MMOs are dead and I'm tired.

There's just nothing exciting in the MMO genre anymore. It's such a depressing thought, but if you're not playing one of the DECADE OLD MMOs, you're not playing an MMO. And have very little to look forward to for YEARS.
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[@MMOByte]

There's just nothing exciting in the MMO genre anymore. It's such a depressing thought, but if you're not playing one of the DECADE OLD MMOs, you're not playing an MMO. And have very little to look forward to for YEARS. What do you think? Are you having as much fun in the MMO genre as you used to?

[@KevTheKing236]

It’s really unfortunate, along with getting into your channel around 2020 I started getting really deep into MMO’s and I genuinely haven’t seen a single NEW mmo drop. I got into Pso2 and had a lot of fun and then NGS dropped 2 months later and it was literally dead on release. Was excited for blue protocol and look at that, riot MMO and look at that. It sucks as someone who’s starved wanting to get into this genre more and more and seeing every developer drop it or move into something else.

[@bokchoy9632]

why don't you make your own mmorpg LOL

[@Divide33]

I’m having a ton of fun in WoW season of discovery and Pandaria Remix to be honest. Really fun, truly reigniting my WoW passion

[@DannyboyO1]

I've kinda been getting my MMO itch scratched by Helldivers 2 lately.

[@bokchoy9632]

become a game developer stix

[@KevTheKing236]

Blue protocol has gotta be one of my biggest disappointments ever. So much potential being wasted

[@MMOByte]

I feel like that's every MMO release of the last few years lol

[@paradoxwraith5275]

I didn't even want to hear about it after they censored sh.

[@XeqtrM1]

The only thing I didn't like was the gacha thats all other wise the game was good enough but how people r today no MMO will ever be good enough because MMO isent made to rush but that's how people does it if they actually played how it is ment to be they would enjoy the game alot more il say it now no modern MMO players would last a month with OG wow from 2004 not classic but vanilla when we didn't know when raid came etc no quest helper nothing were people used about a month to get to 60

[@Xesxus]

That could be said about a lot of mmos

[@XeqtrM1]

@@Xesxus I just used em as a example nothing more I don't want to type every MMO that exist but at the end of the day it's r fault for rushing em

[@Mexican00b]

MMO means "massively *monetized* online games"

[@chilomine839]

Imagine if they made a start to finish Tales series like story but with a MMO style battle system and loot system and put them on a disk. Sadly anime-ish style games have been relegated to MMOs or gachas.

[@mramisuzuki6962]

15$ a month for WOW at the time was a legit price issue for many people.

[@dcry1003]

thats the new meaning sadly

[@TyeCoz]

Massively Monetized Online Roll Pulling Games

[@EzkMonkey]

This comment made my day

[@ahmedtag3904]

Aren't we all old friend 😔

[@Dexiray]

comma, use it. I read that 3 different ways 😂

[@ahmedtag3904]

​@@Dexiray I mean we are all here sharing this sad moment with our friend stix and then there are morons like you pointing out grammar mistakes like my guy this a fucking random comment on KZbin when the fuck do I have to write it like I'm writing a goddamn resume

[@charroboo]

​​@@Dexiray I read it 13 diferent ways

[@ROMVS]

​@Dexiray understanding is comprehension and getting past the noise, no need to be the grammar police in a public comment on a video, just blame their autocorrect and assume better off others

[@Unknoyz]

nah i dont know u

[@mikigzaielart]

I was so hype for Blue Protocol...But now I don't know what to feel

[@user-ul9cd3jq5i]

sorry I must be missing something.. what happened?

[@MMoaii]

@@user-ul9cd3jq5i its basically delayed until further notice. Smilegate posted an announcement a little but ago mentioning that the game is not ready by any means to launch anywhere outside japan. So they are working with them. To what extent we have no idea. My hype has died due to the delay. Idc bout the censorship

[@3823100]

@@user-ul9cd3jq5i its dead and its been dead for a while even en asia lmao, mainly because its been delayed for years now here in the west

[@Eisi0wns]

I feel spending even a minute in Blue Protocol is a waste of fucking time. You're welcome.

[@WateringDNami]

Feel back to genshin impact

[@Nobuwaroo]

"Pseudo MMO" is probably the way of the future for mmos. Games that mimic or simulate that MMO feel. Like monster hunter world, and wilds in the future, large public lobbies at most.

[@SkinalX]

You mean rpg with coop 😅

[@shinkai9kami162]

Like xenoverse 2

[@richcast66]

It will come back, once real immersive virtual reality come out in a few decades

[@mazzyycat]

Good and somewhat optimistic take actually. I'd take MH over gacha games or asian F2P games every day of the week

[@tenkuken7168]

Granblue relink also the original granblue is just an mmo tbh but like it's 2d but there's a lot of player interaction in the game

[@Kasraken]

Well I think it all boils down to the fact that "back in the day" MMO was just a word, and that word was connected with good games you could play and socialize with other people around the world. The players of that era have all grown up now and the current generation of gamers use other forms of social media platforms to connect (such as Facebook, KZbin, Twitch, Reddit, Twitter and so on). All they need a game to be is just good and entertaining, it does not even need to be online or multiplayer to do that. Anyway I have typed too much. Good video!

[@randomf2pplayah768]

I still can't get over how people like using discord when the system is convuluted and janky asf just to "discuss" or "talk" about stuff when you can talk ingame.

[@Barnaclebeard]

You think we didn't have better ways to socialize on the Internet than MMOs before corporations commercialized our social spaces??

[@al-che-ra]

@@randomf2pplayah768 Communication online shifted from conversational format to a comment > reply format like I'm doing right now. It's more efficient but also sad because it's more difficult to form connections with people this way. Also the thumbs up, upvote system turns this format into a game of ego inflation/deflation.

[@lenerlink]

After I had my 7 year run with Black Desert there was nothing else to look forward to, I pretty much "settled with PSO2:NGS" while shifting my attention towards Gatcha games.

[@MMOByte]

Yup.. most players have moved to either Gacha, or Survival games.

[@leywald]

Yo, same case here 5 years of bdo and now I'm playing Pso2:NGS 😂

[@idkdude6665]

Everyone shitted on pso2 ngs when it launched, it is worthy playing now?

[@SorarikoMotone]

@@idkdude6665 depends, but its definitely quite a bit better than before. gearing still's a tw@t, tho, with the prices to upgrade and shiz. also still ways to go from being "good" because we are barely into the updates that actually bring content people actually wanted (the instanced content), but its "okay" at the very least. but hey, at least i can make my femboy actually look good, so thats nice

[@obamabinladin1134]

@@SorarikoMotone as someone that finally played PSO when it came to Xbone/PC it was a great experience. THen when NGS came, It all came down with the downgrades when it launched. Especially, when I didnt even want to touch NGS yet. After looklng at NGS state over the years its sad where it is now compared to where PSO left the bar. Dropped the game a month after.

