MLM HORROR STORIES #90 | Mary Kay rep tries to recruit her doctor, sketchy doTERRA behavior

[@carolinelreeves]

Oh my goodness! I’m the Caroline from the CVS horror story! Thank you for reading my story and all the support in the comments! I feel so famous!

[@Smag-wm4bx]

Wait..your the cvsTechnician? or your the person that was asked if you wanted a job? Was just going to say..mumms the word if you are the Technician

[@amypetersen1668]

@@Smag-wm4bxshe’s the one who had the tech contact her to try to sell her the makeup.

[@BasilissaKleo]

Your story is horrifying. We trust our pharmacists, our doctors to have our best interests in mind. I hope this hun has quit her MLM, knowing she nearly lost her job. You were right to change CVS, better safe than sorry!

[@gojiberry7201]

That is nuts. I definitely would have reported her

[@DracoTriste]

@@LilithPl3asant my research shows the max fine is $250,000, but that may be for each individual violation. It could be, depending on the judge and the lawyers, she could be charged the maximum fine per patient, potentially adding to over a million.

[@lillyvaughn5398]

Hannah, you’d be so proud! My son turned 18 recently so I had the “talk” with him and warned him about “business opportunities” and anyone asking him to join their teams. He said “oh like LulaRoe!” (I was involved in LulaRoe. He’s a pretty smart and intuitive person so I’m not too worried about him getting involved with them.

[@protomoon]

Honestly, the Cut Co story is a lesson in how to easily be removed from invites forever. Get invited to a presentation for an MLM? Show up with a raw chicken breast and kitchen shears (any brand) in your pockets and clock how quickly you get asked to leave. Being blacklisted would be worth touching the raw chicken.

[@esikazemese]

LOL

[@ChairmanChico]

“Falsifying lab reports.” Triggered medical lab scientist in the house. 😜

[@ladyv5655]

I suspect that the reason why they didn't interview OP is because of her experience working in a lab. They don't want people with that experience because such a person is a potential whistleblower. She could cause them a lot of trouble.

[@Shetooktothewoods]

I mean, if you’re testing for their own recipe for their own certification, it seems that whatever adulterants are present are there on purpose. That’s the beauty of making your own certification; you can fit the test to overlook the the crap you put in on purpose. 😂

[@alaynavega151]

Hello fellow triggered lab scientist lol

[@elsagreen1476]

Saying that during a job interview is CRAZY

[@annoyingslippers]

As a pharmacy technician, I’m floored. I can’t imagine risking my license for an MLM.

[@JKMama1920]

Also a tech here, the embarrassment I feel at just the thought of something like this is so bad.

[@annoyingslippers]

@@JKMama1920 second hand mortification, honestly

[@kathywendt4881]

My son just graduated from High School on May 11th. Less than 5 days later he got a letter in the mail from Vector I believe it was. It sounded familiar, so I googled it and was correct about it being about selling cutco. I already talked to him about MLM's so he is aware of them and we shredded the mailing. He got another letter 5 days after the 1st one. We both laughed and shredded it. I am angry how fast this "company" preys on young graduates. I really hope the school did not give out addresses. Being in a small town I bet it is not hard to come by this info. I am also educating my 15 yr old daughter about MLM's, so neither of them will become victims of these scams. I am very glad I found your channel.

[@alexanderhenby1362]

Cutco will show up to school job fairs under all sorts of names so they won't know its them till day of. And then ask kids to sign their sheet to spin a wheel or something to get "prizes" I have a pair of scissors and a knife sharpener from 2 different job fairs they were at at my college and I know friends who went to the bigger high school who got stuff from them from their job fair in high school. Cutco is kinda scary.

[@kathywendt4881]

@alexanderhenby1362 they are crazy and I wish they would go away. Thank God my son has a job that he likes. He now knows what to look for and he can run in the opposite direction.

[@amyspeers8012]

I am so surprised that CVS hun didn’t get fired. She totally violated HIPAA and those fines can get quite high!

