. They are so clear, crisp, concise and right to the point. I love the organization of the videos, especially how the segments of the videos are outlined. It is so streamlined. I don't know why I felt the need to comment this but I really appreciate this, and makes me want to continue watching. I really LOVE your channel! (I came here for the anti-MLM content, I stayed for the pleasantries I associate with your channel!)

[@LisaHarvey16]

Hannah is totally organised 🙂

[@BloominFleury29]

@@LisaHarvey16 like her spice shelf lmaooo

[@theclownsystem9429]

I feel you with the anxiety issues and sound being helpful to you. Music is a huge coping mechanism for me. I listen and sometimes sing along to focus on something else and keep myself grounded.

[@HannahAlonzo]

Absolutely! I've found soundscapes, meditation, and singing along to music to all be extremely helpful techniques!

[@LittleSongBirdTales]

Hi! Coming here to say that I work in the Optical field and I can say that Pseudo Tumors are rare, so rare that I've only come across one in my 6ish years in this field. If these "supplements" can cause such a rare phenomenon.... this company should've been sunk forever ago.

[@georgiac.5352]

My friend used to sell vitamins for a company I’m pretty sure was an mlm. I bought some to support her, and ended up finding out I was overdosing myself on some vitamins, mostly biotin. I started randomly getting cyst like pimples on my face and my hair was falling out. It was actually a video on tik tok that helped me realize. This girl was talking about how awful some vitamin gummies are, and showed side effects of vitamin overdose. They were exactly my symptoms. I quit cold turkey and my skin cleared up, and my hair went back to the normal amount I was losing.

[@yvonned627]

I had a friend’s wife send me a fb friend request and I thought “oh how nice”… then I got the text and phone calls and constant posts regarding Plexus. This was before watching you but luckily I’m too old to continue. Thanks for your video that reaffirmed my doubts

[@LisaHarvey16]

Those messages are so obvious 🙂

[@naomitaitoko5745]

I’m a 42 year old Australian woman and chronic migraine sufferer with a genetic predisposition to migraines by certain amino acids. I started taking juice plus multivitamins to support a friend’s business and to get healthier because I had seen the benefits in her health. My migraines became worse. I was struck down 4-5 days a week, having to live on nerve blockers to get to my casual job and look after my kids. I could no longer go for runs or do my daily workouts. I would have to call my husband home early from work because the migraines were starting to affect my vision. I stopped taking the multivitamins and although I still get migraines, they’re not as intense or as often. I have since found out about the amino acid trigger and this is part of some of the fruits and vegetables and in the protein supplement of juice plus. I was met with disbelief of my experience when I cancelled my subscription because of my condition. I’m now wondering since watching this if I should also get my vitamin A levels checked since this could also be affecting me. We did get the kids gummies, but none of my kids liked them and I am so grateful now they didn’t take them. Thank you for sharing these experiences.

[@SparkleBarbieVideos]

I’m getting emotional and just cried because my friend made me buy juice plus and I asked her if I should ask my dr about it since I was pregnant and she said it’s just like prenatal vitamins and I ended up having a miscarriage… I just realize it was most likely the juice plus because I had two kids after I stopped taking it ..it made me not have kids for years

[@zataniagooden]

My sister has Pseudotumor Ceribri as mentioned in story 2!!! It was such a scary time for the family. She was blind for a while and could not walk... We never really got clear answers. She still hasn't gained her full sight back and that was when she was 18. She's now 40. We were not affiliated with any MLMs though.

[@kgal1298]

I used to sit by compliance when I worked at corporate, they generally do follow up with "coaches" that break compliance because it puts the company at risk of being sued.

[@Pharm2be]

As someone with severe digestive and cardiovascular related issues that have me bedridden right now while the doctors look for a diagnosis, Plexus sounds super enticing even knowing what I do. I shudder to think of where I’d be if I didn’t know anything.

[@catlover2223]

I’m so sorry you are going through what you are! This is where these guys get you! Plus, gut health is so complex. Everyone’s microbiome is a little different, dictated by a combination of the bacteria you got from your mother as a baby, the foods you eat, and your environment. On top of that, sometimes gut distress is not caused by having “bad” bacteria at all. Gut problems can be caused by an overactive immune system, a genetic disorder that causes too little mucus production or causes the connections between gut epithelial cells to be too weak to maintain good separation, a virus, etc. There is a reason doctors have to go to school as long as they do. There is no one size fits all. Anyway, sending good vibes and prayers! So glad you can see through the schemes of those who would prey on you during this time!

