Why Are Boys Underperforming So Badly In Education?

[@ChrisWillx]

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[@WayneLynch69]

The didactic model of sit still/quiet/attentive goes explicitly against boys nature. They must be up and involved, best of all out of the classroom to be exposed to roles/occupations where males performing those skills can encourage them. And those males WOULD want to encourage them; they know the barriers. Girls would do better without boys in the classroom to distract them, and boys should definitely be instructed separately and differently than the didactic model. REMEMBER: male physicians work in their discipline for over 30 years...females average 11 years!!

[@eddie-ni5ox]

Such a cuxx, still claiming the wage gap myth, still saying that no one saw this coming, There was the establishment in 1902 Education Act and several very prolific documents/ books with John Dewey involved who actually proposed to take children away from parents as communal property and B Russel said not necessary, they will own their minds, and tons of Eugenicists/ Thule Societies/ Royal societies/ Fabians with great debates, this is over 100 years in the making. What kind of research do you people do !

[@classicalmechanic8914]

Problem is with education. Boys are not lower in intellegence than girls, but refuse to cooperate in a system, where you are forced to just follow orders and you are being reduced to consumer slave where your only purpose in life is work and consume.

[@calesaucer6999]

I’m a high school English teacher. As a guy, I sympathize greatly with my male students. However, NONE of this will change for the better until we stop pushing college for every child and start offering full-time vocational paths during secondary school.

[@CrucialFlowResearch]

We need to stop affirmative action for women in science and let men do their thing

[@legalfictionnaturalfact3969]

"as a dude i sympathize with dudes"... oh wow, how unique and different. a dude taking up for dudes. haha. you think being a dude is hard? try dealing with stereotype threat as a girl or woman. amazing that now that we're ALLOWED to go to school, we're outperforming. gee, i wonder why dudes ever kept us out. XD "college" and most classroom format is ridiculous and harmful. it's just something that exists to create barriers to entry and make people with a modicum of cash feel special. lol. anything you want to do can be apprenticeshipped. yes, *anything*. (cue someone talking about law or med, when they are no exception).

[@dervishmichaels9147]

@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 - Empathy not allowed when sharing common traits? You sound fun to be around.

[@imdwgsolol]

@Legal wow, such a bitter response. we need to work together, not attack eachother

[@wong8987]

@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 we are talking about present, not the past. what is the point talking about the female struggle in the past when they are not allowed to school? so what? The fact is that we are having a widening reverse gender gap in education and it is growing in trend, and the fact that education system are very male unfriendly. It is something we should start addressing if we are really aiming for gender equality, and not supremacy

[@NelsonBlakeII]

Performance and competitive environments produce the best results for males, especially in teens. Boys are now applying their skills to gaming for this reason. It’s not just that games are fun. It’s the competitive and task driven nature of games.

[@TheVoltaire1]

Nail on the head

[@Charles50Kal]

My dad's school, grammar school, all boys, had competitive chart boards per subject. You could see where you were on the leaderboard and who was below you and above you. All male teachers too. Some of his peers did really well in life, one was a musician, the father of that actress who portrayed Charlotte in Inbetweeners, another peer was a scientist went to the north or south pole, two peers became Hong Kong policemen. I went to the same school... It was a comprehensive, mostly female school teachers... My year group did the worst for GCSEs in the school history. My dad touts I may have gone to the same building but not the same school.

[@retrogiftsuk4812]

Gaming is also something men can do where they are in control. Games do not score your performance weighted by your gender. They are level playing fields for all. As has been mentioned in many other comments, the education system favours girls (and will give higher grades to girls than boys even when if marked blind they should have been equal) There are scholarships and schemes to encourage girls into STEM but little or no effort taken to get boys into higher education. It is also interesting that gaming (that encourages logical reasoning, memory, strategy, visualisation, reflexes) is dismissed by society while reading (which although can help language development, is a generally more passive activity) is considered by society to be a worthwhile activity.

[@selenophile5256]

Lol tha schools literally hold *exams* ,how much more competitive ??

[@stealthbrawler]

@@selenophile5256 mostly because exams I’m highschool aren’t competitive, they’re something you just gotta get through and is the end result of the process that doesn’t insensitivize men to do very well in beyond if they wanna go to a specific university or college, but men are dropping in wanting to apply for college. I did great in exams and got 80s, my competition was mostly women and the level of sly resentment I’d get from my female teachers and classmates with “you’re really the smartest guy in the room huh” or “well good to know at least you’re one of the few boys getting high grades” when i was just good at remembering and bullshitting.

[@TheMichaelMove]

It takes a special person to overachieve when every day you are being told how toxic you are down to your most basic instincts.

[@ibizawavey8630]

bs, it is video games, ipads and anime. boys are spending way too much time playing video games and watching anime, something girls have zero interest in. Video games are insanely addictive, by age 8 or 9, boys are getting hooked on PRON which you conveniently left out. That's 4 addictions by the time the boy is in junior high. Girls' only addiction is reading stupid books and tiktok. The rest of the time they're gossiping or working on their homework. I HAVE children around, my cousins' children, 4 sisters with kids, i see the difference playing out right in front of me.

[@wong8987]

@@ibizawavey8630 pornography is the major issue for young men these day. The number of young men with problematic porn use is increasing rapidly. It is destroying their mental health

[@jamesturner1363]

Get a good group of brothers and make sure y’all push each other!!!

[@toserveman9317]

Correct. That's one reason.

[@zapatafa]

How is it that this point wasn't even addressed! To me this seems an obvious major component. If day after day, year after year, boys are being told they're toxic for just being boys, for interacting as boys generally do, for taking interests in the things that interest them, then it's no surprise that boys would withdraw and cease excelling in such an environment. Another component, something I've observed among young men, is a thirst to make real deeper connections with older masculine men.

[@DaRoyofficial]

The biggest factor I believe, that nobody wants to address out of fear of being outspoken, is that young men are increasingly developing a revolutionary mentality and are going anti system at every level. A lot of have realised how this system just wants to make us more docile and agreeable. Which either leaves some men unsure of what to do outside of the system or take matters into their own hands. I’d love to see the statistics on young male entrepreneurs vs female, that would indicate a lot if this generation of men are starting to identify outside of the system.

[@endigosun]

But men created the system and still control most of it… I don’t get it.

[@Boywonder543]

@@endigosun not this modern system no

[@JasonGulbin]

@@Boywonder543 yes, the modern system

[@scenopiachannel]

@@Boywonder543 lmao you think women created anything?? It was Jewish men who created modern feminism, the backbone of modern progressivism

[@ayoubzahiri1918]

divide to conquer, they are starting a new shiit of MEN VS WOMEN, wake the f up you sleeping apes, go take some ayahuasca or a large dose of shrooms or something idk

[@bruh...imnotgoodatnothing.4084]

We need more male teachers.

[@littlebilly8747]

Major in engineering, and your problem will disappear lol

[@ctg5679]

@@littlebilly8747 not necessarily

[@taylorc2542]

I can say that very few women will consider marrying a male teacher. It's a female profession because women can afford it due to the fact that they are subsidized by their husbands.

[@tantalus9306]

That and outlaw teaching CRT in school. Not teaching boys that they are irredeemably evil, oppressing all women(or just the whole world if your white), killing the planet, that having kids will only contribute to further dooming the world and that they should just basically give up to let the infallible women have their turn, might help them avoid loosing all hope as they lay flat on their bellies getting trample and asking for forgiveness for imaginary slights or the "crimes" of their long dead ancestors. I fell in that trap and am in my mid 30s. I know it has only gotten worst over the years and I really feel bad for kids today. Thank you boomers for destroying all our institutions after they served you so well!

[@AlexisXavier]

@@taylorc2542 they wouldnt have to be subsidized by anybody if we payed them a living wage Teaching is one of the most important professions in terms of shaping society

[@altprop826]

The underperformance of males in all levels of education is directly proportional to the rise in the number of female teachers in schools. I heard with my own ears female teachers discussing how to avoid 'encouraging' boys.

[@z-rex6068]

That’s sickening

[@fredajordan5704]

This is so frustrating but sadly true....

[@legalfictionnaturalfact3969]

well that's what happens when boys act creepy, pervy, overly confident, arrogant, self absorbed, and annoying. we take away anything that encourages that behavior. it's not rocket science. lol

[@dervishmichaels9147]

This guy is smart, but has some blind spots. He says there is no discrimination against boys or men, and at the same time talks about how there are zero initiatives to incentivize men to go into female dominated fields. This is a prime example of the discrimination. Notice how some people want more women in STEM because of the imbalance, but they aren't worried about construction, plumbing and garbage disposal. They like the imbalances, as long as it benefits women over men. That's not equality.

[@altprop826]

@@dervishmichaels9147 There is descrimination. It has been proven in UK studies that boys are marked down in tests by female teachers but girls are marked on a par by male teachers. Experts who say otherwise are either apologists or activists.

[@damoeb]

The fact that even this educated, unbiased guy believes the gender pay gap myth shows how deep this goes.

[@SpartanHoplite360]

Most people prefer to stay in Wonderland than see how deep the rabbit hole goes

[@Tushar_Talwar_09]

Exactly he also believes we should take a female psychologists opinion on how to get women seriously. He's just a bluepiller deep down. Imagine calling it wage gap instead of earnings gap. The man we thought was on our side just happens to be a closeted womanist. Imagine taking a woman's opinion on how to get women seriously.

[@legalfictionnaturalfact3969]

"itS a MyTH" doesn't prove anything, kiddo. i've seen the hr docs and yes, women are paid less for the same work (yes, this means same quality and usually better, misogynist morons out there). also, women get canned for being female frequently. i've sued for it, quite successfully. :D

[@taylorc2542]

The number 1 reason it's a myth is because women get TRILLIONs from men. Seriously, I work at a school and every female teacher I work with, except for one, is married to man who makes significantly more. Think about how much these women get, from the first date to the fact that they aren't paying their half of the mortgage. They are blind to how much they get just though marriage.

[@FightDight]

Wait wym the gender pay gap does exist? But it’s not men and women working the same jobs

[@anguswiebe]

The entire educational system is geared towards catering to women's and girl's needs and behaviours while eschewing and punishing that of men and boys.

