Monster Hunter has a Cheating Problem - Karl Jobst Reaction

[@a-a-ron8162]

The fact Deva stated he did it for content is literally saying I cheated for money

[@sabotagefate69]

Facts

[@DaShikuXI]

That is why most of these people cheat. Cheating leads to better times, which leads to more prestige, which leads to more exposure, which then leads to direct financial gains as content creators. It's about money. When people ask "why would he do this", the answer is money 99% of the time. occasionally you see people cheating just for the prestige, but most of the time it's money.

[@ninjafrog6966]

which isn’t even true because he has runs uploaded to the official leaderboards that aren’t legitimate runs

[@MatthewHerman-xx8bw]

Deva said he has no one to look up to. He’s a fucking sociopath

[@Avellar3000]

@a-a-ron8162 He did it because the game is more popular than ever, and people want to watch. As the audience and fan base for the game has grown, it has drawn in these types of people that will exploit it to get views.

[@DarkHeroCC]

This really hurts the speedrunning scene and casts a shadow of doubt over all the PC players runs, which is a big shame

[@Darkwarp1994]

Honestly to me darkhero players like these guys give massive disrespect to fans of the series in general not just pc but I will admit that I does effect pc players more then the other platforms *Edit* and now that I think about it it will start to effect other platforms when wilds comes out cause it going to have cross play

[@Viceur-xh4gz]

Imo cheaters and people with mods should just be force to play singleplayer

[@siduxjxhdgzhdjxhxuuxxyhgg1079]

​@@Viceur-xh4gz as a mod user i agree. Some mods only permit other users of it to play together so that could work too.

[@thisisnttaken]

The unfortunate part is that Deveste was and is actually a very good player and a speed runner, but decided to cut corners undisclosed. I think at worst it should just be clearly stated if the run is modded because only with someone with the trained eye will realize something is off, plus it’s just disrespectful to the speed run community

[@Darkwarp1994]

@@StormyWeathery ok so they are giving us an option that eases my mind a bit but I'd feel better if it was expanded to just you can pick what platforms to crossplay with cause I got a few friends on ps5 that want to play with me on wilds cause I'm on xbox

[@thefadedhero9824]

Whenever I was struggling with a monster I'd go on KZbin to see how other players handled it. I'd always run into these crazy speedruns.. and think "I can't even kill this monster, and it's barely fighting back against this guy.." Makes me wonder just how many of these epic runs I was comparing myself to were cheated..

[@unlimited971]

I remember in heat of kulve taroh chase i watched one. Real deal. Also put me on optimised route with kt. Also by that timz i optimised my inventory management and start piling load outs. Sweet grinding

[@zulzineloso7531]

Pretty much every time i fought rajang i felt that way how these guys get rajang to behave meanwhile my rajang on steroids jumpin around combo whomboing me into oblivion every time. I had to build a healer build and use a signal for help

[@Glenningway]

When I fight Alatreon, he moves around a ton and is faster than most of these speedrun videos have. I've caught a couple speedrunners not get flinched while they clutched on their body when it yells despite not having earplugs.

[@wamxxxxxx]

@@Glenningway ever heard of rocksteady mantle?

[@xDakos]

@@Glenningway you know u can dodge/counter dragon shouts with any s even with a simple role

[@Revonlieke]

Saw this from miles away to be a thing when people started to complain about the RNG nature of getting a close spawn on the monster. People were already forced to reset runs because they didn't get the perfect spawn, so it immidietely rang alarm bells that people would use cheats to make that the default. Here we are now, cheaters cheting even more than that and ruining the entire reputation of any speedrunner in the community in the process.

[@sabotagefate69]

The problem is once you allow any modding of the game to force certain situations you've completely lost any argument against all mods if you want to be consistent and logical. The mh world did this to themselves

[@Revonlieke]

@@sabotagefate69 Yes, but there is also a lot of good the modding community does to a game. MHWorld is alive today still partially because of the mods, just like how Skyrim is still a game people go back to and play. Cheaters will always cheat even when modding is not possible directly. You can look no further than earlier MH games where custom quests were still done and people gave out god talismans to legitimate players through those. Even if a game completely blocks any modification of game files, cheaters will find a way and it just becomes harder for people to investigate if cheating was at play at that point.

[@DaShikuXI]

@@sabotagefate69 That's why in many cases speedrun communities run votes to decide on which mods are allowed or not. For example in the Windwaker speedrun, runners are allowed to use cheats to skip the very lengthy intro cutscene of the game. This makes resetting for WR attempts a lot more bearable as you're not spending the majority of your time looking at the same cutscene over and over. Another example is Minecraft runners using a mod to generate multiple worlds at the same time, and then picking one of them to run. This also serves to make resetting less of a time waster. This only really works though if a game has a close knit community where you can have these sorts of votes, and can hold each other accountable to the results.

