Modern Vs Classic Street Fighter 6

[@acaracaraorange7685]

I really love how approachable the modern era of fighting games is. I've talked to a lot of people that got into fighting games because of Strive and its more beginner friendly feel, and I'd imagine SF6 with modern controls will do that even more. Really good video! Subbed

[@MaximumObesity]

Yeah, I think with a lot of the new changes more people are getting into the FGC than ever before. Also thank you!

[@Sukaiba69]

By now a lot of the newblood has left because as it turns out: Easier combos = Others/Pros ALSO get to clap you easier And people used to being held by the hand shrivel up the moment they are released

[@hmompoint]

I remember reading that the SF6 director said that the point of modern controls is for beginners to get used to the feel of SF6 until they feel comfortable enough to learn the classic style controls. Just my opinion but i really do feel like the pro players that are defending modern controls are completely missing the point. They're likely enjoying the ease of modern inputs being allowed in tournaments or, those who aren't, are unwilling to rock the boat in the discussion. The thumbnail of this video really says it all. Modern controls brings relatively quick and easy victory with low mental stress, while classic will stress you out and make defeat more likely in the name of integrity. Much like griffith and guts represent in their Manga respectively.

[@MaximumObesity]

I think this is one of the most positive responses I've heard to the debate. I agree.

[@shamfyre]

I dont think playing modern means a lack of integrity, even for advanced players using it. Lowering the execution barrier and making inputs/combos more reliable can make it easier not to be overwhelmed in tough situations, but whats actually wrong with that? At the highest levels of pretty much any game you're not generally seeing the most technical or difficult to play characters, youre seeing ones that can be used reliably and with good utility.

[@DualitySmith]

I’m just gonna say this, Modern greatly shortens/eliminates the human error when doing moves. Like I could mess up a lv3 and throw the match, but a modern player can crank out a super quickly almost without error.

[@thaistomp]

Yup. It eliminates human error. Shouldn’t be allowed 💯

[@gregorymirabella1423]

@@thaistomp is that sarcasm?

[@EAprima]

Ie. Cheat mode. Learning curve eliminated.

[@gregorymirabella1423]

@EAprima Is it really cheating if you have a 20% damage penalty?

[@lavrentii-kolotushkin]

​@@gregorymirabella1423Damage penalty doesn't matter, losing lots of option does

[@giovannavongola3073]

The curious thing is: I have seen many videos on the topic of Modern controls. Beginner tier players don't mind Modern, because they either need it, don't care, or will use Classic from the start. They are simply trying the game as it is. They'll either move past others using it, or possibly reflect in the pros and cons as time goes on and switch. Intermediate tier players (may) care because of the experience of fighting against them, (instant response, Supers, Critical Arts, etc.) which is frustrating when you view the people beating you as being inexperienced and these Modern players being carried by the controls. I don't necessarily agree, but I can empathize how demoralizing it may be if you're on the receiving end. I'm sure at this level, they want new people to put the time and effort they had to, and the idea of a "shortcut" makes them feel invalidated. Since Modern controls to Classic aren't a 1 to 1, that also invites the "they wouldn't beat me with Modern controls" mindset. In a equal playing field (i.e. Bronze vs Bronze), that boost in execution of moves would probably tip the scales. Eliminating the "thinking" part of execution does count for a lot. And of course, Master-level Professional tier players don't care even more because it's the 10% of players who go to tournaments and win the big bucks. Now, they are Professional players now who will use Modern will come up eventually, but it'll probably still be niche. (I never thought of Mental Stack, but it does identify an issue I've had with fighting Modern players when I've been in bad situations. Everything you've mentioned is probably right.) The only people who "lose" here is the Intermediate tier players who feel cheated because of the feeling of "instant combos" and "instant CA" punishing them when they know the Modern players would not be able to punish them otherwise. The only "advice" they get is to just "get good" when it is not that simple. I know that is the mantra of Fighting Games, but it ain't very helpful to those people. I know as a community, we want to welcome others (and to be frank I don't agree with the detractors in this video) but don't forget about the people who are already here. Being disparaging isn't going to change peoples' minds, but all I've seen is people making fun of anyone bringing up issues, whether valid or not. It is interesting, though.

