MODERNIZED 2025 UK Carrier Group vs 2025 Chinese Carrier Group (Naval Battle 72a) | DCS

[@stevieb1338]

Thanks GR for all the things you do to make our day that much better

[@grimreapers]

Thanks Stevie!

[@carlosgarcia9497]

Frfr.

[@Eddie_Munster]

I’ve never seen a creator so focused on the viewer experience and feedback. Thanks for that GR!

[@iamscoutstfu]

"The F35's can see whatever the AWACS sees." Then they are nerfed in game. F35's can see whatever the AWACs sees, whatever all the other F35's can see, whatever the Arleigh Burks can see, whatever the carrier can see and whatever the guy filming the fight from his yacht with a cellphone can see. That's why everyone wants them.

[@Rover200Power]

Whatever the trained dolphin wearing a camera can see.

[@seraphx26]

@@rucker69 Which is accurate because it doesn't work IRL either lmao

[@memelephant]

@@seraphx26 no???

[@UNYEILDING]

I think the attrition of non-stealth focused aircraft really goes to show how important loyal wingman drones will be on maintaining power projection.

[@neurobot9844]

Thanks for the excellent videos!

[@grimreapers]

thxxx

[@PaRadiZer]

The F-35 gun pod is indeed low observable. From Termas (Danish manufacturer) website: "The Multi-Mission Pod provides the additional physical space on the F-35 - without compromising the aircraft radar signature."

[@Milleniumlance]

Yup just like the conformed external tank

[@Eo_Tunun]

The range of the Meteors is at least 20% greater than what you set it as. In an RAF test, it killed a subsonic target at 160 miles.

[@Gongolongo]

Test/targets are not reflective of range specs and ofc even irl effective specs. There's a lot more nuance.

[@Eo_Tunun]

@@Gongolongo Which would those nuances be? Me, I studied physics, For me a radar reflecting flying object is a radar reflecting object, no matter if manned or not. Apparently the RAF used a Hawker Hawk on radio control as target. To a missile, that would be the same as any subsonic plane of that size.

[@user-ge3xu4fv7m]

@@Eo_Tunun 100% solid unalloyed elemental copium

[@carlosgarcia9497]

Is the Meteor exclusive to the F-35?

[@Eo_Tunun]

@@carlosgarcia9497 Officially, Eurofighter, Rafale and Gripen are listed as planes to carry the weapon. It is basically the same size as the AIM-120, though, and I expect that Britain will have seen to get their F-35s adapted to use them. Having the best air-to-air missile in the stores and not using it with the most modern fighter would be insane. As Germany will get F-35s as well in the future, same applies here. So some F-35 may get the missile.

[@Nollosmendis]

It doesn't make sense without type Type-052D and 055. They provide very significant jump in capability compared with the previous versions, in the radar and vls department. And even the frigates - China will probably have the new Type 054B frigate by 2025 atleast in 4 hulls. i bet they will even get to the new 055B model destroyer in just a few years. So many new things are coming to Chinese navy every year. Maybe Type-075 could even launch new drones and go along with the carrier group too, that is the possibility. Some new submarine like Type-095 could be part of the carrier group.

[@jwzjwz2003cn]

Chinese capability is almost always nerfed on this channel for entertainment purpose.

[@timallison8560]

grim reapers, thank you. you do such an amazing job.

[@imgavster66]

You should do the US/UK vs China and Russia again but modernized!!

[@christopherfox7650]

Good idea

[@johnvoytko2424]

Yesssss

[@JohnDoe_Poland]

There won’t be Russia’s navy in 2025 :D

[@Uriel77200]

Yes! And please please please throw in a 1991 Refit Battleship Missouri.

[@christopherfox7650]

It's not part of a carrier group

[@leoschvaa]

Type 003 carrier has 3 catapults, you can see them being covered in the pics from when it was launched

[@Gongolongo]

And there are already 4 of the newer "J-35"'s doing flight testing at China's naval aviation training centers. They're definitely being deployed before 2025 seeing as how at the end of 2021 the finalized versions started conducting training with weapons and without testing equipment.

[@merafirewing6591]

We definitely need to see if the Japanese Self-defense Force will ever be added to this game.

