Mochy vs Alexandra Knupfer 9p (German Championship 2017) 1/2

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Mochy Backgammon

Mochy Backgammon

7 жыл бұрын

The 4th round of the 2nd chance of German Championship. The match file can be downloaded at www.dropbox.com/s/35tpea131tv...
Played at Dorint Hotel in Frankfurt. 2017/6/4

Пікірлер: 644
@kotad2134
@kotad2134 3 жыл бұрын
This popped up in my recommended and I have no idea what’s going on
@jogisamuel1087
@jogisamuel1087 3 жыл бұрын
Same here
@markfelicilda5867
@markfelicilda5867 3 жыл бұрын
I don't understand a thing😅🤔🤔🤔
@DavidLindes
@DavidLindes 3 жыл бұрын
@@markfelicilda5867 et al: there are some good videos out there explaining the game. Once you know the rules, and maybe a bit of the strategy, this is actually kind of fascinating to watch (or at least I find it so). :)
@gokugen7165
@gokugen7165 3 жыл бұрын
For the first time in my life, I watched other people play games without knowing how to play. : v
@averroes238
@averroes238 3 жыл бұрын
2020 times
@SkywardSpork
@SkywardSpork 3 жыл бұрын
I recommend playing backgammon, my missus and I have our own board and it's a lotta fun
@Pokieraf
@Pokieraf 3 жыл бұрын
Same.
@narcisonegron6293
@narcisonegron6293 3 жыл бұрын
I WAS AWAITING FOR A GOOD MOVE BUT IT NEVER HAPPENED.
@rickl.461
@rickl.461 3 жыл бұрын
@@SkywardSpork I play at this site cardgames.io/backgammon/ You get to play against the computer or other people (recommended, because the computer makes some questionable moves). It's no frills but simple and straightforward. The dice rolls feel pretty random. You can give yourself a name, and you'll see some of the same people show up regularly. It's also really easy to set up a match.
@mercylessplayer
@mercylessplayer 3 жыл бұрын
If anyone ever asks me what the Dunning-Kruger effect is, i'll show them this comment section
@mobiusklein9140
@mobiusklein9140 3 жыл бұрын
Indeed, in particular the guy who asks what the doubling cube is for and then criticises one of Mochy's moves, LOL the Dunning-Kruger personified,
@zenith3515
@zenith3515 3 жыл бұрын
Great work Mochy. Always a pleasure.
@trumpameri1638
@trumpameri1638 3 жыл бұрын
Pleasure to watch her terrible mistakes and bad offer for double wins hahahaha hahahaha
@mobiusklein9140
@mobiusklein9140 3 жыл бұрын
@@trumpameri1638 - she played with a PR of 8.4, you can win tournaments with that PR. Furthermore she made no cube errors at all in the match, which I ran through XG.
@leestreet4956
@leestreet4956 11 ай бұрын
For the exception of beginners, I believe that the luck of the dice, plays a very big part in determining a match, against ANY player, once you've learned how to move around the board, with a full understanding of how the game the game is played. Having said that, the more doubles that a player rolls, the more likely they are, of winning. No matter who they face. Therefore, Anyone can bite the dust depending on the roll of the dice.
@bennemann
@bennemann 6 ай бұрын
That is true. Magriel mentions in his seminal book from 1973 that part of the fascination of backgammon is how a beginner can beat a world-class expert if their difference in luck is great enough. The expert's higher skill can minimize the chance of this happening and stack the odds in his favor, but that's all it is: stacking the odds. It's not guaranteeing the odds. This is why matches of backgammon last several rounds: the more rounds, the less influence luck has, and the more the skill difference can shine through.
@Imtrynasheep
@Imtrynasheep 3 ай бұрын
thats deep
@billylapworth
@billylapworth Ай бұрын
​@@bennemannapplies to all of life really. Nothing you want is ever guaranteed, all you can do is stack the odds in your favour. Unlike backgammon there's rarely a way of calculating those odds, but they still exist.
@johnbug1334
@johnbug1334 3 жыл бұрын
i like how 3/4 of the comments are people who have no idea whats going on
@evanbourgnon4765
@evanbourgnon4765 3 жыл бұрын
Mochy, I wanted to congratulate you for having reached +200K views. I remember this video was the first backgammon video I ever saw when you just relased it, for I started to play a few weeks before that, and you played a fair part in me going from a total beginner to a 3.6 average player so quick. Back then, you were inspiring me, you still inspire me, and I hope you'll continue inspiring me. Cheers.
@bgmochy
@bgmochy 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Evan, keep on playing. 3.6? amazing. world is changing.
@trainerred6582
@trainerred6582 3 жыл бұрын
How do people improve at backgammon? I know how they do in chess, but where are backgammon players so you can improve your rating? What's the best backgammon learning website?
@cliffy236
@cliffy236 3 жыл бұрын
how does one get rated, and how high does the ratings go?
@alex324ization
@alex324ization 3 жыл бұрын
@@trainerred6582 I would start with www.bkgm.com/ and Facebook group backgammon strategy
@trumpameri1638
@trumpameri1638 3 жыл бұрын
@@trainerred6582 backgammon is very interesting and also easy job to learn how to play....
@peterstrianus1790
@peterstrianus1790 5 жыл бұрын
My favourite player. Classy action Alexandra played well but Mochy had the right decision at the right moments. Enjoyed the game and studied of course !
@agentcmac
@agentcmac 4 жыл бұрын
What a beautiful table .
@xchalibur77
@xchalibur77 2 жыл бұрын
And the checkers, too😉
@lawrencecollins3190
@lawrencecollins3190 3 ай бұрын
Yes indeed. Wonder how much it costs??
@rimantasri4578
@rimantasri4578 Жыл бұрын
I am new to this game and wanted to know why they beared off their checkers the way they wanted at the end of the round? I've read that there are very strict rules of how player must bear off checkers. For example: if my dice were 2 and 3; and I have a checker at 3, then I must bear off that checker. And if I haven't got any checkers on 2nd triangle, then I must move the checker that is closest to the 2nd triangle, but further away from the border of the game board. Did I misunderstood the rules? Can you please explain? :)
@tgwnn
@tgwnn 9 ай бұрын
No you don't need to bear off a checker from the 3 point. If you can move another checker with a 3, you can do it. Or sometimes you can move the checker off the 3 with a smaller roll and bear off something else. The only strict rule is that if there is a move that uses both dice, you must make it.
