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[@LexClips]

Full podcast episode: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qorVlYCgi72shMk Lex Fridman podcast channel: kzbin.info Guest bio: Ben Shapiro is a conservative political commentator, host of The Ben Shapiro Show, co-founder of The Daily Wire, and author of The Authoritarian Moment and other books. Steven Bonnell, aka Destiny, is a liberal political commentator and a live streamer on KZbin.

[@Marshmellow3971]

Ben has been happily married for almost 20 years with four children, Destiny was in an open relationship for 2 years and his wife left him for another man. Not gloating over Destiny’s marriage collapsing, but I think that’s important context for anyone watching and trying to decide whether they want an open marriage.

[@paper_gem]

Open marriages are a scam. If your lady asks for an open marriage, dump her.

[@Marko-ij4vy]

@@paper_gem Open relationship basically means "Im looking for better option but Ill keep you as backup until the better option comes along".

[@NorthernSpartan]

@@paper_gem It´s most often men who want it i think

[@BenMargolius]

When 40-50% of monogamous marriages fall apart, I don't know how you can point to the fact that Destiny's relationship came to end as an indicator to the viability of open relationships. If Destiny's relationship had been closed, would you argue that closed relationship's are doomed to fail? If I can find you someone who's been in an open relationship for 20 years would that change your mind as to their viability? IMO let people do what makes them happy, for some people that's going to be open relationships, for some people that's going to be closed relationships. If anything, with all the closed relationships that have cheating on both sides, those folks might be happier in an open relationship.

[@RogueAndroid]

Destiny himself has always maintained, he does NOT recommend open relationships to anyone out there. He knows full well monogamous relationship are best and has always held that position. Sucks that Melina was such a bitch in the end. But then again, comes with the lifestyle and type of relationship.

[@valakad]

With Ben and Destiny, it feels as if the footage is sped up 😂

[@joel230182]

0.75 would sound normal

[@Thatdudewiththedogs]

This comment is on every single clip like 20 times. We get it. They talk quickly.

[@xQTx]

@@Thatdudewiththedogs You should call the police! It seems like his comment wants to murder you so i can understand you feel offended 🤡

[@djvoracious]

I actually just checked the playback speed...😂

[@valakad]

@@djvoracious Hahahahah

[@billdestroyerofworlds]

Interesting to hear Destiny say Ben is essentially right.

[@prometheus5405]

Destiny never recommended it to others.

[@dm_1236]

@@prometheus5405so he recommends monogamy?

[@Isariu11]

@@dm_1236idk but I remember countless times destiny not advocating for open relationships because their so complicated and have issues. I never heard him once recommend it

[@Johnnysmithy24]

@@dm_1236 yes

[@CTrudo27]

That is a pretty loose summarization - They really did not talk much about Monogamy vs Non-Monogamy at all, tbh. Destiny was pretty specific to call out that he agrees that a lack of interest in fertility will pose problems for society but you'd have to be either a moron or or a techno-optimist extremist to disagree. Destiny did not "agree" that monogamy is the best style of relationship for raising children but he did agree that there are going to be some relationship structures that work more than others which is very different than admitting that Ben was "Right". Destiny was pretty clear in noting that by increasing the rights of Women to pursue alternative paths to child rearing which is historically speaking, a massive civil rights improvement and upgrade, you are going to encounter some consequences to he doesn't have the answer to those but it doesn't mean that focusing on giving the individual those rights was "Wrong".

[@__-vu8io]

So Destiny, I know your open relationship just imploded spectacularly in a very public way...but do you think open relationships work?

[@steamboatbillywilly]

Yeah, I felt so bad for Destiny at that moment. A lot of people say he deserves what happened to him, and I probably agree, but it's nevertheless extremely painful to deal with relationships ending, and I still feel sorry for him.

[@jasonhenry8067]

I do think Ben Deserves Props for not bringing it up. I feel a lot of “Internet Debaters” would have thrown a jab there

[@FeIix_the_Cat]

What's the context?

[@paulbarclay4114]

@@steamboatbillywilly dont feel sorry for someone who brought that on themselves.

