The Anatomy of a Titanfall Pilot | Titanfall & Apex Legends Lore Explained

[@MoDen31]

Reupload due to audio issues yesterday. Thanks for being patient everyone!

[@JesusCaminoGarcia]

I'll post again what I said. Both ideas can perfectly coexist. Is like talking about a real world paratrooper or another specialist. Some of them are members of special forces groups, others are just another branch like nqb or sappers. And continuing with this same idea the more train and enhancement you have the more supersoldier you are considered.

[@mafiososa8099]

Mafioso SA 23 hours ago i think that its a neural thing not genetic bc (neural link) but it workes bc you get similar traits and habits from parents like OCD, a love for a subject, an mind that excels at said subject so yay i think it looks at the pilots mind and it works the same as the genetic part as said in the video about how she cant use it well.

[@KingMakerRook]

I consider pilots on the same level as, say, Mandalorians. They're really crazy bad dudes in semi-powered armor using great weapons, gadgets, and mobility stunts to get the advantage on anyone and anything shy of a crazy cyborg-tier super-soldier like a Spartan. Not quite a super-soldier, but definitely a little something more than human if that makes sense.

[@boblazar3823]

Nailed it

[@spartanv0]

That sounds like the most accurate thing

[@masterluxu1]

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

[@commanderacebenerschadron8587]

Mandalorians aren’t super soldiers. That’s like saying Elites from Halo are super soldiers & they’re not.

[@KingMakerRook]

@@commanderacebenerschadron8587 relative to normal human troops, sangheili are super soldiers, yes.

[@TheFlyingTeaCup]

0:36 According to grunt banter from TF1 cloak pilots had half their cloaking mechanism imbedded in their skin to make it work, the grunts describe it as "pretty nasty". I would think that the technology only improved to avoid stuff like that later on. About the titans and the neuralink, I don't think it is strictly required to pilot a titan. I think anyone "can" pilot a titan although using a neuralink helps the pilot control and move in more advanced and effective ways than they would normally. Like in the apex short, Valk never ment to engage the ships but accidently triggered the mechanism. I would guess a neuralink would doublecheck with the pilot's brain before activating something like that. I guess this would also explain how you can just call down another titan after your last was destroyed in the multiplayer. When it comes to Cooper and BT I would think the neuralink was required due to it being one of the Vanguard's protocols. And... you know... BT is one of the most advanced titan units in the frontier, and also held classified information about the operation and other Militia secrets. He even states that he can not tell Cooper what the mission is before they found Andersson. Really great video MoDen!

[@jack.bireley]

HELLO!

[@ceral1871]

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[@conorokane3398]

YO TEACUP YOU ARE THE BEST

[@Taisto-Perkele]

The cloak Cooper uses doesn't last as long as the one used in multiplayer. I'm guessing the implants make the system more efficient, allowing the user to stay invisible for longer (unless the one we get is a completely different device).

[@terrybohart]

Pilot used to be super soldier until Apex comes in and writers start making pilot less impressive

[@PlatinumYuri]

In my mind, if they do something a normal grunt can't do then they're a super soldier. The agility and pure skill that seems to be needed of a Pilot pretty much makes them super in my eyes. No idea why Respawn wants to bring them down to "Oh they're just a grunt with a jet pack."

[@Realcoolbeanz]

"Highly trained grunts" as i proceed to one shot a grown man with my fist. Ah yes. retcons.

[@coffeetext]

On the subject of the neural link, IIRC it’s been said by one of the writers that it’s a function exclusive to Vanguards on account of their sentience. Valkyrie’s ability to pilot Viper’s (heavily modified) Northstar would then come from the chassis and AI’s simple and disposable nature, meaning whoever hops in that isn’t considered hostile could theoretically take control.

[@ajh3461]

Imagine if you could do that in multiplayer

[@jesusvera7941]

also, i think valkyrie studied very well how to control a titan and made a semi-neural link before because at the end of the cinematic Viper allows her to control the northstar while they were taking a flight. Also it makes sense vanguard titans need a more invasive neural link because they have prototype artificial consciousness to control all the advanced systems such as upgrade core, swift adaptation for the use of many loadouts and to fulfill the duty to work as an infiltration unit.