@mobiusklein9140
@mobiusklein9140 3 жыл бұрын
I downloaded the match file and ran it through XG. Mochy had a PR of 4.8 (world class) and Alexandra 8.4 (advanced) but she was hugely out-lucked. Commiserations Alex, you played well.
@DavidLindes
@DavidLindes 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this. It’s frustrating to see so many people dissing on her play, when so much (all?) of it came down to luck. I guess for some, any excuse to let their misogyny show while maintaining deniability.... sigh.
@noone3367
@noone3367 3 ай бұрын
@@DavidLindes They see a woman and they automatically think of "misogyny", they see a black person and they automatically think of racism, you people need to learn how to handle criticism without playing that stupid overused victim card
@DavidLindes
@DavidLindes 3 ай бұрын
@@noone3367 oh gosh, wow, you really told me. /s Misogyny is really out there. So's racism. Sure, it's not the answer to everything, but, ya know, one learns to see it, because it's really really common.
@noone3367
@noone3367 3 ай бұрын
@@DavidLindes And I don't think it's common at all, most people don't care how you look like or who you are sleeping with, if you believe in a God or you don't! And btw I don't see any misogynistic comment so Idk what you are talking about.
@tomsandstrom338
@tomsandstrom338 Ай бұрын
@@DavidLindes Dude... what the duck are you talking about...
@robertlozyniak3661
@robertlozyniak3661 3 жыл бұрын
Why is the player playing the white pieces wearing black, and vice versa?
@Jesterday31
@Jesterday31 3 жыл бұрын
This is an ancient backgammon rule that is by and large taken out of modern backgammon. Players are no longer expected to wear the colors of their opponents checkers. Yet evethough backgammon organizations do not hold people accountable for not following this rule, some players still like to honor it even today.
@HorseRaceHandicrapper
@HorseRaceHandicrapper 3 ай бұрын
@@Jesterday31 Yes, and they must change clothes when their men are yellow, brown, or green, red, or blue. That is where the expression, "quick change artist," came from because they are on the clock.
@Meg-ts3kx
@Meg-ts3kx 4 жыл бұрын
She was outrolled so many times even when ahead.. I wouldn't fill the lottery if I were her, girl has zero luck.
@puppetsock
@puppetsock 4 жыл бұрын
I know, right? The guy needed 6's and he gets 6's. The guy needed 3 5 and he gets 3 5. The guy needs to hit and cover, and he does. Thumbs down for horrible luck sack. He leaves 4 shots and she dances on a 2 point board. LUCK SACK!
@aarien_of_aurolyth
@aarien_of_aurolyth 3 жыл бұрын
She also leaves way too many pips open. There was one point (third round, I think) she had 5 pips open. Who the hell keeps 5 pips open? That's asking to be hit.
@trumpameri1638
@trumpameri1638 3 жыл бұрын
@@aarien_of_aurolyth she have very very bad movement in completely this game..... asking for double when she is not in advantage
@mobiusklein9140
@mobiusklein9140 3 жыл бұрын
@@trumpameri1638 - Her cube handling was near perfect. Cube handling in a match is totally different than in money play, doubling windows change with the score, in money play they are constant.
@blendarichter9347
@blendarichter9347 3 жыл бұрын
@@puppetsock Indeed. It was nauseating. I couldn't watch it any longer.
@bc5001
@bc5001 3 жыл бұрын
When I watch these tournaments I like to pause video right after the die is rolled so I can mentally do the play I would make and see if they would do same play. If they do...cool...if not then I like to learn from the best their strategy.
@trumpameri1638
@trumpameri1638 3 жыл бұрын
Nice work but u must know that this people are not magicians for backgammon and also many movement can be different depend what dice u get in next throw..... i watch this game and believe me nothing special this people playing..... backgammon is simple game
@inuksukharata5943
@inuksukharata5943 3 жыл бұрын
@@trumpameri1638 Ok, why are you not at any significant tournament yet?
@user-kv6ls8xh3b
@user-kv6ls8xh3b Ай бұрын
انته تعلم ان مباراتهم لاتحتاج كل هذا الوقت يفترض ان تكون لعباتهم سريعة جدً نضراً لحركة النرد (أكاد اجزم انهم مبتدئين )في العراق لدينا لانفكر كثيراً وأنما نلعب مباشرة بدون اي تأخير نستنتج ونلعب بسرعة بديهة
@noeliabr2
@noeliabr2 3 жыл бұрын
At 14:28 he throws a 2 and a 4. Then he proceeds by moving 2 checkers from point 2. How does that work? Can you split a 4 over two checkers? And a little after that the game ends. Why? Aren't all checkers supposed to be off the board? I just started playing yesterday and I'm so confused and full of questions now hahah. Maybe someone can enlighten me!
@Curdisy
@Curdisy 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sure you've learnt this by now but during the bare off in this situation for example, since he has no checkers in the 4 point, 5 point or 6 point he is forced to take a checker off of the 2 point. if he had no checkers in the 4 point but a checker in the 5 point he would be forced to move the checker from 5 - 1
@mobiusklein9140
@mobiusklein9140 2 жыл бұрын
@@Curdisy bear off
@olegyefremov2583
@olegyefremov2583 3 жыл бұрын
Notice how player with black stones wearing white shirt, while other player is complete opposite.
@laurenyvettea5628
@laurenyvettea5628 4 жыл бұрын
My favorite game to play!!!!!
@user-xl7ne9pg7g
@user-xl7ne9pg7g 4 ай бұрын
@WRXjasonSTI
@WRXjasonSTI 3 жыл бұрын
Am new to Backgammon-- what kind of board does Mochy have? looks great
@mobiusklein9140
@mobiusklein9140 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure but it looks like a Geoffrey Parker board, got £3000 to spare? then go get one.
@BobBilheimer
@BobBilheimer 2 жыл бұрын
@@mobiusklein9140 Although Geoffrey Parker does makes insanely gorgeous boards, I’m not sure this is one of them. It looks closer to a P 40, in my opinion.
@mobiusklein9140
@mobiusklein9140 2 жыл бұрын
@@BobBilheimer - After a closer look, I think you're right Bob.
