Modi says Nehru waffled over Goa liberation - Why India waited 14 years post-independence?

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@ThePrintIndia
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@chandrakantkamat6621
@chandrakantkamat6621 2 жыл бұрын
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@chandrakantkamat6621
@chandrakantkamat6621 2 жыл бұрын
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@lemosrego1389
@lemosrego1389 2 жыл бұрын
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@ramachandransm3343
@ramachandransm3343 2 жыл бұрын
Pppp
@soyuzssr
@soyuzssr 2 жыл бұрын
But the important point that this presentation misses out on is the fact that the US with their minions went all out in the security council against India and in favour of Portugal (and that Goa should have been returned to Portuguese control). It was only thanks to the VETO of the USSR that Goa is today an integral part of India. We should not forget this.
@darshan7267
@darshan7267 2 жыл бұрын
russian revolutionaries are anyway experts to fix Tsars or Sala tsars in this case, lol. great anecdote though.
@pushpenderrana6190
@pushpenderrana6190 2 жыл бұрын
No wonder the Russians are in goa in large numbers
@gurmukhgulabani5714
@gurmukhgulabani5714 2 жыл бұрын
Defending Nehru on behalf of congress.
@dilippatwa6574
@dilippatwa6574 2 жыл бұрын
Who was responsible for the grave mistake done by passing on rather gifted UNO security to China? It was not merely mistakes but criminal one.
@pushpenderrana6190
@pushpenderrana6190 2 жыл бұрын
All prime ministers of india have had a very timid andtip toeing relation with China bending over backwards trying not to annoy China and please the dragon .This has had exactly the opportunity effect with China riding roughshod all over the border and diplomatically too. Of late this reality has sunk in that india has to confront China whe its interests and borders are threatened. Better late than never
@aniseedus
@aniseedus 2 жыл бұрын
It's unfortunate that many Indians, let alone foreigners have not even heard of the Goan inquisition. The atrocities the Portuguese committed in Goa make the British look like a benevolent force.
@patmclaughlin107
@patmclaughlin107 2 жыл бұрын
We should ask the Pope to apologize for granting Inquisition in Goa.
@kiranmaddu8006
@kiranmaddu8006 2 жыл бұрын
That’s how I too look at history - What if Germany and Japan won the Second World War - then I realized there is a series in Prime - Man in the High Castle! Interesting one!
@sunilsethi2982
@sunilsethi2982 2 жыл бұрын
I had, no Indian wanted to here. Do you know they destroyed over 500 temples?
@kiranmaddu8006
@kiranmaddu8006 2 жыл бұрын
@@sunilsethi2982 None of us are not sure how we would behave in the 18th century if we are on the side of conquerors - we want to give a rosy picture to the human mind with a 21st-century mindset - most Psychology books explained this. The basic tendency is not to learn History = now WhatsApp and learning the history of politicians instigator speeches is the new norm - history won't change much - we should not read it with emotion or with any political favoritism.
@kiranmaddu8006
@kiranmaddu8006 2 жыл бұрын
@Surojeet Chatterjee Glad to see some reasonable talk on youtube - agree but I don't give plus or minus - they have done reasonably for that times.
@goodman3982
@goodman3982 2 жыл бұрын
One very imprtant point which you missed but it adds weightage to PM Nehru. When the Indian army went in and when the Portugese were outnumbered, Portugal dispatched it's reinforcements and Warships to Goa. They had to cross the Suez Canal to reach India, but Suez Canal had been recently nationalized by Egypt and the Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser refused permission to the Portugese as he was close friend of PM Nehru.
@sashinair1545
@sashinair1545 2 жыл бұрын
Correct. This point was missed by SG. Closing of suez was critical in stopping reinforcements.
@Roy-jz2ok
@Roy-jz2ok 2 жыл бұрын
Good insight
@PHANI00
@PHANI00 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. Mr Nehru had to wait till his good friend became President of Egypt and nationalize the Suez Canal, otherwise how could Goa have been saved. Good point adds a lot of weight.
@ammlu3556
@ammlu3556 2 жыл бұрын
Suez canal was taken over by Egypt in 1956
@RameshKumar-lp6op
@RameshKumar-lp6op 2 жыл бұрын
Was Portugese Navy and other forces stronger than Indian AF?
@jdharwadkar
@jdharwadkar 2 жыл бұрын
Being a Goan. I have always heard the stories of liberation of Goa & atrocities they had to ho through under the Portuguese rule. I didn't knew about this NATO alliance of Goa and how that screwed up / delayed the liberation. Good narration from you as always 🙏🏽 Love to share this with my friends and family
@06.vineethdsouza80
@06.vineethdsouza80 2 жыл бұрын
NATO point is bullshit , NATO only covers attacks in the north Atlantic , read NATO treaty article 5
@fabulousindian6582
@fabulousindian6582 2 жыл бұрын
@@06.vineethdsouza80 NATO is also in South China Sea, Caspian Sea, Djibouti also !
@mohsindalvi87
@mohsindalvi87 2 жыл бұрын
@@06.vineethdsouza80Portugal is in north atlantic. Goa & daman were considered as provinces in the map of portugal. The ppl in goa & daman were issued portuguese passports.
@GauravDhandhukia
@GauravDhandhukia 2 жыл бұрын
@@06.vineethdsouza80 NATO attacked wherever USA wanted
@Ti999
@Ti999 2 жыл бұрын
We were never taught in School about these operations to free Goa and Hyderabad State. I learnt a lot of Indian history (REAL ONE) after my formal education only.
@Dankseid-o1u
@Dankseid-o1u 2 жыл бұрын
@@n______n26 Because that is what it was.
@atulsalgaonkar6222
@atulsalgaonkar6222 2 жыл бұрын
As a child, I was taken to Portuguese Goa many times to visit relatives and remember the liberation when it occurred. One criticism leveled at PM Nehru was not that he was hesitant or a pacificist but that he was simply uncaring, as at least he could have negotiated for the release of long-held Indian prisoners like Mohan Ranade. Agree about the plebiscite trick that has been tried many times - Even Lincoln was asked to hold one in the southern states.
@SubodhMishrasubEE
@SubodhMishrasubEE 2 жыл бұрын
Correct!