[@kingofdragons7]

The people complaining are crybaby scrubs who need to get better

[@Jodeo-ck2pq]

This is my big issue, and why I have been playing Tekken recently and not Street Fighter. Almost nobody I run across in Tekken uses simple, but in SF6 modern is everywhere. And exactly like you said, it sucks for me as someone who is learning this genre for the first time to finally learn different concepts and apply them, string together simple combos, play more consciously, just for someone mashing one button to combo half my life bar away when I know without modern, their punish would convert into a fraction of that. At this point I feel like I am working so much harder for the same result. I'm learning frame punishes, anti-airs, managing my bars, pokes, footsies, movement, throw tech, and all of this other stuff, and this guy I am fighting can just ignore the most difficult part of that learning, implementing damaging combos, put that on auto pilot, and get huge payout from pressing 2 buttons 6 times, where I would have to have 30 well time inputs for that same result. It just feels like I am allowed to make less mistakes, both in combo execution and whiff punishes, than my opponent, which sucks and makes me not want to play.

[@kingofdragons7]

@@Jodeo-ck2pq i'm sorry but modern controls doesn't allow them to do combos with one button, if they are beating you it's because they have more skill than you, doesn't matter if it's modern or classic controls

[@kingofdragons7]

@@Jodeo-ck2pq modern control players still need to learn everything you do, pokes, footsies and all the fundamentals, modern controls only makes special moves easier to do, it doesn't make anyone good at the game

[@kingofdragons7]

@@Jodeo-ck2pq you're blaming modern controls instead of improving your skill issue

[@CalebAdams]

Very well done video man! Some good editing and insightful information. Keep it up!

[@MaximumObesity]

Thanks! That means a lot!

[@Mechadyne_0]

I think Modern mode is fine, but they should make you commit to the damage reduction when using it online. Like, “You wanna overcome the execution barrier and have invincible supers on a single button press? Ok, but you’re gonna eat damage loss.” I think it’s nuts that if you perform the inputs manually, it allows Modern players to maintain full damage, but still have invincible reversals at the press of a button.

[@doggosuchwow1593]

WHAAAATTTT they get full damage?? Are you serious or capping? I play classic and never knew that.

[@dipskii]

@@doggosuchwow1593 They get full damage if they do the motion input. If they use the special button (special+heavy for supers), their special move/supers do 20% less damage.

[@j.i.nthenobody54]

@@dipskiiso essentially, the game rewards them for using classic inputs

[@dipskii]

@@j.i.nthenobody54 yes. if you want your combos on modern to do the same damage as classic, you'll need to use motion inputs.

[@princesschelsea1687]

Underrated content. Keep it up. Hope to see your channel get more traction

[@MaximumObesity]

Thank you!!

[@biglaodam]

The only issue I think that is not addressed is if you're not a pro players it's difficult to fight modern control players. Obviously the pros can adjust but if you a silver or gold player we Obviously don't adjust like the pros so it's very difficult to beat a modern player of the same rank.

[@BlueLightningSky]

But you don't have to be a pro to counter them, this is like complaining an easy character exists in the game and we've had easy characters in fighting games for a long time. You think a silver or gold player on classic would rather fight a modern Luke or a classic down back Guile or Dhalsim that knows how to play that character? It's just another character that you have to deal with.

[@blueperseverance3912]

@@BlueLightningSky it's not about the easier character but about the concept of accessibility and fairness. Why would I fight someone in rank as a beginner who is also a the same level of knowledge of me but has dumbed down easy to access controls and combos on top of one button press reversals and supers but I don't. Or are we gonna drop the git good elitism dilemma? I am a firm believer that modern controls should not be allowed in rank nor tournaments since it defeats their initial design purpose of being a introduction point to new players and turning into some kind of exploit no matter the drawbacks that it comes with it.

[@DOODOOBUTT_]

Just spam grab and jump. Become the scrub. Majority of people I ran into used modern controls and spammed drive rush/special moves so I started jumping in carelessly like a new player and mixing in throws.

