Modern FAKE APOSTLES!?! 1 Peter 1:1-3 and Calvinism, Foreknowledge, Trinity, etc

Vs by vs & topical study. Calvinism, election and foreknowledge.
Apostle Bill Johnson?! Problems with Jesus Culture's pastor/apostle.
Not only does this message cover the first 3 verses of 1 Peter 1, it also provides an overview and unifying theme for understanding 1 Peter as "The Pilgrim's Handbook".
Each week I will upload a new video.
This message is from the Sunday Evening Service at Hosanna Christian Fellowship in Bellflower, CA.
www.hosannachap...

[@dannyvaughan7332]

Mike, every time I listen to you, your teaching is grounded in Scripture and well-researched. Keep it up! D. Vaughan

[@AmeeraG242]

Me too!

[@myrthasprouse8601]

"Its not this is as good as it gets, it's this is as bad as it gets" I struggle with having hope for the now. My heart needed this reminder at this precise moment. Thank you Pastor Mike!

[@StefanLunden-masen]

Great biblestudie. Started to watch it for your opinion regarding NAR and Bethel church. Couldn´t stop watching beacuase you are a good teacher.

[@johnclayton1026]

Mike is teaching what's going on in the world and naming names. Few pastors are want to do this.

[@inmyopinion651]

Mike and Servus Christi both do.

[@Ironica82]

@@inmyopinion651 Servus Christi is not someone who should be followed as he is one of those who claim to be a discerner yet tear down everyone who doesn't agree with him and doesn't even have a church to hold him accountable.

[@graftme3168]

@@Ironica82 a church to hold him accountable?

[@Ironica82]

@@graftme3168 correct. He does not go to a church but just his family. Part of the reason for the church is the accountability of the saints (something that is quite lacking in the west).

[@graftme3168]

@@Ironica82 where is accountability to a church in scripture?

[@Redo12able]

Pastor Winger has a sound mind.

[@michaelbrickley2443]

Walter Last, one thing about Calvary Chapels, their Pastors are all well taught and everything is based on what is in the Bible.

[@Redo12able]

@@michaelbrickley2443 I've only come to a clear understanding of correct Christian doctrine within the last 11 years. That has been a blessing, of course. The downsize to my journey is my new awareness of the historically complex divisions within Christianity, in all their forms. Hence, I am very sensitive about who I listen to. I listen to Mike Winger. Although he does have an occasional burst of inspiration and invents new English words. One such example is "OK-ness." He should repent. Lol.

[@daynaolsonmedia]

You know Mike, my husband and I just get so much from your teachings, we’re truly grateful for the gift God has given you to speak so clearly about the word. I have been so inspired by the Holy Spirit in you (as well as one of our own teachers at our church and of course God Himself!!) to be in the word daily and it’s just re-ignited a fire I’m our hearts. We hope someday we get to meet you and fellowship with you and the part of the body that you serve. 👏🙏😁 God bless you and your wife and church. Peace be with you all.

[@cameronbitzer4737]

Pastor Mike, when I clicked on the time bar of the video it shows the volume fluctuations throughout the video and it’s highest when you talk about Calvinism, I know we all appreciate how passionate you are about the topic!

[@Moe-bb3bm]

Pastor Winger is a good teacher and very sharp on his word

[@jenniferwenger6925]

This is one of my favorite teachings here. I come to realize that I can relate to you because we have the same mindset. I struggle with my husband because he focuses more on the end times study. How dark everything will get, he stays more in a serious mindset. I’m slowly getting him to listen teachings like yours to help balance him out. Pastor David Wilkerson is his only Pastor he listens to. Now that is a true man of God! He was used mightily by God, I can see what you say about just listening to one teacher you start just thinking like that person. Gosh I just ramble. Sorry 😐. Thank you for what you for allowing God to use you.

[@graftme3168]

Wilkerson might be the reason your husband is so serious and focused on end times. I perceive that Wilkerson administers a spirit of fear that isn't a godly fear. The Holy Spirit guides in peace. Test the spirits!

[@paulhalliii2151]

The bible talks about time getting worse

[@judylloyd7901]

@@graftme3168 Wilkerson walks in a Godly fear. If people take it and interpret the end times as something to be afraid of, that's on them, not the preacher. The Bible does teach that things will get worse before the end.

[@graftme3168]

@@judylloyd7901 You mean "walked." He's dead now.

[@kimjasmine7767]

In this time and age there are so many different groups preaching different doctrine. It is good to find people who are preaching from the Bible based on the truth not something changed to suit their own desires. So sad to learn believers are so divided because of that. So many are convinced it is the truth that they embraced. Some are so deep into it. I was one of them thinking it is something from God. Very trusting until this teaching I heard from Todd Bentley and his videos plus all kinds of other demonic attacks. Until now still have to deal with some of the impact, not easy to overcome many times....stressful at times but believing God is still in control. Bless those who are sincerely seeking the truth n help others to see the truth.

[@Rosa-hf6ij]

Thank you for your videos on churches like this I was in a church like this and I met Bill Johnson glad I left this church!!

[@markferguson6194]

Hi Rosa, I haven't been to church for years, pray in tongues as much as u can, and try to meet with other Christian's and you will be fine. Most of Europe and now Iran were evangelised by people who were not part of an organization.

[@graftme3168]

@@markferguson6194 How do you pray in tongues as much as you can? Shouldn't it be "as the Spirit gives the utterance?" Can someone pray in tongues without the Holy Spirit giving the utterance? Can someone speak in tongues as he wills?