@bordakar4102
@bordakar4102 2 жыл бұрын
How could he when he did not utter a single dissent voice in favour of Bhagat Singh
@rahulhari3261
@rahulhari3261 2 жыл бұрын
it's a well known fact that the brown sahib Nehru had a soft corner for the xtian elite of goa. Any doubt why he waited 14 years to launch Operation Vijay
@ritaarambhan8002
@ritaarambhan8002 2 жыл бұрын
Nehru had his compulsions. It is easy to judge now. We had just faced a partition and a blood bath perhaps Nehru did not want major loss of lives. Tks for all the information
@rahulhari3261
@rahulhari3261 2 жыл бұрын
Pure BS. Goa was Hindu majority even back then surrounded by 2 Hindu majority states. Nehru being a Pussilanimous prick refused to liberate goa
@deepakshandilya5528
@deepakshandilya5528 2 жыл бұрын
Dadra & nagar haveli were also part of Portuguese territory, but it was liberated in 1954. I guess Portugal was part of NATO then still nothing happened 😂
@vkramchander1126
@vkramchander1126 2 жыл бұрын
That's surprising! A valid question indeed !
@SubodhMishrasubEE
@SubodhMishrasubEE 2 жыл бұрын
This NATO Wala argument is actually baseless. But journalists write articles for other journalists so we know why one does what he does.
@sarsonsar0
@sarsonsar0 2 жыл бұрын
WahModijiWah! Though Dadra, Nagar & Haveli were liberated by our revolutionaries in 1954, it was not incorporated into India officially until 1961. It was officially under Portuguese possession from 1954 to 61. Instead of talking about the issues of today we all are talking about Nehru's Galti! WahModijiWah!
@GauravGupta-rz6zb
@GauravGupta-rz6zb 2 жыл бұрын
@@SubodhMishrasubEE Of course you will say its baseless, otherwise how will you support Modiji argument. Do read when Dadar and Nagar Haveli was actually enacted in India. It was freed in 1954 but became official part of India in 1961. Jab tak journalist Modiji ke support main bole to sahi as soon as he counter his argument he becomes wrong. In-fact out of all online journalist I have found Shekar is most neutral.
@GauravGupta-rz6zb
@GauravGupta-rz6zb 2 жыл бұрын
@@himanshu0784 Wow, do read when they actually became part of India you might say oops yourself.
@rajyse
@rajyse 2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful explanation of the entire Goa liberation. Pointing on someone is easy but they showed the way. We need to respect them for their work. I wanted to know about how much we are liberating rather dividing the people of India.
@agonnoga6100
@agonnoga6100 2 жыл бұрын
Correction SG Salazar was not the only fascist dictator who survived WW2. Franco of Spain also survived WW2 and ruled Spain with an iron fist for many years after the end of WW2.
@muralimurahari4038
@muralimurahari4038 2 жыл бұрын
👍👍👍👍 100 % correct. I live in Canada and I once met an old Portuguese man who talked of how his Dad a farmer used to give away a portion of his crop produce to the government which gave it free to the Nazis in a bribery bid to stay out of war. He was unapologetic about Portuguese colonialism which brought huge prosperity to Portugal. One more thing : I am not too sure about this but I think Pakistan seized a ship-load of arms on the way to Goa?? Frsnce was a NATO ( reluctant) member but got stuck in wars in Algeria & Vietnam when it tried to hang on to its colonies. I am a 100 % Modi bhakt and if he feels Nehru was timid about handling these matters, I shall go with it.🥰🥰🥰
@varoonnone7159
@varoonnone7159 2 жыл бұрын
@@muralimurahari4038 I have much respect for Modi but I don't get why Nehru gets so much criticism. He had a poor, populated, divided country to govern when nothing was still in place. He did an excellent job in retrospect
@muralimurahari4038
@muralimurahari4038 2 жыл бұрын
@@varoonnone7159 My Dad used to be an avid fan of Nehru and I went along with that till my teen yesrs when I joined FORUM FOR FREE ENTERPRISE as I was disgusted with the sloth in the public sector. Yes his empoerment bid through land reforms labour laws and modernizing India is praise worthy. Maybe some of the criticism is not warranted....I really dont know? 😊
@haroon420
@haroon420 2 жыл бұрын
@@muralimurahari4038 I don’t think it is. We have the benefit of hindsight and a chanced world and changed attitudes. At a certain point, previous governments should be freed of blame. We can still learn from them but criticism should be only academic, not political. I mean, what meaningful relevance does 1962 have to 2022???
@haroon420
@haroon420 2 жыл бұрын
If modi thinks Nehru was weak on Portugal. Why does he not then go on the offensive with Portugal and ask for reparations? Or downgrade the diplomatic relationship to make a point? Even he knows, it doesn’t mean anything. So why is he still harping on about what Nehru did.
@MrYaatri
@MrYaatri 2 жыл бұрын
Some 30-35 years ago, I worked with someone connected with a US Navy officer who had served as a Naval Attache in Lisbon in the 60s. This person, a veteran Republican was thoroughly impressed with "the order" in Portugal. From our conversations, I had surmised in 1992 that Portugal's membership in NATO had been the only impediment in India"s plans for Goa. Shekhar Gupta just confirmed my "intelligent guess".
@darshan7267
@darshan7267 2 жыл бұрын
kudos to great journalism. SG
@mtarkes
@mtarkes 2 жыл бұрын
Salute to all the people who fought for liberation of Goa.
@lakshmesheelasundar1208
@lakshmesheelasundar1208 2 жыл бұрын
These days why do we have to be apologetic when mentioning Nehru and his actions? Judge people by their times. What was he in charge of as the first PM of a nation just born ?: A poverty stricken , famine stricken nation , backward industrially, literacy wise, agritech wise ... In fact that group of regions had just become a nation. Before that we all know India did not exist as it is now there were no institutions for governance, elections, parliament and military governance and so on. It was a Greenfield project for Nehru and like Rajnath Singh in the first NDA rule in 2014 said, no one can fault Nehru's intent. Indeed he hada singular purpose to make India modern by adhering to DEMOCRATIC VALUES and following PEACE PEACE PEACE. As taught to him by his leader, Mhatma Gandhi. If they had not put peace ahead of everything else, today we would also be a backward, religion based country that is in loggerheads with itself and neighbours. Check West Asia and our own people
@rohanindra6401
@rohanindra6401 2 жыл бұрын
We have chosen peaceful route and what did we achieve in return? Lost territory in Kashmir and Ladakh. Our neighbours still hate us. We are technically backward with a per capita income of $2000 due to socialist policies. We are a religion based society giving special treatment to non Hindus.
