MMORPG Tier List 2023

[@TheLazyPeon]

Download and play V-Rising now: store.steampowered.com/app/1604030/V_Rising/?

[@_lun4r_]

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[@brincz3785]

I played V-Rising with a friend of mine, it is similar to Valheim but a top down version. We played on our own server that I hosted (which gives your IP address out lol) and it was fun to play together. Definitely a game that is good with a friend group or someone who likes playing hard(ish) solo games (maybe like Elden Ring/Dark Souls in general). At many points, things became tedious so I just enabled the admin console and it would help us to get point A to B, especially being a duo it made it harder for boss fights.

[@FredsRandomFinds]

If you try Eve you need to do so with a group of friends. Solo you'll be bored off of your tits in less than a day. With a group of friends it can be one of the best out there..

[@dez_7425]

@@_lun4r_ Are you really telling someone how to run their channel? Fuck off

[@Inttallity]

@megitsune Soon™ game hasn't seen a single content update since it was released 8months ago, and still no word for when we will see it. In fact given that its Stunlock I wont be surprised if we never see any significant content updates.

[@DeusKnight]

The fact over 30% of people didn't vote Diablo Immortal an F concerns me and shows me why games are like they are nowadays.

[@Oaky]

tbh, gameplay and graphics are good. Story was decent. I had fun without needing to P2W to enjoy the game

[@alispeed5095]

@@Oaky the bar has lowered so much

[@TheOneGreat]

@@Oaky If you eat around shit you are still endorsing it. That's only going to make it worse.

[@vincentdarkrosrayne]

because some people just enjoy games. so many people will insta hate games for just one single reason without looking at anything else the game has to offer. and i can guarantee that the majority of people that voted it into F haven't even touched the game.

[@sunnun9203]

only 5k voted

[@reverie9358]

and now we know why a community driven tier list has never been done before

[@Danilocked]

Call me hater or whatever, but putting FF14 at the top of all the other MMOs is a shame. Don't get me wrong, it is good, but just not as glorious as people say it is.

[@roxlul]

It reflects the problem that we have pretty good, we have a lot of good mmorpgs but we dont have a very good one.

[@Yami69]

@@Danilocked your opinion ofc

[@animepug8159]

I mean, if majority of the people speaks volume about FF14 I don't think its a shame honestly.

[@cw9624]

@@Danilocked no matter what ff14 easily deserves to be somewhere in A tier looking at all those non A tier games.

[@Bnelen]

It's almost hard to accept that these are the best MMOs on the market today. The options are incredibly underwhelming considering we live in an age that, one would imagine, is ideal for developing and successfully marketing MMOs.

[@MyName-Jeff]

New World was supposed to be exactly what everyone hoped for, and then they pooped the bed on literally everything. Inflation went insane, glitches were everywhere, QoL was terrible, griefing was rampant (using glitches too so no way to fight back). I think the gaming industry is in a terrible state right now. Just look at how amped everyone is for Baldurs gate when that quality of game should literally be the norm.

[@padarousou]

The problem is so much has been done already its hard to innovate while also making the game cohesive and compelling

[@maxxvii2037]

Any game that can be fully played by just one person is not ideal in the current market

[@maxxvii2037]

@@MyName-Jeff That level of quality wasn't the norm 10, 20 or even 30 years ago. There has always been trash around, every decade. People just have selective memory

[@MyName-Jeff]

@@maxxvii2037 oh no I totally agree this situation isn't unique. Its just disappointing.

[@haydzz1]

i love that osrs was so high, people often just instantly shut it down due to the graphics but the game itself is actually very good and has all the qualities a good mmo needs

[@BBoysAndTrickers]

It’s the gen z child’s need for the hack and slash stimulation

[@BloomHD]

Congrats to my fellow GW2 enjoyers - we’ve made it into A tier with the big hitters 😎

[@ImmortalityV]

Weird to see you in the comments and up on my second monitor going over the upcoming changes xD Keep up the good work! :D

[@gygaxx69]

Should be s tier

[@charlesdobronxcharlesdobro4660]

Dragon flight is dead so idk how he can rank it so high… the content doesn’t last more then a month

[@ImmortalityV]

@@charlesdobronxcharlesdobro4660 Just because the content doesn't last you long enough doesn't mean it's not popular.

[@Deviantloverable]

Well we all know gw2 players dont care where is our game on these tear-lists, but it is nice to know other people see the value of gw2.

[@Ben-vi5ig]

I would've loved to see a tierlist based not on majority votes, but based on average placement. I feel like that would've given a more accurate depiction of where the community as a whole believes a game should go within the list on average. Otherwise great video. Here's how the tierlist would look if it were based on average ranking: _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ S: A: Final Fantasy XIV (4.48) Guild Wars 2 (4.32) World of Warcraft: Dragon Flight (4.08) B: Old School Runescape (3.74) World of Warcraft: WotLK Classic (3.69) Elder Scrolls Online (3.56), New World (3.42) Lost Ark (3.29) V Rising (3.24) Albion Online (3.12) Star Wars the Old Republic (3.06) Black Desert Online (3.02) C: Guild Wars 1 (2.84) Runescape 3 (2.69) Lord of the Rings Online (2.66) EVE Online (2.59) Maplestory (2.49) Warhammer Online RoR (2.31) Final Fantasy XI (2.27) Neverwinter (2.13) Dungeons & Dragons Online (2.07) Lineage 2 (2.05) Archeage (2.05) D: PSO2 New Genesis (1.93) Tower of Fantasy (1.91) Blade & Soul (1.9) Project: Gorgon (1.9) RIFT (1.86) Conquerors Blade (1.78) AION (1.73) Vindictus (1.61) DC Universe Online (1.66) The Secret World(1.61) Mortal Online 2 (1.56) Undecember (1.56) Adventure Quest 3D (1.53) Embers Adrift (1.33) Sword of Legends Online (1.33) Allods Online (1.28) Skyforge (1.26) Metin 2 (1.22) Riders of Icarus (1.18) F: Bless Unleashed (0.96) Diablo Immortal (0.81) League of Angels 4 (0.76) _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Method used: ((F⋅0+D⋅1+C⋅2+B⋅3+A⋅4+S⋅5)÷5)⋅6 S = 5-6 A = 4-5 B = 3-4 C = 2-3 D = 1-2 F = 0-1 Some of the results might be very slightly off due to a lack of exact % numbers on some of the voted tiers, though it wouldn't be enough to change the tier itself, at most impacting only the ranking within the tier in some cases (which even then would probably be off by only about 0.01 for most of those cases).

[@fullstackweebdev]

You put more effort into this list than Blizzard put into Diablo Immortal

[@elijahbrooks6887]

Holy s*** you are smart

[@brdg4276]

Glad I saw this, LazyPeons methodology was way off

[@SamuSayo]

Wow how did this come into your mind

[@hellvanfrost69]

I was thinking something similar, but it looks like I was beaten to the punch lmao

[@Liraela13]

Hey Peon, thanks for the video. I think it might be a good idea for any potential future videos like this to calculate the average of people's votes, rather than using the most popular answer. To give an over the top example, if there is an mmo that got 40% of the votes in the F tier, 30% in the A tier and 30% in the S tier, it would be put into the F tier, even though 60% of the community (the majority) love it. So I think the average would give us a more accurate result.

[@TheLazyPeon]

Yeah good idea, I’ll need to figure out something like that next time for sure

[@b-id5wq]

@@TheLazyPeon can you just redo the video with this methodology? Your current approach is totally wrong and totally skews the results. If you want me to crunch the numbers I can do so

[@alexgamer8965]

@@TheLazyPeon i hope Asmongold will react to this Tier List as before

[@roxlul]

@@TheLazyPeon we need also more votes, I didnt even know about the poll and I followed you for years.

