FMS F-86 Sabre 80mm EDF Jet PNP - Model AV8R Review

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

*****IMPORTANT***** Hello Folks. I made a mistake and forgot to include the flap setting info on the set-up info page, so here it is - Takeoff flaps - 10mm down, no elevator compensation Landing Flaps- 25mm down, 7% up elevator compensation

[@tughillrc6327]

Great review Adam, I would want to do grass ops and the advice on the front landing gear door was good. As far as owning up to your low voltage cut off mistake, you shouldn't be embarrassed. It just proves your human. I enjoyed watching.

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thanks Tug! Yeah man it has been years since I ran one into LVC. I just got caught up focusing on something else.

[@CraigEmmons]

First off, really nice wheelie!!! No need to be embarrased Adam just makes you human and you certainly made up for it with the video that followed! The main reason for this message is to thank you for adding the name of the aircraft on the setup page. You really do listen and respond to your viewers!!! Thank You so very much for another great video!👍🥰

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thanks Craig! We appreciate you tuning in. Thanks for that suggestion.

[@crosswindjones]

This is one of the best setup videos for any RC plane ever. I appreciate the detailed walkthrough, part by part, really excellent!

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thanks very much!

[@davidsnyder238]

As I watched this and listened through the flights I came to several conclusions that I heard you confirm at least one of. This is a beautiful model, probably one of if not the best F86 out there right now. The other is it sounds incredible I utterly said to myself how real it sounded and then you did. As always you did a terrific job and as far as the oops, We all make mistakes. Fortunately it ended it ok. Happy New year my friend!

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thank you David! Yes sir this one looks and sounds the part. Truly the best foam F-86 out there that I know of. Brother that really did embarrass me, its been years since I put one in LVC. Just shows how distracted you can get "getting the shot". Lol. Have a great 2024!

[@garygullikson6349]

Reversing speed control looks like a good idea for braking. RIP Bob Hoover . He and I worked for NAA, my job was not as heroic.

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Wow Gary that is very cool! Bob was the man. Not a better stick and rudder guy that I know of than Bob.

[@SuperMagnum2011]

Excellent review.Thanks again. 🇬🇧

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thanks very much!

[@JeffinLowerAlabama]

Great review and flying Adam, like the air brakes, have a great New Year Heidi and Adam, wait Piper too. zoom zoom zoom Jeff in LA USA

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thank you Jeff! You, the Mrs, and Tuco have a great 2024 as well!

[@tonydarst8211]

Excelllent review, setup tips, and flying, Adam. Happy New Year; looking forward to 2024 reviews!

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thank you Tony! Happy New Year my friend!

[@mikessi]

Excellent Team AV8R! Glad the LVC did minimal damage. Keep 'em coming.

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thanks Mike!

[@jayaustin3096]

That's got to be the best sounding edf jet I've heard. Very cool. Thanks

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thanks Jay, it's pretty sweet!

[@IansRCExploits]

What a fantastic looking scale EDF Jet from Fms, it's got to be o e of the nicest foam Jets I've ever seen!! Great review and flying and filming 😀👍

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thanks Ian! It is awesome.

[@CliffHarveyRCPlanes]

Now that is one very smart bit of kit, I just love the old style jets, thorough review Adam, cheers

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thanks Cliff! I'm with you. The early Korean/Vietnam era jets are my favorites as well.

[@purcellrcaviationchannel]

One beautiful scale model! Astonishing level of detail behind the air brakes and in the cockpit. And that *sound* 😲 Very cool review, Adam. Very cool...

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thank you Miss Gina! She does sound awesome...

[@jonoedwards4195]

Groovy Mate! FMS holding Our Wallets. Unreal Adam.

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Hey Jono! Thanks man!

[@EDF_FANatic]

Beautiful landing, it keeps wanting to roll for days, wish it had reverse thrust. Ive found pushing full down elevator after touchdown helps to slow it down more. Tried full up elevator the first time and it wanted to go up again. It has a surprisingly good glide slope and very slippery.

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thanks. From what you're describing you are coming in too hot. After touchdown if it still wants to fly you're going too fast. Stall it on to the mains. Notice after our second landing it slowed right down and didn't roll very far. It is just a matter of getting the nose up earlier, getting it slower, and touchdown speed. On our first I was too hot and wasted runway.

[@Bill14886]

Beautiful demo Adam. I truly enjoyed you flights and the truthfulness that yes we all still Fk up once in a while. I clipped the telephone pole wire the other day. So my favorite little 64mm Banshee is getting a new paint job next year and a new one is on it way.

