Ben Shapiro vs Destiny on Israel-Palestine | Debate - Lex Fridman Podcast

[@LexClips]

Full podcast episode: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qorVlYCgi72shMk Lex Fridman podcast channel: kzbin.info Guest bio: Ben Shapiro is a conservative political commentator, host of The Ben Shapiro Show, co-founder of The Daily Wire, and author of The Authoritarian Moment and other books. Steven Bonnell, aka Destiny, is a liberal political commentator and a live streamer on KZbin.

[@scroopynooperz9051]

The idea that the American forces were morally superior to the Ruskies in WWII and this is why Germans surrendered to them is demonstrably absurd when you actually understand the war and even a surface understanding of history xD The German wehrmacht blindsided and invaded Russia after signing a peace deal with them... and then they proceeded to go scorched Earth while devastating every Russian city. town and village they would pass through - 19 million Soviet civilians died at the hands of the Wehrmacht when comparatively "only" 6 - 7 million Jewish folks were killed in the holocaust... though this is a comparison that is not much discussed on the mainstream. The Soviet military lost "only" about 8 million to direct military conflict and all of the rest of the staggering Soviet loss of life, was civilian and related to the Wehrmacht scorched earth policy when it came to Slavic people lol I suspect that, had Germans invaded the US East Coast and burned and marauded their way through the Midwest, they would similarly hope to surrender to Canadians should such a hypothetical invasion have gone south. Would we then presume the moral superiority of Canada? What Ben Shapiro rambles off at pace may seem insightful, even deeply intellectual at initial glance.. that is until you actually spend 2 minutes thinking about it xD

[@MrE073]

This was shameful... Ben Shapiro is a mouth piece for religious evil

[@armandiic791]

This was a pro Israel vs pro Israel debate

[@cspdx11]

It is such a riveting back and forth Zzzzzz

[@Rodrifuuu]

Yeah, seriously disgusting. They got a neoliberal right winger debating a neocon right winger and we're supposed to think this was "both sides" of the discussion.

[@sofianebenzaza]

And the dystopian debates continue. “No one wants to govern the Palestinians? “ …. Maybe they want to do it.

[@England_Is_My_City]

🤓

[@davidhoffman2311]

@@Rodrifuuu You’re in need of a reality check

[@nadjimansouri8360]

Such a heated debate !!! WoW!!! They really went on each other , this is the best pro israel vs pro israel debate I've ever seen

[@illdrumatik391]

Your sarcasm is top notch 😂 👏

[@nadjimansouri8360]

@@illdrumatik391 Thanks hhhhh

[@ormichaely2376]

Facts are pro Israel what can you do...

[@RobPires]

I typed 'Palestine debate' and this nonsense debate comes out top. Now I know who owns YT

[@MustardSkaven]

They're both intelligent, of course they are pro Israel.

[@Meh-qe4rw]

More of a think-tank session for Israel than a “debate.”

[@fr.Angel21]

This was a zionist talking with another zionist

[@paolocarl.8205]

good

[@darkonone5158]

it's almost as if they are both controlled opposition or something...

[@davidsplooge14]

​@@darkonone5158alright then whatever you say

[@darkonone5158]

@@davidsplooge14 sure thing champ

[@omarodeh3732]

Who’s next? Benjamin Netanyahu vs Alan Dershowitz?

[@CrossingRubico]

😂😂😂😂😂 FF

[@zainubumar]

😂

[@JoshSmithDeeps]

😂😂

[@jaym1979]

😂😂😂

[@mattboyer3385]

At least Dershowitz supports a two state solution, it’d be a wider debate than this was

[@Disrespectfultethering]

To be fair Desting has made it clear since the conflict that he is pro Israel so this is not a vs

[@zaidalruwaishan1915]

@@sadface7457It’s not virtuous to support genocide

[@MrGaky]

@@zaidalruwaishan1915there is no genocide, unlike in a lot of Muslim on Muslim genocide crimes

[@bumblebee.146]

​@@zaidalruwaishan1915 supporteing isreal is not supporting genocide, support ham*s however is supporting genocide

[@Gecko_Papa]

That doesn't mean that you can't disagree on some points, as shown in this debate.

[@sploster938]

@@bumblebee.146supporting israel is supporting genocide

[@jmave]

debate?? what debate?? it's like they co-authored the script for this episode.

[@davidnguyen1496]

Conservative vs liberal, and on Israel vs Palestine it’s easy to see which side is right and which side is wrong

[@elite7329]

@@davidnguyen1496 What do you mean "which side"? I only saw one side presented here.

[@wakabi2191]

​@@davidnguyen1496thank you

[@jmave]

@@elite7329 agreed

[@chubss808]

This is one 15min debate, out of them debating for a good while. You're just finding a reason to get mad

[@free_at_last8141]

There's a lot of Adderall in this room.

[@classifiedinformation960]

Thinking the same thing 😭 imagine being destiny though bro is debating with the best debater alive and lex there too there both Jews like bro should be shook I think any normal person would 😭

[@TheFunFactoryChannel]

​@@classifiedinformation960 Shapiro and destiny are both motor mouths known for arguing with teenagers and college students and they've both been greatly humiliated when debating actual scholars

[@mitchlamping530]

I need to hit up Ben Shapiro he’s got that good speed lol

[@thoughtgarden8090]

I would argue its the opposite. When people with adhd take Adderall it calms them and allows them to focus. They're already intensly active with scattered thoughts. He wouldn't be talking nearly as much. I have dual diagnosis adhd btw

[@05Maxima-j5q]

​@@thoughtgarden8090Adderall is just speed for most people. If you think these guys don't take it i have a bridge to sell you.

[@zacharyjohnson4307]

Now have Ben Shapiro debate Norman Finklestein.

[@vanavatareight5135]

Why not? Ben has already debated Dracula and the Wolfman and lived to tell the story. So why not Finklestein?