[@sarahawke2633]

It's HIPAA

[@daftoptimist]

Me too. Being fired would probably have driven her further into the clutches of the scheme. I absolutely think she deserved to be fired, but this way it is more likely that she’ll learn from this experience.

[@LindsayStraw]

It's nice that the customer was kind and understanding about it, but I am genuinely shocked she wasn't fired, too. I like Hannah's take that giving her some grace hopefully kept her from going further down the MLM path, but I wouldn't blame CVS for taking a hard line stance one bit.

[@eldrichnemo9312]

It's tough to find techs for retail these days because of how poorly the industry was treated during COVID. Techs are still underpaid (probably why she's in an MLM and attempting to recruit!) and a lot left due to burnout and PTSD. I also assume the pharmacy doesn't want to go through being investigated by the state board for the HIPAA breach. Source: I'm a tech who thankfully no longer works in retail.

[@kaileyconner1123]

Yeah, it’s such an invasion of privacy. I’m a pharmacist and my hospital has a zero tolerance policy with any type of HIPAA violation.

[@sparrowhawk_lastname]

Technically, they're right that the ring finger has no muscles... Because none of the fingers have muscles in them. Fingers move using tendons which are connected to the muscles in the forearms! That's why when you wiggle your fingers you can see the tendons in your hand and wrist move.

[@nanaakua613]

accurate!

[@Glanzern]

Right but it is true that the connections to the ring finger are SHARED with other fingers, and it doesn't have its own. So it's not entirely untrue.

[@teamchikorita4life]

I'm finally caught up on the anti-MLM playlist. Now I don't know what to listen to on the daily...

[@Grant-wy4uu]

Just listen to it again!

[@roelinkabek9286]

Same!

[@crelgen1588]

You've gotta start all over relistening to them like the rest of us!😂

[@sabrinaburtscher7065]

same for me 😂

[@ProcrastinatingWanderer]

Same here

[@rebalspirit]

Oh my goodness! Im 64 years old and sat at the table of a Mary Kay presentation when I was 17(?) and was told that exact line about the ring finger having no or weak muscles, so use that one to apply your makeup. I'm intelligent but sadly, gullible too. 😅 I can't believe that I believed that. I mean, she wouldn't lie to us, right? Yes, sadly, I am prone to gullibility and that is how these huns get us They pray on our trusting nature.

[@Glanzern]

It isn't entirely wrong. It doesn't have ITS OWN muscle, but it just uses the ones for the other fingers haha.

[@mightyrachel1]

The CVS story was WILD!! As a high schooler, I went to a Mary Kay makeover with my mom and using your ring finger for eye cream was definitely part of the lesson! It stuck because I still use my ring fingers for eye cream even though I know logically it doesn’t matter lol

[@ivy5554]

That second story: I understand being desperate for money but damn, it sounds like she had so many other options and people to help her. She ruined her life for nothing.

[@SydneyBristow0788]

💯

[@nancymiller4340]

My husband and I allowed our daughters friend to do a Cut Co demonstration and we ended up buying the scissors. We knew it was an MLM, but our daughter begged us to help him out. We've had the scissors for almost 20 years. They are really good scissors. Every time we use them, we laugh about it!

[@karenneill9109]

We have scissors and a few knives. They’re excellent, but man, it was weird buying them! Knowing what I know now, I wouldn’t buy from them again.

[@firelady118]

Lol when I was in my teens cutco hoodwinked me into selling it and I did make a few sales, I will say the product is good, I still have my starter kit and everything still looks and works like they're brand new, it's been at least 20 yrs if not more. I think if they hadn't made it an MLM company they would have succeeded better

[@meghaffer]

Yeah. Some of these companies sell good products. But the salespeople rarely get fairly compensated which is why I can't support them

[@Lizzypoohxo]

My dad bought one of the smaller sets probably 20 years ago. My step sister was dating a guy that was selling cutco. I inherited the set and the scissors are amazing. It's unfortunate it's an MLM which would explain the cost of the products because they are really nice.