[@bill_y4762]

Right now camping and saw the glory feathers appearing in Tent !!! I was weeping and crying and praising God!! And figuring i must be an apostle!!! .... then i realized there was a hole in my sleeping bag 😞 .... of course now i’m crushed and barely hanging onto the faith please pray for me.

[@philiparcher2868]

Sorry, I found your story to be a bit funny.

[@markferguson6194]

Great story, why would anyone want to be an apostle,,,paul was beaten almost to death several times, shipwrecked, in chains and all of the apostles were murdered,John was the exception he was only boiled in oil. Seek God and be who u were created to be

[@bill_y4762]

@@markferguson6194 you seriously did not realize that was a joke ?? (Stunned silence). But as far as your comment on who would want to be an apostle, who would not? Paul blew up the the known world with the gospel and saved many souls. Seems more than worth the risk of a few stonings to me. But I guess one must stay in their sphere.

[@markferguson6194]

@@bill_y4762 lol, yes, it is a price worth paying, I was trying to paint the contrast between those who call themselves apostles and make millions of dollars peddling the gospel and what real ones look like

[@bill_y4762]

@@markferguson6194 Ah!!! I completely agree it's almost like the body of Christ has forgotten the verse "He who seeks to be great in the kingdom must become the servant of all..."... And by servant of all I assume he means y'all donate so much money to me I can buy a lear 70 jet to fly to my condo in Saint Lucia (with my inters of course). 🙂👍

[@kramsdrawde8159]

I don't think human eyes can look on his glory... Maybe welding hood... Lol... Saul was blind for days...i have burned my eyes while welding... I can just theorize his Glory is so bright it exceeds the brilliant arc of liquefied Steel... Even welding gives me a sense of empowerment thinking of his GLORY being greater than this man made little display of electricity is Awe inspiring... Never thought of it until you talked about the cloud used to protect MOSES eyes . Thank you for that amazing image so vivid in my mind and imagination.

[@highlightning6693]

Hey Kram, I know you replied to this a year ago but I wanted to mention that I'm pretty sure that a human being, in their sinful body, would be destroyed if they gazed upon the full glory of The Father. He made Moses hide in the cleft of a rock as He passed by so he wouldn't be killed.

[@zestamaster]

@@highlightning6693 before the viel was torn, yes.

[@LetTalesBeTold]

28:20 I always crack up when Mr. Mike talks about his affinity for food… it’s too relatable, lol. I can’t wait to sit at a heavenly banquet table with this whole community! But also on topic, the past two years or so, I’ve had a dream of Jesus returning repeated a few times. No real visual except me being outdoors somewhere, with glorious light suddenly breaking through the clouds- and this huge mounting feeling of “wait, this is IT, He’s coming!” And then, of course, I get so excited that I wake myself up and get in a sleepy five-second pout knowing He’s not back yet. 😆 Naturally, I allege nothing prophetic about this. But I do take such encouragement in knowing that as I walk closer with the Savior, the joy of seeing Him and being swept up to heaven is obviously growing in me. Can’t wait!!

[@rootandvine9343]

Mike, I applaud your devotion and thank you for your continued devotion to the Word of God. Great teaching. Thank you.

[@kathleens.laroche754]

It is true: the appeal of earthly things becomes less and less, corruption becomes more and more evident, and the longing for our final and real home intensifies.

[@nicholasmiles2872]

Hey Mr. Winger. I’ve always had a problem with preachers and pastors always asking to tithe, or buy a book or trying to get money constantly. I’ve been watching your videos for a few weeks now and now I have a job and I love your messages, I love the way you teach the word. You are the first one that paying my tithe to feels right. I just don’t know how/where to pay. If you or some one could let me know I would appreciate it. God bless all of you.

[@kimberleerivera7062]

Glory To GOD!!! Thank you Mike Winger for an absolutely fantastic message!

[@Allhisranch]

I like your verse by verse teaching. Thank you!!!

[@AR15andGOD]

Choosing God doesn't take away His glory, after all it is for His glory that man would have free will to make the choice to begin with, according to His design.

[@dawnmichelle4403]

I really needed the last 5 minutes of your message! The peace of God that guards my mind is what I need. Time for me to get back to Philippians 4. Appreciate the reminder 🙌🏻

[@aimee-lynndonovan6077]

Another great lesson and finding out about NAR. Thank you for being straightforward, simple, yet sound of doctrine.

[@alanylizardo]

thanks for everything you do. you bless me constantly with your biblical teaching

[@brotherandrew6227]

Another great message. Thank you, Brother Mike.

[@amorningcupofgrace]

Thank you for being faithful to your calling 🙏🏾

[@martingagnon7631]

We don't just have a spirit. Those who are truly Born Again have the Holy Spirit of God within them and from Him comes the urging to worship God.

[@plaintruth996]

Great Bible teaching....God bless you

[@LovedOneFull]

Could you please do a video on kenosis and its aberrations? As someone who has been heavily influenced by the teachings of bethel and ihop, I think that would be really helpful. The Lord is really using your sentence about needing to be born again only if you were sinful to rock My thinking this evening. Thank you. And also, thank you for your videos regarding bethel. I know you regret not being more forceful in your criticism of the movement, but I truly believe it was the restraint of the Holy Spirit; if you had been more condemning, I don't know that I and many others in the movement would have been able to hear your criticisms. (Not sure why I keep calling it the ,movement'. Haha) your video was a starting point and answer to prayer regarding truth in this area. So thank you.

[@nathanstevens2644]

Love your teachings brother. Thank you.