[@davidhamilton6154]

It's Gynocentric

[@RevoltingPeasant123]

I think something that won’t be looked back upon favourably in this generation is the prevalence of drugging young boys, in order to tranquillise them, so their behaviour is more consistent with the expectations of adults in occupational education.

[@parrotshootist3004]

@@forgottenfuryan multi billions internationally. DV racket alone.

[@robertchaplin]

The whole social system please.

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

Not before the 1950's

[@jjasmin1000]

As a 28 year old man I've recently decided that my schooling will lead me to a teaching profession. It's odd because I've been reading and writing for a long time, but most men in my life shamed me for it. I think we've just culturally dropped the ball when it comes to this. I look up to so many men who were men of thought and action but for some reason we've merely associated masculinity to the cliche's of stupidity, beer, dad stereotypes, and man caves in recent years instead of that of the scholar, the warrior, or the gentlemen

[@jjasmin1000]

@@pablorages1241 thanks for the heads up. I imagine it to be a fight for sure, but a worthy one nonetheless

[@nienor1510]

Absolutely! Great point!

[@blueanodized]

Recently took a similar public sector role to give something back & try to help people. Four months in & I'm not really sure why I bothered. The cancerous wokeness is like some weird cult & the midwits who espouse it are thoroughly unlikeable. Good luck. 👍

[@juliekring7574]

Dating would be far easier as well. Educated women want a scholarly gentleman. You don't have to be educated to find the Peter Griffin stereotype of manhood detestable.

[@natillefoxy9881]

Exactly!! I really wish that more people was as honest as your comment.

[@RIZZYFLOURS]

Another reason is men or boys are under appreciated which makes them discouraged because the teachers are more harder on men/boys and expect more of them where as with women they don't want to hurt there feelings so they have more patients with them if that makes sense.

[@RIZZYFLOURS]

@@LiquidfirePUA yes he was 1-10 🤷🏾

[@joesmith1212]

Im a 27 year old male high school teacher, and constantly male students who are deemed 'psychos' or 'impossible' to work with come into my class and perform as good as any other students, even the really bad ones tend to at least respect me all because I am a positive masculine role model who doesn't just berate them for just simply being teenage boys. Then I hear of them in classes with the most agreeable, feminine teachers that claim they are 'disgraceful' students. Its the role models and HOW you speak to these young boys that are ruining their drive at school I personally believe.

[@unicron2109]

I went to school with male students who were deemed 'psychos' and 'impossible' to work with and they were indeed psychos

[@johnsmith2221]

I can’t tell you as a school counselor how many boy students do fine in a male’s class and get in trouble all the time in a female’s class.

[@zachanikwano]

From what I can remember I school, for most boys if they were treated with love and respect by the authority figures they were fine. HOWEVER. There were a subset of them that were actually psycho unless they were with the teachers who got scary when mad. Those boys were genuinely just terrible students.

[@c4blew]

The fact alone that there are Studies who have shown that boys get around 30% higher grades when the teacher doesn´t know it´s a boy, proves that there is indeed intentional bias against boys in schools! Many women in education these days, starting as early as Kindergarten, treat boys as defective, more aggressive girls that need to be "tamed"! I recently saw a dokumentary about the swedish pre-school system (actually it was about swedish dating struggles) and it was appalling how they treat these poor young boys and suppress their nature to make them more "equal" to women!

[@AstucesLangues]

Source? 🙏

[@ilysaportax33]

Source?

[@TheComingKingdomOfYahweh]

Yeah I remember watching a video on this. I'm not sure of the source for you guys asking but feel free to Google it for yourselves.

[@simleek]

Fascinating how Richard is effectively arguing eugenics, 'girls are just better, their prefrontal cortexes are more developed', using one factor out of millions, and there's no controversy, yet all the problems for women were with society and outside themselves... but I guess he's a result of, and an indicator of, his education.

[@tanyamilewski5700]

I actually disagree with his claim as a woman. This phenomenon shd be teaching ppl you can’t generalize ppl or put them in boxes. Not long ago it was women are less intelligent than men. That’s just sexism

[@alex-ff1mp]

no, he didn't said this. He only points to different speed in development as an average. Also testosterone has a profound effect - it force to take risks. If the setup is the risk are associated with dropping school that means is the way to go. Back in time the risks means to study and learn, so the most rebellious went to study. Also is mentioned but not enough the importance of parental figure in education. If the teachers are only (90%) women this will impact the boys attention.

[@colehastings9574]

@@tanyamilewski5700 he is just saying this education system is more beneficial for women as their brains are developed earlier. Noting about intelligence. If you got issues with this then stop complaining about your issues with your mood swings and periods. As they are also physical.

[@tanyamilewski5700]

@@colehastings9574 periods are a fact because blood actually comes out of women. Thats different from making claims about development speed. Says who? Howcome they were finishing high school and college before? I just think generalizations aren’t helpful they can cause harm Eg women were excluded from education based on some other guy’s generalization

[@tanyamilewski5700]

@@alex-ff1mp so why shd teachers be men if men take risks?

[@actualperson9628]

We are doers, not sitters. The pay gap exists because we work more hours. We work more dangerous jobs. We support many women who support us, but don’t earn a salary. How many women died erecting the office buildings women demand to be a CEO of? How many women die in the mines that supply the minerals in your MacBook or the coal needed to produce electricity? How many women erect those power infrastructures? Show respect for the backs that have broken for your pampered life.

[@zero1188]

Women choose jobs the pay less

[@Tushar_Talwar_09]

I think this KZbinr is a closeted male Feminist. Imagine calling it wage gap and not earnings gap. Knowing full well that wage disparity on accounts of gender was illegalised years ago. Imagine being a male feminist.

[@ReturnOfHeresy]

@@zero1188 More accurately undesirable jobs pay more, and women tend to avoid those jobs more than men do. They explicitly tend to sacrifice pay for other concerns. Then ignorant utopianists and skeevy opportunists do a uni-variate analysis and complain that a single variable has variations. It's not only unsurprising, it's exactly how things should be: you make different choices due to different priorities and you get different outcomes.

[@0rnery0verwatch]

@@kmc1872 Just like men dont have to take the dangerous jobs, women dont have to subject themselves to the dangers of child birth. But each sex plays a role intended to serve the other.. but neither side appreciates the other these days, especially the culture at large that denigrates men/fathers/boys for simply being masculine Its no wonder at all men are checking out

[@oMSoundblind]

@@kmc1872 You do realize society collapses without those jobs right? Also, men are literally 10 times more likely to die on the job. Danger levels aren't even close. (In 2020, there were 4,377 male occupational injury deaths in the United States, compared to 387 deaths among women) If you want to add maternal mortality to that for whatever reason as it has nothing to do with jobs and salary (861 in 2020) it is still is 4 times more likely for a man to die.

[@davidhamilton6154]

Society is Gynocentric

[@roykliffen9674]

It always has been. Women always were protected from the dangers of life and only when men made life safe enough they demanded the same rights as men and now in their selfishness demand even more. Western society is on a downward curve and will eventually break down as men no longer will want to break their backs to maintain essential services women depend on without a thought for those despicable men that enable women to be high and mighty in their comfort.

[@Tushar_Talwar_09]

@@MakeMeLo are you trying to say that women taking the easy way/ the path of least resistance towards getting money is somehow a damning proof that our society is not gynocentric? Try harder. I predict you to be a woman. You benifit from this system at the expense of men. Ofcourse you'll want it to continue like that because contrary to what the mainstream media will have us believe. Women are not the empathetic sex. They only have empathy towards themselves and maybe sometimes their children. They have 0 empathy for you as a man. Just make sure you show them zero empathy too when they have hit the wall and are whining about "Where are all the good men".

[@joer9156]

@@MakeMeLo absolutely. Let's think about what pornography and prostitution are. Easy money. Women are raking in cash by doing virtually nothing, and all that money is coming from men who earned it by actually doing something useful.

[@davidhamilton6154]

@@MakeMeLo Don't Hate the player, Hate the Game! Men trade resources for Access to reproduction and Women trade Access to reproduction for resources, its an eons old unwritten contract.

[@cadecope278]

“No one could’ve predicted this” No one could’ve predicted that giving heavily preferential treatment to women in a system that is already made to benefit them would negatively affect male engagement and performance. Seems pretty obvious

[@juliuscaesarsimp3430]

He's walking on a tightrope. If he upsets one feminist then msm will label him as a misogynistic white supremacist. Either that or he's just deluded to anything he finds offensive.

[@chrisa5631]

70% of all divorces in the US is initiated by women because there are incentives for them to do so. What we are seeing is a war against men.

[@seemlesslies]

@@forgottenfuryan I love how he said there was no data to show preferential treatment towards boys when THEY LITTERALLY HAVE DONE STUDIES TO PROVE THIS. That at all levels of education boys are not as encouraged and they are actively brought down. The most obvious one is when a paper has a boy name it will literally be graded worse by female teachers......they just change the name to a girl name and they give it a higher grade. This isn't the case with male teachers.

[@MarceccMC]

@@cantbendknee but..didnt the guests literally say noone couldve predicted this?

[@seemlesslies]

@@MarceccMC the dude is literally misinformed and just downright wrong about his assessment on the situation. It's very clear he is quite biased you can tell because he even talks about the pay gap being a real thing. Anyone that is even worth half their salt as a statistician would ever bring it up outside of the fact to mention it is a VERY flawed stat. That was intentionally used to manipulate people it is literally the most common form of data manipulation. Which is overly generalized data averages without contextualizing the differences. The pay gap is really a choice gap between men vs women. Women choose jobs that give them value and fulfillment men choose jobs that are more oriented towards money.

[@OfBronzeandBlaze]

His argument that there’s not an intentional judgement against boys in schools just doesn’t hold up to facts. Boys are 4 times as likely to be diagnosed with ADHD as girls, with the primary symptom being an inattentiveness in school. Teachers are complaining about boys’ behavior far earlier than he supposes in his argument. With the rampant indoctrination being seen in public schools, it’s not hard to see that the education system in this country is being geared toward female success at the expense of male success and for purely ideological reasons

[@seemlesslies]

The one that comes to mind is that female teachers have been proven to grade males lower on papers just by having a male name. They did a control and changed the name of papers to boy to girl names. The women always grades the male names lower than female names on the same papers. The males on the other hand were unbiased.