[@elif6908]

Someone should bring Cutco to retail, like as a company. Avon sells at makeup stores they can sell at normal stores.

[@VickiKolman]

In the late 90s, I had a friend who was in Mary Kay and never pressured me to join but would periodically bring me to events because she needed a plus one. They always did talk about the ring finger but at the time they just mentioned that it was a weaker finger and would be less likely to accidentally caused damage. That has now morphed into that there is no muscle is crazy to me. And while I would hate to see anyone lose their job, I feel like finding customer information through CVS is such a major violation that I am surprised that they let the hun stay employed

[@kconway2263]

It’s ridiculous to think fingers don’t have muscles. The tendons in your middle and ring finger are connected, so if you put your hand palm down on the table and bend your middle finger under, you can lift your index finger and pinkie, but your ring finger won’t budge. The nerves of the ring finger and pinkie are intertwined, making those somewhat connected, too.

[@SemiIocon]

@@kconway2263 Yeah but those are tendons, not muscles though? It's a different tissue.

[@sharim]

@@kconway2263 That’s so interesting! Of course, I had to try it and you are correct. If I bend my pinkie under, I can’t lift my ring finger although I can lift the other fingers, but bending my ring finger under has no effect-I can lift all the other fingers. Ain’t anatomy cool!

[@BobbiGail]

Yes! The MK "weaker ring finger" of the 90's (maybe even 80's?). Even as a teen I thought this sounded hokey. But what did I know? Im surprised they STILL promote this.

[@Megara297]

I was laughing because my Nana JUST told me abt the ring finger thing a few months ago (I’ve grown up around Mk because of my mom)

[@Thetinyfit]

That pharmacist should have absolutely have been fired. Healthcare workers are under fire in so many ways these days, and while many of the reasons aren’t legit, this one is. This is a gross ethics violation. I’m very shocked CVS let this slide!!!

[@KarenNg0909]

Wasnt a pharmacist, was a tech.

[@michellelynngarceau3851]

Okay the story in the college dorm was wild! I can just picture this dude pulling raw chicken and knives out of his pockets like a nightmare magician and trying to cut it in his hands! Next would have been: “See how easily it sliced my pinky off, guys? No resistance at all!” 😂

[@maryskelton2562]

I am a healthcare worker. She used the patient's chart for personal gain. As bad as I feel for her, she should have been fired. That is wrong at every level. Plus, she used company time to trap patients to pitch them.

[@ImKarlaJo]

As a CVS employee, I am angry and embarrassed that this happened.

[@sctc2494]

That pharmacy tech is lucky to have kept her job. Usually you don’t get second chances with a HIPAA violation.

[@Lizzypoohxo]

I think it's because there was no formal complaint and was probably handled by CVS rather than through a medical entity. They probably didn't write it up as a HIPAA violation so that they wouldn't have to report it to the medical board.

[@savyjett]

Right, that was not a “minor transgression” in the medical world. It was a major transgression.

[@savyjett]

That’s not even addressing the selling of, in this case, non-cvs products on company time.

[@JKMama1920]

Tech here, we had an employee steal a male patient’s phone number to ask him out. Needless to say, his wife was not happy and the employee is no longer with us.

[@heathersue429]

The CVS pharmacy tech looking up names on Facebook is not a HIPAA violation. It is creepy and possibly violates a CVS policy, but not a HIPAA violation. Names are not considered protected health information (PHI) in and of themselves under HIPAA. If the employee also used treatment or payment information in addition to the name, that would be a HIPAA violation.

[@SoapiiOSC]

My mom was apart of an mlm cult that she thought would create her own business but it was just overconsumption of jewelry that we didnt even sell or use!

[@brianfritos44]

was it ring bomb lol

[@lucianavaliente5020]

Paparazzi or something like that?

[@JamesQMurphy]

Lia Sophia?