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thanks Bill! Yeah stuff happens man. Thankfully we ain't in them! lol

[@alwaysflying6540]

I would be interested in this jet. It moves along pretty good too!

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Hey man! It is a really great jet. I'm loving the new trend of putting this many features/details on a 80mm. There's a few out there now and they are all great so far. I wish the battery bay was a tad bigger. I have 10 HRB 6000's I'd like to be using in it, but there is no way I can shoe horn them in there. 4 min is good though for a scale EDF I guess.

[@alwaysflying6540]

@ModelAV8RChannel i really like the way it lands and how you kept the nose high. It looked really slick. How does the jet point roll? Does it get weird on knife edge? Can you get in the fuselage with a hot knife cutter and take foam out to get bigger packs in it?

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

I love the wheelie action too! It point rolls well, but I didn't even try a pure knife edge. I'll have to give that a go. There is not really any room to take foam away from the hatch. All the scale bits are just above it, not much foam between. The Spektrums are compact, and I hear the bigger SMC's and Gens Ace are too. I gotta try some. I'd like to find a small 5500 and try that. Width isn't the issue, its height, and the screw heads for the pilot are right there even with the foam on the bottom of the hatch. I could probably eek out 4 1/2 minutes with the 5000, but I'd have to really be paying attention to throttle management.

[@alwaysflying6540]

@ModelAV8RChannel ah gotcha. I have a better understanding of the battery placement now. Both 80mm that I'm flying at the moment are also limited by battery size. My flights are 3.5 minute's stretched to 4 minutes if absolutely necessary. Is it too much to ask for a 7 minute flights, lol

[@russcoaus2043]

Great stuff.👍

[@Hype_RC]

Thanks Adam for another great review and perspective! It’s been fun watching your KZbin journey. If I didn’t know better I’d thought you shrunk down and climbed into the F-86. You wore it well. Great tip about the air brakes wish they’d included that in the directions. Definitely would’ve saved many of us the time and money to replace our brand new planes slow or burnt out brake servos. But, I guess that’s why we have great reviewers like you to help us out. Thanks again and keep up the strong work! Happy Holidays

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thanks so much for the kind words! Great airplane. Yep that is an old trick that is also useful when powering up airplane with mechanical retracts. Those can be in a bind and smoke a servo quickly too. Have a great 2024 and thanks for supporting us!

[@rlbutterfield]

Nice flying. Loved the slow roll! 👍🏻🙂

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thank you Randy!

[@hechtspeed]

Killer review! What a gorgeous arf! Loved every minute. And tgat landing...oooof. butter

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Bro you need one! So good, and I'm sure you'd make it even better.

[@hechtspeed]

@@ModelAV8RChannel maybe one day. I need to finish my jhh sabre

[@trevorfurlotte]

New Brunswick was home to a squadron of Sabres called the Golden Hawks. Be cool to buy one and paint it in their colors.

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

That is cool Trevor. Great flying jet.

[@JeffsCustomRC]

Great job as always Adam!! Thanks for all the work you out in these reviews 👊🏼👊🏼

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thank you brother Jeff! I hope 2024 is great for JCRC!

[@SteffenRC]

Such a wonderful plane.. As always, Model AV8R produced one of the best REVIEWs of this plane. So much information that will help a potential owner or an existing owner get the most out of this plane. Bummer about the LVC.. You know there is that cool cable that goes from your battery lead to the RX "VOLT" plug that gives real time telemetry on a non Avian ESC... Just saying.. 🤣

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thanks Will. Lol, yes, but you have to remember to push that magic button and see where it's at. I was so interested in helping Heidi get the shot she wanted I probably would have missed that too. Sad part is we decided to shoot the flight over at a better venue the next day anyway...lol

[@SteffenRC]

@@ModelAV8RChannel Oh, Silly Rabbit, you can set ALARMs too.. . That said, I recently had a LVC on my Cirrus while screwing around.. Sometimes it doesn't matter how many safe-guards you put in place.. We all have a way of screwing up.. Just as my Dad about me...

[@TobiasTheAviator]

Woderful flight as always. And Great shooting from Heidi. Before i saw this video i was not that interrested in jets, but now.... That sound from a EDF! Wow, Have a Great New year, greetings from sweden.

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thank you Tobias! The EDF's are addictive! Lol. Have a great 2024.

[@ironmover5800]

Great job as always , I love the look of the F-86 , hope to have one in my hanger at some point

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thanks man! You'll enjoy it...