[@TheRainsRuined]

Finklestein already dodged 2 debates with Destiny. And Destiny read his book for it too. Spent whole streams debunking it. I'd rather see Destiny v Finkle

[@jl8410]

@@TheRainsRuined You keep saying this and it's literally bullshit. Destiny literally did not show up. Surprised you also didn't throw in the lie about the number of deaths on October 7 being greater than initially reported like you did in another comment, which is the exact opposite of what happened. Like I said in another response to you: 1.) Israel literally killed and shelled it's own civilians on October 7 via the "Hannibal Directive" and 2.) the total death toll on October 7 went from 1,400 to 1,200 to less than 1,000 to less than 700 (we could also point out that the beheaded babies and mass r*pe claims committed by Hamas have also been debunked). You really should just sit this one out because you haven't the slightest fucking clue as to what you are talking about. Destiny is literally the same guy who denies that Israel is an expansionist state, even though that is easily demonstrable. He hasn't the first clue as to what he is talking about. You keep saying "He read his book for it, too." Which one? Finkelstein has literally been writing on this topic for nearly four decades. LMAO

[@JoshSmithDeeps]

Thank you!!

[@joemiller1629]

Finkelstein is a moron and you are too if you are under the impression he could debate either of these guys.

[@najifahnaf6112]

Interesting to see a one sided Debate. Never witnessed something like this

[@buzzkillington1602]

And they still managed to get all things and facts wrong.

[@blazeendo3282]

Yeah Destiny won by a landslide

[@prometheus5405]

In the end Israel is a US key ally in the Middle East.

[@marcus-sky]

@@prometheus5405 Israel is your daddy 🥴

[@SimpleReally]

@@prometheus5405 "ally" that spies on you, never fights alongside you in any war (including iraq that is right next door from them), doesn't let you stage troops or have bases, and even kills your own sailors to try to pin it on another country and drag you to war. truly one the allies of all time

[@BWCheese]

This is basically a debate with only one side represented.

[@Age_of_Apocalypse]

I agree! We should have had a much "heated" debate on a subject which is really divisive.

[@RedOlympus]

Only reasonable people represented

[@kfireven]

Did these facts hurt your feelings?

[@Disrespectfultethering]

​@@kfirevenyou probably go to prayer with Ben

[@Disrespectfultethering]

@@sadface7457 no such thing as the devil, thats just something slow people like you obsess about

[@AyaanKhan-tb2ot]

If this is a debate then I’m Harrison ford.

[@richardlobo88]

No, it's a debate where both agree that Palestinian leaders are the problem.

[@LookzA]

​@@richardlobo88 You need to learn what the word debate means.

[@richardlobo88]

@@LookzA they initially came to talk about conservative and liberal views of Americas topics. When asked about Israel. They both agreed on Israel's point of view.

[@LookzA]

@@richardlobo88 exactly why your comment is stupid "it's a debate where both agree", in other words not a debate.

[@richardlobo88]

@@LookzA in this clip it's not. In the whole video it was.

[@ClipCritics]

Ben Shapiro versus Norman Finkelstein would be the ultimate debate. Completely balanced and not one-sided.

[@arcondpvp]

Bro what are your most popular videos 💀🙏

[@MustardSkaven]

They both agree a one-state solution is not an option.

[@MrCatooly]

Norman Finkelstein is a hack. An actual pro-palestinian scholar would be better.

[@chibimeee]

you think he dare to go against Dr.Norman? lol what do you expected from zionist zympathiser

[@TheRainsRuined]

Finklestein already dodged 2 debates with Destiny. And Destiny read his book for it too Spent whole streams debunking it and looking up his sources - Destiny v Finkle would be better: Destiny the 2 state and Finkle - the Oct 7 celebrating until he found out there were more deaths than he innitially realized - 1 stater

[@Blobfishkat]

Ain't no way you call this a debate

[@thafrodgod3434]

This is one of the morally bankrupt debates I've ever seen.

[@zonianfjb]

Why?

[@ioakimantonis4687]

​@@zonianfjb Because I doesn't agree with him😂

[@stefangreve7983]

@@ioakimantonis4687so you didn’t come here to learn something new, but to reinforce your existing beliefs, gotcha

[@ioakimantonis4687]

@@stefangreve7983 it was sarcasm..

[@house684]

This debate is a Zionist cesspool.

[@AJsono]

Isreal vs Isreal? great debate

[@elite7329]

I think we needed another pro-Israeli perspective in there to keep it balanced.

[@Jaryism]

Actually NEITHER, because "Isreal" isn't a country. *Israel, noob.

[@iterativegrowth]

No one is questioning with it’s real?

[@findingmyway93]

You just dont get that the pro "palestine" side is empty and full of lies thats why they use only violnce. Just for you keybord geniuses could share here your bright comments.

[@leonscott543]

​@@elite7329ya think 😂?

[@DS-lk3tx]

This is the most annoying sounding debate ever.

[@abuhaji8231]

It’s so obvious they’re on the same side like is this even a debate if they’re repeating the same talking points?

[@richardlobo88]

They are different points to the same solution.

[@trentirvin2008]

Debates aren’t always about different sides. This is pretty clearly about the path to a solution. Not who’s morally vindicated in a conflict

[@scroopynooperz9051]

Maybe Lex was threatened or something.

[@lumpyrex007]

​@@trentirvin2008 Let's all just shift that Overton window shall we?

[@trentirvin2008]

@@lumpyrex007elaborate how im doing that?

[@lemonflavouredorange7405]

They both sound like they’re on fast forward

[@ArtisanWindchimes]

They’re possessed by satanic entities

[@NicksPinoy]

When it comes to liberals vs conservatives everyone seems to enjoy listening to "opposite beliefs and thinking". This comment section shows that. If the US wants a untied country, its people need to understand that conservatives and liberals can also be very similar, those who refuse to believe this are the ones who are going to divide the country and throw it into a shit hole.

