The Raspberry Pi 5 is a $80 Gaming Beast

[@AxfNPn3l]

I think MVG's point at the end was most important for emulation buyers. Once you buy the active cooler, the unique power supply (highly doubt you have a 5V supply rated for 5A sitting around), and a case - you're entering mini-PC territory and that product segment moves along very fast much like retro handhelds so there's a good chance of something becoming available in your budget if it's not already.

[@PutlerHuyIo]

A decent case with a fan + a power supply is like $30 total on Amazon right now. The board itself is $60. A Samsung 128gb SD card is $12. So right about $100 dollars total. Still way cheaper than mini-pc's out there.

[@creechrfeechr8094]

​@@PutlerHuyIo Well I was assuming we were talking about easily available second hand mini PC's, not those ripoff Chinese things. I got a couple, different specs, both under £100 that easily outperform what this new Pi can do. One of them has a 2200GE and was £85.

[@sevbait]

You could get an Intel N100 mini pc like the MINISFORUM UN100L and have a good time for less than double the money (they go on sale around $159 sometimes). Above that, the Asrock N100DC-ITX in a cheap case, 16GB DDR4 runs around $30 shipped these days for a good 3200Mhz set, so that you can slot a GPU. Or the Asrock DeskMeet B660 so you get a socketed system with room for a gpu. You could slot a 12100 which has loads of performance. I think these Pi's have become a tough sell unless you absolutely need perf/watt low power for battery or something.

[@JustinEmlay]

Not even CLOSE to mini PC. Most people doing something like this most definitely have a power source sitting around. The USB ports on my wall outlets support this. Unless you're talking about used garbage. Apples and Oranges. Plus, this is STILL new and has a way to go. Much more speed coming.

[@glenndoiron9317]

@@JustinEmlay The USB power supply you have "sitting around" is most likely NOT a 5A supply, more likely to be a 2A supply which the Rpi FAQ specifically says "you may have issues". In other words, you will have reduced performance (good old lightning bolt display). Rpi5 8gb = $80, case/fan/PSU $30, 256GB sd card (that actually WORKS and isn't a hacked lower capacity card) $20 , now you're $6 away from an Intel N100 mini-pc which is twice as fast processing, hilariously faster storage I/O, has 802.11ax instead of 802.11ac, bluetooth 5.2 vs 5.0, best class video encoding/decoding, is x86-64 instead of Arm, and can run Windows and all the associated software.

[@ModernVintageGamer]

Correction : 6:57 I mean to say PlayStation 2 instead of PlayStation 5

[@novelezra]

Doesn't run PS5? L

[@radg0090]

​@@novelezra what a shame !

[@lox3391]

raspberry pi 5, playstation 2 i can honestly see the word mix-up

[@insu_red]

Playstation Pi

[@shriram5494]

You mean Raspberry pi 5?

[@MetallicBlade]

Pi 5 nowadays... while the base price for one is $80, it can go past $150 if you kit it out. Problem with that is, Price to performance just isn't there anymore, once you consider the more recent mini PCs that have exploded onto the market. With not much more money, you could get something much more powerful in comparison. Sure, back in the Pi 2/3 Days, $50 got you a nice little tinker board. But nowadays, It's been harder to justify for the same when faster alternatives exist.

[@gunsforevery1]

Price to performance? Sure. What about performance and features to size?

[@aiexzs]

@@gunsforevery1 just buy a mini PC for a similar price and an x86 laptop chip, raspberry pi is really losing its name because of how expensive they are now

[@VSMOKE1]

If you're hitting the 150 to $200 mark yeah you're better off going to a different route like the RP4 pro Well if not that 1 wait a couple of months and something better will come out😂

[@michaelgleason4791]

You can't find them for $80 either.

[@KrissFliss]

Can you give me an example for a mini PC that's as small as the PI?@@aiexzs

[@coleshores]

Those frame rate hitches in Killer Instinct are internal and not the emulation. It’s when the game is reading from it’s hard drive which is why it occurs during transition sequences. I know this for a fact because I owned the arcade game on a super gun for many years

[@hamothemagnif8529]

Is it the same for the Metal Slug series? Those games run slow on everything (even steam).

[@coleshores]

@@hamothemagnif8529 that’s sprite slowdown I believe. The carts on the NeoGeo bus have an insane amount of bandwidth to where sprite data can be read right from the cartridge.

[@lancepage1914]

​@@hamothemagnif8529that is not the same thing. Metal Slug 2 slows down inherently like a mofo on real arcade hardware - it's literally just the game that does that regardless of hardware or emulation. That's why they made Metal Slug X to remedy that. Killer Instinct on real hardware runs perfectly without a hitch or slow down. The emulation on KI on a good system will not slow down either, the hitches only occur upon the gameplay loading up.

[@hamothemagnif8529]

@@lancepage1914 right on. Thanks for the info

[@marccaracal7443]

I've been using raspberry pis for several years as a personal server and other as emulation consoles. The problem with these machines is that when you add up the cost of the case, a decent power supply, a quality SD card and a decent fan, to end up with mixed performance for a price close to that of a mini PC, it's not worth it. On top of that, problems with power supply, SD card reliability and the lack of availability of certain ARM-based Linux packages made me decide never to buy one again. I've had an x64 mini PC for 4 years now, and I'll never go back, whatever the performance promised by each new generation.

[@DarkestVampire92]

SD card reliability has been addressed long ago through M2 NVME boards, but the Pi 5 actually supports it natively now (as an option you need to enable) with great performance. Personally i've just been using old PC fans and heat sinks, as well as laptop harddrives for the Pi instead of the SD cards and stock heat sinks.

[@rastamouse7861]

Yeah I hear you. I have many raspberry pi's but I feel like their last advantages were low power consumption and low price, but they have lost those since the raspberry pi 4. Now you can find old Intel NUCs for the same price when you factor in power supply, case, cooling and storage and it will far exceed the performance of even the raspberry pi 5.

[@Vahron]

@@rastamouse7861 Truth be told, the gap between raw power and energy consumption when comparing ARM and x86 platforms was much larger back when RPi1 released, but it's now somewhat closer between the two. We simply don't need the RPi as a platform anymore as much as we did 10 years ago.

[@causerDAguv]

THIS RIGHT HERE!!!!!

[@stragulus]

That is probably fair, for some reason the Pi is a bit overrated for tasks such as emulation because it's not really the market it was after. It's cool that it can do it, but there's indeed much better hardware available for that. It's really a tinkerer's board, and the higher end ones don't make much sense for non-tinkerers, other than perhaps the huge user base so it's very easy to find solutions to problems, and the knowledge that it will be supported for a very long time.

[@LukeRT]

I love how these things were suppose to be $20 and for everyone now they cost a small fortune lol

[@PiskenDragen]

It still costs way less than conventional computers.