[@sbqz00]

@@b-id5wq this guy LMAO

[@Revenu]

FF11 was my first mmo. I think if it was f2p people would've voted it higher but as it stands an F seems appropriate. I think it was really a "you had to be there" mmo. Anyone who played ff11 at peak has truly unique memories of the game. Things you could never experience in the games current form... but the game's sountrack is 100% S tier.

[@jameshernandez1518]

I think many underestimate the greatness that is Guild Wars 1. Newer mmos could learn from its systems. Namely the skill system and heroes system

[@KineticCalvaria]

My all time favourite. I love GW2 as well but it just doesn't compare to GW1. I was thoroughly invested in the story and lore, and the build customisation was crazy good.

[@heartoffire5902]

@@KineticCalvaria Yeah, I was hooked on GW1 for a very long time because of the incredible build customization. GW2 just couldn't keep me. The limitations of the more restrictive system just don't interest me.

[@mortalhordewarrior9285]

Want to play? It's on steam if you didn't know and people do play it, very healthy population.

[@jakeberry8882]

Guildwars 1 gets my vote as my enjoyed mmo of all time I love the structured PvP where you could make an instantly viable PvP character from the get go.

[@Naeidea]

@@mortalhordewarrior9285 sweet i might grab it.

[@Naeidea]

I was genuinely anxious to see where GW2 came, was relieved when it was A tier as its truly one of my favourite games of all time.

[@RedNuii]

From Peon’s list at the end, he ranked it as #1

[@sisqomisqo2019]

GW2 is a joke, no challenging contents and repetitive boring ass Meta events for no reward worth doing whatsoever

[@Naeidea]

@@sisqomisqo2019 try a different game would be my suggestion.

[@dabo150]

@@sisqomisqo2019 Sounds like a you problem and a shitty opinion.

[@nightmarecorn]

@@sisqomisqo2019 we do have challneging content. End of dragons strikes first 1 and 3 is easiest 2 is second hardest and harvest temple is the hardest of the all and not that many have cleared it

[@tatemessmer4936]

GW2 has really shown its value as a game over time. Love it

[@scottmartin7914]

Consistently underwhelming

[@iskyss3]

I want to start, but I don't know if I should. Do you think it's worth starting to play? I'm talking about whether it's normal to play as a beginner and whether it will be supported in the coming years

[@coops1234]

@@iskyss3 yep it’s easy to start and get involved in. Almost all content is accessible once max level which isn’t hard to get to.

[@Aereton]

@@iskyss3 plenty of new players coming in recently so you are not alone and the player base is pretty nice and helpful so don't you worry about "sticking out as a noob" somewhere; according to devs, the next expac is already in production and they are recently talking often about making gw2 future proof so it's fair to say it'll probably be supported for a while

[@nawnomadnan9874]

Agreed. Taimi is my favorite NPC.

[@spyly1]

Wow, happy to see that GW2 is still kicking! What an amazing game, an ever-changing event world with so much to give. V Rising is a really good game too, highly recommending it if anyone hasn't tried it out yet.

[@mixuaquela123]

I think GW2 has easily the most fun/skill based PvP combat of all MMOs. It has some balancing issues but still.

[@GrippeeTV]

GW2 is the only MMO on the market that still FEELS like an MMO imo, and that’s why I love it. The gameplay just incentivizes socializing and group content everywhere. Where games like WoW, FFXIV have kinda drifted away towards instanced group content rather than open world group content like partying up for quests and the like.

[@Anevlo]

I think that's my favourite MMO, especially considering the amazing community it has!

[@xe11d]

It also is the easiest reccomendation for casual players who wants to dabble into MMOs.

[@choonblaze]

@@GrippeeTV sounds like you've never played a real mmo, GW2 is abandoned trash. Feels bad man.

[@TheMissileHappy]

I just got into Guild Wars 2 and for the first time in years I feel like a child discovering games again :D it's so beautiful and magical, I love it!

[@sicfkinfactory]

I feel the same way and I've been playing it for 3+ years

[@Healsloth]

i wish i could play gw2 with these emotions again

[@這一拳二十年]

I m a newly too, so much thing to explore

[@antoinegezod]

Its too easy, absolutely zero challenge in levelling

[@TheMissileHappy]

@@antoinegezod That's not why I play games :) at the end of the day I need something relaxing to unwind and just exploring a beautiful world is perfect for me

[@eeuwke0]

I've picked op guildwars 2 again recently after a few years and I'm having a blast. The amount of content is insane and the horizontal progression system is amazing. Also, it has by far the best and most friendly community

[@SheaSyz]

i dont think most friendly on gw2, i think its of FFXIV i play gw2 a lot and got really toxic people on city especially on raid and fractal thing while in FFXIV i dont find anyone insult in game at all

[@LuriTV]

I play both GW2 and FFXIV at the time now and sorry to say it, but FFXIV's community is better. Not by much but it is.

[@ylethyrbrekan5993]

for instanced contant ffxiv might have a friendlier community, however GW2's community is less cringe/ more chill overall alot more casual players

[@ThePict]

@@ylethyrbrekan5993 cringe is the best description of the FFXIV community. I was almost thankful of how instanced and single player orientated the game was but then the mind numbingly boring story and gameplay just switched me off from the game completely. If I ever return I'll be buying story skips I think

[@GettingAids1997]

@@SheaSyz FF14 is full of overly sensitive people. GW2 has people with thick skins that also help you and dont report everyone at the drop of a hat.

[@Forestwhangdoodle]

I feel like this should have been made as a median value of the votes, rather than the largest group to get a more accurate representation. Luckily the data is available so one can make such a list on their own. Thanks for the video! :)

[@ArgumentumAdHominem]

Sounds good in theory. In practice, 99% of games will land in C-D tier, and the list would be somewhat boring

[@ilikeanimals5015]

Albion deserves an S

[@njnjco]

@@ArgumentumAdHominem C is an average score and most mmo are, in fact, average. Most things are actually average. That's why it's average. I don't think a video like that would be boring. It would probably be.... average. How many times can I say average?? averageaverageaverageaverageaverageaverageaverageaverage.... A lot.

[@ohnoitisnt666]

Take a shot every time you read average.

[@Primafaveo]

@@njnjco Might we call the amount of averages, above average? Then I mean above average amounts of averages, the word average that is....in a quite averaged sentence? and the sentence is indeed average in length.

[@chriss6954]

I personally think Tera had the best combat of any MMO I've ever played.

[@bryannguyen6836]

I miss Stronghold...

[@addictedtoRS]

Black Desert has the best combat of any MMORPG, no question. Nothing else even comes close. But, is it a good game? That's up for debate.

[@MrFrosts]

Well should have tried Vindictus

[@MB-em9ek]

@@addictedtoRS That's your own opinion. My pov is that Tera's action combat system was superior to BDO's.

[@addictedtoRS]

@@MB-em9ek Are you serious? Tera? Lol. Alrighty then.

[@johnlane8053]

Great video! I think a 1-10 rating system where you the result is the average rating from all the survey results might be more accurate than doing a first past the post tier rating

[@pain7958]

Glad to see GW2 placed where it belongs in both lists, especially with everything they've teased recently.

[@MateusMeurer]

what have they teased recently?

[@Nihilq]

​@@MateusMeurer idk

[@TheNikolaiwolf]

Hey Peon I've been watching you since the early days of when you were making wow content. I love your work and its great to see you grow over the years. Keep up the good work !