[@Tory-JJ]

Yep

[@Deymetrey]

@@sabotagefate69 bad take

[@bugweasel]

man screw Deva's justification. no matter which way you slice it, he marketed it as legitimate so there's no excuse

[@kittentacticalwarfare1140]

There is a reason why none of these super popular YT runners, ever participate in the official MonHun cons speedrun Arena Quest contests.

[@ranting8677]

@@kittentacticalwarfare1140 nah tsc compete in monster hunter championship and won the USA one

[@kittentacticalwarfare1140]

@@ranting8677 these aka the cheaters, read G reeeead lol

[@KalaXIV]

TSC has it own set of issues​@@ranting8677

[@RadbatDa]

I was on sos call one time, Fatalis special assignment. Another guy joined and he one shotted it. Man he robbed that guy of experience of a lifetime.

[@unlimited971]

Had the same. Dude ruined my first kill. Banned . Reported. I was amgery. I was rage that day. Didn t touch the loot until i defeated the beast 2 days later. Scum is scum. This guy is lucky. Remember that occurence when you have to say " it s just a game"? Well on that day , if ever i met the person who did that....

[@kingknightisbestknight7398]

Wish that guy showed up in mine instead I hate that thing with a passion

[@bostonarchie3194]

@@unlimited971 lol

[@MatthewHerman-xx8bw]

Cheating equals small penis

[@marleene]

Happen to me and instantly Alt+F4.

[@withoutwarmth]

I remember cheating in mats in monster hunter because i thought some of the events were over and would never return (such as saafi’jiva and kulve taroth) so i could make armor and weapons, I didnt know at the time it would rotate in and out. But cheating to make a monster easier just defeats the purpose of the game, at that point why even play the game.

[@gustavoKarion8972]

I did that once to get the Ice Charge Blade from Kulve, because the event was almost over, that was the only CB I was missing from Kulve and I thought the event was ending for good. Did not want to risk a burn out trying to get a single weapon that I thought would not come back. If I knew it would rotate I would have not done that. Also agreed, what is the point of playing if the person is gonna cheat to defeat a monster? It is basically a confession of lack of ability to improve and laziness

[@riemaennchen]

Yeah on my second playthrough of Rise I used a mod to get slightly more material drops. Its like 2 or 3 drops more per Quest on average. I wanted to play through the story again but with how cursed my luck for Golden Almudron Orbs was on my first playthrough I just wanted it to go a little bit faster the second time.^^

[@moonrabbit2334]

I have always used more monster drop mod because I don't like to grind and I don't have time and I only play offline. But it's a delicate balance because you might start losing interest in the game altogether if you mod too much

[@razxephon4873]

done the same in world and rise as a way to transfer console progress onto PC

[@DaShikuXI]

​@@moonrabbit2334 To ensure that balance, you have to identify for yourself what makes the game worth playing, and then make sure you do not ruin that with mods. For me I really like making a huge variety of builds with all of the different weapons types in the game. I love theory crafting and then putting those theories to the test. However I first need all of the decorations, materials and money needed to actually test and adjust these builds. Farming these can take forever, especially things like decorations in World which have some brutal rng. I will eventually just cheat those in so I can actually focus on creating builds, which is the main thing I enjoy. I would never use any mods that ruin the building and theory crafting process of the game, because then i would have nothing left to enjoy. I would gladly use mods that give me easy access to materials however, because grinding materials has no value to me.

[@robertboring6277]

Karl Jobst said something in his Dream cheating video something along the lines of "Speed runners don't cheat to get a faster time, they cheat to get a faster time faster". Since a a lot of speed running is so RNG heavy, you are just basically re-rolling the dice each time you do a run, so trying to get a perfect run for hundreds of hours and not getting the perfect roll drives speed runners insane so they just manipulate the RNG to get the perfect run easier. I never been a huge speed runner but that line stuck with me for some reason. EDIT: Not trying to defend cheaters by any means I love watching these cheaters get caught. But the psychology behind it I was interested in.

[@herusetiawan5399]

Not the case of this one though since the scenario is legit impossible even if you do 1000 runs/rerolls.

[@johndiddilyjoe6258]

He's been saying that for years, not just the dream video. It's happened in so many different games and genres. This one is a bit different as the RNG was manipulated in a way that made it not just mathematically improbable but literally impossible to occur in normal gameplay.

[@JeanKP14]

The saddest thing is every single speedrunner that cheats is already talented. They have the ability to get real good times, but they don't want to put in the effort to achieve them legit. It's really sad.

[@Kazia0002]

@@JeanKP14 well the issue is if they earn money from it it’s possible they NEED the speedrun to happen. Else they would have to get a sidejob if the video isn’t ready at a certain time

[@synckar6380]

@@Kazia0002 Nobody looking to make money off of speedruns would rely on YT video revenue. PBs are never looked at and the WR run can go viral but immediately forgotten once the next WR is out. The best way to make money is from tournaments and bounties, which don't exactly need a WR, just a fast enough time and if you get caught, you would have to return the prize money anyway. Streaming is the next best option, and it's the most popular. Once again, no real reason to cheat for cash when the grind is now monetized.

