Mongrel Mob Member Dennis Makalio on New Zealand's Gang Culture

Michael Laws talks to Mongrel Mob member Dennis Makalio about New Zealand's gang culture.
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[@andrewking9435]

Gangs give middle finger to society, then expect respect from society in return. What a joke

[@Stephen-bq4nq]

Society gave a lot of these gang members the middle finger when they allowed them to be sexually assaulted in state care..

[@Stephen-bq4nq]

Society gave a lot of these gang members the middle finger when they allowed them to be sexually assaulted in state care..

[@Stephen-bq4nq]

Society gave a lot of these gang members the middle finger when they allowed them to be sexually assaulted in state care

[@matthewlevin2340]

Incorrect. They give the finger to the twisted system. It seems you my friend it would seem you need to fall back in line. Take your booster, pay your tax and vote for your local puppet government party.

[@simonmiddleton4487]

Just like government gives middle finger to the hard working middle class with relentless taxation and theft of purchasing power through inflation

[@chriskiwi2601]

This is BS. Everyone who breaks the law knows full well they are doing so, gangs or any other citizen. Learn what's right or wrong. End of bloody story. Pay the price and stop looking for excuses.

[@magingi]

So It is OK for Helius and Puro to sell a 'herb', but for every one else, no? How did that happen? Do tell.

[@williemrebekahmaclutchie-e7654]

ex outlaw mc club member,selfish,greedy,idiotic behavior, anti social,all the same thinking,different patches,some drive V8s street gangs but i was a mc rider n V8s i side with the police raptor door kicking cops ok they meth dealers making $$$$$$$$ wrecking lives every where ok

[@cornecloete69]

Easy for privileged people to say..... I grew up angry and fighting and getting involved with horrible people as it's all I knew ... when I started hanging around decent people, I changed , luckily, early in life. Now I just hate the snobby priks with silver spoons up the rear who were born into wealth instead of earning it like some of us. 🙄

[@AmonAnon-vw3hr]

@cornecloete69 crazy that you think every who dislikes crime and habitual criminal offending is wealthy and "privileged" I was raised poor as shit and I hate crime.

[@CentaurHorseman]

I agree,but why should a member of a genuine motorcycle club have to pay the price at a higher rate than a citizen? Fair is fair if we are treating our people equally?

[@karl-heinzvonscharnhorst546]

I'm Maori. Brought up in state housing in a low-income family. Had a successful career and been a CEO of a large firm for the past 20 years. It comes down to effective role models in your wider family circle being positive influencers and you as an individual wanting to be a better person in society and have personal pride in your own brand.

[@bluddyrowdy8757]

Good Onya Mate - the Voice of Sense and Sensibility Here !

[@williamearnshaw410]

Bravo buddy.... 👏

[@JustpokerB]

Luck u mean, it comes down to luck

[@waronwoke]

Well said that man.

[@waronwoke]

​@JustpokerB you make your own luck. The more you put into life, the more you get out of it. Yes life deals you your cards, but it's how you play them that counts.

[@user-np2xp3jq4i]

my best mate was raised in Canons creek, Porirua, he ended up working for ird and now has his own accountancy business, he hated and still hates gangs, he didn't come from any rich family but hates gangs, kind of ruins this guys logic, or lack of, you had a choice, there is always something to do, grow up

[@magingi]

Hate is the beginning of the end.

[@Lady.K01]

Your "friend" or is it YOU 🤣🤣

[@aaronlikescoffee]

I spent time living on Champion Street, C.Creek when I was 15. Plenty of good natured, hard working people. The staff at the Mungavin Shops were always being harassed going about their business. Definitely a clash of worlds and cultures in the area.

[@ibringtherain7669]

@@Lady.K01😂

[@richsmith3300]

Its you yah nob not your mate bullshitta

[@J.Smith-rc6wh]

Targeting gangs for being gangs works to reduce criminal behaviour by gangs, all overseas evidence suggests this, we need to do something. Dennis wants to live outside the law, by rules of his own making, that is why we have police ENFORCEMENT in the first place, to enforce the collective group norms that have kept the peace for generations. at the end of the day, I want to live under the NZ law, not Dennis Law thank you.

