MOMENT VS SANDMARC 58MM 2X TELE LENS BATTLE

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

Check out my video on Moment's 1.33x Anamorphic lens: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWPGdoSHfNOVqKc

[@ChristopherMarshburn]

The nice thing about the Sandmarc metal lens mount is it provides extra protection for your phone’s built in lenses.

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

Definitely!

[@maxkitaev3524]

Screw on is worse than bayonet because the lens doesn’t sit perfectly into thread right away and you try few times before it happens

[@theoldgitwatgames4640]

Nice comparison, Love moment lenses, but having had issues with the cases and the bayonet mount being plastic I'll take a 17mm screwthread any day of the week now.

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

Thanks! Yeah I do wish the moment lens had the same mounting system just for peace of mind.

[@laba5008]

Yup moment just being cheap

[@lenavoyles526]

Sandmarc is just amazing build quality. Absolutely no issues. Every bit as good a lens, no headaches, for way less money. Sandmarc is simply a superior design.

[@acwatercolors]

Excellent comparison, thanks man! I think the Moment seems better, tend to prefer the bokeh and sharpness and color rendering

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

Appreciate it. I am in the same boat. Not a huge amount in it but the Moment 58mm edged it for me.

[@acwatercolors]

Thanks for your feedback @@SmartphoneFilmmaker !

[@lenavoyles526]

Try them out yourself in real life and I think you’ll find that the Sandmarc gives you everything you hoped the Moment would. I’ve seen numerous KZbin videos “demonstrating” the “clear superiority” of the Moment lens only to find that my Sandmarc lens delivers everything the Moment was claimed to. The real difference between Moment and Sandmarc? Affiliate program versus no affiliate program.

[@illustratedWORD]

I bought the 58mm Moment lens to use with the iPhone 14Pro, primarily on the main (48mp) lens. I read that there were issues with the Moment 58mm lens not fully compatible with the larger sensor of the iPhone 14pro. I did my own tests and discovered that while the image is very sharp in the center, it quickly deteriorates toward the sides (ghosting, etc.). Very obvious. I assume(?) this is because the Moment 58mm lens was not originally designed for the new larger sensor on the main lens. I also tested the Moment 58mm lens on the iPhone 14Pro's telephoto lens and I didn't see any obvious ghosting, I'm guessing because it uses a smaller sensor. The lens is solid built with great optics, but.... I'm really disappointed in this lens as I bought it to use on the larger sensor lens, not over the telephoto lens. Moment's statement that it's compatible with the iPhone14Pro is only partially accurate. Moment needs to update this lens for the larger camera sensors, similar to what Beastgrip did with their new 1.7x tele lens. Thanks for your review and comments.

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

Ah this is very interesting to read. Thanks for feeding this back. Perhaps Moment somewhat hid a couple of issues people may come across then with the iphone 14 pro max as the video seemed pretty solid. I would love to get my hands on the Beastgrip 1.7x lens for sure. Thanks for watching!

[@americansafarico]

@@SmartphoneFilmmaker Which iPhone did you shoot this 58mm comparison on? I'm looking for a lens system and, having read about the issues with softness/vignetting on the Moment lenses am wondering if Sandmarc plays better with the iPhone 14pros and their larger sensor....

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

@@americansafarico I used the iphone 12. Both work excellent on that iphone but i have heard of a few people now having some issues with the Moment 58mm on the iphone 14 models.

[@americansafarico]

@@SmartphoneFilmmaker thanks for letting me know. I’ve got an email out to Sandmarc to see which of their lenses are working well with the 14 pro. We’ll see what they come back with

[@americansafarico]

Following up here. Sandmarc confirmed that their 58mm and their 1.33x anamorphic work great with the iPhone 14 pro. Of course, Moment say the same. But based on reviews by JCKRGB, Moment lenses have serious issues with the new sensor on the 14 pro that the Sandmarc's don't suffer from. He speculates that it's because of the wider opening on the backside of the lenses with the 17mm mount. I've got both the tele and the anamorphic on order from Sandmarc. They're redesigning their 1.55x for the 14 pro, which is also encouraging.

[@maxkitaev3524]

I have 3 sandmarc lenses. The tele lens has a filter thread vs moment. The moment’s attachment feels better because sandmarc’s screw on doesn’t always fit perfectly so I may try few times before it sits

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

The sandmarc's built in threads are a big positive but agreed it can be a little fiddly.

[@abeylabeyl]

Can I ask what is the thread size and if I can get third party VND filters with or without step up rings?

[@maxkitaev3524]

@@abeylabeyl 40.5 and I use a step up ring for my 43mm VND

[@Metalgamesolid]

Thank you for this video!! Very great job on explaining and showing the differences.

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

Thanks! New video on the T-Series Moment 58mm tele lens coming very soon. :)

[@Michael-ic2ur]

I have an iPhone 14 Pro and I am split between these 2. Since both company are launching their updated version (T-series from moment and Lens V2 from Sandmarc) and I couldn’t find any proper review yet for these updated ones.😢

[@tamersims]

can u use these lens on a smartpone's periscope camera(15 pro max 5x periscope or s23 ultra 10x periscope camera)?

