Modular vs Pushrod, whats the best? *My take*

I see the arguments all day long about what is better; modular or pushrod engines! Here's my take!
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[@ronron1466]

As long as it's a Ford performance and not ls swapped I'm all for it,no point in arguing

[@FoxcastMedia]

Agreed 100%

[@andrewwihlon7419]

Couldn't agree with your statement more.

[@nofive.okevin9846]

you're right there is no sense in arguing cuz when you argue with an idiot they take you down to their level and beat you with experience. I taken all information I can find and base my decisions on facts.

[@TheBb6prelude]

ronron1466 yup.. LS junk. Ford ftw.

[@juanramirezgonzalez2213]

Ford never needed a bail out

[@Laviathan50]

Both have there pros and cons just like turbos and blowers. Imo The Coyote/mod motor is like a turbo... More efficient but its overall more expensive, requires more space and requires more fab on a swap. The pushrod is like a blower... less efficient, but a bit less expensive, and it's smaller packaging makes it easier to install. Regardless which you favor the most important thing is to keep Ford motors in Ford chassis

[@tomkjr1]

I've been around awhile and owned 6 mustangs over the years, some pushrod 5.0s, and some modular 4.6 (2v & 4v). I enjoyed both engine types and each has their ups & downs. It was pretty much a toss up for me until I experienced my first Terminator Cobra. Nothing sounds quite like a Terminator and it quickly became my dream car. Now I have owned 2 of these monsters and I'm totally hooked on that whining, blown 4v dohc beast of an engine which can be made to produce incredible amounts of horsepower with bolt on mods. You can even get upwards of 800,900, even 1000whp without touching or hurting the bottom end of the factory engine! For those who are addicted to raw acceleration and seat pinning torque, a ride in an 03/04 Terminator Cobra is very intoxicating. Any die hard Ford enthusiast should experience a ride in one of these beasties at least once in his/her gearhead life!

[@2RCPRODUCTIONS]

Great take on it, I've had both and love both. Although a coyote is a fantastic powerplant I think that if everybody puts a coyote in every year mustang that some of the history is lost. I like seeing a fox with a pushrod 5.0 or my Bullitt for instance retaining it's 4.6. These past engines paved the way for engines like the coyote or Terminator 4.6. you can't have a future without a past. Just my .02, Thumbs up #80 on the vid👍

[@52SCHUELKE]

Ive been a pushrod guy my whole life. Ive done them carbed, and EFI in many different ways and loved it. I know nothing about mod motors. Two months ago I sold my built up Windsor 427 SBF out my Fox and bought a Coyote. Its a whole new world and Im enjoying learning about this new (to me) technology. Keep up the great page!

[@fish_R_stinky69]

Pushrods are old technology with a redline of 4000. DOHC is advanced and makes a lot more power.

[@michaelharwood3857]

@@fish_R_stinky69 my pushrod revs to 7300.

[@fish_R_stinky69]

@@michaelharwood3857 😶

[@fish_R_stinky69]

@@michaelharwood3857 You must have a racing cam in it.

[@michaelharwood3857]

@@fish_R_stinky69 all im saying is iv made much much more power with a pushrod motor than i ever have with a modular motor, and for much less money.

[@gregv8570]

Well put near the end there. There's no point in arguing as long as it's what you want and not a GM product

[@johnrau2873]

I do like the push rod engine But the 4.6 DOHC modular engines are growing on me faster

[@robd1859]

The 4.6 281 ci mustang gt was a pushrod engine. With Flowmaster 40 series and H pipe . It sounded just like a fox body. And you can put a lumpy cam in a pushrod . But a modular sounds like dog shit. And the lumpy cam is not going to give it a chop.. I hate the sound of a modular

[@johnrau2873]

There are no 4.6 push rod engine 5.0 5.8 7.5 are

[@edwardharcum3297]

Cool video I’m 65 been a mustang man since 1964 favorite car 69 428 Cj Stang. My son 45 yrs old has a sweet 17 get we have plenty of conversations about push rod vs ohc all the time I guess at the end of the day you summed it up. I have a 85 notch with a hot push rod and love it.