[@timblack6422]

You are very patient, Cap… Great explanations

[@grimreapers]

thxx

[@riverman83]

Why wont they add the Chinese Type-52D and Type-55 destroyer? Type-52C is the version they have the least of today. A type-55 is 3 times more powerfull.

[@MGZetta]

probably don't have it in the game. but, I agree, that the gap is massive.

[@grimreapers]

They dont have the new Chinese radar and missiles in game I supsect.

[@hughmungus2760]

Im dead certain a mod exists for them but its not in english and I have no idea where to download it.

[@gsflightsimfun20]

You are the best!!! Keep up the awesome work.

[@thomaszhang3101]

I think the thing with meteor vs solid fuel rocket is that “ram jet” missiles like meteor doesn’t have to carry its own oxidizer, so can have higher specific impulse than solid fuel rocket, but generate less impulse in a given amount of time. So solid fuel missiles are sprinters, while air breathing missiles are endurance runners. Meteor has a longer no escape zone than solid fuel but solid fuel can accelerate to Mach 4 and reach the target much faster than Meteor can. Within a certain range, solid fuel is better than meteor, and beyond that range vice versa. Current militaries have different opinions, with US and China preferring duel firing solid fuel (AIM-260 + PL-15) and Europe preferring air breathing (Meteor).

[@thomaszhang3101]

I think the Meteor in here is over modeled because it seems dev simulated air breathing engine with a solid fuel engine that never burns out, giving Meteor all the benefit of a solid fuel and that of an air breathing.

[@MGZetta]

It's weird people mention meteor's weakness. People always talk about how it is the best in the world and nothing can beat it whatsoever but I always wondered if this is the best thing ever, and why the rest of the world doesn't try ram-jet in their air-to-air missiles yet.

[@92HazelMocha]

@@MGZetta The problem is that the fuel that the meteor uses was only just invented to power the meteor and is highly classified. Previously air breathing motors were just inferior as air to air missiles and MDBA invented a new type of fuel to make them viable.

[@92HazelMocha]

@@thomaszhang3101 Normally you'd be right, but the meteor is both high impulse and air breathing in addition to being throttlable. It's actually still under-modeled here. The IRL meteor can idle or even shut off its motor to cruise then re-ignite itself at will. As for why the US and China don't use air breathing missiles, that has more to do with the US and China lacking the technology (so to speak) to do so. The meteor uses a proprietary fuel which was invented by MDBA specifically for high impulse, could oxidize in ambient atmosphere, and could be throttable. It is currently a very well kept secret which is a shame because it could revolutionize all rocketry, not just air to air missiles. Edit: addtionaly the meteor has two motors, the first being a small traditional rocket motor used to launch the missile, then the cavity left when that motor burns put becomes the primary thrust vector/exhaust for the boron based throttlable motor.

[@MGZetta]

@@92HazelMocha I mean, I don't think it's that hard for the US to buy meteor and check the chemical content in the fuel. And ram jet ain't new. The US, Russia, and China use it in their supersonic missiles. And even better ones for their hypersonic missiles. So... it's not really ground breaking technology.

[@terryweedon8431]

The new Chinese carrier can't launch planes that fast. It uses eml system but it's a conventional carrier. Also causes huge range issues because it requires so much fuel burn to use the EML. So plane launch rate should probably be cut in half. Great videos keep up the good work!!

[@TheWeatherbuff]

Thanks Reapers! This was a good one. (Well, they all are.) I assume the "It's still good... it's still good..." comments are from The Simpsons, yeah? My new gaming machine is here and I'll be in setup and training mode soon. Keep up the good work! These videos are greatly appreciated by us Newbies.

[@DK-ig8zi]

Idea to adress the issue of older ships : simply add ships that are in the game until you reach the same number of vls than the escort ships would really have

[@bussolini6307]

the problem is not the VLS count itself, type 052D only has 16 more VLS than the type 052C, the main problem is that the type 052D has much better radars and they can fire the longer-range missiles such as the YJ-18 while the type 052C can only fire the YJ-62, the same applies for the type 055.

[@grimreapers]

^^^ this the problem seems to be that we don't have the newest Chinese radars/missiles in game. Not sure how to add them.