[@burntfish123]

To this day I think Rift had the potential to be S tier with a big playerbase, but they just dropped the ball on so many aspects and weren't able to keep up with the competition at the time. Really is a shame that there's no chance for a comeback either once Gamigo gets is paws on a game

[@H4ymaker]

I loved RIFT, amazing game. But quit after not being able to beat Greenscale

[@bradyvilhauer4445]

It’s super sad how true this is about so many games. So many people have this same viewpoint about their fave expected game. I think every developer should take notes from Fortnite - that game blew up not just because of Ninja but because they updated SO OFTEN… stayed so flipping culturally relevant (which not all games need to do but it proved their reaction speed was legendary), released new weapons and modes… just very genius “reaction design” I might call it. Dragonflight has been similar from what I’ve read, updating fairly often, and adjusting broken classes and the like. You have to stay so proactive with your design, it’s possibly the only way to keep your game alive, and certainly to keep your game rising to the top!

[@andrijanastic1480]

​@@bradyvilhauer4445yeah but their updates were usually small things like skins and I can't agree because some genres do not need things like skins for update but smth big instead And smth big can't be rushed as we saw with Destiny 2 Lightfall

[@bradyvilhauer4445]

@@andrijanastic1480 I see what you're saying, not at all saying every game needs to do exactly what fortnite did. I think skins are actually pretty powerful; a huge part of gaming is people making things that look cool to them, so options help. But skins cost money to design, as do expansions. I think there are such thing as bad ideas as well. But it seems to me that games that cease to update SOMETHING in a great way, fairly often, tend to fall by the wayside. And I think a lot of "show me the money" financial people and parent companies simply do not realize why people game. They get too stuck on the business and fall behind.

[@ichangeframes8261]

Sadly that Aion and Tera went downhill that bad, they started out so beautiful and i have so many memories with them.

[@henrikmonkee]

My favorite game Wildstar would've made it to tier A or at the very least B, i miss that game so much.

[@Jason-993]

I'm still waiting for a western style mmorpg with tera combat. The RNG pray to the gods enchanting that was needed to progress with grind to grind to grind some more really really really killed the game. But to this day I still can't play any mmorpg without missing it's combat.

[@tomaszproblem4875]

Almost every game what have Gamefoge in "Publishers" are VERY GOOD and after some time get to "trash" section. Is sad.

[@Ademarr32]

man i really miss the time i had with TERA, the only game ever that made being a healer actually fun

[@rabbitgames1971]

I really like the Community vs Personal Opinion format. Very well done, as always. Keep up the good work!

[@ciso344]

I think it would be nice to show the community votes as a bar graph so you can see the distribution of votes. Then you can actually compare votes horizontally to see which A tier was leaning towards S tier and put them in order in each tier.

[@Frost_Saber]

I think averaging out the votes to get the rank would make more sense, should a game really be considered A tier if most of the total votes were in the lower categories for example?

[@gergokerekes4550]

@@Frost_Saber then that would be too easy to pull down. like a few reatrds who F any game they do not like will drag that down real fast.

[@Frost_Saber]

@@gergokerekes4550 So you'd invalidate peoples votes just because you don't agree with them? All the votes together create the whole picture of how the game stands.

[@gergokerekes4550]

@@Frost_Saber my man, you are insane if you think there would not be quite a big bunch of people who have never played a certain game yet would vote it 0 becouse it is not "their" game. just look at elden rings reviews when it got the award over gow, tons of 0 points, yes it is an opinion but it is worthless and meaningless.

[@OMGPeppi]

@@Frost_Saber this is the most weird one here. if 40% vote F tier. but 30%S tier and 30% A-tier, then he would present it as F tier? very very weird ranking.

[@RomanKrivocheev]

Great content! I suggest making a new tier list, not based on what has the most %, but instead move the bar higher or lower on the list based on the + or - rating. For example, if a game has 50% of S tier and 50% f tier, then place it in the middle, a B tier. Or if a game has lots of S and lots of B, put in A tier. Something like that. Just a suggestion :)

[@eandlbloodflower6765]

As a GW2 main, I always love seeing the outpouring of love and passion our XIV cousins have for their game; sure, we have our own as well, but you guys from XIV have a really unique and wonderful way of showing it and it is just really wonderful to see.

[@shine6783]

Well as someone that is currently playing some b tier mmos xD i gotta say even if community wasnt this passionate game is just really good.

[@PLazz257]

Yaas.. we stan gw2!

[@sorinnoctis652]

and as someone who primarily plays ffxiv, im really looking forward to joining GW2 fans. out of all the mmos i think its my lowkey favorite. just gotta convince my friends to try it.

[@w2earthsouba464]

after i read you're comment i tried GW2 and i have to say, its a solide game yeah the free trial is not my taste but its the same with our free trial in XIV maybe i will buy the extention one days to fully play the game

[@michaelmorton6566]

i need to give that game a try again

[@arandompotato3382]

GW2 could easly get S tier once Arenanet(the devs) rework the World vs World game mode. There is a lot of potential in there, and if they play their cards right, gw2 could explode in popularity.

[@FantusyFailure]

I think it'd be interesting to see the average scores determine the tier list. Sure something may have the most C-Tier votes, but additional A B votes should push that score up.

[@Ben-vi5ig]

Funny you say that, I just wasted way too much time using the stats from his video to do exactly that lol. Here are the results in case you're still interested: _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ S: A: Final Fantasy XIV (4.48), Guild Wars 2 (4.32), World of Warcraft: Dragon Flight (4.08) B: Old School Runescape (3.74), World of Warcraft: WotLK Classic (3.69), Elder Scrolls Online (3.56), New World (3.42), Lost Ark (3.29), V Rising (3.24), Albion Online (3.12), Star Wars the Old Republic (3.06), Black Desert Online (3.02) C: Guild Wars 1 (2.84), Runescape 3 (2.69), Lord of the Rings Online (2.66), EVE Online (2.59), Maplestory (2.49), Warhammer Online RoR (2.31), Final Fantasy XI (2.27), Neverwinter (2.13), Dungeons & Dragons Online (2.07), Lineage 2 (2.05), Archeage (2.05) D: PSO2 New Genesis (1.93), Tower of Fantasy (1.91), Blade & Soul (1.9), Project: Gorgon (1.9), RIFT (1.86), Conquerors Blade (1.78), AION (1.73), Vindictus (1.61), DC Universe Online (1.66), The Secret World(1.61), Mortal Online 2 (1.56), Undecember (1.56), Adventure Quest 3D (1.53), Embers Adrift (1.33), Sword of Legends Online (1.33), Allods Online (1.28), Skyforge (1.26), Metin 2 (1.22), Riders of Icarus (1.18) F: Bless Unleashed (0.96), Diablo Immortal (0.81), League of Angels 4 (0.76) _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Method used: ((F*0+D*1+C*2+B*3+A*4+S*5)/5)*6 S = 5-6 A = 4-5 B = 3-4 C = 2-3 D = 1-2

[@blueballs11]

so c+

[@HeinerSanchez-o1]

I loved Aion so much, because is one of the few games where if you die, it hurts a lot, the adrenaline of not beeign killed in high rank to get better gear I have never experienced in any other game. However, any recomendation for a new pvp experience?

[@Dramox.]

It would be nice to add a comparison screenshot of last years tier list at the end to see where games have moved to and rankings of new games as well.

[@aetherealv2051]

^

[@thebigbucktheory5488]

Gw1 was my best gaming experience I've ever had. I wish it was still popular.