@missignookumura6176
@missignookumura6176 3 жыл бұрын
Me the last week: i always see this board game lets see how to play it Me today: excited by seen a championship of backgammon
@gustavotsantos
@gustavotsantos 4 ай бұрын
New player on learning here. Anyone could tell me if is there some etiquette rule which tells the player who are next to victory for don't use the doubling cube? It seems to me that this would be a way to end soon those matches avoind wasting time 😢
@johnp8880
@johnp8880 2 ай бұрын
Players must alternate doubling the cube, so in the first game, he was not allowed to redouble once victory was assured. (I only watched the first 10 minutes.)
@shauryaseam4597
@shauryaseam4597 4 жыл бұрын
First game was good. I liked how you made the primes!
@giannisola_sta_robot6932
@giannisola_sta_robot6932 4 жыл бұрын
First game was good??? Hahahaha
@deadpoolsvenomxz0108
@deadpoolsvenomxz0108 4 жыл бұрын
Yes. First game was good! This giannis ola guy must be dumb!
@giannisola_sta_robot6932
@giannisola_sta_robot6932 4 жыл бұрын
@Codename: Rebirth.Ok let's analyze the first game. 0:17 The girl plays wrong 4/3, you don't play on 24/21. you play on 24/20 and on 13/10. 0:42 The doubles that the Vietcong plays are: the first two correctly but then he has to play one of his checkers from 24/20. 1:10 the 6/6 that the warrior plays are wrong. He has to take two of his checkers from 13/7 and from 11/5 so that it makes five doors and game over. 10:00 he thinks for a minute how he will play 6/4. Fortunately after a minute, a miracle happened and he played it right 11:35 Two minutes he thought how will play 5/3. Luckily after 2 fucking minutes he played well again. How long does it takes to think about this simple movement? .Competitors.Are you listen to me?? Change the fucken rules.Our nerves are broken 13:25 wrong playing by the girl. not from 12 /4 one checker. You have to play from 12/8 one checker and from 4/1 the other. why? Because if girls dice has 5 or 6 in the next throw she will not be forced to take the checker that threatens the opponent in his area, which he did, of course.hahahah. Because brinking the vietkogk 3/1,4/1,5/1,6/1,his checker will be exposed. Tragiiiiiiicccccccccc After my words ,you believe tha the first game was good??? Bye
@trumpameri1638
@trumpameri1638 3 жыл бұрын
@@giannisola_sta_robot6932 you are completely top level.... this two guys not understand what u talking about... 13:25 very good .. I like how u see this 1,4... 1,5... 1,6... we must wait for last possible solution always
@trumpameri1638
@trumpameri1638 3 жыл бұрын
@@deadpoolsvenomxz0108 watch closely game and you will see how many mistakes this woman make
@VulcanOnWheels
@VulcanOnWheels 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry that the camera was just a little too close to see the scoreboard and the clocks.
@kyleaclan580
@kyleaclan580 3 жыл бұрын
POV of me clicking this on my recommended, not knowing wtf is going on, watch a separate video explain how to play, come back and still be CONFUSED AF! LOLOL
@John-dh5ti
@John-dh5ti 3 жыл бұрын
So i was playing with my nephew and looked up sets on my phone to buy him one.... this pops up on my desktop.....not that I'm complaining mind you, but still
@peterweltweit
@peterweltweit 2 жыл бұрын
Bin überrascht, dass es keine touch-move -Regel gibt. Würde mich nerven. Haben wir das in den 70ern nicht anders gespielt? Habe 3 Turniere veranstaltet.
@danchanner7887
@danchanner7887 9 ай бұрын
How do you play with all that background noise?
@joseph85al
@joseph85al 6 жыл бұрын
I love backgammon
@normanhibbert1694
@normanhibbert1694 3 жыл бұрын
Oh good so do I m8
@SinQuererOfender
@SinQuererOfender 29 күн бұрын
El chico ganó por goleada. Buen video
@gillpanda
@gillpanda 3 жыл бұрын
i so wanna get into this game, heck I want the board!
@mikeminno5956
@mikeminno5956 3 жыл бұрын
It is a great game. My brother in law and I played it allmost every night....a few wines.....a doobie.......great fun.....except when he wins....;-)
@adamlongo5486
@adamlongo5486 3 жыл бұрын
This looks like an P40 Board. they're like $1000 ish
@richard0807
@richard0807 2 жыл бұрын
I have never seen anyone throw so many doubles as Mochy in this match. And his opponent had awful dice, just to add insult to injury. There's a lot of strategy in backgammon, but there's a huge element of luck, too, and Mochy had more than his fair share.
@bgmochy
@bgmochy 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching Richard, in case you want my bad dice, please check this one.kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZvbaaCDr6loecU
@titaniumsandwedge
@titaniumsandwedge 4 жыл бұрын
What is Alexandra doing in the first game? Avoiding a gammon? Taking all those checkers out of play guarantees a loss.
@michaelmarshall9859
@michaelmarshall9859 4 жыл бұрын
My father mentioned he like the board being used, more specifically the checkers. Does anyone know where I could order one similar?
@GonkOrange
@GonkOrange 4 жыл бұрын
This is just a guess, but it might be from gammoner-usa... they make custom boards and they're often used at tournaments.
@GonkOrange
@GonkOrange 4 жыл бұрын
Actually im sorry. Now i'm sure its a p40 board.
@bgmochy
@bgmochy 4 жыл бұрын
It is a P40 board.
@kencur9690
@kencur9690 4 жыл бұрын
I’m not expert, but something tells me it is a P40 board. Just a hunch.
@PrecociousSloth
@PrecociousSloth 3 жыл бұрын
Holy hell that’s over a thousand dollars..
@jamshidfarshidfar
@jamshidfarshidfar Ай бұрын
You should show the number of each movement, please. Thanks.
@hontiveros1445
@hontiveros1445 3 жыл бұрын
why the revolve of pieces are different when you playing in computer?
@mobiusklein9140
@mobiusklein9140 3 жыл бұрын
You can play either direction, its optional.
@Luggasan1
@Luggasan1 3 жыл бұрын
Where do i get that board and pieces?
@gregorykafanelis5093
@gregorykafanelis5093 3 жыл бұрын
What's this game called? I never imagined it would be played outside of Greece or that it isn't ours. Ha. Every day you learn something new. Although to be honest, they take a lot of time on their moves.