[@TheBroz]

$80 is a 'small fortune'? It really isn't. Lower end Pi are still much cheaper.

[@rorychivers8769]

People keep wanting it to run PS2 games, what exactly do you expect?

[@MrBrax]

@@TheBroz they're slowly being replaced, soon we only have the 100€ pi 4 and 5.

[@ChaoticanarchyX]

103$ for Pi 5 (80$), case (10$) & power supply (13$) .... That's not cheap......

[@larrytron1992]

I remember using Raspberry Pi when it first came out, I was amazed with just how powerful it was for its small size. I'm glad they're still going strong

[@orangehatmusic225]

I am amazed that they went from $20 to $100

[@blunderingfool]

​@orangehatmusic225 Low end units are still cheap.

[@orangehatmusic225]

@@blunderingfool $88 on amazon for the RPI5 4gb .. cheap.. no.

[@TheStuffMade]

@@orangehatmusic225 They just added more models, you can get a Pico for $5, so I don't know what you're talking about.

[@piyh3962]

When was a B model ever $20?

[@PhoticSneezeOne]

As much as i love the Pi... for around 100$ there are plenty of used micro PC options out there like optiplex micros with far more processing power

[@DanielLopez-up6os]

Sure but they're not gonna be only consuming 25 watts while doing it.

[@chutcentral]

Cool. I don't care 😂 ​@@DanielLopez-up6os

[@anno5936]

"only consuming 25 watts" is an issue; you easily get a PS2 slim that runs on 25 watts with perfect, not 50% gameplay. Therefore as impressive as the Pi5 is, it is not competitive in my book. If you go the micro PC route with a used ryzen 2nd gen onwards you get away with an average of 40 watts, cheaper integrated storage, no compromise on any of the discussed systems and still some headroom for older PC titles and easy PS3 emulation. Even if you want something new that beats the Raspi5 at the same price, Intel N100 chipset is an option at around the same power consumption. Whichever way, current mobile SoCs are starting to show up in handhelds that can do even PS2 on a level above the Raspi5 at roughly twice the cost, so whatever happens in the future, I am very optimistic about emulation getting both cheaper and more energy efficient

[@DanielLopez-up6os]

@@chutcentral that's the main point of a Raspi tho? Lowish power consumption, good perfomance in a very tiny package.

[@WatevaMelon]

​​​​@@DanielLopez-up6osbeing cheap was also its main point. When it was $35 it was debatable to get it over a chromecast which was priced similarly. Now that it cost more than a chromecast, people like me will probably just stick with a chromecastchrome cast. I bought both 1st and 2nd gen raspberry pi, when they made chromecast with android, i didnt hesitate to use that instead and stopped using the pi. Even with the Pi's upgraded performance, I'm not swayed enough to buy one at an $80 price point. If I wanted an actual dedicated computer, I'd buy one. I'm not sure I'd want to spend $80 just to tinker with something that will probably just end up being another media player, when there are cheaper options.

[@PhantomHarlock78]

So glad they solved the issue of no being able to buy the 4 by not being able to buy the 5.

[@Evilkingus]

It is readily available everywhere?

[@jajabinx35]

I don't know where you guys are looking at. I'm looking at lot of stock avail at the main reseller where I'm from

[@1996connor]

So many in stock for £60

[@TheStuffMade]

Plenty in stock at my local reseller, from $62 for just the board with 4GB, up to $128 for 8GB with cooler, box, power adapter and SD card. Their only limit is max 10 per order.

[@betag24cn]

they say they make 90k pis per week and still not enough the demand is absurd

[@teknoman117]

A further note on the power supply - the 5V@5A USB-PD profile it wants is not an official profile. Devices in this power class are supposed to use the 9V@3A profile and include a switching regulator to get whatever voltages they need. However, for whatever reason Pi foundation decided they didnt want to increase the BoM cost or didnt feel they had space on the PCB. This means that none of your USB-C power supplies will work, even if they support 20V@5A. You have to go buy one with the special profile.

[@sevbait]

Thanks for this 👍

[@choirulabidin9890]

Most powerful 5v adapter I ever encountered is 3A.

[@wich1]

Yeah, this was a really stupid decision, because it basically just raises the price of a raspberry pi 5 with $15 because you effectively have no option but to get both the board and the psu. And that while practically everyone already has some USB-C laptop PSU lying around that can easily provide the power needed.

[@nickwallette6201]

My first thought: 5A?? Why not just use 9/12V? That SoC isn’t running at 5V either, so there’s already a regulator onboard…

[@tarakivu8861]

Wow, yet another stupid decision by the Raspberry Foundation.. do they ever stop?

[@Nightykk]

Using up towards 25W.. That's the point where you might consider just getting a NUC, or AsRock A300/X300, and some lower-end Ryzen APU (2200G, 3200G, 4600G, etc). A300 with a 2200G, 32GB RAM, 4x SSD, idled at about 14W.

[@petergregoriou2574]

Thanks for the review MVG. You might be better buying a second hand 7500t or 9500t mini office pc running batocera. It seems like it'll run emulation smoother and costs similar money, especially if you use an ebay coupon etc. The pi5 is expensive here in Aus and I don't see the value proposition. I've bought every main version pi since the first and unfortunately won't be continuing the tradition.

[@happyspaceinvader508]

That depends on whether form factor is also a consideration. In terms of price, performance and size… I don’t think there’s anything better than the Pi5.

[@suburbia2050]

@@happyspaceinvader508 plus things like electricity bills!

[@cloudycolacorp]

I had a ton of fun emulating stuff on a pi 3 a few years ago. Felt like such an elegant solution at the time even though it was cheap. Now I think emulating on SBCs doesn’t really make as much sense, especially when one of the chinese emulator handhelds with HDMI out is cheaper. The drivers always suck so much on SBCs too

[@wingedhussar1453]

Except the hdmi ones can't run ps2 gamecube

[@cloudycolacorp]

​@@wingedhussar1453 Is running some of the PS2 and GC library with performance compromises and hacks required really THAT much of an advantage? Still other devices that would be better choice for emulating that gen

[@abcbfg]

@@wingedhussar1453 you can buy nettops that cost 100 bucks and under, they will support gamecube, wii, ps2 and lower due to x86 and etc. Many of them have i3 and normal gpus with normal drivers

[@bryanmiranda6674]

​@@wingedhussar1453the retroid pocket 2s will run gamecube and ps2 better than this for only $99 and so will the rp3+.Not to mention the rp4 that just came out.all with hdmi,bluetooth,wifi,etc.

[@Mampersand]

I love the idea of a Pi, but over the last couple years I just keep coming back to the fact that by the time I add a power supply, case, cooler, storage, etc, I might as well just buy a significantly faster micro PC. You can buy refurbed 9th gen models for $150 or so.