[@magingi]

That's why we should listen and together come up with solutions rather than using simple minded condemnation only.

[@tip397]

@@magingi The solution is quite simple. Stop breaking the law!.

[@logicalanswer3529]

@@magingi Or don't be a criminal. Most New Zealanders do it every day because they grasp the concept of self-accountability.

[@felixyoghurt3291]

Gangs are a social scourge in any nation. Consider them like a social thermometer, the more gang activity, the more social harm going on.

[@cornecloete69]

Agreed, look at the rainbow gangs

[@slimdusty6328]

Religion has long been the only gangs to claim charity status. Social scourge generally don't create social harmony . What came first the chicken or the egg

[@gregenhersu]

@@cornecloete69 what are those?

[@soup-nazi6824]

Nz is crawling with gangs & membership sky-rocketed under the Ardern sponsorship 🙄😬

[@TangodownNZ]

You should have asked him. Do you think intimidating people and stealing their motorbikes (after they worked hard to buy them), is a good thing. Because this is what gangs do in New Zealand

[@dgm2593]

Sounds like the british crown taking land and assets!

[@bluddyrowdy8757]

@@dgm2593 What did they take from You ? Its 2024 Now, are you insisting on blaming our Ancestors - or Loooking ahead ? You bluddy drongo, you are part of the problem , NOT the solution

[@robertmccabe8632]

The Japanese gvt applied new laws to control the Yakuza, and are very successful in controling them.

[@user-hq4bj1gg1i]

The yakuza have been incorporated into the Nihon government since their inception, they predate modern Japanese democracy in fact

[@jen7256]

Think maybe we can learn a lot from the Japanese and their respect they have for family

[@stevesmith1923]

@@user-hq4bj1gg1i And they have been crushed in the last 20 years. I guess the government/ people realized they aren't needed in a modern society.

[@hannahdavia8791]

Thank you for being willing to have a civil and respectful conversation with this man. It's good to bring everything to the light and have a civil debate.

[@giltee626]

I’m older than this gangster and at 13 there was nothing we created our own amusement without breaking the law or joining gangs. If he doesn’t think gangs intimidate people he’s either lying or incredibly stupid.

[@Ronny.81]

He’s definitely stupid have you seen his face

[@olliemoose2020]

He is both lying and stupid .

[@AmonAnon-vw3hr]

What an easy existence. All the rights (plus a few extra) and none of the responsibilities.

[@Stephen-bq4nq]

Yeah getting sexually assaulted in state care sounds really easy.

[@patriciakimber4312]

Don’t tell me , he had a bad childhood and it’s our fault no doubt

[@mr2981]

He has fewer tattoos than I was expecting.

[@Anony_mouse2]

Face tattoos rock!

[@Anony_mouse2]

@@KAHouli viewer beware 😱

[@speeddemon9555]

not the brightest guy, he talks like he's a victim.

[@Jay-oh1li]

Yeah he says he's out of the "survival mode", but he's not being honest/upfront about things and wants to make excuses.

[@mephistofleece]

Aren't most of us on survival mode? Excuses excuses.

[@speeddemon9555]

@@mephistofleece no, some of us are bright enough to educate ourselves and be useful.

[@mephistofleece]

@@speeddemon9555 Even us bright enough to get educated are not immune to hardship, be it emotional, financial or other reasons. And we are not gangsters, or criminals. If you are, or so far have been immune to any hardship, then you are one of a very small minority.

[@brutallyremastered4255]

@@speeddemon9555Didn't help your grammar and spelling.

[@zaksol7022]

Im maori and came from a poor family when i was 18 i got mixed up with the mongrel mob thru a friends i was boarding with, they the mob members became mates to me but no way did i want a patch or continue that pathway for my life, i aventually

[@selwyntupou3970]

What a crock! Full of excuses

[@slimdusty6328]

Left hemisphere versus right hemisphere kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGmZmZinarZ5hs0 .