[@DTreatz]

Getting *red pilled* the hard way, suppository 🤣💊

[@lindseyschatz6182]

LMFAO don’t even have to watch this clip to know… Lex, “Please defend your respective viewpoints on relationships. Of course Ben is married, and we all just saw what happened to you Destiny, but no we’re gonna do this. Defend open relationships after you just got publicly steamrolled, GO.” 👨🏼‍🎤🤡🤣😭🤣

[@AnthonyPompa]

Maybe he’s making a point…

[@hugo-garcia]

​@@AnthonyPompaHe was public cucked in a livestream

[@thesazbak5342]

By that logic monogamy doesn't work either because Steven Crowder's marriage has also been imploded. 1 example is not a good statistical analysis to decide which works better.

[@AnthonyPompa]

@@thesazbak5342 Well he's an egotistical asshole so it makes perfect sense they're not together anymore.

[@bobjones5825]

@@thesazbak5342 Are you actually trying to imply that open relationships have even a fraction of the success rate that monogamous relationships have? Are you disabled?

[@THETRIVIALTHINGS]

Didn't Destiny's girl leave him for some discount Ezra Miller looking mofo? And then posted like videos of her being all over him, while this dude was crying about it.

[@Pan_Z]

The status of their marriages speaks for itself.

[@BIRDSBIRDSBIRDSBIRDSBIRDS]

He divorced when he was monogamous too though

[@DennisPing]

Clips editor needs to CHILL with the AI images

[@Thatdudewiththedogs]

Depends on what the prompt was…. 🤔 maybe AI needs to chill

[@aga5109]

​@Thatdudewiththedogs True 😂. The prompt was : big boobs bride in a church 😅. I am only writing the truth. It is not meant to harm. Truth is truth 😂.

[@aga5109]

😅 Correct, enlarging prompts [joking]🤭

[@m.2891]

Like damn.

[@Grafknar]

Image was too small. Couldn’t tell. Thank you; that was an illusion that needed to get shattered.

[@tylorabbott4204]

Destiny-had a FAILED polyamorous relationship. Ben Shapiro-still has a SUCCESSFUL monogamous relationship at 15 years and counting. There’s some great anecdotal evidence right there.

[@baileymaloney1961]

How do you know Ben’s wife ain’t fuckin someone else behind his back & he just don’t know? They could be equally unsuccessful & one is just aware of it.. you never know with these women man. They all lie.

[@marcelolage1395]

With a doctor

[@Donner906]

Successful? he can't get his wife wet and admitted it.

[@Dark_Souls_3]

It’s also completely true soooo

[@tylorabbott4204]

@@Dark_Souls_3 correct?

[@albertfitzgerald2309]

My favorite part about Destiny's response is that he didn't actually answer the question, but instead red-herringed an argument about whether we should be pushing society to have more kids. Poor bloke; too stubborn to shift his views but obviously beginning to have second thoughts about open marriages after his wife dumped him.

[@B420b94]

If there's a loser in this argument, it's definitely destiny.

[@michaellong2439]

not every conversation needs a winer and loser, thats why the two sides separate further and further. it was nice for something political to actually and genuinely be more towards a conversation compared to a debate with a winner and a loser and I hate how thats everyones perspective

[@iMacAZ]

Man, these two really speak at the same fast cadence. LOL.

[@incoma6628]

Destiny didn't answer the question but apparently he didn't wanna to talk about his failed "open" marriage XD

[@nilo9801]

Destiny didn't answer the question... I wonder why... 😂

[@EddieHenderson92]

I've known people in open marriages over the years and none of them lasted long term. I'm not saying it can't work out for certain people but it's probably not the best choice for the majority and I know it would not be my thing.

[@zacharyjonesjr6201]

Listening to Ben and Destiny halved my testosterone levels

[@alexbrokholm4883]

You can't divide a zero

[@prometheus5405]

You barely have any

[@I_hu85ghjo]

you made the fanboys mad.

[@jessewest2109]

This will piss off some lackeys!

[@evanr5871]

@@I_hu85ghjoyou’re fun!

[@zaxbitterzen2178]

While monogamous relationship's require a fair amount of work to function with efficiency open relationship's require far too much to maintain solidarity. Too many factor's need to connect such as trust, adequacy both physical/emotional, communication, and potentially a lot of difficult interaction's with strange people. In many ways being in an "open" marriage is redundant to the point where you've made what could be a rather simple arrangement WAAAAAYYYYYY more difficult that it needs to be for no extra reward. It often invites distrust and naturally carries an aura of indecision or just sex-seeking.