[@nothingtoseehere9648]

Deva claiming to be the #1 Monster Hunter Speedrunner in the world "factually" is quite egotistical, he is certainly on his high horse Seeing him cheat really isn't shocking because it's always the best players that cheat since they can cover it up better

[@Zulban48]

I have difficulty respecting people who have no ability to be even just a little bit humble. Maybe because this isn't the first story I've heard about where an overly egotistical person brags about being so great when he really turns out to be a big fat liar.

[@AysarAburrub]

@@Zulban48 Michael Jordan never claimed to be the GOAT even though the entire world knows it. Anyone feels the need to say "im the best" is definitely NOT the best. These people just they have big egos that they need to stroke but cant do it legitimately, so they resort to either cheating, or boasting about how supposedly great they are.

[@bighova09]

@@AysarAburrub Horrible take. Michael Jordan is NOT EVEN CLOSE to being humble lmao. He’s legit a narcissistic sociopath but that’s what gave him his crazy competitive edge.

[@AysarAburrub]

@@bighova09 where did i say he was humble? … i just said he never said or claimed that he was the GOAT.

[@bighova09]

@@AysarAburrub He’s definitely laid claim to the title. There’s the 6 ring Gatorade commercial. One of his NC speeches to the athlete progam. Various rappers have said he’s the most obnoxious mf they’ve ever come across in public, believing he’s too good to even speak

[@Cuintus]

I was shocked hearing this from Deva. I unsuscribed to him. I am astonished that he has an interview stating "I am the best, I don't have an equal, it's depressing not having anyone else to look up to, I can't get better", when he is cheating....

[@filmjkk]

Dude is so insecure, probaby has a brother in real life with an actual job lol

[@JeanKP14]

Multiple cheating speedrunners act like this. Like they're at the top and can't improve which is bizarre because ANYONE can ALWAYS improve, even a record holder on a really tight run.

[@RubberDuckky123]

Deva probably would have those screenshots so that if one of those people beat his times, he would be like "nah I have proof this guy has edited the monsters AI"

[@matthewcharles9813]

Or just black mail to come close but never beat his record.

[@TheHeftyHamster]

“I’m in my prime and my prime is not that good” man I felt that line.

[@Arkyuu]

My pals and I have discussed this long ago regarding another MH content creator. The moment we learned that there are ways to modify monster behavior, spawn location, stagger values. We immediately lost interest in following them because there's no freaking way of telling anymore which ones are legitimately lucky or just altering the game files to get good runs

[@vxdroid32]

If people want to do those theoretically possible speedruns, they should just label it a tool assisted speedrun

[@rept7]

33:15 I feel so seen. This is the mindset that makes me not enjoy MMOs to a point that I'm literally better off with MonHun for my community driven PvE fix, than I would be with an *actual* MMO. Also I just hope Wilds figures out a solution to prevent cheaters from playing with people that don't.

[@Zulban48]

The funny thing is whenever I tried to explain Monster Hunter to people before World came out I would say that it's an "MMO Lite" because it has quite a few similarities to an MMO, including the grind, 'RNGesus', and area attacks that are broadcast by a big red circle/cone on the floor (Monster Hunter just doesn't show you these, relying on animations instead, or they make them diegetic such as Kirin's lightning attacks).

[@digital-underworld]

man those people really don't know what mmo lite is then because i'm pretty sure RNG drop rates and grind are just part of the looting experience in games broadcasted attacks are just normal in games in general

[@sevirakalau2171]

Im fine with hp bars as an option in mh and damage numbers as an option some people enjoy/prefer that. personally the only time I used the hp bar mods was when I went to help people with fatalis and extreme behemoth. Many people needed proper call outs and an understanding of thresh holds to preform. and while I could do it from feeling i would find myself subconsciously preparing for an attack without saying anything about it just because it was an innate feeling to me. But with the health bar I could get that feeling, look up at the health and confirm "Ah ok yes I really was correct" and then call it out.

[@MintTastic]

Ima be real with you capcom anti cheat is awful you can mod pc so easily that a baby could do it on my return to world play through I didn’t want to grind guiding lands for materials to get augments no bs in 5 minutes I had every item in game and could buy a infinite amount(mind you I didn’t do everything just mats for augments) you could also just click a download and boom your greatsword does 10,000 damage not saying I approve it but modding now a days Is so easy and accessible you can’t really stop it and if it’s a game like Elden Ring with easy anti cheat you just throw a ini file where the anti cheat is at and it stops it…basically I’m saying you can’t stop it BUT world only really had that problem near the end of its cycle where the game was not getting as much updates as least from what I know transmog was and still is massive same thing with hunter pie which is a hud overlay.Just play wilds when it releases and it shouldn’t be filled with mods off rip but that’ll be a check nexus when the demo releases to see how serious people will mod wilds when it releases

[@tsjeriAu]

27:30 Obviously he has the screenshots for insurance. If other cheaters are going to out him as a cheater, they are far less likely to do it if they themselves will also get outed.