[@TheFirstTriplefife]

The symptoms of "inattentiveness" within ADHD has been shown to be nothing more than a coping mechanism. Yes, rowdy boys are going to get very bored when you sit them in a chair for hours on end and continually droll on without giving them somewhere to put all their energy. It really only sets these boys up for failure when instead of addressing the root of the problem you only try to mask the symptoms with drugs.

[@jamesbra4410]

Well yeah I mean the ADHD ones people see a mile away they just look at them and smell them they have been beaten down since birth of course they don’t want them to breed or get jobs.

[@johnd1047]

@@TheFirstTriplefife dopamine deficiency is not something you can talk your way out of.

[@TheFirstTriplefife]

@@johnd1047 its possible that dopamine deficiency could be the case for some, yet I assure you there is far more to it than that. When you sit one of these boys down in a class he enjoys or even heaven forbid feels like he is more than competent at you can watch them flourish. A lot of boys struggle with certain subjects. Maybe its because they don't find any pleasure in it, maybe they were sat in the back or maybe the kids next to them made that subject intolerable. Point being there are many environmental things that can crush the spirit to motivate young boys. I should know. I was one of them at one point. Biased teachers don't help either.

[@phalanxz11_]

I remember our teacher in 6th class giving out the daily participation grades. (Male teacher) „Fabienne was excellent today, she gets a star. Lisa was also very Good she gets a star too“. Little did he know that both girls had been sick that day and werent even in the classroom that day lol. This shit continued my whole school life. I always had the impression that girls were at a massive advantage with teachers especially if they were pretty.

[@catherineball7584]

Sounds like an advantage but a creepy one.

[@MatrixQ]

Funnily enough, that happened to me as well. Though not with girls. Another guy got a better mark than I did at the end of the semester, and he had changed schools at the beginning of the semester, so he wasn't even there. It's really something.

[@T-Laydie]

These examples sound like straight favouritism of certain students. This happens a lot in the workplace. 😕

[@M0viLover]

Ha, ha. Yeah.. I remember in Geometry how disgusted I was with the Teacher, because he would *openly* flirt with a cute bl0nde at the front-right corner of the class / desks.

[@katzensindweich3505]

The male teachers flirt with cute students and who gets blamed and hated?

[@slickrick8046]

Leveling the educational system and gearing it to favor females are two different things. Why not just acknowledge the possibility that girls and boys learn differently and may should be taught differently. Gender segregation in the school system is the best way to go but unfortunately school is more about socialization than education.

[@okaySam]

But, but... men and women are the same. Actually there is no such thing as a man or a woman..

[@AbuBased731]

@@okaySam Factually inaccurate

[@z0tw]

This is why unless it is an All Boys school, I am going to be home schooling my kid. The system is awful.

[@okaySam]

@@AbuBased731 That's the joke, mate

[@adriangodoy4610]

School is mainly by order of importance : 1st a prison, society doesn't want free teens roaming while their parents work, 2nd Indoctrination camps, you need to learn the Values. 3rd a place to learn data. 4th a place to get skills.

[@MatrixQ]

My own personal experience is: people simply don't care. I had all the signs of a genius IQ as a child, acing everything in primary school and more. Nobody really cared. That lead to me falling into a deep depression somewhere around highschool/college age. The signs of depression clearly visible. Nobody really cared. Now I'm 20 years out of school in my late 30s and starting to get a hold of things and crawl back out of the darkness. It sucks. And just thinking about the time I lost almost makes me despair. And I know there's going to be a lot of men and boys out there with a similar story.

[@markm0000]

I was incredibly good with computers at a very young age but something happened during middle school and I never quite learned my times table completely. I struggled through high school, failing Calculus, and going on to college eventually completing a low level IT degree but it was hopeless. I never got to where I should have been. If that 6th grade math teacher did her job right instead of just passing me I would have been in a completely different world right now. I quit my dream career from toxic workplaces overrun by women and automated HR systems that threw out my application and never called back. I’m now turning wrenches on diesel equipment and have to stay positive because nobody is around to help anymore. At least I have job security and someday will have enough to buy a house. It’s going to be a very long climb to the top. Oh, and I’m still a virgin in my late 20’s because of pr0n, so that’s nice.

[@r1234233]

can i ask what happened between high school and now, why did you leave education if you were a genius? sounds like such a waste

[@HudsonHandel]

I’m in the name boat. I’ll meet you for shuffleboard.

[@Aikuchi]

Sadly most of us have to resign to the fact that its the lot in life that was handed to us. In my 40s now, but I found out late into adulthood an old IQ test I did as a kid to try out for MENSA. Turns out i scored around 168 (which i recall because it matched the address of the childhood apartment i grew up in) but it never went anywhere - maybe the IQ test didn't mean anything but it stings to think back what could have been. Fast-forward 30 years later, and almost a dozen schools and a handful of jobs - I'm cleaning up after customers at the local laundromat. Fun.

[@DamonLenahan]

People are working on changing this!!!

[@tab8803]

When this guy says "We just know women score higher on reading and writing" I busted out laughing because female teachers have been exposed. ""BOYS are one-third MORE LIKELY to be GRADED HIGHER on a reading test WHEN the teacher DOES NOT KNOW the person who took the test WAS a BOY""

[@craughan]

Most teachers are women Most women favour girls Girls are favoured in teaching

[@johncrow5552]

A recent study in Australia found that girls did better in school exams (where the predominantly female teachers know whose test they are marking) but boys did just as well as girls in the final year blind test. (Where no names are on the exams, just a number and the exams are marked by unknown peeps) In Australia, these 2 test scores are combined to give a total score so clearly, girls have an advantage. Also some Universities are discriminating against boys by allowing girls to get into STEM fields with lower scores.

[@wildseedtheron]

Why is the current education system underperforming? I think this is a better question.

[@yoloswaggins2161]

There's only so many decades of stacking the system against young men that can be dealt with.

[@Wong-Jack-Man]

I think it’s also critical to measure out come of results. If women are outpacing graduating with degrees can we measure how this translates into a economic viability meaning how many men and women are joining the workforce, which industry etc. coming out with degrees with 120k student loan and not translating into a job doesn’t translate to value.

[@tanyamilewski5700]

Female participation is the workplace has also surpassed male participation. So it does translate to jobs. The problem tho is still sexism or getting paid less than mem for the the same job/skills/productivity

[@thisguy7976]

@@tanyamilewski5700 Can you explain the last sentence.

[@tanyamilewski5700]

@@thisguy7976 typos.

[@limoncr5205]

@@thisguy7976 that sentence is not even true...

[@iceni5646]

If you take female dominated professions of Nursing, Social Work and Teaching which didn't use to be degree based then you find boys out number girls., Just how is a college degree more qualified than a trade . For more than 90% of all academia there is no application in society and it is very obvious that neither the state or individual can finance it . Higher education is a cost not a benefit to our society just creating barriers to entry not better productivity Nursing illustrates that!

[@ooloncolluphid5299]

I am a male maths and physics teacher from the U.K. The profession is looked down upon due to the long holidays and the perception that the job is easy. During my teacher training after I completed my degree, 60% of the trainees dropped out as it was too hard; bad behaviour/disrespect from kids and workload were the two main reasons people left. Plenty of British kids are kind, hardworking, polite, and happy-go-lucky; however there are also a lot of teenagers who are pretty mean, rude, lazy, and phenomenally entitled. Despite scoring a top grade for behaviour management in my teacher training, I have been physically assaulted by a student, threatened multiple times, and I have had to comfort a female teacher who just broke down crying in class in front of the kids. Although the student who assaulted me whilst screaming like a banshee was a teenage girl, I would say the kids with bad attitude problems are disproportionately boys. I have now moved abroad and I teach in East Asia. Bad behaviour and disrespect is not really even an issue here. If anything, the boys here tend to do a bit better in maths and physics as they see it is as masculine to be good at those subjects; overall, the gender gap is much less of an issue here. Almost every kid in my school, male and female, is so respectful and hardworking that it allows for a completely different style of teaching. The attitude towards learning is so positive that I can do so much more with the kids; good attitude in class means you can talk and explain more, challenge the kids more and push really far and deep in the subject. I feel good about my job here and I am so motivated to help the kids do well, so the quality of my lessons has improved. The Asian kids I teach now are so far ahead in maths compared to their British counterparts that it is freaking ridiculous; we are years ahead in maths in the East Asian school and it is actually pretty embarrassing. Everything has to be so spoonfed back in the U.K., whereas here you can do so much more here because the students come in with the right attitude. I will never teach in the West again. It's all just down to parenting and culture.

[@M0viLover]

I just saw an article the other day. I think it was in Arizona? One school was within *two* staff positions of having to shut down. The Superintended basically "raided" a bunch of high performing teachers from East Asia (Indonesia?), and offered them jobs / imported them, to overcome (some of) the teacher shortage. The article also had a paragraph about how the students *completely* disrespected one of the teachers when she started. The descriptions of the students' behavior in the article made my jaw drop..

[@fabmanly1070]

And where does this all come from (attitude) parents of course.

[@yeelanma9165]

@@fabmanly1070 nah from liberal government whivh tells you can do whatever you want and cannot be judged

[@johnsmith2221]

Anybody who says teaching is easy I will not even listen to them unless they’ve done it for at least a week.

[@ilysaportax33]

The men who are crying about western education system just don’t want to admit that most people fail their boys. They don’t hold them accountable, or discipline them well. More than that, the culture absolutely does not present academic performance as a masculine trait so young boys rarely have incentives to care about school. My home county, a third world nation in Africa, isn’t like this - academic performance is so ingrained in the masculine ethic. The culture almost worships education. All the older men drill the importance of education into the head of young boys. The highly educated older men use themselves as an example, and even the poor uneducated older men are known to tell a young boy “face your books if you don’t want to end up like me”. You said it perfectly, it’s parenting and culture.

[@kierangallagher5687]

The school system is a matriarchy in which female psychology, learning habits, and disposition are imposed on boys. My daughters crush school, but my son is struggling with simple concepts.

[@OkTxSheepLady]

Teach your boy at home. Schools for young children are a modern experiment which is failing the men of the future.

[@johncrow5552]

I remember an English literature question being...how did this make Anna feel? How the f&ck can a young boy answer that?