[@JoshSmithDeeps]

People are on the left in the US are majority against what these two guys are espousing. They are both just discussing various degrees of right wing Zionist talking points.

[@Roberto-de8xv]

Yeah you can't get elected in this country without placating a foreign country in Israel & the Israel Lobby. Are you just figuring out both parties are basically the same sans a few wedge issues like abortion? They all answer to the same donors & lobbyists at the end of the day.

[@lumpyrex007]

As long as we agree on Israel.

[@Roberto-de8xv]

@@lumpyrex007 Agree how? Do you mean U.S. tax payers funding socialism for Israel? An ethnostate where interfaith marriage is not recognized & they would never let you become a citizen?

[@lancecharles4623]

Two people on for a debate were the both agree about the most controversial current event. Well done lex

[@KyubiCloaks]

Because they arent really arguing they are both pro genocide

[@mbroitt]

What genocide? Of jews on 7/10?

[@suras8984]

@@mbroitt If you were in an open air prison on a land you were indigenous to, you may attack the people keeping you in an open air prison. The slaughter and controlled starvation of Palestinians has gone on way before 7/10.

[@AymanHussein-ci4cu]

so 500 civilian killed is genocide but 28,000 civilian killed not genocide? explain please.@@mbroitt

[@roykeane1922]

@@AymanHussein-ci4cuthe difference is the second is predicated on the first and therefore can largely be defended as legal in international law…and hence not genocide

[@mariogomez4864]

Bro i thought my speed was at 2x i had to double check 😂😂

[@manny__003]

I wish there was 3x😂😂

[@almondlorden]

Zionist vs Zionist debate how hard in Zionism you should go

[@theisraelig5162]

Zionist vs Zionist aka Human vs Human.

[@samson6707]

he did not imply they are not humans. just that they have a very similar ideological opinion on this specific subject

[@dankmeme67]

They are killer

[@brokenSnake]

@@theisraelig5162Zionists are human animals

[@theisraelig5162]

@@samson6707 Being a Zionist equates to being a human, if you think the Jews don't deserve one little safe haven in the entire world after thousands of years of exile, then maybe your moral compass is broken. Whether you like it or not Zionists can have big disagreements between themselves and those are still valid.

[@jaycaldwellwin1271]

I’m a black man that has visited iseral and the Palastine 3 times in the past. I have good friends on both sides. It’s very interesting to see how blinded these iseral supporters are regarding the clear atrocities that are going on in Gaza, and throughout the West Bank. And not just October 7 until now. If the shoe was on the other foot and the Palestinians were setting in Israeli homes and villages, executing civilians on the daily bombing of innocent women and children, I would would be disgusted and at them and be in full support of humanity. This is not a pro Hamas debate. These guys grandchildren will watch these video and wonder how their grandparents was in support of colonising, these peoples land and killing tens, of thousands of people.

[@dewaldt8104]

Ever read the Hamas charter.

[@jimmylee9120]

Your acting like Palestinians are victims here and have done nothing wrong 😂😂 as if they haven't been firing on average 1000 rockets nearly at isreal for 10+ years 😂😂😂 you had to say you had friends on both sides to mask your bias 😂😂your clearly another brainless pro Palestinian

[@BlackLotusxxx]

Hamas accepted the establishment of a Palestinian state separate from Israel -although only provisionally. Its statement on principles and policies said, “Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.” Second, it attempted to distinguish between Jews or Judaism and modern Zionism. Hamas said that its fight was against the “racist, aggressive, colonial and expansionist” Zionist project, Israel, but not against Judaism or Jews. The updated platform also lacked all of the anti-Semitic language of the 1988 charter. Third, the document did not reference the Palestinian Muslim Brotherhood, from which Hamas was originally an offshoot. When hamas breached the wall that day, what did they encounter first? Was it A. Military buildings? B Israel soldiers? Or C. Kibbutz' where civilians live? The answer Is c!!! Kibbutz!! All along that wall? Kibbutz. Civilians homes. Its as if they shielded themselves with civilian homes, right... And a Kibbutz is a community of homes. So right at the wall, Israel built buildings for civilians, all along the perimeter. It seems to most people, that these civilians were human shields, right? Crazy 🤪 😜 So please. Stop lying to people. Give them the 100% truth, or if you yourself didn't know about this updated charter, keep quiet. End of. 🟢⚪️⚫️🔴🤪

[@dannieee333]

thank you so much for sharing your experience, these voices sadly have been silenced and marginalised for years, especially by people like shapiro and destiny who love to be in denial

[@Corey-fq2to]

It sounds as though you don’t have a strong grasp on the history of this land. You also are trying to blame one side for defending itself against one of the worst terrorist attaches to happen in modern day.

[@joshsigala53]

Sucks they’re finally debating but on a topic where they are on the same side.

[@joshsigala53]

@@sadface7457 tf are you talking about

[@valizeth4073]

Same sides but different perspectives, as equally important.

[@SuperVALERock]

It's 15 minutes from a 2 hour 20 minute video, they actually disagree about lots of things.

[@joshsigala53]

@@SuperVALERock half of the full video was about Israel, I wonder if Lex thought Destiny supported Palestine.

[@SuperVALERock]

@@joshsigala53 They talked about Israel-Palestine between 56:28 and 1:11:25, barring the occasional mention. That's hardly half of a 2:20:04 video. They talked (and oftentimes disagreed) about lots of topics, such as marriage, American politics and Russia-Ukraine.

[@Albatros121-ji9nz]

Not a debate

[@UriyahRecords]

It's impressive how fast they are both speaking

[@honkymonkey9568]

They sound like two chipmunks chattering.

[@yourmother3207]

adderall

[@prn_97_]

i thought i was on 1.25x speed

[@jsusbdndk1362]

gish-gallopers

[@rakovsky3901]

@@prn_97_ I had to check my Playspeed to make sure it was still on 1.