@revathisivakumar8658
@revathisivakumar8658 2 жыл бұрын
Well said.
@revathisivakumar8658
@revathisivakumar8658 2 жыл бұрын
Well said Lakshme, I mean.
@pokinewspropaganda977
@pokinewspropaganda977 2 жыл бұрын
@Quadratic Equation hindi was created by bihar not mughals they used persian
@rohanindra6401
@rohanindra6401 2 жыл бұрын
@Quadratic Equation lol im from south but Hindi is derived from Sanksrit with some persian words. Its like saying English is Italian or French language just because they share Latin and French words lmao.
@oops262686
@oops262686 2 жыл бұрын
Its fascinating how folks from places like Goa, Pondicherry actually boast how they were ruled for a longer period of time thus having richer western culture 🤣🤣 reminds me of Simon Come back memes 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@23abhisheknaik
@23abhisheknaik 2 жыл бұрын
People can be proud of their culture while being aware of the difficulties of that time. Who’d have thought humans are complicated social beings.
@parvadhami980
@parvadhami980 2 жыл бұрын
But Pudduchery has a clear demarcation of how the French used to live (in rich quarters, broad streets, closer to the coast) while Tamils used to live in congested, dirty, narrow parts. If still they're proud of that then Ignorance is bliss!
@siddhantk4985
@siddhantk4985 2 жыл бұрын
Some of the point missed . 1 Even after independence of goa. Portugal started giving Portugese citizenship to defy Indian government. 2.some of laws of present day goa are taken from Portugese constitution. So goa is only state in country to have uniform civil code.
@chandubai
@chandubai 2 жыл бұрын
Yes.. I have some Goaen friends who has Portugal 🇵🇹 passport as well as India 🇮🇳
@indrajitbandyopadhyay9161
@indrajitbandyopadhyay9161 2 жыл бұрын
Only two places people allowed to have dual nationality Goa and pondicherry
@10albatross
@10albatross Жыл бұрын
In spite of all the atrocities, all the converted goan christians are proud of being Christians like muslims in India and have conflicts with local hindus whose forefathers fought bravely with Portuguese and did not convert unlike the cowardly forefathers of christians.
@deepeshgaur4653
@deepeshgaur4653 2 жыл бұрын
SG left so many questions unanswered. 1.) Why didn't NATO come to rescue of Portugal in 1961 war? 2.) What changed Nehru's mind to invade and liberate goa? 3.)Why did we wait till 1961 if we were to liberate goa by force?
@Manikanta-hh7wp
@Manikanta-hh7wp 2 жыл бұрын
Lol.. You didn't saw the video, stupid
@baronharkonnen7894
@baronharkonnen7894 2 жыл бұрын
Dude, he answered them. It's JFK.
@_kartik_chauhan
@_kartik_chauhan 2 жыл бұрын
I think China Fear
@deepeshgaur4653
@deepeshgaur4653 2 жыл бұрын
Could JFK have changed NATO policy all by himself and allowed indian army to march in and liberate goa? Even Portugal was hell bent on saving goa. It called it as integral part of its territory. MAYBE one reason why Nehru delayed army action could be that Nehru didn't want india to become a theatre for cold War politics by inviting NATO.
@aravindc102
@aravindc102 2 жыл бұрын
Portuguese colonies were not part of NATO. Article 5 of NATO collective defence only applies to territories in Europe and North America
@ashishsawant81
@ashishsawant81 2 жыл бұрын
Very authentic presentation of historical facts as a Goan I can give a thumbs up to Shekarji and his team for the research. The swift operation by Indian army was possible only because of the support it received from the local people and countless number of freedom fighters.
@deshdunya6961
@deshdunya6961 2 жыл бұрын
The PM who hasn't uttered a word on China's presence wants us to forget today and remember Nehru who died 50 years ago.
@rajasphadke3995
@rajasphadke3995 2 жыл бұрын
My grandmother was part of the contingent who helped in nursing the people who had fallen down after being caned or shot at by the portugese. These people did not carry any weapons on them instead they wanted to enter goa. She talked of one of the leaders Hirve Guruji who she saw fall. Another friends grandmother Sudhatai Joshi languished in portugese jail for a long time. I'm sure there are many family stories to independence struggle which need to be cherished as they will never be told by the biased historians
@coldram1111
@coldram1111 2 жыл бұрын
What I understand and learned about international relations/politics, those who have power(economic, military) and most importantly can show/use strength gets all the respect.
@kapildhakad8008
@kapildhakad8008 2 жыл бұрын
🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳 Very exceptional analysis, hats off sir 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
@codered81
@codered81 2 жыл бұрын
The way the Goa liberation was played out over 10 years with Nehru basically waiting for regime change in US , I am now more convinced how the congress led freedom movement was slow and less effective against the british
@gauravv8097
@gauravv8097 2 жыл бұрын
They atleast they fought for our freedom! What did ppl like savarkar do?🤣 Go beg British for mercy and plot with them to bring down our real freedom fighters?? And after we got our freedom finally, go kill MG. Some ppl today are calling him a hero! A guy who didnt give a drop of blood for our freedom. And its easy to say we should have used force for freedom, when you are just sitting on you lazy ass commenting crap.
@codered81
@codered81 2 жыл бұрын
@@gauravv8097 was savarkar the only person with anti congress ideology? why he’s being always brought to defend congress?