@andreagardellin6439
@andreagardellin6439 3 жыл бұрын
the game is backgammon
@gregorykafanelis5093
@gregorykafanelis5093 3 жыл бұрын
@@andreagardellin6439 Thank you very much
@PeterOzanne
@PeterOzanne 2 жыл бұрын
The game probably originated in Ancient Persia or Egypt. They have a clock with a time limit in big tournaments, so they cannot think too long - they could lose if their clock time is all gone, just like in Chess!
@petermcphee666
@petermcphee666 4 жыл бұрын
Fast game’s a good game.
@arturohernandez2714
@arturohernandez2714 3 жыл бұрын
I want to be in a real tournament!!
@HeroWarsPhanatic
@HeroWarsPhanatic 3 ай бұрын
The way we play In Greece you get a slap if you change your moves, 1 move that's it LOL the dude is playing out every combination before finally deciding, what a Malaka !
@gelincikank
@gelincikank Жыл бұрын
Mochy seni izlerken çok yoruluyorum ben ya.
@mundohc9778
@mundohc9778 3 жыл бұрын
En la primera ronda por que dio la victoria la chica si aún no salían todas las fichas?
@Wake-up1776
@Wake-up1776 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry, new to the game . What happened which allowed him to roll 4 times in a row?
@bgmochy
@bgmochy 2 жыл бұрын
could you specify the minute you watched it?
@Wake-up1776
@Wake-up1776 2 жыл бұрын
@@bgmochy 38 minute mark, I understand why now though
@bgmochy
@bgmochy 2 жыл бұрын
@@Wake-up1776 OK, im glad you understand now.
@Wake-up1776
@Wake-up1776 2 жыл бұрын
@@bgmochy thanks, I appreciate the reply
@srtss5056
@srtss5056 4 жыл бұрын
Is this a different kind of backgammon? I'm confused.
@PANTAOLAS
@PANTAOLAS 4 жыл бұрын
It's a kind of joke ...
@krisobotaapje1234
@krisobotaapje1234 4 жыл бұрын
I always played backgammon the other way around, the first time i watched a game of backgammon i was so confused as well
@cooliereddz4141
@cooliereddz4141 4 жыл бұрын
Ok I’ve been trying to learn how to play for a few days now but every time I look up rules they’re explained differently, it’s a shame because for some reason I’m intrigued by it the game and I need a new hobby
@lizardas
@lizardas 3 жыл бұрын
@@krisobotaapje1234 I learned to play both ways, alternating each time.
@Lanovran
@Lanovran 3 жыл бұрын
@@krisobotaapje1234 If you're talking about which direction you're moving your checkers, that depends entirely on which side of the board you're sitting on.
@arlinguabalopez8420
@arlinguabalopez8420 3 жыл бұрын
I have two questions 1)what is the name of the game? And... 2)How can i play this game? 🤔
@soyedgar1831
@soyedgar1831 3 жыл бұрын
Arlin Guaba López backgamond
@arlinguabalopez8420
@arlinguabalopez8420 3 жыл бұрын
@@soyedgar1831 Gracias!!!
@mikeminno5956
@mikeminno5956 3 жыл бұрын
@@soyedgar1831 NO....it is Backgammon.......not gammoned
@rickl.461
@rickl.461 3 жыл бұрын
I play at this site cardgames.io/backgammon/ You get to play against the computer or other people (recommended, because the computer makes some questionable moves). It's no frills but simple and straightforward. The dice rolls feel pretty random. You can give yourself a name, and you'll see some of the same people show up regularly. It's also really easy to set up a match.
@DerSeemann1976
@DerSeemann1976 Ай бұрын
Where i can buy such a huge board?
@fabriziodelfino2254
@fabriziodelfino2254 3 жыл бұрын
Where can I get a board as big as the one shown in the video?
@PrecociousSloth
@PrecociousSloth 3 жыл бұрын
P-40 board...but it’s a thousand dollars....
@fabriziodelfino2254
@fabriziodelfino2254 3 жыл бұрын
@@PrecociousSloth HAHA oookey ... Thanks for answering my comment haha
@knightlife7446
@knightlife7446 4 жыл бұрын
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@ceferistul05
@ceferistul05 2 жыл бұрын
they don t tend to play uncovered, uncovered is the spectacular way to play
@PeterOzanne
@PeterOzanne 2 жыл бұрын
What do you mean "uncovered"? With no clothes!?
@ceferistul05
@ceferistul05 2 жыл бұрын
@@PeterOzanne by uncovered i mean having spots with only one piece
@TheELNub
@TheELNub 4 жыл бұрын
I'm a Beginner. Can someone please explain Mochy's thought process @ 9:42 when he rolls a 6/4? I don't understand why it takes him so long to arrive at his decision.
@user-pd9cq7sm8o
@user-pd9cq7sm8o 4 жыл бұрын
I think he's thinking about the best way how to bear in without leaving a shot. The 3 Point inner Board of her is not that strong but the 3 checkers on Mochys 3 Point make it difficult to bear in. This is crucial because if you get hit and you fan she can easily play out her Checkers with 4s,5s and 6s from the 3 Point without crunching her inner Board. That's why Mochy carefully thinks about the best way to bear in minimalizing her chances to hit and force her to crunch her inner Board that's why you not only think about not getting hit but also about keeping the 4-Prime long enough that she crunches so that you can easily enter if you get hit. So for example you could play 17/11 6/2 or 17/11 5/1. I analyzed the position in extreme gammon and these alternatives are close but Mochy as usually comes up with the best play 17/7.
@giannisola_sta_robot6932
@giannisola_sta_robot6932 4 жыл бұрын
Mochy is thinking about 2 minutes how to play 6/1 the first movement. Hahahha. What makes you believe that this movement would played it faster??? Hahahah. He has slow thought probably because his iq is under the average. So dont ask why. Just enjoy it and laugh
@BobBilheimer
@BobBilheimer 2 жыл бұрын
Not that I am an expert… But I seriously doubt that Mochy is remotely concerned about being hit. Even if he is hit, he would almost certainly come out immediately, as her homeboard is all but crunched already. My first inclination is that the reason he’s taking so long is to consider if she rolls less than a seven, and leaves her self open to being re-hit, thereby increasing Mochy‘s chances of a gammon
@BobBilheimer
@BobBilheimer 2 жыл бұрын
Not that I am an expert… But I seriously doubt that Mochy is remotely concerned about being hit. Even if he is hit, he would almost certainly come out immediately, as her homeboard is all but crunched already. My first inclination is that the reason he’s taking so long is to consider if she rolls less than a seven, and leaves her self open to being re-hit, thereby increasing Mochy‘s chances of a gammon
@leestreet4956
@leestreet4956 11 ай бұрын
It's quite simple, He's unsure. Fear, can be the correct term to use. The fear of making a costly mistake, could make one ponder on a move, that's a no brainer.