[@feathers34]

Thank for giving us the true gospel. Not all this mumbo jumbo we hear now. Your ministry is so much more important than you know.

[@adamduarte895]

Amazing! have had the same concerns about Bethel Church and the modern church movement in general. Thank you

[@righteousrocker1769]

Thanks so much for this video, it has helped confirm again how the truth of God's word sets us free. I lean towards Calvin but am so encouraged by your teaching and find in it a freedom of thinking that is sadly lacking in so much of what's online today.

[@righteousrocker1769]

Hi Patrick, thanks for your concern. I believed in Jesus long before I had read any reformed doctrine, so before and after I was and am born again by the same means, grace through faith. Reformed doctrine has helped me understand my faith more, and as I wrote, I lean towards Calvin, but I appreciate others like Leonard Ravenhill, Francis Schaeffer, David Wilkerson, Francis Chan, and many more. The longer I live, the more I realize I only know in part. Blessings, Jeff

[@ghostl1124]

Most believers respect Calvinism and Reformed theology, even if they don't agree with all of it. Even Calvin and Luther didn't always agree with each other. But they studied and showed themselves approved of God. People are born again by hearing the word of God (the Bible) and they believe. You can verify their faith by observing their lifestyle, and humility toward the Scriptures and their fellowship in a church. And you know they are Christians by their expressions of love for both God and other people. Jesus taught us to be born again when he taught Nicodemus in the gospel of John, chapter 3.

[@KristiLEvans1]

I know what you meant about “leaning Calvinist”. Saying that will get you flamed. I was in what we would now call an NAR church but woke up, by God’s grace - so I completely understand where you’re coming from.

[@KristiLEvans1]

Patrick Montgomery whoa! I don’t think when he says “leaning” that he means what you’re assuming he means.

[@KristiLEvans1]

Patrick Montgomery Amen, brother! And all I meant was that when you escape an NAR church, you can find yourself going to the OTHER extreme. If it ain’t LITERALLY in the Scriptures, I ain’t believing it. The strict simplicity of Calvinist teachers is a refreshing (literally) spring to drink of. For instance - though I do not have the understanding of predestination and election that he does, I LOVE John MacArthur. One can be drawn to Calvinism (indeed, John Calvin’s writings were the basis of many Protestant denominations, on top of Luther’s nailed treatise), as a reaction, almost, to the free-wheeling charismatic movements of the Health/Wealth “Apostolic” movement.

[@DarrenRoy]

Hi Mike. Do you think you'd be doing a new video on 'apostles' since youve had 8yrs more insight and study? I agree that NAR and some of their teaching is unbiblical, unorthodox and/or ungodly. But, surely there's a difference between the Apostles (like the NAR) and apostles (genuinely sent ones). Ephesians 4 would suggest the gifts were given until we reach the fulness of the measure of the stature of Christ and amazingly the ministry gifts were given to the church post-ascension. Thanks for what you do.

[@happygolucky5855]

Would be interesting. Another calvery chapel pastor puts it well. Calvery chapel ontario Apostle means to be sent out, so we do have apostles but we call them missionary’s now.

[@DonCornelius366]

In the TRUE sense of the word, there are no Apostles living today. But, Missionaries, Charity Christians, etc, are all types of apostles. In fact, all who the Spirit encourages to go out and teach. preach and aid, are types of "apostles." But in the true sense of the word, there are none.

[@JewandGreek]

There are no Apostles but there are apostles. In other words the 12 Apostles of the Lamb have all passed on, along with the other foundational apostles like Paul and James. But we still have Ephesians 4:11 apostles and prophets just as we still have pastors, teachers, and evangelists.

[@rickylimbu3668]

@@JewandGreek Amen

[@peterread705]

I believe there are apostles, anointed of God, in place waiting for God’s next move. Quiet, holy folk, currently receiving Gods orders for the work to come

[@DonCornelius366]

@@peterread705 You BELIEVE ... now I want you to SHOW how Jesus is getting off of His Throne, coming to earth, to PHYSICLALY VISIT a true Saint, and "send" them into the world ... ... when this was clearly, and only done, 2,000 years ago and teh Gospel is ALREADY matured in the earth. What people "believe" doesn't have much value to me. What is WRITTEN and REALITY are key. Apostles were people who Jesus PHYSICALLY VISITED and commissioned them to go into the world to preach His Gospel. ... not through a dream. ... not through the mouth of someone else. ... not some imagined "vision." ... not a "feeling" OR a "belief" He PHYSICALLY VISITED them and sent them out. That is why Paul defended his apostleship soooo many times, because he was NOT visisted. No one would have accepted him as an "Apostle" ... but to Paul's benefit, *HE HAD WITNESSES* and those *WITNESSES* were all he needed. Those other men testified that Paul was telling the truth. NO OTHER PERSON ALIVE OR DEAD HAD *WITNESSES* (plural). NONE. Today, the peolple (mostly BLACK males in American and also Africa) who claim to be "Apostles" do so as an ADPTED TITLE that they simply claim for themselves. NONE of them were visited. NONE of them have witnesses. And Jesus is NOT getting off of His Throne to come and visit anyone. He SITS until all enemies are made His footstool ... as it is written, and there He remains until all things are fulfilled. So, in the TRUE sense of the word "Apostle," they *ALL* died out 1900 years ago. There are *NO* real "Apostles" living in the world today.

[@DonCornelius366]

@@JewandGreek you did not heed a single thing I typed

[@johnbenson20]

I once had a pure white cloud appear in my bedroom I was terrified by the Holiness I didn't think I actually live l was like a Dead Man it's was amazing & fearful together!!