@gauravv8097
@gauravv8097 2 жыл бұрын
@@codered81 because bjp calls savarkar a hero! He created RSS, he killed GHANDHI, joined hands with British, begged British for mercy! And ppl like u compare him with our real freedom fighting heros? who else killed Mahatma Gandhi? That's y his name is brought up again and again 🤷
@aravindc102
@aravindc102 2 жыл бұрын
Small correction , NATO is responsible for defense of territories only in ''Europe'' and "North America" . This is the reason NATO didn't intervene when Argentina invaded Falklands. From NATO Website , "The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all"
@avinashkotni2906
@avinashkotni2906 2 жыл бұрын
When was the Falkland Attack ??? Wasn't it 1982...
@aravindc102
@aravindc102 2 жыл бұрын
@@avinashkotni2906 yes, in the 80's
@viswanathandoctor9219
@viswanathandoctor9219 2 жыл бұрын
THANKS. First time I understood why there was a delay in liberation of Goa 🙏
@knowledgeworld796
@knowledgeworld796 2 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/injId36LnqyhmJI diabetes मधुमेह का रामबाण इलाज इस पौधे में 😊केवल एक पत्ता रोज खा ले 🙏
@ranjandasgupta2995
@ranjandasgupta2995 2 жыл бұрын
In the Goa liberation of 1961, my father who had joined the army in 1952, also participated. Gupta
@pramodkrishnamurthy3707
@pramodkrishnamurthy3707 2 жыл бұрын
Scintillating CTC, Shekharji! Much appreciated, as always
@vish_globalist
@vish_globalist 2 жыл бұрын
Key takeaway - Nehru was concerned about public opinion and image in the west than within India. Entirely in character and similar to Rahul. Print as usual does a great job of holding fort for Congress. We need this considering the total lack of opposition to BJP.
@pharaohakhneton9553
@pharaohakhneton9553 2 жыл бұрын
It is one of the best episodes for me because it filled a gap in my understanding the history in the aftermath of Independence. I was always wondering when Infia could drive the British who were the mightiest Imperialist power of human history , what stopped India from throwing France and Portugal from India,after all their colonies were like small dots. Sekharji, the mystery was solved.I could understand the complex situation prevailing then,which prevented Nehruji to take any adventurous step. If the human affairs were so complex then, how much more complex it is now due to tremendous scientific and technological advancement. If it USA+NATO backing , which stopped India from taking over Goa then, the situation is no different now. Pakistan which has forcibly occupied and colonized POK , but India is hesitant to reclaim our portion of Kashmir from Pakistan because it has the support of Red China.Whatever, the idealists and dreamers and utopian thinkers may say, one thing is clear- mighty would always rule the world and might as always is a combination of arms power and the power of human mind.
@PB-hf9of
@PB-hf9of 2 жыл бұрын
Kashmir is completely different, Goa is a small part and was being controlled from so far a land , Nehru was unnecessarily hesitant
@vkramchander1126
@vkramchander1126 2 жыл бұрын
TRUE.
@himanshu0784
@himanshu0784 2 жыл бұрын
@@rjrocks249 Real truth of India freedom from British but sadly no one has guts to say Truth
@mrthinker321
@mrthinker321 2 жыл бұрын
Except India and Pakistan have actually signed a treaty of ceasefire that defines the line of control "loc" that they will maintain. We would be breaking the treaty once we attack Pakistan. We did not have that with Portuguese
@anshagrawal6289
@anshagrawal6289 2 жыл бұрын
No, Pakistan does not have a nato like alliance with China In fact, Pakistan is a treaty bound US ally
@vamsi9855
@vamsi9855 2 жыл бұрын
It’s simple fact, Nehru is not Sardar Vallabhai Patel Ji …. Good that he did not make Goa another Kashmir
@deveshsonam
@deveshsonam 2 жыл бұрын
But nehru created kashmir problem....he could have resolved it then itself...
@sashinair1545
@sashinair1545 2 жыл бұрын
Yess Nehru was no Sardar and Sardar was no Nehru.
@DhruvPatel-zg1zs
@DhruvPatel-zg1zs 2 жыл бұрын
But both were good friends and well wisher of India.
@youdekho
@youdekho 2 жыл бұрын
At the end it was use of force which worked in Goa libration.....so where is the logic that Nehru was avoiding use of force ?
@23abhisheknaik
@23abhisheknaik 2 жыл бұрын
Using force is always considered to be the last option. The amount of diplomatic back-channeling between countries never makes it out into the public. Even if it does, it comes out decades later in the form of memoirs.
@chokaling
@chokaling 2 жыл бұрын
Heh heh... I guess you didn't understand 95% of what SG was saying. Watch it again, and you'll eventually understand the logic.
@Dhruv_Jain
@Dhruv_Jain 2 жыл бұрын
Abe Chutiye Did you even watch the video?🤣
@youdekho
@youdekho 2 жыл бұрын
@@chokaling 95 percent which you understood was Gupta ji's intense try to tell that it was ok..... government change in USA blah blah.
@youdekho
@youdekho 2 жыл бұрын
@Sharat Sundar Bhai....I did. If India was so careful what USA think, 1971 would have never happened. It felt like excuses with NATO and everything. At the end it was anyway not a peaceful transfer of power
@MrRichardlobo
@MrRichardlobo 2 жыл бұрын
As a Goan my self I too learnt many diplomatic issues during liberation from this Video.
@MrRichardlobo
@MrRichardlobo 2 жыл бұрын
@Tyt Xlx Goans had issues with Salazar's regime.
@IAmManush
@IAmManush 2 жыл бұрын
19:15 Correction: Pinto Cospiracy is 1787 🙂 Anyway, loved to hear the true history of Goa’s Independence & PM Nehru’s efforts to resolve Goa dispute through peace without invoking NATO’s fury.
@satishmadhaoraogundawar4784
@satishmadhaoraogundawar4784 2 жыл бұрын
Actually he was spineless. Hyderabad, Kashmir, Baluchsthan, Goa events show that he was more interested in his own image. But you forgot to mention contribution of RSS members like Sudhir Phadake, Jaganathrao Joshi and many more. They were main architect of Goa liberation. Nehru never wanted to give them credit. If he would've not sent force, freedom fighters would have liberated it.
@prashanthb6521
@prashanthb6521 2 жыл бұрын
You are giving way too much credit to traitors who worshiped Queen Victoria.
@kramachandran4292
@kramachandran4292 2 жыл бұрын
@@prashanthb6521 ?????