[@nicolas.3916]

Pilots are basically the closest thing to a superhuman/supersoldier in the titanfall universe since just becoming a pilot could take your life away

[@bobthereaper1017]

Great video. You did a great job linking new and old pilot lore that I hope respawn are also thinking about(although I dont think they are because pilots arent that big of a player in apex when compared to titanfall). At first I was having a hard time that pilots werent super soldiers but I've come around on it and your theory of optional enhancements makes logical sense seeing as most of legends enhance themselves in similar way. Still the description of "highly trained grunts" to me heavily undersells what a person has to go through to become a pilot imho. And after the recent story of the outlands I'm finding it very hard to believe that the legends are in anyway equal to the pilots. True that Bangalore was injured during that fight but her brother wasnt and the pilot still was bodying both of them. And after what happened to ash is she still even pilot certified? Wraith might be the only one because she does have supernatural abilities. Idk if someone sees it differently I'd like to discuss.

[@vandoz]

Pilots: super strength, super speed, super endurance, quickly recovering from wounds, extreme resilience, super agile and quick thinking. The jump kit is just a jet pack so you can jump, wall run, and slide (boosted) Respawn just saying they are well trained grunts is BS

[@ajh3461]

Jack was able to do those things, and even slide hop without a jump kit. There are certainly drugs in the TF universe that would allow that, namely stim and whatever goes in medkits. All soldiers including Grunts are also immune to fall damage for some reason.

[@ajh3461]

@raincore He was able to slide hop without a jump kit before Lastimosa arrived.

[@ajh3461]

@raincore He already had rapid healing, b-hopping, and was able to destroy spectres in 2 punches. The only medication he was on at the time was Sansufentanyl, a drug that most grunts have access to.

[@ajh3461]

​@raincore As for pilot training, Cooper can beat nearly every milita pilot's gauntlet time without sprinting, jumping, or shooting. "pilot training" just doesn't set the bar very high.

[@ajh3461]

@raincore So's everything else on the list, and judging by their gauntlet times it's pretty clear that the majority of pilots can't do them.

[@Katurodrake]

Second note: I'm something of a former grunt myself. Infantry have a low key common problem of the job being hard on your knees from all the weight. It's easy to imagine a pilot's knees getting really bad really fast from the all the repeat hard landings and kicks.

[@jaycee7901]

I thought I was a pilot, but in reality, I'm just turnip farmer with an agricultural Titan

[@Itz2Cat]

I don't know if its the sci-fi fan in me coming out but i'm really not a big fan of this whole "They are just normal people thing" In my head people cant run 30mph while hanging onto wall and jumping from big mechs. I really like the idea of pilots being these killing machines that sacrifice humanity for performance in the field.

[@red_phoenix0570]

well they do have jump kits which let them wallrun, as well as quite a few other tools such as one of the simulacrums having the stim ability, and one of the humans has a grappling hook. Another has some sort of small exoskeleton, i think the holo pilot one. Either way, you can't just start sprinting at those speeds, you have to build up speed by manipulating your momentum in your own favor. I'd imagine if I was already moving along at that speed it wouldn't be as much about me accelerating, rather just moving to keep that speed going, kind of like how a cheetah hardly touches the ground at its fastest speed.

[@Mark-vy5qs]

I mean... I don't think being able to fight well justifies crushing metal with your bare hand. Look at Cooper. No exo skeleton, no enhancements that we know of, yet he's able to knock sectors out with a single punch (sometimes two). He doesn't even break his hand. There has to be something "super" about Pilots.

[@pinkliongaming8769]

The Pilots clearly have some form of Healing upgrades as can be seen and heard + it's a kit

[@ILaf1]

I think anyone can Pilot a Titan but not everyone can link to a Titan. This can sorta be proven in the War games map, as a grunt is piloting a Ion Titan testing it out in the beginning. A neural link might require augmentation. This would also explain why Militia Pilots are very few but very skilled as the augmentations would require a lot of money.

[@ajh3461]

Perhaps Cooper received a titan compatible augmentation so he could use the training pod in the beginning?