@KillxLucifer
@KillxLucifer 4 жыл бұрын
I don't understand anything about this games but still, watch because I don't have anything to do while Quaranties.
@jblmochi
@jblmochi 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, backgammon is a great game. Try it when you have time ! kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZmmhqWHiKykiqs
@trumpameri1638
@trumpameri1638 3 жыл бұрын
Great game
@subyk6046
@subyk6046 4 жыл бұрын
Can you please explain (or anyone) what big dice do? Thanks
@bgmochy
@bgmochy 4 жыл бұрын
How to Use the Doubling Cube Each backgammon game starts with a value of one point. The doubling cube is placed in the middle of the bar and is not controlled by either player. When a player feels he has the advantage in a game, that player can choose to offer a double before rolling the dice-effectively doubling the value of the game. The opposing player can turn down the offer but concedes the game by doing so and pays one point. If the opposing player accepts the offer, the value of the game doubles-from 1 to 2, from 2 to 4, or from 4 to 8, for example. When a player accepts a double, he takes control of the doubling cube and is the only player who can make the next offer of a double. Knowing when to accept a double and when to decline is a sign of a skilled backgammon player. www.thesprucecrafts.com/how-to-use-a-backgammon-doubling-cube-409278
@subyk6046
@subyk6046 4 жыл бұрын
@@bgmochy thank you very much
@jblmochi
@jblmochi 4 жыл бұрын
@@subyk6046 NO problem. Cube makes the game much more interesting. So this video we played to 9points but using a cube, so it can be finished one game as well.
@giannisola_sta_robot6932
@giannisola_sta_robot6932 4 жыл бұрын
Mochy.If you played as well as you explained here, then I would admit it to you
@marcotjn
@marcotjn 3 жыл бұрын
Nice games
@mobiusklein9140
@mobiusklein9140 Жыл бұрын
Just watched this again as I detect a worrying trend in backgammon tournaments; the level of background noise is becoming a concern and is at a level that would simply not be tolerated in other indoor games of concentration.
@656nardo
@656nardo 3 жыл бұрын
What’s the purpose of the one dice with the big numbers?
@stancosmin-bogdan1236
@stancosmin-bogdan1236 3 жыл бұрын
Double round, the winner gets 2 points instead of one
@hassadabbass4678
@hassadabbass4678 3 жыл бұрын
She is just too good. Amazing game. What about 3:54 stackin up 2 on 3ed barrell? It would be a nice move
@trumpameri1638
@trumpameri1638 3 жыл бұрын
She is to good to lose 9 - 0 hahahaha hahahaha
@winchestertonfield
@winchestertonfield 5 жыл бұрын
Rollin Good
@numbers93
@numbers93 4 жыл бұрын
dat board looks so fancy o.o
@DavidLindes
@DavidLindes 3 жыл бұрын
It ought to be, I guess, given that it apparently has one of the players names on it? :-o
@Qball42
@Qball42 3 жыл бұрын
Does the doubling cube go back to one after a game ends? Or, once you have doubled, do those stakes stay the same until the entire game is over?
@UnkleRiceYo
@UnkleRiceYo 3 жыл бұрын
Goes back to normal when the game ends
@Qball42
@Qball42 3 жыл бұрын
UnkleRiceYo Thanks. That's what I thought but I wanted to be sure.
@jasonburton7845
@jasonburton7845 Жыл бұрын
How can they move backwards?
@ssekyewajulius5769
@ssekyewajulius5769 3 ай бұрын
am a beginner , someone explain to me what happened at 23;50 why they started over.
@konblacky
@konblacky 5 жыл бұрын
Can you please explain (or anyone ) the move 5 & 1 at 18:20 and why you settled with the exposed piece at 18:50. An amateur like myself would have played the one piece 1 and then 5.
@cmac7246
@cmac7246 4 жыл бұрын
She’s on the bar, so she has to roll in with a 2 or a 3. That means that 22, 36, and 23 are hitting rolls for her. Even if she does hit, she will still likely have to split the checker from the 18 which leaves additional shots for Mochy coming in from the bar. Any 3, 12, 52, 43, 16 all come in and hit her blots on the inner board. The play from Mochy increases his chance of a gammon which he did end up getting. It’s also why he didn’t cube. She was very underdeveloped in her board, so the risks outweighed the rewards. He just wasn’t concerned about being hit and he wanted to get more numbers that allow him to make inner points next turn.
@bpetersson5024
@bpetersson5024 4 жыл бұрын
there are a few reasons: black has only two slots to get the stone in from the bridge and doing that and making the jump out to the 6-3 point is not likely. But if it happens, black's home is wide open for reentry and has a stone open which could very easily get hit. White also has the two stones on the 13 point that needs to go home and in the event they are split, you want ore than one landing spot at the 6-2, 6-3 point. so on balance, its a good risk ti tke because its quick to recover from if white gets knocked out..
@giannisola_sta_robot6932
@giannisola_sta_robot6932 4 жыл бұрын
Look. Even if I have a bad opinion for these players(many many many mistakes),at this time surprisingly, the man played correctly. Because he gives his posibility to himself to make a door in his area and on the other hand because the girl in its area is open. If I watch the whole match, I'm sure I will count more than 300 errors. But I dont want because my eyes hurts when I watch players like them.
@deaddeaddeaddeaddead5667
@deaddeaddeaddeaddead5667 3 жыл бұрын
i know the rule of backgammon but what is that big die with the number 2 on it?
@felixmax7404
@felixmax7404 3 жыл бұрын
It’s a Doubling cube, it doubles the point value of the game and the other player can accept or forfeit
@deaddeaddeaddeaddead5667
@deaddeaddeaddeaddead5667 3 жыл бұрын
@@felixmax7404 thanks!