[@rheawelsh4142]

Bait the wakeup bullshit out and don't jump in too much, a lot of them at lower ranks like to spam one move in specific situations to catch you off guard and once you can recognize it and punish they'll usually start playing more carefully

[@Nacogdoches86]

@@blueperseverance3912wouldn’t the get good apply to you as well??? No matter if you play modern or classic u have to get good and you have to learn how to play the game and learn how to read. Playing modern don’t mean you automatically great at the game. Someone who couldn’t do inputs now can do it in one button but they knew how to footisie and read. Look at ltg yes he can do combos and do the inputs but he still lose a lot. All modern do is close the gap so ppl who know how to do the inputs can quit saying they are good when they really not

[@jonathanrios8316]

Phenomenal video. Earned a subscriber and thank you, thank you, thank you. I have trying to make my friends who play sf6 with me understand why I switched to modern. I have always struggled with mental stack and especially consistent execution. I switched to modern when I realized that was the purpose. It by NO MEANS makes wins easier to come by however, like you so accurately explained, modern allows me to execute consistently and focus primarily on the game's core mechanics. I have been having a blast playing with modern online because I feel like I am fighting my opponent, not fighting my opponent along with my controls. i can't tell you how many times I have dropped combos on a perfect punish opportunity because I messed up an input. That is not fun to me. Modern gets rid of that issue.

[@nubstick1980]

the one thing modern gives over classic is a way out of certain checkmate scenarios, if your burned out in a corner you know at some point that drive impact is coming with a meaty setup or other setup, and nothing you can do on classic but on modern as long as you have super you have an easy escape.

[@MaximumObesity]

The same is true for classic. Yeah it’s one button on modern, but it’s not that hard to super on reaction to drive impact. Like all things, it just takes practice modern or not. Or grab. Which works too.

[@nubstick1980]

@@MaximumObesity i would love for that to be true, but their is almost zero pros doing super reacts in check mate scenarios on classic maybe if they di on wake up or just mash it, throw does not work if you do the meaty setup with it only if you do the DI with no setup

[@MaximumObesity]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@nubstick1980it is true, clearly you’re not the biggest fan of modern which is fine. I like both. Pro or not, modern or not it’s still something you have to be aware of and practice in order to counter consistently. If you can’t, it’s just a skill issue. That’s all I have to say on the matter. Enjoy your day.

[@nubstick1980]

@@MaximumObesity i mained modern ryu to master recently and switched to classic for ryu because the combo dmg routes are actually easier, i have no problem with modern in concept but being able to negate a situation is not a skill issue i have not seen a single pro actually react to burn out in corner checkmate scenario where you just mental stack the person if pros on classic cant do it in tournaments then its not a skill issue.

[@MaximumObesity]

@@nubstick1980 kzbin.info/www/bejne/n17OeHtqq7l5jZo heres someone reacting to it. While being burned out in the corner. With super. If he hadn't, he'd have died. If you're talking about this ultra specific checkmate scenario then you're not going to see everyone react to it 100% of the time hence the name, but mid tournament someone burned out in the corner for TNS 12 kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqvHd2N4rNCGhc0 0:32 in he reacts to a setup with throw in the corner. 11:25 super react mid screen to a chun-li loop into drive impact with super. 26:31 jump in corner. 44:16 nephew gets caught with it on modern, showing that modern players can't react 100% of the time either even with meter. 1:08:16 JP counters it with his counter. All of these are from a random tournament I pulled up and a random tiktok I saw the other day. It's not the easiest thing to do, and yes it's easier on modern. I've even done it a few times with Luke. But impossible for the average player let alone pros? Absolutely not. It's a skill issue. Always has been. No hate to you or anyone else personally. But it is doable. Leaving it here for anyone else who may have the same misconception.

[@EdMinhuk]

I'm going back to SF3, and everybody have fun where they wants. Don't boring me with that again. Have fun guys!