[@shalinimikos]

Another reason reps don’t want to give the website or product name, is the fear that the potential customer will just order on their own or purchase from Amazon. That would equal to = loss of commission/customer/ adding to down line

[@robinwhite4148]

People aren't being nice to butter you up. You are genuinely a pleasure to watch.your content is spot on and you seem to be a genuinely nice person. You enspire people to be kind

[@sulekhamane5653]

I would absolutely *love* a T-shirt with "F**k politeness" written on it 🤭

[@getjuliet]

This is fascinating--the one about the MLM disguised as a university "internship." I've never seen this at our university, and our students tend to expect a lot from any experience. I'm wondering if there's a social class that tends to be more vulnerable to these schemes. If so, that's even more disheartening.

[@ChristaQ]

Just want to say that I have been binging your content recently and I love all of it. Your approach to anti-MLM is incredible; you are so informative, not judgmental, and very charismatic. Plus, your cats are adorable. 😂 Thank you for doing what you do and consider me a fan!

[@ted8480]

So the swollen optic nerve story, is straight out of a usmle (medical board exam) test question. The fact that was done to a child is horrific.

[@Hufflebear]

It is so sad I have iih and her description was perfect bc that is exactly how it feels. I was like oh God too much vitamin A, she's going to get papilledema. Ended up like this in my 20s couldn't imagine it as a kid.

[@makeyasaywat7516]

I’ve noticed on Facebook that they post before and after photos with the “pink drink” and never mention what product or company they are with, they just say to PM them for more info😂

[@FloridasYesteryear]

When I was in college I sold Avon. It was when it was direct selling before it turned into an MLM. I didn't have an upline. I was never pressured to sign people up. I simply ordered the booklets and bags. Sometimes I ordered samples. My customer base was surprisingly male. But I would go around and ask the men at the college if they got the women in their lives gifts for all the major holidays and even kept track of birthdays and anniversaries for them. I was their favorite person because I made them look good. I worked well over 60 hours a week but I had a light school load and did not work a job. Also I was living with my mom and as long as I was in school I didn't have to pay anything like rent or utilities. But I eventually stopped selling because my customer base was graduating as was I. OH this was before the internet. I did have two people sell for me but I never asked them to sign up. I simply gave them a 10% discount on their own order. They didn't want to sign up and like I said there was no pressure to sign people up. So I was making some good money at the time. Skip forward 20 years. I am being inundated with MLM offers when I asked about work from home opportunities. Now instead of $10 to sign up for Avon it was $99 and I had to sign people up. So I passed. Mary Kay, Younique, Scentsy reps all tried to sign me up. I declined and had to block people because they wouldn't take no for answer. Had to explain that it didn't matter how good the product is the sales structure is not the same and I am not in the same situation that I was when I was in college. Looking at it now I would never do this again.

[@LynxieDove]

The poster with the landlord story, I have extreme anxiety as well, both social and clinical, and that would have enraged me. Not much that's worse for me then to go somewhere, not know anyone, not knowing what to expect, and worse yet, stuck because someone else is my ride. My free time is extremely precious to me, and for someone else to squander it, lol I would go scorched earth on their crazy ass.

[@cozycasasmr4510]

Thisssss. Can't stand it when others squander my minimal free time !

[@MrsMuffin11]

I never skip your sponsorships, I really love how you love the sponsors you choose to work with

[@salaltschul3604]

My response to that Primerica hun when we pulled up to NOT HER OFFICE would've been, "do you know what it's called when you take someone somewhere other than where you said you were taking them? Kidnapping. Take me home now."

[@accolade25]

The last story is so bizarre to me. I never had someone pitch something to a class while a student. I currently work at a university and we have a solicitation policy that prohibits that kind of activity, plus a non-compete clause with the campus bookstore operator that prevents alternate textbook site selling on campus. If anyone experiences this, I would recommend checking out your university policies to see if it's actually allowed, and campaigning for a policy change if it is.