[@umbertoaguiar]

Thanks for your review . I had the old Moment and old Sandmarc tele lenses. They were not pair with the Beastgrip tele 2.0 and the Shiftcam tele which are both better lenses. I don't know how good is the new Sandmarc. I am sure it's better than the previous one? But how much better? The new 1.7 Beastgrip is better but not much better than the previous 2.0 Anyway, it's good to see the market for iPhone photographic products moving forward despite Apple making sure to make everybody's lives more difficult with their usual irresponsible manufacturing and phones which are a tiny smaller or bigger than the previous one, just enough to force people to buy new cases, new cages etc. I think the game changer will be Freewell with their Sherpa line which they promise to be future proof. I hope they will release a tele lens this year.

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

Ah interesting. I have not heard of shiftcam lenses before so I may have to look into those. Unfortunately I don’t have the previous Sandmarc tele so I can’t answer. This new one is excellent though. Really impressed. Love the look of the Beastgrip tele too. Yeah these new larger sensors/lenses on the iPhones are great but annoying for external lenses. I had actually spoke to freewell but their new line didn’t work with my iPhone 12 it seemed.

[@warren681]

Can we mount Moment lenses on Sandmarc cases and mount Sandmarc lenses on Moment cases? 🤔Thank you.

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

Hey. No. The phone cases use a different connection for there company lenses.

[@warren681]

@@SmartphoneFilmmaker thank you!! 👍

[@KennethBryant86]

The only problem I have with moment is if I’m only getting the tele lens then I go moment but the anamorphic lens doesn’t work well with iPhone 14pro

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

Yeah I have read a lot of people with the iPhone 13/14 models are struggling big time with external lenses.

[@halimrahman]

Is it true that Sandmarc 17mm thread works with Neewer cage (model PA023 or PA024)? And also how close can you can get to the subject?

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

I can’t confirm this unfortunately as I don’t have the NEEWER cage. It should say on their website if it has a 17mm thread for the lens.

[@tegkgiof]

It's a pity that these companies only make cases with lens mounts for the iPhone. It seems to me that photos with these lenses would look very cool on new smartphones with a 1 inch sensor.

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

Yeah it would be awesome to use these on a 1 inch sensor for sure!

[@eggimage]

the problem is with the shipping volumes of those other phones. iphones sell *way* over 100M each year, possibly closer to 200M. in comparison, those existing models with a 1-inch sensor are only selling like tens of thousands a year, even with a higher percentage of users who are photography enthusiasts, the numbers are still far too low. it’s also expensive to develop for each model for accessory makers, targeting smaller demographics would be a financial risk for them. but if the supply chain rumors are true, we should be seeing iphone16’s pro series with a massive upgrade on the main (wide) camera next year. unfortunately this year we’re only getting a minor improvement on the main camera this year, essentially using the same lens that the 14pro had, most improvements are gonna be on the telephoto with a periscope

[@webdesign5342]

You might mention that in the bokeh test the details that are in focus which is typically more important than bokeh itself is way better on the sandmarc at least in these images even though it's a bokeh test it's worth noting.

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

Hey. Very true. I will note that suggestion for future videos. : )

[@ChrisKraus-o2o]

Excellent video, but I'm still torn between the Moment and Sandmarc lenses. I'm not an experienced photographer, but I would like to have a wide and tele lens for my iPhone 13 for an upcoming trip into nature. Based on most reviews, Moment seems to have a slight edge on the quality of the lenses. Sandmarc has a better price package, including a phish lens and covers for travelling. Is there a difference in user-friendliness for beginners between the lenses or required apps?

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

Thanks! There isn't a huge difference really. I personally lean towards Moment as slotting the lenses into the phones case mount is slight quicker and easier. Also they have an 'opened box' section on their website often with lenses that are cheaper. Sandmarc is excellent though if you are looking to save money.

[@anthonylynchmusic]

what iphone did you use in the comparison? Sorry I missed that probably

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

iPhone 12. 👍🏻

[@hinetimes]

Could either of these lens help improve/increase long distance video quality?

[@evzevz06]

Depends how far, sometimes with the lens on its hard to properly focus on an object only 40m away, it definitely reduces your maximum focus range, but sometimes with landscapes as long as your subject is close enough it doesn't matter if the background isnt razor sharp because your subject pops so much. Its hit and miss, I can put it on and think perfect then take it off and get a better picture, other times the lens is the reason the picture looks so good. Though 2x is more like 1.6x digital zoom on your phone and the 3x lenses are more like 2.2x digital zoom, without the quality loss.

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

@@evzevz06 The reply above is pretty much the answer. : )

[@hinetimes]

Could either of these lens help with long distance zoom sports photos and videos?

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

Too an extent but not massively. I would avoid zooming in on any phone as that immediately diminishes the image quality. I would say if someone is pretty far away then it probably won't be much help to be honest.

[@arnauldbordes]

Thank you for this video. And what about the new Beastgrip 1x7 tele lens? Is it the same kind of lens than the one reviewed in your video?