[@stephaniehendricks225]

Yes. People who've never been in a strong, meaningful relationship have no idea how much effort it actually takes to maintain one relationship throughout the ups and downs and twists and turns of life, let alone several? Forget about it

[@JediNiyte]

@@stephaniehendricks225I can tell you you're both wrong. If you're having to work "on the relationship" you have a fundamental problem - you're probably not working on yourself. You can't build a healthy relationship if the constituent actors aren't healthy. But if you have psychologically healthy people on the front end, most of the "problems" that arise in a relationship simply aren't going to come up because you don't have existing pathologies bumping up against one another. Am currently in a 15-year open relationship and I can tell you my hubby and I (I'm a 49-year-old man and he's 75) don't have HALF the problems of the married monogamous couples we know. In fact, we're the guys people come to (constantly) for relationship advice. And while it's not simple, it is straightforward. Fix yourself and the relationship will almost always follow, no matter if it's just the two of you or not.

[@wruxiz6104]

Sure love how destiny heard the monogamy vs polyamory question and then ranted on about children and how people dont have them often anymore and what a solution may be. Kinda wanted to hear his rebuttal to everything Shapiro said but ig not.

[@fifiadan]

Having watched Destiny normally he would argue very heavily here. I’ve seen him argue that everyone should try open relationships but they are scared of it. He knows he can’t try that kind of thing around Ben 😂

[@scsassine]

Every time I’ve seen destiny speak about open relationships he says it’s definitely not for the majority of people and most cannot handle it. He’s never once advocated for it to be done by everyone.

[@Isariu11]

Yeah do you have a clip of that I would like to see. I’ve been watching for years and haven’t seen that, I’ve only heard him say over 5 times on how he doesn’t recommend this type of relationship

[@Johnnysmithy24]

He’s never said that

[@dingo9696]

He knows hes wrong. One of these guys got a divorce recently. Guess which one? 😅

[@jamminjimmy4545]

He literally says the exact opposite 😂😂😂

[@jacobboone568]

It seems to be that ben puts out his knowledge and viewpoint. Whereas destiny just opens up the question more and looks at viewpoints and things to consider, but doesn’t always defend his position

[@brandonchin9873]

Because if he ever had a rigid position then he would get instantly wrecked so he uses weasel words to avoid having a hard stance on anything.

[@ceceroxy2227]

Open marriage is not a marriage. Marriage is about two people dedicating themselves to each other together

[@AKSmith15]

So why does religious scriptures accept Polygamy?

[@gk3330]

@@AKSmith15what religion accepts polygamy? 😂😂 monogamy has been the way and always will be

[@JediNiyte]

You don't get to decide that for anyone other than yourself.

[@JediNiyte]

@@gk3330 That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Monogamy didn't become a thing until the Catholic church started imposing it around the 1600s. Polygyny has been the human norm since the Agricultural Revolution. And before that, in hunter-gatherer cultures (including modern ones) marriage wasn't even a thing.

[@gk3330]

@@JediNiyte those types of relationships aren’t real to me I don’t take them seriously. You’re right about polygamy but it eventually evolved into monogamy and tribes would even do rituals so the man can claim the women. The ritual was a form of monogamous marriage.

[@INTELLIGENCE_Revolution]

0.75x playback 😅

[@harry31619]

I agree with ben but not everyone wants to be married or have kids. People who push and push people to get married and have kids is mad annoying.

[@AnthonyFransella]

Having children is the single most meaningful and transformative thing most people can ever do. If you can have kids, do it. I say that as someone who had no natural desire for children.

[@stephaniehendricks225]

Not alone though. I think it's important to have a teammate

[@AnthonyFransella]

@@stephaniehendricks225 Yes, it's really critical. Life can go a different direction and I don't think many regret their kids even after divorce, but the outcomes are exponentially better for kids of two parents.

[@globalnationalismyoutube]

People should have kids if they can raise them properly. Irresponsible people should not have kids.

[@Danplaysgolf]

My biggest regret in life if not having kids sooner. Then again, because I didn't I now have my 2 year old daughter who is my world.