[@DronemanJoeRc]

Great vid love this bird and you did a excellent job on it. I have a few vids up myself of this bird. I found you channel on SteffenRc and glad I did and gave you a sub and like and look fwd to watching more. Thanks again and Im Joe.👍👍👍👍👍

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Hey Joe. Welcome man. Love this F-86. Such a great flyer and from my favorite era of jets.

[@vrosi1963]

this f-86 looks very scale and gret flyer.I need 5 min to be happy , the 64mm e-flight A10 with a 5000 gets 5 min with management , a larger lipo would be the priority

[@tonydeaton1967]

This is a difficult hobby. The next hundred pilots will try to make ''the impossible turn'', and lose the airplane. Kudos for going straight in and ultimately saving the model.

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Yep. I teach students not to fixate on where they want to go, but accept where they actually can go. Hitting the junk straight and level is better than hitting the runway in a spin...

[@KP-RCreviews]

"It didn't feel nose heavy at all to me..." Agree :)

[@jcb6713]

great flight and look at this beautiful 86 ! have a Happy New Year 👍👍

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thanks man! Have a great 2024!

[@SlowFlyer85]

Adam great flying and info you know somewhere down the line it is on my bucket list, I want to master my other edf first Luv the look and style of edf great video you and Heidi have a Happy New Years 🧨🎇🎆🧨😆👍👍

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thank Frank! Lol, I know man...you love em' all just like me!

[@SlowFlyer85]

So true I signing my self up to Rc plane help group lol 🤣☺@@ModelAV8RChannel

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

"My name is Frank, and I'm an addict". Lol

[@SlowFlyer85]

lol you got my number lol🤣@@ModelAV8RChannel

[@CR5rc]

Great flying Adam, looks like a really smooth jet 😁

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thanks man! She's nice. Real nice.

[@Bellairvideo]

A-mazing jet Adam . The detail is so good (especially inside the air brakes) well spotted with steering servo. A bit too big for the beach i think but it could be the template for improving many future 64mm ones. Great flying mate & Heidi captured the action so well.👍👍👍

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thank you Noel! Wonderful jet...she looks so realistic grooving through the air.

[@payitfwdrcl6171]

Adam. Really cool model from FMS. The scale details they are putting out now is just fantastic. LVC is the result of "pegging out the fun meter". HAHA. Glad no real harm was done. Your self discipline & piloting skills is really what saved the day. Hope you and Heidi have a Happy New Year ! Take care, Brad.

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thanks brother Brad! Fantastic scale jet, and yep...I pegged out that fun meter! Lol. Have a great 2024! Hope to see you at Perry!

[@payitfwdrcl6171]

@@ModelAV8RChannel ❤️. Yes. Plan on it. I’m hoping to have a new friend at the flying field to make the trip to Perry as well. 👍😉

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Great...pay the hobby forward as you say!

[@JDDupuy]

Very good review. I have the same version. Thanks

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thanks for watching!

[@Airsally]

Adam really nice review. I dont understand why they didn't use a sequencer that cycles that nose door shut ala the full scale. Really like how it rides the mains on landing. I really want one of these. Great job on the vid.

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thanks very much. Is this Rodger, Brent's dad? It is a great flyer for sure. I'm not sure why they didn't use a sequencer. It would definitely make a big difference is scale fidelity and probably make it more grass strip friendly. It's FMS, so a V2 will happen at some point. Hopefully that is a change they make.

[@ronforister8374]

Great vid, if they dont do a MIG15 it will be a tragedy... Any comparison video in future on the motion RC and FMS F-86s?

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

I'd love to see a 80mm scaled out MiG-15. Not sure on the comparison. Having flown both I can tell you they both fly very well. The lines on the FMS and a few features make it the more scale option.

[@Big-Hass]

Great video Adam! Two questions: What is your Flaps settings on NX20? Also does the setup require Flaps to Elevator compensation? If it does by what percentage (up or down elevator)? Thanks for your help.

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thanks man! Dangit! I totally forgot to include that on the set-up info page! I'll pin a comment to the top with it. Thank you for pointing that out. Here's my settings - Takeoff Flaps: 10mm down, no elevator compensation Landing Flaps: 25mm down, 7% up elevator compensation

[@scottmccluskey8055]

Great build info and review. Disappointed to hear that a HRB 5000 doesn't fit. Would it fit with some foam cut out or is it more than just a little?

