Modern Ryu Better Than Classic?! [Stream Highlights 133]

[@PvtPotato92]

half the reason i like videos with modern players is the scrub quotes in the comments. people get so mad and then type whole essays trying to explain that they're not

[@waldangerous912]

It makes some of these players so MAD, like... Are they alright?

[@lukelaser5397]

I'm not mad at all. Modern is for people who have no hand eye coordination. Can't do a simple input etc. You all have assisted controls and we all know it. So you can keep acting like you are good when in reality you are carried and the entire sf community is laughing at you. Get good with classic control you scrubs.

[@IngeniusSoul]

I spent a very large majority of my games in Modern and reached master and stabilized at 1350~1400 MR and recently switched to classic for maybe 2 months now and stabilized at 1430 ~1450. I spent 1 or 2 months in classic a first time around october I think. But everything else was modern Ryu. So I have a good understanding of what it implied to me to play both controls. First, switching to classic did not make me lose rank. Not at all for the first 2 weeks. I then started learning new techs, which made me playing worse for the beginning, but quickly paid off. So, based on my experience, I could say that if what I'm able to do is mostly dued to being assisted, the logic conclusion would be that switching to classic, I would lose everything making my game assisted and then suck. It did not happen at all to me. Which is not enough to have a straight conclusion, it's not enough evidence. But I witnessed it first hand. I don't know how true it is in low ranks. It's probably more true, as the execution is a bigger issue that plays a bigger role. But at a high skill level, it seems way less accurate. The part of execution decreases as you improve. I think that what makes you a very great sf6 player is only in a very small part the execution, where it relies more early on. The mind games, decision making, adaptation, footsies, play a bigger role in high skill level. All of em are not assisted by modern controls. What modern controls will provide you is an instant DP and instant super. This is assisted, but this is only a small part. What is intriguing is the consequences on the flow of the game. There is one Modern hate argument I think is not a valid point, it's "you can't jump on a modern". Yes, that's true. And I like it. In classic, you are way more vulnerable to gimmick neutral skips and chaotic jumps. This means that attacking you will be easier. Against Modern, you can't be out of solution and bet on a neutral skip like a dive kick or whatever. You have to earn what you gain. I personnally appreciated a lot playing modern, because I rlly rlly felt how more grounded the game was. The fact a Cammy just can't dive kick on you like that, it makes her having to work to solve neutral. As a huge fan of footsies, I appreciated that a lot, and I think that unless you don't have an elite anti air game, Modern will channel the game into a more grounded footsies game, and that's a very welcome thing to me. I don't know, everybody has his preferences. But it definitely sparks more joy to me to play the footsies. I'm still gonna play classic just to have a better understanding of what it changes. In the end, I feel a Modern game is how an elite classic game should look like but at every skill level. Just, don't jump on me like that or I'll anti-air you. Doing a motion input doesn't make me feel more rewarded. It's now so automatic that it's as rewarding as pressing a button. What makes me feel rewarded is when I feel I outplayed my opponent. Not lost against my own poor execution. It's a philosophy that had Rising Thunder, and THE reason why this is with its devs that Riot decided to partner with. 2XKO will have 0 execution and a lot of people will like it. Because it makes you engaged in interactions with your opponent. Not against your own controls.

[@Nortsan197]

too long didnt read

[@needlessToo]

I'm keep trying to tell people to play Modern and for some reason there is a resistance to it. No, it won't make you a bad player, no it's not cheap, no there won't issues when you transition to Classic. Modern is PERFECT for learning the game and most players don't know shit about the game. Being able to do classic combos or being able to DP doesn't make you a good player either. Fighting games are all about tactics and how you apply your skills. Modern lowers the skill barrier and allows you to learn the real game, the mind game that you must learn to get good. If someone is talking shit about Modern you can safely assume they are scrubs.

[@IngeniusSoul]

@@Nortsan197 I didn't need to know that but thx for the info

[@CKibbles]

Modern is the easy button. Motion controls provide a challenge. Still, I like your reasoning on how Modern opponents force players to stay grounded and play footsie or risk losing.

[@IngeniusSoul]

@@CKibbles Yes, I don't deny at all it provides a challenge, it provides a choice, am I gonna DP or not risk to take the jump it, and also, if people are saying they're having fun with it, well they are, only them can judge. So well, let the consumer be judge. However, I got a reasoning. Because the motion inputs provide a challenge (and a mental stack), they have to pull this mental stack from elsewhere. So they have to make everything else around less mental stacking. That's why I kinda like the approach 2XKO is taking, removing motion inputs. It may allow to design the game more dense everywhere motion controls are not involved. If it's for a more dense footsies, mind games, etc, that's cool to me

[@mellomoose_]

i dont even pay attention to others control type lol

[@ixm3]

How does he get that microwalk dp after that heavy hasho launch?