[@TheSliderW]

compatibility and perf will be higher until the ARM ports start getting more optimised. An old quad core (thinking core 2 quad) PC with a gtx 440 can run PS2 games without a sweat in 2x resolution scaling. Now, this is certainly not efficient if your the one paying the electricity bill but for occasional retro gaming, it's cheap and good enougth + you get analog out with VGA or DVI connectors ready for a sweet CRT monitor or TV if you manage to find one for that extra retro feel...

[@ryecatcher25]

I got multiple i5 7600t mini pcs for 50bucks off ebay. Completely blows away thr pi5

[@TheSliderW]

@@ryecatcher25 Pretty good haul. That should run pretty much anything in SD resolutions and maybe even the wiiu with some perf hacks.

[@dyhidrogenmonoxide]

Yeah, it used to be you could get set up for ~$30-$40 and an old usb charger you had lying around… sure the leaps in performance are nice, but it’s not the same.

[@64kram]

Larger firm factor and draw more power. Don't be upset about having too much choice - it meets other people's requirements well.

[@gabrielshepard]

Its an amazing time for emulation and compact systems!!! Use to be youd have to have a full tower, overclocked and loaded to the gills to run half that stuff and at nowhere near full framerate. I've had wallets that were larger than the Pi 5!!!!! This is soo amazing!!!

[@RaspberryRip]

Really looking forward to using my Pi 5 8GB now. Thanks for another great video.

[@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece]

The most optimistic number I could get was about 250% as fast, but definitely not 250% faster. 150% faster was probably what you meant.But slightly more then double seems to most accurately describe the performance in synthetic numbers.

[@8-bithitz387]

I've always been a raspberry pi fan and it's great to see it keep getting better and better. It was my first taste of emulation many years ago. My steam deck is my primary emulation machine now, however if I can find a raspberry pi 5 at a decent price, I would love to tinker with it. Great video as always!

[@neqkk]

My problem with the raspberry pi4 was essentially that while the console emulation often worked well, TV emulation shaders were often too slow for realtime..

[@TheOfficialOriginalChad]

That’s odd…I wonder why specifically TV shaders.

[@LoganE01]

​@@TheOfficialOriginalChad I think because they use CRT emulation or similar, sometimes the decent ones are two or three layers and heavy. I was using a really decent one there for a while on pi4, but required overclocking if you was to use the run ahead. Only played super Nintendo though on it. I think I'm going to wait til pi 6 personally. By then they might have slightly larger boards with the full pcie. I have a small 90watt ryzen system with a wx 2100 and it's fairly decent, and small, and of course uses a lot less power than my 850watt gaming PC, and that's really what I was trying to do with the PIs.

[@DailyCorvid]

It was because the graphics were provided by shared memory which is fine, but the memory bandwidth was not sufficient for that plus storage streaming from the HHD/SSD. Hopefully the 5 will have solved this issue. Pi4 was far too weak anyway, I am pleased to see 5 get a big upgrade.

[@ginxxxxx]

@@TheOfficialOriginalChad i think he means just shaders (as effects to make it look like a tube tv)...as shaders are programs that run on a gpu, if it is forced to run on a cpu it is technically not a "shader" and will run slower. i don't know who is the liar.

[@ginxxxxx]

@@LoganE01 part of being decent is running at a good frame rate.

[@infinity2z3r07]

these are cool for people with a pathological need for the smallest possible computers. go just a bit bigger and the performance gets really insane.

[@kefling]

Tell me please I'm trying to make a miniature pc that only runs halo ce

[@Erayzor76]

I had a Pi 3+ then got a 4, but decided this time to go down the mini pc route (Trig Key) as wanted to emulate switch and similar demanding systems without issue.

[@vansdan.]

hey im in the market, trigkey is good for switch, ps2, etc? how about ps3? or even pc? if youve tested those

[@TheTotallyRealXiJinping]

@@vansdan.PS3 is still in its infancy so its a game by game basis, PC games if you mean 2010 and back

[@f5203]

There's "gaming" pc's for a reason. A mini pc isn't going to play ps3, x360 nor switch well.

[@vansdan.]

@@TheTotallyRealXiJinping ok thats what i thought. good nuf for me.

[@feahnorl]

@@f5203that’s not true. I have a mini pc with a ryzen 5800h and plays ps3 and switch perfectly.

[@PiManiac]

Spent hours playing with PS2 emulation on Pi5 and found the RK3588 (or step up to the X1) to be a better option If you want to keep it strictly SBC. Regardless of SBC used however (& not really discussed or shown here) majority of ps2 games need unique tweaks and config setup to run & half of the Aethersx2 settings have zero input and will lock up/crash the pi5. Dropping in a PS2 ISO and just being able to play it won't happen often.

[@aziskgarion378]

Why are you playing with Aethersx2? You can't use PCSX2? Does PCSX2 requires certain emulation and instruction set that locks it to amd64 platform? Afaik Aethersx2 is a port of PCSX2 itself.

[@nick-leffler]

​@@aziskgarion378pcsx2 requires x86_64 not arm.

[@omgitsbats]

​@@nick-leffler Both of you are out of date. AetherSX2 is an ARM fork of PCSX2.

[@kiodiekin]

Lol🎉 u tellem maniac

[@DailyCorvid]

RockChips are similar to Pi's, I think the benefits of Pi foundation stuff are the better support package and more popular easy to find teaching packs. I just got two Pi5's for kids to learn on, and whilst RockChip would have been far cheaper - for teaching they are next to useless and that's the reason I went for Pi. RockChip is better for adult enthusiasts though, as you say it's better for tweaking if you have the skill. Not necessarily all that different hardware wise, but you can hack it to pieces if you know how, and that is always fun.

[@breakpack]

This does look great! If this was released a couple years ago, I'd be all over it. But like you mentioned at the end of the video, I bought a mini PC and I am very happy with the emulation power and performance of that! Pi 5 is cool. Great video!

[@VSMOKE1]

What mini pc you buy?

[@breakpack]

@@VSMOKE1 It's a MinisForum UM560XT. It's a bit older now, you probably could get something more powerful in the same price range. It plays XBox, PS2, Gamecube no problem.

[@LemonyVengeance]

great in-depth dive into this new offering. It's everything I've been wondering about it, and I'm glad you covered it!

[@TheRestartPoint]

I've mucked about with Pis a bit, they are perfect if a tiny form factor is essential but otherwise I have given up and sold them, you'll spend most of your life being slightly dissapointed with performance and trying to tweak that extra bit out of it, when really you get a hell of a lot more power and flexibility (Lakka, Batocera, Linux, Windows etc) with a cheap used small form factor (SFF or USFF) PC for around the same money or even less. The great thing is offices get rid of them by the truck load! IF you must have new hardware, the latest budget Intel chips like the new N100 are also substantially more powerful than a Pi and extremely cheap in new mini PC packages, for what they are capable of.