[@ilysaportax33]

@@johncrow5552 ok so your parenting is the issue. If it was a reading prompt then the answer to how Anna feels is in the reading. You Neanderthals raise your boys to believe they can’t or shouldn’t care about “feelings” and then say it’s the school system ducking them up. Try evolving. My immigrants parents raised five high performing kids including two boys. Because in our culture men don’t talk about education like it’s feminine and useless. Just a thought.

[@sitdownstandup91]

have you entertained the idea that maybe he is just stupid? lol

[@jodawson5268]

Hi Chris, this has always been known. I went to school in the 50s and left in the late 60s. It was always felt that it was more Important for more boys to go through to higher education than girls, so the examinations, (11 plus and so on) girls had to attain a much higher pass mark to go through. We didn't know that of course. Girls were always better at English and literacy than boys and boys were then better at maths. It's a hard one to put right without it disadvantaging one side or the other. I will say this, that forcing kids to college when more vocational education would be better, not all kids can be academic.

[@Fitopoli]

During my degree we we had lectures around the domestic landscape and how it was developed and designed. The lecturer was a specialist in "Working class". She told me that the working classes had a non-verbal way of communicating. So working class understood working class. The problem was education is middle class, so the non-verbal language was entirely different. I am working class. My parents were as were my grandparents. When I went to school I really struggled to understand the teachers. It took till I was 8 or 9 before I even really got off the start line. Fast forward to my mid 20s and I have a couple of degrees and perfectly understand this nonverbal academic communication. Could this be one of the reasons? At my son's primary school the headmistress banned football and boys running around. She wanted them sitting like the girls and reading books or poetry at recess. Boys are a bit like dogs, you need to bleed off that energy. You don't walk your dog, it starts bouncing off the walls and going a little crazy. My son was like that. Give him lots of physical 'stuff' to do, then get him to study and it's a lot easier.

[@vonBottorff]

A typical modern school is a _Lord of the Flies_ horizontal socialization environment, i.e., lots of same-age kids are concentrated in prison-like mini-worlds. Which means certain people will succeed while others flounder. This is the wild card nobody is considering.

[@aks1993kumar]

The most non point I have read in this thread

[@markm0000]

Holy sht if women are getting paid less why are men still employed? Wouldn’t every corporation want cheaper labor?

[@rmlambert95]

They never explain this one lol

[@Vincent-gl7bs]

@@rmlambert95 Their go-to response is that corporations actually don’t want cheaper labor, because they are run by men who get some sort of joy out of arbitrarily oppressing women lol

[@ilysaportax33]

No. If the reason women are being paid less is because they are assumed to be less competent than men, then no a corporation wouldn’t just higher more women. Also, and this is major, oppressive forces don’t operate on logical axis. The KKK didn’t exist because it just made mathematical sense to lynch black people, dude. You can’t perform the calculus on why one group hates/oppresses another. It’s always illogical in nature

[@cmmndrblu]

Because our education system is overly risk averse. Boys are on average more likely to gamble with risks (which is why they are "silly" it's just constant feeling out of limits). There's little understanding and little outlet comparatively. Even I got stereotyped as a naughty boy to the total bewilderment and delighted amusement of my school-friends, given that I was a massive overachieving nerd. My teacher suggested I lower my sights and be more realistic, so I ignored her completely and got into one of the best universities in my country. Thank god for my parents.

[@randr302]

Something else to consider, my son made touch downs,pitched perfect games&made home runs and THAT was celebrated while his academic inadequacy was overlooked.

[@randr302]

@Johan you couldn't be more wrong.but your need to try and offend or hurt a stranger says a whole LOT about you.

[@z0tw]

@R AND R it more or less might just go to show that athletic and physical achievements are more impactful. I personally do not see anything wrong with this. If he also was a very strong academic, then kudos to you and your husband as parents in making him a top percent kid. Nothing wrong with him receiving more praise from winning sports than getting an A in the classroom. Unless the lessons he learned imfrom those A's are a piedmont to something, they are just letters at the end of the day. This is why winning in sports is more apparent. Skill and effort translated to a win. And winning is everything.

[@z0tw]

Unless those A's translate to something **** autocorrect kills me everytime

[@randr302]

@@z0tw that is a really good point that I had not considered 🤔thanks! He got a scholarship to college with those touchdowns&homeruns.peace to you&yours.

[@jasonward8664]

@Johan Ejiasi its funny because even as his mother she wont accept the fact that she was the primary one doing the overlooking lol

[@LlibertarianGalt]

Education is designed to benefit young women. Young men are berated for acting like young men and bullied by the system for compliance.

[@squidandchips]

I was a primary school teacher for 2 years. The money isn't that great, even if you wait to move up the pay scale or take on management responsibilities. Once you factor in the hours of work put in outside of teaching time, the pay rate is pretty bad. I left to earn £10k a year more in an assembly job. No stress and no work to take home either. Add in the fact that there are plenty of people who look at male primary school teachers as potential child abusers, and it's no wonder that there aren't many males in the profession. Some people have said that it's a court case waiting to happen.

[@GetCaught]

Absolutely not the case. Men do everything for mate selection, the mate men seek bounce on Tinder passport while men have to work in a city, town or village and “the muse” is on the global carrousel hence men give up on education, work and retreat into basements, porn, video games, drugs and drink. Every action has a reaction, also men (boys) have to play with women (girls) and men (boys) only want to play (compete) with other men (boys) because what is competition for men with women is considered bullying and men check out of “the game” as they always did. Remember, men haven’t changed, women did, men are adapting temporarily to the artificial and temporary changes in culture and women, reality can be bent but will inevitably snap back.

[@toserveman9317]

Your take was GOOD until... "men haven’t changed, women did." Tech kept alive too many males and these spiteful mutants pulled "maleness" down one coup after another. THAT changed the "environment." Females are doing what they always did: man.ipulating with as.s, now in a new environment. BUT the first stuff you said (basically "[incentive, from evo backstory]") was true in a deep-dive big picture way this society will ignore.

[@ilysaportax33]

The changes aren’t artificial or temporary. It’s called evolving and it’s here to stay. The world, economy, workforce and women have evolved, you lot aren’t doing boys any favors by telling them they should stay the exact same.

[@GetCaught]

@@ilysaportax33 evolutionary biology and evolutionary psychology doesn’t NOT advance in a decade (the smallest unit of measurement historically speaking) not even in centuries BUT thousands or better yet hundred of thousand of years if not millions. To put in perspective, 10.000 since the advent of agriculture at scale humans haven’t evolved to metabolise sugar and caffeine (considering the stats on obesity, diabetes and gout) so reconsider using the word “evolution” so loosely. Not to be a contrarian here I would quote Robert Sapolsky’s work on baboons and yes, indeed there could be cultural changes where behaviour is altered based on the majority of member acting in a different way than the minority, so if a minority associates with a majority the majority’s behaviour is dominant. But in our culture Men are resistant to this change and associate themselves with likeminded individuals who have similar principles, values and beliefs, therefore one could conclude that this is a temporary shift in culture and it will fade away at the first wind of adversity as humans have the best chance of survival when both genders default to natural gender roles.

[@johncrow5552]

A recent study in Australia found that girls did better in school exams (where the predominantly female teachers know whose test they are marking) but boys did just as well as girls in the final year blind test. (Where no names are on the exams, just a number and the exams are marked by unknown peeps) In Australia, these 2 test scores are combined to give a total score so clearly, girls have an advantage. Also some Universities are discriminating against boys by allowing girls to get into STEM fields with lower scores.

[@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115]

a) education has been taken over by fee-mails. b) education is thus based on fee-mails' learning paths. c) fee-mail teachers and other education workers have a big bias against boys, specially against White Young Men. d) estrogen-only scholarships (aside of non-whites only scholarships.) e) college is mostly an estrogen polluted environment for getting useless degrees and Men prefer trades.

[@jiggletown181]

(e) is the most relevant for most males. Also, men still outperform in the real world when left alone were meritocracy rules. Most women that are "successful" today are either selling makeup, leveraging their bodies on social media for sponsorship or some other meaningless thing we can all do without. I'd like to see an entire skyscraper or bridge built by only women. Even on instagram we dominate, the #1 account is Cristiano Ronaldo with over 485 million followers. When females enter any field men leave, thats just a fact.

[@TheStrengthPot]

Stem degree as a male or college is pointless from a making money stand point, if you wanna party that’s another story

[@chrisa5631]

females........

[@AbuBased731]

Fem-oid

[@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115]

@MSN Just like vvahman, not giving power to womb-men by using their usual name, akin to garden tools and 304s.

[@cschmidtwetekam]

Coincidentally, highly-educated women have fewer children.

[@TheFirstTriplefife]

No coincidence about it. The more educated you are as a woman the smaller your dating pool. Since its well known now that women prefer men who are at or above them in not only education, but also income.

[@catherineball7584]

However, children of more educated women have much better chances of survival. This is particularly pertinent in developing countries.

[@TheFirstTriplefife]

@@catherineball7584 this may help their children, but it doesn't help them. Developing countries are a different story all together. Western countries on the other hand aren't having enough children and those that are having children aren't the highly educated, therefore giving your kids better odds doesn't help if you don't have kids.

[@catherineball7584]

@@TheFirstTriplefife do you think highly intelligent women want to do bonehead tasks at home all day without another adult intellect to interact with. What we need are financial incentives for married couples to have at least two children and offer more flexible career options, such as offer paternity leave on a par with maternity leave so both mum and dad can take a year off consecutively. This would bring the child to two years and then they can be eligible for free care. As a high IQ woman (not a great job though) I would be happy to take a five to seven year career break to have a couple of children and get them to school age and then work part-time. The thing is, the conservatives bang on about women being at home all the time. No working class woman at any time in history has had that luxury; we've always made "pin" money through paid work outside the home. The woman at home is a middle / upper class fantasy life.