[@DK-ig8zi]

@@bussolini6307 yes indeed but at least making the count of vls equal would help a bit to make it more realistic.

[@henrygibson9613]

type 45 to carry 72 missiles from mid to late 2020s, 48 sea viper, 24 sea ceptor. huge boost in anti missile defense when that comes is

[@badgerius1]

Love watching these. Someday I'll start playing MP in DCS. Question: are decoy missiles modelled in DCS? if each Chinese fighter fired 2 decoy missiles, it would triple the amount of contacts on the radar. Maybe the AWACS could tell the difference, but if even half the missiles were fired at a decoy instead of a fighter, it would go a long way to offsetting the F-35's stealth advantage without needing to have a stealth aircraft themselves. Thinking more for US vs China, but it could really be used in any of these battles.

[@leohorse658]

AIM-260 Is still in the testing phase, they brought it to my ship for testing It is very similar in size to the AIM-120, pointer nose, extending mid-body wings From what I was told, it can reach speeds just below Mach 5, though I would assume that's a bit off.

[@jamesfletcher9032]

This is why you only use stealth, no point using murder on an aircraft designed for stealth. Should have gone full stealth.

[@DaFinkingOrk]

Exactly, without stealth why use the F-35. Except for it's insane radar and it's stealth, it's not a great plane, might as well use typhoons or modernised flankers or F-16s or rafales or something. With its stealth, the F-35 is great because you can shoot your enemy well before they can lock on to you, as we've seen before (which must be even more powerful with the extremely long range missiles now). You could get close enough to take out their AEW, and then maybe even launch your anti-ship missiles before bothering with the fighters, and no need to fly low so for high and save your energy for dodging any missiles you do receive.

[@dexlab7539]

So sorry Cap you guys are struggling so much in UK 🇬🇧 - Hope things get better soon!

[@Evocati-Augusti]

I like the take-off song from "Behind Enemy Lines" He's got a brand new car Looks like a Jaguar It's got leather seats It's got a CD player (player, player, player...

[@forzaelite1248]

According to Wiki the AIM260's target performance is Mach 4-5 and a range of at least 200km to keep up with the PL-15, sounds like you could essentially reuse the bugged AIM120s that were too fast and call them 260s

[@mecampbell30]

AIM-260s are not in service.

[@forzaelite1248]

@@mecampbell30 Ik but the point of the vid was to test future blocks against each other, LockMart has said it should be done by late 2022 or early 2023 and this vid is 2025 so it isn't unreasonable

[@djzoodude]

So it is true that US Navy ships still carry SM-2s, but they are upgraded versions of the SM-2, with specifically upgraded performance against sea-skimming anti-ship cruise missiles. The current version of the SM-2 is the Block IIIB/ RIM-66M. Pretty sure the in game version is from the 80s or 90s. With regard to the gun pod, I can't find anything to back up the assertion that it is stealth. It's certainly designed to be as LO as possible, but I can find anything that states an F-35 with a gun pod has similar RCS to a clean F-35.

[@egmccann]

Note as far as the gun pods for the F-35B and C - yes, they are designed to be low observable. And yes, they do affect the F-35's stealth slightly, as well as - like any external store - affecting weight and drag. GAU-25a with 220 rounds inside. There is, however, some speculation that the pod itself (designed to be multimission) may be getting used for EW as well. (Unconfirmed, as far as I know.)

[@Uriel77200]

Another fun Naval idea would be No carriers or fighters. Just ships with addition of any naval gunship helicopters. Might be cool vs Iran with all their pt boats.

[@IRONIC1688]

I make the Flankers take off with full weapons load and 30% fuel, the first WP is to fill-up the tanks with AAR. pretty much what china does with planes from the 002 Shandongs with the ski-ramps. Workes like a charm for my missions.

[@thesandwichfreak3780]

Super Cap! Is it possible to have the F-35 Lightning, in stealth or murder configurations, upon deployment of all of their air-to-air missiles, automatically turn back towards their carrier group as well as automatically despawn (this would temporarily take the load off your DCS server's CPU and RAM)? Then, after accounting for the time needed for them to "RTB," land, rearm, and refuel, have them auto-spawn fully fueled and rearmed behind their carrier at a predetermined altitude, simulating their take-offs, and immediately have them reengage the enemy, thereby continuing the fight. Note that the same programming could also be applied to all aircraft in both carrier fleets, with the exception of any fighters shot down during the battle.