[@torqingheads]

Not a lot bouncing around in that one's head.

[@slimdusty6328]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGmZmZinarZ5hs0

[@Ronny.81]

Government and tax department needs to seize their cars , motorbikes ,houses etc. if they can’t show where they got their money from.very simple,other governments have done this to gangs over seas.

[@magingi]

Like they do in the U.S where this has been happening for 'decades'. NZ now follows 'suit'. Get it? That approach, the war on drugs, has caused a catastrophe. Incarceration. No fathers for children. The erosion of trust. Seizing assets like that(with no proof as it were) is theft. A great way to foster peace and harmony huh.

[@peacebrother8942]

And YOU think that gangs are violent?

[@stoveone4031]

@@peacebrother8942 thats not even what he said

[@merleyoung1869]

Yes. Gangs deal in drugs, steal property, intimidate, nothing legal with these people. They get free range in this country.

[@Stephen-bq4nq]

They're already doing it.

[@blackghost7263]

Mongral Mob was created to take on Black Power!

[@PaulSmith-oy6fc]

Having lived overseas for a number of years with the thought of selling up and retiring back to NZ. Spent a month in the the particular area we wanted to move to. Have a long history with that area. Completely buggered by the gangs. Drugs, violence against ordinary citizens, crime rate through the roof. Local police commissioner told me that the area has a presence of up to 14 gangs. They're certainly not their for the weather or lifestyle change. Goodbye retirement dream.

[@MrAntz71]

Even Greys Ave in Auckland CBD is now a no go for Stats NZ as their staff are being harassed by the flotsam and jetsam now visiting or living in the CBD. Greys Ave being less than 200 metres from cental police station!?

[@hughbarlow9736]

It seems a lot of people listened to this interview without actually hearing what was said.

[@andrewking9435]

Why didnt he join rugby league club or marae with his mates rather than gang?

[@greatwhite9428]

Rugby clubs dont sell drugs to kids,thats why 🤷‍♂️

[@patu5798]

I think Dennis has sniffed to much glue

[@waynemohi2767]

Glue wasn't the thing in Dennis era , ignorant dummy., what rock you been hiding behind man?

[@logicalanswer3529]

A professional victim will never grasp the concept of self-accountability.

[@danielthomas8507]

Amazing what he can do with 3 braincells...........

[@toptensviewerschoice5204]

Banning patches isn't the answer....Banning gangs is the answer

[@sox7784]

Stop talking to these idiots there is nothing right with being in a gang if there was we would all be I one and he said it himself no way are my grandchildren are joining the MOB

[@rikimackey7984]

Yeah they’ll all make up excuses but until you accept responsibility you’ll be fighting an uphill battle against yourself. If it was such a great thing why does he not want his mokopuna having any part of it? He’s still sitting on the fence that’s why

[@oceansep4103]

“Probably end up in prison” lmfao facts 😂😂😂

[@sonnyday6830]

Those gangs are just a bunch of weak crims

[@TC-sm8rc]

My late uncle was one of the founding members in court the day the judge called them a pack of mongrels... i always told him (pedro) to get a real job, but theyre all like sheep they just follow one another and here we are today arghh what a waste

[@JustpokerB]

Society is a laughing stock anyways

[@ep8u]

Just like all the rest of the gang members. Blame everyone and everything but themselves. Learn how to take a look in the bloody mirror!

[@brutallyremastered4255]

That was terrific - thanks.

[@Vanadisir]

Interesting to hear him talk about the survival brain. Easy to contemplate that in the later stages of life. I hope that new mindset is being passed on to the young men, and not just his own mokopuna.

[@bluddyrowdy8757]

I'm the same age, 63, I grew Up in Lower Hutt, I well remember the Nae-Nae boys fighting with the Porirua Boys,, Youthful testerone was on Full display there. Porirua Boys would bring car-loads to Us, and we would take car-loads to Porirua..stupid children.. I left NZ in 1978 for Aussie, and grew-up and Never Looked back. They stayed and got bluddy Dumber....