[@elite7329]

It's interesting how Destiny regularly criticizes conservatives and Republicans for their borderline conspiratorial anti-institutional rethoric whenever Trump gets into trouble but sees no issue with his own rethoric whenever he castigates the UN just because Israel keeps consistently finding itself on the wrong side of international law.

[@MustardSkaven]

What is interesting is how quick people are to point out Israeli war crimes but ignore the blatant crimes of Hamas.

[@virtuosa69]

@MustardSkaven There'd be no Hamas without Israel's propping them up to begin with. Israel uses hamas, which stems from the righteous indignation of people who've been systematically pushed off their lands by force. Hamas would NEVER be a thing if the ultimate goal of Israel wasn't to consume the ENTIRETY of Palestine to call it Israel

[@jaclrossrick6327]

​@@MustardSkaventhe rapist has the same rights as the victim? Moron

[@Roberto-de8xv]

True. Two things can be bad at the same time. Hamas killing Israelis & Israel commiting a genocide is bad. However, American tax payers don't send Palistine billions, Palestine has never attacked or spied on the U.S. like Israel has, they have no lobbying groups that influence U.S. policy & elections. ​@MustardSkaven

[@hellsjamfleas]

In fairness Destiny livestreamed his research and found errors in the UNs reports (which are known by experts also but even so) . The UN also just fired some employees for being part of Hamas and the Oct 7th attacks. The UN also refused to condemn the Oct 7 attacks and only allowed it to be passed with a condemnation of Israel attached, even though they do that almost every year anyway. So they chastised Israel for an attack on their own people. The UN has a heavy bias on this issue and would admit if pressed about their mistakes.

[@ihabsultan1]

Where is the debate?

[@Werderkhaner]

Israel is not showing any signs of wanting to establish peace with a palestinian state. In the west bank, the PA has stopped putting up violent resistance even though they have an internationally recognized right to do so. If Israel wanted peace, they would remove the settlements. They could still keep the military occupation if they really think it is necessary, but they have not done that. They have done the complete opposite, which is to expand the settlements. All the palestinians get for not putting up resistance is to be subject to an apartheid system in which an american jew that has never been there can claim a palestinian house tomorrow. Israel could at least let the palestinians govern the west bank instead of expanding the settlements, albeit under occupation. There were points in time in which the majority of the palestinians wanted a two state solution, even hamas. Israel is establishing facts on the ground like expanding settlements and provoking palestinians, such that they can prevent a two state solution. the likud party literally states that they do not accept a palestinian state.

[@user-783hhss7w2oifhe]

Don't bother. People here don't care about the 'brown sand people'. Only white and white adjacent people's lives matter

[@tonyaone2069]

I had never heard anyone arguing against minimizing civilian casualties in a war, up till now, and I find it not only shocking but frightening.

[@lumpyrex007]

Overton window shaping

[@zonianfjb]

No-one argued for that. The civilian casualties are on Hamas. All of them. But you pretend Hamas doesn't exist right, it's all Israel? You're sick.

[@tonyaone2069]

@@zonianfjb wow aren't you paranoid, my comment has nothing to do with either side of the conflict, and I'm not informed well enough to choose a side, nor do I want to be.

[@yassinazarkan4207]

Then you haven't heard many people arguing

[@tonyaone2069]

@@yassinazarkan4207 to the contrary I have heard many people arguing, but as I said I never heard anybody arguing against minimizing civilian casualties, I'm sure that there may be some, and if you have examples, please provide a link.

[@mountaindew20]

the debate between one side..

[@squatch545]

@@sadface7457 Who is Naunce?

[@lumpyrex007]

Ben won't debate anyone for real

[@CalogeroAnello917]

This entire video is like 2 hours and they pretty much disagree on every political topic but this.. there’s not much to debate here other than possible solutions/strategies which they did It’s literally civilization vs terrorism

[@elite7329]

I am really happy Destiny expressed his unambiguous support for Israel's actions right before the ICJ is expected to give it's preliminary ruling on what's happening in Gaza. Definitely isn't about to look like a genocide appologist.

[@loosesurfer]

Self defence can never be genocide 😂

[@elite7329]

@@loosesurfer *Genocide can never be self-defence. There, fixed it for you.

[@loosesurfer]

it was self defence on October 7th

[@loosesurfer]

@@elite7329 we can argue all day all I know is that for every idf soldier that dies 100s of civilians and hamas fighter are killed so who's winning 🤔

[@zonianfjb]

You seriously give a shit what the ICJ pronounces? Does anyone? Would you care if it sided with Israel? Please, don't embarrass yourself.

[@Sham-zo8mu]

Bro where is the "vs" part?

[@justinmorgan7495]

Ben says "no one wants to side with the Palestinians" is a claim that supports justification of high civilian casualties. If Israelis believe Palestinians are not liked, then their deaths don't matter as much

[@Jm-wt1fs]

It’s also objectively untrue. The populations of nearly the entire region are ready to go to war right now on behalf of the Palestinians

[@ArtisanWindchimes]

Nobody wanted the gews before WWll either. Gews are projecting.

[@blueskull1119]

That's also coincides with their nonsensical argument that the people who are pro-palestine are not really Pro-palestine, but hamas supportering Anti-semites.

[@elite7329]

Remember when Ben Shapiro said "Israelis like to build. Arabs like to bomb crap and live in open sewage."

[@TheRainsRuined]

No, because it is true. They are radicalized. That is irrefutable. They have tried assassinating MULTIPLE presidents : Lebanon , Egypt , Jordon - that was connected with them. On top, ONLY Israel came up with peace talks. It's because peace is not what they want Meaning, the ONLY way you can be Pro-Palestine is if you agree with : continuing a "forever war" in order to reclaim ALL of Israel So acting like they are innocent is completely delusional

[@NEVECcommand]

This video is literally two of the most despised dudes in media making a one sided argument

[@squatch545]

Agreed. These idiots also talk so fast that I had to turn the playback speed down to 0.25

[@Pitchblue1]

​@@squatch545 These idiots thinks and speaks too fast for you to understand..? 😂 Let me guess , you either kiss the ground or started using new pronouns

[@Gecko_Papa]

Hasan watcher detected, opinion rejected

[@DE45309]

​@squatch545 hassan fan 💀

[@wilsonsanabia4259]

Cry a bit more

[@michaelkennedy5106]

Why didn't you get Norman Finkelstein to debate Ben?