@mytube1968
@mytube1968 3 жыл бұрын
I clearly don't understand a couple of things. One, why is it a player can keep moving jockeying their checkers around? It seems ripe for cheating. And second, why is there such deliberation once your pieces are in your corner? Why wouldn't you just pull them out? (e.g. @13:00)?
@inuksukharata5943
@inuksukharata5943 3 жыл бұрын
a) What cheating? b) It's not only his pieces there
@mytube1968
@mytube1968 3 жыл бұрын
@@inuksukharata5943 I didn't say there was cheating, just that it could be ripe for cheating. I would think that picking up the checkers, palming them, etc... then not committing, would be problematic. (say, in a street game)
@lucancherby
@lucancherby 11 күн бұрын
what happened at 23:50? why did they stop playing?
@user-yx8um8qy8j
@user-yx8um8qy8j 3 жыл бұрын
а что за колено сходил потом передумал переходил как же взялся ходи
@anubhabchatterjee4403
@anubhabchatterjee4403 4 жыл бұрын
What's this
@pakorsompan1045
@pakorsompan1045 4 жыл бұрын
What's game? I dont know but i thing it interesting.
@carlcool20
@carlcool20 4 жыл бұрын
Its called backgammon, its a very old game and its still very popular in the middle east. There are different types of versions such as mahbuse which consists of starting at the very first line (this version is pretty popular since its the harder version of what they are playing). For starters i guess u can start playing the "backgammon" version they are playing...
@bgmochy
@bgmochy 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching my video. This is called backgammon and it is a good fun game! kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZmmhqWHiKykiqs
@ianrossetto5435
@ianrossetto5435 4 жыл бұрын
Porque eu vim parar aqui? O que é isso?
@alexjokerlinkin
@alexjokerlinkin 2 жыл бұрын
Por que cada vez que gana suma 2 puntos? Es por que ella se rinde esa ronda
@trainerred6582
@trainerred6582 3 жыл бұрын
How do people improve at backgammon? I can't find coaches, learning websites, or even 1 person that knows how to play. Shouldn't you be able to play stronger people to improve like in chess? But where are the players? It seems like no one plays backgammon. I've seen more Pokemon Trading Card and even Smash Bros. Melee tournaments than backgammon
@jblmochi
@jblmochi 3 жыл бұрын
You might want to check Backgammongalaxy.com, the biggest backgammon server. For learning, if you use facebook, check backgammon strategy forum where people post problems from beginners to experts. You can also find some tutoring videos made by backgammongalaxy here on youtube. There are www.backgammonlearningcenter.com/ for hiring coaches. I believe they also post bunch of free lecture videos.
@jblmochi
@jblmochi 3 жыл бұрын
Quite frankly, to me, there are way too many tournaments online for now, so check the tournament schedule on USBGF backgammon site. Our marketing and promoting is too weak so that we didn't reach you. Sad, but thank you for realization.
@palestinalibre7055
@palestinalibre7055 3 жыл бұрын
@@jblmochi I'm from Mexico and I'm in the same situation than Trainer Red. Here there are amateur torunaments but for me are unafordable (I don't even have a decent board hahaha). Eventhough I play with my gf trying to emulate tournament rules. Is it possible to play tournaments for free with real persons in backgammongalaxy.com/ Thanks for sharing your videos
@rickl.461
@rickl.461 3 жыл бұрын
I play at this site cardgames.io/backgammon/ You get to play against the computer or other people (recommended, because the computer makes some questionable moves). It's no frills but simple and straightforward. The dice rolls feel pretty random. You can give yourself a name, and you'll see some of the same people show up regularly. It's also really easy to set up a match. Most of the people you'll face play quickly enough that you can finish a game in 8-10 minutes. Many of the players there are good, and I've gotten to see, and try out, different styles of play.
@inuksukharata5943
@inuksukharata5943 3 жыл бұрын
There is quite a bit of literature written on backgammon, both physically and online
@mustaqpatel2794
@mustaqpatel2794 4 жыл бұрын
What is this
@TMPOUZI
@TMPOUZI 4 жыл бұрын
half way through: she has bad tactics and he's too damn lucky with the dice. Let's see if this changes
@trumpameri1638
@trumpameri1638 3 жыл бұрын
Completely agree with you.... Women with very bad tactics and boy lucky with dice
@mobiusklein9140
@mobiusklein9140 3 жыл бұрын
@@trumpameri1638 -She played the world's best with a PR of 8.4, you can win tournaments with that PR, give credit where it's due, she played well.
@DavidLindes
@DavidLindes 3 жыл бұрын
@@mobiusklein9140 indeed.
@georgeyannopoulos3714
@georgeyannopoulos3714 3 жыл бұрын
First 10 minutes almost fell asleep.
@lawrencecollins3190
@lawrencecollins3190 3 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@mizanurrahmanshuvo4278
@mizanurrahmanshuvo4278 4 жыл бұрын
What is the game name? And What is the rule?
@bgmochy
@bgmochy 4 жыл бұрын
It is called backgammon. Its a dice game. You roll two dices and move pieces accordingly. The one who bore off all 15 checkers first win the game.
@evanbourgnon4765
@evanbourgnon4765 3 жыл бұрын
Here are the rules : bkgm.com/rules.html
@mohammadsohag3285
@mohammadsohag3285 4 жыл бұрын
what is the name of this game?
@mercylessplayer
@mercylessplayer 3 жыл бұрын
Backgammon
@michaelvandermerwe2203
@michaelvandermerwe2203 3 жыл бұрын
I enjoy the game r tremendously. Always only played for enjoyment. Two things I disagree on here is the backwards and forwards moving of pieces as well as stacking more than five on a line, makes the game easier. Not much of a challenge then
@PeterOzanne
@PeterOzanne 2 жыл бұрын
You disagree with the rule of allowing more than 5 checkers on one point? But that IS the rule in standard backgammon. The 5-limit is not played by many people, and it has disadvantages later in the game, where it can prevent and turnaround by stopping the winning player from exposing a checker in the bear-off. Also, stacking 5 or more on one point is mostly a disadvantage strategically, as any backgammon Grandmaster will tell you! And, believe me, they KNOW the "unknown unknowns" of fun-players ;-)
@DaMaartenvdBerg
@DaMaartenvdBerg 3 жыл бұрын
37:30 why is thinking/waiting soooo long before rolling? He just had to "go" at this point right? Not much strategy left?