[@idiotmach1]

@@ajh3461 This seems pretty likely. My guess is that Cooper already had a neural link because Lastimosa was most likely already holding FS-1041 for him when he becomes a Pilot anyway. Could be wrong, but that’s my two cents

[@Mire-Drive]

Titan to pilot links are stated to be a Vanguard exclusive by one of the games devs. You don’t have to take time linking to every different titan you drop in the multiplayer after all.

[@Pinkmusak]

The Pilots are just normal grunts thing does feel a bit like a retcon, but could be a perfect segue to Titanfall 3 on purpose. On the topic of DDoS, the most likely reason that it could be taking so long for Respawn to fix the game, is the stryder engine itself, so they might be reworking it.

[@darykeng]

Doubt the engine is an issue. Source pretty arcane thing if you think about it (like, cmon, it from 2007, even if updates and build-in room for it it still 2007 engine), but I dont think its the issue in this case (it is for Titanfall 3 for instance - Stryder engine deemed too outdated for the sequel and Respawn (especially Vinse personally) not big fans of Frostbite). The issue much simpler - money. Respawn (and EA by extension as publisher) have no monetary motivation to fix Titanfall (Respawn a company after all, they can say whatever they want, but it doesnt change that they still operate within capitalism with sole goal of accumulating as much wealth/profits as possible)

[@terrybohart]

it is and it's not good in my opinion,Pilot used to be some kind of super soldier but now they just your typical grunts with better training and gear that's makes them less interesting because that's mean anyone can be a pilot.

[@kangwamaster4638]

@@terrybohart I'm ok with this simply because of the requirements needed. While *technically* anyone can apply, only the best get to pass. A 2% pass rate is REDICULOUSLY high. Halo's super-soldiers, specifically the Spartan 2, had 60% of them survive (30 out of 75 died). As it is now, having pilots be elite soldiers and not super-soldiers avoids kneecapping themselves like Halo did where anyone can be a Spartan 4 as long as they get augmented. Plus pilots can augment themselves later down the line The only loose string is if pilot training can be done 100% in VR or if a IRL component is still required (live fire exercises and run/shoot test).

[@darykeng]

@@kangwamaster4638 2% on ONE base

[@underscore4505]

We need to look past the fantastic pilots that we the player are and lastimosa etc, and see that the vast majority of pilots would be the shitty arseholes you fight between boss battles that you stomp on

[@Noxis07]

I find the "highly trained grunt" logic to be very flawed. Sure, respawn said it, so it's Canon, but how many grunts can survive falls from several stories hight without dying or breaking their bones?

[@dipanjanghosal1662]

I mean if they get boosters on their legs, they sure can

[@Caffiend-Cat]

@@dipanjanghosal1662 The jump kit alone wouldn't be enough, cuz after enough time those bones would definitely wear and tear so they at the very least need a minor super strength enhancement to survive that stuff.

[@dipanjanghosal1662]

@@Caffiend-Cat yea maybe the soldiers inject some type of PEDs for strength/durability boost

[@th3s4lm0n]

the hardest part of being a pilot is bouncing on your knees at 25 mph while people are shooting at you

[@DarkStarZN]

I think maybe the neural link is exclusive to the Vanguard class titans? BT and other Vanguards are a massive step above a normal titan, with a much more advanced AI compared to the other titan classes in TF1 and TF2.

[@JesusCaminoGarcia]

I'll post again what I said. Both ideas can perfectly coexist. Is like talking about a real world paratrooper or another specialist. Some of them are members of special forces groups, others are just another branch like nqb or sappers. And continuing with this same idea the more train and enhancement you have the more supersoldier you are considered.

[@knowtheplan472]

I feel like they have to have something with their bodies going on that’s more than training. They don’t suffer fall damage at all, something has to be going on with their bones to break your legs coming out of drop ships or instantly dying from nuke ejects flying you into the sky

[@mysteriousstranger5873]

What if the enhanced strength and speed comes from the jump kits? It would explain why copper can go from a normal grunt to scrapping robots in one punch

[@bobthereaper1017]

Ehh the one hitting robots and bhoopigng around a bunch of grunts is more of a gameplay thing. It's like how doom guy in doom eternal cant one shot demons in one punch when it's been stated literally everywhere he's far more deadly with his fist. I dont think cooper is enhanced in anyway from your standard pilot imo.