@rishav2463
@rishav2463 2 жыл бұрын
Absolute gem of an episode!
@vikramadityajha8924
@vikramadityajha8924 2 жыл бұрын
This episode is just part of "Discovery of India " for the people of our generation who are not knowing anything about Goa liberation. I am personally with Chacha Nehru as he timely took the action to liberate Goa. When you give all discredited for defeat against China , why don't we give him due respect for Goa liberation. Thanks to presidential debate for taking people back to history, but let don't take it the politics.
@thinwhitedukerhapsody
@thinwhitedukerhapsody 2 жыл бұрын
Let peeps here cope Nehru is the architect and will remain the architect of modern India no amount of Internet rambling will reverse that.
@ishaangupta2223
@ishaangupta2223 2 жыл бұрын
@@theshekhar5 oh rlly then pls do tell us who is using ur WhatsApp university books !
@mdirtydogg
@mdirtydogg 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Mr Gupta, once again, for placing issues in perspective. I hope people look past mere words at facts.
@dibyajyotidas5239
@dibyajyotidas5239 2 жыл бұрын
Take a bow for this declutter. That NATO was so closely involved in independent India politics is very less known.
@dilipkanade2665
@dilipkanade2665 2 жыл бұрын
It is painful to mention that two of the freedom fighters of Goa Mohan Ranade and Tello Mascaranhas remained in Portuguese jail even after Goa was liberated. Ranade was released NOT by our diplomatic initiative but due to the request by Tamilnadu C.M. C.N.Annadurai, to the Pope. Mohan Ranade passed away in Pune 3 years back. The news of his demise was mentioned by one of the national dailies published from the city on an inside page, while the other completely ignored it.
@celsapinto2338
@celsapinto2338 2 жыл бұрын
It would definitely be more painful to tell you that 15 of those implicated in the Pinto's Revolt ( and I am a Pinto of the same family) were brutally executed by the Portuguese.
@nobody-789
@nobody-789 2 жыл бұрын
If one is still remembered and envied after 57 years of one's death, make no mistake he is a true legend in history.
@RameshMatham0507
@RameshMatham0507 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! Like Hitler, Chengis Khan and Attila the Hun.
@Gitika28
@Gitika28 2 жыл бұрын
This was a great history lesson sir!
@shivkumarrp8515
@shivkumarrp8515 2 жыл бұрын
I do not understand why nehru for freeing our own territory was looking for world approval. Pakistan occupied kashmir in 1948 and india observed cease fire instead of clearing the Pakistani forces. If nehru had been prime minister in 1971 bangladesh would never have been independent. He would have waited for consensus ! He was the weakest prime minister especially in foreign affairs
@kushal4956
@kushal4956 2 жыл бұрын
Nehru Bashing has become a trend nowadays. When you can't answer for your own shortcomings, you start picking on men who lived decades ago
@shashanksingh9794
@shashanksingh9794 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@Dankseid-o1u
@Dankseid-o1u 2 жыл бұрын
nehru bashing is perfectly normal, after all it is only nehru not patel who is being bashed.
@sudiptasamaddar8149
@sudiptasamaddar8149 2 жыл бұрын
On a side note, historians (as far as our text book history is concerned) always talked about British invasion of India and to a small scope French Dutch and Portugese invasions. These have been a takling point for the last 70 years. No one dares to talk about Turkish, afghan and mughal invasions of the past which went on for millenia. Mr Gupta being an unbiased source of facts also seems to part away from these facts!
@SudeeptaChakraborty
@SudeeptaChakraborty 2 жыл бұрын
Isn't that an untruth? We did read about Islamic invasions in our history books, unless you were following a very different curriculum.
@pp_01123
@pp_01123 2 жыл бұрын
@@SudeeptaChakraborty I think she did online education from some APP :P In NCERT Grade 7 and in Grade 11-12 Islamic invasions are mentioned but she didn't get time to read as she was busy in APP :)
@SamirSeth
@SamirSeth 2 жыл бұрын
Shekhar says : "Salazar was the only european fascist leader after the war". I think Franco (ruled Spain 1939-1975) could also be considered to be in the same category.
@gauravsareen240
@gauravsareen240 2 жыл бұрын
Best CTC of the new year!!! Excellent stuff...
@Mjjjyyy
@Mjjjyyy 2 жыл бұрын
GuptaJi nails it again. Goa is more than a tourist state and it's liberation is very less discussed in our national discourse. Lage raho SG!
@rameshg2717
@rameshg2717 2 жыл бұрын
European never wanted to give up their colonies. Still many African countries are heavily influenced by European countries and some are still dependent on French currency. Steering india safely away from these powers is great deal. Thanks to the leaders of the past.
@samin096
@samin096 2 жыл бұрын
We now a days forget the struggles after independence
@nirmalarebello7373
@nirmalarebello7373 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting! Thank you for sharing!
@lochangopalan
@lochangopalan 2 жыл бұрын
Shekar, a pretty good review of Euroscape as a throwback on the liberation of Goa. The apt use of the word opprobrium is commendable. This is probably one of your best, to date.
@ChaudryShehryarYounis
@ChaudryShehryarYounis 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the effort... Great knowledge
@biplabbray7877
@biplabbray7877 2 жыл бұрын
Dear Shekhar ji Since you had researched a lot on Goa independence, it would have been prudent to mention the contribution of 2MPs Mr Tridib Chaudhury n Mr Limaye both of whom were sent to Goa by Mr. Nehru as political representative from India to fight for Goa's independence. Both were treated inhumanely by Goan authorities then. As a reward for his contribution,Nehru never put up a Congress candidate against Tridib Chaudhury (RSP) in LS election from Beharampore(WB) till AdhirR Chaudhury defeated him . Hope you liked the titbits.
@manojbd135
@manojbd135 2 жыл бұрын
You just proved the Prime Minister’s point that Nehru was a pacifist! Compare his bowing down to the American pressure compared to Indira Gandhi’s handling of Kissinger-Nixon duo!
@arunhuddar
@arunhuddar 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for digging out history of Goa.