[@mycelialturtle643]

Same. I didn't play all that much, but that was my favourite PC game by far

[@bdawg2592]

My favorite game of all time. I still log in and no-life it for about a month every 2 years or so

[@thebigbucktheory5488]

@@bdawg2592 I tried to log into a few years back and do RA which was a favorite of mine but it was dead . The MAT was half bots and half real people which was awesome. Obs mode was really before it's time. It's similar to twitch. And the gvg has some striking similarities to a MOBA. I think alot of people get that same experience in a moba game without the grind but my fondest memories were pveing together with my guild and then pvping with me as well. I think this is missing. Gw2 also did nothing for me personally which is sad. I'm glad I'm not alone in my praise for gw1 though

[@gregjross852]

I love GW2 but GW1 was just different. I really wish GW2 was more like GW1 but I wish I could have both😂

[@mikemo599]

Preach

[@veo16]

I gave EVE online a healthy run in 2019, with about 500 hours played when the Triglavian update happened. It was like Mythic+ dungeons being added to the game for those that wanted a challenge. At the end of each 10-minute run you got to enter a pvp pocket of space and if you wanted to stick around for a few minutes, could wait for a challenger to appear. 1v1 only, and only one ship gets to leave alive. Good fun. Overall, EVE is perfect as a game to hole up in your corner of the galaxy and either welcome or shoot-on-sight visitors into your home. You can choose to join a guild (corporation) to do this on a larger scale. As a solo player, you’ll find the most fun doing exploration into wormholes, which puts you deep into random quadrants of space where you can then go treasure hunting, or hunt other players. Best thing about eve is latency doesn’t matter. So everyone around the world plays together on one server.

[@Salmon_Toastie]

Man wormhole space and relic data hacking made me feel cool as fuck on eve, it was the first time I put so much effort into a video game learning about game systems. Most games I go straight for pvp but in eve i fucking suck at it no idea why.

[@bradyvilhauer4445]

Cool summary!! Eve always intrigued me and had such an insanely strong playerbase. It is so niche and seemingly complex. I’m happy for it & its community

[@paulsd9255]

They’ve since moved that PVP area to its own thing, the Proving Grounds, though I am not sure if they’re still running those every weekend anymore.

[@darkcrowsin666]

albion online is just like eve but with swords and magic but it have the same guilds drama pvp full loot fights ganking zvz wars all in one server and a lot of other things

[@Andrew-vb9bm]

The fact that WoW Wotlk wasnt S baffles me. That game literally made people quit their jobs,friends,family, THEIR LIFE.

[@taetaesvsign]

It's overwhelming for me to see GW2 that high! I used to learn reading by playing it back in 2012... It's been a long time and it still holds the most precious memories for me

[@veo16]

GW2 is much different than 2012. I played back then myself. The new game is fun. Try it out if you are still gaming these days.

[@ilovemanhwa9295]

Meaning of GW2😅?

[@CheckThreeTimes]

​@@ilovemanhwa9295 guild wars

[@ozbezarius922]

@@veo16 You can consider it one of the best mmo only after bying all dlc. Without dlc its just sad. No dlc means no mounts , no interesting and strong classes and a lot more.

[@vox43]

For me GW2 was nothing more than Aion. I would put them in the same tier. Personally they didn't bring anything different from one another. Both just as bad

[@Jengo-Fox]

Fiesta online was my first MMO back when it was run by outspark instead of gamigo, looking back it’s not great compared to other MMOs but I still have a lot of nostalgia for it. I remember my 12 year old self loving the experiences.

[@lighty805]

Same here man and the music was great.

[@skjarall]

I remember fiesta under outspark....it was amazing and I was about the same age maybe younger. the art and graphics were pretty cool wish i could go back to those days

[@LifeForAiur]

I personally would put ONLY Old School Runescape in the S tier because it still captures the heart of what an MMORPG is. Right now a MMOs define an MMORPG by certain features, namely: leveling zones with linear quests to progress to the "real game" which is raids and dungeons. However, I do not think features define an MMORPG and you get into rather limiting game design if you do. This is true for FFXIV as well, which in my opinion has a horrible leveling experience that is veiled by a legitimately good story. However, this is not the case for Old School Runescape as it emphasizes the "RPG" part of MMORPG and has fantastic storylines as well (although definitely not as emotional). That being said, the monotony of the grind, the graphics, and gameplay of combat (especially for earlier content) can definitely steer people away from the game which is a justified reason to put it in A tier.

[@ramencakes5196]

So true I think it only lost because his veiwer base is majority weebs so they voted for FF more.

[@decoydesignz290]

DCUO was my life when it was popping, absolutely love that game to bits. Its kinda sad to see the community doesn't like it.

[@Alran109]

I have almost 1,500 hours in GW2 and can't imagine playing another MMO this much and enjoying it the whole time.

[@GsxrNYX]

I never could get into it it looks amazing but I guess just not having friends who play it is probably the biggest reason it never held

[@DragneelXL]

@@GsxrNYX I have played more than 1000h too and the 80% solo. Im a lone wolf. I have friends that have the game too but they barely play. The community is too good and people will join you to help on whatever you need. If it looks amazing to you, give it a try, it is really better than it looks and you would enjoy playing solo a lot. (sry for my english)

[@mixuaquela123]

I have 14k hours on OSRS and still enjoying it XD.

[@kobeworld]

saying u have 1500 hours in a mmorpg equal to say u are a HUGE NOOB

[@TheTanakaMiyuki]

@@kobeworld lmao I have 4k hours in ff xiv, what does that make me then?

[@MrSkatosakoulas]

So glad I hopped on GW2 like a month ago. This video made me feel good haha

[@jean-sebastienpigeon3307]

BDO has surprisingly improved a lot over the year of 2022, so many quality of life updates. Excited to see the new zone, apparently there will be boss type grind zones instead of mindlessly killing monsters in circles. If it's well made, it can go a long way for the game's future.

[@baal8938]

Hope they develop the endgame before 2030

[@nevolence]

Yeah, I really think they've started to find a good direction with the game now. Considering the sheer number of good changes they've put out recently I think BDO's potential is higher than ever.

[@TimberlyPL]

Too bad that they have no idea about balancing and seem to make changes randomly, lahn striker and berserk have been top tier pve for years now and lets look at sage, he gets buffed to actually decent 2 weeks pass and hes getting nerfed

[@biged7530]

@@TimberlyPL i dunno if im playing a different game... but imo BDO it's '' pretty '' balanced. For sure there are some classes that do bigger numbers just due to their kit.... for exmaple im a Tamer main since 3 years.... i put almsot the same numbers as my GM wich is a zerk main ober 3 years too... in side PvE all classes are near to eachother... just enjoy the thing you have fun with... and i forgot to mention ... i know maegu and woosa came out and they a bit overtuned especially maegu but they gonna nerf her anyways and it will be balanced... in my opinion the really going into the perfect direction ... they changed it so much into good with all thee changes compared to a year or two ago

[@pigslayer275]

helo yes buff awakening wizard ty ily

[@bacon_208]

Was really surprised to see the community put Trove in F tier. It's not the greatest MMO but F tier is crazy

[@lilsnipertc4513]

Ture i enjoy the game I believe at the moment its a C tier game for me personally it also can have some good Potential if the devs gave the game things the community wanted but its good for now

[@bugboy9915]

trove was fun but the game was so easy to flythrough and its gameplay was decent but the recycled enemies and repetition got old fast played it for a week and all that changed was enemies health steadily going up until it became a chore to kill a single enemy. its no minecraft because you only build in a tiny plot to make a sort of house and thats it it lacked alot of things other mmos do better i would say trove deserves a c at least its good for young audiences and it had fun moments but i would reserve trove for kids theres not enough depth to engage in for older audiences

[@Vallun]

Cool idea using the community to vote, it seemed a lot more accurate than I thought it would be. I agree with your list as well. Though I think the ratings of MMOs aren't so relevant to those niche audiences who are looking for once specific thing. Perhaps an idea you could do is an MMO flow chart, like if you want pay to win, then you go down the line with BDO league of angels or w/e, if you want gear grind down the FF14 and WoW line, horizontal progression then GW2.