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

You’re welcome. I would love to get my hands on the new Beastgrip lens. It looks great. It’s very similar and made largely to also fit in the new larger iPhone 14 sensors.

[@arnauldbordes]

OK, thank you. Always interesting and informative videos, I like to watch them.

[@laba5008]

Beastgrip is okay. Very heavy. It takes the fun away from shooting on your smartphone. I might as well carry my dale.

[@StinaCreates]

I tried to buy the 58mm moment lens, but sadly the lens never got to me, it was returned to sender twice… I understand shipping issues happen, and I’m not even bothered by the shipping issues. What is sad tho is that moment wouldn’t refund me for the lens until it was tracked as being at their warehouse…. It’s been over a month and they still haven’t refunded me. I had to reach out to my credit card company to dispute the charge :/ :/ :/ I just get a copy and paste reply from moment whenever I email them and ask for my refund.

[@myroslav6873]

If I have Pixel 7 Pro (will probably get 8 or 9 later), and I ordered buy my gf a newest iPhone, there's no point in getting older lens, like 58mm M series by moment, correct? New phones have bigger sensors, and those lens are from 6-8 years ago at this point.

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

Correct. You'll need the T-Series lenses with the newest iphone models.

[@myroslav6873]

@@SmartphoneFilmmaker Thanks a lot!

[@ivyabella0705]

Can moment lens shoot nice photos or vids on low light?

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

Yes but how you use the available light will be the most important thing.

[@ivyabella0705]

Like shooting vids on concert?

[@ivyabella0705]

Does it have a set for iphone 15 pro max?

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

I believe so yes. Do check out their website too.

[@dwightsphotosandart]

Are the Reeflex lenses made by Sandmarc?

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

I am not sure to be honest.

[@zak291]

Great vid rob!!

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

Thanks so much!

[@RvSTuDi0Zz]

Hey bro I have a question which lens you recommend me to buy to record live music videos i have the iPhone 14 pro max and thanks bro for this video 🙏

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

Hey. I have an iphone 12 and slightly lean towards Moment but I have read a positive things about the Sandmarc being used with the iphone 14 series. Depends on your budget too as the Sandmarc lens needs only their case but not a filter adapter unlike Moment.

[@RvSTuDi0Zz]

@@SmartphoneFilmmaker i order today the sandMarc motion variable filter lens hopefully it works for my live music videos 🙏

[@RvSTuDi0Zz]

Do you know any app I can use for that lens to make it look better ?

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

@@RvSTuDi0Zz No app will make a lens look better but definitely use a professional filmmaking app like Cinema P3 Pro Camera or Filmic Pro. Beastcam is a decent and cheap option too.

[@RvSTuDi0Zz]

@@SmartphoneFilmmaker thanks bro I have another question can i use moment app with my sandMarc lenses ? You

[@KennethBryant86]

Moment was great until I got iPhone 14pro now it has that black shading in the corners sand Marc is perfect now

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

Oh that’s interesting to know the sandmarc lens still works well with the 14pro.

[@cuve_ae]

Yup they fixed it with the new T series lenses, but that is bad business to not inform customers are have a factory recall once the reviews came out. I researched many KZbin videos & forums figuring out if the lenses worked with the new 48mp camera and found they didn’t, the average consumer will not do that. Now that I have the iPhone 15 Pro Max I pulled the trigger on the T series lenses it’s been recently posted that the 5x camera does not work so I am only limited to the main camera. Still going through with the order but am bummed about not having full capabilities available.

[@everythingbuthair]

does that apply to their macro lenses too?

[@cuve_ae]

@@everythingbuthairthe T series macro lens does work with the 5x tetraprism camera.

[@mikesrandomchannel]

A really helpful video, thank you!

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

You’re welcome!

[@lucianobernhard6333]

Another lens review video where there are no images available to download. It feels like every reviewer is actually selling a product. We all need to make a living I suppose.

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

Hey. Never had this feedback before. Why would people need images to download?

[@jonag9786]

@@SmartphoneFilmmaker to zoom in and see the details they want to see better than on KZbin

[@VyVyStar]

So Sandmarc is better than Moment, isn't it?

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

I am leaning towards Moment but it is incredibly close. Depends on what kind of mounting system you prefer too for each lens is different.

[@asamxs]

moment looking clear natural.

[@koblongata]

Why everyone except Moment has only iPhone cases, I really need a good lens kit for my Galaxy

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

This is partly why I use iPhones is because sadly android devices are often forgotten with companies.

[@koblongata]

@@SmartphoneFilmmaker Yeah... but man, the 108MP photos and 8K videos are really awesome...

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

@@koblongata That is very high end tech to be fair.

[@indooze]

Sandmarc is better value for its money I suppose

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

Yes just about. Especially as you don’t need to buy a filter adapter with certain lenses.

[@34OLD]

New iphones dont work with then some of the moment lenses

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

They made a video showing you can but you are far from the first person I have read saying this. Some people are definitely having issues.

[@emanuelmcfail]

Sandmarc is better in opinion.

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

I did think some people may prefer the Sandmarc lens. It is really close between the two of them.

[@teddlee3243]

+ freewell