[@craigreedtcr9523]

At first I was annoyed by the premise of the video: That you were going to expose the teachings of another ministry that were " False". Then I listened to the first twenty minutes. Grave- soaking is pretty clearly wack- a- doodle and false...Ha ha ha Are they really doing that? Wow. Bizarro.

[@friendofthebeatenbrokenthe3712]

Craig Reed The Christian Response If you are watching videos to get insurance of your knowledge...you are already lost

[@craigreedtcr9523]

@@friendofthebeatenbrokenthe3712 Was this addressed to me? How does this apply to anything I said. Mr. Black Parade???

[@JewandGreek]

No they're not. Mike got that wrong. He was also wrong about Bethel and IHOP being linked to NAR. I'm pretty disappointed in this video as I usually like his comments.

[@rocketmanshawn]

@@JewandGreek you should watch his video on Bill and Bethel...

[@GrizzlyAshton]

Youre so funny, 22 hours or so on 5 chapters. I love your content, I've learned a lot from you. I disagree with you some, but have learned more than I've disagreed with you on. Thanks, keep up the good work. Maybe one day I'll write you on the Christian polygyny perspective if life ever slows down.

[@marianking1379]

I was in a church in 70,s, through 80,s 90,s that did exactly those things, laying on graves, asking for the mantles to be transferred to them, so much into signs and wonders. Oh my! Nothing new

[@godissogood]

Can't believe it 7 years ago. Please do more studies on the books of the bible. I love the way you break it down.

[@dannylovesya2052]

You call out false prophets with humility, pastor Mike

[@e.l.243]

Very well said, Danny.

[@doughammond8932]

I find this to be an excellent teaching, thank you!

[@johnbenson20]

Bethel don't know or have the GOSPEL TRUTH they even teach Jesus Christ was a man & not God Eternal !

[@thepiedpiper3218]

Love your teachings. Thank you. Could you help me out here please. The reasons Paul give in Ephesians 4 for the ministry of apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers is "11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ..." You said that Ephesians 4 says he appointed apostles and prophets to get the word out, and since the word is gone out he no longer appoints those ministries, but that not what it says in Ephesians 4. I agree with you about the NAR but my point is not about them or the weird things they do. It's just that the text gives different reasons than the one you gave regarding those ministries. Please help me understand.

[@inTruthbyGrace]

it seems to me that after the fall of Judas, the appointment of Mattais and then the _calling_ of Paul is a parallel to the blessing of Manasseh and Ephraim, also grafted in after the fall of Reuben... and though it would be expected that Manasseh (being the elder) would get _the primary blessing as the elder_ , it was surprising that Ephraim would get the preeminence of Jacob's blessing, so too did Paul play a much bigger role in the historical ministry of Jesus Christ than Mattais. I also noticed that Jesus mentions "kicking against the pricks" which corresponds to the metaphorical language God voices about Ephraim in Hosea 10:11, and Jeremiah 31:18.. the rebellious ox under the yolk, like Paul's "kicking against the pricks" so maybe there is a parallel there.

[@erikgriffith8857]

Fascinating insight!

[@monicapatterson582]

What about the Bethel and them trying to do pray for resurrection of the baby from their church? What are your thoughts Mike?

[@adriennelarue465]

Can you talk about a modern day office of prophet too? I really appreciate your content. I've been realizing my views on the 5-fold ministry are not as Biblical as I previously thought.

[@JesusLovesBest]

I'd like a Pastor like you-- expounding on the Word* helps me and gives me more peace and spiritual food for the week ahead. You bless many, thanks! *In my experience it's really rare these past 15 yrs

[@christianbusch5499]

Coming from a former alcoholic (Praise be to God) the seeming desire of this crowd to go further and further, crossing boundaries and throwing much in terms of self-respect and integrity to the wind to seek more of an "experience" or a feeling strikes me as precisely something that could be described as addict behavior.

[@AME428]

"Feelings are like puppies sometimes they're great, sometimes they're not." You funny guy Pastor Mike. 😂

[@Nunu-_985]

I don't attend the church I was attending anymore - I had questions about certain things it was not received well. From he will not pray for someone because they did not tithe, he walks around the congregation saying that God is saying things to him regarding them and it appears to be true. To having to speak in tongues. I wanted to understand how this fits biblical as this is all new to me. My cell leader hurried me to go to church as he was going to pray for us to have a baby. I blindly went and let's just say the experience was not delightful. I don't wear jewelry, he kept asking if we are married (not joking) serious. Then tells the church we have to check he says my husband must come up reluctant my husband does, he asked if we still loved each other as I am not wearing a ring, are we sure we do. When my husband said more than 10 years he was taken aback by his expression. He placed his hands on us and said he just needed to get a feel, to connect with us (I was wondering why he didn't just ask). He said nothing but then told my husband that God has been speaking to him and he isn't listening and responding. He said nothing about me. Told us to go and have a baby. I discussed this but didn't mention his name or the church. As I am not attacking his character. Just had questions. I also wrote a lengthy story about a wedding ring and why I don't wear one and my identity as an individual. Without mentioning names. I read Jame 3:13-18 and James 4:11-12 have I violated this?

[@tristen7085]

You were manipulated. Leave that church go somewhere where you are accepted and have peace.