[@jinejujutsu3714]

I quite like the idea to be honest. Does such a flow chart exist? If yes, could you link it?

[@Vallun]

@@jinejujutsu3714 it does not, it requires quite an experienced person to do so, which is why I thought peon would be the one to do it

[@spaaaaace8952]

Don't be retarded. BDO is not nearly as P2W as other games in this list. Definitely not as P2W as Lost Ark or Albion, which Peon keeps simping for.

[@Vallun]

@@spaaaaace8952 sorry im not making distinctions between mmos i dont know much about? But getting offended someone says BDO is pay to win is maybe not it man

[@MMOStein]

A lot more accurate??? Bitch everything was in F tier lmao

[@a.r.m.ysoulpillar6213]

I love Old School RuneScape, the childhood memories keeps on returning while playing it, not to mention a lot of new contents as well

[@ramencakes5196]

Osrs should be High A or S I feel like the only reason final fantasy won is because majority of his fans are weebs so they will vote for FF

[@jonny7444]

Should be S

[@ナナ-w6p3m]

@@jonny7444 we arent 30, nobody young is playing osrs

[@colonian83]

@@ナナ-w6p3m im 19, love osrs but not sure why i've poured over a thousand hours into it. something about the progression, charm and obstacles of the game

[@KingM119]

​@@ナナ-w6p3m wrongo bucko

[@MrGrogan02]

"An expansion that people seem to be reviewing very positively early on." Could be used to describe almost every WoW Expansion. I think Cata is the only one I can think of that people immediately hated lol.

[@GRIMHOOD99]

People were bashing MoP before it was even released but it was pretty good expansion.

[@dabo150]

The last couple expansions have all been shit talked before they even came out, for good reasons. Dragonflight is the first good expansion since Legion.

[@Chris____.]

@@dabo150 Bro stop lying, the vast mayority of WoW players love the first 3 months of a new expansion release and always talk good stuff (literally dicksuck blizzard) about it as if it was the best expansion ever. Then they either quit the game for 2 years or start bitching about all the problems of the expansion on the 3th month. This has happened with **Every single WoW expansion.**

[@georgeallison6528]

@@GRIMHOOD99 It was probably the top 3 overall even, and some can argue MOP was the best pve expansion.

[@tjtower]

People hated it, but now they look back and go “ehhh, it wasn’t really that bad” - mostly because it just kept getting worse for years I personally loved cata

[@Kvothe1994]

You should have stated that only people who played each game can vote. Lotro and Swtor both deserve an A tier if anything for the IP and world building in a still going official mmo. Also you skipped over everquest, everquest project 1999, and SW Galaxy emu private server.

[@feelixx]

I find it really interesting that even though the community tends to be very vocal about combat systems and how important they are, that this poll of the community didnt place any significant weight on action combat systems.

[@Freestyle80]

this 'community' is the vocal community as you can see by the FF14 overpraises

[@dharmdevil]

I can't believe how oblivious most players in the west are to Ragnarok online. The game was launched earlier than WoW and still has a lot of aspect to it that is better than most of the games in this list. It was an MMO ahead of its time.

[@tjtower]

A lot of good older games were omitted or just thrown in D/F because this community has never played them. I loved RO back in the day

[@Royal.Grand.Majesty]

About time GW2 gets some love, the game is epic

[@KNJpd]

I think if people dedicated enough time for runescape 3 and properly observed pvm mechanics and quests they would easily rank it as at least A tier. Some stories there are really amazing. For pvming the issue is that high end pvm is locked behind lots and lots of hours to entry and many more until you master it and most do not get to see how awesome fighting a boss can feel. Casuals stop after trying out 4-5 bosses which are decades old . Intricate mechanics, having a particular spell save you from a gigantic boss that you are 1v1-ing, seeing how smooth it is and realizing how nice of a flow there is for fighting bosses is a thing that a lot of people miss.

[@beeverino]

Almost all MMOs suffer from the "The show gets good on episode 200" thing. Just the nature of the genre. I'm glad it brings joy to folks who made it to episode 200, but it's definitely not something myself nor most will enjoy.

[@juliozimmerman1433]

If they'd found another way to monetize the game without having to infest it with MTX, it would easily be A tier.

[@phenetiik]

MTX is the only thing that keeps rs3 from been a high A mmo. It has thousands of hours of varied, traceable, non buyable completions content. A unique skilling system, with great depth.

[@shirophoenix01]

As a former Neverwinter player Im surprised it reached C tier, Id probably vote for D or F with all the crappy changes and monetization that keeps creeping in. After NW I migrated to FF14 and Im so happy to see it so close to S tier, Id definitely wouldve voted for S as well. My experience in the game has been great. I miss my guildies in NW but I cant with how shit the game became, when I migrated to FF14 the difference was night and day and it reinforced my decision. I only wish that NW got better, I wouldnt mind paying a monthly sub if it meant getting quality game play and design like in FF14.

[@Demandrer539]

Neverwinter was always something I wanted to play but graphics looked poor etc. Was the pvp any good in it?

[@meow-wv9yc]

i tried to get into ff14 but its so slow and fetchy

[@shirophoenix01]

@@Demandrer539 never played pvp but my guildies always complained about how dead pvp was. Its been a major complaint and as far as ive heard it hasnt received any updates that are meaningful. Its been a while since i payed any attention to updates tho so i could be wrong.

[@shirophoenix01]

@@meow-wv9yc it indeed can get fetchy. The quests are slow too. I just like the rest of it, its what makes me look past the tediousness of the never ending fetch quests. I do get that its not for everyone tho and thats cool too :)

[@ToukaGontier]

Extra comment supporting GW2 c: Hoping it can continue to rise to become S tier. Went through so many MMO's over the years trying to find the right one. Constantly always came back to GW2 and have found its now the one I enjoy the most and will always have space in my heart for. I do struggle with it as a solo player sometimes, as being in a guild helps tremendously for endgame content and getting other things completed faster. However it definitely is playable solo, just need to find the right parties to join for endgame content.

[@wingnutmcspazatron3957]

Hell yeah dude! I am the same way, always coming back.. Best MMO in my humble opinion.

[@Pivotwrath]

If only the game was better optimized and not so single core cpu driven, the fps drops are huge

[@ToukaGontier]

@@Pivotwrath Yeh definitely in larger player areas. Though it is pretty friendly at least with what specs you need to join with on low graphics. I play with integrated graphics maxing out both my GPU and CPU but I still play with minimal lag, just low fps (about 30 at best in mistlock). Though my PC black screens trying to run DX11 in anything that isnt windowed mode sadly :c

[@Zarturael]

GW2 finally gettin some well deserved recognition 💓

[@AleksandrStrizhevskiy]

I check your channel once or twice a year, and holy shit you changed! Must have been a lot of hard work getting yourself in shape like that. You are unrecognizable.

[@Catzillator]

This tier list teaches us one thing. People are hard to please.

[@Reclusive247]

So you want a realistic, down-to-earth show that's completely off the wall and swarming with magic robots?

[@lamarsmith7530]

@@Reclusive247 bro stop typing in KZbin comments

[@Reclusive247]

@@lamarsmith7530 Thanks for the feedback, bro. Maybe shush a bit yourself?

[@Catzillator]

@@Reclusive247 Robot casting magic !! that's PSO NGS nah it suck.

[@ataridc]

it proves MMO players are r_tards

[@RobeatWorld]

I agree with your list more than the community's list. But sadly, there is no MMO thats doing it for me currently :( I keep rotating from WoW > GW2 > FFXIV > Lotro > New World > ESO. Currently on ESO and play some destiny 2 on the side. I doubt there will ever be a great MMO again.... or maybe im just too old to enjoy MMO's like i did in the past with Runescape, Wow and gw2.