[@mysteriousstranger5873]

@@bobthereaper1017 yeah, but like what if all jump kits have some sort of exoskeleton is what I’m tryna say, since copper would’ve never gotten augmentations, although I get what you’re saying

[@VianiPZN-]

Interesting idea but it doesn't really ad up because Cooper can already one punch Spectres and his health regenerates, before he puts on Lastimosa gear.

[@mysteriousstranger5873]

@@VianiPZN- really? I thought he was nerfed in the prologue

[@aftonstjarna_enoch]

@@mysteriousstranger5873 maybe it was the injection Lastie gives him

[@jesusvera7941]

from words of the dev team of the modern DooM games, "a character strength is measure by the feats they achieve", so, the pilots can destroy piloted titans if they have the correct equipment or terrain advantage making piloted titans run from them, lower feats from that is killing entire armies of grunts, easily dominating AI piloted titans, hacking groups of specters, killing stalkers hand to hand, and fighting reapers which are titan hunters.

[@randomguy3080]

If I had to guess, while Pilots maybe have some augmentations, they are not super soldiers, think like batman vs captain America, like the pilots aren’t able to hold a helicopter in place like Captain America, but are still at the peak of human physical fitness to the point that their feats appear to be superhuman

[@fanboyfast6073]

4:34 I am pretty sure I heard someone who really dives into lore explain early Titans a being controlled with joysticks and buttons like a modern industrial vehicle or air craft, thus Valkyrie may have had a chance to fly without neural link, which was a later invention that used to be exclusive to the militia’s vanguard. Also as we see even in the campaign and multiplayer there are still full sets of controls, multiplayer titans may not even have neural link because everything just turns on without the green laser things.

[@phoenixpoole7667]

If they are highly trained grunts, then they gotta be some cracked grunts because one-shotting a soldier with a dropkick is crazy work.

[@darykeng]

Btw, the only difference between Specter camo and Simulacrums, as I see, that first perfectly know that they are, in fact, Specters (probably even willingly become one) while Simulacrums, with some magic of coding and filtering, not aware about it (Ash for instance)

[@ScourgeZer]

4:05 So actually not all titans have Nerolink, it was first implemented in the Vangaurd and majority use manual controls like a joystick or throttle which is why you still the pilot get their hands or arms wrapped around by metal in some titanfall 1 trailers

[@KatDiedAgain]

This is super interesting. I never considered the fact that those Titans in the fields in that trailer could need Pilots to link to.

[@ericocio-z568]

Nice video bro,keep up the good work

[@jasperwilkens131]

What people need to know (and I think especially apex players) is that Titanfall and apex are the same universe, bit a different dimension. A good example is the phase shift program. In TF is was successful, but in apex it was not. So I am hoping that the pilot training in TF was more difficult than that of apex (looking at the new outlands trailer from apex).

[@ajh3461]

The training being different actually makes a lot of sense In TF2 the gauntlet takes elite solders more than 2 minutes to complete. In Apex, it's used recreationally and Octane is the world record holder at 11 seconds.

[@katiekat1768]

my theory for viper is since his northstar is very customised the nerual link was removed to bypass a security measure so he could customize it how he liked, however this allowed anyone to pilot it

[@KallMeKes]

2:34 yep, sometimes it depends on the caliber, like 22lr or 9mm are less accurate and bigger calibers like 5.56 or 30-06 are more accurate because the projectiles are heavier

[@fema_tequila7382]

I say its retcon after retcon with pilots since its not even the same respawn making it. A normal man who can kool aid man into a concrete wall without showing any reaction or having enoughforce to kool aid man another grunt through a concrete wall, can also one punch man a specter and sent it flying or figth anothe specter pilot, can take stupidly high falls which the jump kit wount make sense stoping, becuse at that point why cant the jump kit fly if its stopping nuke eject distances? Am not very smart but i know that a normal human or a "highly train grunt" cant do any of those

[@ketchard]

That's really informative but I really wanna know what a theoretical fight between a militia pilot and an apex legend would be like without any fancy equipment

[@Jinbustu]

2:49 also seen in Titanfall 1’s tutorial!

[@nerofarreach2417]

I'd assume about the pilot titan bond is that the bond makes it leagues easier to pilot the titan, but not exclusive, and that the titan still can be manually controlled, in nuclear, or even normal ejects, the pilot has to manually put in controls for it, hitting buttons on the arm of the chair before pulling the ejection, meaning there ARE controls in there, its likely that the pilot just doesnt use them due to the bond though.