[@somethinglikesilver5369]

You're spot on man. Deep down we're all still trying to re-visit that first time mmo experience but I don't think that will ever happen again. At best, I hope the future will have a re-ermegence of MMO hype but I fear that is a long ways out.

[@mikali1704]

no that's not true, what we want is the new good quality mmo

[@Xialoh]

It'll happen again. We're waiting for AI progression at this point.

[@Ted_Kenzoku]

@@mikali1704 nah we just want a decent mmo experience like we had before. we ain't askng for that much. it doesn't have to be perfect, just not some garbage money grab short term profit shit companies are making today that you play solo anyway and have to pay to continue playing.

[@al-che-ra]

I think our only hope at this point is an AI driven mmorpg that can be run locally on our computers that simulates a 2004 world with thousands of players running around around talking to each other and able to talk to you. It have to be so advanced these "npc players" would appear identical to talking and interacting with another human player. Essentially an AI driven time machine to go back and experience what the online social world was like again because these days it's totally different.

[@nahimanaraoul5349]

MMO was a genre that could have succeeded if people had a genuine desire to participate. Every time something happened in the MMO community, it was either developers stealing starter money and leaving an unfinished mess or no effort was made to make it fun.

[@darkness_120]

Just like Asmon said, MMOs used to serve as a community hub for people to interact with each other, times has changed since, with all the social media etc out there now, people just don't socialise on games like we used to on MMOs specially back in the days. People rather play solo, and many MMOs of the past has changed their direction to accommodate these changes, and were made worse as a result. For example Tera online, I used to play with some friends just after it went free to play, and it was great, had one of the best tab-target combat system, pvp was great, you needed a group of people to do the content around the game etc, and then they started to destroy the game, destroyed pvp, made all the content solo friendly, you pretty much could almost 1 shot most mobs around the world, specially the big ones that before you needed a group of 4 or 5 to do, the game was made boring, and happened to it, it got shut down... Now with Throne and Liberty we spent years for it, it had many iterations of it through its development, and what we got I've I'm being fair is not that great, I have a friend who loves the game and he can't wait for Amazon to release it, and NC is hoping Amazon does a better job with the game then they did, and that the game is more successful here in the west then in there, but I doubt it. Game is pretty focus on PvP content, things locked behind time of the day including main quest of the game, limitations of how much content you can do a day, some stupid decisions etc... game has a solid foundation but all these systems and decisions ain't going to cut it here in the west, and don't get me started on how P2W it is... I used to love MMOs but quite frequently I agree with Stix here, I'm tired, tired of waiting, tired of getting my hopes up... Ashes of Creation won't be the answer trust me, one the game won't come out until 2035 at this point, alpha 2 is about to start this summer and that was meant to have come out in 2018, so yhh, and rumour has it that it will be a buy to play and monthly subscription as well, and heavily focused on PvP as well, so no I'm not hoping for that one, I did back the project back in 2016-2017 when it was on kickstarter just like I did with StarCitizen, but I don't care anymore... so yhh I moved on, now I look for a good ARPG and bounce between them as they are seasonal, and survival games that's what I play nowadays.

[@canelas564]

@@darkness_120 wow nice comment, 2035 wow lol , and yea buy to play and subscription hahahaha , thats funny , in 2035 mmo genre is more dead even. I mostly play cs2 (started at cs 1.6 in my older brother's PC , and then counter strike source on my own (css) casual and zombie servers (zombie escape - ze) and a sometimes Trove too, im waiting for a good free mmorpg to play since like 2019 after i left skyforge , and i just kept going further to those hopes until today, waiting for something good to release one day, if it ever comes out.

[@IAmMrGreat]

@@canelas564 You're gonna keep waiting. "good free mmorpg", three words that don't fit together, even the first two alone is a stretch.

[@hpharold23]

P2W, P2ADVANCE, P2SKIP P2COSMETICS are just the cancers to mmos

[@FlamespeedyAMV]

yet people keep playing games and supporting it

[@ricksouza9299]

P2cosmetics is fine

[@miguelorozco4445]

there is nothing wrong with paying for cosmetics, unless they are like skin gacha that costs $50 dollars

[@FlowerSong606]

paying for cosmetics should be the only way mmos should be but no they gotta kill themselves with p2w

[@ChrisNP87]

Truth!!

[@XionEternum]

I'm still of the belief that MMORPG has evolved into the survival genre. Sure, can't get thousands on a server like old-school MMOs, but the playerbase is there for them.

[@XionEternum]

Addendum: Modern cash-grab MMOs are going to fail because the pay-for-progress aspect is fleeting and leaves a sour aftertaste because it doesn't echo long-term. The only viable way to truly keep an audience is to give them a worthwhile reason to stay through good traditional gameplay systems of effort and reward. Something Warframe does well to a small extent in just the right ways; as the only reasonable example of doing both almost perfectly.

[@MMOByte]

Yup, that's where most people I know in the MMO genre migrated to.

[@ROMVS]

Good take! Hmmmmm

[@Dexiray]

i can't get around liking the survivor genre, sigh

[@randandom]

no

[@kendrickyay]

It is dead yes and I've moved onto playing games of other genres. Not that I don't want to play an MMO but none of them is really trying to deliver a good game so I'm done.

[@shatteredsentient5321]

Truer words have never been spoken

[@justiniansenpai380]

We really need to study the fall of mmo companies…

[@hamlap]

Shareholder value happened..

[@Eisi0wns]

Nothing to study really... veterans stay alive, new MMO are pay to win garbage that look for short term investment.

[@ErronBarbeeYT]

Follow the Money and Lack of Vision from Top to Bottom

[@browal14]

MMOs are expensive to develop, expensive to maintain and keep going, take a long time to get to 1.0 release and require massive player counts to keep the money coming. Look how long the MMO to save them all Ashes of Creation has been in development for, 7 years and no sign of it being released anytime soon if ever. Assuming they release the game. Can it even compete with GW2, WoW, ESO, FF14, RS who have player bases that have been playing for years and are deeply invested in the game

[@WateringDNami]

Chinese bots. Lazy devs. Greedy ceo or company

[@wes705]

Everyone’s forgetting genshin, tof, hi3, and ww are all singular player rpg games with co-op. These games are not massive multiplayer online games

[@matschrepf]

Tof is not just a coop game I see players in game all the time. I oftern see players lower level to me also which makes me feel good haha

[@Miltendo]

ToF is literal multiplayer with multiple people in one map. it's gacha driven mmorpg

[@wes705]

@@Miltendo sry for the misinfo

[@Ted_Kenzoku]

@@Miltendo it's a multiplayer game, but not a massively multiplayer game. it's not an mmorpg. there are 30players in the map, not thousands. battlefield is more of an mmo than tof

[@DjimonMoz]

See, the problem with your mindset is that it's too literal. Just because they're technically different genres doesn't mean they don't cater to the same audience. Over the decades MMOs have amassed a huge influx of solo players. In other words, players who play MMOs for every reason OTHER than interacting with other people now have a list of games the cater to their specific needs, and with no subscription fee to boot. How many MMOs can you possibly expect the industry to put out, when most people are perfectly content with sticking to their LSG of choice? And that's another thing. People in the MMO sphere need to understand that MMOs ARE Live Service Games. They're the original Live Service Games. WoW, FFXIV, GW2 aren't just competing with each other, they're also competing with Genshin, Fortnite, Destiny 2, Warframe and so on. Once you stop making arbitrary distinctions between MMOs and LSGs, everything falls into place.