[@jaylongton]

The automotive world is like a work of art. I personally love Foxbodies with the old school 302 but can certainly enjoy the customized version. Hey, if someone else is paying for it and that's their personal liking, I think as decent human beings and car guys we should respect it and enjoy other pieces of automotive art. Thanks for another great Foxcast video, you always keep it interesting!

[@FoxcastMedia]

Thanks brother, very much appreciate the support

[@OuzoLouGarage]

Put an modular or push rod in the mustang as long that it's Ford. Build what make you happy. Really enjoy your VIDEOS.

[@KlipschHead281]

Agreed 100%, I love both! My 1985 Mustang GT with a 306, GT40 heads, E303, headers and a 650dbl pumper went 12.8@109 with 3.08 gears and street tires, friggin loved that car. Granted my bone stock 2018 GT with the A10 went 12.1@116 but I love both cars equally for the same reason, they were both a blast to drive!

[@jimmines1342]

The all determining end to this argument is the Ford 427 FE inblock cam versus the Ford 427 SOHC, 425 hp factory versus 615 hp factory on the exact same displacement.

[@lewishamse6]

I'll just add.. as long as it's a Ford :-)

[@GA08GT478]

ROS1 💯

[@FoxcastMedia]

100%

[@jamisgood21]

@@FoxcastMedia YUPPP!!!!

[@petrolhead8851]

Hell yeah!!! Fuck that ls swap bullshit

[@thefoxdoctor1072]

My favorite is the Pushrod motor..

[@alstound]

At the back of my head, the LS is always gonna be the best pushrod V8. I mean, obviously the Windsor stopped being developed the moment the Mustang switched to (D)OHC motors. The “5.0” didn’t rev past 5500 rpm, while today’s Camaro can already get a bit past 6500. But then again, the Coyote gets to 7000 in its sleep.

[@fish_R_stinky69]

Why don't they just make 4 valve pushrods?

[@bla9ckcob5ra]

The only problem I'm starting to run into is this.... *Tuning* Build a older 5.0 with or without a power adder with the supporting mods and most shops won't touch it. I had this issue first hand and that's almost making me want to build Something Coyote Base the next time around just so tuning will be available.

[@wood4278]

That's so true...I had that same problem a local guy here in Michigan "Lidio" was a Mustang pushrod GURU but as his shop became successful he's now an arrogant asshole...Shout out to the shops in Chicago they still take care of ALL muscle car guys

[@1969pony]

My mantra is and always will be "You Do You" If your building your car to the expectations of others you are cheating yourself.

[@jayjack9601]

Ford Power

[@FoxcastMedia]

100%

[@5.0world3]

Dude u said it best!!! Have the best of both worlds if that’s what u want!!! That’s what I did and I look forward to seeing you soon at one of the events man.

[@FoxcastMedia]

Tim Pritchett Thanks brutha, I appreciate the support!

[@tonyperkis9561]

This may be rare. But Chevy and ford both for me. I can respect a great car no matter brand. But I will say the cobra terminator is my favorite sounding Engline.

[@DIYStangsandFreedom]

Totally agree. IMO I've always thought that the 4.6 sohc and dohc straight pipe have such a unique sound that no other 5.0 can get. I really believe the 4.6 sounds better than most engines nowadays.

[@elyoj6845]

Yeah, a Cobranator sound is Iconic.

[@genekelly8467]

I see a bright future for pushrod engines-in addition to being simpler, they are not plagued by broken chains or belts. Replacing the chains on a DOHC engine can be up to 4000$ on some cars.In addition, variable valve timing is easier of implement on a pushrod valve system. finally, as we move to CVTs, who needs an engine to rev above 4500 RPM? most engines produce maximum power below this, so revving to 7000 RPM is not needed.

[@darylcollins2972]

Pushrods are easier and a more simple design, I’m not a Chevy Ford or Mopar nut hugger, own a mustang 4.6, Dodge Ram hemi and a WS6 Trans Am.

[@lordhumungous7908]

In Australia, we didn't get modular motors until 2002 and we got iron block 5.4L 3V's & 4V's. They're too big to fit in earlier Aussie Fords so there's still more love for Clevelands. OHC is always better than pushrods but my favourite engines are pushrod.