[@SydneyBristow0788]

Holy cow why are there so many crappy companies

[@SoapiiOSC]

@@lucianavaliente5020 yep :(

[@senoraankhi5980]

this pharmacy story made me so nervous! omg...I cannot even imagine doing this to someone. I am involved in healthcare myself...and the thought of outwardly abusing my privelkage of having this information in front of me, and violating someone's PHI is incomprehensible. im stunned, actually, im sick

[@RblWOACoz1111]

I am a nationally and state licensed CPhT and I am speechless on this one. I get occasional mishaps like accidentally telling a patient's wife about their husbands need or something (cause it happened to me and oh boy....I had to sit with corporate and the whole nine. Never again). But THIS.... THIS is beyond my comprehension. Do not pass go, do not collect your last paycheck....FIRED. I have so many thoughts and yet nothing to say. Unbelievable.

[@chelseap3286]

The highway mentioned in story 1 is I-15. I’m a UT resident and I too play the game of “is that company an mlm?” When driving along it 😂

[@waywardpagan6475]

Memory unlocked, I was in Mary Kay for a little while and I remember being told to use the ring finger to put eye cream on because "It's the weakest finger and would be extra gentle" Thankfully didn't stay long and now Mary Kay is no more in Australia

[@hailyjohnson407]

The pharmacy tech one was shocking to me! Im also a pharmacy tech, and the only time I have ever seen a coworker use patient information for anything outside of patient care was when we had one regular patient whose wife passed, the pharmacist used the patient's address to send a beautiful bouquet of flowers as a condolence for his wife passing. Never, ever for personal gain or harassment

[@loveitorleaveit9673]

Oh, that was truly sweet!

[@pinkskiestoday]

The moment the chicken breast was brought up, I thought for sure it would be a Norwex pitch.

[@FallMusic100]

19:44 oh my gosh! I have heard some MK nonsense about application of make up and moisturizers too! One was that a person should never apply or rub their eyes (or any part of their face) in a downward motion, as the sensitive skin will begin to droop, accelerating the aging process.🙄🤦🏼‍♀️

[@noseybee_]

Omg my mom used to be in MaryKay a long time ago before I was born and she taught me when I started doing skincare to apply to my under eyes with ring finger WHICH I STILL DO TO THIS DAY. I had no idea it was from something she learned at Mary Kay and she never said it’s because of “no attached muscle”, it’s because it’s the weakest finger so it’s the most gentle on the thin skin under the eye. So the ring finger thing has been around for at least 30 years but it’s gotten dumber it seems.

[@pennytine3657]

I had a social worker pitch being a norwex rep during a call for government food assistance. It’s something that’s turned my stomach for years.

[@BasilissaKleo]

I beg you pardon? She was selling a scam to someone who litterally couldn't afford food? I'm so sorry it happened to you and hope you do better now.

[@elizabethtangora4353]

16:56 I’m so impressed with how this writer handled such an incredibly awkward situation with such grace. I almost want another horror story from the pharmacist’s perspective, since the way they immediately knew who it was makes me think they had previously talked to the Hun about catching her doing this and thought they had put a stop to it, only to get a call like that from a customer.

[@alissarose13]

I’ve been to Mary Kay pitches where they say that same thing about using your ring finger! What a wild thing they’re teaching those reps. 😂

[@Therealheidic]

That CVS story is WILD!!!! I was floored!

[@bEverCurious]

No one is taking away her job. If a pharmacy tech or anyone else chooses to abuse their position for personal gain, THEY have taken away their own job. Consequences for their own actions.

[@elainelouve]

100%

[@esikazemese]

YAS. They knew it. And also, while feeling sorry for themselves they had no problem with putting others into the same scheme situation.

[@Jessica_Crease87]

Exactly! Actions have consequences and they made the choice of their actions!

[@mariannefoucrault]

I once had a friend that was into Mary Kay, and she did say to me the same thing about the ring finger 😂😭 They really do theach them bs!!

[@LisaDaVonne]

I clicked so fast! I’m driving to Kansas City today and this will be perfect for my 3 hour drive!! Thanks Hannah!!

[@nikkisaturno.]

Drive safe! 🚘

[@jpt610]

I can't believe that people would go to extreme lengths and steal CC information so they can rank up in an MLM. I know that many of them sign up even their dog but stealing CC info is crazy.