[@TheFirstTriplefife]

@@catherineball7584 yeah, I didn't mention anything like that. This sounds like its a personal gripe you are injecting into the conversation. As a high IQ man I can tell ;D "bonehead tasks at home all day without another adult intellect to interact with" That is such a shame that you think of maintaining and caring for your home and family life in that manner. Menial tasks may be boring, but they need to get done so a house doesn't fall into disarray. Maybe your not the cleanest lady out there, I've known more than my fair share that like to live in a sty. I guess its a good thing men invented all those machines to do the heavy lifting for us and make our lives easier. As far as adult interaction you would really need to look no further than your family or his. Its how it was done in the olden days. It worked then pretty well and helped keep families together rather than parents waiting to be to old and their reluctant kids shipping their old miserable asses off to a home to die in. All the solutions you have suggested have been tried, but have been found lacking. Each one has shown it doesn't help in the slightest with the actual problem of population decline. Really, the incentives have only shown to have couples have kids earlier, but not more kids than what they had planned to have. Sounds like you have some issue with conservatives. I'm neither a conservative or liberal. I'm probably closer to a anarchist honestly as I see governments as a plight against its own people. I do think there should be a very minimal amount of government, but literally the bare minim in order for other countries to not invade. From what I have seen of conservatives they aren't really caring all that much about women staying home. That is a outdated stereo type. As far as women working in the home, its silly to say "no working class woman at any time in history has had that luxury" because that was how it was before the modern industrial age. Yes, they could also work outside the home, but their main focus was usually on the home and family. It didn't matter if her husband was a merchant, a solider or a field hand women helped and were helpful. Well, as one high IQ individual to another, don't think to hard. You might get a headache. :D

[@Bhisma_official369]

Education is not memorizing random facts from text book mindlessly. Its the training of the mind to think and recapture this world with a different lens from which it is only percieved through the gain of knowledge and wisdom.

[@SurfyStories]

Isn't recapturing this world same as training your brain with random knowledge ?

[@Bhisma_official369]

@@SurfyStories No

[@TheFirstTriplefife]

curious_learner your so right. Yet, this isn't how education teaches people in general. That includes the young. Its just constant memorization. Which is something girls excel in, but it doesn't teach actual learning. Its why we have so many academics that can repeat word for word something, but can't advance the concepts. In general they can memorize, not innovate. Innovation is the cornerstone of advancement in society and if we don't have it stagnation happens. What is the point of memorizing facts if you don't know how to use that knowledge? We also need to work on teaching practical wisdom to people. So many useful things being sidelined for studying, homework and memorization. They want robots not people.

[@TheVoltaire1]

Because sitting on a chair staring at a board is incredibly boring for a young male. I was smart af as a kid but I could barely focus. I wanted to run around, play sports, go do adventurous shit. In reality, all that sitting around just hampered my learning. I would have done way better in school if they had more playtime and physical learning instead of just sitting around and staring at a teacher who hates their life.

[@WBrizzle81]

Almost forgot this point - and I'll bet Chris Interjected this into the conversation: there are in fact boys (a not insignificant percentage) who embody those characteristics which propel young women to academic and ultimately professional success. They have that focus and future orientation and neurological ability, but young women aren't attracted to them...or they get sidetracked in pursuit of female attention and validation. China, Japan, and South Korea are full of such males with such issues.

[@Boywonder543]

Bro can you explain more ?

[@David-ru4si]

Please elaborate more man , your point makes a whole lot of sense.

[@WBrizzle81]

@@David-ru4si We can search youtube to find video of Asian young women speaking ill of Asian men and how they don't find them particularly attractive. The men they're speaking of are UC STEM major types. We already know of the nerdy incel archetype and the educated lame in the BC.

[@WBrizzle81]

@@David-ru4si Many of the young men who do in fact exhibit the traits that perform well in academia and subsequently professional settings aren't seen as attractive by young women.

[@ilysaportax33]

@@WBrizzle81 your first point is right on but this is bullshit. It’s about culture and parenting. Americans don’t raise to her boys well, and want to blame the school system. In reality the culture just doesn’t incentivize boys to care about school. In the counties you listed, high academic achievers are absolutely respected and attractive. Africans are the same way - boys are encouraged to perform academically and they gain social capital from it. No one in those cultures wants to date the loser who always fails his exams. In America, a boy who barely reads at his grade level won’t lose a drop of social capital for that. In fact, in a lot of Americans schools there’s an inverse relationship between academic performance and popularity but only for boys.

[@michaelschmidt1101]

There has been a massive "feminization" of education. This is not only the replacement of most male teachers with female teachers but also the classrooms themselves are feminized e.g., colors and design, but also content has been feminized e.g., the 'character' of the material, and the manner in which children are taught has been feminized e.g., more discussion and "cooperative" modes of learning, less "competitive". Layering on top of this is the drive that 'girls can do anything'... and that 'active boys need to be "controlled"... and of course, "masculine toxicity" needs to be penalized. The sad thing is that we know this but it is being ignored bc education authorities are not really interested in "equality" or even "equity".

[@MikoDnst]

@@kmc1872 I suppose that's because nuns were traditional women (in contrast with modern feminist teachers), so boys weren't incentivized to adopt female thinking and acting paradigms as much as they do now

[@achimaufachse5925]

We have like 5 percent male Kindergarten teachers in germany, I am one of them and I promote the job to many young men because it is so important to have male insides in early education. The Kids love my work and their parents appreciate my work so much. I love my job besides all the structurell difficulties and the low income.

[@achimaufachse5925]

@@thinking-ape6483 wie du meinst.

[@hijodelaisla275]

From what I know about the educational system in the U.S. and the opinions of society, a male aspiring to be a kindergarten teacher would be looked on with suspicion.

[@katzensindweich3505]

Boys are hard working. Girls are hard working. BUT boys work hard on gaming. They hate school and almost exclusively spend time on gaming. Boys are soooo smart but they hate school so much. They rebel against it. We need schools with more physical elements. More adventure. More coolness. Content of classes is just so groomed towards the goodies, the nerds, the girls. It is painful to watch the suffering of the boys. They also become fat and unhealthy from this system where they do not fit in.

[@An_Drea_Calling]

from my experience, co-education and fatherless homes also play a big role.

[@ryan_fsk]

True, those complex math problems i couldnt figure out , i had problems with chemistry and math, and reading , when reading i have to read a chapter over again to remember what happend in the story

[@WBrizzle81]

My oversimplified take: modern classrooms and increasingly professional workplaces favor "sitting still." Women and girls are built for that.

[@okaySam]

Yup. And more and more boys are getting medicated to sit still.

[@veerswami7175]

Someone speak truth

[@catherineball7584]

Women and girls suffer anatomically as much as males do when they sit around. For this to be the case, women for most of our evolution would have to be sitting still. They absolutely weren't. If you check out hunter gatherers in the modern age women do as much, sometimes more, physical labour than men to provision the tribe. In medieval Britain, able bodied women (ie women of child bearing age) worked the fields alongside men then when they went home men would sit while women did household labour. In the early part of the industrial revolution women and children worked down mines alongside men. It was only in the early 19th century (about 1835, I think) when women and boys under 12 were banned from working down mines. Do you suppose women ran households sitting down? It is only in the modern age that we are sitting still more than men at desk jobs and sitting down too much is very bad for you.

[@WBrizzle81]

If you walk into a modern classroom the kids making the best grades and getting in the least amount of trouble are girls and effeminate boys. They're the ones able to sit still, take instruction, and quietly perform whatever task they're given. It's conventional cis-gendered boys who disrupt or fidget or engage in ADHD type behaviors. It starts a low performance waterfall that follows them throughout life. We can get intl this deep conversation bringing up neuro-sci, and evo-psych and talk about the pre-frontal cortex, etc, but we can also perform an eyeball test and see a pretty simple pattern.

[@audrtuviashartel8291]

Interestingly I would say I noticed very early on with my son that when it came to his being more receptive to learning & actually being even engaged in lessons no matter what the material is he excelled much more & got more out of what was being taught or shared when it was a male teacher or child care provider regardless of their style or approach even. He just connects on this level that I can observe & notice clearly, but can’t myself really define or truly fulfill myself for him as a woman & he will even flock towards any male teacher presence no matter how good or bad in comparison to other female teachers that might be noticeably better teachers & surpass the male teacher. But my son does have his favorite female teachers & does prefer certain material that he is more vulnerable & insecure about to be taught by a female. & this is just an observation that my son isn’t even consciously aware of his actually doing & I don’t point it out to him b/c I think it’s natural course of things & not harmful necessarily & in part receiving teaching does require engagement & interest & actively motivated to receive it otherwise they’re just only learning to go thru the motions to appear like & only do maybe the bare minimum to stay out of drawing too much attention to their lack of interest in a subject.

[@dovescry123]

Congrats, you raised a misogynist

[@z0tw]

@Cat lmao in what way

[@sherilcarey7100]

"No one could've predicted..." this is one of the frustrating, in fact infuriating, things always said by those who refused to listen. They were determined to want what they wanted and believe what they believed. They out and out dismissed the possibility that it could go wrong so completely that they viewed those who warned as heinous or insane and later when those people proved to be correct pretend those people never even existed. Well no one they were willing to give a basic level of respect or even tolerance to could have predicted it. Quite the flaw in their thinking, and even in their base assumptions, their paradigm, revealed. But there were ALWAYS people who knew how awesome and intelligent women always were. There were ALWAYS people who knew that a whole radical revolution among the elites and the Academy of viewing women's lives as in need of changing to mirror men's lives was a terrible idea, and would prove to be a mistake and harmful in many ways. But to this day the people who aren't joining their crusades are demonized, dismissed, and bullied by the academy. They have serious problems with their reasoning and logic, as well as with their ethics.the academy needs less power and more diversity of thought. I've never been clear why there are such huge numbers who want men and women to be interchangeable and are utterly convinced of their fallacy that if we aren't interchangeable then something is badly wrong and very unfair. But they are wrong at the very core of their beings. And everyday we are living with the fruits of their skewed view and how it has screwed over everyone. It has behaved as a force of hatred against both masculinity and femininity. No one should trust the unchecked and undebated Academy, not ever.

[@TheFirstTriplefife]

I blame feminism and the rise of corporatism. The corpos wanted more cheap labor and the feminists were convinced that they could do everything a man could do and not lose anything in the process. That lie was spread by corporations to fuel their need for workers. Now they got what they wanted, but only as a short gain. It has had detrimental consequences that no one in the MSM is willing to about. Its all because of that demonization you talk about. Worse still, anyone who does talk about it will be unpersoned. Its a rock and a hard place scenario. The only way out is with pain to the system and those who are in it. There will be birth pains towards a better world whether we like it or not, its coming.