[@xjr1300nut]

I have dealt with the various gangs over a number of decades in different roles of law enforcement. I can honestly say, not all gang members are in it for the crime, some are there purely for the companionship that does exist in some gangs.However, most are there for the intimidation, the drugs and the general anti societal stigma, it’s very interesting when you get one of the less desirable on his own, he will generally back down but not always as it’s his patch and the mana he perceives it carries that often overtakes common sense. At the end of the day,there are far more crime orientated gangs and members than those with a social conscious, so to eliminate gangs is for the betterment of all..

[@CharlieHoliday369]

Yup.

[@Stephen-bq4nq]

Gangs aren't getting eliminated they're a symptom of social failure. These gangs members aren't coming from the best neighbourhoods with a good mum and dad with all the trappings of life they're coming from the bottom of the heap and so many of them are sexually abused in state care..

[@de-nz4jp]

It sounds like its everyone elses fault...

[@vanzikky]

A professional victim this guy.

[@gizmo1958]

63 an still in a gang . Guys just not being honest about what he's got himself into. Can fully understand as a young man joining a gang and being protected by it to a degree but you have to grow up and become an adult eventually. As adults their a criminal organization plain an simple and are decimating their communities.

[@robertmiller2173]

Nicholas Radich, went from being a smart intelligent University Student to a P addict and manufacturer in 2 Terms at the University of Otago! Tragic waste…I was one of his best friends and I couldn’t save him! He would have sold his dear mother!

[@portroyal6886]

And talking about selling drugs, the pharmaceutical companies make millions in that, and the immunization shots, if i got that I'd be complaining I wasn't good stuff😂😂😂, but yet they made multi millions with it 😂😂😂

[@JohnSmith-wb6kq]

Inarticulate Rock Ape, clueless living a pointless life

[@StGammon77]

Oh the oppressed and oppressor mentality

[@merlenechambers575]

I did listen to your conversation with Jarrod Gilbert. But it appears there are some mixed up timelines going on in regards to 'gang culture'. Muldoon stepped in in the 70's because there was alot of vicious activity in Newtown of young men killing each other. So this is where the PEP schemes came into being. As Jarrod Gilbert stated, in the 70's and 80's young men joined gangs for a sense of brotherhood, and the prime concern back then was territory, a bit like the gangs of New York with the Irish and the Italians. But we are stearing the conversation for 'organised crime and drug making/dealing'. And if the truth be known, no criminal who is making drugs is going to appear on your platform to have a conversation. Dennis is world weary now and does not want his grandchildren to go down the gang path. Gang patches and organised crime. Catch phrases for headlines and political votes.

[@RobertWalker-kv9hn]

What a waste of space, I grew up in a state housing area when the gangs were just starting out; the mates that I hung out with were a mix of races White Māori Pacific islanders some of the white had mothers that came here as war brides, There was only one that went to jail a white dude, no one joined a gang or caused any trouble some joined the military all had jobs no one gave us a leg up we made it our selves, there were at least 3 gangs in my neighborhood causing trouble we gave them a wide berth

[@ZaneLike]

If he was being truthful, I give Dennis praise for not wanting his grandchildren to join the Mob. He is right, there is so much more available for children today to get ahead and enjoy life compared to the 70s and 80s when he was a young mobster. It all comes back to being a creature of your environment, its why there are so many intergenerational gang members. When you are born into those surroundings that's what you learn from day one - I'd imagine it would be very hard to escape from gang life.. I've spoken to a few old Gangsters and they reach a point when suddenly it dawns on them that they have wasted their lifes stuck in the Gang world - It seems Dennis may have thought this hence why he doesn't want his young family members going down the same track, so thats admirable that he wants to break that connection of born to be a gang member for them.. Now, I dispise gangs as a whole, but can understand why we have them.

[@marcoantonioperin2187]

It takes great loving lucid parantes to move and take their kids away from these toxic environments.

[@brutallyremastered4255]

He also said there's a world of things to do now: he's right, I sure remember NZ back then, it was bereft.

