Moana on the Treaty Principles Bill

[@darcynicholas234]

The treaty is an important part of our history for both maori and all New Zealanders. We stood together in two world wars and several other international conflicts. Maori and New Zealand cultures are an important part of our uniqueness in the world and we need to accept that and stand together for the future of our children and generations to follow.

[@drednorzt]

Ka pai. Its a beautiful thing. It would be shameful to have such a unique & important constitutional document neutered. Its seen as a shining example that brings hope to colonized people all around the world. Theres only ONE Maori people, and as a Pakeha it makes me mighty proud to live among them. Kia Kaha!

[@steve-xn8ot]

thank you Darcy... I'm a 72 year old retired bricklayer...Your words echo exactly how i see us all, as NZers,, kiwis...However,,, I see deliberately engineered divisions being cultered,, at the detriment to us all...Again, thank you for your intelligent comments.

[@user-FUCKYOU18]

Boer wars as well

[@georgeorwell6869]

The bill is in regards to the Treaty Principles of 1975...nothing to do or about changing the Treaty.

[@TonyBro-t7q]

Spoken like a true activist..... One rule for all how is that not fair in this day in age

[@eastsider7301]

Spoken like a true colonial settlers on stolen land and cry foul when it's brought up

[@Yayme1613]

​@eastsider7301 your no doubt related to those colonizers

[@FrankAhKuoi]

Most of the Lands been sold 😂

[@Kiwi-LSA]

​@@FrankAhKuoibeen sold over and over a few times over the last few hundred years 😂

[@ashdoginc]

But yet, how many people have read ACT's bill? It's easy to quickly slam it. And what seems to get forgotten is that It's not just Maori vs. the crown; any system of governance is a representation of the views of the majority of the people that reside within it.

[@ailsaeccles111]

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[@rickymarino1208]

Maori are suppose to be in those government structures too but we are not ,but te tiriti is maori and crown only ,and again listen to this korero Moana is saying becoz there's no nzers involved.. nzers us Chinese ,Russian,etc

[@georgeorwell6869]

​@@rickymarino1208you're incorrect and obviously unfamiliar with the Treaty as well

[@jeffpascoe225]

I was un the understanding that the The Waitangi Tribunal was set up to settle past grievances, am I wrong.

[@drednorzt]

You sir, are correct, as well as being a watchdog on proposed legislation www.waitangitribunal.govt.nz/en/about/about-the-waitangi-tribunal/about-the-waitangi-tribunal

[@Bitofa_nerd]

I haven't read the bill so I can't comment on that directly. NZ needs unity, we must live together in peace. We can't have purely race based policies it's never worked anywhere in the world before. Though we have to be careful that Pakeha (I'm Pakeha) don't use legislation as a smokescreen for racist policies. We don't want to loose the rich tapestry of Maori language, art, culture and history and it's people.

[@ailsaeccles111]

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[@logicalanswer3529]

If you read the bill, you will see how those against it are racists who are trying to divide New Zealanders who are joining force under Act and N.Z First.

[@fatbastard70]

It will take 5 minutes to find and read the Treaty Principles Bill. So many people commenting about haven't even bothered to read it. It is written in plain simple English. For example, its last clause says the Treaty shall not be rewritten. All of the marchers and haka performers, they don't seem to have even botheted reading it.

[@sarahrose4126]

You should go read the Bill and it's intent. You can Google " The Treaty Principle s Bill " and the organization that is pushing this bill has an entire website devoted to explaining this bill . It seems to me that the real intent of this bill is to take all power away from Maori organizations to ever make decisions for their nation , and place all Maori under the New Zealand governments complete control. This goes against the original Treatys intent which was to treat the Maori as equals in decision making , not as subservient servants to the Crowns decisions. Seymour is using pretty fancy words like , " democracy " and " equality " when talking about this bill, when in fact the intent of this bill is to strip the Maori of those very rights.

[@michaelnewzealand1888]

One thing that would be useful is to explain how the bill in any way at all would take away maori culture the language art history or any of those things that you mentioned. The proponents of the bill say that it won't and those who oppose the bills say that it will but I haven't heard any goid argument for why it will. For example why would it affect anyone speaking Te reo? You don't even need to agree with the treaty of waitangi for that to be the case. There are many foreign languages I heard a group of staff at the BP service station today speaking Chinese and we don't have a treaty upholding Mandarin speaking.