[@ess99_]

It's really sad and annoying that this is even a thing. It really damages the speedrunning community. When I see a good speedrun I now don't know if they're real or not - it loses it's wow factor.

[@Darkwarp1994]

@@ess99_ honestly this is just the speedrun end of the whole mh community I'm 100% sure it more wide spread outside of it to in mh and it concerns me greatly given wilds is going to have cross play and while it said you can turn it off my concern is still there for the players that want to experience playing with other players on other platforms on mh

[@crimsonfricker]

stop being such a sad boy. people have been cheating in games since the dawn of time. this will not damage the speedrun community.

[@marcosobiech7566]

I would imagine the screenshots were made to ensure non of his ,,customers" threw him under the bus without him being able to bite back

[@valerius9751]

Saying "I have screenshots of players asking for the cheat, but I wont out them" is some truly sociopathic behavior. It's obvious he planned(or plans) to use them for extortion. That coupled with his cocky attitude whilst cheating is just appalling. Deva has completely ruined his reputation.

[@Rexhunterj]

He's chinese ,most of the chinese players I interact with are like him.

[@Harbinger421]

The cheaters get views and youtube gives them money. Until they get caught

[@VadeInSpiritu]

That Deva dude... what a loser. Ruining other people's achievements, hard work, and fun just for some content.

[@rainbowkrampus]

"Is it really this bad?" Given that most of the things we do as a species are in some way tied to status seeking within the group. And, given that social media is built with gamifying the social process as a fundamental component of its design in order to keep people on the site. Yes. This sort of thing is inevitable. Innate tendencies towards status seeking coupled with malicious design meant to prey on our status seeking tendencies means that, so long as nothing changes, you should expect this kind of thing to ramp up until it is no longer physically possible to improve on the cheating methods. It's an arms race. But not between cheaters and non-cheaters.

[@quipsilvervr]

100% agree. I learned a long time ago that the second I use any form of cheat or big exploit, I immediately lose all interest in the game. If cheating becomes too widespread, it casts doubt onto any form of accomplishment in the game, which can crumple it's community pride in their efforts. As far as I'm concerned, cheating takes any accomplishment away from the individual, and has no real benefits outside of them knowing they had to cheat to beat a game and therefor there was no real point in playing it due to satisfaction of success isn't in the equation. EDIT - That UI mod is ridiculous. If somebody uses that, I wouldn't count any special achievement to be done fairly. I'd rather quit from not being able to beat the game than cheat, because the second I cheat, the game is forever wrecked for me, whereas if I don't cheat, I can go back and try another time.

[@nicjolas]

would you consider using transmog too far?

[@DaShikuXI]

Satisfaction is a very personal thing though. You might not feel satisfied when cheating, but other people do. Different people have different goals and motivations to do the things they do.

[@matthewcharles9813]

When I cheat/mod single player games or coop games (only with friends) a lot of times it's to help role play. Example: sekiro. I tried my hardest but can't beat the game. So I did the mod where you can revive unlimited times, not just once. This helped me enjoy the game in a lore way. I kept dying but just kept standing back up. It made it a really fun new experience. Also changed the character model. This robs you of the normal overcoming a challenge but it just made it a new game for me.

[@xIQ188x]

Which accomplishments get taken away exactly? We’re talking about video games. Do you mean like your trophies get taken away or what?

[@skullkraken_resurrected9857]

​@@nicjolaswell in single player do whatever you want, make monster easy, hard, on multiplayer level etc.

[@GoatSays]

I'm pretty much of the same opinion as you. I've only cheated in single player games a few times. Mostly when I feel like they're too grind and if I don't I know I'll get burnt out before finishing. Like I cheated in MGSV because the idea of having to wait real life time to unlock new weapons was ridiculous.

[@MrRenanHappy]

I mean who the fuck cares if you cheat in a singleplayer game

[@matthewcharles9813]

​@@MrRenanHappyyou'd be surprised how many people flip out for single player cheating. It's really stupid.

[@gunzkiller101]

@@matthewcharles9813 tbh I don’t think it’s stupid, it just people and myself don’t understand why you buy the game just to not really play it. I get some cheats are fine like skipping ridiculous materials grinds but for some that cheat to the point of one shot everything is getting absurd.

[@matthewcharles9813]

@@gunzkiller101 for me it's used on replays or modding to add more play time out of it. A lot of people also like tailoring their experience to their mood. Sometimes I don't want a challenge on a playthrough and then another playthrough I want a challenge. How I used to play the original StarCraft games.

[@gunzkiller101]

@@matthewcharles9813 that seem fine for multi play-through. I’m was referring to people that play the game once just to beat the game. Cause had my experiences dealing with some people that just mod their way to beat the game and stop afterward. Or worse people using cheats for competition or titles.

