MOD GUIDE: Dart Zone Pro Mk-III

[@outofdarts]

As always, we are continuing to look for ways to improve our tutorials. Let us know what you'd like to see us do better!

[@reidhaynes2]

Can you do a mod guide on the charger

[@davedoesthingsdreaded]

My question is why mod an already modded blaster? It seems pointless. If people want to mod a flywheeler mod something that actually needs to be modded. Mod a stryfe or rapidstrike

[@outofdarts]

@dave does things We found that there were enough things to be improved upon in a stock Mk-3 that it deserves its own mod guide.

[@outofdarts]

@@reidhaynes2 the Rival charger is on our list, but we may not get to it immediately.

[@mattcook6868]

What is the rate of fire on honey badgers? Can the reinforced piece handle that?

[@05weasel]

Just got the blaster on sale online at target for $65. Might use the money I saved to mod it up. Loving the spectrum I modded with your kit Update: just bought the mod kit. Summer cookouts are going to be brutal.

[@juusstis3664]

I really like the idea of swappable cages for this. I really want to try that someday

[@ninjasack9134]

I like how there's still one person doing mod guides. Really good mod guides too! I feel a lack of creativity going through the nerf KZbin search, as I only see blaster reviews of Hasbro, dartzone, and some 3dprinted blasters. It's so easy to get a blaster that's already hitting 200 fps that you don't need to make the blaster do that, just buy one. I hope more get around to doing mod guides

[@outofdarts]

We're continuing our goal of at least one mod guide a month, so I hope you'll stick around to see them!

[@charliemaybe]

i feel like any blaster doing 200+ fps out of the gate is going to cost an arm and a leg as well as a ton of time either building and/ or tuning it.

[@SpyderGiant]

I bought that motor board and that made motor wiring infinitely easier. Can’t recommend that one enough

[@andyfoammaster2286]

Very useful mod guide. Also I purchased and installed the flywheel cage kit and the upgraded pusher motor, also bought all 3d printed accessories. Everything looks and works amazing. Very happy with the performance and looks.

[@sepiarain]

Loved this. Just thoroughly enjoy the satisfaction and ingenuity. Drac's wet eyes at the end of his mod guide was genuinely distressing hahaha.

[@outofdarts]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@ZakLeek]

You have turned the MK3 into a monster of a blaster, it works so well! I don't think I will get a MK3 as it isn't available in the UK, but you have certainly inspired me to do a crazy rapidstrike mod, I'm trying to design a 5-switch setup that will allow for select fire without any computer. Thanks so much for the video! 💚💙

[@DJReRun]

Thanks Luke and Perry. Kit's on the way. Can't wait to install it. 😁

[@calebhenderson3837]

I'd really love to see a video on all your mod parts, like you did for the nexus. But this was definitely really helpful! Organized as always.

[@humanbeing9086]

Very pleased with the cage vs fps values. It is disappointing that no one has really developed an overall better cage, since the Daybreak setup is more of a boost to full lengths than anything. After seeing how DZ did the MK3, makes me wanna rethink my current build a bit.

[@mbk337]

Awesome. I was hoping you were going to show off all your product offerings you had for the Mk-III, but this is great either way

[@outofdarts]

We'll go over them here in the future, but I'm uploading videos about them over on the second channel right now! Stay tuned.

[@tunabodrumlu9745]

Thank you for this guide, I can't wait to try it!

[@paulmcewen7384]

my mod kit just arrived today from ood. Now I think I need to do that pusher motor too! hahah. Thank goodness for out of darts, so cool.

[@scottbionicnerf8727]

I'm conflicted on this blaster. 1st of all, I love the look of the Blaster, and they can be truly wicked when painted and detailed. Then come the 'buts'... For the customer who didn't want to mod the blaster, but wanted to purchase what amounts to a mildly modded Rapidstrike-Style blaster that was touted as being able accept long and short darts, and was supposed to accept Talon mags. After all, not everyone has a stack Dart-Zone half dart mags. For the money it's not more accurate than other flywheel blasters. All that being said, I don't dislike the blaster. I'd likely still buy it, accepting that I also be purchasing the kit you or y'all have gone to so much trouble and research'n to put together for us. Thanks for all y'all do. Can't wait to order my OOD Proton-Packs.!