[@Broken_Yugo]

This, thin client, liter computer, SFF, mini pc, whatever you want to call them they're always the better deal for doing PC type things than starting from any bare board. I needed a new home print server so I just picked up a low power fanless Lenovo for $32 delivered with OEM PSU (newer than the machine even), SSD, ram, ready to run. Try doing that with a Pi or similar SBC after PSU, case, storage, etc.

[@TheShoe1990]

I got a Beelink SER7 Mini PC for Christmas & it has become my one & only emulation box. I've been able to play PS3, Wii U, OG Xbox, & Switch games at near perfect performance, along with many AAA PC games from the past five years.

[@Vett914]

I got the same! It’s an absolute beast! Like you said any emulation you can throw at it. I also use it as a server for highly modded games my online group and I join into. It’s been a blast

[@Stealth86651]

Man, as someone who's older it's absolutely insane to me how much power we can stuff into SOC's nowadays. Especially considering you can throw a case with a screen, external (or internal I guess) battery and run the thing mobile. I remember when I first bought my Nokia N810 thinking there was no way we'd make substantial improvements from that, yet here we are.

[@3dmarth]

Not wanting to rain on the Pi's parade, but I do want to mention that all kinds of old PCs from 5-15 years ago can emulate these systems, often with better results, so keep that in mind if you see people throwing out their old, unwanted computers. For reference, the Core 2 Duo I got in 2007 (over 16 years ago!) can handle anything up to N64 (even many Dreamcast games, and a few low-end GameCube ones). And the Core i5-4590 I got in 2015 can easily run demanding games like F-Zero GX at full speed, even with HD rendering.

[@NightcoreClips_]

Damn, zero gx at full speed with HD rendering on an i5? I wonder how much better my i7 13k series tied with my 4070 rtx would run zero gx, probably would the one beating up the game rather than the otherway arround 😂

[@3dmarth]

@@NightcoreClips_ You'll probably have to run at least four copies of Dolphin in 4K res at the same time, if you want to give that PC a workout!

[@NightcoreClips_]

@@3dmarth lol

[@mercuriete]

For the parts you find slowdowns you could report a bug to mesa. RPI5 drivers is too new to know if you are hitting a driver bug or a hardware limitation.

[@betag24cn]

this is the part i dont like about pi, always the driver let ypu down for months, years in fact

[@huldu]

It's crazy for me to think that little device is more powerful than the computer I had a bit over 10 years ago.

[@dominick253]

I have a amd a8 laptop that I use for my proxmox cluster. It can't even stream KZbin at720 and the pi5 does 1080@60.

[@povilasstaniulis9484]

I have an old Athlon x2 240 box from early 2010's serving as my secondary home server running some VMs. That box has CPU grunt equivalent to about a Pi 4. Pi 5 would absolutely trounce it. I was thinking about replacing that box with a Pi 5 or 4, but sadly there is still some stuff that doesn't run well on ARM.

[@yoshi314]

not to mention the power efficiency improvements.

[@fuzz11111111]

More power than a 10 year old cheap laptop (or similar low end hardware), but you wouldn't have been trying to game on that kind've thing even when it was new. About 12 years ago I built a desktop with an i7 3930k (6 core sandy bridge e) in it and I doubt the pi is anywhere close to that level of performance (considering that old computer can still run modern games albeit with lowered settings and an upgraded GPU).

[@Feret626]

More power than the computers that took people to the moon! Of course thats everything now a days

[@LAG09]

The Pi's been popular as an emulation board, but it's never been a very good solution. Because the series of chips its used are meant for (and primarily used in) set-top boxes so the VideoCore "GPU" series has always been first and foremost a video decoder. There's always been much better solutions with similar chips meant for smartphones and tablets with much more capable GPUs like the ODroid and Orange Pi series. I really wish people would look at those instead when building emulation boxes...

[@AnnoyedPancake-mf8bd]

Whats the best bang for buck device from those companies

[@abbe9641]

What you forget is versatility and long term support, you can buy an orange pi sure but if you wanna do anything else with it then you're likely SOL. Besides the pi 5 has a very capable gpu.

[@noahheninger]

The Orange Pi 5 will be a great choice once it has proper Vulkan support.

[@Xfade81]

But now that this one fares better, do those still perform better ?

[@beezle1976]

Earlier Orange Pi had an even weaker gpu and odroid is a different pricepoint. Also, raw power equates to squat if support isnt there. That's one area the Pi is untouchable.

[@coyote_den]

Likely issue with KI/KI2 is I/O speed. The transitions and such in KI are streamed off the game's "hard drive" so if that is slow, the game will stutter even if it's being rendered at 60 fps.

[@nickwallette6201]

That’s a reasonable theory, but if the title screen with a 1994 copyright was for the arcade version, it wouldn’t have had a very fast HDD either. Not sure what the storage architecture looks like on the Pi5 but it wouldn’t take much to beat the throughput of your average mid-90s HDD. Let alone solid-state seek times.

[@V3Efreet]

Most big shoot em up have issue on mame in general, mostly input lag. They can run passably with run ahead but most dedicated shmup players run them in custom tweaked mame versions optimized to reduce slowdowns and input lag.

[@Wooksley]

If you wanted an emulation box I'd rather invest in a Ryzen based miniPC, 8-core zen4 with rdna3 graphics and ddr5 memory is just awesome. Way more pricey, but you get a modern x-86 cpu on 4nm lithography with all of the efficiency and software support that comes with it. Heck, you could play modern games on those things, nevermind emulation. Pies aren't really ideal for gaming because arm.

[@adeedaas]

“Why would you swat a fly when you could use USS Turner Joy”

[@MysteriousFigure]

@@adeedaas Sure maybe don't go full bang, but n100 based minipc's and so on can be had in the same ballpark as a full kitted pi5, and you get the advantage of better performance, not having to use a weird supply and full x86 compatibility, so you can put and basically run what you like, along with normal driver support and not necessarily being tied to an ecosystem, pi's have their uses, sure, but I think the pricing is starting to go off the cliff, and the minipc's are really a lot of competition in comparison, even outside of just the emulation context as well

[@Wooksley]

@@MysteriousFigure good point, n100 is an awesome choice if you’re on a pi-type budget, didn’t even think about those. Maybe the new 15th gen mobile chips will be a good choice as well, assuming they make some budget friendly ones with decent gpus. Arm is good and all, but lack of software support hurts it, and the chips in pis are manufactured on legacy nodes anyhow.

[@kmieciu4ever]

@@Wooksley Yeah. The Broadcom BCM2712 is the 16nm while Intel N100 is Intel 7 Lithography. When Intel beats you at efficiency, you know you're doing something wrong.