[@JamieBar]

Destiny canceled his debate with Norman Finkelstein.

[@michaelkennedy5106]

@@JamieBar I didn't know that. What was the reason he gave, if any?

[@JamieBar]

@@michaelkennedy5106 So far the only explanation is that it is"postponed."

[@michaelkennedy5106]

@@JamieBar lol interesting

[@hellsjamfleas]

Norman has run multiple times from Destiny. If he thought Ben had researched him then he would run again.

[@astroboirap]

this isn't a debate

[@mk23theman85]

Get cenk Uygur on with Ben to debate this topic. It would be super entertaining

[@pantethine66]

no Norman Finkelstein or john mearsheimer

[@davidhoffman2311]

Why just so we can see him lose again like he did to Destiny?

[@llamapartyy]

Cenk would just scream at Ben

[@wcc4269]

Cenk is an emotional pubble of tears

[@Jaryism]

Destiny vs Cenk debated Israel/Palestine a few weeks ago, it was quite good I suggest watching that to get an idea... spoiler, Destiny absolutely fucking annihilated him.

[@salahaldin447]

It's like the head of CIA and the head of FBI "disagreeing and debating" what should be done to Julian Assange of Edward Snowden

[@yusufyildiz3431]

Thanks to shapiro the word hypocrit got a new definition

[@macias7125]

how

[@honkymonkey9568]

Destiny's the only person who can talk as fast as Ben. It's like two chipmunks chattering.

[@jeremyunderground41]

Brett Cooper too is a fast talker the woman in Dailywire, Ben's Coworker.

[@jaredangell8472]

As a person who lived in Israel for 7 years and holds Israeli citizenship i have to say that Destiny is talking out his ass and is absolutely clueless in this topic.

[@chrisko6439]

Had me at "minimize civilian casualties". I didn't expect much from Shapiro, but this is utter lunacy. I subscribed to this channel a couple of months ago and I start to get the feeling Lex is interviewing mostly socio- and psychopaths. Growing a bit tired of listening to these guys, I'm no prison psychologist.

[@AlternicityBlogspot]

There are always alternatives.

[@bacharbaridi]

If you look at dresden you can truely say that the british didn't minimize civilian casualties because they pretty much did indiscriminate bombings. Like the comment above me, it's all relatives, and a comparaison. Especially when you take into account that hamas is purposely taking civilians as human shields

[@rasyidizulkifli2285]

​@@bacharbaridiIsrael has been proven to use human shields, yet they keep saying Hamas has been using human shields as justification for killing all the civilians.

[@206guy5]

How much of those 20k are combatants.

[@andrewsmith7440]

This conversation on 2x speed almost gave me a stroke

[@lumpyrex007]

Don't worry, they aren't saying anything

[@abramjeylani2462]

How’s this even called debate 💀

[@ShadowKnight-kc9wi]

Why won’t Ben debate Norman Finkelstein on the matter? Is it because Norman isn’t an undergraduate?

[@hellsjamfleas]

Norman has been ducking Destiny for weeks on this. He'll find a way to weasel out the moment he realises his opponent has researched him.

[@thesugarlipslove]

what made me laugh was the fact that they both said israel were trying not to cause too many civilian casualties!

[@davidscott5266]

It's hard to get interested in a "debate" with two guys I don't respect.

[@boringname3657]

Good thing that this video wasn't uploaded just for you then

[@Gecko_Papa]

And yet you clicked lmfao

[@TheKvltPantShater]

​@@Gecko_Papa Lefties just want ways to be offended at this point.

[@santiagoc93]

Their insights on this topic aren't particularly novel or groundbreaking. They primarily echo the same opinions that have been prevalent since the beginning of the conflict.

[@Gecko_Papa]

Okay?

[@jessespence696]

I think you are mistaking the word novel for chaotic or even just contrarian. The argument for palestine is untenable and try to adopt that just to be contratain for the sake of it seems actively stupid.

[@umarshirazi2620]

Why doesn’t Ben go fight instead of sending other peoples children to fight he is a coward

[@rennyskiathitis8178]

Ben is not Israeli, and only Israelis are fighting in this war.

[@zenster1097]

@@rennyskiathitis8178 He's a Zionist. He should go fight. I think pro-Palestinian losers should too. And stop getting us involved in tribal wars.

[@richardlobo88]

Same for Hamas, why hide in hospitals and in middle of civilians ? If Hamas can use gaza civilians as human shields why should Israel hold back?

[@trentirvin2008]

He’s an American what the fuck are you on about lmfao

[@pilebunker420]

"minimize civilian fatalities", I've got what i needed from this.

[@ZeekoRamen]

They are tho. More Israeli military are dying now as a result of taking more precautions about civilian deaths. He's just said that. Not to mention the warnings they give before airstrikes.

[@lidiagizaw3828]

he's very disingenuous

[@najifahnaf6112]

​@@ZeekoRamen giving warning makes carpet bombing justifiable somehow?

[@mtp1213]

So should they not minimize civilian fatalities I’m confused by ur comment

[@zaidalruwaishan1915]

@@ZeekoRamenSo they’re giving warnings and trying to minimize civilian casualties but over 10,000 children have been killed with thousands more under the rubble? Something doesn’t add up

[@geengekken]

I don’t understand how you can say “I love all people around the world”, but then also say that you would laugh and make fun of someone being killed at a Trump rally.