[@kurikari1675]

The idea of mmo’s died a long time ago. People do not have time for this shit and there all built to time gate you to get you into a store, an then its slow decay over the course for a few years at best

[@MMOByte]

Yup. It's the sad truth.

[@mohamedti1]

Do you think it's possible to keep the massive multi-player online part but change the design (e.g. speed up) so it doesn't feel like a time sink?

[@kurikari1675]

@@mohamedti1 with the way publishers are and how much it takes to run this stuff, no. Pve content in these mmo’s arent actually fun to repeat every week like a job, and other players ruin the game by virtue of how shitty people gotta be in order to clear content. Back in bns there literally was no getting to endgame unless u no life or p2w. Also mmo’s are rly just massive single player online games. U dont interact with other people outside of raiding content usually speaking. If u want to make a live service game gotta be more like helldivers or palworld, or base it on pvp(fighting games) cuz that easily repeatable content

[@SorarikoMotone]

@@mohamedti1 thats what ngs tried, in all honesty, but you can see what it led to, coupled with the problems that the devs still dont know what they want the game to be, after more than a decade. and they still trying to fix it, dunno what it will lead us to

[@inuyasha.mp3]

meh i disagree, people waste multiple hours on slop like valorant. If there was an actual good mmo it would have a huge playerbase. The demand still exists, its just too much time to make one nowadays

[@deenman23]

its crazy to think about the fact that all the top mmo's are all over 10 years old,some over 20,this is an issue that only seems to plague mmo's

[@javelinmaster2]

The issue with MMOs is just that the take A LOT of time to play and thus ppl can mostly only play one of them. That plus a monopoly makes it very hard to really hard to actually compete in the market.

[@jon9590]

Well, the younger generation has become entitled to have everything instatantly and not work for anything. Also, devs these days keep pumping out trash.

[@xbosnaboyx1]

People are not willing to try new mmos because they are stickig to the old fashion like ff14 and wow. In my opinion blade and soul was the mmo that could have the most potential but they destroyed it for money.

[@sergeoh735]

The fact is every new mmo is badly designed and thats why they are dead. Not because people dont have time to play multiple. We have millions of people standing by waiting for a good mmo to drop. When new world was hyped up 1 million concurrent players were online thinking this was it. There are some people who would stick to old mmos cause no time but i think most of us are just waiting. People spend thousands of hours on league, warzone, rust, etc.

[@Robert-cx3ns]

@@xbosnaboyx1true bro, its because some mmos are stuck with the WOW and FFXIV gameplay thats so outdated. Such gameplay would make people fall asleep.

[@milberg4338]

@@jon9590shut up boomer

[@Orkbearpig]

I thought I was the only one thinking like this honestly I havent even been on this page because of it and I completely understand it's not on you but keep up the good work you are still very informative and help with your content whenever it is posted

[@LyuSapphire]

I am glad I am not the only one feeling the same way. It is a sad state of affairs to see how little we've seen in terms of good MMO development, and I'm at that point also where I just am also tired of waiting for the next good one to come around. Hell, the boredom and lack of new things has settled in so strongly that I ended up going back to older games I didn't really enjoy that much, just for the sake of playing something different than usual, even if I still don't enjoy the games and wouldn't recommend them to anyone. It is just a fatigue of the genre that is setting in for both players and developers at this point. Once they fully stop making MMOs for a while, we'll see a drop in the amount of terrible ones that are lazily made as well, and eventually, people will come back to revisit the MMO genre with something fresh and unique, but I wouldn't hold my breath for this to be anytime within the next 5 years at LEAST.

[@zealgaming8161]

Gachas has been the new MMO's for many years now. What you can expect realistically is more gachas with more multiplayer functionalities. It's far easier to design a single player open world, and keep the multiplayer to lobby/instanced game play.

[@ryanisright3559]

What’s a good one?

[@AWanderingSwordsman]

@@ryanisright3559 Lol. Good and gacha game, pick one.

[@hesoyam881]

90% of all Gacha games are trash. People only play it for that rush of dopamine when you gamble and hit the jackpot, but any sense of achievement is just flushed down the drain on your first pull. The remaining 10% of Gacha games at least have the decency to add storyline/decent gameplay

[@SorenVoices]

This video was due a while ago and i wondered if you ever were seriously going to do. Thank you for voicing our concerns.

[@stefanpills4194]

Hang in there man I feel the same, wasting away with hope but seeing none and feeling empty without a good mmorpg

[@JoshuaVonNoctis]

I wonder if this is the great rock bottom moment of the MMO genre before a giant MMO just pops out of nowhere.

[@patgray5402]

I think VR will have to become mainstream to be able to do that.

[@Eisi0wns]

Nice copium man.

[@JoshuaVonNoctis]

@@patgray5402 It would probably be a slow roll then, but I'm willing to wait.

[@LegitGuy45]

@@patgray5402give it 20-30 years before full immersion VR is invented and we can all become our own Kirito in SAO

[@encouraginglyauthentic43]

That's what tends to happen with a lot of things. Things get stagnant, and someone comes to shake things up.

[@ryukirito2616]

You’re right! This is why I don’t play MMOs anymore

[@MMOByte]

What do you play?

[@ryukirito2616]

@@MMOByte Some Eldin Ring getting ready for the DLC. I also found a cool tactics game on switch that I played the demo on and will come out next week I think. I was going to buy hellblade 2, but apparently it’s trash. The crab game on Xbox game pass that’s a “souls like” game. It’s pretty good! I think you’d enjoy it. Asmond played it recently on stream, but I found it before he did.

[@SAM-wz3hb]

@@MMOByte gacha

[@yoshi3706]

It's too sad to hear it but anyways you will be always in our little hearts, even if it ends due to the lack of MMORPG :(

[@SuperAlvinator]

I've grown old and tired of mmos just not reaching the necessary expectations. Sure, some announced are anticipating, but until then it's gacha for me. Thanks for keeping me informed about mmos and gacha throughout these days Styx.