@kshtagrawal1
@kshtagrawal1 2 жыл бұрын
Great episode! Learnt a lot
@SanjayTiwari-bh8rd
@SanjayTiwari-bh8rd 2 жыл бұрын
It is always pleasant to see presentations of SG on history. This one brilliantly captures the reasons of Nehru's cautious approach on Goa. Now I have a better understanding compared to the one I had while listening to Modi's speech in Parliament. Thanks Print and SG.
@prashanthb6521
@prashanthb6521 2 жыл бұрын
How I hope todays youth understand like this and stops relying on whatsapp knowledge.
@mailtorajrao
@mailtorajrao 2 жыл бұрын
It is quite difficult to imagine that NATO would have attacked India over Goa, given USSR... In any case, Mid 1950s was not long ago since FDR's strong opinion on Allies holding on to countries post II war. It is an _erroneous conclusion_ that US official policy supported PT's occupation of Goa in any earnestness.
@sreekr
@sreekr 2 жыл бұрын
India-Soviet ties were upgraded to a military alliance dimension only in 1971 under Indira Gandhi when the Peace and friendship treaty with them was signed. Before that any NATO attack didn't imply guaranteed Soviet assistance to India.
@aritrakarakart5163
@aritrakarakart5163 2 жыл бұрын
@@chunilalbaldaniya153 and you always try to demonise them? Saying the truth is not trying to save somebody from criticism.
@aritrakarakart5163
@aritrakarakart5163 2 жыл бұрын
it is erroneous to assume USSR would have automatically and earnestly supported India in any conflict with NATO. You need to understand foreign policy is not a mere game of oh this should have happened or that should have happened. It has real consequences and a looming consequence of military intervention was that of a NATO attack which would have destroyed India if it had happened. Obviously it is highly unfortunate that Goans had to wait so long for their liberation but it did happen. Without completely understanding and realizing the dynamics of world politics in the 50s and 60s we can say a lot of things and make a lot of noise but it is unwise to say the least.
@mailtorajrao
@mailtorajrao 2 жыл бұрын
@@aritrakarakart5163 Of course in hindsight one can only conjecture and discuss in terms of probabilities. However, that fact remains that from 1955 till end of Khrushchev period, India received more military assistance from USSR than even China! Question on whether NATO would have attacked, likelihood is less and had NATO attacked, USSR assistance seems likely. Foreign policy is complex and that Nehru's foreign policy had a strong pacifist element, is also a fact. Therefore, one would give PM's statement on Nehru/Goa more credence, than not. Probabilistically.
@mailtorajrao
@mailtorajrao 2 жыл бұрын
@@aritrakarakart5163 Sure. The keywords are 'saying the truth' -- But one tends to think that *SG* was only weaving a narrative in terms of possibilities & likelihoods, no?
@xtinxn
@xtinxn 2 жыл бұрын
I did not know about most of this. Quite an enriching episode from The Print!
@junnuravikumar
@junnuravikumar 2 жыл бұрын
much needed way of journalism.
@KKK-ey1kv
@KKK-ey1kv 2 жыл бұрын
Why Modi always indulge in criticising & blaming Neharuji. Truly speaking before Neharuji this Modi is nothing. Neharuji has towering personality He is highly cultured,educated and man of calibre. Whereas Modi is neither highly educated nor cultured person. The only reason why this Modi hates Neharuji is that, he kept the RSS in tight condition and his action is quite right from the view of progress development of modern India. To sum up Neharuji was the first P.M. of our country.He richly deserves that post with all his capability &dedicated service to nation.In fact, nowdays we cannot find such a refined cultured scholarstic, and scientific tempered mega personality like Neharuji. Hats off to him ! Jai hind !
@rjrastapopoulos1595
@rjrastapopoulos1595 2 жыл бұрын
4:40 was he really the only significant dictator? Wasn't his neighbour Francisco Franco also a significant fascist dictator to survive WW2?
@knowledgeworld796
@knowledgeworld796 2 жыл бұрын
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@mahendraprabhu2385
@mahendraprabhu2385 2 жыл бұрын
True Picture Thanks.
@nicpirate007
@nicpirate007 2 жыл бұрын
Nehru passed 58 years ago. Scolding him for judgements and choices he made is like scolding one's great grandfather for not making better choices so that you would have been a better version of you. Nehru presided over an impoverished country dependent on outside for everything from food to weapons. I am aghast that we are stuck with this conversation while we have not progressed up the R&D and manufacturing ladder literally funding our biggest rival by importing high end items from them(from metro tunnel boring machines to consumer electronics). Our msmes collapsing under covid and youth rotting away unemployed.
@0609Bhuwan
@0609Bhuwan 2 жыл бұрын
Just on a point.... The PM was only "replying" to Pappu .. It was RG that brought up his GGF and family during his speech.. It is also a matter of fact that Goa is about to go to elections and the message on the delayed freedom resonated well ....
@nicpirate007
@nicpirate007 2 жыл бұрын
No wonder his party gets stuck at 40 and 50 seats.
@desigulal
@desigulal 2 жыл бұрын
Bitching about the past and selling dreams of the future is important to keep the attention away from the present.
@dattatreyajana9215
@dattatreyajana9215 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah but poverty doesn't justify giving strategic geographic points away to neighbouring countries
@nicpirate007
@nicpirate007 2 жыл бұрын
Most times countries have to bide time. China is waiting for the oppurtune moment to integrate Taiwan and possibly waiting for the current Dalai Lama to pass so that they can appoint the next one to complete their grip on Tibet. Sikkim was integrated only in 1975 and Nepalese royal family reportedly offered merger with Indian union that was not acted upon. There are many judgements in history we may not agree with. Weaponising them as decoy today is also ok....just that sensible people should not fall for it
@SAIPRADEEP070
@SAIPRADEEP070 2 жыл бұрын
Biigest failure against china was from nehru , who lost aksai chin from india , needles to say shame it brought to us
@rajshekhar1147
@rajshekhar1147 2 жыл бұрын
In Patel's biography written by Rajmohan Gandhi it is stated that Nehru was reluctant to take control of Kashmir and Junagarh. The same reluctance reflects in taking of Goa. Had Patel alive, Goa would have been independent long back.