[@mercurialfunk]

"Debate"

[@mgphall1]

There is no debate here, extremist Shapiro gives his biased view, twitch steamer agrees. Honestly lex you have let yourself down with your podcast Israel/Palestine. Imagine saying nobody cares about Palestine. I think you meant no American cares

[@abdulhaseebsaggu683]

What a joke of a debate.

[@omanjabbar200]

Still scratching my head how does Destiny gets qualified as a "Pro-Palestine" guy..

[@rndomproduction4563]

we living in serious times. if you listen to these 2 you left wondering where is humanity.

[@mbroitt]

Palestinian regugees? Come on, by the same logic my children and grandchildren will be Ukrainian refugees though i havent been to the country for 30 years!

[@xInsanityx100]

Should’ve had Bassem Youssef and Ben go at it instead.

[@colinreese]

Bassem would lose his cool quickly. It'd be better to have Coleman Hughes on because he keeps his cool which would enrage Bassem.

[@xInsanityx100]

@@colinreese Lmfao where have you seen Bassem lose his cool? That’s nonsense.

[@malgok9733]

​@@colinreeseBassem would destroy Ben with his knowledge calm and understanding.

[@theflipper404]

@@malgok9733 Eh, i think non-arabs and non-jews need to debate eachother on the topic. Arabs and jews are way to biased. or we can have an anti-israel jew debating an anti-palestine arab. But a pro-palestine arab debating a pro-israel jew is useless. Neither will concede to nuance.

[@pantethine66]

@@colinreese Coleman Hughes and Ben wouldn't be a debate because they both have the same ideological belief on the issues. Coleman's knowledge is very limited on this issue also. Norman Finkelstein and John Mearsheimer are two heavyweights on the issues.

[@PoshByDefault]

It was a debate. This was a snippet of the debate where they largely argeed. If these two agreeing on something isn't an indicator of the truth.. well I don't know what is.

[@elite7329]

I hold neither of these clowns in high regard. Ben Shapiro: "Israelis like to build. Arabs like to bomb crap and live in open sewage." Destiny: *unironically advocated for the ethnic cleansing of millions of Palestinians only a couple months ago.*

[@JoshSmithDeeps]

Lol they're just both pro Israel and anti Palestinian, they are basically repeating the same talking points, but Ben is just more bloodthirsty

[@blazinpyromaniac]

To Ben, israel is never in the wrong. For Destiny, his hatred towards Muslims seep into his understanding of this conflict. Not really any debate here.

[@jimmylee9120]

His hatred for Muslims? Where you getting that from? 🤣🤣 You just need to make sh*t up to justify why a liberal would be siding with isreal 🤡🤡🤡 maybe if you acctuly watched destinys full videos you would know this is a bs take. He literally knew nothing about this topic and had no bias when he started doing his research live on Twitch. You could have literally watched him res6this whole topic and then come to his conclusion. But for every Muslim you guys don't need to do any research you guys just mindlessly support Palestine. 2 billion Muslims in the world and only like 15-20 million Jews. Yet isreal still has the support of every big country 😂😂 keep coping kid

[@Freemasonshair]

2 🤡s

[@Longestspring]

Get NORMAN FINKELSTINE ON !!!!!!!!!!!! If you want the most knowledgeable person on the matter invite the best. Who cares for Destiny’s opinion anything??

[@jamesypoo1980]

Such intellectual dishonesty. Destiny shouldn’t be debating anyone on Gaza, Norman Finkelstein has offered to debate Ben Multiple Times

[@Middlew]

Norman Finkelstein has openly said he will not debate Destiny because the doesn't like his debate style. I'd call that being scared.

[@Jm-wt1fs]

@@Middlewthe idea of norm finkelstein being scared of debating destiny is actually hilarious bc it’s so absurd

[@gvd72]

Finkelstein would lose a debate so badly

[@christineblakers72]

Not on this issue

[@jamesypoo1980]

Ben Shapiro is good at debating woke college kids with blue hair. He pushes for the U.S. to go to war but none of his family will ever serve. Good job conservatives on being cucks

[@Age_of_Apocalypse]

Lex Fridman, the definition of "debate": a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward. That said, a very SOFT debate on a subject that is very, very divisive; this should have been way more interesting. 🤔

[@colamity_5000]

The debate wasn't only about Israel Palestine, finding one spot where there is relative agreement in a larger debate is fine.

[@MustardSkaven]

This is only part of a bigger debate. This happens to be a topic they largely agree on, cause they are both intelligent.

[@AymanHussein-ci4cu]

problem is doesn't matter how smart u are, if you're biased you're judgment is compromised and both are biased, one is a militant atheist who hates Islam the other is a Zionist religious jew who also hates Islam, Christopher Hitchens even though he was critical of Islam and even supported toppling radical dictatorships in the middle east like Iraq (and was Jewish), he still stood with the Palestinians, because all u have to do is dissociate yourself and your beliefs from the situation and then examine it, if u still suspect you're being biased then try to flip it the other way around, what if it was arabs who send one of their ethnic groups into Israel, started taking the land and put jews under occupation and apartheid, would people be critical of an oct 7 against a Palestinian state in that case? would they say the Palestinians have the right to defend themselves?@@MustardSkaven

[@MustardSkaven]

When you use words like "apartheid" when apartheid is impossible in an occupation you ended the conversation. Not in a good way. Define "apartheid". And explain how your definition of apartheid is a good representation of the actual Apartheid in SA.@@AymanHussein-ci4cu

[@AymanHussein-ci4cu]

"The term “apartheid” was originally used to refer to a political system in South Africa which explicitly enforced racial segregation, and the domination and oppression of one racial group by another." being under occupation and apartheid are not exclusive to one another, all the human rights groups present inside and outside of Israel and Palestine (including Israeli human rights organizations) described the state at which Palestinian live under as "apartheid", the people who themselves the word was coined after, the black South Africans, and their most prominent leader, Nelson Mandela, have also described it as "apartheid", you want an example, ill give u one, did you know that although over 90% of underground water in that region is under Palestinian territory (in the west bank), almost 87% of that water goes to Israelis while only 13% goes to Palestinians, it doesn't stop there no, Palestinians are also prohibited from pumping water themselves AND prohibited from collecting it in any shape or form even RAINWATER, good example? tell me if you need a better one there's many. @@MustardSkaven

[@buzzkillington1602]

They both managed to be wrong and sound exactly like paid mass media journalists. So called experts intellectuals lol. Impressive!