[@brutallyremastered4255]

@@marcoantonioperin2187Well put.

[@giltee626]

I’m older than Dennis and there was nothing when I was a teenager. We made our own entertainment without breaking the law. There was gangs and the opportunity to join them but why would I want to. We’ve all got choices and at 13 he was likely on the road downhill already, probably exposed to family abuse and violence and drugs would’ve been involved. He chose his future, his future didn’t choose him.

[@badchefi]

@@marcoantonioperin2187 it also takes jobs and money to be able to move -

[@user-ii6xi9tv5c]

Another spin and a waste of podcast time talking about how it all began ' unless you've got a solution ( which is nil ) , its more highlighting ones name and he's had it hard 🍌 no harder than peeling a banana but ok to throw a rock through a window 🥴 this is tragic Dennis , get outta victim mode because people see through the bs ... learn new life skills read if you can , get out hike in the bush and camp for a few days even , enjoy the land your ancestors grew up on ... just don't wollow in pity !

[@clarkdef]

I am no way near a gang member or gang supporter. I am a trying software developer. The gangs are not ever to blame. You can't actually blame people for anything because at the macro level nature happens and there is always a reason for behaviour, and it has to do with the exchange of energy in a system. Only an average minded person would ever interview and questionBlame someone for anything , that conversation snippet has a null outcome because the interviewer is just trying to do a job to gain attention. Here's a simple model I have come up with. 1. Acknowledge - You need to see people, approach them, initiate a relationship. 2. Understand be honest - Disagree or agree whatever but have that conversation and find some understanding. 3. Know - Ask a question, get a name. 4. Leave - Respectively. If you done all that right then you have literally moved the needle. You will have more understanding and so will they. NOBODY does this. To NOT acknowledge is a declaration of war (don't forget we are humans not worker ants). This method I just made up aims to balance a systems energy.

[@ngaftp]

You could have gone to school.

[@dcpmootown]

if we were born into the same situation as this mob member we normies would be mob members aswell

[@philoconnell7706]

Where’s the video interview Show some heart MM

[@davetabak1427]

He twisted this quite a bit most these people are in gangs due to being interfered with an all other bullshit well done Dennis M

[@davehughes9905]

Hahahahaha - I think this guy is on drugs ...

[@steveboyd359]

Two right criminals for the price of one. Makalio is a Criminal member of a notorious gang and Laws was a member of the Southern area council that robbed from the rate payer, as I say two for the price of one.

[@michaelferguson651]

Looks like he methed with the wrong vivid!

[@xjamis]

THE CAMERA IS WAY TO CLOSE

[@andrewoh1663]

I would bet that Dennis joined a gang because he had no dad in the home, because that is the case with most gang members.

[@Stephen-bq4nq]

A lot of gangs members come from state care and a lot of them are sexually abused while in care and that's something mainstream society needs to own.

[@madda0x]

what makes me laugh is i dont want my kids or family members to join far to many options .... oh the people worried about this are the people in rich areas we do what need to, to survive ..... what?!?! so victim mentality when it's against the gang but when not directly at the gang complete different though hmmm i think he is divided on his thought of what the gang is. banning patches wont do much tbh i would rather see the patches myself some of these guys are on the edge with hair trigger tempers i would rather know who i should be more cautious around

[@Jeff-yb6rz]

I moved this man from Auckland,he had a Maori wife and kids,then i moved him from Wellington he had Chinese wife and kids ,left those ones two,then Wanganui south African wife and kids,yup he left them two , father's need to be there two help raise kids true story, ok people think it easy ,a lot of these gangs was started because the boy's in blue, kept pushing people around, manly brown skinned people,ok that's my rant for the day, peace ❤bye

[@lousessssmith9869]

I have been fascinated by Gangs all my life and the question I have is why are so many young in the gang and will die for there colors and there's no come back from death , everyday in the media you see gang members dying or dead , This I Don't understand

[@tommychook4552]

revolution,,,civil war is here ?