[@mrgmarshburn]

What is an gacha?

[@babycake2941]

me too my guy, me too. all this micro transaction, cheap game play, etc. i'm tired of trying every mmo that comes out and ended up being disappointed. :(

[@MMOByte]

Yup. It'll be a while before we get something good again..

[@darkness_120]

yhh like Asmon said, it's too expensive to make MMOs these days, and they all lack the vision that MMOs used to have back in the day in my opinion... So companies fill the game with all these microtransactions garbage that noone likes, because they need to make their investment back at any cost

[@sophiacristina]

I think gaming in general changed to something like that. But MMO have too many ways to implement the worse of the modern game problems...

[@seaofrains5790]

I agree. I've been mildly addicted to survival MMOs for a couple of years and two have gone belly-up in that time. And even though they weren't terribly inventive, they were fun! Now when I try a new (different) game, there's really nothing interesting about them. Not only that, there's no one else playing, or so it seems! 😢

[@MMOByte]

Yup. I had so much fun in Palworld I played nothing but that game for 100 hours until Mrs Stix and I finished it! haha

[@WolfNCyote]

speaking of future MMO's, does anyone know if Plan 8 is still going through or is it dead or non-mmo now?

[@ThaGodLegacyHD]

I completely agree. It's over for the MMO Genre.

[@AlucardXIX]

Thank you for calling the AI over use abominations of games. I hope studios catch on to the fact that people aren't as stupid as they think and won't stand for these soulless, money hungry efforts to pump out content for people.

[@Xialoh]

Trying to use primitive AI is a bad idea. Using AI in the near future? I'm kind of counting on it myself. I feel like the people against AI content are either content creators concerned about the loss of their jobs (fair), or not paying any attention to current progress in that area. Again, I assume that whatever was mentioned in this video is indeed shit though. I just disagree with the idea of dismissing AI content in general.

[@AlucardXIX]

@@Xialoh AI will never be able to create something wholly original and with any kind of actual human emotion, even if AGI becomes a thing. People gravitate to art for many reasons including the emotion. AI just cannot have emotion the way a human does, and that's something people really need to accept, but most won't because all they see is money signs.

[@Xialoh]

@@AlucardXIX Not even if AGI becomes a thing? And you base this claim on...what? That aside, AI doesn't need to be able to create anything wholly original. It can be entirely derivative and still come up with interesting ways to drive endless content in a manner far more entertaining than any side quest anyone's seen outside of a CDProjekt Red game. I've already heard AI sounding perfectly human with human emotion. Just the simple fact of being able to converse with NPCs convincingly playing a role will pretty much be revolutionary for anyone that enjoys RPGs. I see from your channel that you're a musician, so understandably you're going to be firmly against AI by default. Artists or people that "create" pretty much anything are trending towards despising AI. I get that, but I'm also not a creator, and so I'm mostly seeing potential. I also see the problems coming, but the fact that AI might not be "original" isn't something I find concerning. Worst case scenario, you still need a few humans to present a unique world and story to the AI, leaving it to expand on a premise. I'm not convinced that that will remain necessary with AGI (and especially not ASI), but if it does, that's fine. If all AI does is speed development exponentially, that's still huge for MMOs right along with everything else.

[@Seraphyx]

i don't envy the position you're in, i've felt like there hasn't been any significant, promising, big mmo news in maybe close to a decade. i couldn't imagine having a channel almost entirely dedicated towards covering mmos and trying to find things to talk about and show regularly. i feel like it always ends up being the same few mmos you always mention as far as recommendations. anyway, sometimes i wonder if maybe i've just played too many mmos myself and am jaded or burnt out on the genre or if they genuinely just suck. because even if i go back to try out the old ones, like ffxiv or eso or swtor they're cool but still dont keep me engaged. i went back to black desert recently and i had a lot of fun with it. but the lack of, and terrible, pve content currently present i think is the main reason i have no drive to continue playing it.

[@snuffaluffagus1000]

Im completely oblivious to the MMO scene but this sound something like what happened with the Fighting game scene prior to 2010, the genre wasn't seeing the surge and hype for a while until a while and now they are back. So i hope the same will happen with MMOs again one day.

[@Fegisen]

Feels like the developers are destroying the mmorpg genre themselves :P since they are intruding the games with pay 2 win mechanics and stuff.

[@blamcheese]

Gamers gulp it up and defend it thats why

[@ehyzen]

not rly devs but probably the big-ups. i guarantee you no dev wants to see their game fail

[@woozie_tv]

Over monetization of the gaming industry is what's coming back to bite these companies in the ass. I feel it's that simple. They no longer want to release quality projects that are consumer friendly. So most of us jump into the f2p portion get our rocks off and keep it moving. Gacha games will hit the same wall i think. But waifu lovers are also easily amused and distracted so I could be wrong there lol.

[@millenium1109]

I have a question: Does the First Descendant count as an MMORPG? It's a sci-fi shooter that takes place in an open world with many players loading up into the same area and mission. I'd love to see you make a video about just what makes an MMO an MMO, and what makes them great.

[@michaelblue4619]

isn't it obvious what an MMO is? It's in the name, a massively multiplayer game. Not just 30 players but hundreds to thousands of players being able to interact with each other. Walking past a town square and seeing a hundred people just chilling and hanging out. Just a generally very populated gaming environment.

[@DavidWoodMusic]

Styx looking well fed and pre-diabetic

[@Short_Motivation_GX]

This is true! I've been watching videos like yours every now and then for years to see if anything new has come out of games where you can just play something new because you just need a break from playing the same old games again and again... but no, nothing good things are coming out... I've tested Tower of Fantasy and PSO a little, but they don't last me long at all... It's just sad that there are no more good games coming out and I always end up playing old games like WOW or SWTOR or Guild Wars 2 have to go back in order to be able to play anything worth it. Its just sad as an gamer who love to explore new worlds and so on...i hope it will change even if the chancec are not that high😅

[@Natzawa]

I think devs need to step back, play older games, and then make an MMO because the games they make now suck. Maybe they’d get some new ideas or build off some of them.

[@S4NlTYS]

when ever i think about mmos nowadays i always think back to my favourite and get even sadder, Wildstar and how great it could be this far along

[@TheOneTrueOfficialLordGod]

It sounds like you hit the same realization I did back when Peria Chronicles was canceled. Back then, I said Blue Protocol was gonna be my final destination for MMOs and I'm sticking to that gun. I still love the genre. There's just something magical of being able to explore a world with your own character and see other players doing the exact same thing in an adventure that never ends. But the ones we have now, are pretty much all we're ever going to have and any one of them could shut down at any moment if they have a dry spell of profits. Maybe one day we'll have a new mainstay in the genre but I don't see it happening soon. Obviously, that means I have to do it myself. I, God, will save us!