[@SydneyBristow0788]

Yeah and how does a dog have an SSN? LOL

[@esikazemese]

What are doing with the products that they buy under their dog's name?

[@snoopyfan901]

Wow! I was also told by a Mary Kay rep to use my ring finger for putting makeup on under the eyes. Thankfully she only said it was because that finger was the weakest one.

[@mightyowl1800]

Several kettles worth of tea in that first story alone omg 😯

[@esikazemese]

Let's not feel bad for people losing their jobs when they are violating the law and ruining other people's lives.

[@corrinnelepage888]

I get your sentiment, but making desperate people more desperate is often not productive in helping them change their behaviour

[@cmcoy5982]

​@@corrinnelepage888 would you say the same for the one who stole credit card info? The consequences of illegal behavior aren't the fault of the person who reports it.

[@Sleepfrog]

Absolutely this, as someone whos ex-friend was into this kind of job for a long time and genuinely didn't feel any guilt about people under her losing tons of money, some of these people NEED to face harsh consequences to realize they need to leave. "Almost" losing her job and getting scolded really isn't much of a consequence for what is an ACTUAL felony and extreme breach of policy and privacy. Those rules are there for a reason? Like if you get to pick and choose who breaks them how is that fair to other people she may have already turned into victims. Not to mention if she did that so easily and confidently, who's to say she wasn't willing to sell customer information other ways? MC of that story didn't know her, neither did her coworkers obviously. All they knew was she was willing to do that...there's a difference between upholding ethics and safety of customers and wishing ill on someone, she should have lost her job absolutely. Not wishing her harm at all, but she should have to face how big a fuck up that is. People find new jobs all the time, save your sympathy and empathy for the people she likely hurt.

[@doeeyedfaun4020]

I agree but I also think someone being told the gravity of what they have done and given the chance to rectify behavior is not a bad thing. Some people may not fully understand Hippa and consider reaching out personally not the same as sharing health information with random strangers. I found out the hard way at my job in healthcare I’m not even allowed to look up MY OWN information of it isn’t part of my job. That floored me cause, well I’M ME I already know it. LOL I knew I wasn’t supposed to talk about pt’s to other people, or reach out, make contact or even acknowledge I knew them if I saw them in public but the minutia of HIPPA maybe over someone’s head.

[@isabellamorris7902]

​@@cmcoy5982 that's a logical fallacy though -- you can feel sympathy or pity for someone without needing to blame anyone for causing the situation. Even if it was someone's own fault. You see it in movies all the time -- understanding that someone got themselves into a situation, but still feeling for them because you know that they're now in an even tougher spot.

[@IzabelaSznajder27]

"only finger without a muscle" - this sounds like some Gilderoy Lockhart magic here

[@AmyAmore99]

When I was very young, like 6-7 years old, my aunt sold Mary Kay and told me that same thing about the ring finger and to this day I always use my ring finger when applying eye cream. The kicker?? She was a nurse!!!

[@Rxsan-l3f]

As a pharmacy technician, that is a huge no no and I would have reported her. It is absolutely a Hipaa violation.

[@middleagebrotips3454]

These MLM folks always use human relationships to their advantage, i had one guy even said i might find romance in MLM networks, knowing i was single and looking at the time

[@Suri0723]

I might have a story coming for you soon. I just found out yesterday, an old high school friend who I was very close to, joined an MLM, I'm expecting a Hey Hun text any day now 😂

[@jaya7760]

I'm calling BS on the CVS story on one section and that's the pharmacist and manager calling a random customer to discuss an employee reprimand. That's just as bad as being recruited by a hun in a pharmacy drive thru and could be taken to the labor board.

[@JennaGetsCreative]

Finger muscles: All fingers are attached to flexion muscles but no fingers *contain* muscles. They're bone and padding controlled by muscles in the hand and arm via tendons.

[@AbiGodinha]

I’ve missed these!! Also, I can tell that I love love looooove your blouse, even just by the sleeves and neckline I can see!