[@MariaGomez-fc8el]

Great teachings, brother. Although what I can't understand is what you mentioned about IHOPKC. I'm wondering if you've personally reached out to Mike Bickle or someone in IHOPKC... and why you'd come to the conclusion that they're getting "weirder and wierder". God bless

[@JesusLovesBest]

Trying to bring on another Revival like Azusa St. by human means. If it were like Azusa St. there would be very strong conviction over personal sin and a very humble spirit accompanying these works. Unbelievers would be drawn in supernaturally, the Word would be preached without compromise, a plainly presented Gospel lifting up Jesus and His saving blood. There's very little humility these days. Even in the churches.

[@terirodriguez1363]

Right on,,, no mention of "holiness and being a living sacrifice, take up our cross" now a days !!!

[@nickbarton3191]

Absolutely, this is the striking thing missing from this current movement since the Toronto blessing 1994. No conviction of sin by the Holy Spirit. I've been wanting to type a similar comment.

[@JesusLovesBest]

@@nickbarton3191 Sir Walter Jones is currently doing an expose on false teachers and prophets. Check it out and message me back if ya can

[@nickbarton3191]

@@JesusLovesBest I couldn't say if Bethel is heretical. I've been in churches influenced by this movement and heard Johnson speak several times. To an extent, the blessing helped me and others. Indeed, I was a proponent of it. But without good sound teaching and proclaiming the Word it's hollow and potentially dangerous. Decades ago now, before any of this, we were taught by sincere men of God that Spirit without Word blows people up. I'd like to see a balance restored. I miss the great men of the Word like Ern Baxter who I had the honour to hear teach over a whole week when I was young. I've been thinking recently that if there was a serious persecution how many of these millenials would stand without the solid teaching and doctrines. Would I ?

[@kristofferlindvall9285]

btw great channel and content :D it has definitely been a blessing to me.

[@MikeWinger]

+Kristoffer Lindvall Thanks Kristoffer, I will check out that channel. Have a great day!

[@theuncoveredlamp]

The question isn't how much sovereignty God has, but how much he exercises over our free will.

[@tomservo51]

Hi Mike, Have you seen the interview Micheal Brown did with Bill Johnson? They talk about the grave sucking. Thanks for the great videos

[@philipmacarilay7136]

Thank you brother! It really is a blessing

[@00carl46]

Looking forward to bingeing this series

[@stephanielink3021]

i want to start by saying i am blessed by your ministry, especially on cults and false teachers. I know you listen to Dr. James White, but wondered if you have ever listened to Matt Slick's reasons for Calvinism? Just wondering how you would despute his arguments? it is an in house debate, i am leaning more towards Calvinism but not sure about all five points. Maybe something for another video of yours. i love learning both sides and you articulate yourself well. thanks!

[@MikeWinger]

I haven’t heard Matt Slick on the topic yet. In my Romans series I do deal with Calvinism a lot in Romans 8 and 9. But I am always open to hear someone out. You can check it out on my Romans playlist.

[@daleenduplessis6794]

God predetermined that only those who believe in Christ will be saved therefore elect in Christ and He knew beforehand who would believe and who not - therefore elect acc to foreknowledge.

[@abbysharp9059]

12 apostles are linked to the 12 tribes, ie revelation and the,New Jerusalem. ♥️

[@dannylovesya2052]

I like Pastor Mikes preaching

[@WoundedEgo]

Actually, Mike, the main reason there had to be 12 is that Jesus established the twelve to judge the 12 tribes of Israel: "Mar 3:14 And he ordained ["established" εποιησεν] twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach,". In this context εποιησεν means that he "created a polity of the twelve". IE: a "ruling body". Mat_19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Luk_22:30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

[@kuzivaj.z]

On foreknowledge, the word doesn't only speak of a cognisant knowledge of something but an intimate love as we use it as a euphemism for sex. And to take it further, God's aseity, omniscience and omnipresence makes it so that nothing can occur without God's approval and thus He doesn't need to look into the future. He already knows it all for Has determined it all. Man may plan but God orders his steps. God doesn't need to wait for things to unravel

[@kuzivaj.z]

And a question on our freedom then comes in. What we are free to do is to sin which leads us to death but we are not free to choose God because we are dead in our sin. Without God's choosing noone would be going to heaven. No one is good, not one noone looks for God. Noone can come to the Father unless the Father draws him to Himself

[@garygraves4252]

Yes. Romans 8:29, which this man cites to refute unconditional election reads: “WHOM” He foreknew not “WHAT” He foreknew.

[@pvChrists-Bond.Servant]

As I listen the tune from a Petra song 🎵 I’m a pilgrim in a strange land heading for the homeland …

[@mauricewilsondaddybob1307]

Safety in the teaching of our Apostle Paul, men make things so complicated and fouled up is why we have denominations today.

[@sabrinabowden-hughes1730]

If pastors would just stick to the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the cross and the blood of Jesus Christ there wouldn't be a lot of confusion doesn't confusion come from the enemy God help us all

[@tyrencooper8893]

Hey Mike could you do a video or series on all the spiritual gifts and how they function now?