[@rasyidizulkifli2285]

Ben is linked to Mossad, so he is literally paid by Israel to spread their propaganda

[@EveryoneIsAmelak]

This was a pointless debate. Both approach the topic with the premise that Israel is somehow a good actor in the region and in general. They still see Palestinians as cattle, people w no faces or names.

[@azzwort]

These are comments for people who don't actually watch the video

[@lumpyrex007]

​@@azzwort No it's not

[@trentirvin2008]

I have shallow knowledge on the topic, i wanna say that upfront. Is there a reason the Palestinians have repeatedly turned down deals to establish a Palestinian stare that Isreal was on board with 4/5 times in the past 80 years? They’ve rejected every deal that would have secured their independence

[@EveryoneIsAmelak]

@@trentirvin2008 that’s a reasonable question to ask. The answer is because every deal they’ve been offered either had limitations on their sovereignty and/or further carved up the land that they wanted for a state. We’ve been fed this idea that they’ve turned down fantastic deals in the past, but the offers themselves were not in good faith and unrealistic. Their position has been to continue to negotiate but Israel’s rightward political lurch sent the country into the militaristic maniacal state we see now.

[@trentirvin2008]

@@EveryoneIsAmelak i’ll read more into the land partitioning of those proposals. Its hard finding helpful information about the area since the splitting of palestinian land is for some odd reason disconnected. And knowing what areas are rich or devoid of natural resources etc

[@Hummingbird25]

This is a one sided pro Israel debate. As an interviewer at least ask some tough questions Lex. Destiny do you know that vast majority of Israelis think IDF aren’t going hard enough on Gaza currently? Palestinians aren’t Hamas and Israelis aren’t the Israeli government. During times of conflict it’s normal for both sides to be contentious. So don’t just throw a stat about how Gazans support Hamas when there hasn’t even been an election since 2006. So much has happened since then. Remember that Gaza has no military and Hamas is all they have to defend themselves from Israel. So no shit they’re supporting Hamas during this genocide bc they are the only ones protecting Gazans from Israel. Israel supports Hamas bc anytime they invade, occupy and kill Gazans the support and need for Hamas increases. Hence the solution, remove Israel’s brutal occupation of Gaza. At what point are Gazans supposed to love Israel if all they’ve ever done is treat them less than human.

[@NeoShaman]

Waste of time.

[@lettherebelamp5102]

It’s hilarious when a comment section is up in arms about a video being biased but they’d shatter windows with their cheers if Abby Martin and Finkelstein sat down together.

[@kevaughnramsay9846]

EXACTLY

[@Siphakid]

There is the word ''vs''

[@bradders9743]

Top 50 comments are bot-brains who didn't watch the conversation but judged it entirely on the title.

[@samuelealessi234]

you should make a debate with both sides, otherwise it's just one side explaining their pov without really considering the opposite side of the table

[@JessicaSothcott]

3 pro Zionists isn’t a debate

[@charlesvaughan3517]

Anyone else have to check that the video wasn't speed up

[@michakaraszewski7212]

Greetings from Poland 🇵🇱 Lex! Great stuff, keep up the good work!

[@PaulPaul-bq2wk]

POLAND 🇵🇱 support 🇪🇭 FREE PALESTINE !!!

[@Pitchblue1]

​@@PaulPaul-bq2wk Free Palastine!!!! From earth 😂

[@garryjones1776]

Aaaa kuhwa polaku robaku kuhwa

[@virtuosa69]

​@Pitchblue1 As if your one-way ticket 🎟 isn't already purchased 😂😂😂

[@IPGlow]

​@@PaulPaul-bq2wkPoland support humanity and you are absolutely right, we stand with Palestine. Thank you

[@joyliniacoilinia]

That’s like putting Marx against Lenin on a debate about communism.

[@pantethine66]

I remember certain people who were persecuted and kill that nobody wanted

[@NOADIDI010]

Those people were un-wanted for being too succesful, not for being a failed, badly indoctrinated, blood thirsty society...

[@pantethine66]

@@David-xh5df with your home occupied and with no other place to go and your everyday lives controlled and dominated by the occupation with no end in sight.

[@pantethine66]

@@David-xh5df 1 stop illegal settlement in the West Bank, 2 stop settler violence against Palestinian families, 3 provide the same living standard and quality of life to Palestinians as you do to Jews.4 treat them equally under the law as you do with Jews. By doing these things the Israeli government is providing a future for the Palestinians.

[@pantethine66]

@@David-xh5df No 124 hasn't been done is the main reason why Hamas existed with the support of many of the Palestinians. here is my proofwww.btselem.org/sites/default/files/styles/1200x440/public/2021-01/202101_this_is_apartheid_eng_top_1.jpg.

[@pantethine66]

@@David-xh5df kzbin.info/www/bejne/eaCpm5Wkq9Cgh5I

[@rudolfbaresic]

What' is very peculiar is that no one brings up the refugee question. How is it possible that a tiny state lacking natural resources or strategic relevance for greater powers, has virtually no pressure to reintegrate the huge numbers of Palestinians that were ethnically cleansed 1948?

[@NOADIDI010]

Maybe because those refugees are living in the same place for almost 80 years now which make them not realy refugees. Also, they have billion dollars of funding used for terror and they have been trying to kill innocent Israelis for decades- some countrys will find it a bit unpleasant and so does Israel...