[@mljohnson7192]

Tbh I feel like I shouldn’t have had kids. I’m really struggling to be a decent parent

[@MT-jy8ip]

The type of comments on this video really feeds into the theme explored in this podcast on how its easier than ever to see how people nowadays tend to have really strong opinions with little to no substance behind them. Destiny has literally explicitly told people to not explore an open relationship and would recommend monogamy to the vast majority of people and yet people are dragging him and pretending this 5 minute tangent was somehow a debate with a clear victor rather than 2 people just having a similar conclusion to a question.

[@bengeorge92]

If you make the speed .75, it’ll make Ben sound like a person speaking normally. 😂

[@relevantusername3342]

Damn Lex, calm down with that thumbnail!!..... Source?

[@johnnytass2111]

Maybe he likes open brides during their wedding ceremony.

[@TeaMasterIroh]

I would say that you should definitely have kids if you're in a relationship, but I'm kinda careful to say that because there are a lot of ppl that shouldn't be parents.

[@coryhorton5837]

“…until recently.” Damn Lex.

[@waynethompson1115]

Open relationship is called dating. Best case scenario, married with side chicks and kids that aren't yours. Married 25 yrs here.

[@freshfalcon3996]

These two are the only time I ever use KZbin's slowdown feature. 0.75x

[@twalk2008]

This is an area I believe Destiny SHOULD NOT be giving any advice, or debating.

[@mathewshore103]

Different horses for Different courses but I agree children thrive in stable relationships sxx bravo juliett

[@Crunkz21]

In this instance, I am 100% on Destiny's side. But that just stems from me being non-religious. So this is the kind of discussion that can be answered two ways, and probably have the same outcome. Ben's side, which would 100% work if everybody would think like himself, and it would also be solved if we'd take a non-religious approach like Destiny does (although it'd definitely be more complicated). I think Destiny has the better "answer" to all of that, since religion will never be again the answer to anything, on a large scale. Imo.

[@Gumblethebear]

The vast majority of the religious argument can be taken as correct if you remove the need to believe in magical fairies to justify it.MOST of prescribed religious values are simply what works en mass for most people. This is why religions adopted it in the first place. Tell people to do what is best for them, and when it turns out you were right, claim religion is right because of the results. Do the actions that most religions agree on, ditch the magic, and you’ll have been right on nearly every question

[@seth5143]

@@Gumblethebear You're 100% correct. Also religious apologists want to have it both ways; they argue that there's no basis for morality absent religion (not true at all but that's another discussion) but also use sociological statistics to justify why their religious views are valid & justified. They undermine themselves in this way. The data speaks for itself and subscribing to lies is never necessary or good. If you lie to your children and waste precious time attempting to make them superstitious they'll realize it's nonsense and won't listen to ANYTHING you say.

[@Gumblethebear]

@@seth5143 That is certainly a possibility, certainly if you are a hypocrit about yuor beliefs. There is definitely a discussion to be had about whether religion invented ethics or whether ethics invented religion. I always loved the Chris Rock joke "They noticed this shellfish was killing everybody, so GOD said don't eat shellfish".

[@crimson6172]

The only time polygamy is ever useful is when your survival depends on it. Otherwise, it is nothing more than disgusting misery.

[@ericwinslett6779]

Like most of the topics, both parties either skirt around the issue, or in Ben's case just say religion solves all. Neither party (and maybe its due to time restraints/format) delves into the topic and comes up with any ideas that aren't obvious on the surface. There is no nuance on either side. I have yet to encounter a healthy polyamorous relationship, and in the same breath I know many religious relationships that are just as toxic. Both parties speak to the broader societal scheme, but neither address the individual aspect. They both speak from their own experience, seemingly disregarding that they are both a very small minority. Either end of the spectrum requires a self awareness and knowledge that is sorely missed from a majority of the population. The other problem with these individual topics is in a nuanced society, I should be able to have a broad spectrum of opinions that don't have to be pinned down as either liberal or conservative. The middle is the way...

[@narcodium]

Well statistically speaking marriage/monogamy works better and people with religious foundation have more success in life.

[@aga5109]

​@narcodium That's true given people take their religious convictions seriously and work on themselves. Marriages of religious people ( Christians)are far more stable compared to non religious people.

[@foedeer]

The reason you think its not 'nuanced' is because you didnt hear the answer you wanted to hear.