[@Caluma122]

Reading a lot about buying used Intels for less than a Pi 5 and I think you are missing the point of the Pi 5. It's a hobbyist, learning PC, for computer science first, not a games machine. Your Intel offering doesn't allow for serial connection to a VT100 or GPIO pins to interface over I2C. It's Linux based and runs an ARM chipset. It is a different beast. It's form factor makes it ideal for the hob wanting to build a 3D printer, drone or any other DIY project. I bought a used Intel i5 office computer in 2019 for £80 and it was mental performance for the money. But it was infinitely bigger, consumed ridiculous amounts of power by comparison and lacked the aforementioned features.

[@jed2055]

@Caluma122 Only half right. Many viewers here are commenting because of the misleading title which does not reference experimenting, drone building, 3D printers or any other DIY projects or hobby stuff at all. Discussing other options than the Pi for game emulation is on pointe for this video. I suggest you head on over to a Pi maker forum and go for it.

[@TripleKOShorts]

The Pi was cool a decade ago but with the relase of mini PCs, it's pretty much DOA when it comes to emulation performance. Any cheap Ryzen Mini PC will crush this and by the time you buy all the Pi accessories, you're better off spending a bit more for a MIni PC.

[@Ittiz]

It's a little powerhouse, my brother got my son one of those for Christmas. My son uses it to play Minecraft and it does it pretty well.

[@seto007]

An "$80 Gaming Beast"... ... That you have to buy a cooler for... ... And a power supply for... ... That seemingly can't run most GameCube games at native res at full, stable speeds... There are full portable systems like the Retroid Pocket 4 that come with everything you need, can play almost all PS2 games at 2x resolution at full speed, and which cost only a fraction more than the Pi after you add up everything you need, so i have no idea where all the praise for this system is coming from.

[@betag24cn]

that is completelly true, but if your goal is make projects with it, and not jist play old games, it can do tjat too, the units you mention have 0 flexibility if you dont understand the goal of a sbc or the limitation this video has, well.

[@seto007]

@@betag24cn that's fine, though even within the realms of SBCs the Pi is overpriced for what it offers compared to it's competitors, and the only advantage it still has is that it has tons of community support for hardware add-ons since it was the first mover. If though, as seems to be the case outlined in this video, your only goal is to use it as-is for a low-cost emulation box, there is no reason whatsoever to buy it over it's competitors.

[@betag24cn]

@@seto007 another advantage is quality, you dont hear often about dead pi sbcs, mostly telated to shorts in psu or gpio but in the end all is about support and if you can find help easy, banana and orange seems great but if i have problems with kernel, drivers or making something i need work, well, you know

[@jed2055]

@@seto007Absolutely spot on mate. This is NOT a gaming beast; that's click bait stuff. I did like the video tho but the title, not so much. Also as a fellow Aussie I'm disappointed this vlogger does not answer questions from his viewers AT ALL from what I've read so far.

[@machoman6969]

Bro never heard of click bait

[@csalcedof]

Excellent video, thanks. You really go above and beyond in detail.

[@ViceCityGamerzPodcast]

Love to see this advancement! Thanks for covering, MVG

[@yerkluvr]

have you tried any tony hawk games on ps2?

[@FoxbatStargazer]

The cave shooter issue might be a refresh mismatch? I.E. the arcade is emulated in something like 57 hz matching the original, but is displayed at 60hz on the Pi introducing some choppiness.

[@jimbotron70]

This

[@cadderley100]

I love these Raspberry units, and I'll tell you why. Because, years ago, we used to all go down the arcades, and we ploughed pounds into arcade machines every weekend. Then consoles came along and, more or less, killed off the arcades, as well as the arcade gaming community along with it, and we were a community, where everyone knew everyone. Instead of going to the arcade at the weekend, we all turned more inward and went round our mates house instead to go on their Snes. The arcade machine games almost died a death. Since the Raspberry units came along, there has been a resurgence in the selling of Bar Top Arcade Machines. Now, we can all have a Bar Top Arcade Machine in our bedroom, for several hundred pounds, with several thousand games loaded on to it. This Raspberry PI system has completely, almost on it's own, revitalised the retro gaming genre, helping to keep games that I haven't played for almost 20 years alive. Games like Ghouls 'N Ghosts, Toki, Strider and Final Fight. For that, for their service to the longevity of retro arcade machine gaming, I will always be grateful. Without systems like the Raspberry PI, the arcade game genre could have died a death a decade ago. I fully intend to buy a Raspberry PI based Bar Top Arcade at some point in the future. The reason why I don't have one now though, is because I have my Steamdeck right now. Otherwise, a Bar Top Arcade, powered by a Raspberry PI 5, would be on the cards.

[@tarnvedra7850]

I was a raspberry pi fan especially with the 3B stuff as it was cheap and cheerful but I think there are better and more options now. My preferred solution atm is Xbox Series X and dev mode for Dolphin/PS2 and a frontend app like Launchpass. I don't think I will buy a PI5, I do still have the 3B and a Pi 400 though to tinker about with...

[@erikkarsies4851]

Xbox Series X is the first console in a long time that has a better price/performance ratio for emulation purposes than (new) self build PCs, because MS is selling them very cheap atm. But the question is how long they let emulation be possible in dev mode?

[@freerunner7822]

@@erikkarsies4851easy: they let emulation until they let dev mode...

[@sword6449]

New MVG vid?! I understand only surface knowledge tech but I’m here to nod my head and agree like I’m part of the group! Let’s go!

[@stormkiller4148]

If you can buy it for that price...

[@peruxD1000]

@@victor.elkinsi think he‘s talking about availability

[@VanillaMidgetSSBM]

​@@victor.elkins I think he means its expensive on the secondary market and probably has people gouging the price If you go through pishop (an authorized retailer) its only 80 usd

[@BurningEmerald]

@@victor.elkinsGracious.

[@thesidneychan]

​@@victor.elkinsthe raspberry pis were scalped, and resellers were selling them at much higher prices.

[@DestroyerOfWombs]

Preorder + patience = MSRP

[@eg39701]

The Raspberry Pi line of hardware makes me feel so old. Like when I was so young(er) and I remember messing with the 1 came out, I was so excited for the 2, and then it came, then I forgot, and the 3 came out, then the 4, and now the 5 lol.

[@Standbackforscience]

People who are gushing about the Raspberry Pi 5 are either not seeing or are just unaware of the original purpose of the Raspberry Pi project. It was meant to be about affordable, low-power, general purpose mobile linux computing. It was never supposed to be a gaming system. The Pi 5 is a total betrayal of the original spirit of that project. I own about 20 Pi's of various types, but see no point in buying a 5, because it is mediocre at best for gaming, while ridiculously overspecced and overpriced for general purpose computing.

[@TheStuffMade]

I wouldn't call it a beast, but it's fine for emulation of older consoles and arcade games.