[@robwaters2065]

Great point !!!!! We're all under the same umbrella ( FORD POWER )

[@ejsvt2956]

The best? FORD! My pushrod small block is all ford except for rockers and lifters and has over 400 hp at the crank n/a. and runs high 11's. Love eating corvettes!

[@darylcollins2972]

Eric Jones what corvette are you beating with 400 hp? The old LT1? Your numbers don’t really add up. 400 to the crank equals 340 ish to the wheels. That’s stock LS1 numbers homie. Although that is a pretty cool sounding set up

[@Artificial_Dopamine]

@@darylcollins2972 ikr?? You could get a $600 junkyard 5.3 truck motor put a simple cam and heads on it wan walk that damn mustang hes talking about 🤣🤣

[@robert23497]

Push rods make WAY more power at lower rpms. This is excellent for the street. Modular doesn't make good torque until high in the rev range which makes it almost unimportant because horsepower is starting to take over by then anyway. Does anybody on here own a modular motor that is naturally aspirated and makes over 500 horsepower at the crank? Probably not. They pretty much have to have either a blower, turbo, or a HUGE amount of money spent to break 500 horses(not including the voodoo motor from the gt350). Meanwhile, 500 horse naturally aspirated windsors are very common. Kasse racing sells a set of heads for the windsor that will make 600 lb/feet and 750 horse naturally aspirated with hydraulic cam and 427 cubic inches. It's a killer with no worries of overheating because of blowers or turbos and also......none of the complexity or expense. I also find it quite ironic that Ford named the modular motors "modular". They aren't modular at all. Almost nothing from the coyote will transfer over to the 4.6 or 5.4 or 5.8 or any other "modular" Ford engine. Reliability is better on pushrod motors. Modular motors have a higher center of gravity than pushrods too. This makes the pushrod better for anyone who wants their car to handle as good as possible. The two downsides to the pushrod are: they can't rev as high as modular and they have a weak block. The block weakness issue can easily be overcome with a block from Ford, Dart, or Bill Mitchell. The rpm issue can easily be overcome with.......torque. Just my opinion. If you like the modular motor better, that's fine too. Build what you like.

[@Sick_ridz]

Are you serious? A gen 3 coyote will make 500 to the crank with simple bolt ons. The coyote is soooo dialed back for the factory to get around that gas tax

[@midnight347]

The mod motors are 4.6 5.4 and 5.8. The coyote is based off the modular but the coyote based stuff is a different engine family. You talk about low end torque you must not have experienced a 5.4 or 5.8 those engines have really good low end torque with their long stroke. The 4.6 2v even has good torque I seen Richard holdner test one against an old 5.0 ho and they had the same power it and the early non pi 2v but the 2v had like 20 more torque despite smaller displacement which is quite ironic considering what all the pushrod guys always say.

[@AGBULLIT]

Great video! Thanks for the encouragement. I am constantly trying to improve my 2007 Mustang GT.

[@davidcrowe9531]

The way I look at it Is Modular motors more moving components cost more money. Pushrod engines not as many components doesn’t cost as much but depends on if you go from mild to wild.

[@robd1859]

That black fox body is Nice but the only thing I don't like is that it sounds too stock. It needs oversize cam. I love the sound of an engine that's been blue printed and has an oversized cam

[@G.Harley.Davidson]

What is the largest engine the stock foxbody frame can handle ?

[@petrolhead8851]

Funny because my brother bought a 95 gts that he built back in 2015 and later next year I bought a 96 cobra that I’m slowly building! Love both cars! They handle different but good !!!