@bgmochy
@bgmochy 3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking whether I should redouble to 4 or not.
@DaMaartenvdBerg
@DaMaartenvdBerg 3 жыл бұрын
@@bgmochy ah I see. And why didnt you? This game was close to a guaranteed win wasnt it?
@KarlheinzAgsteiner
@KarlheinzAgsteiner 3 жыл бұрын
@@DaMaartenvdBerg I assume that's because if he re-doubles at 5:0 in a match to 9, he needs to be very sure he'll win because she can re-double to 8 which doesn't make a difference for him, but a huge difference for her, so this is not a normal doubling situation.
@mobiusklein9140
@mobiusklein9140 3 жыл бұрын
@@DaMaartenvdBerg - some position are 'too good to double' ie you have such an advantage that it's best to play on for a gammon. In such positions doubling is an error by giving your opponent the opportunity to pass (get out of jail).
@mohammadsabouri9850
@mohammadsabouri9850 4 жыл бұрын
Here in iran everybody can play like these guys
@bpetersson5024
@bpetersson5024 4 жыл бұрын
I know, I used to go out with a girl from Teheran and her whole family beat me in every single game for a whole year, an they were merciless! the highlight of my backgammon career was when I beat her uncle 5-4 with a single stone at the end..
@bpetersson5024
@bpetersson5024 4 жыл бұрын
yea, even my girlfriend's grandmother
@sundaymonday6847
@sundaymonday6847 4 жыл бұрын
Better and Faster. why does he thinks so much?
@alimasoumy3031
@alimasoumy3031 4 жыл бұрын
@@bpetersson5024 Are you sure your girl friend was Iranian? To bring a boyfriend to a family gathering is extremely rare and is considered very rude to other family members,. I am sure you were declared as the girl's fience to the family,. Otherwise girls father would be the laughing subject of the others.
@user-gc2jx4gj2q
@user-gc2jx4gj2q 4 жыл бұрын
@@alimasoumy3031 Fortunately sometimes it's possible to find Iranian families who are open-minded enough not to take issue with that, especially among those who live outside Iran.
@SayYourName
@SayYourName 3 жыл бұрын
What is this creature they're playing with? 1st time seeing this weird board game..
@jblmochi
@jblmochi 3 жыл бұрын
It is called "backgammon", classical but a very popular game. Google it and try. BackgammonAce is recommended App if it is the first time.
@tasosbull1408
@tasosbull1408 4 жыл бұрын
ο κυρ κωστας στο καφενειο τους παιζει με κλειστα ματια και τους 2
@RoelvanderHoorn
@RoelvanderHoorn 4 жыл бұрын
I didn't like her 5-6 play at 16:55. Why not move the single to safety?
@giannisola_sta_robot6932
@giannisola_sta_robot6932 4 жыл бұрын
Because she wants to threat . And she still back in the race.
@marcosvinbr
@marcosvinbr 4 жыл бұрын
In the second play there was a (remote) chance of a gammon. They should have played ‘til the end, no???
@mikeminno5956
@mikeminno5956 3 жыл бұрын
Do u mean the last play.......she gave up.......Never give up in BG......
@rickl.461
@rickl.461 3 жыл бұрын
If I'm counting correctly, at most he would have won in three moves (even with the lowest roll of 2 and 1), and she needed more than three moves (even if she rolled double sixes) to eliminate the gammon.
@amanuelbeyene3226
@amanuelbeyene3226 3 жыл бұрын
someone tell me what is going on??
@loco2loudhoodrichbctrill265
@loco2loudhoodrichbctrill265 3 жыл бұрын
If I'm her I'm flipping that table over and ripping that notepad up lol😤
@DavidLindes
@DavidLindes 3 жыл бұрын
Haha... the board has his name on it... maybe the dice are his, too, and rigged? :D
@navidpey194
@navidpey194 3 жыл бұрын
How do you roll doubles so often 🤔
@invertedreality4473
@invertedreality4473 3 жыл бұрын
Damn, lots of mistakes. I'd take either one to the cleaners
@trumpameri1638
@trumpameri1638 3 жыл бұрын
Especially game where she was not in advantage and she asked for double hahahaha hahahaha.....
@robertwagner8728
@robertwagner8728 3 жыл бұрын
not bragging but same here, I realize its not the same as playing on my phone but I just beat expert by 129 pips...these guys think about it forever and then do almost the dumbest thing possible...
@trumpameri1638
@trumpameri1638 3 жыл бұрын
@@robertwagner8728 all begemon game i play on my tablet was disaster... in beginning they give you good dice and advantage but later no chance to survive... always gives you bad dice and asking your credit card information hahahaha and of course i erase all this pay to win game ...
@riccardocampoleoni6288
@riccardocampoleoni6288 3 жыл бұрын
@@trumpameri1638 Sorry man, I learned to play backgammon few weeks ago and I don't understand a rule, what is the function on the double? What does it do?
@trumpameri1638
@trumpameri1638 3 жыл бұрын
@@riccardocampoleoni6288 if you are beginner you not need to play with this double points.... in some period of the game if you feel that you have advantage in game you can give me a offer for double if i accept that and you still wins you have 2 points if i see clearly advantage for you and stop the game you receive normal 1 points..... also if i accept your double and later in the game i turning game into my advantage i can ask you for 4x and if you accept and lose you lose 4 points... if you not accept my offer for 4x and stop the game you lose 2 points..... but i personally not using this rule when I'm playing... only 2 points i counting when you not take out of your bord 1 coins...
@lazulaufca2996
@lazulaufca2996 3 жыл бұрын
I want that board so bad
@Funnyguy416
@Funnyguy416 3 жыл бұрын
that board is nothing compared to my ivory set
@lazulaufca2996
@lazulaufca2996 3 жыл бұрын
@@Funnyguy416 lucky you I just have a basic one saving up to get a nicer one
@mobiusklein9140
@mobiusklein9140 3 жыл бұрын
It's yours for around £3000
@sashaprivet1107
@sashaprivet1107 3 жыл бұрын
What's the name of this game ?
@bgmochy
@bgmochy 3 жыл бұрын
Backgammon. It is a great game. Try it ! kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZmmhqWHiKykiqs There must be many free APP out there. I recommend BackgammonAce for a beginner.
@sashaprivet1107
@sashaprivet1107 3 жыл бұрын
@@bgmochy thank you. I'll try.