[@ToniaGlitched]

as someone who have a "scrap" 10 years old gamer laptop that can run GTA 5 on high and almost any emulator up until the ps2, altho the battery doesn't work and I had to get a SSD because it had no HD, which I got for free (the laptop, not the SSD), I think getting an old laptop might be cheaper and work better depending on which model you get

[@coopertown1493]

Care to give me some names examples? trying to get a emulator console for my brother, for xmas gift

[@ToniaGlitched]

@@coopertown1493 I have a HP laptop with an i7 4510U and a GeForce 840M as it's GPU, but if you don't know much about hardware it might be best to see some reviews and videos showing what the products you wanna buy can run, and look at which suits best your needs (and is within range of your budget, even if you do know about hardware that's the best way to ensure a good buy). Also, usually you'll have to replace the battery of any old laptop you buy, if you wanna use it as a laptop instead of like it was a desktop pc.

[@agentmith]

Nice to see scalpers still have the market cornered. None of the official shops have Pi 5s available still, and I’ve been checking every couple months. I guess the good news is that Pi 4s are widely available again now that scalper bots aren’t hammering these sites the minute they go on sale.

[@GM-by7tc]

THUMBS UP, $80 dolla holla sounds like a great price. Going to build one for my nephew

[@MegaManNeo]

I hope our local shops have the 8G model back in stock soon. Then again, I might just as well get an Intel N100 mini PC and get the same.

[@betag24cn]

if that is your goal, sure, most people buying a pi have other projects in mind, but if emulate is your only goal, the n100 should cost the same and run x86 withput much problems

[@MegaManNeo]

@@betag24cn Eh, I use Pis in many ways but given GPIO boards for x86 machines exist too, I almost wanna save my money and use it otherwise. Love the RPi tho.

[@DJ-Art-Morris]

I’m glad yt put your channel in front of me. Subbed 🙌🏼

[@VSMOKE1]

We are at the point where you need to run PS2 for at least a 150 bucks flawlessly

[@gonzalomartinez3237]

The Saturn emulation runs at 60 fps but not at full speed. Those emulators dont skip frames when can't keep up, but instead they run slower. You can tell by watching the timers in Virtua Fighter and Daytona USA that they are running running at least at 75% of the desirable speed.

[@xtalviper]

The problem for me is that the Raspberry Pi used to be a CHEAP Linux computing solution. Having to get a powerful enough power supply as well as the cooling makes this like everyone has said, something that is now mini-PC range, and there are many better and cheaper options if you're looking to do emulation. They need to cater towards the original crowd, where it's a very inexpensive yet robust computing solution. The ability to run X11 and such in the beginning was a nice-to-have, not a necessity, but now they are pushing towards the higher powered graphical-centric path, which would be great if they were still selling at really low prices - but they are not, in fact mostly the opposite.

[@AlistairBrugsch]

The situation is a little clouded at the moment as they haven't released a 1 or 2 GB model yet and that's usually where they get back to the "cheap Linux computer" point in fact the 4 GB model is priced closely to the 4GB pi4 retail price. Of course they may just keep the 1 and 2 GB models in the pi4 line and below... So 🤷

[@SnakebitSTI]

I'm not sure how much of that is on the Raspberry Pi Foundation and how much is on consumers. Raspberry Pi competitors have been gaining ground by pushing out barely supported SBCs with more power than their RPi counterparts. But also the RPF's inability to meet demand means it makes more sense for them to sell at a higher price point.

[@pgtmr2713]

I bought a Pi5 4GB the official fan cooler official power supply and a 256GB USB flash all for just under $100. How is that not cheap, all new. Overclocked as soon as I could. 3200/950. Playing PS2 on it.

[@KesSharann]

Business computers are sold by the pallette. You can get a fairly modern amd for under $100, power supply included.

[@Nenga117]

That ending song sounded very crisp! Had me dancing!!!

[@DetroitMetroRetro]

So far I am very happy with recalbox on the rpi5. My rpi 5 is blowing everything away i throw at it

[@RazielIgor]

I had a Pi 3 back in the day, best part of that was that you could put it in your pocket with a small frame controller and its adapter, and you could have a portable gaming console wherever you had a TV or a monitor. I used to bring that to work on night shifts and play games on my free time.

[@omegapointsingularity6504]

But can it run KZbin?

[@GURken]

8 years ago I was impressed with the Pi but today not so much. It isn't as affordable as it used to be and it still not as powerful as I want it to be. And there are much more alternatives. I think the only thing that keeps Pi stays afloat is its audience. Without enthusiasts this project wouldn't stand a chance.

[@erikkarsies4851]

Unfortunately the RK3588(S) based systems aren't in the same price-range, but the GPU is better suited for emulation of newer 3D consoles. (Except the Dreamcast which emulates great on almost all newer Arm based systems) If there ever will be a 'ShieldTV II' that probably will be awesome for it!

[@sovo1212]

The Orange Pi 5 is cheaper actually.

[@erikkarsies4851]

@@sovo1212 You have add the cost of the SSD and the casing then. Then it doesn't differ much in price. And don't forget both Raspberry as Nvidia win in the support part. I hear too many complaints about issues not being solved with RK chipsets. And don't forget the OPi5 isn't even that much faster than the Shield TV on the GPU side. A Shield TV II might be a total different beast. (I'm thinking Mac Mini M2 or M3 kind of performance a lot cheaper) But maybe if the RK3588S systems would go down in price I would consider it as a hobby project. But that's the problem with both the Pi5 and OPi5 : The price as a complete system isn't in the 'let's see what we can do with it' category atm. The original cheap but fun SBC market isn't showing much progress.

[@erikkarsies4851]

@@sovo1212 I've had now time to check the prices and OPi5 isn't cheaper here. Not even on Ali

[@TheJayMane]

I had a RP4 and after I saw the price of the RP5 after the case, fan, and everything it came out to basically the same as a Beelink S12. I didn't need the headers since I still have the old RP4 if I need to tinker, so I bought one of those and it's been great. It's not much bigger than the RP, has 16GB of RAM, 512GB NVME, N100 processor, and an Intel UHD Graphics 750. Compared to most of the statistics I've seen, it's double the benchmarks of the RP5. It could easily be a dedicated emulation machine, or be capable of running 2 or possibly even 3 docker containers simultaneously depending on what you need to run.

[@rossbalch]

I think RK3588 boards like the Orange Pi5 represent much better value for money. I think the days of the Pi's dominance in this space are coming to an end. The only thing keeping it hanging on at this point is community support honestly.

[@sovo1212]

Community support it's in its infancy, but it's definitely there. It needs to be more massive first. But you have to keep in mind Orange Pi is a chinese company, and western anti-China propaganda is still strong, negatively impacting sales.