[@DesignsByLittleBee]

The pharmacy is definitely a place where you need discretion and trust. I can't believe anyone would think it's okay to conduct ANY business in conjunction with your pharmacy duties! Like my favorite anti-MLMers say.. Would they behave this way if they weren't in an MLM??

[@claudih7224]

Was at a Mary Kay presentation in June 2018 in Germany (yes, they are here too) and the rep lady told the same thing with the ring finger (not "no muscles" but weakest finger, less "damage" blabla). Was aware of MK being an MLM, didn't buy anything, just joined the party because me colleague was the host and she needed a minimum number of people...

[@libertymedicalcommunicatio4908]

Congratulations! I don’t know how you consistently produce such horrifying and entertaining story content, but keep up the good work!

[@morganizedwithkelly45]

The pharmacist one is horrifying! How Violating! 😬

[@bronwyngavin6076]

When I was a new mom, I lost my job. My good friend who lived across the street from me was a “business owner” with Monat. She hounded me for months about joining her team, to use a credit card to buy my starter kit, that I’m missing my opportunity to get ahead and support my family by not jumping in. One day I came home to a huge box at my front door. She had bought the most expensive starter kit for me without telling me. I took it over to her, said thanks but no thanks AGAIN, and told her that if we couldn’t squash this subject, we won’t continue to hang out. I hated it! It made me feel so awkward, but it also made me feel like I wasn’t doing the best for my family!

[@leahyvonne1572]

Good for you! I hope she was able to drop it after that. And I kno u prob kno already but you were taking care of your family by not joining. MLM's drain your acct, they make their money off their "associates" buying product, not from the products themselves.

[@bronwyngavin6076]

@@leahyvonne1572 thank you for saying that. I STILL have guilt about that time in my life, but that’s what we do as mothers. I’m glad I was smart enough to not make more trouble for myself. This company is not doing well today either!

[@paigetaylor9152]

As a former Mary Kay consultant, the Mary Kay lady got her stories mixed up, it’s suppose to be said something like, “your eyes show the first signs of aging because there are no muscles here (idk if this is true or not lol) so you want to be sure to use an eye cream, and your ring finger is the best to use to apply eye cream as it is the weakest finger” lol

[@yelmite_]

This is perfect to listen to in a massage chair!

[@Unapologetically_Feral]

That CVS tech should've lost their job.

[@chuckannd6034]

None of the fingers have muscles. The fingers and hands have tendons. The tendons are controlled by the muscles in the forearm.

[@TheYazmanian]

That CVS Hun is absolutely wild

[@Angstlarry]

I remember being taught the ring finger thing at barbizon 😂

[@WestonDion]

I’m too nervous to do it, but literally every time someone comes up to me and is SO overly friendly and complimenting random shit, I wanna ask which MLM they’re recruiting for

[@lydiarobinett6159]

If the ring finger had no muscle, pianists would have more difficulty during their performance

[@Lostb3]

There are no muscles in any of your fingers. They move via the tendons that go from the forearm to the fingers.

[@ozmathegreatand]

9:50 this is unhinged behavior

[@Starry_Skye22]

The woman stealing the debit card is actually insane to me. I don't think stealing another person's debit card just pops into normal peoples head as a solution to make money. I wouldn't want to be friends with her anymore either..

[@krisvanallen]

HPPA violation is no small smatter. Imagine if this had happened in a doctor's office.

[@jennamenzies3652]

Wait, falsifying lab results because Doterras products don't meet a certification they made up themselves? 🤣

[@bobi7152]

I mean, the ring finger doesn’t have any muscles, but neither do the rest of the fingers 😂

[@je1073]

Was scrolling to find this comment! Thank you!