[@mazzyycat]

I think the genre is just dead at this point and I don't think it's because companies think its too difficult to make them or whatever, but they've realized today's gamers aren't really into that MMO mindset of grinding PVE content for hours every day. That's why they're rebranding all these games you mentioned. "MMOs" going forward are going to GTA Online or Elden Ring or Monster Hunter or Animal Crossing, like standard games first and then a multiplayer mode on top of that. This 200 hours to the good stuff thing a lot of MMOs got going for them just isn't flying anymore. There's just way too much competition elsewhere on the internet these days. Social Media, Twitch, Tik Tok, KZbin, mobile games, F2P games etc. You cannot compete with that shit as a slow burning MMO anymore

[@mazzyycat]

Yeah, its insane dude. The fact that I'm still playing WoW after all these years is insane. The fact that companies can't even get out a simple WoW or trinity style dungeon-game that isn't P2W or broken is insane. The fact that everything in development minus maybe that Riot-game is just gonna be P2W garbo is insane. The fact that someone haven't at least attempted like a WoW clone with a sub fee ala FFXIV in the last 12 years is insane. It's just exhausting and heart breaking to follow this genre at this point. This should be the genre everyone's talking about considering how online centric everything is these days, yet it's now some old niche that only people who grew up with them cares about apparently. It's effin bizarre and sad

[@pedzod1761]

The problem is too much MMO games these day that player base are not enough to be MMO anymore.

[@FlamespeedyAMV]

yep too many, most that aren't very good and the population has been split and now no game is an MMO

[@ficshl6036]

The very first MMO I played was AQW 13 years ago (Adventure Quest Worlds) and enjoyed it so much. Nowadays I don't get that feeling anymore from these "MMO" games.

[@shadowhellzx]

Sounds like making crossplay mmos with mobile is bad

[@MMOByte]

Not always. It CAN be done. People just refuse to do it the right way.

[@ShortLifeHax]

*I tried Throne and liberty I stopped after 30 minutes. I'm glad I realized it's time to retire from MMOs, I got better things to do than commit to another korean floptastic game, gachas and mobas are more fulfilling now, mobas are quick the grind is quick and the endgame is quick. Good for the attention span these days*

[@BASTYK14710]

The moment someone makes one super successful MMORPG, everyone else will start doing the same. This happened with every other genre like MOBA, Battle Royale, Gacha, etc. But those companies are extremely afraid to try it because they think they'd fail and lose money🤔🤔

[@romulocarneiro3310]

Blue Protocol was the end for me, i was very hyped about the game, but it got infinity delayed, launched only in japan, banned everyone who tried to enter from outside and never got out. Then, i finally realized, it felt like i was hit with a rock, that the era of anime mmorpgs truly died, 10 years later it was, incredible, however, time changes, letting everything on the past, a time, that we can only remember as flowers of a beatiful past. And here i'm, lost, whitout any kind of passion, for life, for gaming, living empty waiting for something to bring life and color back to my grey vision. Even myself, if there was any, i can't find anymore.

[@Dexiray]

lets just wait for the day technology can make SOA-like experience 💀

[@patrickpol6156]

yeah people are crapping on AI generated games now but give it another 10 or so years and AI will be able to make better games than most game devs today because the focus will be back where its suppost to be, giving gamers what they want. we just need to get the big corpo's/producers out of our hobby spaces, monetairy greed is murder on everything in the end.

[@tenkuken7168]

​@@patrickpol6156I want the ai game where you can talk to the npc but main story has to be human made

[@patrickpol6156]

@@tenkuken7168 yeah the devs just need to learn to use the ai since its just a tool for writing/graphics design, the ai can take alot of work out of people's hands wich means games can finish much faster and be produced alot cheaper because they dont have to pay so much people anymore so they can cut the bloat off of the company/devs teams after wich they can no longer use the game development is expensive excuse and we might acctually get some affordable and good games, now they just need to reign in the monitization that the producers always put in, maybe cut the bloat around the producers aswell.

[@Nighscreach]

People play mmos only with guides, or guides play mmos for you.

[@cfireTv1112]

Yeah Ive noticed mmo news channels have been changing due to the lack of MMOs, I got my PC too late 😭

[@thedevanthar1132]

Even Wayfinder, a game with one of the bigger f2p mmo publisher on the market, Warframes Digital Extremes, lost said publisher and went back to the drawing board and changes in a co-op style game instead of the 'promised' mmo. So sad for the people that bought the founders packs.

[@MMOByte]

Yup. Depressing to read that a few days ago.

[@traviscue2099]

We had this exact same thin with the horror genre.. Then indie devs took up the mantle! Indie devs will do the same with mmos.. You're going to see in the next few year 2d, or low budget mmos.. The genre will come back its a question of when

[@Ted_Kenzoku]

except mmos need massive funds to exist, from the always online big servers to the frequent updates. it's s not feasable on low budget unlike horror games that's offline and just a few hundred megabytes

[@traviscue2099]

@@Ted_Kenzoku the private server scene is definitely a good example of small indie teams. Sure most are working with products that started with 50 people teams.. but that scene is alive and well.

[@Josh-99]

This is what happens when you lead into a game development project with monetization as the primary consideration. Old MMOs were works of art and labors of love. Gameplay came first, and the assumption was that if you made a good game it would sell copies and subs and would just live forever. And they have -- all those old MMOs you mentioned are still around and still have thriving communities. They don't all have millions of players, but they are doing well enough to make a profit and support ongoing development. But now the wagon is leading the horse. It used to be that the designers and developers drove the game projects, but now it's the bean counters and the executive boards -- people who aren't experts in game development but instead are focused on profit and nothing else. Look at all the games that are consuming news cycles these days: Elden Ring, Baldur's Gate 3, Helldivers, etc.: they are all works of art that clearly put the experience of the game before monetization. Hell, you CAN'T even spend more money on Baldur's Gate 3 beyond a "collector's edition" that has a very modest markup and it not only consumed the gaming news cycle for an entire YEAR but also made a boatload of money. You cannot make good money with a terrible game, but the bean counters and the executive boards do not understand that -- and they never will.