[@Andre-Souza]

2:46 combo

[@khaledPortgas]

Oh bri, is infexious back ????

[@demavendd]

still amazed by how different the modern matchup is compared to classic. Game turns into a crawl but its so satisfying to crack their defense

[@brunos5236]

who did bro get this volume in the soundtrack when playing ? mine is so low, and i cant make this lauder

[@anovarelamrani9612]

Im a proud modern ken masher

[@funkyluvit]

Ken Master Masher

[@sparkybig9799]

I just saw a video where a man was sitting in a car covered in chocolate and saying”I’m the Easter bunny,I’m the Easter bunny “!!

[@kennychan2599]

Like Jimmy respects the players

[@AlwaysInnaHoodie]

Jimmy vs Evil Ryu

[@Zeegoku1007]

Ryu loses standing High kick in modern and that's one of his essential buttons imo, for punish counters and combo extensions for high damage etc...

[@graemesfitness6032]

At last he's here

[@FrankJoseFigueroaFerrer-m7r]

Didnt Modern Ryu not have solar plexus?

[@lush3161]

He does have it

[@vaggelisbasoukas7928]

THEY MADE RYU A SLOWWALKING SACK OF SH1T !! COMPETIVELLY. IF THEY DO NOT BUFF HIM IN SPEED AND AT HIS RECOVERY FRAMES HE WILL ONLY BE REMEMBERED FOR HIS SSF4 DAYS

[@noahmatt4476]

Ryu is top tier…. If you wanna play rush down play Ken.

[@annoyedhitsuji2865]

zowie mama

[@hypersonic3019]

As someone who plays on modern controls mostly i gotta say that the way he was playing modern ryu wasnt good.

[@RenatoFontes]

Dude what? Is your MR above 1800? 😂😂😂😂

[@hypersonic3019]

@@RenatoFontes anyone who has deep dived into modern Ryu knows that the way he was playing wasn't good.

[@ПавелКалинин-х8м]

Every modern charactrer (execpt Dhalsim) is better than classic.

[@Extreme11]

Blatantly false, Modern’s damage nerf and the exclusion of moves make it so much harder to successfully accommodate strategies with

[@ПавелКалинин-х8м]

@@Extreme11 yeah yeah... tell these tales to people who never played the game.

[@erno6155]

Modern taking over Fgc, light work

[@lush3161]

So everyone here loses to modern players? Lul

[@FlaskPotion]

Yea, and thats why here is like a fire pit for them to hug each other and complain&cry over the same thing together. btw they are casual player but complaining like they're PROs or something.

[@Mr2scoops357]

Modern controls is the equivalent of training wheels

[@balrawg5990]

It all started when they removed 1-Frame-Links

[@philb707]

Literally what I tell guys online lol

[@blr72]

@@balrawg5990 ther are still 1 frame links tho? They were shown off in this very video. 6Hp-->2Mp is a 1 frame link. I'm sure other characters have them too, but at least Ryu has 1 or 2 1 frame links.

[@josephgiambalvo3822]

​​@@blr72Incorrect. While yes, 6HP hit confirm leaves someone at +6, and 2MP is 6 frame start-up, there's an 8 frame "buffer window" that SF6 has built-in allowing easy combos. I can constantly hit this 2-move link by just mashing 2MP on hit confirm.

[@gradius22]

@@josephgiambalvo3822 I believe the buffer window is 4F plus (5F total window including the frame-perfect input) but yeah, either way there are no normal links that require frame-perfect timing in the same way that SF4 had. There are still a handful of juggle situations in the game that require very tight timings, not sure if any are 1F exactly.

[@strumbox87]

Using Modern controls isn’t playing the game imo

[@StroggwarriorBR]

cry some more.

[@Hoodini1417]

the only annoying thing about modern are the one button supers since you can just react to any drive impact attempt when you’re in the corner. other than that, modern is not more advantageous than classic

[@land_njr11]

Tell ur a scrub without telling me ur a scrub lol

[@peterszalai6056]

watch lil bronze player bro shittalking infexious lol

[@strumbox87]

@@Hoodini1417 they got you believing that? There should be one way to play universally, I get some characters are stronger than others but to play with any input being easier is garbage

[@maga451]

Infexious modern scrub haha

[@Cloud-zc6xe]

Infexious is a has been, using modern and all, turned into a little girl as he got older, pfft

[@mdz_jimmy]

lol

[@nickchan2310]

Still better than Jimmy man lol

[@AllFlashNoDash]

Funny seeing baby controls users telling people to get good, or that people are scrubs. You're playing with assisted controls. 😂😂😂. Maybe you should hit the training room and not have your hand held. Modern reactions, 😆😆😆.