[@Lexgamer]

Also, the "I'll out them," line is 100% proof that he feels what he (and others) do is wrong. If it wasn't, what is there to "out"?

[@Zaedyma]

Honestly, As someone who played monster hunter world, since day 1 of console release (i was 13 at the time and had no PC or access to pc for a few years), originally starting on xbox and then playing on ps4. i had a combined save total of maybe- 10-15? Just due to my enjoyment of the game. Once iceborne dropped i went back to play on xbox for my original save, and beat all the way through fatalis. while having 2 saves on ps4 in iceborne and one of them beating icebornes story. I got my pc not long after i turned 18, around december 2022. I immediately bought monster hunter world and rise (with it being my least preferred one). Due to me playing through monster hunter world a bunch on console and beating the entire game, i decided it was fine if i used mods to speed up my playthrough on pc, as i was by no means a skilled player. on console my hunts in Master rank, would always be around 15-25 minutes. I got carried away and cheated throughout the entire savefile, which did make the game boring ill admit now ive done everything. Also i never went online with that save. I always played solo. so i never ruined anyone elses gameplay. (im mostly a single player person anyway :/) After watching this video, it sparked me to go through all of monster hunter world and iceborne with no mods on my pc, to redeem my cheating ways. For the first video ive seen from you, I really enjoyed it, great video, and ill most likely watch some more of your videos. :)

[@ShivaX51]

I feel like money is part of it as well. I assume they are monetizing the runs.

[@HerEvilTwin]

Without a doubt. I bet they’ve earned a considerable amount, not to mention all the attractions these videos bring to their channels. Earning them more subscribers and such

[@DaShikuXI]

Money is the biggest part of it.

[@MatthewHerman-xx8bw]

Cheating=small penis

[@Avellar3000]

@@ShivaX51 of course! Their is a bigger audience for MH now than it has ever had. That's why people like this have been drawn in to cheat and profit.

[@Rexhunterj]

This particular guy was streaming in China and likely printing money off of it. China has a huge issue with cheating (and crime, go figure) because half of the population lives in abject poverty (first world class poverty too, real sad) and cannot get a real job, they cheat in video games because there's tons of dumb, wealthy people who love to donate to their favourite 'celebrity'

[@MasutaMJ]

Just don't cheat on Wilds when crossplay is active. I don't want to limit how I play especially when friends are playing on different platforms.

[@MrEstampilleur]

I agree but hopefully those gamers are a minority, so expect to see 1 cheater over 90 honest player, equivalent of 10 hunt with random.

[@Zoultaker]

@@MasutaMJ has crossplay been confirmed? 😮

[@AntonioCunningham]

I fear thats going to be a problem. Its why I'm probably going to play solo. PC players don't see modding that they do as cheating so the chance of running into a player is higher than I'm comfortable with. This is why I don't want cosplay. It has its negative too.

[@truonggiangla9721]

well we can turn crossplay off

[@MasutaMJ]

@@Zoultaker a while ago. 2025 we united

[@inlinefreestyle1158]

It's the same people who made build videos with insane decorations at such an early stage..the people who "don't have time to wait for rng" Hope this spreads awareness to the viewers so they don't go to these channels for monster hunter wilds in the future.

[@HenriqueRJchiki]

people with full maxxed builds 1 week into the game 🤣🤣🤣🤣 "just get lucky bro"

[@CIements]

I have less of a problem if it is actually obtainable in game

[@manuelito1233]

@@CIements tbf, it is, it just takes wayyyyyyyy too much time.

[@m__two9829]

My first alatreon kill was ruined by a cheater that one shot it

[@Darkwarp1994]

@@m__two9829 had that with an alatreon hunt to back in mh tri but that maybe the only difference compared to your experience cause they threw a rock at it and the dragon died

[@Realblack_m0nster]

F in chat

[@CyberBoy7703]

That's rough buddy

[@yetanotherrandomguy3157]

Now I feel validated in choosing to do my first kill of each monster solo. Though I started with Rise, so the fights haven't been too hard.

[@prettyboyvolf3364]

Ah yes. Takes me back to my Tri hunting days. Those hackers were worthless coz I’d be stuck never getting my skypiercer thanks them

[@Oficial_Mithin]

There's always the argument that cheaters will ALWAYS made that "I'm doing this for fun and for myself" that falls apart the moment people notice that they tried to sold these runs as legit, honestly, is disgusting

[@tanhongyi7180]

I remembered when Rise was released on PC there was a debate against certain speedrunners for using mods to bypass talisman melds to their desirable stats. Speedrunning is always about overcoming the rng. The moment when speedrunners decided to justify tampering the files to overcome rng that is built in the game, I lost all my profound respect of their past achievements. There is no point trying to segregate them into "modded categories", because it defeats the spirit of what speedrunning is. Dedicated speedrunners can spend years trying to get their WR on decade-old games such as Tetris, and that game employs sophiscated planning to overcome its rng. I was often baffled how some speedrunners could stagger the monster into permanent downtime, and I'd always wanted to believe that it's achievable. But it's just muddled with doubt.