[@clayjar7636]

Never has a KZbin title so accurately encompassed my feelings

[@WafflesssFalling]

there was an MMO ad before this video played 😅

[@LuvLexyU]

1. Nobody wants to socialize online anymore. We've come full circle to the point where most people would rather put music on, afk grind, then get off the game. Guilds are just dead space for people to have free buffs, nobody WANTS to queue up and party up with 'randoms' everyone wants entire strangers. MMo's thrived, because of the multiplayer aspect. Nobody wants to play with strangers anymore. 2. The COST to keep MMO's running is insane, their just not lucrative unless you have a prescription model that's ALONGSIDE expansions. OR you produce enough content that people will spend money on in a F2P manner, but then if you do the former people complain, and if you do the latter people complain. 3. MMO's were designed to have people stay with it. Too many people rush through MMO content, drain it, then toss it aside. That's a HUGE part of the issue. :/ Their games made for you to log on for a few hours every day, not to be binged all at once like a single player game.

[@trymv1578]

Its not quite nobody wants to socialize, but its also tied to that. Issue is more all the big games are 10-30m in, out, done. No round is ever the same. MMOs cant realistically do that without the community; Mythic+ random bullshit weekly in WoW is about as close as you get.

[@sham4124]

Have you ever played Guild Wars 2 my guy?

[@LuvLexyU]

@@sham4124 played and quit into the first expansion - all the mobs felt so spongey that I was hitting them for a while without really anything to go. Game also had a lot of confusing systems and convoluted shit to learn to progress and get 'truly' stronger that I felt like I was needing to take an exam just to get strong.

[@trawll8659]

MMO's don't offer more than a chatroom with a game attached, back in the day that was new, these days every game can implement a chatroom with the right setup. The next MMO boom will likely come about when VR makes a breakthrough with locomotion, most notably with an affordable walking/movement platform like a 'VR treadmill'.

[@Thakkii]

i feel like this is what will happen too , the next big thing will be a legit VR MMO , but VR is still in that niche period i feel like it.

[@Arrow333]

In addition to that, we have apps like discord so we don't need to log in to any game in order to have a chatroom - or voice - with like minded players. That novelty this genre once had is gone, and with this stripped away the actual gameplay isn't always that convincing anymore. I still enjoy how GW2 manages to make random groups of players work together in dynamic events (which is something games like helldivers 2 also provide in a different way) or roleplaying in ESO with a group of friends (which is more an accomplishment of this group of friends than the game; and something that is moving towards VTTRPGs for me). MMORPGs coming back will indeed most likely require a new novelty added to the game - I am not even convinced VR is enough, since that is something other genres would benefit from as well. Maybe combined with AI generated content in a high quality, truly dynamically reacting to player actions allowing us to shape the virtual world.... Without ending up being pretty dull and directionless. Sounds like a contradiction already, and that's why all games that promised something along the lines failed at delivirering that experience.

[@Bael536]

probably not even that because I can barely use VR headset longer than 2 hours and I will get headache from motion sick. mmo take a lot of time so a VR mmo will make player feel like they are exercise in an extreme way but give them motion sick instead. it is dead

[@trawll8659]

@@Bael536 motion sickness in VR has come a long way, the amount of people that spend hours in VRChat alone tells me it is less of a problem than you think it is. I haven't gotten any motion sickness from VR myself and my only issue is battery life on my Quest and standing in spot for a long time makes my knees sore so a walking platform/treadmill with a charge cable would sort that out for me.

[@zealgaming8161]

@@trawll8659 I just keep my quest plugged into the socket at all times. Only use it while lying in bed to play pancake games with PCVR.

[@someguy1315]

Hmm.... Pretty much reason why I stop play MMO was that it always trying to get you to make stay online longer and usually it eat up most of my days for doing daily quest/boss/looting stuff and weekly quest/boss/looting stuff. That feel like it eat up 10 to 12 hours a days depending on the thing I choose to do.

[@MrArthys]

I feel you, from someone that is tired of the big 3, it is just sad.

[@mohamedti1]

Could you do an interview with one of these key devs that have moved genres? I think the MMO story has some interesting journalistic content opportunities. Also, I want to make a game. What is the key thing that makes MMOs not work anymore? Is it a culture shift?

[@MMOByte]

Sure, I have plenty of contacts. What game(s) were you thinking?

[@mohamedti1]

@@MMOByte I want to focus on the most satisfying movement, do you have a favorite game in that aspect?

[@Talinthis]

I think Final Fantasy XIV is the best MMO. It is one of the few that doesn't send content to the graveyard for eternity for the most part every time a new expansion comes out. It feels good playing old content for new rewards years later.

[@GreatestRedPanda]

Problem with Final Fantasy XIV is that it has been stretching itself for ages now with no sign of the creators investing in anything new. We have a new expac coming, yet the game hasn't been able to do anything legitimately fresh due to the limitations of its own bad and messy code in a long time, and it has fundamental issues with existing features they can't fix for the same reason. With nothing new to offer after half a decade, FF is running on fumes, just trying to keep the money coming in. Sure it's a good game, but with nowhere to go it will just become more and more stagnant, and there isn't really anything to look forward to.

[@NeocrimsonX]

The only mmo I play now

[@Fade2BlackSS]

​@@GreatestRedPandaAs someone that's been playing for almost 9 years now, I completely agree with everything you've said here.

[@DeusGamez]

@@GreatestRedPanda careful you'll upset the cult members who live off of the strongest copium for their mid tier game lol its become the insane asylum these days good ol ffxiv almost no one has the guts anymore to ask for more they are content to be spoon fed the same crap every single day really makes you wonder if they are even alive or a person living inside their skulls they act like zombies or machines running on autopilot its quite pathetic and sad. ffxiv could be alot more than it is and could evolve even further but the playerbase lost its spine long ago the white knights,simps won the war an those that would have pushed the message loud and clear folded to pressure like the cowards that they are.

[@lodunost]

I think it's time for a new Final Fantasy MMO. I love XIV but I feel it's time for a new engine and a new approach. With more available housing of course as well. But I bet they won't do any of that anytime soon sadly.

[@rezenkron]

Nobody wants to compete with old mmos that have huge amount of content accumulated over decades because its too expensive now, sadly but true

[@rezenkron]

I play overwatch now btw bc it has funny interactions and nice gameplay which were my main reasons to play mmos

[@Hello-id8mf]

I see soo much potential in mmo. Like this genre can touch top notch anime level design. Hope someone pushes the boundaries

[@Heybhai2024]

What you think about once human

[@MrzStix]

I love it, my goal is to have him play it on release

[@isidornimages]

Sad indeed. It's kinda depressing.

[@MMOByte]

Yup. Which is why I've been playing Gacha games. At least new ones come out each month.