[@karersio7062]

its about $150 with everything (sound card, micro sd card or usb ssd, mouse, keyboard, power supply and more)

[@Stabby666]

I found the PSP emulation with the pi4 was completely unisable with any game, even with no up scaling. Even overclocked it couldn’t run something like Pac-Man at more than 10fps with the sound glitching. I have a couple of Pi5s now that I’ll be using to replace the pi4 in my media centre/retropie setup.

[@juelz4516]

Weird my 3b+ runs psp games mostly perfect?

[@Stabby666]

@@juelz4516 not here - the Pi4 is fine with all the Sega systems and Nintendo up to the N64 but PPSSPP was pointless. I uninstalled the emulator as it was just wasting space. Hoping the pi5 will be able to run them as it’s at least double the speed. Weirdly I also set up an old gaming PC to run RetroArch (i9, 64GB, RTX3060, NVME drives) and the performance was terrible using 3 different ways of installing in Ubuntu. I resinstalled Windows and it's now working great!

[@Uno943]

To your point MVG. For about $125 you can buy a Mini PC with a Ryzen 2400GE CPU/APU that can do all emulation you noted in this video plus 3DS, Wii, WiiU, and some lightweight PS3 emulation.

[@kiodiekin]

I was expecting more from this video and maybe a little more research or understanding of how the emulators work. I can tell there was very little research or time spent on how to use or optimized the dolphin and aestherx emulators for this video which gives a wrong impression. Not everything is just plug and play and a basic google or yt search would show where emulation truly stands performance wise with ps2 and Wii/gamecube emulation.

[@jaredlegenzoff9595]

In your opinion, is the RPi 5 better than the Orange Pi 5 in terms of emulation performance? On paper, the OPi 5 seems more powerful (definitely for CPU, but I'm not sure how the GPUs compare), but the driver/software support isn't as great. Based on this video, the GPU often seems to be the performance bottleneck, so I thought you might have some insight.

[@kiodiekin]

⁠over all the orange pi5 is stronger and better. Raspi has better support and optimization right now. Please don’t let this video be a representation of gpu and ps2 performance. I have pretty much everything running full speed. Content creator didn’t optimize the emulator to run correctly none of what’s shown is a representation of the hardware or gpu limitations

[@NeptuneSega]

Fpr the price of a Pi kit, any mini PC will trounce it and youll have more options on what to install and use it for. Many even have super low wattage

[@razvanmazilu6284]

For emulation/gaming, I'd go for a mini PC over a Pi5 any day. Especially if you have to buy all the extra stuff you need to get the most out of the Pi5. For the price of a fully kitted out Pi5 you can get a mini PC that will run rings around the Pi5 in terms of processing power. I just don't see the value proposition in the Pi5 anymore, unless you really feel the need to tinker with the latest version. Not when you can get a N100 system for less than 150 bucks. Some go as low as 100 bucks, depending on where you live and what deals are available locally.

[@raghuvaidya5485]

Does anyone know the game playing at 1:02. looks fun

[@amethyst-GG]

Wave race

[@donm7928]

RP has gone a long way and its also gotten a bit expensive. In my country it's more practical to grab a used Dell Optiplex or HP EliteDesk and get more out of it.

[@betag24cn]

definitively, if the cost is the biggest factor for you, pi is not a option that used del is a viable option i personally would onlu buy a pi if i had a project in mind for it, just emulate games that i dont have the roms, no

[@JanvanRosmalen-lc2vm]

We call that inflation :)

[@herpderp3131]

Thanks! Came for the rasperry pi stayed for the info on emulation. Will try some stuff on muh gaming rig this weekend.

[@RealCheesyBread]

It's crazy to me that they would be dumb enough to expect 5v at 5A. At that point just implement proper USB-C power delivery standards and accept 12v (or maybe even 20v).

[@sonic2000gr]

Exactly. This is bad design. Forcing 5A on such cables is a very bad idea. Had they really used the proper USB-C standards, it could be powered by most modern USB chargers and power banks. Also 25W is no longer "low power". Adding up all the costs for a PI5, you can get a mini-PC with much better performance.

[@hansjd]

but the power brick show in the video is a USB-C PD 27W so i'm guessing that RPI5 is actually PD compliant... the 27W one shown has up to 15V@1.8A output

[@sonic2000gr]

@hansjd let's hope so. But the message specifically says 5A needed. I don't have a 5 and can't test but would really like to know if it can be powered by a typical USB charger

[@RealCheesyBread]

@@sonic2000gr It certainly can be powered by a standard charger, but it'll have to throttle and it won't be able to send power to peripherals if using a standard charger that can't supply enough power.

[@hectortd4]

I don't think we've seen the max potential from the 5 yet. Too early IMO

[@Shizzmoney74]

I can't believe Pi5 now can do PS2 emulation...thats amazing! I have a 3B+ and its pretty neat, awesome to see this tech growing. As for cooling, they have RGB coolers now and you know RPi AIOs are next lol

[@kennethd4958]

With all the add ons needed to get all the power out of the RPi 5 you’re getting into Mini PC price territory.. and you can probably find a mini PC around the same price that runs better and has more support for programs. I use to love Raspberry Pi’s. Back when their top model was still pretty cheap it made for a decent little cheap emulation box. I still use my RPi 4 once in a while. But going forward (personally) I just don’t see the value for what you get anymore.

[@awesomeferret]

We are still a long way off from beating the overall performance and value of actual ewaste PCs, but if size and power efficiency matter, wow is it amazing.

[@th3cub350]

If you can get one... out of stock for months and reservation for months.... :( definitly a beast for sure

[@Cyrus_Nagisa]

Yeap, mine has been paid for and backordered since September 29th -.-

[@GoldenHeartNecklace]

1:28 mah boy you were STRUGGLING there lol

[@EastyyBlogspot]

This is very well timed , my dad keeps getting these rubbish retro game machines from Amazon and I am thinking of just making a retro pi up for him

[@fillerbunnyninjashark271]

Or just get a single board mini PC instead

[@EastyyBlogspot]

@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 that would be a good idea...my worry is getting everything setup so my dad can use it.....has to be as simple as possible for him lol

[@abzhuofficial]

​@@EastyyBlogspotIt's not as daunting as you think it is, especially when there are ways to idiotproof a retro gaming PC setup

[@DarkestVampire92]

Considering Nintendo sells you two 50 dollar consoles with a small selection of games from NES and SNES... having one 100 dollar console that can do both, as well as N64 and Gamecube seems like a good deal to me.

[@ItsASuckyName]

I have a pi 4 that I turned into a retro game console running Batocera. I have about 6000 games on it from almost every major retro console. Works very very good, when everything is installed and set up it is just a matter for your dad to turn it on, select a game and play. I even have a "nes for pi" case for looks.

[@johannesdolch]

Does Retro Pie work now? When i tried it on my RPie 5 8gb a month ago it wasn't updated.