[@standstill0641]

This woman promotes discord and disruption. She is not for unity.

[@JamesClark-cg1qk]

The fact is Act are not trying to change the wording of the ToW, or the settlements that have been agreed to since. What they are saying is that we need a national debate about the "principles" of the ToW that we hear so much about, but that are not clearly defined. So lets discuss and define them. TPM and others have no rational argument against this process, hence the name calling and bad behaviour.

[@kylebeckett825]

@@JamesClark-cg1qk try your hardest to watch and listen to Moana again champ. I'm sure a bright boy like you will answer your own question in time.

[@JamesClark-cg1qk]

@@kylebeckett825 you have no counter argument

[@kylebeckett825]

@@JamesClark-cg1qk your correct, I don't argue with idiots.

[@JamesClark-cg1qk]

@@kylebeckett825 it's "you're"...who's the idiot?

[@JamesClark-cg1qk]

@@kylebeckett825 you don't have an argument

[@PeterTrot]

It's become obvious now that looking into the Treaty Principles is not a solution to the problem at the moment. We must look at the Treaty Tribunal members themselves and what is coming out of there. This has caused all the division, unbalance and trouble throughout the country. Problem 1, Why are 20 tribunal members allowed to interpret the Treaty the way they want to? Problem 2, about 14 are Maori and are strongly bias towards their own people, this is clearly an injustice for NZ. Problem 3, after solving 1 and 2 then we look into the Principals confusion, foreshore and seabed misinterpretation, the different versions of the document, and all the different interpretation by many people through the years, also all progress and development for eg when the Tribunal was set up about 1975 and the way they interpret it now, it is has clear as MUD, also outdated and not a legal document. The mistake Seymour made is that politicians must never go near it this document is not a political football that you kick around.

[@CZW87]

The Waitangi Tribunals role is already redundant and clutching on to stay relevant

[@kylebeckett825]

Could you explain your statement please.

[@drednorzt]

I'm with Kyle. There's a lot of comments stating stuff like this and backing it up with nothing at all. Give facts, not opinions.

[@fatbastard70]

The Tribunal is redundant but all those associated with it are raking in megabucks so they don't want to see the end of their gravy train. NZ taxes are mega high and the gravy train is why. And it's also why we can't have a new hospital in Dunedin, a better education system with well-paid and professional teachers, and better infrastructure - all because the Maori elites are stealing taxpayers' efforts. Thanks a lot you thieving corrupt bastards.

[@todretex]

Balancing historical justice with contemporary equity remains a central challenge to modern Aotearoa/New Zealanders. That is factual.

[@SnoweyViking]

Its sad to see that racism is alive and well in the comments, shame.

[@stevehughes1510]

The whole shiteshow is racist, Moana, TPM etc, they're way off beam, subversives and on the gravy train, really sad for our nation.

[@KINGSFORDLIFE]

Māori need a treaty amongst themselves, Alot of Māori out here abusing other Māori calling them the N word or Kūpapa's if they have different opinions and views. It's clear from Te Pāti Māori election votes that alot of our people are divided and don't move collectively as one anymore.

[@honahwikeepa2115]

They need to stop aborting their tamariki at biblical proportions.

[@KINGSFORDLIFE]

@taumatarolleston8149 you don't get to dictate who can comment and what they can say 👋🙂

[@taumatarolleston8149]

@KINGSFORDLIFE yes, you are right

[@brucecorban]

​@@taumatarolleston8149no one's talking about changing the treaty

[@Memyself-g5m]

Your prophet is the problem! Whilst I was watching people react to his or your hikoi, your right, there was no need to display disrespectful comments to ANYONE!! But your wise one ALSO needs to learn some humility and respect towards peoples beliefs!

[@antthekiwi]

“A minor political party distorts the text” bit like the Māori party aye

[@georgeriley9610]

Different streets pal, as only Act is looking to change the principles.

[@drednorzt]

Do you have any examples of what Te Pati Maori are trying to distort?

[@antthekiwi]

@@drednorzt yes, there are plenty. When for example police are arresting gang members at home and some kids are being left on their own for a short period. Māori party are calling this racist. Going straight to the racist card. Here’s the issue, the gangs, not the government or it’s policies. Don’t break the law and ya kids won’t be put in these situations

[@drednorzt]

@@antthekiwi Did you learn about anything from the abuse in state care report that came out recently? 90% of all gang members in NZ where put through state care, and suffered physical and sexual abuse under the hands of the people who supposed to be caring for them. The gangs are a symptom of a racist system. Obviously I agree that the violence and shit from gang life is terrible, but you can't just look at one part of the equation and ignore everything that comes before.