[@Foxbody_dreams]

Came here to get your opinion I’m debating either coyote swap or 363 , hard choice

[@jayjack9601]

I like it....great point. You can do the same with either one! 👍🏾

[@Soundsofthewood]

Well since I owned both and wrenched on both. Ford modular. Great out of the box for reliability and somewhat performance. The 4v's are superior to the whole line up. But limited on engine size and expensive to build. Not hard to work on, just intimating at first. I did some work on my 5.4 3v and the parts were super expensive and the power outcome wasn't that great. Recommend forced induction as the first step go to for performance. These engines love boost. The SBF. Great aftermarket. You won't find any issues when trying to find performance parts for these. The price for performance parts is very cheap (pretty on par with chevy now). 221-427 in engine size. Can handle alot of power depending on what block you choose. Build two 302's and one 351w. One 302 had 300hp and the other was about 240ish, this was for a couple of trucks that were set for offroad. The 351w I never got to start or use. I sold it after I finished it to the point the new owner could just break it in. He was going to put it in a CJ5. Currently building a 408 clevor. 4.030 bore, 4in stroke, Cleveland 2v heads, trying to see if I can get a custom cam made to run the coyote/flathead/y-block firing order and need it complete speced out for this engine. Aiming for atleast 500hp. So I perfer the SBF over the modular, but I still think the modular is a good engine.

[@jasonbyassee7541]

Speaking of 2.3 turbos, have y’all worked on a SVO yet?

[@michaelpincavitch5245]

For longivity a pushrod engine has less parts to fail !

[@samg196942]

Agree 100% as long it’s Ford powered it doesn’t matter. Have you done any big block swaps?

[@i_________________________4994]

Depending on the mechanical and technical skills thats my opinion. I love pushrods engine very user friendly and easy to diagnose. I just got a 97 cobra motor and want to excel my skills on modular motors so I can diagnose them. I’m looking into the future but I always will have a push rod motor. I would tell you for the young ones learn the push rod then start learning the modulars because that the future of ford but who knows they might go push rod again.

[@paulgordo7505]

Also agree, original owner 03 cobra, have a few fox bodies, picked up a 92 White gt with black interior auto about a year ago, 60K miles, super clean, live in CA so mods will be limited! Did add mm full length sub frames!

[@andrewjacobson556]

If it's a blue oval that's all that matters, I'm currently moding my 11 town car exhaust is done ah few more goodies and it will be all set im cool with the 4.6 2v....

[@stevencoyote746]

I know this is a older video but here we go I love old school motors the torque and sound omg gives me goosebumps I wish my coyote would sound like this.i had a choice to make when I was in the market for a daily driver I was looking for a reliable car to race and drive I had about 30k to throw at it I pick a 2015 mustang for the reliability to have 1000hp and still drive it to McDonald's so I slapped twin turbo on her and alot more stuff with car and mods I'm in the hole for 60k when I could have gotten a 05 and a 427w swap for about 28k but to me the 15 is better for what I wanted and can still drive it every day but I still want to build a 05 with a 427w so bad........

[@joebeez1287]

Exactly. If you are a true gearhead, you can appreciate any sweet build.

[@andrei1971]

Good advice. I like both engines. I've grown up with GM F-body cars and always dreamed of upgrading to an aluminum LS engine. I've always been a Chevrolet/Pontiac fan. But that didn't stop me from buying a Ford Mustang GT. I've been cruising around town with the top down and reving that modular engine high. I've had a lot of fun with both my modular New Edge Mustang GT and my push rod 3rd gen '91 Trans Am.

[@phoenix20401]

a pushrod V8 is still prefectly capable of kicking arse, especially on the track, but i do like the higher revving capabilities of the modular. so i do have to agree with the guy who made this video, its your call, that said, if i do build a track car, im not going for a V8, im gonna use a straight 6

[@OEMPlus]

time marches on. flat heads are cool but heads with valves in them are objectively better. pushrods are cool but engines with more sophisticated valve trains are objectively better. its progress. old motors are still cool but i've never heard of a 4.6 or coyote cracking in half.

[@Multi68stang]

Yep, the reason I ended up doing a Modular swap in my Fox is because the power levels I am looking for will push my old 5.0 to its breaking point.

[@johnathanleonardo912]

People act Chevy are the only ones that have pushrod. When Ford came out with the 7.3 Godzilla, now making a Megazilla crate then make a debate who has a better pushrod

[@dangerousfreedom4965]

Where did the Florida guy get the car built at?

[@6spd85notch]

Excellent topic

[@robertelmo7736]

Anyone know you can bolt LS1 heads directly onto a 302 Ford block? Hmmm...