[@maxmustermann3938]

@@tanhongyi7180 there are different speed run categories. If you're doing something like a fresh character speed run to the final boss, then yea, talisman RNG is part of the run and that's it. It you're just doing a specific quest or monster in isolation and trying to speed run that, then no, nowhere in that category should your talisman RNG that exists completely outside of that speed run be relevant, or whatever grind you had to do to get there. Its completely beside the point. Whether someone cheated a item that can be obtained legit or not doesn't matter in that context.

[@Gilarack]

33:53 I turned off damage numbers a long time ago because at some point I realized that chasing the meta made the experience of playing MH worse for me.

[@elizabethhicks4181]

I do think damage numbers was one QOL change that had a huge negative impact on the game. There’s always been a meta, but now people try to enforce it much harder

[@theorangeman9147]

Personally, I'm a big numbers guy, I like to know what I'm working with, what I'm up against, and whatever formulas I'm able to find, plug in, make up, etc... Especially with games like modern Monster Hunter, but I do agree on this, least in terms of the bigger picture.

[@ManlyPicnics]

I briefly used the overlay mod when I was grinding crowns in World/Iceborne, because I got tired of trying to stand next to monsters and get accurate measurements, being able to look at the monster's overlay and see if it was a crown or not was so much faster. I still fought all those crown monsters legitimately, and it is the sole reason why a majority of monsters in that game I have 60-100 hunts against, with a few being 100+. When Rise came around, I got it on Switch and didn't have access to those mods, so, I went back to simply measuring the monster with my hunter, and got all the crowns for 100% completion there as well. Every game I pray Capcom gives me an in-game tool that isn't my hunter to measure sizes. Like, let me look at a Monster through the Binoculars and have it tell me the size and if it is considered a Crown Size, even if it doesn't say specifically gold or silver, just say something like 'large crown' or 'small crown' or even just a little emblem next to the measurement saying it's a crown. I'm gonna grind the crowns regardless for that sweet, tasty 100%/Platinum (even though I'm on PC) so ways to speed that up would be nice. With all that being said, I absolutely do not want those ass overlays on my screen in the game, it is cluttered and detracts from the hunting experience, same as DPS meters which people seem to beg for as well. Why do you need to know who is doing the most damage? The monsters dead, there's no bonus for being the top damage dealer. I'll never understand people trying to make a fun cooperative game into some kind of serious competition.

[@Avellar3000]

There have been cheaters way back in my PSP and Wii days of playing Monster Hunter. This isn't anything new and is NOT the result of the game coming to PC. The reality is the game has simply become more popular and more people are using it as a platform to grow views. Cheating just comes along with that. The more people are interested in the game, the more obvious and numerous the cheaters are. I hate people trying to blame just the platform as a reason when it's far more than that.

[@ninjafrog6966]

it is the platform though. people did cheat back then, but it wasn’t nearly as widespread as it is now. it’s far easier to modify the game on PC than it is every other platform. i’m sorry, but it’s the truth. the game being on PC is the reason behind the cheating epidemic in monster hunter. you can deny it all you want, but it’s the truth

[@Avellar3000]

@ninjafrog6966 it's popularity over platform. There wasn't as many cheaters back then because, frankly, there weren't that many of us playing the game. There was that big reason to cheat. NOW, with the game having a MUCH bigger audience and people being able to profit off of "success" runs, cheating is more widespread. It's pure numbers, that's it. Does PC make it a bit easier? Yes, but if the game was still niche, then no one would care enough too cheat.

[@Darkwarp1994]

@@Avellar3000 ok im being the middle ground here both you and ninjafrog are both right in your views yes this has been gone on long before mh got put on pc but at the same time it doesn't change the fact it's gotten much worse cause of the fact pc makes it way easier to do all of this cheating and hacking popularity is just one part of the problem mind you it's an unfortunate problem that comes with it in my view cause I want to see monster hunter do well and have others experience the fun and challenge that the series brings

[@ninjafrog6966]

@@Avellar3000 yeah and the majority of these people play on PC because it’s much easier to develop cheating software for PC. i’m sorry you don’t want to accept it, but the cheating epidemic in monster hunter is because of world coming to PC. the majority of the player base plays on PC

[@Avellar3000]

@ninjafrog6966 the platform makes it easier but it is not the driving reason. Sorry you cannot see the reality of the situation and that greed is driving the demand for cheats, not the platform.

[@nackedsnake1]

The problem is not "Cheating", it's "profit from cheating meanwhile ruining others experience".

[@varelasensei]

There's cheating in console too, it's not nearly as common because it has a more complicated barrier to entry, but it exists. I stopped playing MH on PC because there's just too many cheaters and elitists.