[@TheMarathonomahos]

I obviously disagree with him, but he actually speaks very well, so credit where its due. He spoke better than the Black Power guy did with Sean. His problem is he doesn't equate 1% of gang members to 1% of the population.. 1 in 100 people in New Zealand are not in prison

[@seanodwyer4322]

Prophet/intercessor- Sean O'Dwyer.- 136- 140 Hobson Street.- Auckland 1010. New Zealand/Aotearoa.'

[@tipenemason8421]

Rehtorical Q. Asking him why he wanted to join the mob is like asking a monkey why it likes bananas. Dennis should've replied, to rob you!

[@Newit2]

Now they can give the boys a job where they can earn legal money,the roads are a nightmare and these boys can do the road works manual Labour with a bit of pride everyone is a winner.

[@ianstephenson9471]

There is only 1 gang that has caused me concern over the past 5 years and that was the previous government. Somehow, they took over democracy and told us they would be the 'one source of truth'. Were they and has their legacy been removed?

[@user-ds1dp9bi1q]

Im living Porirua , im born 2000 , 24 now i got similar stories an im not gangmember.

[@lousessssmith9869]

I grew up in porirua , it was just how it was

[@michealmccoy9249]

Don't make me send in president Nayib Bukele of El Salvador ,

[@user-zl8pt5jv9c]

Lets face it Our polce department aren't the sharpest tools in the box ...with no patches how're they going to spot the crims !!!!

[@kingfillins4117]

You think that gang members generally wear their patch when the are breaking the law?

[@Ronny.81]

With the patches the cops do nothing to them anyway so no difference….

[@giltee626]

You’re not the sharpest tool in the box. How would the police recognise any criminal and or repeat offender. Tattoos for one, photo files, criminal records. Mongrel mobsters don’t need patches for the police to know who they are. Besides if they don’t break the law they’ve got nothing to worry about

[@red2775]

And they get to keep their public persona ​@@Ronny.81

[@Rob-ik7jy]

Black man in black face? That's one I haven't seen before lmao. I thought minstrels were a thing of the past

[@tacokistemaker4722]

And he is the spokesperson?

[@ronaldwarren1267]

Vote Ray Chung for wellington mayor, hic hic got to go imo

[@janinebreckon6511]

Grotesque

[@soup-nazi6824]

Jacinda Ardern loved the gangs-remember she used to pay them large sums for drug rehab programs which is ironic considering they were also the same people selling the drugs in the first place...😅

[@overover..]

Thanks for your words Dennis

[@DevonR564]

All I really have to say about this is the people you associate with also make you who you are. You keep company with the type of people you yourself want to be. I've learnt this the hard way in life and I think the earlier people realize this and take it onboard the better.

[@BoBo-lt9vc]

Dennis was pushing the jab what an outstandingly good citizen nearly brought a tear to my eye. Look a bit pale dennis wont be long now .

[@dusmangi]

money is the god of all

[@ppynbushpig4394]

How you gonna ban the patches on their faces?

[@greatwhite9428]

Thin lizzy concealer cream 😂

[@user-lr5uz9nd9q]

Well spoken cuz.. and he's cheeky especially from Napier

[@hirainawhaanga6253]

No one is an expert on gang culture,just the gangs themselves.

[@CeaselessDetritus]

Are they "no one"? Who are tree experts? Trees?

[@deanwitt7903]

Well now we have got to the bottom of it . There was nothing out there , only telephone boxes ! Why didn’t they just say this decades ago and maybe something could have been done 😂

[@GeneRangihuna]

Rawe to korero Dennis

[@ZANEOS843]

Took my like back when there's a $8 join fee

[@wikitoriasmith1713]

Honour by Pākehā? MIA, since the get go.

[@JohanThiart]

Gangs that act like clubs will not be targeted. If these gangs are targeted it will be an easy win in any court in this country if they sue the police for harassment.

[@NA-sj9jy]

Played the Victim Card. 😂

[@slimdusty6328]

or the holistic from right hemisphere kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGmZmZinarZ5hs0

[@matthewlevin2340]

Poor, reee ruuuua. Thats how you pronounce it old boy.