[@firetroop2775]

Cool I still have to buy a 3s but I got the new flywheel cage installed I tested it on double A's and it works like a charm... It's something completely new because I've never done an actual electronic mod

[@scottbionicnerf8727]

Once you get this blaster separated, it reminds me of a minimized Rapidstrike.

[@Chaser617]

Makes me wonder if DZP tested on worn/older talon magazines or if ther ewas some sort of difference between production magazines and what they had avaiable.

[@bhizzle64]

Heads up for this guide. Watching the pusher motor upgrade section is not optional. Those PTCs will cause issues for the build even if you don't want to upgrade the pusher motor. Don't be like me and skip this section and then be very confused when your mk 3 revs down after a few seconds.

[@outofdarts]

We appreciate the heads up! We didn't have any issues running the flywheels without bypassing the PTCs on the pusher assembly, but I'll be sure to add that as a correction in the description.

[@BeefIngot]

@ <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1596">26:36</a> I find it funny that it's probably perry thanking himself.

[@outofdarts]

Lol. While I do most of the editing, I send it to Luke for feedback before we upload. He told me to add that in (among other titles and tweaks). - Perry

[@genedocsinnovations8319]

Great guide Luke - what was the improvement in full auto rounds per second-wise at the end ?- clearly sounded worth every minute spent upgrading!

[@outofdarts]

We've seen up to 17 darts per second with the Kraken pusher upgrade.

[@genedocsinnovations8319]

@@outofdarts Awesome sauce!

[@benlosi]

Nice. Makes me wonder though how long the gearbox is going to last on that rate of fire in full auto. I didn't really plan on using the MK3 in full auto much anyway so I think I'll pass on this mod. Magazine-fed blasters I like to stick with semi-auto cuz I prefer accuracy over capacity. Full auto is the persis for me still my favorite to just grab a handful of rival balls and put them in the extended Hopper.

[@brianlee5033]

I have tried making the cut for Talon mags, tried the mag adapter insert, changed the spacing of the retention spring for the pusher, tried the 3d printed pusher, and adjusted the springs in my mags (tried talons of different sizes and Tachi). I still get I jam on full auto after the first dart. The pusher just isn't returning all the way back and it jams. If there are only about 4 darts or less in a mag it will not jam. I Increased the retention spring on the pusher greatly, and in a test I got a full mag dump for the first time while the blaster was open and on its side. However, when I closed it all up, and tried to fire the motors were weak and then no power. Did I stall my pusher motor and burn my switches? After about 80 hours of work and over 200 bucks I am kinda done with the MK3. I should have just modded up another spectrum, but I was really excited to use those Tachi Mags... and short darts on full auto. Seems like very few people have my issue and just silly super easy fixes....... Fyi I am running Krakens for all my motors.

[@outofdarts]

Email us and we might be able to diagnose the problem! [e-mail]

[@TSN_SUPERBOLT]

What would happen to my dart zone mk3 if I just removed the muzzle and didn’t replace it? Would it decrease the performance? Would it decrease the accuracy?

[@outofdarts]

The muzzle is almost completely decorative. The only other thing it does is protect your motors and flywheels from the elements.

[@ConeyDawg]

I don't know why, but upgrading the motor for the pusher for me keeps resulting in pusher runaway. Idk if it's an issue with the return switch or the gearbox but I've had this issue with 2 MK3s. *Edit: Higher torque motors won't have this issue (I.E. Krakens/FangRVs/etc) The motor that caused the runaway was a Valkryie.*

[@DeadlyWolfie]

I have the same problem with mine!

[@ConeyDawg]

@@DeadlyWolfie See my edited comment, I fixed it.

[@outofdarts]

Good to know! We'll have to do some more testing to publish our reccomendations.

[@Mikrowave4]

Hi, I saw on another video that you recommended the low rate of fire tachi mags for this blaster - is this still the case after installing this kit and raising the rof, or would it be wiser to buy the high rof mags? Thanks!

[@outofdarts]

We would still recommend the low ROF Tachi for the DZP Mk-III. The high ROF Tachi is really only recommended for: • 25+ darts/sec builds • People wanting to use the Mag Extender • People who want to tune their mag spring to match their blaster's ROF (we have a video tutorial on tuning Tachis on our second channel)

[@Mikrowave4]

@@outofdarts thanks for the response, I’m gonna buy this kit and the mags today

[@frosttgasian1168]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="846">14:06</a> I think you put the pusher motor retention piece on backwards.