[@akumaisreal2090]

I keep hearing people say "one button supers" but unless i'm doing something wrong, they've never been one button. the special moves are one button

[@punchyrivera]

I love the air gear music @10:03

[@Myloe]

I really loved this video, you really explained every facet of the big picture surrounding Modern and Classic controls nicely. This topic is one that I've involved myself in quite a bit since SF6 has come out, because I truly believe there isn't a control scheme that's better than the other. At least not in the level of play most people are working with. Nobody should feel lesser for playing what works better for them, and nobody should be hurtful towards players using control schemes that were designed for players like them to get into a new genre of game they haven't tried before. Modern controls are beautiful, and as far as classic players go, they shouldn't worry about it. If you get beat by modern controls, and claim that's the only reason you lost; Modern controls aren't what you should be worried about haha. I rambled a bit here, but great video. I really liked it!

[@JoshDoes]

Fantastic video, well edited for a small channel. Fantastic work.

[@Vronkof]

What an awesome video, good narrative, excellent content, wonderful voice, keep it up, no homo.

[@MaximumObesity]

Thank you! Much appreciated!

[@NoNsToPxs]

damn, this is nice video. Gonna sub for other content

[@MaximumObesity]

Thank you! Much appreciated

[@egontokessy1610]

Good video and you got a subscriber. I like both control schemes. What do you think about Dynamic?

[@MaximumObesity]

Thank you! I think what they did with Dynamic was fine as you can't use it online. But it's a nice way to get someone who wouldn't be able to touch the game at all, to try it with a group of friends in a local setting.

[@jaydotdeep]

Solid breakdown. Informative af bro.

[@MaximumObesity]

Very much appreciated bro 🙏 wanted to make sure I put in as much info as possible

[@Gingernatorthelord]

Modern controls I find are just easier and more accessible to the general audience, I use classic because of my time with street fighter4, and I'm still young.

[@gerardesc7221]

Man I feel bad with this situation. On one side I'm glad that Modern exists because it brings a new player base to the fgc, on the other hand I feel discouraged because those fights get boring. Let me put it this way, I'm going to get a hitbox arcade to try it out, my inputs will be better and I'll get land more attacks. Is it valid to use in this game? Yes. Will it be an even playing field? Definitely not.

[@cartoonworld1000]

If you're both playing on classic controls and one person is using an arcade stick and one is using a stickless layout, there is no advantage. You're playing on what is comfortable for you. I used to use arcade stick all the time, until I switched to a hitbox because after playing SF for 20+ years my wrist pain couldn't let me execute my moves on stick without the pain, now I've just transferred my knowledge of the game to my hitbox and it works better for me, but you still have to get adjusted to it from regular stick. The point being two knowledge people playing the game on both an arcade stick and a hitbox, it doesn't necessarily mean one or the other is going to win or has a better chance, it's about their fundamentals and how they play during the match. A pad player could easily beat a stick or hitbox player, as long as they have the skill they can do it. Everything comes with practice and determination.

[@gerardesc7221]

@@cartoonworld1000 Man I left this comment a long time ago, but looking back on it I remember thinking I had trouble with the inputs on SF6. I remember seeing a lot of people getting frustrated with the inputs and a leverless controller seemed to do the trick. I haven´t played with a stick now but I don´t think I would change my mind with the subject. If I saw a guy playing with a stick I wouldn´t think there is a very tiny window for that person to make a mistake unless like someone with a leverless controller.

[@Alwaysgotsneaks]

I believe it really just comes down to whatever controls you use, just adjust your play style in order to win. I was getting mad at modern controls for a while but once you learn their game plan it's an easy fix if you are willing to adapt. That being said...what is the song you use through out the video? lol

[@milesharris249]

If a player doesn't want to learn the game and make short cuts, he can play an anime arena fighter or something

[@the_nerd_showtv5562]

I'm a modern player because I'm new to fighing game, but now that I've seen this tumbnail, I can't be anymore. Classics are to many to be called controls, massive, thick, heavy, and far too rough. Inded, they are like a heap of raw iron, and that's why I will learn them.