[@firequeen7872]

And this is why basic good parenting and basic good education are important. Pointless interview. Edit; and Michael do be so kind as to pull the camera back from your face somewhat. It’s a bit much and very off putting.

[@Robert-hm1ob]

Nice there Denis yep wat you say about the brain ka pai British need to realize we are still becoming colonized into another way of life. I am Maori I'm not in gangs at all but fighting my dad taught my siblings and me why because we were poor my grandfather had ptsd from the war ruin my fathers mentality. My grandfather hate himself so much he try to beat out of my dad see much of himself n my dad this is after the war. I can understand that those in a poverty stricken environment live a completely different life to middle class. People look at them say why do they cause mayhem or do crime it ain't for fun two different worlds hard to explain to you. If you are raised poor then you are is the best way I can say until someone show you a better way my mum. Change cannot happen with noone there to help do that or it takes a very long time gemerations. Then identity crisis in your own country is next issue wen trying to change the stress is alot but who cares aye just hurry change already many transitions to make just to become low class which is above poor and before middle class enuff said yah priks you don't know then you don't know will you stay ignorant

[@brent2040]

Wow pretty poor arguement for gangs and lots of finger pointing, what about them sort of stuff.

[@NZ_Kiwi1010]

It's all about peers

[@tanginicholls207]

Chur Dennis OG ... pity the fools being keypad gangsters hiding behind their screens in KZbin University..

[@portroyal6886]

If they don't want gang members to were patches, what if the gangs made they patch with a business, like if ya work for a business you were the label, lol, anyway patches shouldn't be banned...

[@CeaselessDetritus]

Meth?

[@portroyal6886]

@@CeaselessDetritus I wasn't implying that, more like legal jobs, body guards, a repo man, security, or even a lone shark, with a high interest, and then it turns into repo, haha... to be honest I'm surprised that that bold headed guy doesn't need security, I'm sure if things were a little different in my world I think a few strings pulled would be the necessary case if my patch was threatened

[@moonms94]

Looks like hes related to rawhiri

[@maieldmik5233]

Good on ya Dennis for saying your bit . Kiwis should understand who the biggest dealer of drugs here is. When a packet of cigarettes costs less than $5 to make,then you tax it till they are$50 then sell it to people addicted to it then is that not obscene and hypocritical? Different strokes for different folks i suppose. The revenue made from that alone would be more than all gangs put together.

[@Ronny.81]

Ahh give it a rest would ya, gang members homes have the highest rates of child abuse in the country and your trying to make out their like everyone else.

[@ronnymcdonald2543]

Oh fook off, yr comparing violent criminals to tobacco sales, i dont see anyone intimidating people into smoking ciggys or bashing them just seem tough - get real lol

[@giltee626]

That’s why gangs break into shops and teal them. How about comparing apples with apples. The drugs the MM sell are far more harmful than cigarettes. Have you ever seen how Meth ruins not only the addict but those close to them.

[@magingi]

Great point, regards that 'tax'. You know, 'taxing'. That's an issue, which is not allowed to be discussed.

[@lifeliver9000]

I was told the tax was to pay for the smokers medical treatment later in life

[@HB-iq6bl]

Apart from going to prison we are all the same

[@Anony_mouse2]

Nah

[@mra4955]

what in the godamn hell r u talking

[@keepingitreal618]

Absolutely not 🙄

[@banjopete]

What a lot of crap…wise up.

[@user-nx4vm6rt9v]

He doesn't want his grandchildren in the gangs ?????? Hallo alarms are ringing loudly That comment alone should make people take notice

[@eventerry9093]

Old and wise don't always go together. Let them have there patches, but could we just stop them breading.

[@MrRdpn]

What do you care how he seasons his meat ? it's good on Schnitzel and in Chicken

[@faroukprice7929]

You talk too much

[@edjohn4590]

These “gangs” are funny as F… grown adults behaving like kids!🤣🤣