[@elizabethhicks4181]

Elitists are a huge issue in MH now. I remember back in MH4U how rare it was to come across someone who was being a massive dick that it would always shock me when it happened. The vast, vast majority of people were super nice, and it really inspired me to “pay it forward,” I spent a lot of time towards the end of that game’s life going into underpopulated low and high rank halls and pulling out my old equipment from that rank and just helping out, giving occasional pointers if people needed any. Now adays I pop into the average MHWorld hall and I feel like I can’t join most quests because I’m not literally sweating my ass off each hunt. And I’m not like, awful at the game either! My first Ala kill was a solo! But heavens forbid now if I rock up to a public quest in funny armor with a Lance just to have a good time!

[@razgrizgaming]

This is what killed world for me in the end. It hurt me in rise too. At the end of the day I'm so worried about Wilds too since I'm primarily a pc player now. I hate mods tbh.

[@yura37]

he mentioned it in the video, but some runs get millions of views. whatever you were saying about clout or competitiveness doesnt come close as a motivation when compared to how much money these people can make posting fake/cheated runs as real. whenever money comes in to the picture, integrity is often thrown out the window.

[@roylee8114]

Man, this "for clout" culture has ruined this generation. That deva guy knew exactly what he was doing. That's precisely why he didn't put it in the title of his vids. Then he says a lot of people do it as a justification. It's not even a pvp game... you are just cheating yourself and the community. If you have to cheat for "content," are you really enjoying the game? If you are making content for a game that you don't enjoy playing, then isn't it for "profit"? It's going to be for "educational purposes" next 🤣🤡

[@shagaru-9]

I hope wilds will be safe, due to cross play it could be fatal if disgusting cheaters make it through.

[@manuelito1233]

Safe from cheating speedrunners? Nope. Safe in multiplayer between PCs? It might be as bad. I think playing in Crossplay to avoid cheaters might be the way. But you face the off chance of being kicked if they suspect you of cheating.

[@shagaru-9]

@manuelito1233 Speedrunning isn't really cheating. it's just abusing mechanics and bugs, ...i just don't get the Joy of cheating. Why would anyone want to do it. Well I do get it but that's pretty sad.

[@adsventuresome7511]

Mods should probably be banned from speed runs. The chance of forgetting you have them on, or lying about them, is too much of a non-zero issue that I don't know why leaderboards tolerate them.

[@agus5966]

I remember cheating in 4u to get gogmazios and sah dalamadur weapons early The funniest thing is, I was so bad at the game that it barely even helped me

[@supersonicgamerguru]

I think that to combat this the MH community should make a tool to verify an unmodded game, and add a "set pattern" category for those who don't want to deal with RNG. They can either vote on a pattern, or have the runners try to fully optimize for the best pattern on each weapon, and include their chosen pattern with the run submission. For the main categories, require that the runner submit a full session that starts with some process that can certify that the game is unmodded, and they must include all of their attempts from that session, and provide additional sessions at request for probabilistic analysis.

[@matthewcharles9813]

People do this for money and fame without care for integrity. ( Millions of views leads to ad revenue) Then trying to defend themselves saying it's content so it shouldn't matter was just disgusting.

[@Evilta]

I'm not even in the speed running scene but even I am legit confused over why anyone would do this??? Like, just as a monster hunter player. Pretty much the entire fun of the game is overcoming the challenge of a difficult monster

[@hacksawhill]

This is insanely upsetting, I watched Deva for a while and Retrou especially for the hammer runs. And the fact that there are just more popular runs out there looming as cheaters... damn.

[@lucablight6316]

The problem here is that there is no way for us (the disgruntled and would-be reporters of such cheats) have no way of concretely reporting that indeed someone at some point in the hunt, or it's entirety is cheating. Correct me if I'm wrong but i think we have a way to mitigate this by just sticking to our playgroups. I mean, world/iceborne came out before and well into the pandemic. My crew and I experienced our fair share of these "Cheaters" or "Mod users" and basically we just stopped playing pubs. We just sticked to the group, had a blast all the way to the end of content. Realistically speaking, these cheaters rob us of the fun we're having from the novel experiences we get from the shenanigans we do with the monsters (AI), that said, i don't think capcom will address this since it does not directly affect them, and other than the denial of "fun", there is also no detriment to the playerbase, well not enough to warrant the addressing of this problem altogether.

[@tomattorods]

Basically the problem isn't about modding, it's about how every game nowadays have to be competitive and at the same time full of rng. We had this problem with rise charms too. Monster Hunter as a game ( not as a competition) is a co-op game and yes, you need to have some good sense in order to use mods with other players as this will impact their experience, not only yours. What we should not forget is the fact that not everyone have spare time to farm in 2024 since, if you're not rich nor a child/teen you'll have to work/study take care of your family/sleep, and this "git gud" culture inside gaming community is making it even worse. Games should be fun, and with some challenge too, but never a reason to shame someone because they could not beat some dragon at 59"- Said that, it's obviously sad that someone tried to do this on a competition, cheating is cheating, but that's not a good reason to backlash against the modding community as I see some people in the comments doing.