[@MaximumObesity]

@@the_nerd_showtv5562 ☠️☠️☠️ making the thumbnail was my favorite part, hope you’re eventually able to learn classic! But if you end up only using modern that’s perfectly fine too

[@chriswolf9063]

The issue with Modern Controls is like playing Devil May Cry on Auto and let the game play itself for you and throw out moves randomly and some that might be beneficial and deal a ton of damage. In street fighters case, like Ed for example some of the moves and unique attacks are locked unless you playing classic controls. Modern Controls is made specifically to give new fighting game players, not just new Street fighter players, training wheels and when you are ready you can switch to classic at any given time. If you are still playing street fighter with modern Controls, I'm sorry but you are hopeless and might as we play a different fighting game. But hey what do I know?

[@lavrentii-kolotushkin]

Ed keeps most of his tools in Modern, if Modern seems to be "autoplaying" for you then you're the one playing the different game

[@Nerozero9]

Update im using modern on some characters cause theyre... good! Fun even to make sure i make the sweatys sweat i even use the inputs to do more damage i definitely do a bunch of games and training with classic but i like the combo assist being able to not pop the supers and the real winner u can do the inputs and still do 100%. Like Aki i use classic for sure and others but the modern man gaming is fun kinda unfair at times but that incentive to the inputs and learn is nice ive been having a good time and i only wanted to get in cause i love Terry bogard and im excited to see how his classic and modern plays

[@TheCoachTex]

Modern controls are probably best first defensive play. Having a cross cut dp available with ease makes jump ins harder than classic

[@Nacogdoches86]

I been playing since sf2 and I still suck an inputs and what not. Ken and ryu are easy to use in classic but I couldn’t do combos so I learned footsies. But modern controls has allowed me to learn how to play with everyone and enjoy the game more. I never picked up zangief he was too hard for me But now the dude is fun, along with chin li, guile and cammy

[@ice_is_cold_714]

Modern controls on keyboard = 💀 vs modern controls on joystick = 😃

[@jeroujoestar]

MODERN SUPREMEACY OVER HERE 😇

[@Rock2realg]

Trash

[@Ayyem93]

I mean idk how its "scrubby" to say someone isn't talented for being able to press a single button and punish something that only a very small percentile of players who have the reaction and execution to be able to do so on classic, or in a situation where playing classic you literally wouldn't have time to execute a super not matter if you hit each direction for one frame and super came frame perfect but ok It's hard for me because I'm not a vet but I've always held a modern(no pun intended) mentality that whatever is in the game is fair to use so long as you aren't literally cheating, but from my experience playing SF6 and knowing in certain situations people around my rank and skill level literally wouldn't have the time to input something or just the reaction and execution wombo combo modern controls are rough for me as an idea. Overall I don't think they're busted, but when you get into situational things they're obviously better than classic

[@theprinceofthebadlands5204]

For me it depends. I feel most characters benefit from classic but others like Zangief and E. Honda benefit from modern a lot.

[@newphonewhodis7152]

Just here to compliment you on that thumbnail Edit: typo

[@MaximumObesity]

Thanks! I was making the thumbnail for a completely different video but decided it fits better for something like this.

[@ManateeMentality]

*compliment

[@bulkbogan6235]

For me its not even an issue of which is better, more so which is fun to play against/spectate. One button supers and reversals lead to a very reactionary playstyle. Sure modern doesn't "play for you", but it's undeniable that reacting with a button press is easier than with a motion. And those moments of great reactions become undermined by the nature of its input. Also modern players have less options which leads to less unique combo routes/setups/frametraps. And less options for me leads to more same-y feeling games. Like we celebrated the return of more robust movelists in SF6 after SFV streamlined away many of character specials, and now with modern we get a version of a character with less moves which is somehow celebrated by some part of community.

[@MaximumObesity]

Ngl I didn’t read farther than the first line. Happy for you, or sorry that happened.

[@bulkbogan6235]

@@MaximumObesity Well, now you've undermined any respect I could've had for you.

[@d_atura]

lame ass response but you do you@@MaximumObesity

[@duxnihilo]

@@bulkbogan6235He One Button-DP'd your comment.

[@egontokessy1610]

@@MaximumObesity How come? He wasn't being mean or anything.