[@k.t.1641]

Sounds like me. I really like eso more than others though it seems. Maybe cause I'm a lore nut for that world though.

[@zargisan9017]

I 100% agree with YOUR tier list. The community has so much emotion behind their game of choice and I understand that. I just feel like you’ve always had an unbiased take on MMOs.

[@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it]

unbiased? he put wow in A tier. classic and retail in A fking tier. mediocre overhyped nostalgia driven games. dragonflight is overrated and ppl are praising it bcuiz they had 3 terrible expansions before it. gw2, swtor and ff14 mops the floor with wow retail and classic. and all the normies and neckbeards saying otherwise just live in denial for 10+ years.

[@johnaldjensen4617]

@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it WoW is in A tier because it's the most popular game simple as, chud,but yeah, you're totally not in denial yourself LOL. A 14 year old re-release *alone* windmill dunks on FF - Naxxramas having 1.5x more raidlogs than the entirety of every single FF encounter tells you all you need to know, not even including Retail here. 😂🙂

[@CrypticElements]

@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it LOL

[@aarondrivesabus]

@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it as he said, community has so much emotion lmfao

[@Theonepieceisfriendship]

@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it cry harder

[@sergiogranero9voleyball223]

archeage deserved to be at A tier, it was an AMAZING game, you just had to understand labor right, the combat was just amazing, 1v1, 5v5, 10v10, 50v50, it was superior to any game on any pvp thing

[@WordsOfTheTeacher]

Holy crap I came here to say how good GW2 is and I see a lot of the top comments already doing that, my heart is full. So happy to see my favorite game getting loved

[@grimvii2917]

as a hardcore FFXIV player I am also really happy to see GW2 up there. Really enjoyable game as well, I always go back to it during ff content breaks

[@fnatixcsgo]

"hardcore FFXIV player" hahaha

[@Sir_Lagg_A_Lot]

@@fnatixcsgo FFXIV has some very difficult content. Some people just choose to ignore its existence. It is true that FFXIV focuses on being a casual game and more of a RPG rather than a MMO.

[@PichiStail]

@@fnatixcsgo You clearly have not witnessed the Ultimate Omega Protocol race, have you? xD

[@stabegabe]

@@fnatixcsgo the latest two ultimate raids on ffxiv are easily the hardest individual boss fights made in any mmo ever

[@lokmanaydn6080]

@@fnatixcsgo try savage and ultimates i dare you

[@flakes1972]

Good to see that SWTOR is still holding it's own, really slept on as an MMO

[@muahwii]

love swtor

[@goransekulic3671]

Love SWTOR, but it deserves B tier. If they continued on with the class stories and such, A tier would be more like it.

[@radicalcentrist4990]

SWTOR is a good game overall but as an MMO it kinda fails.

[@kylefracaro5087]

I always though it was the best story telling in star wars. The sith and imperial agent storylines were so good!

[@goransekulic3671]

@@kylefracaro5087 The Sith? Which Sith? Agent? Yeah, it was adapted very nicely, but it's just Bauer + Bourne + Bond. Won't say no to it, but I also like to show how it is. Consular and Trooper got really short changed. Consular had a very nice idea about each of its Acts being representative of one Alternate Class(1=Sage, 2=Consular, 3=Shadow), but it wasn't implemented very proficiently. Trooper ... yeah, they really should've used bots more to simulate pseudo Republic Commando. Especially in Act 3. And should've relied less on intuitive leaps of logic. This is an action story, it don't belong here imo. My favorite? Smuggler, without a shade of doubt! Light Side Smuggler is just such a feel good, super fun romp in the Star Wars. What an experience!

[@ShoukaKonton]

It surprises me to this day that not a single mmo list I have seen includes Dark age of camelot, i mean everquest and such was also skipped but Dark of camelot still has people playing and I still believe it has one of the best PvP elements to in comparision to even mmos to date. Maybe its niche idk but would love someone to atleast mention it.

[@brianvickery4071]

If you're looking to try out Eve Online some helpful suggestions: Each part of the game has its own dynamics etc: Hi-Sec, LoSec, Nullsec and Wormholes. If new, be sure to join a corp/alliance with newbie classes, I went through Eve Uni and they got me to stick around.

[@bobar84c]

Eve online is on another lvl... cant compare it to themepark mmos. I dont recommend it at all🤣. When I said to my friend that I was at eve uni and had classes with powerpoint slides it was immediate turn off.

[@mark05979]

Everquest/Everquest 2 and Dark Age of Camelot should be on those lists as they have larger communities then half of these games still.

[@izikiel]

This ^

[@absolute8342]

You could make an argument to say that none of the games in the list would even exist without EQ and DAoC. They are that influential and important. Everyone knows about EQ, even if you havent played it

[@lovathon6365]

the main issue with either one is - you need to pay to actually enjoy the games otherwise you're painfully stuck in f2p (id say the worst being eq2) - THOUGH the one benefit to paying is you get 4 game subs for 1 price...

[@atlasblast2082]

I think you nailed it. GW2 is one i recently started in, and regret not being involved sooner. But Destiny 2 deserves a place on this list, It is F2P the base game. Also very MMO more so than single player story. Probably low A-High B realistically, emotionally for me though it would be the only S.

[@biged7530]

dont forget Warframe brother. but hell yeah . Destiny 2 shoudl be up there for sure great game

[@Kamal-ju6qx]

No way destiny 2 is ftp

[@finalfan321]

doesn't matter when you start gw2 really, you can jump in at any time

[@staripas1640]

yah yah F2P where you are limited on all what is important haha, but thats and in other games whats P2P and give out F2P

[@BroBomba]

Destiny has no place in a comparison with games like GW2, RS, WoW, or FFXIV. I have no issues against it, but it fails to put the "MM" in MMO. An online looter shooter is what describes it best.

[@jerryhung8323]

Im shock that FFXI is being placed in the F tier, it was such an amazing game back in the early 20s

[@ataridc]

doesnt make any sense, it's not an F tier by any means. Good atmosphere, art direction, gameplay, etc. It was an absolutely beloved game back in the day.

[@Tybal65]

2022 had been a very strong year for GW2-that is compared to its previous years anyway. But it really needs to keep up the momentum and release actual, new content. There's been some QoL changes, class balance changes and some form of revitalization of old content like Living World S1, as well as the alliance betas for WvW, all of which are great. I hope that the new LW chapter is solid and high quality so that we know they are committed to giving us quality new content going forward. The latest expansion is decent, but Heart of Thorns and Path of Fire amazed me in various ways that End of Dragon didn't. That's something I'd like to see changed, even if it comes from the LW episodes.

[@realcolormusic]

GW2 is a great game, but the colors make me blind. Every time I started it I felt like after looking at a flashbang in counterstrike. But I can fully recommend it for the content. I was beta tester back then, and it was the only MMO I played till the end, because I don't got bored.

[@charlesdesbrosses9931]

Hopefully they let us turn vfx from other players down someday...

[@pinnacull]

@@realcolormusic the colors can be quite bright, however you can make them significantly darker by going into settings>graphics> and turn off postprocessing.

[@procerator]

@@realcolormusic stop playing mesmer :D

[@MrFearlesskiller]

i tried it and it was boring af

[@WLOGDM]

I really like this format/approach. Well done. I personally agree more with your list. But we’ll done on taking the communities input. Love it!

[@MGArtDZN]

As a BDO player for more than 5 years, it's nice to see what the general public thinks of it. This made me curious about guild wars 2, since I heard a lot about it recently and it seems to be voted as better than BDO. I've only played BDO, FF14, Lost ark, TOF, NW, EVE and MapleStory 2, so I'm not really the mmo expert, so it's nice to use this as kind of a recomendation for mmo', since they are my fav genre of games.