[@LittleHomieLightningtech]

centre-right vs right

[@rakovsky3901]

Centre-Right vs. Neocon hawkish far right The more hawkish side seemed to persuade the Center-Right side in the second half of the video that the Pals. didn't want peace. Part of the unstated logic throughout seems to be that the Pal. side has rejected the other side's terms, therefore the implication seems to be drawn and asserted that this means that the Pal. side doesn't want peace. In reality, one need not draw that conclusions, since the reason for rejecting the terms could be problems with the side's terms rather than the Pal side's desires on the topic of peace per se. Bonell (Destiny) seemed to try to make the contrary argument, ie. that the Isr. side kept building settlements so the Isr. side doesn't want peace either. But Shapiro seemed to respond by bringing Bonell back to Shapiro's earlier stated reasoning about the Pals.

[@pineapplewarriorz]

It’s happened. I can’t believe it’s actually happened. Everything was worth it, as it’s came to fruition. It was Destiny.

[@s257]

The reason H*mas is more popular in the west bank is because their government has been complying w Israel since forever and they haven't gotten anything in return except continuous loss of their land and lives. Israel, time and time again have shown Palestinians that being peaceful won't do them any favors, that's why march of return, UN resolutions for two states AND complete compliance w Israeli government in the west bank didn't work. They make Palestinians think that fighting back is the only option and then opress them more by using this excuse that they only know how to fight. Also, broad majority of Palestinians dont think fighting helps them lol, thats the reason various polls show that hamas (56%) never garnered the same level of popularity that arafat did when he was involved in peace talks (86%). The main reason hamas won the election was because they were not corrupt as opposed to fatah, also because the peace talks never got them anywhere. The fact that Palestinians somehow love this conflict which involves huge asymmetrical violence and continuous loss of their land is just absurd. Only Israel benefits from this ongoing conflict which is pretty obvious when we see whos continuously expanding, also the reason netanyahus a big fan of h*mas.

[@samereid4547]

08:14 you mean removed from the Palestinian homes they stole? are you serious calling this removed out of their homes? and notice how none corrected him? :D hypocrites

[@LA-84-FM]

Love seeing both sides! I’m Muslim American. I love the country. I hope Israel and Palestine can stop fighting and nobody else dies. 2024 is the year of truth!

[@Tsusajop94]

With all do respect -- I understand Shaprio, who has a career of talking about politics is someone people want to listen to regarding these topics.. But why is the other guy even 1% qualified to discuss anything at all?

[@HA-jq1mu]

Why say debate when they are both on the same side

[@rakovsky3901]

It didn't come off like a debate you are right, more like a discussion where they focused on certain issues that they tended to have different takes or interpretations about.

[@rennyskiathitis8178]

Israel/Palestine was just a small part of a much larger debate covering many other subjects. The debate was over two hours long guys.

[@najifahnaf6112]

Debate among 3 Zionists?

[@EarthStudent7]

Exactly.

[@TGuj-dh1bp]

😂😂😂 apartheid

[@jacobszekely4069]

Great to see 2 people who can think for themselves on both sides, fundamentally agreeing on Israel. So many Hamas propagandists on KZbin.

[@yacovlevi]

Who said it was a debate?

[@sandwarrior5579]

If you want a DEBATE on this matter, then you should have Norm Finkelstein vs Ben Shapiro. Although I doubt that Shapiro will agree to that

[@-ruzh24244]

You don’t understand the Normal Finkelstein is nothing but a sociopathic obnoxious manipulator that distort facts?

[@JoshSmithDeeps]

Thank you!!

[@Jaryism]

Actually the opposite, Ben would accept that easily. Finkelstein (you can see the vid clip on YT) ducked Destiny, Finkelstein actually responded on some random nobody's podcast and made up some bs reasons strawmanning Destiny like he's just some "KZbin gotcha debater", like he's not a serious debater, however admitted he knew literally NOTHING of him which is hypocritical and hilarious.

[@jepper6140]

@@Jaryism Destiny is a carpet cleaner turned twitch streamer. He is not a serious character. I watched the YT video with Norman and I did not come away thinking that he was scared of the carpet cleaner Destiny. It seems debating destiny is low on the priority list for him. Additionally, Norm has literally said in videos on YT that he would gladly debate shapiro as shapiro has a larger audience. kzbin.infoDbrxPRITJSQ here is the proof

[@Jaryism]

@@jepper6140 Ok clearly your'e an idiot. But We have no idea if he reached out or not, you have one clip of him calling him out. And I gotta ask... wtf are you babbling about Destiny being a "carpet cleaer", I have no idea where you get this ignorant shit, he's never held that profession he went to music school in college and became a pro SC2 gamer, then transferred into streaming, he was probably one of if not the first full time professional streamers 14 years ago to do this.

[@Dohrann]

I thought Ben would break into a rap bar multiple times, 10/10 was dissapointed

[@megatronusorionpax4900]

They should've got Marc Lamont Hill to debate Ben Shapiro to have someone truly educated on what's happening on top of actually being Pro+Palestine

[@JoshSmithDeeps]

Thank you!

[@joshuaiosevich3727]

I don’t think he’s too sharp, he argued that war is the collective punishment of a people. This falls to a reductio ad absurdum via my favorite tool, compare it to world war 2 and watch the narrative of collapse.

[@Lord_Pilaf]

Now I want to see a Richard Spencer vs David Duke debate

[@sapereaude616]

This is not a debate at all. Shapiro vs Finklestein.

[@mahirbarghash9197]

This is not a debate. They are both having a conversation and agreeing on everything.

[@jasonborotra4208]

Why in their right mind would they want to make peace with a country illegally occupying their land?

[@dolev7839]

😂 clown

[@salmanm6809]

Bro couldn’t stop his laugh 1:49 “attempting to minimize civilian casualties” 😂

[@kamotorosyan1106]

What a disgraceful "debate".

[@shekelthepersianprince7]

I really appreciate both sides being level headed and not extreme. That leads to a truthful conversation which is hard to find these days