[@brianlindsey3620]

Just like the us vs china, I expect the f35s to absolutely swat the Chinese air wing aside.

[@MGZetta]

Damn, aged like milk.

[@belluh-1huey102]

@@MGZetta yeah because they nerfed it a lot. Not to mention Murder F35s with their Meteors can launch their missiles earlier than the PL15.

[@kurthummitzsch9948]

Well done. Thanks for all your hard work getting this to work. Great video, too bad Britain lost in the end. Looking forward to the next attempt

[@randomgamer2695]

You guys are great and your commentary is absolutely on point keep doing you players

[@DavidGentry-WebDeveloper]

I feel like this could have ended more in the Uk's favor if all the F-35s were in a stealth configuration.

[@DragonstarFighter]

or if the murder configurations would have launched and been the first to shoot, it could have just been a meteor swarm then

[@naraiceylob]

F35s dont have enough missiles in non stealth.

[@dancohn4799]

03:04 Heyo! Longtime fan here. I went to uni for math and physics and work as a software engineer. I would be happy to help GR with that.

[@zylaaeria2627]

Saw this outcome the moment "murder config" was brought up again. Chinese love their range. Stealth eliminates the only real advantage the Chinese have. Look forward to these every time. Always enjoy them.

[@splatoonistproductions5345]

Someday would like to see a 2030’s carrier group from Britain, including the type 26 through type 31/32’s with full fighter wings. Also, both carriers are broken down? I thought the QE was heading to America to test the new software (is that what they’re testing, please confirm) for the f35’s? god what happened? Lastly, I’d say that now that the video is finished, I’d say the British have more stealth configuration fighters to preserve as many as possible, the 8 you had in stealth config had about 32 meteor missiles between them, so to roughly equal the number of enemy aircraft in terms of missiles you’d hafta have 16 f35’s in stealth configuration carrying 4 each, leaving only 8 in murder configuration.

[@watcherzero5256]

Prince of Wales was due to head to the US for a joint exercise in the East Atlantic and to complete its fixed wing flight ops certification (currently shes only operated helicopters) however its broken down so they are pulling QE out of light maintenance and sending her to participate in the joint exercise instead.

[@tomsoki5738]

The UK carriers can operate in a surge environment with up to 70 F35’s if most of the helicopters are taken off. This would only be done if a near peer war started. I would also like to see the CAMM missile added to the game. The Aster 30 (long range) is pretty much the same as the equivalent US missiles, but CAMM (short-medium range) are supposed to be really, really good. They can also be quad packed into a single VLS cell so for a saturation attack like this they are excellent. Britain has also already stated the FAA will acquire a minimum of 60, maybe up to 80, but I reckon with the defence budget increasing that number will go up. If budgets were slashed to an absolute minimum and both carriers were out they would have 30 each

[@Decrepit_biker]

Absolutely 💯 correct

[@watcherzero5256]

@Rob K QE capacity is 72 aircraft including 36 F-35 but only intended to have a normal loadout of 24 F-35, the 36 max figure comes from there only being three frontline squadrons (12x3) and one training squadron (12) ordered so far for a total of 48. Normal airwing is expected to be 24 F-35, 10 ASW Merlin, 5 AEW Merlin, 5 Wildcat utility and an embarked force package of 10 Chinook/Merlin transports for troop transport or a dozen Apache/Wildcat if supporting land forces.

[@mikesmyth6576]

That was cool to see some defense required from the ships this round, good job on closing the gap to position the QE behind the escorts later in the game.