[@FoxcastMedia]

Chevy copied greatness

[@robertelmo7736]

Know who designed the LS1 head? Some guy named Robert Yates lol... Go look it up.

[@Swankyestbrute]

I agree with the build it the way yyou want 100% im a gm guy, i think the biggest problem with people is they are always trying to push more power when if you want to go fast power to weight is always what matters.

[@JoseGonzalez-nc2tw]

The pushrod is mean lightning them up rolling yet sounds at ease at idle and termi swap is just a baddass keep it up foxcast

[@lawnmowermanlawnmowerman9930]

Both are great as long as it's Ford power,it can't be all bad. I was working at a Ford dealership when the 4.6 was launched and we were all impressed with how a 281 cubic inch v8 could move a big ole Lincoln Town Car that well. I've actually got both,I've got an F150 Supercrew with a 4.6 and I've got an Explorer with a 4.0 both are great engines. My F150 has converted my son from a devote Ram lover to a Ford lover. He now sees after driving my F150 for the past couple of months why his old man is so stuck on Ford vehicles. and he wants an F150 bad now.

[@jaygoodwin5809]

What about the 427 cammer engine that was back in the 60s over head cams has been around for a while from ford

[@mihaeltomasovic]

I actually have _always_ adored the Foxbody Mustangs - I honestly liked the Notches (Didn't know what they were called until I got more into them as I got older, I just knew them as LX's with a trunk lol) more than the other models up until the 1993 Cobra SVT. I would love to have one of those with the SN-95 engines or I simply adore the idea of taking some of the 4 cylinder "grocery getters" and swapping in some Ford modular goodness :) I had commented on another video that I would never want to buy a Foxbody with a 302 and then swap in a modular engine *if* I could find a four cylinder to do so with simply because there are plenty of folks (including myself) who simply *adore* the old 302 carbed and EFI 5.0L Mustangs! I mean... They are simply amazing. The other Mustang I really loved was the 2003/2004 Cobra SVT with the Terminator engine that pushed out something like 390hp and that was probably being conservative because damn that supercharger whines like nobodies business :D Anyhow, sorry for such a long post, I just love cars and especially Mustangs (even though I might be considered a devil in disguise as I also love Third Gen Camaros and Firebirds as well as G Bodies ;) :D)

[@Robs347YSI]

I'm liking the YSI Fox !!

[@jeremywilliams9750]

I'm with you as long as it's ford and makes power I'm good

[@vendediesel]

The technology in the modular engine including the coyote is not comparable. It's the fundamentals. The bore to stroke ratio, combustion chamber design, spark plug location, valve spring stiffness, valve location and design, camshaft base circle, friction coefficients etc all superior to the pushrod engine.

[@thesixgunfighter288]

I don't have a Fox or Coyote. I have a "poor man's mustang", a Panther😂

[@TerryByrdJr]

Me too and I love it 😂

[@thesixgunfighter288]

@@TerryByrdJr Ironically, I don't have a panther anymore, and now have a Coyote F-150

[@urielpaz8023]

Dude I have a 1996 f150 with a 302 feels gutless and best mpg is 12mpg. Thinking of getting a 4 6 2v PI top end and none PI bottom not looking to make a race truck just looking for 250 HP and better mog what do you think 🤔

[@grinder374]

I've worked on push rod and Modular. For me Modular is much easier than push rods to work on. Set your chains and go! No fucking with all the push rods. Also prefer injection over carb. Much easier to tune in injection. Get correct size injectors and fuel system push some buttons on the tuner done. Fucking with jetting and crap on a carb?!?!?!? Just what I'm familiar with. Not knocking push rod carb stuff. Just what I prefer.

[@Sick_ridz]

But can push rods run 10s and still get 25mpgs on the hwy is the question you should be asking

[@PASTRACING]

Great vid. I like them all!

[@JC-gw3yo]

You are right... 2.3 turbo, Windsor , Coyote or any Boss... They are all killer engines..

[@sorshiaemms5959]

351 to me are the best way to go for cost and displacement no replacement for displacement

[@martinn9485]

Ima shit on those modular motors with my pushrod, just need to make mine more like 50tussin

[@swanyvill]

I love mod motors but too many weak points. gone through too Many engine rebuilds. I'm leaning on going old school next.