[@crumblingsanity6455]

I think the biggest problem with MMO's now is the fact that it's lost that feeling of being a "second home" for players now. For people who didn't have the best social lives that would often come home from a terrible school/work week, you could come home, load up your favorite MMO and you would essentially be living a whole other life aside from your current one, you made good friends, went on adventures together just spending hours conversating, questing, communities were a lot more helpful and would sometimes start their own sorts of events to have everyone familiarize themselves with each other and GM's etc. those were good times, but now? MMO's are just dead projects that nobody cares about, especially the newer generation, with better games out these days (and I say that very loosely) and the attention spans just not being there, there isn't much reason for anyone to stick around a game where you just sit and do the same repetitive task of just sitting there doing pointless fetch quest, having to farm for hours on end just to probably get one item and the very slow nature of these games just isn't sitting well with anyone, add on to the fact that now you have the additional barrier of pay-to-win with the microtransactions having to keep up with the meta and having the best gear to even make some progress is just disgusting, and I can see why just nobody cares anymore, cause the companies surely don't. It does hurt to see MMO's go down the drain like this, but as they as, things change and sometimes not for the better.

[@TH3xG4M3R]

I appreciate this video. Just being real and honest about how we all feel. 😢

[@MMOByte]

Yup, sadly. Thanks for commenting! Glad to know I'm not alone!

[@shaikhfaizan4576]

@@MMOByte whats the name of that game you are playing in video

[@Exotac]

The only MMOs I've felt worth playing in years were WoW and XIV. Recently I had a bit of a wake-up call. XIV is fantastic and I'll always love it. It literally changed my life, and caused my best friend to find his now-fiancé. It has a special place in my heart, and it always will. But, post-Endwalker, as good as it was? I've not even resubbed to do any of the post-MSQ content, and the new expansion is less than a month away, and I have ZERO desire to actually go back to it atm due to the fact that Elden Ring's DLC is sharing launch space with it. I'm sure I will, at some point, but this is going to be the first time I pass up the chance to be at an expansion launch for XIV... ever. A concept that was unfathomable until now. I would literally take an entire week off and disappear from all social circles every time XIV dropped a new xpac just to experience it all uninterrupted. Now, even XIV is taking a back seat to far more interesting single player and coop experiences. I've been an MMO gamer almost all my life. I think I was 15 when I first got into WoW, and before that, as far back as when I was 13 I was playing on private servers for Ragnarok Online. It sucks, but I 100% get where you're coming from. I wouldn't call the genre dead, as long as the titans remain active, the genre is still alive. But, it doesn't seem like there's going to be anything new to look forward to in it for at least 6+ years at this point. I will say though you ARE overlooking one game, which is Lost Ark. Yeah, its also technically a decade old Korea-wise, but its only a few years old over here and still retains a huge playerbase. One game does not a healthy genre make, but credit where credit is due.

[@MMOByte]

Unfortunately Lost Ark also has a very large bot issue, so player numbers are severely artificially inflated. As for FFXIV, I love it to death but I couldn't even complete the .2/.2/.4 patches after Endwalker because it just lost some of the spark Shadowbringers had. Shadowbringers was an expansion masterpiece.

[@Eisi0wns]

Sorry but Lost Ark is nothing different than something like Archeage, Blade & Soul or recently TL.... it's entire existence is making you throw away your life doing daily/weekly homework content until you grow tired of it and open your wallet because you're too far into it. Aka.... pay to win garbage with RNG systems packed into beautiful combat and boobs.... in short: KOREAN GAME.

[@gerardo_t2]

Great, can we now finally all agree the final nail has been put into this genre's coffin and move on plz, we've been waiting too long for the next great mmo, it's not happening guys...

[@Minohorse]

Yep. Don't know how long I have been subscribed for, but it's been a few years now, I did so in hopes of fiding another MMO that could replace Ragnarok in my heart after I stopped playing it. It's almost 10 years since I last played Ragnarok, but I have yet to touch another MMO.

[@tienee4927]

Pax dei and eternal tombs are ones im looking forward to and you didnt mention either at all i know they maybe a way off or niche but with what your saying mmo's are becoming niche arent they ?

[@dimas0302]

I stop playing MMO after I play Starwars The Old Republic. Is like, there's nothing more MMO can give for me. Plus, there's no time to play MMO again. Mobile Game is now the place for me to play the game, as I like to walk around.

[@MMOByte]

That's a shame but I totally understand.

[@turquoisesquirrel]

:(

[@MMOByte]

[@turquoisesquirrel]

​@@MMOByte❤😢

[@blazeburner4039]

I'm just playing FF14 from time to time, I think the content you decided to do and how you play is completely up to you for MMOs. And mostly interaction between players is what brought me back to MMO, just like how you would go to cafe/outside with your friends. MMOs were not meant to be played alone. For me at least.

[@MMOByte]

How do you feel about newer MMOs?

[@meatybtz]

@@MMOByte All are terrible. I think the reason really is based on, no desire to make competent works (writing, story, gameplay loops) and exploitive motivations as well as the exploitive motivations on up to the C level in the companies means that they have little desire to actually maintain an MMO. An MMO being a live service game requires CONSTANT development investment. What most want is "easy money", like Gatcha Games. They want to milk WHALES (normal players just don't matter). So the games are exploitive, designed to go Whaling, and have no effort put into core elements. The result is constant garbage. The fundamental motivation behind the modern MMOs is unhealthy so the MMOs being made are unhealthy. Mobile gaming has also made things even worse as nothing is as exploitative as mobile gaming. Mobile gaming huts white whales and serves as a means to harvest "big data" to sell. Again, in this case the games are designed to exploit the player.. the player is the product being sold, and the whales are for even more money making. No one wants to make a GOOD game. They just don't care. Developers have little leeway to change this as they are the most chronically abused worker class in the white collar markets. Trash turning out trash and ending up in the dumpster is not a surprising thing. Indi game companies just don't have the money to host, maintain, rent, the servers, let alone maintain a heavily updated live service game. So they make quality experiences and focus on group play for their networking model vs having to pay for hosting. Even old school MMOs are plagued by extremely bad choices and design problems with heavy intensity on the "cash shop". MOP Remix is like a shining beacon of piss poor design choices. The people who exploited early and often are the only ones experiencing the "advertised game play experience". Everyone else is being railroaded into an unfun grind w/o the advertised "experience of power tripping". It is a laundry list of bad choices, bad dev reactions, and not delivering on expectations. This despite being told during testing exactly what needed to change. Nope. Instead they made a no-life grind fest and literally nerfed anything that allowed you to actually "experience" the advertised gameplay intent.. as advertised. If you were not a frogger, you won't get to experience the "overpowered" gameplay which excited people. Instead you will grind till your eyes bleed. Face awful scaling balance resulting in one shot deaths. While the Froggers can literally solo anything and are enjoying themselves. It's yet another example of failing to deliver and doubling down on literally sucking the fun right out of the game to be replaced with a meaningless grind with gameplay imbalances that make it very NOT fun. Then they continue to go about removing any 'alternate' options people find to try and reach the "fun" gameplay. This is literally the MMO dev in any modern game, it's why they all die so fast. Stop catering towards sweaty no-lifers. Sometimes you can make more money for longer if you allow the casual to keep pace and to allow them moments that make them feel OP. Sometimes you want to just log in and do something that is ridiculous, fun, and makes you giggle. MMOdevs have forgotten that. They've taken the fun out of the game so people stop playing. Well, who would have thought that.