[@outofdarts]

That was intentional so It would be slightly easier to solder.

[@jamesstephenson8539]

You put that yellow plastic piece on the back of the pusher motor on backwards. That's why it fit wrong.

[@marcobaumann9668]

Hey I have a question. What does the size of a flywheelcage means? Is it the size of the Flywheels you Shout put in? Thanks Form the Help!

[@outofdarts]

It refers to the crush or how close together the flywheels are. Most cages only take one size flywheel, it's only the crush that changes.

[@moshimoshi7785]

On my MK3, i've tried all the mentioned fixes, but the blaster still does not feed properly. The last thing I need to try is a new pusher/motor but I am skeptical that it will work. Any ideas?

[@outofdarts]

In what way does it not feed properly? Shoot us an email with pictures and we might be able to help you figure out what's going on: [e-mail]

[@moshimoshi7785]

@@outofdarts I'll do just that. I actually picked up an order from you guys recently as well!

[@brianlee5033]

I have tried every fix and nothing works. Finally printed the new pusher, but that failed also... I put in a way beefier retention spring and it worked for one mag. However, I must have stalled my pusher motor (kraken) and burned out my switches. I have spent well over 200 bucks and at least 80 hours trying to get this POS to not jam. Good luck. Seems everyone else has no trouble...

[@moshimoshi7785]

@@brianlee5033 I feel you. I've tried the mag fix, the pusher fix, the cuts and nothing else. I got a replacement spring from DartZone and it has not fixed the issue. Just about to write off my MK3 as dead. I am either going to reach out to someone with a makerspace to see if they can save it. Or its relegated to semi-auto only.

[@brianlee5033]

@@moshimoshi7785 I am going to cover mine with foam and use it as a club!

[@paulmcewen7384]

negative goes to red dot? positive to black dot? am I missing something here?

[@outofdarts]

I assume you're talking about the motor orientation compared to the wiring. The motors are marked so that if wired as labeled they will turn clockwise. Since we needed the motor to turn counter-clockwise, we just oriented the motor backwards from how it's labeled.

[@paulmcewen7384]

@@outofdarts Ah yes of course, thanks for the clarification.

[@joebo9378]

I have this battery. Graphene 2s 950mAh 65c LiPo pack (XT-60) OOD Exclusive. Is it powerful enough for the 3 motors in the DZP MKlll or will it puff the battery? I know 3s is better but for the time being, all I have is this 2s

[@outofdarts]

The Mk-3 will work with a 2S battery just fine. The FPS will be lower, but it will work fine.

[@joebo9378]

@@outofdarts Thank you.

[@chasedeming1076]

So I got a mk 3 and after a little bit pf use the rev trigger only revs up the flywheels some times. What I mean by that is that sometimes when I press the rev trigger it doesn’t do anything. Just wondering if you have a fix for it or if it’s just like a a bad button or anything.

[@outofdarts]

Sometimes we've had this problem where the firing trigger is bunching up against a part of the rev trigger. Open it up and make sure everything moves freely. If you still have a problem, email us with pictures and we'd be happy to help further: [e-mail]

[@chasedeming1076]

@@outofdarts I actually did some problem stating and the problem was that the button that the rev switch presses slightly moved when I pressed it so by taping it down it fixed it

[@taylorrichter1320]

Might just throw a kraken and upgraded pusher arm in mine then

[@JP-JustSayin]

What happens with the kraken pusher on AA's? Does going to the kraken pusher make your blaster "lipo only"?

[@outofdarts]

Not necessarily. You might burn through alkalines faster with the Kraken pusher, but at 12 volts nominal with 8 AAs, it should still function about as well as a (12.6 volt) 3S LiPo. If you're avoiding LiPos for safety reasons though, you should consider IMRs. They'll last longer at sustained current, and don't require as many precautions as LiPos do.

[@firetroop2775]

Question I'm planning just to do a rate of fire mod But is there any other parts I need other than just a kraken My printer is currently clogged but i can probably get it fixed So if there's printed parts I can print myself I can do that

[@outofdarts]

You shouldn't need anything else.

[@Terminatorbart]

Yes!

[@mportillo78]

Is this blaster still viable these days? After watching a bunch of reviews it seems the ROF is pretty bad and really needs to be modded?