[@Declared-righteous]

A humble critique brother........First, thank you for the teaching. God has given you a gift and so continue and grow in that gift. Regarding Bethel, you are a kind man but clearly too gracious to Bill Johnson. He most certainly knows that glitter is coming out of the air vents. I think the sincerity in his voice is very appealing and can see why so many are deceived and why so many who disagree with him will look the other way or just look at the good while ignoring the bad. It is very possible that while he knows that glitter and feathers are fake, he justifies it in his mind and he thinks it helps people come closer to Jesus. Who knows?.....but given his errant theology he may very well believe that God needs a "kick start" before "true miracles" will take place. Whether this is the case or not, the man is deceived and taking others with him. Regarding Calvinism: I think you latched on to an errant view of faith and used that to refute the doctrine. Calvinists who know their theology do not believe that faith is a work. I will quote a modern day Calvinist RC Sproul Jr. to explain in hope that this helps: Is Faith a Work? FROM R.C. Sproul Jr. Sep 12, 2011 Category: Articles The Reformation was born out of the biblical conviction that a man is deemed just in the sight of God, forgiven, adopted, not on the basis of his own goodness, but on the basis of the goodness of Christ imputed to him. Not everyone, however, is blessed with this imputation, but only those who trust in that provision, and in that provision alone. The debate at that time, and to this day, has been characterized as faith versus works. Though Rome would not affirm, and indeed rightly condemns crass Pelagianism, the notion that we can earn God’s favor outside His grace, she does see a vital role for our personal righteousness, even while affirming that our righteousness is the result of grace at work in us, with which we must cooperate. In framing the debate as works versus faith, however, some miss the very nature of faith. One way to err on faith is in fact to turn it into a “work.” In this error we see “faith” as a substitute for our obedience. This view suggests that in the Garden God required total and complete obedience from us in order for us to be at peace with Him. When that failed, God graciously lowered His standard. Now all that He requires of us is that we trust in Him. The trouble with this view is that it wrongly makes faith the ground of our salvation. We stand before the throne of God and He asks why He should allow us into His kingdom. We boldly reply, “Because of my faith.” God then answers, “Faith? I love faith! People with faith, that’s just the kind of people I want to have around. By all means, come on in.” This error in the end is faith in faith, which faith will surely not save. It makes the cross gratuitous, which is blasphemy. A second error turns faith into a work, and therefore rejects it as vital to our salvation. This view rightly recognizes that it is ultimately the finished work of Christ alone that saves. It rightly affirms that a man is justified because his sins were punished at Calvary, and the obedience of Christ is his. This view rightly affirms solus Christus, by Christ alone. In order, however, to fence off the first error, to be certain we don’t look at our faith as meritorious, it denudes faith of its true nature, turning it into bare assent. This view defines saving faith as agreeing to the truthfulness of the gospel message. This error suffers from two key problems. First, in diminishing the nature of saving faith to bare assent it leaves room even for, in principle, the demons. James says even the demons believe, and shudder (2:19). That is, they know God exists, and hate what they know. It is possible to know something and hate what you know. You can know, you can believe, as the devil himself knows and believes, that Jesus died for sinners, and still not have faith. The second error here is that it doesn’t solve the problem. If we want to denude faith to be certain it doesn’t turn into a work, how does assent not become a work? Just as with true saving faith I am the one believing, trusting, resting, so even if it is mere assent I am the one assenting. In short, if faith is a work, why isn’t assent a work? We avoid both problems when we embrace the wisdom of our fathers, the Westminister Divines. In their Shorter Catechism they ask, “What is faith in Jesus Christ?” and answer, “Faith in Jesus Christ is a saving grace, whereby we receive and rest upon Him alone for salvation as He is offered to us in the gospel” (question 86). Faith is not a work on two counts. First, it is a gift from God. It is not just received by grace, but is a grace. Faith is something God gives to us. On our own it is not possible, for we are dead in our trespasses and sins. And note that our faith has a specific object- as He is offered to us in the gospel.” Second, faith, by its nature, is passive. We rest; we do not work. We receive; we do not earn. There is more to resting than mere assent, but there is not more work. Indeed there is no work at all, just resting and receiving the very ground of our salvation- the work of Christ for us. Rest. Receive. And rejoice.

[@bradjackson497]

Mike, your "graciousness" to Bill Johnson really weakens your credibility. I have been blessed by many of your teachings, but your refusal to call Bill Johnson (and his kind) a heretic, concerns me. Based on your own description, he is a false teacher. You can't really believe that Bill Johnson doesn't know where the glitter and feathers are coming from. He is extrabiblical in so many ways. Please pray on this. I look forward to a more enlightened critique.

[@Zilam]

@@bradjackson497 Just remember that this teaching was from 2015. Maybe in 2015, Mike didn't have a fuller understand of what Bill Johnson and crew were doing in Redding.

[@ChrisHolman]

Calvinism is not Biblical 🤦‍♂️ God knew who would be saved by foreknowledge but he did not choose who would be saved.

[@Thrawnmulus]

So god is not omnipotent then?

[@Thrawnmulus]

@Victor Makris if I listen to him will the holy spirit open my eyes so that all this paradoxical stuff suddenly disappears?

[@michaelsayad5085]

@Thrawnmulus Omnipotence does not entail the ability to do the logically impossible. It is logically impossible to create a being with free will and determine that that being will accept your free gift of Salvation. Remember that God is also Omnibenevolent and the god of Calvinism therefore is not God.

[@Thrawnmulus]

@@michaelsayad5085 so god is not omniscient then? It is entirely possible to create a creature with free will and know whether they will instantly screw over your 'perfect' creation or not.

[@Thrawnmulus]

@Scot .harvath so your god is not omnipotent?

[@ozzmap7]

what a wonderful study! Thank you so much for bringing it.

[@zock1975]

Tks for posting.... Sharing.... Listening to you in my pottery studio!

[@guitarplayer949597]

Congrats, Pastor. You've now joined the growing group in our American church culture, willing to throw stones... willing to pick apart segments of sermons as if you have full understanding. There was a group of people during Jesus' time doing the same thing. One major difference I see from the Bethel team is honor. They do not pick up stones towards those who have different beliefs/doctrines. Are you completely sure that you're not speaking against those that the Lord has anointed?