@jleongc8332
@jleongc8332 3 жыл бұрын
Creí que al terminar cantarían que tontos que locos...
@kiameratinia272
@kiameratinia272 3 жыл бұрын
how did they get to final?! who lost to them OK ,I'm a little too harsh, because my country invented the game they never risk anything, and just hoping for lucky dice if you don't risk at the beginning, you will be forced to make moves, lot worse than the one you hesitated to do
@mclyker
@mclyker 5 жыл бұрын
The table talking from these two was distracting.
@leon.montaraz
@leon.montaraz 3 жыл бұрын
WTF why in 9:34 she moves there? Cannot be 6, no?
@sihadhussein9087
@sihadhussein9087 3 жыл бұрын
Damn i am so mad 😤 he is so fucking lucky and he dont deserve it
@BobBilheimer
@BobBilheimer 2 жыл бұрын
“Deserve’s got nuthin to do with it” -- Bill Munny (Unforgiven, 1992)
@fabz1509
@fabz1509 4 жыл бұрын
Over thinking on rolls with most logical choices . Waste of energy
@jcf20010
@jcf20010 4 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised they guy playing the white checkers didn't lose on time. Too bad we couldn't see how it played out to see if he did or not.
@user-pd9cq7sm8o
@user-pd9cq7sm8o 4 жыл бұрын
@@jcf20010 The guy with the white Checkers is Mochy, voted Nr. 1 of Worlds best Player in 2019. When he thinks about something on the board then because there is something to think about.
@giannisola_sta_robot6932
@giannisola_sta_robot6932 4 жыл бұрын
@@user-pd9cq7sm8o Do you know how many players are better than Mochy in the planet earth?? Hahahha. They are countless. It's the only sport from all the sports that exists better players for sure than the world champions. Because that's the nature of this sport. Think about it and then you respond me
@jagstephens2747
@jagstephens2747 4 жыл бұрын
@@giannisola_sta_robot6932 yeah, but he's ranked and people actually know his name.
@bgmochy
@bgmochy 4 жыл бұрын
@@jcf20010 Hi, no I didn't lose on time. Sorry for the bad angle so that you guys don't see the clock. Also, the next game (until the end) can be seen here. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iF6Vp52fndVkldk
@jacksonibragimovich2944
@jacksonibragimovich2944 6 жыл бұрын
передёргивает японец со сложностью позиции
@Kofferman
@Kofferman 3 жыл бұрын
2020 i still don't get this game 😄what is this XD
@panikkospanteli5891
@panikkospanteli5891 3 жыл бұрын
why they checking after finishing the move? is not a chest game
@PANTAOLAS
@PANTAOLAS 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry, Pros ... Υou have no idea about "Portes" the most simple game of Greek Tavli ... I got you, just for fun!
@VGpeter15
@VGpeter15 4 жыл бұрын
ναι ρε αμα ερθουν ελλαδα ολοι αυτοι θα τρελαθουνε, παίζουν και με ρολόι ρε λες και παίζουν σκάκι :D ενταξ εμεις δεν εχουμε το κυβο για το στοιχημα αλλα αυτο πιστεύω κανει το παιχνίδι ακόμα πιο δίκαιο
@giannisola_sta_robot6932
@giannisola_sta_robot6932 4 жыл бұрын
@@Aannonymousss Βackgammon of course it isn GREEK inventory,but SEX my friend is. You should be very grateful that the ancient Greeks taught the world how to fuck, because you were born. Agree with that or you want more explanations???
@mrmoth26
@mrmoth26 3 жыл бұрын
@@giannisola_sta_robot6932 Sex isn't a Greek invention, it is naturally present in all sexually reproducing creatures. Even cavemen had sex.
@AlexandruBurda
@AlexandruBurda 2 жыл бұрын
They are not playing portes but backgammon which is not actually the same. Played like they are playing (with the doubling cube included) and they would beat most of the park alley champions. 😉
@ceferistul05
@ceferistul05 2 жыл бұрын
this is popular in romania. i played against many ppl at barbecues who are on the same level with these guys. with backgammon everybody reaches the same level at some point, after that it's only the luck of the dice that makes the difference
@AlexandruBurda
@AlexandruBurda 2 жыл бұрын
Ce se joacă la noi între amici și bătrâni prin parcuri este mult sub ce se joacă la aceste turnee și are o mare doză de șmechereală și trișare (cei mai abili față de cei începători). În plus mulți dintre amatorii din parcuri nu știu să folosească cubul de dublare. Datorită lui backgammon este practic alt joc decât tablele obișnuite din parc sau de la un grătar. 🙂 Fără să fiu un mare expert, am bătut pe unii care se dădeau rotunzi pe baza experienței din parc, numai aplicând puțin tacticile acestor jucători de top. Este o chestiune de cum vezi și înțelegi jocul. 😏
@nima673
@nima673 4 жыл бұрын
ناشيهاي ته سه لي!
@giotskhvaradze2797
@giotskhvaradze2797 3 жыл бұрын
shig xoargaqvt es raaris :D amashi fuls uxdian? :D
@abracadabrais
@abracadabrais 7 жыл бұрын
Love to see women playing the greatest game!
@MrTsetso
@MrTsetso 4 жыл бұрын
They rarely do it well :)
@abracadabrais
@abracadabrais 4 жыл бұрын
@@MrTsetso Maybe because they rarely play backgammon or so many things, so it is merely a matter of ratios. But you being a "mr." would not have so much awareness of that. It is after all by and large, a man's world. Women are invisible in areas where male power dominates...like everywhere and everything. It is what it is. Here back in 2014 was a great match Mochy played against Karen Davis. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nn3EmJ2ZbLhnobc She gives him a run for his money & then some. 😉
@bgmochy
@bgmochy 4 жыл бұрын
@@MrTsetso There is a woman called Akiko Yazawa and she won the world championship twice.
@giannisola_sta_robot6932
@giannisola_sta_robot6932 4 жыл бұрын
@@bgmochy imagine the skills of the others. Hahahhahahhaha
@giannisola_sta_robot6932
@giannisola_sta_robot6932 4 жыл бұрын
Yes. She play the greatest game with the worst method. The method of turtle. Slow slow slow. Re oust ston diaolo apo dw
@radiozer0
@radiozer0 3 жыл бұрын
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