[@RavianxReacts]

Just realized the air gear ost

[@Daclamps046]

I don’t mind modern I just wish ranked was spilt I know for a fact that these guys wouldn’t be able to do these long combos on classic

[@andrutakis]

Great incite for the Game I Love. I play SF 6 every night and honestly I hate modern controls, up until the last 2 weeks. I found a lot of patterns that I can confidently expose with a lot of ranking up matches . Seems like the Higher the rank the more the I battle Modern players. Its defiantly a challenge for Classic players but I say bring it on. I wont tell my break throughs to get around Modern here, but know that with out all your tools well. The more you F around the more you find out.

[@sGzBugz]

Classic is better than modern. Anyone that complains about modern just isn’t very good at the game. And that should be their main concern instead of what control type their opponent is using

[@amonster1896]

Nah modern is stupid you literally get to one button dps so jumping at them is impossible 1 button combos and specials a normal human being shouldn't be using modern

[@84jordie]

Classic is better than modern, that's for sure. But modern also has its unfair advantage. It's like you are using pencil and paper to solve equation, but your opponent is using a calculator.

[@amonster1896]

@84jordie that's why modern is dumb

[@DavidTector]

You must be playing on cheatbox

[@Joryusama]

Fight stick / hitbox = Classic Pad = Modern

[@ElijiahCater-xg9dq]

Modern is basically just mortal kombat

[@captainsqualo7414]

i dont know.. but have u played any mks tho? theres no such thing as modern controls like these autos in any mks.. u need a better comparison such as tekken, fighterz and etc

[@averysketchygamer3241]

Personally, I love the addition of Modern Don't get me wrong, I'm a diehard Classic player, but honestly I'm sick of games like FighterZ, Granblue, P4AU, etc that enforce simpler controls and do not allow you to turn them off. On top of that, the accessibility is great. With more modern players buying and enjoying the game, it's overall more healthy and beneficial to the game's longevity. It also allows people with disabilities to play the game when they normally wouldn't Granted, it allows some people to be carried, but it doesn't bother me. Sure I get tilted whenever I fight a Modern Ken that just spams fireballs and the same 35% health combo, and it just works (because it's Ken), but overall that's not the control scheme's fault that the Ken player is just bad at the game. They'll never crawl their way out of Gold unless they actually *learn* how to actually play. And the players that do take Modern to competitive can actually be fairly impressive. In general, it just adds more to the playerbase and doesn't affect skill expression (for the most part)

[@MaximumObesity]

I agree, love the accessibility and the fact that it allows more people to play the game. But it can definitely get annoying when they're permanently stuck on. I THINK granblue versus rising had a option to turn them off but I'm not sure.

[@theodorluminshield4367]

I really hate it. I’m pretty bad at fighting games, and it feels too good so I wouldn’t have the motivation to learn the actual combos. So i gotta tough it out now and just learn.

[@TheYungestOfSoups]

this mf thumbnail has me rolling

[@Personalinfo404]

35 here, getting into fighting games, Im going to pick whatever option is liked and viewed down upon - so this looks like ill be going with modern. Why? Well thats easy, when entering a new community, Its important to identify the cry babies in the circle. Im the type of person to engage and meet negativity head on, using more negativity. If youre going to cry like a child, id like to be a part of what is making you cry, because you SHOULDNT be crying in the first place.

[@statha3624]

Yeah I'm sure that's the reason buddy 😂. Not that you're bad or anything

[@Personalinfo404]

@@statha3624 I already beat you like 9 times im not interested in your crying over it. leave it alone.

[@statha3624]

@@Personalinfo404 what?😂 Are you delusional? As if I'd ever be in your piss low rank let alone you beating me 😂

[@Nerozero9]

I'm looking to get into sf6 but I wanted to know the difference between the 2 I can do inputs just fine it's just curiosity. Hopefully ppl can chill on it tho I see a lot of hate like when ppl had controllers instead of sticks. But if it's got a damage reduction that's the killer for me

[@cheerosukolpat3154]

Only things I hate is unbalanced autocombo. Ken got solid combo without gauge when all Jamie's combo is just waste move. (But they all sucks in higher competitive play anyway) I really hope It would change to be functional just like another normal we lost instead. (So now we trade some move with harder input than Classic instead of just lose It) I like the Idea of super on reaction. I feel bored that super being only fancy combo-ender 99% of time. If Remy return he could use his counter move more effectively. Anti-air super become more possible but their damage should be balanced out with their range/speed. Like, universal easy to hit like Luke should have more lower damage than others. while specific use like anti-air or even counter(If It'd have) should have much more damage.