[@J_a_s_o_n]

Every Apostle also needs a Pastor. Think about it.... Jesus Christ was the Pastor of the 12 disciples. The strange happenings are westernized mostly on the Gifts to the church

[@SusanMorales]

I’m a little bit confused and disappointed to read what Wayne Grudem describes as the elect in Systematic Theology. I would love to understand this better if that’s not what was meant in the New Testament. Seems to portray God’s love differently to say He didn’t choose some people.

[@katiamissnersiegel4457]

Holy Bible, 2 John 9 : Anyone who does not stay with teaching of Christ, but goes beyond it, does not have God. Whoever does stay with the teaching has both the Father and the Son.

[@alyssa1888]

Could you put up more of your teachings vs by vs through all the books of the Bible?

[@aliceobukhova7604]

God desires all men be saved. That’s word... Not all choose God. God knows already who will accept His glorious invitation as He is in Eternity.

[@coreybrackett9194]

God bless you brother Mike

[@victorcritelli5790]

I never understood how having faith robs Gods Glory, I do however feel if no free will at all is involved it robs Gods righteousness

[@josefschlintl7673]

Hallo, I would like to ask, which bible translation do you use? Best Regards, Josef

[@shayhansen1265]

Pretty interesting to see mikes views on eternal security change since these old videos

[@imjustalittleguy]

What about 1Co. 12:27-31? I think this debunks your perception of what that movement calls Apostles. You mention that an apostle means sent?... Bethel and other Churches in Christ and our brothers as such don't use the title Apostle as you state, but instead as someone who trains, mentors, and sends out. Someone who pastors look to as a mentor and authority because of their walk with Jesus. It's just another office of the Body of Christ, not some mythical seat of power that seeks to own the church. Honestly, out of curiosity i listened to a few of these videos, and it seems that you start okay but then take a hard left towards sounding more like "Ancient Aliens" and conspiracy theory than actual theology. I bless the spirit of God in you and your ferverence for seeking truth and hope that you come to a place of teaching whatever is wholesome and uplifting in sound doctrine without having to attack and accuse your brothers to gain a seat at the table where you already had a place.

[@simonschwegler9970]

@mike i was there on a friday some years ago when the glory cloud was there. But im pretty sure that it was glitter, cause glitter happened also in a athor church where bill preached at his friends church

[@simonschwegler9970]

And I wholly needed to repent for the real truth of wrath and love togethet than living that hippie stuff love

[@randalwdeese]

1 Corinthians 9:1 does not prove that Apostle Paul was making a case for a general qualification for an apostle. That would be reading into the text something that isn't clear at all. It is just as valid to say that his critics were trying to disqualify him based upon what they had heard about the pre-qualifications for choosing Matthias. All Paul is doing is meeting his critics at their level by saying, if that is what you think is the pre-qualification for an apostle, then I fit that qualification as well. The fact is, he would not have qualified based upon the full criteria stated in Acts 1. Scripture nowhere teaches that the Gift of Apostle was too cease anymore than Scripture teaches that speaking in tongues is to cease. Can both be abused? Absolutely. I think that is is wise not to throw the baby out with the bath water. Disclaimer: Not everyone who claims to be an apostle is one anymore than anyone who claims to be a pastor is necessarily one. Blessings

[@sven179]

I want to clarify the debate a little, not get people angry or anything (as I have a tendency of getting, to be honest). I think the issue is why God chose certain individuals. Did He choose them based on something in them (e.g. foreseen faith) - that would lead to Arminianism. Or did He choose them because of His own purposes, but not based on anything in the people chosen - that would lead to Calvinism. Foreknowing has a different meaning in both systems - in the former it means foreseen faith (along with some other things perhaps), in the latter it is a loving act to enter into a relationship with the individual (looking at the OT background in Jeremiah 1). I hope the following comment is helpful: Calvinist also say that God tells people to repent. No one could possibly deny that, the calls are all over Scripture. The issue is whether the natural man is able to repent in his fallen, dead-in-sin state, or is it so that "no one can come to [Jesus] unless the Father who sent [Jesus] draws him" (John 6:44)? Also, can I ask one question? What makes a free will choose God or not choose God? It seems you're asserting that it operates outside of God's decree, meaning God does not determine its outcome. But thank you for posting this study: your teachings have been beneficial for me and I am glad you speak so kindly and truthfully. God bless!

[@filips1218]

couple of issues/false statements in your comment: • "I think the issue is why God *chose* *certain individuals*." • "Did He *choose* them based on something in them (e.g. foreseen faith)" • "Or did He choose *them* because of His own purposes" • "but not based on anything in the *people chosen* " • "in the former it means foreseen faith" • "a loving act to enter into a relationship with the individual" • "The issue is whether the natural man is able to repent in his fallen, dead-in-sin state" • "no one can come to [Jesus] unless the Father who sent [Jesus] draws him" out of context - danger OWN IMPLICATION What does "chose/choose/loving act" mean in the biblical context(e.g eph 1 etc.) and "certain individuals/them/people chosen" ? "the natural man is able to repent" → God commads now to all men to repent. John 6: 40 → John 6:45 → John 6:51 → John 3:16 → John 6:63-65(J12:32) → Rom 10:14-21 → Romans 3:21-31(→Romans 2:4) God knows everything.