[@Gabriel_McMillan]

Out with the old, in with the new? Nevermind that redo, once we get them LRASM! We need to send a B1B after the Type 003 in Shanghai harbor, coming in at Mach 0.96, 100 feet above the waves, with 24 x LRASMs in the bay, 2 x F-22 escorts super-cruising just behind it, at 70k feet... then come the hornets! Someone else suggested that a Virginia class might disseminate a cruise missile salvo timed to arrive at the same moment as the B1B stores. Decoys from another direction might be interesting, fired to attract the Chinese scrambled fighters towards the wrong directions, encouraging them to turn their backs to the F-22 escorts and the F-35s that would be scouting ahead of the hornet strike package from a carrier in the area. These decoys might be launched just after the B1B launches, then turns, before beginning to climb and accelerated once it is safely out of contested air space. Ideally, you would wait until the Chinese detected either the B1B, or its stores, or impacts on targets, and began to scramble, then you would launch the decoys, I would imagine. Take perhaps 6 hornets, armed with 3/4ths decoys and 1/4th HARMs, send the decoys first, loiter briefly, then send in HARMs behind the decoys, for good measure, if you can have an AI do all of that. Your secondary mission is to provide air cover for the USS Iowa, as it steams to within range of the harbor (please check to be sure that the USS Iowa's armor is accurately modeled, as a direct Chinese 500 lbs bomb strike should look similar to a mosquito bite on the hull of the Iowa). 2 x Sea Wolf class escorts for the Iowa. Full steam ahead! Also, please model that nifty little US aerial refueling drone, the MQ-25. I was thinking about what you said about how long it would take to re-fuel 50 planes the other day. Well, maybe so, but maybe you get a different result if you have 10 x small aerial refueling drones, instead of 2 x large manned aerial refuelers...

[@alphaastro3068]

For. All who didn’t get the reference of if the chines can dodge a wrench they can dodge a meteor it’s from movie Dodge ball “ if u can dodge a wrench u can dodge a ball “

[@techforthedisabled9514]

Hi GR are storms modeled in-game? Would love to see one of your battles in a bad storm.

[@trottheblackdog]

He can put a lot of cloud cover in, might look really great but break visibility in some situations.

[@duke8022]

in DCS all types of weather can be simulated including rain, snow and lighting. the issue is we do not have control were the clouds are going to be,

[@grimreapers]

We have done mission with 2000mph winds before. Problem is, it messes the AI up so not really worth doing in these battles.

[@EvilAcidUK]

Thanks for the chapter view hint :)

[@AnimeFan-gp6jb]

Note that the Perry class FFGs can engage air targets with their 76mm gun. The USS Gary (FFG-51) probably downed a Silkworm missile this way during Operation Preying Mantis.

[@dan725]

I thought the latest update updated the AI to properly defend and crank during BVR and respects the MAR?

[@imbetterthanyouis]

yes the gun pod it supposed to be similarly low observable as the aircraft it kinda looks like a mig 29s fuel tank , there were also supposed to be stealth enclosures for wing mounted stores but im not sure how that went

[@cyronader]

love these videos!

[@warbuzzard7167]

Two questions: I saw some of the escorts not moving... I'm sure you explained why, but I did not catch it. Also: Why not get the "murder" Lightning IIs to fly @ 50ft and be first off the deck, and follow up with stealth Lightning IIs to take off and go high-altitude attack in secondary traunch?

[@vehx9316]

003 got 3 catapults. That much is certain, it is also not nuclear powered. It is very likely to have electromagnetic catapults but that is not certain. I think you should also include the KJ-600 AWACS for the Chinese as well.

[@clangerbasher]

It's only a game but it does show up all the deficiencies of our 'carriers'.

[@tomsoki5738]

How? This isn’t realistic, QE would have much more F35’s. If modelled properly making use of stealth right and the F35’s RTB’ing the UK would have won.

[@clangerbasher]

@@tomsoki5738 Oh............

[@Smokeyr67]

@Rob K but this wasn’t a standard deployment, so I’m sure that the complement would have been increased to 36 F-35’s.

[@skatman3278]

Love your work but a little disappointed with the loadout for the RN. (Only one QE class is broken atm - PoW). QE class can operate up to 72 aircraft and the purchase has been totally committed - so no backing out. They've actually said they'll get the full 78 and likely more. 24 is the minimum load out of F-35. 36 is the maximum it will usually sail with. However it can take up to 60 in extreme cases (should there be another Falklands situation). By mid-2020, the Type 26 will be in service and even the Type 23 is closer to an older AB class than an OHP. Type 26 is closer to the Type 45 than an older AB class, so it would make more sense to put another Type 45 instead of the OHPs - which make very little sense at all. I don't think the RN would risk any F-35s in 'murder' mode for a near-peer fight (but you'll always get other people complaining). One of the benefits of the QE class over any carrier with cats and traps is that it can land aircraft and take them off at the same time with less of an impact on take off sortie rate. The QE class was designed almost entirely around a sortie rate that matches the Nimitz class whilst carrying fewer aircraft. Obviously you can't do an RTB in game yet, but that's what would happen. Re-arm and refuel in stealth config until the risk is reduced. I really don't understand why youve artificially nerfed the RN fight for 'reasons' - none of which make any sense whatsoever.