[@AKSmith15]

@@narcodium That is not true, divorce rates are higer in conbservative states.

[@nailatiylluf]

@@AKSmith15that’s unrelated to his statement…

[@student-d3w]

I had to check if the video was played on 1X

[@cromBumny]

His wife was hotter than him. She left him for someone that ranked closer to her or her perspective of her value.

[@hairsstandonend]

Shapiro: "MARRIAGE". Destiny: "I agree, but (states something obvious)" Shapiro: "RELIGON!" Just saved you 4 minutes here and 2 hours of the entire debate.

[@4evahodlingdoge226]

Marriage is within your control as a guy? Benny boy, you couldn't be more wrong.

[@keanugardiner7738]

the choice is within your conttol

[@4evahodlingdoge226]

@@keanugardiner7738 The choice to get married but not to stay married + the courts will ruin you - i'll pass.

[@keanugardiner7738]

@@4evahodlingdoge226 dudes that get caught in messy marriages are either messy themselves or marry messy partners. If you make the choice to get married dont marry a "bad" person

[@keanugardiner7738]

@@4evahodlingdoge226 and i believe Ben was talking about the benefits of marriage. NOT the benefits of divorce

[@Krichnu]

So letting your wife have sex with other guys is preventive assumption she will cheat on you? Good job logic wins

[@kikaGama98]

That thumbnail lex... 😂

[@aga5109]

Big, surgically enhanced boobs like everywhere else. Putting them - not even a whole woman - in the context of an important, religious ceremony is rather infantile.

[@aga5109]

Snow White on steroids 😂 Looks awful, obvious. It is not a computer game.

[@carlosparra8976]

Its biasd and unfair pov, but i wouldnt know how to trust a person in an open marriage.

[@JA-mq9ti]

If you want children two parents sure, but marriage is a construct. Monogamy is not natural.

[@jessewest2109]

That ending lol

[@anthonyju6392]

Getting married younger is the easiest and most common sense solution to the population dying out. This way women don't have to compete so much with younger women and men cannot marry much outside their age range. Ben is the living embodiment of that solution. Albeit he has always been a high earner since he was a kid so affordability has never been an issue for him but getting married earlier is going create more children.

[@mikevik100]

Dstiny didnt answer the question ...

[@ceceroxy2227]

Destiny was in an open marriage till his wife left him

[@emmi7883]

Destiny just talked about kids. Didn’t even bring up open marriage.

[@pocksuppet4415]

I dont want life advice from neither of those two people

[@cr0mag732]

Waiting for the XXX - Ben Shapiro DESTROYS Destiny's wife

[@shadowsky793]

He doesn’t have one its a open relationship. Meaning they can sleep with others but they still have keep the relationship between those two but its relaxed because humans want to make rules for themselves rather then have religion. The idea of marriage comes from religion.

[@cr0mag732]

@@shadowsky793 the idea of someone else not fucking your girlfriend predates religion

[@Yoshi-Mooch]

One of these got admitted early into an Ivy League school and received their Law degree… The other is a streamer. Who thinks this was some amazing debate? It was a teenager trying to argue a professor.

[@carlosparra8976]

well, in this society and for the average teen and 20s person, a streamer and a lawyer have the same prominance in society. Sad state of affairs

[@juancifuentes7404]

Are they on crack? It's like they are in a rush to go somewhere else. The way they talk almost sounds comical.

[@liftpenguin]

Nah that’s just how they be

[@John-lo4xz]

Stop smoking weed

[@CribNotes]

Are you not familiar with Ben Shapiro and Destiny? It's all about words per minute, baby!!! Yee haw!!!!

[@andrearenee7845]

Sharpie comes to mind when I have to listen to someone like Shapiro who talks like a robot...

[@Travisthefox]

Sad to see, a large portion of our population. Will die alone with no family at their side.

[@lelandbailey8133]

Religion is never the answer.

[@Marlowe_Bloem]

Bot?

[@cm6string]

Truth. Jesus is The Answer. The word Religion isn’t anywhere in the entire Bible.

[@charbelbejjani5541]

Thumbnail is offensive. Change it please.

[@lidiagizaw3828]

u know these men talking about tradition aint shit when they choose this as a thumbnail

[@northox]

You lost when your answer is religion.