[@_Pyroon_]

The idea that girls were always at an advantage describes some of the difference, but the decrease in boys performance wasn't discussed beyond stating it and it implies that something beyond biological factors is affecting boys' ability.

[@alexandresilva3427]

Exactly but he skirted around that.

[@jiara5219]

yes, if you look at PISA scores, there's been this trend in many countries. girls improved but boys performance declined for reasons that are yet to discover why.

[@3hristopher]

Personally I dropped out of college cause I felt there was nothing for me there I needed to get money I was young and broke and going to school was the last thing on my mind tf is chemistry gonna do if I’m hungry these people should have taught me how to do taxes I recently paid $200 for it to be done and it was wrong and I had to pay the government $500

[@markm0000]

Preach it brother

[@WhoBlah21]

Why do anti-school people keep talking about "why don't they teach people how to do taxes lol?" as if teaching people the bare minimum of filing taxes would improve their lives significantly? Literally almost everyone hires a professional or firm to do their taxes including the wealthy, hell some countries outside of America does taxes for their own citizens.

[@ilysaportax33]

Your mentally is what is hurting boys. In contrast - I went to a no name poorly ranked school and got ok grades and have worked my self up to a 6 figure salary with only $20k in student debt. Maybe if y’all grown men stopped telling boys education was useless…they’d stop acting like it was useless?

[@jonahtwhale1779]

There is no discrimination against boys. However we have changed the style of teaching to favour girls and disadvantage boys. Anyone see a discrepancy here?

[@jonahtwhale1779]

Physical education has been reduced from around 5 hours a week to less than one hour per week. Girls do not benefit from it as much as boys do. I wonder why more boys have excess physical energy?

[@aks1993kumar]

You first line directly goes against the second. What are you even saying?

[@jonahtwhale1779]

Both are statements the 'expert' made during the interview. He contradicted himself. The female educators changed teaching methods and cirriculum to advantage girls and disadvantage boys. The UK education department was asked what it was gping to do to address boys underperformance. Their answer said nothing - because of the wage gap! Science lessons are increasingly about social impacts of science not science itself. Girls prefer social aspects over numerical work.

[@thatwasprettyneat]

I agree that men aren't actually being actively discriminated against, but there's a negligence there. If women are constantly being propped up and people are constantly trying to score social credit points by doing this, then men are going to feel left out, and this is the result. But no, it's not intentional, per se, but what else would you expect?

[@aks1993kumar]

It’s very much intentional. If you can’t see it then you see a fool.

[@thelibyanplzcomeback]

It's teacher bias; not our damn personalities.

[@gregorypierquet6321]

He’s right that girls have always been better at formal schooling. This isn’t something we can drop at the feet of discrimination. It’s just school as we do it is a more natural fit for girls.

[@gregorypierquet6321]

I will add that school as we now do it is more attractive to female teachers, as well. That’s a major factor.

[@OkTxSheepLady]

So stop subjecting young boys to the torture. Keep them home until late teens and give them active educations. Build a “fort” in the back yard. Draw the plans, figure the materials needed, cost from three suppliers, how to make it square, strong, etc.

[@iceni5646]

Its not education its compliance and girls are more compliant than boys.

[@_Pyroon_]

I agree, but that's only the start: - boys failing is not simply biological: The idea that girls were always at an advantage describes some of the difference, but the decrease in boys performance wasn't discussed beyond stating it and it implies that something beyond biological factors is affecting boys' ability. - male discrimination: There is data that demonstrates boys are discriminated; contrary to the claim. First, boys get far worse punishment for the same poor behavior. More over, women teachers literally grade boys worse than girls which was tested by simply gender swapping names in which they graded higher if it was a female name and lower if male (this was not seen in male teachers). - wage gap: Beyond it being disproven, the data shows woman for the young generations out earn men, suggesting that any wage gap is literally the opposite for the youth

[@a5240]

@@kmc1872 Honestly new generation parents not good I guess. But this applies to girls too. I wish people would stop having kids. I wish the world will end. If girls are doing better then us I think its good for them. I wish people would stop acting like its a problem just because we are not at the top of something. You make no sense. Your probably the type that would let girls enjoy life and push boys to be tough all the time...

[@nehemmanokaran9974]

When men are dominant in one field they help women to come up and be dominant in that field , but vice versa is not happening ( not all time but some how ), most of the soft jobs men are not considered also men must know to showcas etheir nourishing warmer side , we have to develop the warmer side of since teenage . kindness , charisma , self ctrl .. etc

[@siheath3648]

Having more male teachers is infinitely more important than having more female pilots...

[@daneracamosa]

Pretty shallow commentary... But I'm sure it serves him well and he's a hit at all the faculty parties

[@dwbrannon]

One issue no one discusses may be the most important of all, how many of these young men grew up without a father at home? I suspect that this might be one of the most important factors in the future success of boys. I'm less interested in how many men teach kindergarten than how many men are fathers.

[@toserveman9317]

Very distally: Sperm, and thus males, are more variable across a wider spectrum. Keeping more of them alive pulled the male mode avg down, thus causing "future-orientation high males" to be statistically irrelevant. .... Society Ignores: Affirmative Action; Title IX; "guidance councilors' who are part of the anti male /biased 'culture' at large; male dysgenics (Protestantism, capitalism); media culture leading to chaotic /dangerous puberty social dynamic; mixed gender education; single fem parent situation. And somewhat distally: the collapse of _grown-male to puberty-male_ tutelage, all generally under the category of the collapse of the EXTENDED family. ... Tokening fems ahead to the point the males' nuptial gifts became valueless (including no fault divorce and "equitable distribution"), caused next gen males to give up and RETREAT into basements (porn, video games, inebriation). Then society asserts this retreat of males is because males are bad or selfish etc. .... Dimorphic society, pre "post scarcity," will never be "egalitarian." ...Useful Fiction, religious psalm tone. And morals change every 30 or so years. BUT the instinct to rally around those is so instinctively deep that we pretend (thru mental gym) otherwise.

[@dipro001]

This speaker is waay too politically correct to say that. Look at other channels on youtube that directly talks about this. Fresh and fit is one.

[@OkTxSheepLady]

Frankly I’m suspicious of a man who wants to care for a class of 5 year olds. Men are generally too focused for the multitasking necessary to keep track much less direct 15-20 small children. The root of the problem is the children not being at their own homes with their own mothers rather than in large age segregated groups.

[@WhoBlah21]

What do you mean? People in these spaces preaches about having fathers at home constantly, as if their presence alone magically boosts a boy's future prospects. I grew up with two loving parents who are still married to this day, they have done so much for their family that a lot of my peers never had the chance to experience. However, my father being home isn't the sole reason that I'm a well-adjusted adult. The reason I'm well-adjusted adult is because I had two parents at home who were reasonably decent people, who taught me basic morals, values, and principles through conventional wisdom. In the past, father's weren't like Kevin Samuels, Jordan Peterson, Hamza, or Fresh n Fit who spouts out corny speeches or meaningless platitudes about a "man's duty." Men in the past used to metaphorically throw their kids into the pool to see them float, and then they'll give them small instructions on how to swim as a why to teach independence.

[@TheFirstTriplefife]

@@WhoBlah21 Ha. My uncle did that exact same thing to me in the very real sense. Was at his pool party with my family. Got close to the edge of the pool checking out the water. Didn't know how to swim at the time. Not more than a couple minutes of looking in at the water and I hear "SINK OR SWIM." I get picked up and immediately thrown into the deep end. Couldn't swim so I started to sink. Someone (not sure who) had to save me from sinking to far down. Wasn't a big fan of the water for a while after that. Took me until I was 13 to actually learn to swim because of the fear I built up from being 7ish when I got thrown in. I'm good now though, just took some time to get the courage to learn to swim.

[@andreae464]

The big question. What is the ultimate goal of society? What are we all trying to accomplish through eduction?

[@-Gorbi-]

I was pushed out of a private school at 15 by a feminist teacher because I made a phallic joke. The pedagogy of schools tends to heavily favor behaved girls and despises rowdy boys.

[@z0tw]

I saw this throughout my public school career. Many boys would disrupt or avoid going to class and do other things. Even knew this boy in 7th grade who ended up skipping every other day to go outside with some of his friends out onto the school soccer field and practicing penalty kicks just because he thought history was boring.

[@JasonGulbin]

Well yeah, what did you expect?

[@sosleepy2]

You have to take responsibility of your actions and your success.

[@-Gorbi-]

@@JasonGulbin They told my parents to come in for a disciplinary meeting, but never even mentioned the phallic joke. It was a bait and switch, they spent the next hour of accusing me of smoking pot. I was straight edge and didn’t try pot until 4 years later. They refused to drug test me, because they were so confident. My parents saw it for what it was - they were pushing me out of the school on completely specious accusations. What did I expect? Idk a basic level of respect and decency and due process.

[@-Gorbi-]

@@sosleepy2 I spent years defending the teachers who teamed up on me. It was years later when I realized how unprofessional, under-handed, and incredibly unethical their behavior was as school administrators and faculty. I took responsibility, way too much responsibility. And they never faced any of their own.