[@9cboomer720]

love watching these breakdown sort of videos. I do wish Respawn would expand on the Lore of Pilots and Titans. Like Bungie did with Halo.

[@yikes313]

They would have to be super soilders and I get Respawn is favouring apex saying they arent super soilders but in the TF universe we see pilots jump higher than any human in history with no help from the jetpack and also punch a helmet off another pilot usung brute strength or even... due to one of the execution Pilots are able to punch another pilot several meters in the air then use a grapple to pull them down with enough force to kill/knock them out

[@darykeng]

Also the part about "Neural link". Isnt it a fact that such link only exist with Vanguard-class titans (which makes them the best titans on the Frontier)?

[@Han_Solo6712]

Read to the end please. Just want to say that in the Apex trailer “Northstar” Valkyrie does not preform any complex maneuvers. There might be an alternative piloting method that does not require a neural link but isn’t nearly as effective. If piloting with a neural link makes the titan an extension of your body, piloting without one may be more similar to driving a car, but probably more complex.

[@b-boxbledsoe9687]

When titanfall pilots feel more like Spartans than halo makes Spartans feel

[@fizzicuhl]

I like to consider combat pilots as cracked out ODST’s or less subtle Mandalorians.

[@EnderouSama]

On the whole thing with the neural link. It was explained that only the militia were the ones to start fuxing with neural link titans when the vanguard class was made as they're meant to value and prioritize survival over all else. The other titans are still on the old tech that the imc and merc pilots used in titanfall 1 and 2. You can see the clear difference in the titans when you look at the scene where sarah gives a rally before storming the draconis and when blisk in the first mission stops richter from cutting ears off of grunts. Sarah's vanguard class titan moves along with her actively when she gives the rally and blisk's titan enters a sort of standby mode. Just wanted to make sure that it was cleared up. If i have any of this wrong let me know please. I'd like to be as 100% accurate as possible

[@Katurodrake]

I think the bar for becoming a pilot is one thing, having many regenerations under your belt as a career pilot is another. I almost think of it as, trading a bit more of you body, or a chip of your humanity every time you regenerate. Making gen 10 pilots feel like the competent elite where they likely have implants or special prosthetics to maintain their bodies. Making the gen 100.49 pilots inhuman with how many times their bodies have been fixed and retuned endlessly.

[@Just_rEd_57]

I think the case for valk is a little simpler. The pilot link allows a pilot to operate a Titan as an extension of their own body. When younger valk operates the Titan I don't think we see any evidence that that link is happening at all. I think what is happening is a mixture of auto Titan and what I'd probably call "manual" control. It seems to me that a Titan can be controlled just how we Imagine any machine can be controlled but a pilot link makes it so you don't even have to think about it. Valk wasn't linked to the Northstar at all, she was just manually operating it and utilizing the auto titan.

[@LoliMaster69227]

I think they're at least semi-super soldiers. Definitely not on the same level as say a Spartan who can bench press a tank but still good enough that a normal soldier without experience with pilot level training would not be able to handle them. I feel like thats a good enough compromise for the whole super soldier argument.

[@forgot-to-log-out]

If i am right, neuralink needed to control titans like BT, and its not required for usual titans

[@jasondahfolf4325]

Given how few pilots graduate from their training, there is no doubt in my mind that they aren’t given at least some sort of chemical cocktail design to improve their bodies enough to more easily handle the rough wear and tear on their bodies

[@od813]

4:30 I think the neurotlink only applies to Vanguard class titans

[@ghost_420]

So if Pilots are just better grunts how come they can punch a specter and also they can throw one like it was shown in the Titanfall 2 singleplayer cinematic intro when Lastimosa threw a specter and impaled it on a rebar

[@DragonActual]

I like the part where you converted KPH to MPH.