[@selinazaria]

I love all of your MLM content so much! Thank you for raising awareness on the issues with them! I was wondering if you'd be able to do a deep dive on Scentsy at some point? Scentsy is massive in the small town that I live in, and I honestly didn't know/realize it was an MLM until I started watching your content and heard you mention Scentsy. I've been roped into helping set up/tear down Scentsy stalls for a friend so many times, (and I even signed up at one point) and would love to hear more of your thoughts on it. Thank you for doing what you do!! 💜

[@alexanderhenby1362]

Thats so funny with the Cutco demo. I have an ex (still friends though) who got roped into selling Cutco in college. He bought his set and convinced just about his whole campus to buy the cheap pairing knife telling broke college kids ita really the only one they would ever need and he would cook for his friends while getting them super high so they would buy stuff. (He sold a butt ton, cause of course he did, they were high) and the end of the month he got a checkbfor like 150 bucks. He got super mad, kept the knives and cookbook and never looked back. I think he still owed them some obscene amount of money but he had proof his upline was suppling narcotics and weed on campus so the company ghosted him. Good knives though. I kept the cook book when we broke up.

[@karmagal78]

I’m in a profession that is under HIPAA. The pharmacy tech was definitely violating HIPAA. You sign a document. We take compliance training every year. I’m surprised that she didn’t lose her job.

[@unsleepy]

OMG my mother was in Mary Kay and Oriflame and Faberlic when I was a child, so I forgot, who taught her to apply the eye cream with a ring finger!!! 😆 But, I'm almost 30 years old now and guess what I do for at least 10 years? Apply cream with a ring finger:) Because it's just in the deep memory now...

[@hokko274]

Really feel like the crazy behaviors come from constant brainwashing. Hope theses women have been able to escape the MLMs.

[@darth_meadow9744]

The thing about that pharmacy, I don't know if this is everywhere, but in our area all the CVS around share techs....so may still see her??? but hopefully not.

[@M1326]

Oh boy... I hope you really do one on crafting MLM companies... they are crazy.

[@MsGlitterBombz]

The ring finger thing is taught in esthetics school. But we weren't told there aren't any muscles lmao! just that it's weaker

[@dawnsamantha6728]

HANNAH! 319k subs?! Absolutely wild- congratulations

[@earthiswatching]

I suppose it could be argued that Doterra asking if people would falsify results is intended to weed out people who would. It's a bad question either way.

[@planntt]

19:24 There are no muscles in any of your fingers! Your fingers are controlled by the tendons in your hands and arms. Pretty cool!

[@ErinStearns]

Now that this channel blew up. I bet Doterra wishes they had hired Hannah. 😂

[@creacher00]

WOW not related but I got the biggest deja vu with this video!! Around 3:47 when you were stating the disclaimer, I even mouthed exactly what you were gonna say. Wild

[@HeatherSchrivener-el2mx]

I wonder if that CVS hun has any idea how lucky she was - HIPAA is no joke and OP could’ve absolutely called for her head.

[@heathersue429]

The CVS pharmacy tech looking up names on Facebook is not a HIPAA violation. It is creepy and possibly violates a CVS policy, but not a HIPAA violation. Names are not considered protected health information (PHI) in and of themselves under HIPAA. If the employee also used treatment or payment information in addition to the name, that would be a HIPAA violation.

[@DracoTriste]

I don’t think, in this particular case, reporting the pharmacist would drive her further into the MLM. It would have put her in jail for 10 years per charge. What she did is a felony and she absolutely did know better.

[@ohcar0line]

Hannah, I appreciate your content so much.

[@drazzi]

I believe no fingers have muscles, you only have tendons in your fingers, so hon is kind of right about ring finger but the other fingers are equally muscleless

[@nathaliaferreira8077]

Omg, I just google it and it's trueee, how insane is that?

[@SeekingMagick]

And they said third party testing…. If their scientists do it, that’s not a third party

[@notjebbush]

I mean she was technically correct in saying the ring finger has no muscle, because none of our fingers do. But ring fingers absolutely are attached to muscles in the hand/forearm, unless an abnormality exists.

[@mathsalot8099]

That's really interesting! I had to look it up and went down a rabbit hole of hand anatomy and why it's so hard to draw. Maybe that's why AI generated art always gets the hands wrong.