[@Dragonite1256]

If only it could do PS5 😅

[@arch1107]

you dont need to emulate ps5, just wait for the ps5 game to come to pc

[@dar5938]

Thanks for sharing this and all the data points. I think I’ll grab a raspberry pi 5. Question, what game is being shown @ 9:52?

[@codyisrude]

I can't wait for batocera to exit the beta phase for RPI5

[@roboman2444]

5v at 5 amps? This isn't a Pi anymore. Its a arm-based NUC.

[@CatsandHotdogs]

The thing with Raspberry pi now is that you pay « only » 80 $ then you add a power supply, a SD card, a cooler and a casing and you are almost at 150$ where a used windows PC will perform as well or better for emulation. So to me the tech is cool, the small size is cool but the price is not anymore, at least since the 4 th iteration.

[@KernArc]

Unless you're opening a commercial arcade or something, i.e. expecting returns from your Raspberry Pi based emulation station, you're not "investing", you're buying fun toys for your personal hobby and enjoyment 😉

[@jimbotron70]

Fun and joy are the returns on investment 😁

[@mughug9616]

Many seem to place performance or more features up there above everything else. For me it is a balance of features, performance, flexibility, community support, wide range of add-ons and software that make the real total package. I was so close to getting an Orange Pi 5 or 5 Plus or even diving into a RISC V setup, but the factors I mentioned were the deciding reason in the end for upgrading to the Pi 5.

[@DarkestVampire92]

A small note to add here: While the GPU is most definitely the bottleneck of the Raspberry Pis performance, Jeff Geerling and some other folks have made strides towards solving that bottleneck through running external graphics cards through the PCI connector. You might say that raises the price of the console, but most people probably still have an old PCIe graphics card lying around they're not using because they've long moved on to better ones... well, even a 1GB graphics card from the mid 2000s when PCIe just came out, or a cheap one you can buy for 30-50 dollars would be an immense performance boost to the Pi. Currently its still in its infancy with drivers and adapter boards still being developed, but the early work is really promising. It might be discouraging to some to have to run a seperate power supply next to the Pi, but that power supply would have no problems powering the Pi, the graphics card, the adapter board and god knows what else you throw at it. A mini-PC case and you're set.

[@feahnorl]

It’s just better for the same price to get a mini PC that’s going to be much faster than the pi5 and with a proper gpu.

[@Masterblack1991]

Then you need to set-up, connect adapter,maybe some type of case for the GPU and the PSU for the GPU etc. at that point just buy a mini pc,hide behind a monitor/TV and your done :)

[@DarkestVampire92]

@@Masterblack1991 Well if you don't like to tinker with hardware, sure. Raspberry Pi's are still meant for people who like to try things out and see what works, its not a plug-and-play solution. Never was, really... everytime it gets close to being a no-nonsense installation they release the next one.

[@JanvanRosmalen-lc2vm]

@@feahnorl oh well how much is the cheapest Beelink 7 then ?

[@feahnorl]

@@JanvanRosmalen-lc2vm You can get a intel Beelink for around 120-140 and a ryzen for around 250.

[@MonkeyPunchZPoker]

IMHO the RP lost all value when you can get an all in one Intel N100 for $40 more (I picked one up last month with dual LAN), and sometimes a J series AIO for the same price. Maybe if you're running of battery and every watt counts, but otherwise there's no point.

[@crisenbici]

Good luck to us finding a Pi5 at $80, the price will be twice at least because of scalpers and people like that.

[@WattTheTech]

Got mine from official Canadian seller for $142, Pi5, cooler, case and official PSU that's with TAX and shipping and is also Canadian. Official sellers do have them for the proper price.

[@arwlyx]

@@WattTheTech Can you buy me one

[@JanvanRosmalen-lc2vm]

there are many for sale on Ebay now and some at very reasonable prices :)

[@ФедяПупкин-с7э]

Hello I have a question. At the start video you said that rb pi4 could run dreamcast very well.... So, i have rb pi4 with retropie and redream on it. And the games such as Sonic2, any crazy taxi or DOA2 don't have fullspeed 60 fps in any time even with overclocked to 2000mhg raspberry... And i don't said about WInCE games... So what??? Or maybe I don't know something?

[@beetwing]

From a $35$ to $80…. Not buying this time.

[@Roosader]

$35 (for the 1 GB Pi 4) to $80 (for the 8 GB Pi 5) And the 4GB Pi 5 is 60 dollars while the 4 GB Pi 4 is 55 dollars. So literally almost no price hike. And you also have to consider that this thing is WAYYYYYYY more capable than the Pi 4.

[@arch1107]

it has not been 35 since pi 3 5 years ago, when it was available

[@Roosader]

​​@@arch1107The Pi 4 1GB RAM is 35 dollars.

[@techhit2132]

Great to see another MVG video.

[@MidnightPodcastGaming]

LOL WHAT A JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's called an XBOX Series X people. Get one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@th3cub350]

PI5 is around 90/100€ here for 120/130€ you can get a used Series S, better deal i think (at least if you are thinking at making an emubox).

[@MidnightPodcastGaming]

@@th3cub350 Sure. Either X or S is perfectly fine. Yep!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@MenaceInc]

Steam Deck is cheaper and far easier to set up for emulation. Get one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@MidnightPodcastGaming]

@@MenaceInc Why would I bother with that shit. You have NO IDEA what an XBOX Series X can do, do you? I emulate 360 games on it, you know, the 11,000 that are not in the XBOX library. I play PS3 on it. You can't even play PS3 on a PS5 lol. Can you play PS3 games on Steam Deck? YAH, didn't think so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@arch1107]

why are you shouting, do you need attention? do you even know what is the purpose of a pi5 at least?

[@aaronstone6204]

Sadly I think the time has passed for Raspberry Pi and other SBCs for retro-gaming. They are not competitively priced in relation to used small form factor PCs which offer greater computational power and upgradability to a degree.

[@monkev1199]

I get a feeling that the expectations are also increasing. Sure the $35 price point could have been kept, but it would be a far smaller 10-20% performance increase rather than the 2.5x. Everyone else in the market is the same price as the current Pi5 because the competition isn't operating on the same scale.

[@aaronstone6204]

@@monkev1199 They did everything right with the Raspberry Pi 2 & 3. Good price and decent performance in relation to its cost. From the Pi 4 onwards I don't know what they doing. The devices are overpriced with needless models. The focus used to be on optimising software for increasing performance. I believe they want to do away with their charitable status. Sounds to me like they have got too big for their boots. They will learn the hard way though when their customers go elsewhere.

[@sadmanpranto9026]

How is it better than a cheap n100 (or even older) Mini PC?

[@CDubya.82]

With the cost increases for SBCs, you're better off spending a small amount more and getting a mini PC box. Beelink and many others with some that include Ryzen graphics and decent processing power.

[@betag24cn]

if your only goal is emulate games, sure people buying pi often will do other projects with it, not just play games