[@andylawson8003]

I had read that the Type 003 only has 3 catapults.

[@welsh2266]

Hi cap, I may be wrong but I think the combat spread of a carrier group might be about 35 miles radius and I think they would have (USA) 2 awacs up at each end of the radius. There is a good red storm rising dcs video about something like this.

[@armymanaka360]

I realised that the ai don’t tend to use flares when it missiles are on them

[@trottheblackdog]

Because the missiles are radar guided. That's when you use chaff.

[@armymanaka360]

Not when it’s ir,like the Chinese missiles were which was says in video

[@grimreapers]

Flares only work against the PL-10 IR Missiles. Problem is that VERY hard to see those PL-10s being fired at you.

[@tukino9124]

btw supercruising is when you're going supersonic without using AB Great vid tho, make a video with india's or france's carrier too :)

[@grimreapers]

Yeh I didn't realise they were burning.

[@Mr-or9pn]

How can the f35 radar see so far? I'm new to dcs and I'm trying to figure out the f22 mod and I can't even see anything on its radar until they're within 50 miles. But in this vid the f35 saw locked and fired at 70 miles. I know they're different aircraft using different missiles. Can someone help me understand

[@Pax.Britannica]

The Fuijan has 3 catapults. The carrier was photographed during its construction via satellite, wherein it very clearly had three catapult rails. Also, it was recently on show, during which it had three covers, clearly covering the catapults, which were too thin to be covering more than one each. Also, QEC carriers have very poorly reported max air-wing size, it's not 38 or less. Those lower numbers are typical loadouts, not max. On top of that, in Britain we don't traditionally deck park the aircraft. If we did, you can easily get 32 F-35's just on the deck. I think max complement may actually just be classified, along the same vain as max speed. Yet people still try to compare the numbers to say "ours is best" 😂

[@niemanon]

Modern Chinese ships have YJ-18 and YJ-100 anti-ship missiles that could start firing at the start of the engagement at 180 miles already.

[@niemanon]

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[@CMarkem]

And the UK could do the same, but I'd rather not get into that doctrine and how it works if you don't know how the Navy operates its fleet. These are purely fictional for the purpose of game play. No fleet would sail like this in actual battle.

[@The136th]

@@CMarkem UK doesn't have ASBM. YJ-21 would start flying from 1500km away

[@Andre-Lochner]

The gunpod on the B and C variants of the F-35 is stealthy to a point, it does moderately compromise stealth but to a far lesser extent than external pylons would. Regarding things such as the sidekick and AIM-260, adding in future capabilities to the F-35 will just keep adding up with all the upgrades it is getting (ex. high-off-boresight AIM-120’s, over the shoulder capabilities to allow the launch of AMRAAMs perpendicular or even behind the jet, the lock-on-after-launch capable AIM-9X that can be carried internally). It’s never really going to be finished as it’s always changing and is so heavily classified. Great work as always!

[@custossecretus5737]

Having watched the film Firefox back in 1982, I am surprised todays planes don’t have a rear capable weapon system or even a little ball mounted gun to shoot down incoming missiles or enemy planes on your 6.

[@trottheblackdog]

Cap, don't forget that USMC 35Bs were on QE2's last big cruise. So it might be within reason to have an additional squadron of them on board. Like another 10 jets I think.

[@jamison884]

Thanks as always Cap. A great video to watch as I relax after work. For Burkes, they have 96 VLS for Flight IIA and 90 VLS for earlier variants. Do they only have 64 in the game? If so, I believe that would simulate other missiles within the VLS, like Tomahawks or ASROC. I'd love to know how the USN figures out their VLS loadout for each deployment (as would China!), so I really don't know what a realistic number is.