[@Sparkle__Punk]

Omgggg 😂😂😂 I'm not a doctor, but I work in the fitness industry (I know a bit about the muscular system) and skincare is a hobby of mine, so I think I know what that MLM lady was trying to say: Obviously the ring finger has muscles in it 😂 But it's the weakest of all our fingers - our other fingers are larger (therefore stronger) except for the pinkie, which is actually significantly stronger than it's size would indicate. So, when our goal is to be as gentle as possible (roughly tugging/pulling at our skin is never great), it's a good idea to use our ring fingers to apply creams, etc. I think that's what she was trying to get at, but because she didn't understand it properly it came out as nonsense...

[@ammalyrical5646]

but none of the fingers have muscles in them. Movement of the fingers is governed by tendond that link to muscles in your underarm and the palm of your hand.

[@absurdengineering]

Simple explanation of how this “CPTG” thing works. It’s like them saying “Asbestos free”. Yeah, nobody asked, because it’s not relevant to… anything whatsoever. It’s like selling apples and certifying they are “filler free”. 😂 “Our useless products are top-notch lab-grade, we seertify so!”

[@abbywonder3825]

The CVS thing was NOT a small thing. She SHOULD have been fired. The fact that they knew who you were talking about shows she had done it before and she should not be allowed to continue violating the law

[@veelux76]

The ring finger is light to the touch which will good to apply eye creams. That rep said it wrong…lol

[@krisvanallen]

Wow, I would’ve reported that CVS immediately. Drive right from the drive through back into the store, directly to the pharmacy manager

[@kiterafrey]

So, my day job is in class action, I'm a legal editor. My specialties are in anti-trust & data breach. Data breach for me often involves HIPPA violations and I have special certifications to handle data breach cases with HIPPA information in them. For each person that RX hun contacted using information from her job, she (and her job) can risk $100 to a max of $25k PER PERSON she violated. It is rare for a single person to hit $25k unless they're selling that information, but just imagine how many people the hun did this too, and if she had to pay $100 per person that could add up fast.

[@Rachel-art-and-design]

I just got a text from my aesthetician. She has “partnered” with Limelife by Alcone. WTH. I am very disappointed.

[@lilunette9319]

Did you text back. "I'm very disappointed in you and will be taking my business elsewhere. I do not support mlms. " These people need to see the pushback to understand that what they are doing is wrong.

[@ludagreko7947]

Loved listening!!

[@katywallis5016]

I think we need to do a better job of educating our children about things that seem too good to be true. Most things that make money, require hard work. There’s no get rich quick scheme that you can rely on. That’s why they’re called schemes. You have to think logically and if something seems too good to be true, it probably is. Just get a normal job, get an education, work hard, save money. It’s okay if you’re not rich overnight or you’re not your own boss.

[@Shan-ShanH]

I wish you would do some research on who these third-party testers are. That is vital information.

[@smithbrenda1021]

I heard the Mary Kay ring finger tip at a party in 1984, so it's been around 40 years.

[@jemimalampard1319]

I weirdly just learnt this week that none of your fingers have muscles in them! The muscles are all in the hand and they move your fingers via the attached tendons

[@Chareddragon]

As a dude I’m happy that I’m not the target audience for most MLMs

[@mellimel1174]

I dislike how Mary Kay usura the term “facial” which denotes a treatment from a licensed esthetician. Instead you rub on their products with your own hands and apply their makeup so they can convince you that you need it.

[@Blossom-on-a-tree]

Re the finger comment: I’m sure someone else has already said this but if so I can’t see it scrolling through, so I have to say it, none of your fingers have muscles in 😊 only tendons which are pulled by muscles in your hand or arm, the ring finger is the weakest the tip itself is solid just the explanation is 🤦‍♀️

[@jamionrowley6319]

I’m new to hearing about MLMs so I have no idea about them…I do have one question though, my mom has been selling Avon for 30 yrs and she has never once recruited anyone below her, please explain to me how Avon is a MLM because I don’t completely understand how they work? (I’m new to your channel and love your content)