[@romainellama7768]

Where was this Destiny when he winged at TFM for not bringing enough studies and data to back up his arguments, do my homework bs?

[@davidcalhounjr]

I miss Natalie Portman 😂

[@jmw1982blue]

Conservatives are on losing ground when they still preach religion as the answer to everything.

[@protoneuronium]

Yup. This is fun 😽

[@questinpodcast]

We are at the point where we should be telling everyone to have more kids - watch the Documentary BIRTH GAP to learn about it from an economist. Collapsing economics, happening in other countries already. America has a small cushion from immigration, but it will also happen here from the declining birth rate.

[@Pinpadprompts]

But rude to use Ben's sister in the thumb nail

[@TruthPapi]

Talk really fast, use really complicated vocabulary, make funny facial expressions and then go on Lex

[@OsamaBinDarrel]

Yeah Destiny should just keep his mouth shut .

[@shmurk9829]

Put on x0.5 and it sounds like a few guys after a couple beers talking at the house 😅

[@OfficerSkeleton]

Damn, Destiny seems like much less of a tool when his hair isn't blue.

[@daisyhinojosa23]

Pro-natalist & pro-monogamy!! (I would love to have tons of kids but this economy won’t let me progress further in life 🥲)

[@hmq9052]

Maybe sell that fancy hat or spend less time on that yacht

[@narcodium]

Your ancestors had it worse. Literally

[@whenraindropsfall]

Is it the economy or….

[@pja8901]

Having kids IS progressing further in life. Or do you mean as a worker/consumer?

[@SteveCoronado2]

Interesting to say the least. Not sure I agree or disagree with them but interesting nonetheless

[@mikaelsvartdahl]

Is a relationship where most men watch porn a monogamous relationship? There is also a HUGE difference between an open marriage and a trusting and concentual polygamous relationship. In the Jewish faith, most of the patriarchs and kings were in polygamous relationships. Even Moses who is credited by most scholars to write Genesis had multiple wives. The monogamous ideal seems to come from Greco-Roman law where monogamy was the idela. But they also had sex with slaves etc. One could argue that watching men and women perform sexual acts online is a form of slavery. Using this argument one might say that a concentual polygamous relationship is better because all the involved parties are taken care of emotionally and physically. I have not concluded in my position, but looking at the data on divorce, adultery and abuse in traditional marriages, I am questioning if our monogamous relationships actually are as monogamous as we like to think.

[@Macheako]

What’s your point

[@mikaelsvartdahl]

@@Macheako My point is to say that Ben Shapiros unwavering support of monogamy as the only viable and successful way of living together is not based on data.

[@Macheako]

@@mikaelsvartdahl oh, shoulda said so 😂 I totally agree lol I’ll just say for the “Other Side” (Monogamy) it kind of does deserve some respect for at least providing a possible answer at the Macro level 😕 I don’t really see a lot of neighborhoods made of committed, monogamous relationships lookin like Chad out here 😂✌️

[@EnergyReleased]

As we approach the end 😂

[@122222770]

Is marriage about family or statisfying impulses?

[@YTPexcelero]

I’m all for open discussion, but inviting someone who calls for genocide is not cool.

[@flampard1111]

Destiny didn’t actually answer the question… so is open marriage vs closed marriage better? Sounds like he was leaning towards closed marriage if you have a child… considering destiny has a child I’m going to take a guess that he has some regrets in life.

[@tegridyfarmer2581]

Didn't ben automaticly win this debate because of their lifes as example?

[@生き甲斐-z5h]

Destiny only "got married" / had a kid for FAFSA. Let that sink in. Dude is utilitarian & self-serving first

[@brooksbohmbach1]

Destiny doesn’t believe his own words…. And you can tell

[@neverclevernorwitty7821]

omg lex that thumbnail 🤣🤣

[@24LROD]

So destiny said a whole bunch of nothing. Is this the best he can do. Wow.

[@SolomonMagnus819]

Ben Shapiro’s wife is a doctor

[@Олександр-в2к]

Is it after Destiny's wife run with other dude to Sweden or before?

[@IronSharpensIron510]

Destiny has no validity with this topic.

[@JediNiyte]

You don't tend to hear about successful open relationships for the same reason you don't hear much about successful closed relationships. Things only get attention when they blow up. Been in a successful open relationship for 15 years here. Going strong and having a wonderful time.