[@midnight347]

Mod motors blocks are much stronger than the 302 ho. All they need is forged bottom end and 1000+ hp capability can be had from any mod motor blocks. What weak points are you talking about the rods?

[@chrishoule81]

Thats a nasty termi swapped notch...

[@stevenlawrence1946]

I totally agree with this video!!! I have a fox with a ROUSH 342R SB and I have a 97 with a 4.6L modular motor. I also have a spare 4.6L bored .60 over so it's close to a 5.1ish! I love both cars!!! Flat out. If I could afford a better motor for my fox, I would do a CobraJet setup!!!! lol. But I have two kids, a wife, and a mortgage, etc. I think it's called life. Sorry, got off the subject. :-( The moral is, "freaking do you". And to all of you opinionated haters, stop it.

[@kirbyvanduzer6565]

Caleb I'm a Ford man too and I agree both types of engine's are good there's things about both I like I love high revving engines a lot that's why I really like modular motors but I like pushrod engines because they are a little more simpler and produce great power there's good things about both that I like so I'm with ya man and I did subscribe too I'm eventually building me a supercharged Triton v10 swapped fox body and it's gonna be a monster 1800 to 2,000 hp but I'm tempted to put 2800 hp in it and its gonna be street legal how about that for a monster and itll have the magniride suspension on it so itll be road course ready I'll be terrorizing supercars with it this is my first time watching this channel and I'm already impressed and just to tick off the hellcat people I'm naming the mustang the hellfox itll be a big project and I cant wait to start building it just talking about it makes me drool Ford rules

[@evanlove3015]

When u say modular are u talking about an overhead cam cause I’m not the smartest when it comes to anything about engines but if you are talking about a overhead cam then wouldn’t it make way more horses no matter what ESPECIALLY if it is a dual overhead cam considering you could fit like 5 valves on it 3 intake 2 exhaust idk I just see so many comments about pushrods being better in performance but I would disagree heavily but in my opinion I also like pushrod engines way better just easy but I don’t really get why anyone that wants to race wouldn’t want a ohc for Roma and horses in general shit most of the really iconic street racing cars are all ohc and are just insanely fast with few upgrades

[@TheAbrahamsoto01]

Pushrods are CHEAPER, LOW End Torque and in general more reliable for racing apps. Modular are more efficient, rev up more and are more Expensive to work on, but do the job, and are a little more heavier. For me Push Rods are simpler and cheaper, do the Job and are easier. Also I like the sound of PushRods more. They sound more Oldschool. At the end none is better than the other, they are just two diferent methods of doing the same thing depending on the application the manufacturer want with it.

[@grantbaker2037]

I got both and I can drive my push rod motor a 100mph all day the mod motor I don't trust to many things can break sooner, can build pushrod motor for 3rd the price.thanks my opinion

[@coyoteslugger3936]

My small block push rod would be 363 stroker big bore but, like you any ford v8 works for me.

[@donvirgo]

I'm looking to build my first engine from scratch to put into a Daytona 65 kit car. I've got tons of engineering skills, but limited car experience and budget's not an issue. Would it be a better idea to start with a pushrod, or modular for my first engine build?

[@petrolhead8851]

Either one! But I personally do think a pushrod is a lot more simple to learn with, the modular isn’t that much more complicated but it does have a bit more parts!

[@jaimerod6037]

doesn't matter until some genius comes and does a LS swap

[@joshuachilders129]

I love ford but please can someone tell me why they use ohc engines in everything production? Only reason I ask is bc nascar, monster jam, etc. Use pushrod engines.

[@JohnJohnson-sr6zt]

Prefer a 427 SCJ , try finding 1. Cool video.

[@nunyabuizness2953]

Dart block 363 stroker. Check and mate.

[@thelastminuteman7513]

Exactly

[@joel5.0godin96]

Unfortunately to run 11s takes more than just an engine you're talking clutch you're talking suspension work you're talking lightning it it ain't just a full on streetcar running 149s yesterday and throw a 306 in and running 11s tomorrow

[@AADmrstangerbanger]

Pushrod makes torq. There is nothing like a pushrod motor out of the hole.. #363 stroker with blower or turbo for the win..