[@nehemmanokaran9974]

men also must understand to be humble , but confident , competitive , but less aggressive kind calm with women then men can come up , men are waiting for recognition , women just do the work and go , it is men who are not concentrating

[@nikolairose2739]

I'll give my opinion(Sorry this became a journal entry). For me it's as simple as women are far more agreeable than boys while young. Me personally I was always the smartest in my classes because I was an introvert with a stutter which forced me to be quiet and learn. I feared being wrong when called on or having people think me a dullard because I couldn't speak, so being smart and turning in 100s was the only way for me to have any self-respect. I couldn't afford to draw attention to myself and be a clown until much later. So I was blissfully unaware that the other boys in my class were lagging far behind. The female teachers I had loved me simply because I was so much "smarter" in contrast mainly to the boys in my class. I had a stutter so I never dared to spark up conversation with a classmate. I was very much the mute, well-behaved, and attentive boy. Which was an oddity at my school. In 6th grade I finally started conquering my stutter and began speaking to other boys. I had a classmate called Joe. Joe was a chubby white kid who was always the class clown. Joe like any other boy had the ability to do math. But Joe didn't like the looks others gave him when he did try and do the work. All his life from childhood he'd been compared to the other children who were more quiet and attentive. Joe got bored rather quickly and liked to have fun rather than to sit still and learn a subject which teachers his entire life had told him he'd no talent in. He especially hated the looks his classmates would give him when they would see him staring blankly at a paper with problems he had no idea how to attack. So he would instead deflect to the other students and poke fun at them for "actually doing this dumb work". He wold proceed to annoy others or even make fun of his own slowness to get a laugh out of the class. That was his way of keeping his self-respect. "I may not get the questions right but at least my classmates like me". I remember my teacher Mr. Milano trying to teach Joe how to do a problem only to get upset and give up on him and tell him to his face that he would come back to check up on him when Joe finally felt like trying. But what Joe had was a deep rooted insecurity within himself. What do kids do when we easily understand a problem and another child is slow or lagging behind? We make fun of him. So people made fun of Joe. Eventually Joe began to define himself as the dumb one. And would refuse to play into the system which shunned him. He calls the quiet nerdy kids "nerds" or "geeks". A defense mechanism to protect his ego. They are anomalies. They aren't like the rest of us boys who always do worse than the girls. Joe also hates his teachers because they represent what he fears most. They are an embodiment of his inability to keep up. Whether it's them rebuking him for never doing homework. Or their faces of disappointment whenever they look over the work he actually did do. Now I introduce Isabella. Isabella is a studious girl. She talks a lot with teachers and is the class pet. Why? Because she is "smart" and really wants the teachers approval. She likes doing what others tell her to do. It gives her satisfaction. After all she has the attribute advantage of being a female. So she will always turn in her homework to receive the validation from her favorite teacher. Isabella likes to do well in school, she likes the validation she gets when others call her smart. In general. Most boys are much closer to Joe than we are to Isabella. I myself am "smart", but eventually my testosterone kicked in and I began to get real disagreeable. I refused to do homework. I never found it necessary. "Teach me in class you worthless fools", I thought to myself. I still aced my tests, but never would I turn in my homework or any take home work. From projects to homework to group work with others. It was a drag and I vehemently refused. This was when I discovered how my masculinity would infringe on my scholarly pursuits. My values had changed. I favored being a maverick over a studious kid marching along to the system's drum. All this to say. School as it is today makes boys/men feel like they don't belong. I remember in 9th grade for the first time I had a girl tell me "Hey you're pretty smart for a boy". I had another girl tell me when I wrote a paragraph on my favorite book "No way you wrote that, where'd you copy and paste that from". Of course the second girl was simply not a good person. But she had those thoughts because by then I was more of "jock" and it subverted her expectations of the dumb jock so much so that she felt the need to walk over to me in class and attempt to verbally humiliate me. In most girls' minds. Most girls are smarter than most boys. Boys have outliers. But in general take any girl and any guy and the girl typically has better grades. Thus boys realized early on they weren't the top dogs in this arena. So what do boys do? We go where we stand a chance in competition and people inspire confidence in us. This is usually sports or video games, or some extracurricular hobby. But most of the time it's not school.

[@lookaroundyou8108]

Well the lives of young boys are different than what it were in the past... videogames alone can distract and interfere with their studies.. I watched my mom begging my brother to concentrate for 5 mins and all he had in mind was to wanting to play videogames. Girls on the other hand even the ones play some games.. They don't really obsess over it.. They know their responsibilities and priorities and usually wants to make their parents proud. They look at the future and what having good grades can do for them. While boys always believe it's still too early to worry about things now..

[@endofinnocence5992]

It's impossible that it's by design. Yesiree. IM-POSSIBLE.

[@TheIdontknow5]

My parents started me about a year younger than the rest of my class and I always struggled in school and had female teachers who didn't really understand me and I got put on Adderall in 3rd grade. I did well from time to time but what grade school really taught me is that when I relax and stop worrying and I think I am on top of things I am often totally mistaken and have just missed something really important. Even in my adult life now I always have a bit of constant lingering paranoia and can be afraid to let go, relax, and live my life because in doing so I might forget to attend to something important, only now the stakes are much higher and it's my life and we'll being that could be compromised.

[@steveyd101]

Most pro athletes are born earlier in the school year growing up. Meaning that if they were just a few months older in development while playing their sport as a child, they would have a starting competitive advantage. This would lead to better opportunities for competition and training and so on. The same can apply with education. A little bit of an advantage at a young age can can have a snowball effect. Also, it is insane that we ask growing and hormone increased boys to wake up early and sit at a desk all day. No wonder most of them are "diagnosed" with ADHD.

[@TheFirstTriplefife]

From my studies on the topic of gender differences men have been shown to be better innovators. Women on the other hand are often better maintainers. There is a clear distinction between the way the genders brains work as well. Without innovation we stagnate, even if things are left in women's hands that maintenance over time won't be enough.

[@Incredible_Mister_J]

I think this is where men need other role models who are men to look up to. This reminds me to be a man other men would want to imitate.

[@bleachfanatic195]

Well i'd argue it is dicrimmination against young boys because rather than really discuss these issues and allow boys to learn the best way boys can the schools continue to maintain the status quo of the educational expectations being set by their female counterparts when as mentioned that is at best biologically more difficult or at worst impossible for young men and boys to keep up and as a result they are being punished for not being able to be as mature or as future orientated as their female counter parts.

[@Decocoa]

In the UK at least, the financial pay off at the end of academic excellence is not that significant

[@chrisbrown6920]

Even if you do hit the top you'll be working 80 hours a week. Not worth it

[@pagedarney2268]

Perhaps a move back to single sex education would be helpful.

[@toserveman9317]

Bingo! Not gonna happen while the flag flies tho.

[@catherineball7584]

Boys in single sex settings do less well than those in coed settings. Girls do better in single sex settings than in coed settings.

[@limoncr5205]

Obvious... we are biologically different and physical, mental growth have completely different pace for each gender.

[@marlonmoncrieffe0728]

I actually think high school education should be single sex. Hormononal teens are just too much of a distraction to each other. Primary and middle school education could or should remain dual sex though.

[@ilysaportax33]

Yes. For girls. The stats show girls flourish without boys. Unfortunately not so much for boys - their performance and behavior gets WORSE in single gender environments (the adult men admit to locker room tlak, don’t they?) People are doing a shit job raising boys. There’s no way around it.

[@jollypolly1686]

The true cause is rooted in evolutionary biology : one of the main components is that males have much less reproductive value than females and makes them much more disposable. The only acceptable way for females to risk their lives was to give birth, because there was never any other way around it for the species to survive. Men were used in all the other life risking situations. This paradigm shaped our species for countless eons. We are wired to prioritize female needs, even if it's at the expense of males. This is problematic in a time we are supposed to believe in equality : there is too much cognitive dissonance between the reality and that ideal. As long as we don't face this reality of our species as a society, things will only get more unstable and possibly violent. Unfortunately the feminist supremacist cult does not want people to have that conversation, as well as the higher status/ naturally genetically gifted men who aren't really affected by it, or to a lesser extent.

[@TheFirstTriplefife]

I think the practical wisdom of our past ancestors knew this. It wasn't so much as explained, but the wisdom was there. We just never gave it a real look as to why and then people called it sexist. Insults are were thoughts go to die.

[@jollypolly1686]

@@TheFirstTriplefife True. The irony is that this wisdom was destroyed in the name of "science" and bringing down old superstitions.

[@RUfrikkinkiddinME]

How could the inversion of everything possibly go wrong?

[@rw-xf4cb]

Also men/males in the past were all hyper focused on attaining status to win a mate and to provide for their families. This has been the reason why we got to space, solved infections with penicillin and developed convenience devices (iPhone, car, flight, washing machines/microwaves) but as time goes on males have realized that the need to find a wife and to work 80hrs a week is not required when they can sit at their parents basement and play computer games with effectively little of no cost to their requirements. Men don't need 50 pairs of shoes or wardrobes full of clothes or be adored by thousands on instagram. Problem is that males need to find purpose beyond getting a mate and a lot have this is why women are screaming on tiktok they cant find a good guy as more step out and those women who have progressed in status cannot find the same or better and only the ones with the looks/charisma are playing the field. And now we see 50% of women by 30 are childless or better and so many if they do decide to settle have to resort to IVF to have kids. I don't necessarily think its sexist as the guy says its just that women's prime reproduction period is 18-28 (if that) and then if you have kids its better they're educated and learn within the home with the mother. Alternatively lets just have artificial wombs, women are mandated to work from 18-65 and governments raise kids in camps until they're at the age ready for conscription and/or workforce.

[@eddie-ni5ox]

no point in working your a*** off for a family you will never have or worse a family you start invest your entire identity in and are then stolen from you relegated to 4 days a month. This is the #1 kxllxr of men, in our logic atleast the emotional pain ends when life ends, or it could be worse, poisoned by the mom, your children you love hate you, thats worse than hell. Women dont care about children, they can always have more, we cant (personally), they are priceless to us !

[@LegoSwordViedos]

They took boys and girls and anonomised all their school work, and showed after a year of doing this, teachers both male and female were harsher grading boys then girls. And they stopped the study after that. So I'm not sure it's all about some uncovered inherent ability, I think there is pressure. Anyone who's been to school knows there are teachers who are harser and ones that grade less harshly. And it can have a large impact.

[@belijeonodugo2222]

Link?

[@Falconlibrary]

With all due respect to the guest, I was a teacher for thirty years and if the difference in achievement is attributable to biology, wouldn't that always have been the case? Yet it's only been the case for about half of my thirty years in the classroom. What changed in that time? Did girls get a sudden evolutionary leap in the structure of their brains? Or did schools systematically eliminate male-oriented curricula such as "shop class" (industrial arts) and did our society emphasize "girls in STEM!" and "bring our daughters to work day!" and "toxic masculinity"? Even school disciplinary codes have a gender bias, harshly punishing what's really just typical male behavior while rewarding typical female behavior. As a male teacher, I had to intervene many times in my career when female teachers wanted to punish boys for being boys. Example: Two boys were pushing one another in the hallway. Horseplay. A female colleague observed this and wanted to write them both up. I said "Guys, knock it off and go to class." They went to class. I asked my colleague why she was going to write them up and she actually said "they're just acting out toxic masculinity." I am glad to be retired, by the way.