[@outofdarts]

It depends. If you want a super-stock short dart blaster that can fit a ton of mod parts and takes XT-60 LiPos out of the box -- even if it means you may need to mod it to shoot full-auto at a higher RoF, then the DZP Mk-3 is for you. However, if you think you don't need the full-auto, and are willing to work with the proprietary LiPo connector, the Nerf Pro Stryfe X is probably a better option.

[@stevenpeven258]

Any updates on magazines gripping the pusher arm slide too tightly? As I’d rather keep the chopping of my blaster to a minimum

[@darkwhite1259]

how is accuracy on the daybreak cages? I want to print a 39.5 cage with some 44k rpm motors. Should I use a metal barrel to increase accuracy?

[@TheN3crons]

Hey Luke. I live in Australia and would really like the anti jam adapter piece that is going for about 3 dollars. Unfortunately to get this shipped to me, it will be 60 dollars. Is there any other way to source this simple piece?

[@UwwBlake]

Could you do the pusher motor upgrade without upgrading the cage? Would really only like to increase the full-auto fire rate but leave FPS stock.

[@outofdarts]

Yes, you can. You would probably still want to bypass your PTCs on the pusher board, but you can upgrade that without the cage upgrade.

[@UwwBlake]

@@outofdarts Thanks so much for the reply! And yes, that’s a good idea. Also, great tutorial, I learned a lot. This will by my first mod so I’m really excited. I plan on upgrading the pusher motor and then doing the cage at a later date. I really like the ability to have them modular via XT60. Thanks for making the parts available! Will also pick up the low profile CQB muzzle you designed!

[@andrewsmith2064]

@@outofdarts ok expanding on this. I’d like to mod one with a high rof but sitting at ~120 FPS to be viable for hvz. On 3s it sounds like even stock fly motors would run too hot. What set up would you recommend to try and achieve this?

[@outofdarts]

@@andrewsmith2064 Assuming you are running it with short darts… Either run it at 2s with stock or similar crush Flywheels, or run it on a 3s and use our 42mm cage (~111 FPS). That being said, HvZ spec is a very popular range of FPS. I'll talk with Luke to see if a 41.5 mm cage is worth designing for that purpose. - Perry

[@GoofyAhhMods]

Mine keeps shooting even after I release the firing trigger it is a full auto runaway do you know how to fix this

[@jpcarsmedia]

Need more Tachi mags! 👀

[@outofdarts]

They're on their way to us now!

[@juggzlauer3556]

im not sure why.... but after i installed this mod kit, followed the instructions to the T, and made sure to do the nickel test for alignment, my accuracy has drastically declined. The stock gun was more accurate. Can someone help me?

[@bmkrecordstaz]

I replaced the pusher motor with a Valkyrie 130 3s motor but I haven't replaced the flywheel motors yet because I procrastinate, and for some reason the pusher keeps going (albeit slower than normal) after I take my finger off the trigger in full auto. Is this because of the stock flywheels or just a side effect of having such a high ROF?

[@GruelingFive8]

Way late response but have seen people note higher torque pusher motors solve this. So kraken instead of valkyrie for example

[@jaysondomingo1583]

What is the max dimension of a lipo battery that tou can fit without the extended battery cover.

[@adriansue8955]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="793">13:13</a> Motor Cover Tricky Fit You should design a 3d printed replacement cover strap, that fits Krakens/etc better

[@outofdarts]

Already working on it!

[@callmeent4789]

@@outofdarts actually you just put it on backwards

[@kavehcompanieh7379]

Can you do a mod guide on the modulus ECS-10?

[@seraphimcaduto]

I couldn’t figure out why people were complaining about battery fit and I realized I was using the same turnigy nano-tech battery…talk about dumb luck.

[@timothyong977]

May I know the stock motor rating and the new upgrade motor rating?

[@benjamincarter6095]

@ <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="810">13:30</a> is the motor cover on backwards?

[@outofdarts]

Yes. It was purposeful, as at least in our initial testing the motor was looser and harder to solder to with the cover on "the right way."

[@benjamincarter6095]

@@outofdarts Thanks! Great video and kit.

[@jackrogers6792]

Hi! Question, is it possible to send my blaster to you guys and have the mods done to it?

[@Godsire69]

Does it make since to change wheels and a cage if not upgrading the motors.