[@zepolcin2412]

Overkooled and I wanna kno my jams

[@MaximumObesity]

Ikr?! Sometimes I really miss the air gear soundtrack

[@joelabraham6834]

I wouldnt mind modern controls if the supers were still motion input. It just feels cheap.

[@erycknovaes1420]

Yes

[@Gamingloner15]

I don't hate the idea of Modern controls, I just hate how its allowed in Ranked. Modern and Classic should have their own rank.

[@LawlessGaming13]

So modern controls are for those who are less competent than 7, 8, 9 year olds were in the 90s with SF2 basically

[@i_am_greymatter__7000]

Yup, and if you lose to a 1 button SPD and complain about it you are bad at the game...

[@onilly122oni9]

Modern control and classic is good.

[@gotjukez3307]

I agree it’s not bad in high level gameplay but for someone that sucks at sf6 like me, playing against someone with modern controls feels cheap as hell

[@louisfacade]

But seriously M controllers is unfair especially when I'm faced with a Modern Manon I'm a classic Manon Main, the modern Manon can out command grab the shiiiii out of me.

[@shinesparkss5193]

Then play around it?? If your issue is you’re getting command grabbed, play some footsies and bait them into it. Punish them for trying it. I don’t mean to sound like I’m just saying “Get good!” but really, if the issue is you’re getting got by a modern player, it’s not all that different than getting got by a classic player.

[@louisfacade]

@shinesparkss5193 uuuhhhm 9 months later, and you come with this... dude, I'm way better at the game than I was back then. Take care 🙂.

[@shinesparkss5193]

@@louisfacade I’m gonna be fr with you… I did not look at how old the video nor the comments were 😂 my bad man, take care. Fight on 🙏

[@louisfacade]

@shinesparkss5193 🤣 okay my guy. You too. Fight on.

[@shinobi2289]

Back in the day if you had a modded controller that did one button dp and fireball it would be considered cheating, the problem about modern is that there is no input error. Most would argue that just doing moves don’t win matches which is correct. If you put a high level modern player and a high level classic player the modern player will have the advantage. I foresee a lot of modern players in the near future causing problems.

[@ySacer]

@@shinobi2289 Spoiler: "They" don't. Just Tachikawa play with Modern in Top Tier Level.

[@danielc.7173]

Mental stack doesn't exist for us modern Zangief players. No thoughts. Just reactions.

[@DoNot-Ban-Pudge]

We don't need mental stack, the only thing we need is LOYAL FANS

[@danielc.7173]

@@DoNot-Ban-Pudge LOYAL FANS!!!

[@viciouslycanborn2852]

Modern controllers are like selling your soul to the devil for easy access to doing power moves easy. Which makes you not to good has a player but its a start for beginners that started playing. Classic controllers make your work real hard at doing moves but if you get the moves down an adapt to it you'll be a combo impact demon keeping pressure on your opponent automatically. Thats the way i see it i use to play modern 1 year ago. M EASY ACCESS C working HARDER for moves.

[@IStareAtGames]

It’s what makes street fighter street fighter, the fact that you have to actually train to do combos, that fact that it takes skill, hell it makes all fighting games, having easy mode controls is just dumb, I know sf is trying to reel in more people to play but it’s nit fair for the older players that have to do motion inputs while these nincompoops can just press 2 buttons to do a level three super that took the other player a month to learn and memorize

[@JoshDoes]

I would have never considered playing this game on classic at all. Im playing modern screw classic it makes no sense to have outdated and overly difficult controls like that. And thats coming from someone who is top 1% in battle royale and a few other fps titles....

[@HeDronHeDronHedron]

motion inputs balance certain moves, also they arent like ridiculously hard (kzbin.info/www/bejne/moHYqpSdppdqntU)

[@matn4913]

Noob

[@curtis4948]

Doing a quarter circle motion is difficult to you? You’re an absolute garbage scrub

[@_Hache__]

What are the ost at 8:58 ? And the one at 10:00 plz ?