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thanks Scott. You can force the hatch shut, but there is a noticeable gap. The way the bottom of the hatch is made the lowest part is the screws that hold the pilot in the cockpit, and that is what gets ya.

[@scottmccluskey8055]

Ok thanks for the info. Maybe they could come out and be replaced with countersink screws or glue and pins or something?

[@MB-ik8oj]

Would it be possible to add the as3x info programmed into the receiver? I fly in a very windy area. As always an excellent review.

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

AS3X settings are on the set-up info page in the review.

[@notoo7]

Excellent video, thanks for including settings. Especially appreciate the hints and tips without spending an hour. 🫡

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thanks very much! Glad it was helpful.

[@dalezesiger9873]

Hi Adam. I have been waiting for your review on this model. As usual, awesome job. Mine is on the way. I have heard of lots of folks stripping the speed brake servos. I am still confused on the travel limit you pointed out. I plan to use a three position switch on my NX10. Can the brakes be set up for three position? Once you assign a switch for the brakes, how do you know they won't try to close further instead of open when you first bind, as you would not necessarily know the servo direction relative to your digital switch direction in the transmitter. Hope that makes sense. Has me a bit stumped. (AR836) Thank you so much! Dale.

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thanks for watching Dale, glad you like our channel. So before you ever power it up and bind it, once you have the brakes plugged into the RX and you have them assigned to a channel/switch in you TX ...go in the servo travel menu and turn the travel down from 100% to 50% in both of the switch positions. You'll see two 100%, one right on top of the other. One is one switch position, and the other is the other position. Even if you are using a three position switch, it will highlight the two positions in the two "end" positions of the switch (so not the middle position). Now you can power it up and bind it. The brakes will be partially open. Go back into the servo travel menu and now you can adjust the brakes on the two ends, just increase the travel until they are where you want them to be in both positions.

[@ricardopr54]

Awesome flight and aircraft!...👍🏾😊Between this one and the F9F-8 Cougar 80mm, which one do you think is better? I was debating between these two jets but ended up picking the Cougar. I picked the Cougar because of the pre-installed Gyro and, most importantly, the reverse thrust feature this jet comes with. I love the way the Cougar flies, but this one looks alike. What are your thoughts? Thumbs-up for your video 👍🏾 Have a great day 😀 Greetings from Douglas, Arizona 🌵 🦠 😷 🇵🇷 Like #21

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Thank you Ricardo! For me personally I like the F-86 more in general, one of my favorite all time jets. That said both of them are great airplanes. Neither of them is perfectly scale, but almost no model is and the discrepancies are easy to rectify on both if you are a "scale guru". They both fly amazing. I'd say pick the one you personally like the most and you'll be happy. Both are quality machines.

[@ricardopr54]

@ModelAV8RChannel As I said before,I already own the F9F-8 Cougar, and I love it, but I wanted your opinion on the matter... Happy New Year 2024!...

[@EDF_FANatic]

​@ricardopr54 cougar is faster and can handle a 6s 10000 pack for 7 min flight time no issues, f86 is slower but still flies beautifully. I'm not a speed demon and personally I like the look of the sabre more. Cougar probably handles grass ops better than the sabre. I was debating between the two as well before getting the sabre. It's a tough call !

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Yep, gotcha. All the newer 80mm super scale jets fly well. If I had room I'd have them all! Lol.

[@dalezesiger9873]

Hello Adam. Thank you so much for your help. I just got my F-86 and I am putting it together. I have watched a couple of set up videos, and I can't for the life of me find any helpful info on the wiring. There is a very short servo lead coming from the bottom of the circuit board. (CH5C maybe). Do you have any idea what that lead is for? tI seems as though the longer single wire for the gear plugs into your receiver and it connects to what apparently is the sequencer. Is that single "gear" wire the only one needed for all of the gear and doors to work correctly? That very short lead is just not addressed anywhere that I can find. Again, love your videos, and greatly appreciate your help. Dale.

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Dale the short wire is a programming wire you won't use. Yes, the one plug marked gear is the only one you need to plug in for the gear. Great plane. You'll love it.

[@dalezesiger9873]

Awesome. I got it all set up and ready to fly. Thank you so much for the info. I could not find that info anywhere. You are the best!@@ModelAV8RChannel

[@earlpoe7570]

Too bad the Huff is sold out.

[@ModelAV8RChannel]

Hey Earl! It should be coming back in stock today. Might take a day or two to show though. Keep checking. Great plane.

[@earlpoe7570]

Reverse thrust would be nice for my Club's short runway.