[@Keavlin2]

29 F-35's in the uk now, F-35b with full weapons load is called Beast mode. Task force would also have submarines, not sure if they could be modeled.

[@surters]

Ehm wouldn't the SM2's be in networked among the ships so they don't all fire 3 SM2 against each missile.

[@Anarchy_420]

AIM-260 not in service yet! However Mach 5 speed and 180 mile range!😁✌

[@gavin1506]

You'd have a type 23 ship there as well, and 2 Type 45's. If this is Austerity, all 35's would be Stealth to save on Missiles. As to the state of Carriers, only POW is having issues QE2 is out and doing the duties. Euro Fighters may be configured to fly from Carriers at that point, or not depending. You'd also have helicopters firing anti-ship missiles. The big advantage would be the UK Subs (which can't be modelled). However, I think you looked at the wrong policies as a lot of money is going into Defence rather than cuts (although technically it's a cut).

[@sirnodrick222]

We have seen the UK members of GR from videos at RIAT and Bournemouth. Any chance we can get some pics/vids of your colleagues across the pond?? Putting a voice to a face and all that.

[@Daniel-yh9dz]

Back in late 2000s, I saw some concept art of HMS _Queen Elizabeth_ on a local magazine I bought. I remember how they draw her like a spaceship. And it turned out to be pretty accurate!

[@Snowwie88]

6:30 - Ship on ship contact might not be happening anymore due to development of all these missiles, but for the 'funzies' of it, why not place these fleets without their planes, all guns 'loaded for bear' at a distance that they are within firing range, just to see which ships remain. There is no harm in that to just gauge the 'ship quality' in a old fashion Naval battle.

[@gulfwing8453]

Don't the Tico and Burke also have a bunch of quad packed ESSM's?

[@alanvarvil8517]

I assume you guys already reference Jane's Defense for platform information?

[@aaronlentz5002]

So they don't model the Nulka counter measure decoy yet?

[@tlhuffman]

The AIM-260 is still in development and will not be released as a production weapon until later this year at the earliest. It is not surprising you can't find any data about it.

[@joel91473]

I don't know if you noticed CAP but the Type 45 mod is broken as it can only launch one or two missiles at a time whereas it should be able to launch a similar amount to a Burke

[@grimreapers]

I litterally just noticed during this fight. Sad :(

[@Taluvin]

Loved the fight :)

[@gregorymaupin6388]

As an American 🇺🇸 I just wanted to say that as a Sailor I visited the UK 🇬🇧 and respected your Queen I am truly sorry for your loss she was such a beautiful lady.

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@skipaymett8144]

Stupid question maybe, but why dont the F35's VTOL instead of using the ramp

[@Smokeyr67]

@Rob K Vertical take off reduces the load the aircraft can carry, so STOL takeoffs are the better option.

[@lowtdave]

53:25 transmedium missile going for the trick shot through the ocean

[@Wien1938]

Why are the RN fighters not out on CAP?

[@thor-xr8vy]

where can i download the type 45 destroyer

[@mcmackmuckm8180]

I'd like to see a continuation of the scenario where the depleted 2025 British fleet make a run for it being pursued by the 2025 Chinese fleet. A plausible excuse (technical issues on deck) for a time delay can be introduced to make the Chinese lose sight of the British fleet, so that part of the challenge for the Chinese is locating the British whilst their scouting aircraft are engaged by F35 with Stealth configuration.

[@phrankus2009]

The USNavy ESSMs are loaded in quad-packs, (4 per VLS canister). See: Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile

[@AnimeFan-gp6jb]

The Block 2 version of ESSM, is also entering the fleet. Note that there is also a Block 2 version of the Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM) out there. Both of these missiles can also be used against surface targets.

[@davidwalkerjr1949]

As we all can see and learn there is a reason why stealth rules the sky at this time in warfare, yes you're sacrificing a few shots but you are not going to loose as many planes, so for games I'm sure that's a ton more fun. But in reality your going to save your assets this means aircraft and pilots. Using the safest and best configuration for both aircraft and human life.