[@TaylorX3]

I had the same psydo tumor as the woman in story 2. I had a migrane, ringing in ears and back pain for 2 weeks. I went to the er and they didn't know what was wrong.The next day I started loosing my sight rapidly. I had to have eye surgery, 2 week hospital stay and had 4 spinal taps. Honestly it was wild.

[@babyturkey8342]

There's nothing worse than being misdiagnosed by a doctor. When I had sepsis in 2020 I was misdiagnosed 3 times with sciatica. I ended up hospitalized for 2 months and had to learn to walk again...my trust in doctors has gone down so much and now when a doctor tells me I'm fine, I FIGHT for a 3rd opinion....doctors have to start listening to us when we say THIS. ISNT. NORMAL!! 😭😭 I'm so so so happy that person had a wonderful pediatrician and got help

[@juliac6256]

i spend about 6 hours on a train every week and these videos are a lifesaver for keeping me entertained during the trip. i always look forward to watching them on the ride lol. i don’t really have any mlm horror stories but im always on the lookout to avoid them. love the information that you’re providing!

[@meganrae2508]

We know we don’t need to butter you up with compliments, but we truly do appreciate and love you, your channel, and your cats! Para social relationships are strong (but not in a creepy way 😂)

[@mikaylabrewer8434]

Not me at 24 just finding out that I was taking a supplement that was an mlm 😅😅😅😅😅 like I took juice plus as a kid and the way my jaw just dropped when I heard that name. And like now I’m slightly reevaluating all my interactions with those people. And like they were also people in my church that got to my parents, and like I still remember going to their house and going to their meetings as a kid. Wow.

[@Nocturnalux]

I have serious problems with my eyes and that second story really resonated with me. Blaming a child for a health problem is absolutely horrifying. I am so sad she is still suffering from this, I can understand, all too well. It's not just problem itself but the fear of what it may happen consumes one's life. I have a feeling things would have gone horribly, horribly wrong with me if I were to take these supplements myself. It was sheer luck that I did not.

[@thicccemogf3488]

Absolutely crazy the parents were just like: nope don’t want to ruin this lady’s business, who cares if she could potentially blind other children 🤷🏻‍♀️ I would be FIGHTING someone if they did that to my child.

[@okiedokieartichokie772]

Lol I got tricked into a college class interrupting "internship". Showed up and then a few minutes in I got up and walked out. They were door to door book sellers

[@alexandrawilson-hodge2974]

Having an incredibly bad day and this is just what I needed to feel okay. Thanks Hannah ❤️

[@makeyoupretty]

I hope your day gets better💚💚

[@alexandrawilson-hodge2974]

@@makeyoupretty thank you so much ❤️

[@dolledupbyj]

Hope you will have a better day soon 💘

[@paulmaccaroni]

today's my birthday, therefore this is my present 😂

[@ChantalOfTheNorth]

I was at an MLM party of sorts a few years back. It was a skincare line I think. Anyway, the lady went off script and ranted about colloidal silver. She went so far as to suggest to one of the guests that colloidal silver could cure her lupus.... 😒

[@riseabove1256]

I have an unopened Plexus starter pack (still in the mailer) from like 5 years ago. I don't know why I've held onto it!

[@IraLuxuria]

Everyone with diabetes in a country like the US, where actual medication like insulin is so expensive, is vulnerable to these huns suggesting an alternative. That's sickening.

[@jenniferostenson8101]

One of the guys in my Army unit invited me out for a fun evening. He was supposed to pick me up and last minute asked me to drive myself since he was running late. Thank God I did since I left as soon as I knew it was a travel MLM. The presenter had the audacity to say in his presentation that if you thought it was a pyramid scheme, then you're an idiot. Nope, bye!

[@laurinasousa]

I cannot get enough of these MLM horror stories!!

[@katisanders611]

Holy shit.... I was also diagnosed with intracranial hypertension.. and never made a connection until now. 5 spinal taps, potential causes, dropped out if school, the works. I was 14, and never considered an outside supplement to be the cause. Binging this just changed everything.

[@livinicks]

I patiently await these uploads now after finishing the whole MLM playlist 🙇🏼‍♀️

[@LaraBee]

Wow that Plexus rep is super persistent in getting someone with Diabetes off insulin. Super dangerous and scary 😦