[@sven179]

filip s Sorry, but making a list of my statements and calling them 'false statements' does not actually prove they are false. Sadly, I see little interaction with what I've said before, to be honest. And just as a sidenote: there is no christian who does not say that "God knows everything." I heartily agree. The why He knows everything is the issue here.

[@filips1218]

"but making a list of my statements and calling them 'false statements' does not actually prove they are false." I gave enough proof that your statements are wrong. you didn't understand it and I'm not gonna explain everything in details as if I'm talking to a child or teenager. And I gave you further help to understand it, but you ignored it, I cite myself: "What does "chose/choose/loving act" mean in the biblical context(e.g eph 1 etc.) and "certain individuals/them/people chosen" ?" God knows everything, because thats God's own definition and testified in scripture for us to know, so we don't need to make up human explanations about it.....

[@sven179]

filip s Simply asking a question and referring to one Bible passage does not, in fact, mean that you gave 'further help to understand it,' far from it. But I understand you do not want to continue this discussion, and I will not push you to do so.

[@filips1218]

I avoid discussions with people who are not willing to think and understand what has been said.

[@bill_y4762]

On a serious note Mike! Or commentors. If you do not believe in modern apostles. Then who were people like Martin Luther, George Whitefield, John Wesley, and others who God used to start entire movements and start revivals?? The appear to be “sent ones” to me. They appear to fit that part of the definition of “apostle”. At least the lowercase a in the sense of sent ones. If they are not sent ones how did they accomplish so much for God??!?’

[@miltonwetherbee5489]

On the predestination segment, and I want everyone to know that I don't really know what the Christian doctrine is on this, or if I'm in any way close, but a thought I had is that maybe it's talking about God choosing to create us in the first place in addition to us choosing him. If we pretend time travel is possible, and someone goes back a couple hundred years, that person's interaction could cause minor changes that prevent some purple from being born and other people who don't exist currently to be born just but interfering with the timing of people's relationship to each other. Those people never existing mean that an of their descendants no longer exist, and the other people coming into existence mean you now have relationships that couldn't have existed before the time travel happened. Very quickly you get a world that had none of the people is currently does. Similarly, if God had created this world ever so slightly different from what he did, we wouldn't be here at all. Being omniscient, He would know all the variants of His creation, and He chose the one that includes me, the one that includes you, the one that includes every other person that has ever lived, is currently living, and will live in the future. Exactly why this world of people as opposed to a world of different people we can't say, but He chose us, now we just have to decide if we want to choose Him.

[@christopherskipp1525]

How does one search youboob to find posters by name? Thank you for any feedback.

[@paulsmith8065]

Mike here’s a question. According to your understanding of foreknowledge of God ( does God foreknow everyone)??? Everyone meaning everyone that has existed in the past and will ever exist future.

[@elijahhernandez3934]

God knows who will exist in the future, and He knows everyone who existed in the past or still exist.

[@a_mustache_of_great_repute]

Uh... thats necromancy and they need to knock that off.

[@a_mustache_of_great_repute]

@Rainbow Kitsch can't take them too seriously lol. Don't want them to feel valid

[@BereanFellowship]

This sermon should be entitled "the gospel according to the flesh"

[@kuzivaj.z]

About Calvanism Pastor Mike I think you misunderstand some things, maybe there are some Calvanists that ascribe to what you have expressed but. It's not about seeing faith as a work, it's about the fact that dead man cannot choose God without being regenerated

[@kuzivaj.z]

And glory comes to God because He makes dead man alive again. And many are called but only a few are chosen. So your wife may have not been the only woman you courted, but in the end she is the one that was chosen

[@yahruachson2786]

There is a group of people who's names were written in the Book of Life. But were erased or blotted out. Most likely because of choices they made.

[@johnfarver2069]

Great lesson once again, thanks so much......God bless !

[@bulimosavatia3639]

I am blessed all through. I changed my ming from ''firebrand'' pentecostalism to Calvinism. I wouldn't have known some things if I hadn't encountered Pastor winger and other Calvinistic teachers. The scripture seems new and sweet.

[@Blue2000q]

Hey i think uou wold likea teacher zac poonen he isnt a Calvinism but he has really good teachings

[@bulimosavatia3639]

@@Blue2000q Thank you , sir. I am deeply blessd

[@bulimosavatia3639]

@@Blue2000q I am blessed, brother.

[@Blue2000q]

@@bulimosavatia3639 and i am blessed to hear that

[@J_a_s_o_n]

@@Blue2000q sadly Calvinism is a false and UNBIBLICAL doctrine.

[@alanylizardo]

when mike said period .... i CACKLED

[@leaterry1504]

Although I don't agree with everything Bethel teaches, to be fair I heard an interview with Bill Johnson where he said he does not agree with grave soaking. He said some of the students were doing that and when he found out, he corrected them and told them to stop it. Let's not make false accusations. Has anyone ever heard him actually teach that it's ok? I would like to know.

[@christking85]

And what about the rest? You should do more research. I have seen him talk about the benefits of it so which do I believe now? Also do you think students of his in different countries all came up with that by themselves?

[@tristen7085]

His wife was doing it too and she is in picture laying on Graves to get the anointing.

[@brucewhitfield8493]

The foundations were laid ....you do not relay foundations

[@allthethingsyouwillsee1081]

Thanks Pastor Mike

[@reylambarte5615]

What makes calvinism hard to believe is because of freewill that is believe by many is given to all men. My question is where in the bible we can read that unbelievers are given the previledge of freewill by God. An unbeliever has no way to know God unless God opens his heart to know Him.

[@aservant2287]

Great word Mr. Mike. All truth