[@outofdarts]

It really depends. I find it much easier to start with a clean pair of motors if I'm changing cage and wheels, but you certainly could take apart the stock cage and use the motors separately.

[@Godsire69]

I've just never done any type of welding soldering etc.

[@outofdarts]

@@Godsire69 We're planning a modding basics tutorial series, which will cover soldering and all the beginning hobbyist will need. Stay tuned, and we can help!

[@pierce6814]

For assembling the flywheel can we have it in cad

[@DeadlyWolfie]

Is there any way to fix runaway when installing new pusher motors? When I leave the rev trigger activated after firing the pusher still operates but at a slower ROF

[@GruelingFive8]

Way late response but have seen people note higher torque pusher motors solve this. So kraken instead of Valkyrie for example

[@viciousviolet3783]

So should I buy this or the new Worker phoenix 2.0?

[@outofdarts]

Depends. Are you invested in standard or angled Talon Mags? To each their own, but without the mag-in-grip design, the Mk-3 should be much more comfortable and versatile. However, we don't have our hands on the Phoenix 2.0 yet. We could still be impressed.

[@brianlee5033]

Neither, mod up a Stryfe or Spectrum.

[@malcomlenugent3787]

hey you think you can make a sniper but its full auto

[@billyjli]

Does it come with the xt60 connector?

[@outofdarts]

The blaster already comes with an XT-60 behind the AA battery tray. If you want a modular cage setup like we featured in the video you do need to purchase XT-60 connectors -- or purchase our complete mod kit, which includes everything you need.

[@billyjli]

Thank you and can you suggest a 3-d printed nerf gun over 170fps I’m a kid I’m 9 and just started to mod

[@billyjli]

And I might pick up one of these

[@billyjli]

Can I put a 3s 45c LiPo without changing the flywheels or other electric components?

[@Rancid_Ninja]

Can you upload your file for the fix on the mag adapter? Don't wanna order $0.03 cents of filament

[@hshotto]

Will you mod one for me!!?!

[@DBZSeanzie]

Will this battery work in the spectrum?

[@outofdarts]

Which battery?

[@DBZSeanzie]

@@outofdarts the Turnigy 1.5, 3 cell

[@outofdarts]

I don't know for sure. I'll have to check next time I'm in the studio with my Spectrum. Certainly, if you mod the Spectrum for 3S you could use a battery of that size, but I don't know if you would need an extended battery door to fit it... So many designs to catch up on!

[@noahsane870]

Cool

[@RobotoGato1]

Be careful with that third kraken motor...turned mine of full auto and destroyed my gear box!

[@drakinosis4019]

Please do dart zone mk4

[@aedriczhang3559]

I don’t have helping hands, I literally use a piece of rock 💀

[@Godsire69]

This blaster needs a drum mag

[@fred_8981]

Hello

[@nerfnerdrev6]

Hi there Nice chicken

[@fred_8981]

@@nerfnerdrev6 thanks

[@nerfnerdrev6]

Imagine buying a $130 blaster and on top of that getting new flywheel setup. Lmfao.

[@outofdarts]

Imagine this being someone's first blaster, and it inspires them to join the hobby and to later try modding for themselves.

[@nerfnerdrev6]

@@outofdarts its a bad deal. Terrible, even. If they’re already modding a Mk3 like this video, they might as well get the grandads of modded flywheelers: stryfe and rapidstrike. Imagining this blaster as a good deal makes me sick. Heck, I teached friends how to mod their flywheelers and even they weren’t impressed by the Mk3.

[@mbk337]

Thanks for the closed-minded take. The blaster itself is very well made and performs well in it's stock form. It is also a platform that allows for growth in terms of modification. I see it as a blaster for those who have the means of paying for a premium stock blaster without requiring them to mod, but also allowing them to in the future, if that bug bites them.

[@nerfnerdrev6]

@@mbk337 how is it closed minded? Adventure force is releasing the same blasters but with less frills for $50 but the performance is the same. The Mk1.1 at $120 sale price is insanely good. You can barely build a blaster with that performance and be durable. What is the Mk3 doing that this awesome modding community haven’t done for amazing prices?

[@mbk337]

@@nerfnerdrev6 This is, like the MK 1.1 prior, is making it available on store shelves right now, with no modding required, and at a performance level.