[@rickeydriskill1096]

I own both and buying a mod was a mistake. Love find a conversion kit to swap a from a mod back to a push rod.

[@fish_R_stinky69]

Why??? A pushrod has a redline of 4k and a modular can rev to 7k or even 8k!!!

[@rickeydriskill1096]

@@fish_R_stinky69 4k. You must be on something

[@fish_R_stinky69]

@@rickeydriskill1096 I have a 2004 Tahoe because I cannot afford a real DOHC powerful truck. My stupid pushrod barely makes it past 3500. My Nissan Versa DOHC makes more power than a huge V8 so shameful.

[@chrislowe8085]

Numbers matching car is worth more too a pure Mustang guy than swap this swap that. So bore that numbers matching block out turn it into a stocker add the boost show the the whp.....

[@coyotecoupe9245]

Well said! Whatever blows out your birthday candles!

[@thracian2072]

I hated Fox bodies back in the 80s and still hate them. Ugliest Mustangs ever. S197 all the way, but the 4.6 3V engine is an underpowered dog.

[@scrappyclappedoutfoxbody4174]

I’ll take a 363 over a coyote any day. But I’d like to have a coyote n/a with g101 behind it

[@robertobetancourt7881]

Push rods is so easy . To work n with the money you build a modular , you build two . Push rods . Because . For example , 4.6 L . Two cams 5.0 L push rods one cam .

[@midnight347]

People always use the cams as an example of why mod motors cost more to build but that's literally the only thing that is significantly more expensive vs a 302. In fact the mod is cheaper to make big power with because you can do it with a stock block and forged internals with the 302 you also need a dart block or the like as well. People always use cams as an example of why mod motors are more expensive but that's literally the only thing that coats more I find it funny the money you save being able to use a stock block more than makes up for the extra money cams cost ya

[@jaybaptiste6755]

No in between round maintenance (No Valve lashing) on a Mod...........The Fastest Ford ever is a Modular motor MMR Racing.

[@johntrott1872]

351c in my 1990 convert its all good

[@cemsengul16]

Chevrolet is still using their 90's pushrod architecture. Ford had to adapt and evolve for the better.

[@robertrosetta908]

I'm torn between the two but I'm looking into the electric motors just from the aspect of the electric carts and the torque and power they have is mind blowing laterally loaded to the tilt we stomped on the pedal and it left the over sized load right the suspended in the air and it exploded from a dead stop squealing tires and getting us in trouble but oh well we got to understand more about the power and torque that is available in a electric motor with no emissions or gasoline to worry about so for the sake of the of our children and planet I'm personally looking to this technology for the fun and safety for all !!! ,,,,

[@SonnyShade]

Ford... First on raceday!!!

[@stratosgrammatas8351]

Ford power no matter what

[@jdigitalseven7]

Those foxbodies are soooo ugly. Look like a blown out Escort.

[@chetmarcotti1124]

I’m sorry, but there is just too much conversation, and not enough “let’s get down to the work, and nuts and bolts”. If this is a conversation only Joe show, it’s not for me.

[@wood4278]

FORD POWER!!! "I BLEED BLUE" Pushrod ALL DAY..."WINDSOR"

[@deannahrutkay9645]

WHO IS PLAYING THAT BAD ASS METAL IN THE BACKGROUND

[@LostCauseRT]

What's the song?

[@MARZOSIRUS]

I myself have an 08 crown vic PI. It has a 4.6 modular. I've got it around 300hp to the wheels. Super reliable car with tons of replacement parts if needed. My Dad drove Ford most of my childhood. However if I found a good deal on an ls engine I would certainly get it. I like how Ford decided to go ohc rather then ohv. I personally believe ohc n dohc engines are better for boost. Which is what I like. If you want massive low end torque then big block N/A pushrod is probably your most economical choice. Not necessarily the most efficient or reliable.

[@sinisbuilt]

Exactly! Well said! Too many of these Fox guys on the "internet" lately act like a bunch of little girls on the rag.

[@stevewelborn8744]

Your a smart man.