[@procerator]

Good thing about GW2 is that is is free. Free accounts have a lot of pretty significant QOL restrictions but at least you can try it.

[@Relhio]

The games are different in what they're aiming for. BDO has the issue with competitiveness asking far too much time, PvP boiling down to who lands their cc first and no structure to PvE that people are used to (dungeons and raids). While GW2 tried to be different and now they're fixing what they tried to do and still having trouble with what it wants to do. I've spent only 800 hours in BDO while I have over 2.5k in GW2. GW2 respects your time more, and just like FFXIV everything is there no matter the time you decide to do it. They just give a lot of freedom, the community is very like minded (except PvP, don't listen to them, close that dooR NOW!) probably cause the average player base is mid 20s or higher, content has a good mix of difficult and casual, huge variety in play style and pretty good story starting with the expansions.

[@killcha_in]

bdo is a game for people who want the game to play itself for them

[@MoeTea4U]

One thing I loved about Lineage 2 was the clans I stay loyal to my clan we had a great clan leader she and her other half where great; the events where awesome talking to them before hand and choosing a side of the story we wanted to progress on the server and then doing quests together then also partaking in Clan battles for zones was just fun being part getting a discount if we won and helped the major clan defend or defeat the other clan was neat also. Wow will always be my go to MMO; I played a lot of the other MMOs but the max about 1/2months with my ex she liked them but would always go back to wow. I guess once you've invested into one MMO its hard to reinvest into another. Edit. The biggest problem with MMO is that the players normally don't have a direct line of commutation to the Dev team to change the world towards something everyone can invest into.

[@DiaGall]

Lineage 2 (old chronicles) is all about PvP and its best game ever in this case

[@runeiso]

Final Fantasy XI is S tier! Also that new horizonxi server is amazing

[@tjtower]

Private servers are nice, but even retail blows most of these MMOs out of the water. How many MMOs on this list could you play every day for a year and still have stuff to do? It’s really just a couple - and XI is one of them

[@runeiso]

@@tjtower Oh I play Retail also. Just been loving the HorizonXI. I feel like ffxiv could be good too if it wasn't braindead easy just makes it boring

[@Ephremjlm1]

@@tjtower Its funny because I don't really play retail (I play horizon mostly) but I still pay my sub. Also canceled 14's sub lol

[@Zantetsudex]

GW2 having the top spot on your end is no surprise, since the game fits most of what you want out of the genre to a tee.

[@glorymmo]

inactive devs, poor balance, and no progression? thats what people want in an mmorpg now?

[@Zantetsudex]

@@glorymmo Apparently so, and people love it!

[@enkidu9889]

@@Zantetsudex yea its tiny population loves it lol

[@Zantetsudex]

@@enkidu9889 That tiny population has more good taste in MMOs than people who play a re-release of a 15-year old version of one.

[@RedNuii]

@@enkidu9889 ‘tiny’ lol

[@aaron40cavalier]

It's cool to see by votes what mmo's are voted the best. I'm surprised Vindictus was voted so low but also surprised it's known enough to be on this list. Vindictus is my favorite game of all time. There are a lot of games I play on this list weather I've played them for an hour or a hundred hours. Keep up the good work

[@DizzyWolf]

I started playing Secret World Legends a few months ago, and I've been thoroughly enjoying it. It's different from most MMOs, even if the community is practically dead. As someone who has played a lot of irritatingly similar MMOs, I find SWL's uniqueness to be refreshing.

[@DizzyWolf]

@moohypunter6177 It's on Steam.

[@OneTwoMark]

Elder Scrolls lore with New World gameplay (maybe an extra ability and mounts) and SWTOR dialogie/cutscene system would be my idea of a perfect MMO.

[@Captain0conrad]

I am absolutely baffled that FFXI got voted as an F tier game. One of the best old school mmos for it’s time. Wtf.

[@B1u35ky]

Proof people have no idea what they want out of an mmo these days. Literally one of the best MMOs ever made

[@Captain0conrad]

@@B1u35ky Seriously. Like I don’t even know what to knock it down for.

[@ChaseFace]

Heard of HorizonXI? It just came out in December.

[@Captain0conrad]

@@ChaseFace yeah I have it installed. Haven’t hopped in yet. Everyone says it’s really fun.

[@vagiasthanasis]

Played this one for over 8 years i too believe its a crime to put it on F. People voted for this without ever playing it. I would put it on B Tier easily

[@ChaosRevealsOrder]

After 2.5k hours in GW2 I have a lot of praise for the game, but I also think the graphics show their age and might be offputing to many. WoW has the advantage of the cartoonish stylized world, which will never get old.

[@procerator]

Honestly, graphics in GW2 is decent. The bigger problem is client optimization. I am happy with current graphics if I can run it at constant 144FPS on my RTX 3080. But unfortunately that almost never happens. Especially on maps with snow or other particle effects.

[@DaddyBufalo]

But wow is uglier than gw2

[@procerator]

@@DaddyBufalo not for players already invested in WoW. Personally, I detest how ground looks in WoW. It is so flat and low-res.

[@DaddyBufalo]

@@procerator yeah. Graphics are the main thing that I don't like in wow. The game is nice but I can't stand graphics

[@Redsword603]

@@DaddyBufalo I gotta say too. The graphics does look pretty low res compared to GW2's graphics.

[@TheStoic84]

As an MMO veteran, I tried ESO because I got it for free in a Humble Bundle. For background I've played EQ1, EQ2, Dark Age of Camelot, WoW (before expansions), Guild Wars, Guild Wars 2, FF11(hated it), FF14, etc. The list goes on. Practically every popular MMO since EQ1 I've tried. I found the world lifeless and uninspiring. My preferences in an MMO is to enjoy the gameplay and the journey to endgame, and I don't typically don't stick around for the actual end game, as I don't find repeating the same exact content over and over to be all that enjoyable(I do enough of that at my real-life job). So with that in mind, in my brief adventure in ESO I couldn't find one thing that it did better than any other MMO. It's combat is.. alright? It's no better than FF14, Guild Wars 2 or Black Desert Online, but the stiff and floaty nature of the animations in game really took me out of the experience. The static never-changing, no-event world took me out of the experience after having played both Guild Wars 2 & FF14. ESO feels like an MMO that was a 'first' for a lot of people because of the Elder Scrolls background. A game where if it's your first experience of an MMO, maybe you stick with it and branch out because of comfort or a sunk cost fallacy. I just find Guild Wars 2 and Final Fantasy 14 to be superior MMO's in basically every aspect in terms of the journey I'm looking for in an MMO. This was a long rant on a 2 month old video that no one will read.

[@sincityrednek8377]

The disrespect that everquest live and everquest project 1999 gets from the mmo community needs to stop. Both still have an active player base and deserve recognition when mmos are being covered by big channels. This is day 1 of me bugging creators to cover EQ content

[@mackenziedelrey3699]

p99 is at the top of the list, these nubs just don't know what pinnacle mmoing is. Some of the most competitive raiding you'll ever see.

[@dupre7416]

Abso-freakin-lutely @Sincity Rednek ! No proper list of MMORPGs is complete without EQ.

[@BlackHawk21ification]

Wow can't believe trove and conqueror's blade were both put in F tier, both mmo were unique with amazing identity.