[@boonytooth115]

My take going to it is with Roaneke Gaming's theory that there are 3 main stages of a pilot Stage 1: the really trained humans,just really a human with somewhat above average armor and no implants and expandable gear,like grapple or pulse blade Stage 2 : these are the somewhat augmented pilots (refering to the grunt conversation in Tf1) that some of them have skin implants etc. maybe a exoskeleton (male Holo pilot model) or something to their skull (Slone) Stage 3 : these would be the simulacrum pilots that have abandoned their humanity on favor of more resilient and faster bodys,working with hydraulics and electronic pulses instead of nerves and muscles side note1 : Cooper is a ex IMC pilot who got brainwashed and captured by the Militia after the regeneration procces side note 2 : pilots in their 1st stage are injected with probably some sort of high end drugs or nano machines (insert Armstrong here) that enhances their bodily-regeneration (after being shot or hurt) and allows them to punch and kick human-sized robots in 1hit lethal with their bare hands (grunts as seen in Tf1 rare executions need to use their stocks of rifles to kill specters) which would explain why a pilot can just regen all of their health from multiple gunshots after just taking cover for a few seconds

[@the_jjabberwock]

Why is Cooper a baddy?

[@boonytooth115]

@@the_jjabberwock bro you cant tell me that this untrained first-lesson tutorial grunt just started 1hitting specters at the start of the mission,instinctively started wallrunning and doublejumping and knew how to atleast semi-competently pilot a complex militia pilot,hell naw

[@Oceb]

Cooper isn't ex-imc, that theory has always been stupid. He's always been in the Militia, and we even see him do some training at the beginning of the game. There's only one part of the training he hadn't done before we take controll, and that's Titan training.

[@the_jjabberwock]

@@Oceb That's what I thought, though I am interested in BoonyTooth's theory.

[@the_jjabberwock]

@@boonytooth115 That's not really evidence though.

[@TelestoTheBesto]

My take on it: perhaps some training facilities use enhancements while others don’t.

[@mafiososa8099]

i think that its a neural thing not genetic bc (neural link) but it workes bc you get similar traits and habits from parents like OCD, a love for a subject, an mind that excels at said subject so yay i think it looks at the pilots mind and it works the same as the genetic part as said in the video about how she cant use it well.

[@domonator5000]

Important detail with simulacra and spectre camo, it’s technically inaccurate to say the consciousness is “transferred”, because based upon everything I’ve been able to find and read/listen to, it sounds as though what really happens is the consciousness is copied as ‘engram’ and then THAT is transferred into a new body. Pilots whose minds are deemed to be valuable even too valuable to lose, are given the opportunity to have their talented minds copied and stored for replication, or in the later case, involuntarily copied for later use by high bidders, or powerful corporate or military entities in the frontier.

[@KatDiedAgain]

3:28 get bamboozled lmao ...I fall for those every time ;-;

[@kangwamaster4638]

Are pilots super-soldiers like Master Chief and Captain America? No But to just say "well-trained grunts" doesn't seem quite accurate. Pilots are elite soldiers. Sure at their foundation, with no equipment, one could call them a well-trained grunt. Jackson is supposedly a pilot yet he was getting waxed without his gear. It's the ability to use a pilot's kit that separates, the grunts from the pilots. While anyone could strap on a jumpkit and use pilot tactical (aside from phase and stim). It is a pilot's ability to utilize those pieces with mastery that makes them dangerous. To anyone who disagree, I suggest playing Titanfall and only using Apex movement (no wallrunning, no double jumping, and wait ~25 seconds between tacticals) Without their mobility, a pilots strength is greatly diminished (but not gone)

[@MTG9745]

Nice black ice volt skin!

[@the_urban_goose1]

If the connection to the titan is genetic based then Cooper wouldn't have been able to pilot bt so effectively. It's prolly more about some code in the pilots gear

[@tothewin5388]

Remember this word....retcon

[@tothewin5388]

These new teams that are running respawn don't know titanfall Lore.

[@EmpReb]

Respawn saying the are super grunts conflicts with the stim burn card by a fucken grunt saying he was wired for. A week by stim drop. A fucken drop. They were down playing how strong pilots are because Apex is their cash cow. A pilot is a wrecking force on the battlefield and super soldier no matter what they say by a writer. Their actions in Titanfalls plots pretty much say otherwise than their words.