@krusaam
@krusaam 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation. Thanks
@aeekhrbsd920
@aeekhrbsd920 2 жыл бұрын
Learn a lot through this piece.. Thank you SG
@MBhat001
@MBhat001 2 жыл бұрын
I am a proud Konkani whose ancestors fled Goa to save themselves from persecution leaving thier wealth, land and everything they had behind. Our kuladevata is Navadurga at Madkai. We do visit Goa now and then to have darshan of our Godess. I have visited Lisbon too with my family. Most of the people I enquired about India are ignorant about rule of Portuguese in Goa. Thier standard of living is coming down and are leaving the country for greener pastures to other European countries. What astonishes me is the comparison of Portuguese population which is about 1 crore now ruled India which currently has about 125 crores. If you go back to 15th to 16 century with population ratio of 1 : 125 ( excluding pak and Bangla ) i wonder how such a small country could rule India for such a long time.
@ziplock8316
@ziplock8316 2 жыл бұрын
This happened cause India was never a united country until '47. We were always in fragments. Unifying a billion+ people is a miracle in itself. Saffron cockroaches today think it's ok play divisive and hate filled politics. And that is our biggest threat.
@MBhat001
@MBhat001 2 жыл бұрын
@@ziplock8316 read my comment again. It's not billion population that time but aversion of Nehru to take risk in unifying India by the excuse of NATO. He never wanted to loose the usurped coveted chair of PM which he got by using Gandhi against Late Shri. Vallabh bhai Patel
@kevincastelino3209
@kevincastelino3209 2 жыл бұрын
Today the entire history of Indian civilisation is seen through the glasses of either RSS propaganda. Sardar Patel gets the credit for bridging states under Indian Union but Nehru gets the stick for the failures. The fact is there was no one except SC Bose who tried to unite Indians to fight militarily for freedom. What can one man do when the society is fragmented. Most of the Indians were working for British and Portugese. But in the evolutionary process our chance to evolve as a courageous and brave community was lost due to fragmentation sanctioned by scriptures. We should accept this reality of being ruled by foreigners for 1000 years with our own help. It's pathetic to see today people still boasting of the caste superiority and misleading the gullible.
@MBhat001
@MBhat001 2 жыл бұрын
@@kevincastelino3209 is there any line in my comment about caste superiority or about fooling people. You should have said now people are awaked and realised the blunders of our so called Nehru.
@akshytube
@akshytube 2 жыл бұрын
If you try to understand a thief also you end up sympathising the thief if not appreciating the thief. Just get it should be moto.
@subhrangsudutta8029
@subhrangsudutta8029 10 ай бұрын
Although one year later, we must agree that such pieces of your publication are really mesmerizing with our political history to revisit again and again 🙏🙏✍️✍️✌️✌️
@hemanshubangera5121
@hemanshubangera5121 2 жыл бұрын
Narendra Modi is my favourite actor ❤️
@chokaling
@chokaling 2 жыл бұрын
Superb and illuminating account of a puzzling bit of Indian history!
@abhinavsingh.92
@abhinavsingh.92 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you're clarifying issues like this. Also, the bit you said about people of this generation actually applies to people across generations, with the exception of those with an open mind.
@raghu135a
@raghu135a 2 жыл бұрын
By the end of the monologue one is left scratching his head what Shekhar Gupta bought to light that we already don't know. If he was trying to defend Nehru, we are no wiser how Nehru was justified in the delayed action. "One may say nehru was pacifist.. this... that, Modi was also right that freedom fighters were killed by Portuguese Govt". Arre baba kehna kya chahte ho??
@prashanthbharadwaj5504
@prashanthbharadwaj5504 2 жыл бұрын
This is another example of how bad our education system is... We have so much that we don't know about ourselves
@darshu94
@darshu94 2 жыл бұрын
Bjp rss tried to tell but u guys dismissed it saying its past.
@prashanthbharadwaj5504
@prashanthbharadwaj5504 2 жыл бұрын
@@darshu94 the govt is controlled by BJP now. Whats stopping them to revise the syllabus now???
@manojsundar5719
@manojsundar5719 2 жыл бұрын
In the freedom movement lessons of school, Congress's struggle against British are so much mentioned. The following or not: - the British and Portugal atrocities not mentioned - struggle against Portugal ,France not mentioned. - khilafat separatist movement ( except a paragraph) - Dravidian separatist movement - which was a backstabber not mentioned - how India lost the possibility of srilanka being another state and a huggge strategic boundary - Kashmir separatist movement - north east maoist influence
@sauron2000000
@sauron2000000 2 жыл бұрын
Whose back did Dravidian stab?
@manojsundar5719
@manojsundar5719 2 жыл бұрын
@@sauron2000000 ee ve ramasamy was a congress guy. He went out, started a party and started telling people not to join Gandhi and his freedom.movement and sought for a separate country for himself and his group under the then Queen or governor general. He went one step up . when entire India was fighting to cruel British, he praised British who did jallian walla bagh massacre .
@sauron2000000
@sauron2000000 2 жыл бұрын
@@manojsundar5719 So he was parochial and thought of only his community. I heard that a guy named Savarkar did the same.
@manojsundar5719
@manojsundar5719 2 жыл бұрын
@@sauron2000000 that's the point. You heard. People heard. It not the truth. For 65 yrs people heard Hitler's symbol is swastika . but its a hooked cross. Savarkar wasn't a separatist. Savarkar didn't go to people and spread bad things against Gandhi.
@urldroidsuperbot2139
@urldroidsuperbot2139 2 жыл бұрын
Salazar wasn't the last "dictator" of Europe. Franco was.
@SudeeptaChakraborty
@SudeeptaChakraborty 2 жыл бұрын
Let's give that too Lukaschenko, shall we? And Tito was in power till 1980.
@urldroidsuperbot2139
@urldroidsuperbot2139 2 жыл бұрын
@@SudeeptaChakraborty Yes. I actually like to keep Russia and former USSR outside Europe, although I know it is not correct. Funny how Lukashenko was branded the "the last dictator" by Condoleeza Rice in 2005 in a visit to the Russophobe Baltic Republics. But Luka has the tendency to play West and Russia against each other. So much so, even as late as in 2020 Pompeo went to hug him because he was rattling the Russians with his anti-Russia rhetoric. Finally when he cracked down on protestors he realised his roots. Now Western media lies that Luka has always been chums with Putin, when actually he has been siphoning away Russian subsidies while trying to take advantage of sanctions imposed on Russia. He would sell refined petroleum and potash after getting cheap crude and gas from Russia at domestic Russian prices. He would also try to label European food stuff as Produced in Belarus and sell to Russia.