[@Hup-cx5hp]

True that 😂 but they represent Maori and reminding this coalition to Toitu Te Tiriti ❤

[@Froggability]

Maori elites today: "We love the treaty, don't touch it, it works beautifully..! Feb 6: "The treaty is terrible, it's unfair, it's not working! Bless their souls 🙏🤠

[@harrycurrie9664]

She's full of ..it!

[@Hup-cx5hp]

Ae and truth hurts real bad 😮

[@michaelnewzealand1888]

I wonder if we just followed the principle of Love Thy Neighbour that Christ promoted then things would be a lot better with or without the treaty with or without the treaty principles bill with or without the maori party.

[@logicalanswer3529]

The Waitangi tribunal are racist grifters so if they are against it, I am for it.

[@raywheeler3135]

Illogical answers is a racist grifter

[@georgeriley9610]

Tena koe Moana. Ka tika. The starting point of the National Conversation as proposed by Seymour on behalf of his Actolytes and funders is also their preferred ending point. They do not want a discussion only a straight path to limitation of Maori. Kia kaha

[@logicalanswer3529]

False. None of what you typed is true and is racist towards non-Māori - you must be a t.p.m supporter with those views.

[@brucecorban]

sadly incorrect

[@hdfan5742]

Awwwe moana, you used to be so awesome, ...

[@Memyself-g5m]

Why isn’t she? Because she goes against what you believe? Ehh she’s human!!

[@Rod-qp1qv]

Shes always been openly racist different rules for them

[@Memyself-g5m]

Your welcome to leave😉

[@Rod-qp1qv]

@Memyself-g5m na I'm good talked to the moriori they said I can stay you clowns on the other hand they said can jump on a log and get blown back to the islands you got kicked out of

[@Rod-qp1qv]

@Memyself-g5m couldn't handle the truth ape

[@brucecorban]

​@Memyself-g5m so are you

[@Memyself-g5m]

@@Rod-qp1qv so happy for you, Rod❤️ I suggest you look in the mirror, look deep into your own eyes and say “I’m the racist”. You can keep projecting it out, up to you but as always the only one that suffers from your own thought process, is you. I wish you luck.

[@blusheen378]

Impartial for Kiwis is important. If you have dipped in ANY trough, then there's gravy over your body. Let those whose body is clean of gravy make impartial speeches, normal people see that as fairness, justice. Sadly, Seymour is quite clean, can't find gravy on his body. Some thoughts.

[@cherylcarr5690]

Thank you for your great work 🎉

[@georgeorwell6869]

The Treaty Principles being a construct of the Waitangi Tribunal and sitting Gov in 1975. The Treaty Principals have never been defined so have been grossly misrepresented and misinterpreted at every turn as to control the narrative and never put at risk the milking of the Tax Paying Citizens of New Zealand. This repugnant rot must end as it holds this country back from reaching its full potential, disincentivizes the achievers in this country who then leave, incentives a portion of our community who only ever put there hand out instead of up and contributing. Why would you want to define the Principles when it wouldn't be in the interests of a portion of our community when they can ride the gravy train and then the rest of us have to pay for it all...Its repugnant and must come to an end. I'm totally in favour of a definition of the Principals, if you're not I would suggest you're a handbrake on the future of New Zealand

[@FrankAhKuoi]

Sorry for me i agree with David bills i have many race o people live in new Zealand paid taxes, have a great new year 😂

[@AlexthunderGnum]

There was a reason why it was people from British islands coming to Aotearoa and not other way around. Just think about it. Take as long time as you need to process it.

[@JamesClark-cg1qk]

Well the British were more technologically advanced and were able to make repeat voyages like that. And in 200 years they transformed NZ into a modern democracy. Well done them.

[@AlexthunderGnum]

@@JamesClark-cg1qk Good start, James, thank you! Let's keep the questioning further - WHY British were more technologically advance? Did they receive their technological advantage as a gift or they were just that lucky to have it? Or was there a reason why British were more technologically advanced than the people of the Pacific, including Maori?