[@domonator5000]

I actually think the Valkyrie SOTO wasn’t that much of a retcon, she was barely able to pilot the thing effectively at all, probably due to a half baked neural link. The extent to which she could control the titan matches with a child who genetically has relation to the linked pilot. And in an environment of stress like that battle her already weak neural like from the panic would cause an outcome like we saw in the trailer

[@legojedi5296]

Consider them as spartans

[@amirmohammadmousavi5209]

Pilots for sure get some kind of phisycall enhancement one the reasons is that they can easily punch a metal Spectre

[@amirmohammadmousavi5209]

Apex is just downgrading pilots . It is ruining pilots

[@MasterTopHat]

if you ask me, I think there a mix there highly trained and modified but not to a Hight level like not to what there told. It's probably just war propaganda as like they have better strength, agility, aim then most grunts but there still human and can be killed. I also agree a lot with your idea that the pilots can choose what mods they want to add to give them an Even bigger egad. for titan thing there actual a solution for that Durning the war titans shifted away from being personal and customizable to class based and easily made and thus less of a bond was need so even someone like viper daughter could pilot one (but not to its fullest potential

[@crazy5948]

They are both super soldiers and highly trained grunts. They would be a highly trained grunt at Frist but then once they graduate from pilot training they would undergo augmentation to make them a super soldier I believe. No moral human could run, slide and dodge bullets like we see in one trailer where the Holopilot is used, however this is more than capable for someone that has had their physiology augmented to make their senses sharpened and their reaction time basically instant

[@tatodrawz]

LETSGO THEORIES! love theories

[@Spookyboo96]

Great vid

[@Muffinpurplegurk]

Every Apex Legend would get bodied by a gen 1 pilot

[@Sainted86]

Or gen 100

[@lunarbun6069]

Idk rev is pretty tough

[@Phycorax]

@@lunarbun6069 He is a pushover Edgelord.

[@lunarbun6069]

@@Phycoraxthat’s true but he is kind of a demi god

[@Phycorax]

@@lunarbun6069 Demi god? Pfft It's a Reaper from OW wannabe that's more Robotic

[@karmakle4854]

I personally think there super soldier like for they need something to make them super to survive becoming a pilot bouncy ball.

[@SOVIETMAVERICK07]

Apex gets a lot of Titanfall lore wrong so it’s best to take what apex says with a brick of salt. Also the Vanguard class titan is the only one with neural link control and a requirement for the titan and pilot to bond as they also have AI capable of having emotions and are self aware. The other titans are controlled with physical mechanisms and motion tracking, and have less advanced AI. These titans are more disposable and vanguard class titans are only given to the very best pilots due to their advanced abilities.

[@bullbuster944]

Valkyrie had crude controls not fully working

[@FilthyPagan1104]

obviously the simulacrum pilots could be called super soldiers

[@OdinsDraugr69420]

Fun fact: pilots are more deadly then Spartans from halo. Want proof? Spartan survival rate was 44% and kept going up with better technology. Pilots have a 2% survival rate in their training. Pilots are on another level of skitz shit

[@DMG2705]

The reason i think they are super soldiers is because when you punch grunts they for one, die on impact, and get sent flying like 20 feet. Also how else are they just punching spectres without any problems? Same with with reapers, you can punch them but it wont do any damage but your pilot is completely fine after punching a highly bullet resistant 12 foot robot! The canon of this series is kinda fucky.

[@noirekuroraigami2270]

Maybe just gameplay.

[@mej6519]

mic sounds better man :)

[@purank6308]

Ye

[@chedabu]

80% failure rate vs 98% is 18% difference, not 8%

[@macrognsqd]

"a prosthetic leg" not 2 just one to run faster?? 😭

[@Shbeeve]

honestly the apex writers just made pilots look less like extremely badass soldiers just so they can add new skins and call it a titanfall lore expansion or something

[@morbad9619]

My I ask is your g125 in game or did you mod the file to higher the level cap

[@MoDen31]

It's a mod.

[@voodoo-1210]

Personal opinion, I think they should have some augmentations, be it machines or something more akin to Spartans. The “highly trained grunts” just doesn’t make sense to me. We see pilots killing robots with one hand and surviving falls that would kill a normal grunt.

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

Because that wouldn’t make sense with the plot of titanfall 2 lol

[@voodoo-1210]

@@MILDMONSTER1234 then what was the mystery drug Lastimosa injected into Copper?