[@stuka_7]

I would image that the Type 23 (or the Type 31 that would be in service by 2025) would be more useful than an OHP with their VLS (and dual purpose 40mm for the 31)

[@skatman3278]

It'll be Type 26 by 2025. Type 31 is due 2027. But yes, the even the Type 23 is closer to older AB class destroyers and the Type 26 will be closer to the Type 45. Why on earth they were set to an "OPV" is beyond me.

[@Hutchkins77]

hey Grim Reapers can we get some typhoons up there and see how they react as most of Europe have these fighter jets that are supposed to be designed for a dog fight!!! loving your shows 😄 keep up the good work!!!

[@JohnP.6775]

How can I get the F35 Lightning ii B module?

[@grimreapers]

kzbin.info/aero/PL3kOAM2N1YJcbzwU5FCo0DRmCdF3owO1o

[@grimreapers]

in there

[@JohnP.6775]

@@grimreapers I downloaded it & have FC3 but it won’t let my fly for some reason? I have the aircraft set to client aswell & have tried the player aswell no luck.

[@9999plato]

FFG46 WAS MY OLD SHIP. SHE WAS DESTROYED IN A SINKEX. If you look up the video she too several missile strikes and was only sunk after a torpedo hit her and that was considering that there was no crew to do damage control onboard. Of course many would have died in those missile strikes and there is no telling what combat capability she would have retained. In the end she was much tougher than they thought. Tougher than those crappy littoral ships they bought.

[@Remrag1]

Does the E2D have the long range detection versus stealth? The UHF radar frequencies are much more difficult to defend against.

[@grimreapers]

About 40 miles against stealth

[@Remrag1]

@@grimreapers I think that’s wrong but I have no open sources to point to for the APY-9. I do know it can direct the Standard missile allowing ships to shoot before their own RADAR sees the target.

[@RMabudabi]

You missed RIM-162 ESSM for ships, basically 4x vs 1x SM-2

[@elvisfundin9257]

The Type 003 has 3 emals catapults fyi

[@watcherzero5256]

Though only two lifts.

[@stevendepuy4377]

lol, the main problem, was Cap only gave the brits 24 planes, give them 36 next time

[@ofriaviezer4332]

Do you make your own mods? And do you publish them?

[@grimreapers]

Will do when we get them in sharable state

[@CombatWombat7.62mm]

Can you do this again with all British aircraft in Stealth configuration please?

[@grimreapers]

yes

[@CombatWombat7.62mm]

@@grimreapers Awesome Thankyou!

[@arjanbedi1729]

Shame the type 45s don't have the aster 30s modelled. In reality there more like SM-6s as there also 2 stage with active radar homing, and the all Type 23s have 30 vls launched sea ceptors.

[@denverfletcher9419]

Use multiple carriers to spread the flight vectors?

[@denverfletcher9419]

Yep. I know.

[@yuuzyerbrejn9603]

Damn fine fight, well programmed Cap. With 36 F-35s you'll have a much better chance. Maybe use 20 in stealth, the rest in murder, and see what you get then.

[@yuuzyerbrejn9603]

@Rob K Cap was saying the next iteration would start with 36 instead of 24 as it did this time. Factor in respawns after that. Point being the Chinese were too numerous for the scaled down force he'd given himself to fight effectively so the next iteration would give a little more oomph to the British side. Ciao!

[@neilwilkins9002]

cool vid guys...do the uk have anything apart from plump amies??

[@grimreapers]

not naval

[@strambino1]

I thought that the Queen Elizabeth usually has US Marine Corps F35Bs to enhance its air wing. I think the US lends 10-12 at a time to the British fleet. The f35B uses the GAU-22 gun pod, it is a 4 barrel version of the GAU12. It weighs 220lbs and is optimized for minimal drag in addition to minimal RCS.

[@strambino1]

Here is a video description of the gun pod. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHLSnoCEmL6gec0

[@mecampbell30]

The gun pod is a ground attack/CAS weapon, it's not designed for aerial combat. It fires armor piercing high explosive incendiary rounds for use against light vehicles.

[@welsh2266]

How about a 2010 version of this with the UK vs someone on particular with the UK back then?

[@pranavsivakumar3873]

since the rafale and super hornet are competing against each other to operate on stobar carrier, can you do kuz with rafale vs kuz with super hornet?