[@JJose13]

Most of the songs in this video are from Tekken 4. The first you mentioned for sure is from Tekken 4, the second I don't remember to listening to it on Tekken 4

[@_Hache__]

@@JJose13 thank you for the answer I thought no one would answer me lol, the first one came from tekken 4 thanks and the second one I still don't know what it is

[@sylthfarn3187]

​@@_Hache__Don't know if you find it but at 10:00 the music is Overkooled from Air gear OST

[@_Hache__]

@@sylthfarn3187 my hero thanks buddy :)

[@Dandyman69]

I hope strive gets modern controls

[@extremepop324]

Easy modes forced into the main game is going to kill fighting games. We need to take better care of fighting games and not just allow "whatever happens, happens"

[@dwaynechang4124]

Modern controller is BS it's cheap and for lazy players it's the worse thing in SF6 they turning sf6 into mortal Kombat 3 up to mk trilogy with 1 button finishing smhh and it's worse than mk3 to trilogy because in SF6 the special move is 1 button smhh modern controller shouldn't be in SF6 if the PS controller was touch screen it would be ok but its not so it shouldn't be in SF6 at all modern controller as i say is cheap and for lazy players

[@DARK_HADOO]

Modern controls are mad easy to fight with, like why would I basically break my fingers just to a hadoken when I can just press triangle😭 only thing that’s good about classic is, it’s more random moves, like when I pressed O it didn’t do a heavy punch, but it did some type of spin kick

[@Knuxisonyoutube]

Modern controls are cheap as hell and I don't like them lmao. They shouldn't be in the game. Anytime I run into a Cammy with modern controls i throw up a little. It's not hard to learn classic at all, in fact it's way less intimidating than I thought it was.

[@094176]

Gotta disagree. They literally are missing chunks of their moveset. JP with modern controls can't control the screen anywhere near as well as a classic one. If not having to do a simple input makes a an opponent feel cheap to you, I got bad news about the opponents to whom those inputs are second nature

[@b3nt0t]

Each one of us have own preferences. Like it or not, modern controls will stay.

[@Sabrina_Tea]

Modern controls are something we need because like it or not fighting games arent the easiest to get into especially with motion inputs for me i like classic i like having more options but my ring finger is a wall to me being better than i could be (i am relatively new to fighting games) it prevents me from doing quarter circle backs properly and that doesnt feel very great and doing online and losing alot isnt very fun i like improving i like the challenge of losing but even the most determined of man could only lose so much before they just quit

[@b3nt0t]

@@Sabrina_Tea don't mind him. His a purist who thinks that he is a pro using a classic controls 🤣

[@SebaSawa]

Becuse you have a bad experiense dosnt means is a bad implemetation.

[@NYXCafe.Indonesia]

Modern is for babiessssssssss

[@williamcase426]

MODERN PLAYERS ARE SCRUBS

[@oneyedk1ng]

nah modern controllers are for bozos that aren’t willing to play the game actually. pressing one button of bones to pull out a decent combo relentlessly is absolutely stupid. modern controls should never have been made

[@MADDSONN]

If you use Modern controls or defend Modern players, you’re a bum. No further debate or commentary needed 🚮

[@christiansilvino9031]

It increased sales, and helped a lot of people learn fighting games or have more fun with them. I’m fine with people not wanting to use it or even not always enjoying fighting it but I really don’t get the hate. Like literally today I saw an AKI player with the user name “modern is lame” and refused to fight me. In a casual match mind you. I feel if the haters spent half the time labing as they do alienating a much smaller part of the player pool they’d get out of plat and see like 1 modern player every 39 matches.

[@sucubai]

I mean, it's just one Dragon Punch, Michael. What could it take? 10 inputs?

[@dustbuster9347]

Scrub mentality

[@MADDSONN]

@@christiansilvino9031 I had 5 in a row last weekend. You’re talking out of your ass

[@bromanr7209]

Neckbeard mentality. No further debate or commentary needed.