[@tothewin5388]

Them calling the pilots highly trained grunts is just a retcon and their words don't matter as the respawn that had said that are not even the old original team that worked on tf1 and tf2 and early apex. They have been stated over and over in titanfall Lore to be super soldiers. These people have done nothing but shit all over titanfall Lore to fit their cash cow lore.

[@CQBlitz0]

what's your color scheme used for your pilots?

[@yaogwai]

We don’t talk about Apex Legends around here

[@ncheckosai123]

Pilot link is not DNA based, else if that were true then lastimosa wouldn't be able to pass bt to cooper. pilot to titan link only grants access to control the titan and improve their synchronicity or combat rating, almost like the pilot and the titan are one (mind). Neural link is important since it improves the capabilities of a titan. Its like this.. if u put a spitfire awall camper tone user pilot on a ronin.. then ronin becomes a noob, but if u put someone like say... iniquity on a ronin, then ronin = OP. Ronin becomes iniquity himself. If there were no such thing as a pilot to titan link, then enemies can hijack enemy titans so easily just by killing the pilot And there were no limitations stated about linking, so a titan could probably link to 1 or more pilots as long as it was authorized by the linked pilot, that is why valk linked to northstar coz her dad linked her too

[@ceral1871]

Cloak pilots have cloak in their skin though

[@youngblood5434]

i really hate how tame apex's lore is and how child friendly it is with its characters and i hate it i really think the writer just made up elitely trained grunts up on the spot the go trough augmentations say cloack is literally planted on the pilot's skin apex really ruined titanfall's gritty/dark atmosphere with its writing and the new trailer with the viper wannabe pilot is the most annoying the way bangalore literally sees trough the cloack is bullshit i dont know what happened to the respawn writing team maybe they replaced them with teens instead of activison's old developers maybe vince did not have a say in the story since season 5 i dont know but they really destroyed this game's lore

[@tothewin5388]

The old team had left respawn, and Vince has been removed from apex and put in charge of battlefield.

[@tothewin5388]

These are new people who obviously have no knowledge of titanfall Lore.

[@ComfortsSpecter]

False They Are Super Soldiers Moving on

[@Blackout-jw1iy]

And yet the IMC pilots “the chosen ones” in the large group, who have survived such rigorous training, are far inferior to the Militia pilots

[@Phycorax]

Sussy re-upload? I know the reason Audio was fucky wucky uwu

[@VianiPZN-]

What the-

[@eutonity7415]

It annoys me so much how Respawn now just ruins all the cool stuff about the pilots and titans. Makes me worried that even if we do someday get a Titanfall 3, it'll be shit and poorly written.

[@ZMEFDATH]

Pilots gor ret-coned nerfed so the shity "legends" could stand a chance

[@goblin3810]

Apex has done nothing but shit all over titanfall lore.

[@ShifterX3]

While I'm willing to believe pilots are augmented it kinda gets debunked because of jack cooper. He became a pilot but he started as a grunt and got promoted mid battle. And while he did get training from lastimosa that was in secret, so I doubt he got any augments. And for the falling from extreme hights. Again in tf2 it is shown that pilots can survive that without any damage. Ecxept for (spoiler incase you didn't play the campaign) when viper picked up jack and bt and dropped them ontop of the ims draconis in which cooper took damage from the fall. My guess the reason pilots don't take fall damage is because of their jump kit which cooper didn't have enough time to line himself up for the fall.

[@heinrichgroenewald6834]

The south african rikkies, the special forces have a nearly 99% failure rate and are generally regarded as the best of the best in terms of special forces and have to go through absolute hell in the training, there are only around 70 of them because of how difficult it is to get through, and additionally you have to be the best of the best in your previous branch to even have a chance of getting into training. So the imc pilot doesn't seem so unbelievable

[@lunarbun6069]

I’m glad they didn’t go the super soldier route it’s kinda cool knowing normal people can do so much

[@tothewin5388]

That's the thing, normal people can't do so much. This isn't the same respawn that made both titanfall. If it ain't from the old devs, then whatever this respawn say is nothing short than a retcon.

[@shizzy7480]

" they're just grunts with special training" Ah yes, that special training having a literal 90% mortality rate means nothing I guess