[@bradyvilhauer4445]

Trove was pretty dope. It was so hack n slash plus a bit of adventure. I’ve always loved games where you can plop your home down in common areas like trove. Super cool concept, very very friend-driven (as in, playing with friends was aeons better than alone, imo)

[@spizzeh]

I'd have averaged out each of the votes to determine the tier the game ended up on, rather than on whichever tier got the most votes. Either way, really interesting how the list ended up - not sure I agree with a lot of votes. 😅

[@KegstandOG]

I see no mention of Everquest in this list...seriously? Not only is the game chugging along it also has about 20 emu servers still with several thousand players. Has everything that most of the other games have. HTF is BDO considered great combat just because of combos? Cause the movement is horribly clunky and janky AF. No Star Trek Online? SWTOR is one of the best first level through games released imo. I literally hate questing and lore in most games and actually truly enjoyed the story in SWTOR. Archeage the first release=best pvp mmo ever released (for that genre), the housing in itself was the second best part of the game. FF supposedly is great but no pvp and the one time I almost played it my friends server was full and closed so I said F it and never played it. I think it's the only mmo I haven't played.

[@Bon-Gi]

FFXI in F tier is a crime

[@vagiasthanasis]

Truth. Clearly not many people have played this game but still voted

[@triple1]

Is it an MMORPG ?

[@vagiasthanasis]

@@triple1 yes

[@tjtower]

So many of these comments keep coming up - I really wish one of these MMO KZbinrs would jump in and try the game out. It has like 99% of what they all ask for besides action combat and PvP

[@Ephremjlm1]

@@tjtower Its funny because out of all people Ninja stated streaming a classic server of it a few years ago and he was still getting like 2k-3k viewers during his stream. A bunch of people tried it and found that the game was actually really good. Yeah its an older game so its gonna be a little foreign but surprisingly a lot of new people got into it.

[@jeybeElSueco]

As a former WoW player (8 year experience) We in the mmo community need something fresh & new. I can't be the only one thinking about the glory days of these game right?

[@Syngrafer]

Played WoW since 2007. It's kinda sad MMOs are still largely the same as WoW.

[@DiabloDBS]

EVE is a very deep rabbit hole. If you want to really try and indulge yourself into it you might wanna contact some people to show you around as it can otherwise take quite some time. And for the ones i know i nearly completely agree with this tier list which also suprised me a bit but i agree that there should be different tiers for the F tier games ^^.

[@supportivepsycho6649]

personally i love and will always love DCUO, i quit 2-2nd a half years ago but it holds a special place in my heart. If the devs got rid of p2w and actually worked on their game/pvp they'd have a ton of players come back. its just most players have quit coz of lack luster updates, p2w shop for everything, broken pvp, and a grind that feels so long for so little. imo not and F tier game, since you can play it for free and still enjoy somewhat the gameplay it has to offer. D tier seems a good fit till it gets some love for the devs

[@divinelyshpongled]

Such a good vid man - perfect mix of your opinion and community opinion. The effort you put into these vids is very apparent and you're an asset to the community.

[@dayofdisarray]

Im actually surprised to not see either Rose Online and Silkroad missing from this list. 2 awesome MMO's from way back in the days.

[@adriannv2562]

Silkroad, oh boy so many memories, used to play it when I was around 14 until I ended up getting my account stolen. Not sure if it was the Chinese bot service that I used that keylogged me or my "gf" that I gave my password to, I think it was the latter. 💀🤦‍♂

[@NeverClimbing]

no flyff and ragnarok either.

[@Contruableful]

I also missed silkroad online and mu online. those 2 games were my favors

[@dennisengelen2517]

People complaining about grind, bots and p2w who haven't played SRO just haven't seen anything yet. Goldfarmers were a mass plague, everyone used SBot (even botting 24/7 with it would take up to WAY OVER A YEAR to get level cap!) and premiumPLUS and that devil's ghost suit thing which made you float and made you get purple gas floating out/around you wrre required for PvP. Ohh and don't get me starting on alchemy, gosh the amount of gold you've had to sink to make sure your weapon didn't get destroyed after +5 was insane! And the most unbalanced classes of any game, certain skills (I'm looking at you warrior and cleric) had to be part of PvP etiquette to never be used because of how broken they were. Let's not forget Roc, a boss that not once afaik in the existense of iSRO has been beaten. How in the seven Hells I ever loved and enjoyed that piece of shit is beyond me, but did I have a good time!

[@AttackonRiles]

Ok, I never thought @TheLazyPeon was going to be that hot...

[@RedeemedChains]

I agree that doing a community to your list is good. What I don't like about tier lists is the ambiguous rating system. My encouragement would be create a new rating system instead of s through f

[@stephiec4062]

It's crazy to think OSRS is still A tier after almost 20 years.

[@omegaxtrigun]

I feel like the community list was pretty good. I think everything in the A tier has potential to feel like an S tier game if it lines up with your personal interests.

[@kesamek8537]

Wise comment is wise.

[@jesuisradmusic]

Yeah, basically any of them could be S tier for sure. In a community poll type ranking, no MMO will ever achieve S-tier status--the genre's fans are way too tribalistic for something like that to happen.

[@ramencakes5196]

Besides retail wow I agree

[@mittenvonscrufflears7233]

I think Guild Wars 2 is a really amazing game(my personal favorite), but whenever I mention it irl to people who also play videogames, they usually haven't even heard of Guild Wars 2. I feel like the main reason for this is that Arenanet sucks with marketing, they do practically none and it's probably the one area I want them to work the most on so they can attract new players. I've noticed that Gw2's playerbase consists of a lot more veterans compared to other games(even those who played Gw1, there's a surprising number), and on one hand that's good because it means that a lot of the people that play are staying and not just never looking back at the game again, but it also means that the game is getting an unhealthy lack of fresh blood. Because veterans can't sustain a game forever, they get a family or get otherwise too busy, get tired of it, maybe even die etc. The point is that those veterans don't last forever. The future of a game is determined by new players, so I think if they marketed more, then the game would become a lot more well known and gain a LOT more players

[@viniciusbraga7520]

Albion is like the representation of a true MMO and a true RPG where you can literally do anything and the way you want it. It should have been minimum A tier. The other games might have more lore and storylines... thing is, those are the world's stories and not yours, differently from albion where the focus is the player and not the world.

[@its_thatsologuy5826]

just gonna leave out the ole pay to win bs though huh lol

[@viniciusbraga7520]

albion is a place where paying will give you a progress advantage but you can achieve everything without paying@@its_thatsologuy5826

[@gramarmy]

I would like to see you put some time into EVE online. It's a game I've played about 5 times and never got into end game or pvp side of things, but I'm always drawn to WANT to play it. Every time I do play for 5 or 6 days at a time, I do enjoy my time.

[@usovinny7567]

SWTOR is one of my all time favorite MMOs so glad the community agrees that it’s a great one.

[@Калифоникейшн]

Allods Online in F tier? Damn, it hurts me, it's a good game with a lot of potential.

[@ELyAvErEX]

GW2 will be my mmo this year. Amazing game!!!

[@MyLovelyForm]

Id put BDO on S tier, especially after the improvements they done and they keep improving it, only negative things bout BDO is that is not full f2p friendly but recently they make it much less p2w, very overwhelming game to start since its a real MMO not just a online RPG game like 90% of the games on this lists are and theres sooo many things you can do in the game to progress and lastly pvp lag can be annoying.

[@Relhio]

I never found BDO to be p2w, but it did have too much convenience behind the shop, although it's whatever. My main gripe was the grind required for competitive gear and pvp boiling down to dodging for 10 minutes until you find an opening, get a stun and win.

[@Sir_Rebral]

I'm a bit biased because I have thousands of hours in both of these but GW2 and OSRS should definitely be S tier imo. They're incredible MMO's that have stood the test of time and maintained high player numbers with consistent updates, albion I'd say could push A tier but it isnt very new player/solo friendly with the massive open world multi-PvP areas. The rest of the list I'd probably agree with

[@ervin9813]

Metin2 in F tier? What is with peoples? Did they try Metin2 or Metin2 private servers, or was just voted down because of the looks?