@christophergeorge8885
@christophergeorge8885 2 жыл бұрын
soon, we will hear a speech blaming MK Gandhi and Pandit Nehru for not getting India's freedom before 1947.
@waityear3294
@waityear3294 2 жыл бұрын
wow, as an Indian , I never knew this piece of history. Now I feel like I am uneducated after double masters degrees :-(
@RakeshSharma-nt9wh
@RakeshSharma-nt9wh 2 жыл бұрын
NATO was established in April 1949. It was almost dormant until 1951. What were we doing from 1947 to 1951 ? What about Portuguese atrocities on Satyagrahis ?
@RameshMatham0507
@RameshMatham0507 2 жыл бұрын
Good point
@sudhirnair
@sudhirnair 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing history, which few people are aware of💜
@ud1976
@ud1976 2 жыл бұрын
Under Shahu (Shivaji Maharaj’s grandson) and Bajirao, Chimajiappa (Bajirao’s brother) pushed the Portuguese out of Mumbai (then Salsette island) at great cost and loss of life. Goa had to wait another 200 odd years.
@dhritimansawarni71
@dhritimansawarni71 2 жыл бұрын
Such an interesting article, shekhar sir
@sreerampillai1339
@sreerampillai1339 2 жыл бұрын
My dose of reality through revisiting history!!...Thanks Shekar Ji
@aseemrises
@aseemrises 2 жыл бұрын
Well researched and presented information with facts.
@atulchalbaaz
@atulchalbaaz 2 жыл бұрын
मोदी जी should talk about issues related to now and not something that had happened 70 years back
@devikhedkar
@devikhedkar 2 жыл бұрын
We have bright history do u think forgetting history is blind folding and cheating
@benukakati9915
@benukakati9915 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this valuable Information.
@venancecrasta2064
@venancecrasta2064 2 жыл бұрын
Many are blaming Nehru. But we should know the foreign policy of first few years of Independence. One more thing, the communication is not like today. How many days were required to reach one letter from foreign countries. Yes, the process took so long for so many reasons. Now, it is very easy to blame earlier Leaders. Don't blame earlier Leadrs without knowing the situation of that time....
@rahulhari3261
@rahulhari3261 2 жыл бұрын
Pondicherry, Dadra, Nagar Haveli, Diu were liberated much earlier in the 1954. Nehru pandered to the leftist lobby and refused to integrate and liberate goa
@lalit74u
@lalit74u 2 жыл бұрын
Dear SG, during those turbulent times itself, pakistan attacked balochistan, pakistan attacked kashmir, pakistan aspired for hyderabad and junagarh. Did any force stop pakistan to do that ? Nehru was an undeserving person on PM post and he was hopelessly appeasing everyone to get some international recognition, but each time he was ultimately forced to do what he was supposed to do very long ago.
@anandverma2970
@anandverma2970 2 жыл бұрын
Modi is a pigmy before him.
@dalwanir
@dalwanir 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent episode Shekhar. Thank you. This is true cut the clutter!! Loved it.
@shyamraa
@shyamraa 2 жыл бұрын
Liberate Kailash Plateau ✊
@RajeshSingh-md2jf
@RajeshSingh-md2jf 2 жыл бұрын
Oheraldo was a English newspaper not Portuguese is what wikipedia claims but from pictures it looks portuguese. Please clarify
@d0veta1l0
@d0veta1l0 2 жыл бұрын
this was insightful.
@Vizorfam
@Vizorfam 2 жыл бұрын
People of Goa should choose aap if they want any development in their state
@Ravikaushalrai_3
@Ravikaushalrai_3 2 жыл бұрын
BSDK IT CELL
@Vizorfam
@Vizorfam 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ravikaushalrai_3 sanghi shoo
@dattatreyajana9215
@dattatreyajana9215 2 жыл бұрын
Aur kaam nahi kya tujhe zindagi mein?
@lylerodericks
@lylerodericks 2 жыл бұрын
Lovely coverage but a bit abrupt ending 😅
@VinodKumar-kv9jt
@VinodKumar-kv9jt 2 жыл бұрын
Long live Sekharji to tell new new old stories ....👍👍👍
@form7678
@form7678 Жыл бұрын
As a Goan , I still believe the Portuguese did a lot of good for Goa and these are clearly visible all over Goa .Goa is India's richest state per capita and look at what successive governments have done to Goa.
@TGill22
@TGill22 2 жыл бұрын
Salazar name is also imprinted on the memory of young Indians Captain Salazar
@RRR-nz8pi
@RRR-nz8pi 2 жыл бұрын
Shekhar not only Salazar but FRANCO also survived after WW2
@rahuljaiswa
@rahuljaiswa 2 жыл бұрын
China waited 99 years for hong kong
@harshb747
@harshb747 2 жыл бұрын
And taiwan
@MohammadAliAhasan
@MohammadAliAhasan 2 жыл бұрын
1947 India was new. Western colonial power will not allow India to become so powerful. Nehru taking time 1 war at a time. putting war in China, Pakistan, Portugal like Modi's wish. India will be divided 3/4 times by Western power to make sure India not became future threat
@Medleri
@Medleri 2 жыл бұрын
If the Chinese in Hong Kong were treated as badly as the native Goans were under Portuguese rule, China wouldn't have waited so long. Just like they took over Xinjiang and Tibet within a few years of establishing the new PRC.
@badbad-cat
@badbad-cat 2 жыл бұрын
@@Medleri be realistic. find out when did UK leave Hongkong. do you think UK ran away from India tucking their tail between legs? They left because they decided to, because of the WW2. If they stayed, they'll stay
@Medleri
@Medleri 2 жыл бұрын
@@badbad-cat sorry didn't understand your comment. I am only talking about China invading Xinjiang and Tibet. Not sure what UK has got to do with that.
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