[@xerxesmo]

You got my support man, mmos are a total led down. Thank you for covering them for so long and doing such a great job at it anyway Imma go to Wawa it’s releasing in 2 minutes

[@Sunartica33]

I will keep what I know to myself but let me tell you something I can say: When you see the QA teams behind certain MMO-type games.... you understand why it is doing poorly. the passion is not there.

[@gamechanger6436]

I've been jumping between FFXIV and WoW for years. Once a year I level up a seasonal character in BDO and that's it. Every now and then i try to jump into a new mmo and get disappointed really fast. Oh boy i love mmorpgs, but there are just no good alternatives.

[@christunstel6954]

Guild Wars 2 shits on those games

[@Mistersirnation]

Guild Wars 2 is boring imo, at least more than BDO

[@christunstel6954]

@@Mistersirnation L take

[@VioletSilhouette]

Yeah, it's very sad. I've been having this discussion with one of my best friends for years now. We've been looking for an MMO to play together, literally, for years, but everything we try just sucks. Nothing ever sticks. If we do find one we just play it for a day and never again. We always just end up falling back on Minecraft when we wanna play a game together. We've even discussed how Baldur's Gate 3, which isn't an MMO, is the best closest thing to an MMO nowadays. RIP to the MMO genre. I'll keep a single strand of faith alive that something good will eventually be created, but won't keep my hopes up.

[@in2it85]

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[@TigerTT]

I miss the Scarlet Blade days back in 2013. I met such cool people in that game despite its reputation at the time. It was hilarious seeing people camping all day in that one place called Caergate just for PVP. People took their factions so seriously on each side. It was so insane being able to instantly transform into a giant mecha robot at will and no game has really filled that void yet.

[@gamingsenpai805]

maybe they should make manga related games like solo leveling arise

[@MMOByte]

That's a good start!

[@aegishdaego]

But how would it solves the issue ? Just being an manga related game doesn't fix anything at all, the problem is that the game aren't designed to be fun but only to get money. Being a manga related game would in fact, help the game dev to milk a playerbase that would spend mindlessly in a cash-grabber to get their manga related things. Just look at PSO2 NGS, being a manga related game doesn't change anything in this situation :I

[@nokomoko8832]

ewww korean mmo slop based off of korean manhwa slop? no thanks

[@Ashcroft1313]

🎉😂

[@MMOByte]

:D

[@Ashcroft1313]

8:40 ​@@MMOByte😂

[@alsenar2]

I miss the social elements of MMO's nowadays. It's just not fun anymore to just roam around the world and talk to random people because everybody is either busy with grinding or listening to music or podcasts while gaming.

[@khyzellyukarideguzman4133]

Did you try moonlight blade mobile bro?

[@jackjohnson8305]

Time to rebrand to GachaBytes bro.

[@MMOByte]

I have a Gacha channel! kzbin.info

[@D14V0R05]

The thing is that during the big mmorpg boom from 2012 to 2017 there was a ridiculous amount of titles in the genre with most of them going eos within 1 to 2 years, so there was a lot of resources wasted by game studios that they could not recover and this combination of saturation and failure made developers wary of dipping their toes in that market. I think that mmorpgs won't make a return to shape until vr becomes mainstream and affordable.

[@eugeneomalley6303]

Time for you to make the ultimate indie mmo

[@LuvallHumanity]

Seeing 2 Stix is better than 1, you know how to make us happy, thank you Stix ❤

[@icebreaker1963]

Just when i wanted to comment this last video, "THE MMOS ARE DEAD"

[@FireBlueZ]

4:56 You just helped me on doing the WuWa puzzle

[@rottingpumpkiin7151]

Ive genuinely always wanted to make a mmo specifically something with vampires/werewolves/mythical creatures because usual mmos are always like the same kinda formula w a twist and idk.. it bums me out, esp since idk how to even make one and would cost loads its more just a concept in my mind... i was so excited for Blue Protocol back in what? 2021? or whenever it was first announced,.. I was in like junior year of high school and now its been a year since I graduated..

[@Icu282]

Yeah... it's sad that mmorpgs haven't like come out over these past 2 years. I want to see someone do something really new with mmorpgs, but people keep just trying the same things or focusing more on monetization than anything else, so games keep being delayed, and not released because they fail to meet people's expectations before they even launch. I really want to see someone really try to do an mmorpg that feels like you're discovering the world and abilities and like every part of the world is alive even when you're not doing anything. People have done a lot of cool things in Fantasy and Isekai animes but no games really try to capture the same worldbuilding those do. Making a game about an Isekai anime (like the SAO games are about the anime, not about immersing you in the world, it's about a plot that already happened) isn't the same thing as trying to make you experience what it would be to live in one of those worlds, and discover how everything works, just like the protagonists in those animes do. There's so many good ideas that just aren't actually used and put together to actually make an experience that feels like you yourself are progressing through the world, not just like a number is going up for no reason, and using the same character class tropes (like for example Mages always tend to have a fireball spell that explodes) every time. Do something that no one else has done with the classes instead of doing the same things everyone else does with them.

[@Icu282]

Devs keep making the same games that's why they have no success in mmorpgs anymore. They forget that mmorpgs need a lot of ambition to be successful, you can't just copypaste the same exact kind of gameplay.

[@_Maritime_]

Damn its kind of depressing to not hear your usual outro but I get it. MMOs just aren't worth it anymore :(

[@michaelcamacho437]

The First Descendant is coming this summer release

[@gusty7153]

to me, a good sandbox game is pretty much all the best parts of mmos without any of the drawbacks of mmos and therefore fills the niche of mmos without actually being an mmo.

[@komplexthesupport5727]

And here i am, still playing TERA and still loving it (even if there is not that many content in it). I can't part ways from the MMO genre but unfortunately we all have to come to terms with the fact that it's kind of dead or dying. Or, if i want to be optimistic, just hibernating until a new wave of players discover the genre and revive it.

[@razuken28]

which TERA ? i thought all of it's server were shut down

[@MusicByFloe]

I completely agree with you. I just recently bought a new PC for multiple reasons, but MMOs were included in those reasons. But since I bought it, I’ve done everything EXCEPT play a MMO because everything is either old or just plain sucks. Now my only hope is Ashes of Creation and let’s just pray that it actually releases AND be what the fans needed this past decade…..if not…..I give up