[@ilysaportax33]

The world won’t be a better place if boys are held less accountable for violent actions and hurtful speech like you guys want. Men already wreak violence and disruption around the world. Check your theory.

[@ilysaportax33]

@@naikjoy the humanity that men enact endless rape and violence against? 😂

[@garbonomics]

I highly disagree with this guest. I would have to assume that a substantial amount of people who have been doing research on this topic for some time are doing so in bad faith. Because a substantial amount of them have come to the conclusion that in fact boys ARE being discriminated against in the education system and that there have been major structural changes which inadvertently put boys at a disadvantage. I’d be nice if you had some of them on. Christina Hoff Sommers who wrote “the war against boys” would be a good one to have. Another thing to consider is that this guest seem to be amongst those who have clearly not done their homework. He literally mentioned the “gender pay gap” as a factual problem. The amount of time that particular point has been debunked by serious economists can be traced as far back as the 70’s. How can I give this man the benefit of the doubt when he hasn’t scratched the surface level problems which have already been disproven beyond doubt?

[@ilysaportax33]

1) can you cite your sources 2) the pay gap is real and has never been validly debunked.

[@TheDweeb002]

Richard Reeves on gender discrimination against boys: "there's almost no evidence to support that position!" The very next sentence: "there's no evidence at all!" Get your facts straight, Richie

[@kwailcamp]

In my country the men are more focused on monetary gain and are mostly convinced ( and not without some evidence here ) that the way to high earning is not through degrees and traditional professions but through "hustling" and through starting micro and small businesses.

[@marcuslong9761]

I dont get how ppl dont understand that when the education curriculum is made more friendly towards a female perspective, men are going to be disinterested and have trouble w it. Men and women have completely opposite ways that we learn and perceive information. If you ask me about a social issue, or i feel about something, i couldnt care less. Ask me to do a math problem, or complete a task and ill pick it up right away.

[@bobomac8330]

The way we now assess subjects at school favours a certain type of learner. Those that are more compliant. Also I suspect that standards have dropped to assist equality.

[@peripheralparadox4218]

They did an experiment and found that when teachers knew the gender of the students was male, they gave them lower marks when marking their assignments/tests.

[@johncrow5552]

A recent study in Australia found that girls did better in school exams (where the predominantly female teachers know whose test they are marking) but boys did just as well as girls in the final year blind test. (Where no names are on the exams, just a number and the exams are marked by unknown peeps) In Australia, these 2 test scores are combined to give a total score so clearly, girls have an advantage. Also some Universities are discriminating against boys by allowing girls to get into STEM fields with lower scores.

[@ilysaportax33]

Source?

[@andreae464]

There are sooo many factors not even alluded to here that need to be taken into account. 1) if higher ed numbers are a primary stat, then you have to factor in the high increase in college goers altogether. What proportion of the population is now attending higher ed, than 50, 75, or 100 years ago? Could this gap just be easier to see now because a larger percentage of people are now attending high ed? 2) if boys could get their homework in on time, say 75 years ago, why cant they now? Could it be that the education system has just become more lax, or even more strict?

[@rainmanjr2007]

People aren't talking about this enough because the focus is currently on female opportunity and development. Good work, Chris and Richard.

[@lebowski_dude]

Part of the reason is the modern emphasis on coursework rather than being graded by exams. Your overall grade used to be based almost entirely on final exams. Many subjects are now 50% (or more) coursework. Girls are generally more conscientious than boys so it suits them more than than one high-stakes exam.

[@manoftomorrow5987]

Btw...this shit will continue to get WORSE. With the rise of youtube influencers telling young men that education is a waste of time and to do what they do and buy their course to "become rich"..we heading down a path of a bunch of dunce young men who all want to be "entrepreneurs", hustlers and scammers because getting an education, developing skills and working on your carer is too slow of a path to success.

[@ilysaportax33]

Not just KZbinrs. It’s ironically the VAST majority of men in right wing and redpill spaces that will devalue education to their sons and then turn around to blame feminism when they can’t find a date. More specifically - Educational performance isn’t a tenant of the American masculine ethic, the way it is at the core of Asian and African masculine ethics. American dads prefer a quarterback son to a nerd son. In contrast, Nigerian and Chinese dads tell their sons they’ll amount to nothing if they don’t score high marks and go to a good college. No change to the education system will make up for the fact that the average young boy in the US gets culturally messaging that school is uncool, lame, and will cost him social capital.

[@ilysaportax33]

@@naikjoy your mindset is literally the problem. school is not and will never be useless. And for MOST people, educatiob will be the most accessible route to class and income elevation. You want to know what’s failing young boys in school? Most of the men they look up to devalue education and tell them it’s not important. Most of their dads praise touchdowns over straight As. The masculine culture in America completely shits on education. In my home country, no self respecting man would tell a young boy that education is useless. Masculinity in our culture highly encourages education and teaches boys that a degree is the best way to stability, status, and respect. My brothers graduated top of their classes in US schools and went to prestigious colleges. Both high earners. Spot the difference yet?

[@ilysaportax33]

@@naikjoy still wrong and still part of the problem. If you want your sons to be losers with no status that’s your business.

[@fiachoconnor]

To be fair, men in the time he's talking about, men were not told 'turn in your homework and go to college' they were told 'college is a waste, its time to go to work.' He has a very upper middle class view of men in education. Even though in universities the population was exclusively men, Most men, historically speaking, didn't go to college, went went to work. Offen from the age of thirteen.

[@ilysaportax33]

Fair point. Working class boys were told to go to work. Women of all classes had a different imperative - how do I gain as much agency as possible to avoid being under a man’s thumb? Thus, women in all classes flooded universities.

[@fiachoconnor]

@@ilysaportax33 no not women of all classes. The only people that went to university were ones that could afford it. The majority of men and women went to work. Grueling, hard jobs. It's a bit presumptuous to think that all women were trying to escape from men. Most people lived under necessity. They fulfilled their roles they had to survive and for their children to survive. If men and women didn't work together throughout history we wouldn't have made it as a species. Of course times changed, thank god, but be under no illusion. The overwhelming majority of men AND women lived very hard lives that you couldn't and wouldn't imagine.

[@ilysaportax33]

@@fiachoconnor I didn’t say all women of all classes or even most women, but yes colleges were flooded by women from all class stratifications. There was way more class diversity amongst women than men.

[@peterclark6290]

But college (Uni) is no longer a challenge or any indication of value. I would stack my high school final marks against most modern degrees: my degree would probably earn at least a modern Masters. The dumbing down of society began a long time ago. If it isn't always in a battle against power. History in reprise mode. As for raising boys - they know intuitively that they are in a lifetime of struggle; and we know that the way to be a winner is to develop common sense -- above all else, which is acquired only in free play, not books (Schopenhauer). Learning *how to make things and make things work* defines an adult (both sexes). But school's need structure, uniformity, control, so they will struggle to provide that. IOW look after the inner child and the adult will emerge in its own sweet time. Might be missing a finger and a toe but that's a lesson learnt. Django did all right.

[@alberich55]

Disagree almost totally. Teaching methods changed drastically after the 60s. From Kindergarten, my boys were chastised for not wanting to sit quietly and cut and color and there is a penchant for ADD diagnoses. They were often held in for recess to complete art projects. In upper grades, teaching methods have moved away from hard fact-based methods. When I was in school, homework wasn't graded, except for projects and papers. Now, effort is almost as important as results. I think this gentleman has some valid points, but is oversimplifying the issues present in our schools and needs to consider how methods have changed over time.

[@TheFirstTriplefife]

All these comments got it. The system is geared towards women in so many ways, including education. Its the one time I really think we need segregation, at least of the sexes so both can thrive in the way that they naturally learn best.

[@MrKrtek00]

yet all we speak about in academia “why so few women in STEM!?”

[@omri9982]

This is a conversation that society desperately needs to have.

[@geeianna7708]

When I was at school in the 1970s, girls did needle work whilst we did metal work. We did tech drawing whilst they did domestic science (now called food technology!)

[@joer9156]

Expecting women to fulfil the roles they were biologically built for rather than compete with men and thereby completely destroy society is not "sexism."

[@fredajordan5704]

Thank you Joe R, you said it all with very few words.

[@Khalikhalzit]

@She Knows Produce and care for children, which has been relegated to a pastime for many.

[@OkTxSheepLady]

Raising the next generation is the most important job in society. That it should be denigrated tells you the ultimate aim of the third wave feminism.

[@aks1993kumar]

@She Knows You definitely sound like a woke feminist. Bet you don’t have a husband or he is a pushover at best.

[@Khalikhalzit]

@She Knows I'm glad that you can successfully balance being a worker and a mother. I didn't mean that women should ONLY be stay-at-home mothers, but that our collective anti-natalism spells very bad things for Western society. Our group decision or result of being childless is such short-term thinking. It's not entirely voluntarily, either, considering how much messaging there is to have fewer or no children. Also, think of the sterilising effects of the Western diet. There are so many books and studies lamenting the West's sudden reversal on giving birth. It's also the excuse our leaders provide for unrelenting immigration, but they would probably force that on us anyway.

[@nikstalwart]

At 7:48, Richard says: "Nobody is saying to boys: 'don't you worry about college; just find a nice wife and settle down'". That's not true: for one thing, everyone's favourite 'Defender of Boys', Warren Farrell, says exactly that. Farrell says that boys are too competitive, competition is unhealthy, and they need to be less competitive to be more mentally and physically healthy going forward. Farrell also says, in his "The Boy Crisis" book, that men should stop striving for high status/achievement and that women should lower their standards for a prospective husband. But, of course, this only happens when the proverbial boys aren't being accused of toxic masculinity or some harassment or another.

[@eddie-ni5ox]

Wait, Farrell wants boys to be like girls in a round about way to compete with them, i see controlled op, never read the book but heard tons about it. Lol, even our so called leaders are traitors

[@ilysaportax33]

Dangerous message. Anyone telling boys not to worry about education isn’t worried about their best interest. The solution isn’t getting women to perform worse and accept less.

[@younghotboy757]

I wonder could the gap be because of sports.

[@mitchelljack1590]

What level of education is really beneficial to society and to self? I think we’ve gone beyond it