[@sarahrose4126]

So you're saying that you believe if a civilization is more technologically " advanced " than another race they have a right to invade another country , steal their lands , subjugate the other race to the invaders choice of governance , make a " peace Treaty " giving the other race certain inalienable rights to rule over themselves, but 200 years later , if it's no longer convenient to respect the less technologically " advanced " race , they can shred the original Treaty and tell the Maori they've lost all rights to self governance? Lol. You're funny. To quote you exactly, " Take as long as you need to process this ".

[@SnoweyViking]

@AlexthunderGnum Maori made the journey over open oceans to get to NZ in the first place, they just didn't wear white powdered wigs and tights like the British. Maori also gave the British hell in the British-Maori wars. Your argument is trying to imply that white people are racially superior than Maori. Why do you think the British needed to create a treaty in the first place? Because they couldn't govern NZ without Maori support. Ive processed your argument and my conclusion is that you are racist.

[@JamesClark-cg1qk]

@@AlexthunderGnum they developed and embraced the scientific method, and had a stable society with effective government and the rule of law. It works wonders. Some that haven't developed in the same way want to tear all that down. It must be defended.

[@brucegibbins3792]

Kia Ora. Thank you Moana for shinning a light of understanding for Pakeha like myself trying to move from the dark cave of ignorance and a previous disinterest in our own country's history from a time when our education came from a British syllabus.

[@mikepaki1834]

TENA KOE BRUCE

[@Yayme1613]

Thats not what it the bill says at all is it moanna

[@lancedonald6070]

She is just a another hori trouble maker that needs to be thoroughly rubbished then permanently ignored !

[@mikerichardson2177]

What does it mean then??? ...3 sentences that no one seems to understand. Is there a Maori version in English...that is correct translation to the Maori one??...the English one is easy and straight forward!

[@Memyself-g5m]

There is plenty of content online explaining all 3. Why you asking if it’s in Māori? If your referring to or using Te Tiriti as a comparison, you need to understand that Te tiriti was signed at a time when minimal settlers understood the language.

[@mikerichardson2177]

@Memyself-g5m is there an agreed true translaed maori treaty in english??

[@mikerichardson2177]

@Memyself-g5m the time it was signed was also before any thought of millions being here and modern things like roads and infrastructure etc.

[@Memyself-g5m]

@@mikerichardson2177 it was also signed when there were 10 times more Māori than pakeha, think you just answered your own question😊

[@vikingmaori7060]

Tena koe Moana ,simply delivered.

[@peterford113]

I would predict that most New Zealanders WHEN given the vote would want New Zealand to become a republic. Australia will head this way & nz will follow .. 🤔

[@ailsaeccles111]

😢

[@MsPeaches2you]

Ah… no.

[@michaelnewzealand1888]

Very well spoken Moana. I agree with some of what you said and disagree with some of what you said but if someone like you was in parliament articulating this kind of position it would be a lot better than any of the Maori Party members that I see currently. The point though of having a debate would be someone like you articulating your position and then someone like David Seymour articulating his position and having a back and forth conversation, rebuttals questioning and clarification and so forth that could give some beneficial understanding to people in the general public. And as you well know, the bill will not go past select committee stage and will be struck down at the second reading so there's no way it's going to come into law. That being the case I don't know why the maori party are so upset, they should be rejoicing that national and New Zealand first are not going to support it past the first reading. Also, if your view is correct that gives a great opportunity to inform the public.

[@Poutini]

Mauri ora

[@roorapatuwairua3568]

Thank you Moana, for the explanation. So grateful to you for being out finding reasons for why Act needs to change the principle's. It' doesn't make sense.😊

[@fatbastard70]

Have you read the Bill? The last line... 'Nothing in this Act amends the text of the Treaty of Waitangi/te Tiriti o Waitangi.' So stop your misinformation!!!

[@djpomare]

Focus on getting in the waka and working together - Kiingi Tuheitia. United laws with consultation and equal input from Tangata whenua and Tangata tiriti.

[@honahwikeepa2115]

The Treaty of Waitangi was forged upon the absolute moral categories of the Bible. The Anthropic Principle. You keep not mentioning this. The Bible is also opposed to abortion which kills roughly 3,000 Pepe annually. Ti hei Mauriora.

[@DarrynMurray]

I remember seeing you perform Tahi..live..youre still cute as . Just saying

[@ChurDabro-xh2zu]

bullshit !

[@Ureckon]

Apartheid?

[@Rowanfbird]

Who cares what this activist thinks