[@colleendavis7181]

We are the only species that doesn't care for our offspring. Children first- and then all else will fall into place. I am older so I have seen these relationships and all the older people's children (who are my age now) do not want to take care of their parents who had this bad family structure, in fact they can't stand their parents. And the women who live longer then men used to be happy to take care of their aging husbands, but now they are free of this and now older men have to fend for themselves. Very sad, go to an old folks home and look around. Why would anyone want to commit to take care of someone later when there was no commitment earlier on to bond their life together. Go visit a couple of nursing homes.

[@AA-oe6su]

guy on the right drew himself!!!!! nice

[@kolecava]

Shapiro talks 0.25x too fast for me haha

[@bluewhale2846]

Ben that is a nice jacket

[@asparrow9876]

Marriage is the best thing to do in America? AND HE'S A LAWYER?! 💀💀💀💀🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿 Bruh.......🤦‍♂🤦‍♂🤦‍♂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Mulfar-ie6yr]

This is gonna be a short one: Grats on the big boobed AI generated thumbnail Alex, great work. Make more Boobas!

[@TheFabFarmer]

Guy on the right has weird hands…that tells me all I need to know about him.

[@neeeeeeeemo]

wtf is this thumbnail

[@Elevhant]

had to watch ben a 75% speed lol calm down brother

[@subimaginos]

Destiny sees this topic from a higher perspective than Ben (who is essentially preaching). Btw, regarding Destiny's marriage - if a doctor who smokes cigars tells you to stop smoking, you should listen to him regardless, because he is correct.

[@CoreanKat]

I would personally invert your first claim. Given that I think the argument for marriage being fundamental bedrock for productive and functioning civilizations (historically speaking) is self evident. And every civilizational divergence into polyamorous encouraging/accepting culture has been an instrumental blow in said civilizations downfall. Unless you can show me some pretty compelling evidence that could somehow overturn the aforementioned behemoths, I’m hard pressed to changing my mind on those sets of facts.

[@marcelolage1395]

But in your analogy, the doctor would be telling you cigarettes are good while suffering from lung cancer

[@subimaginos]

@@marcelolage1395 that is not true, Destiny never recommended his life style for everyone, he explicitly said that his kind of relationship is not good for all people. He is not preaching that everyone should do it ,(like Ben does)

[@battleaxe8252]

Shapiro clearly lives in a bumble. And Destiny is a weirdo.

[@bmardiney]

I want to live in a bumble.

[@Thatdudewiththedogs]

Ah, bumble living. A classic!

[@PryZmFiXion]

Abundant joy. Let us remove politics from marriage for a moment - I fully expected Shapiro to champion hard core romance and union of love and then he made it unromantic and robotic and a patriotic duty and just blahhhhh! Abundant joy is in love and commitment with a lover who shares a vision of ultimate relevance. It is two people side bybside aiming forbthe same thing. Triangles. And then the extreme left just swerved his take on open marriage and tiptoed around the family unit. Love is the answer and both of them avoided it like the plague. There are people of every size shape and color equipped to love- Every path can lead to love. Both of them strayed away from the beauty which they could have highlighted. There are so many children who need homes right now that we do not need to know about the sex life to raise them as he just so clearly demonstrated here. He basically just demonstrated uncertainty and conviction of his own open marriage lifestyle "the second you discuss children". You are right sir- it changes things- children change EVERYTHING

[@TheThigh]

He’s dealing with a population level issue. Based on the flow of this podcast, flowery language wasn’t needed.

[@PryZmFiXion]

​@@TheThighI'm not convinced that trying to persuade a population of people who routinely say I hate people to repopulate the Earth Earth is an effective strategy

[@TheThigh]

@@PryZmFiXion He’s talking to another person that understands the need to make arguments that scale. He’s explaining why monogamy is necessary for a society to perpetuate itself. Honestly, you’re just asking for a different topic than what was discussed.

[@davidshaw3374]

Who calls themselves "Destiny" 😂😂😂 use this comment as the laugh button.

[@hugo-garcia]

Ben is married for 15 years and have 5 children. Destiny was in a cucked relationship and last 2 years. Take your own conclusions

[@antonygdouglas3935]

Is Mr Destiny a rap star or something , sorry I’m not up speed . 😮