[@mistressfannypack9184]

@@tomattorods yea plz stay away from my mild drop rate increase 😭

[@t.hokage9748]

Nothing you said is wrong, and I would agree with most of it. But the problem is modding and not being transparent about modding when you’re posing to be a speed runner. That’s the problem

[@tomattorods]

@@t.hokage9748 You're right

[@Rexhunterj]

Modern games add RNG to make the plebians feel like they have a shot at things, it also throws a wrench into the competitive players gears, making things harder for them to rofl stomp. look at Call of Duty, tons of bullet RNG, damage RNG, manipulation done by the server, lag compensation that doesnt work (it does, exactly how they want it to) RNG is a terrible solution to any problem, we use RNG in game programming to fill the gap of chance, RNG is not actual chance, it's a computers best guess at how chance works.

[@Venzie_AF]

If folks want to play with mods and cheat with other people, there’s a whole Monster Hunter Community Mod that changes the entire game and allows you to play with other folks with the community mod. It limits some Uber mods but most visual and functional mods work with it. Pc only of course. I hope the community mod for World can get its own client for Wilds so folks who want to play with mods/cheats have their own community they can play with and not bring it into crossplay. Or pc multiplayer. They could even do something similar to how other games with crossplay handle modded files. They could add a check sum integrity filter so if you play with modded files, you can only play with folks that have modded files and restricts you from playing with non-modded players. This would simplify the distinction between playing with others who have/don’t have mods and puts it in the players’ control which type of players they want to play with.

[@dragonboyexz]

I don't mind cheating on a single player but I noticed I will end up not being able play without the cheat activated later part of the game. This was in psp MHFU.

[@Gav_EXE]

Genuine question: you mention never wanting damage numbers in MH, but I'm curious as to why. I've been playing MH since Tri and (without really realizing it) damage numbers have helped improve me as a player a lot. With damage numbers, I can figure things out quite easily (and in real time) things like where to hit the monster and how effective hitting it in its weak spot is. I can see the impact of elemental weakness, sharpness, skills, buffs, etc. Heck, I can actually see which of my attacks that look like one big hit are actually a series of many quick and smaller hits (thus making them a poor choice as wake-ups). While I get the stigma against the MMO DPS race mentality, I feel damage numbers do a lot more good than harm. Besides, I'd much prefer having some means of figuring stuff like this out in-game (that isn't a hassle) over having to look up data-dumps online for simple information clarity. TLDR: honestly just curious as to why you're adverse to damage numbers in MH.

[@HealyHQ]

I'm with you, I never wanted damage numbers either.

[@aner_bda]

The thing that killed me with DEVA comments were that on one hand he said that AI manipulation isn't wrong, but on the other hand he knows of other people doing it, but won't "out them". If he honestly believes AI manipulation is nothing wrong, why won't he "out them"? This sort of nonsense does nothing but hurt the Monster Hunter community at large. It's so sad to see people do it, all for Internet Clout Points.

[@vdorarara]

I've killed enough alatreon to know exactly which part of the OST when it starts to fly

[@Fixti0n]

On a tangent. I despise the damage numbers, because they are the only way to see if you are critting or not, because Capcom nurfed the crit visual in World and Rice to avoid visual clutter.

[@boahnoa99]

One thing that I think people should know is that modding and altering RNG is actually extremely common and accepted in the MH speedrunning community as long as you do it right. At the end of the video Ruri said something about modding the game to make sure the monster is always the lowest possible health, lots of runners do that or something similar like guaranteeing a specific spawn location or 100% food skill chance. Stuff like this isn’t cheating because it takes place outside of the run, eating for food skills, the monsters spawning, anything like that occurs before the timer starts. So modding these things just wastes less of the speedrunners IRL time without affecting the actual run. If they didn’t mod for a specific spawn location all that means is they would immediately abandon every quest where it didn’t spawn in the right place. On the other hand what Deva and the other runners in Karl’s video did is ABSOLUTELY cheating. Not only does it affect the RNG in the run itself but it allows the monster to do things it literally can’t do otherwise.

[@alexjgilpin]

22:32 "In my opinion there's nothing wrong with it" Look, I have 2000+ hours in MHW:IB as a HH main. The only external tool I use is HunterPie to passively read the HP of the monster because I know it doesn't alter the game's code. If I were to submit some kind of run *I'd still disclose that.* The whole spirit of speedrunning is in seeing how far the community as a whole can push the game. Anyone who discovers tech that actually does hone the craft in a non-cheaty way *(and isn't a scumbag who is farming clout for money)* would want to help others overcome their time by all means necessary. You figure out how to do a zip? You teach others. Your TAS found a human-doable wrongwarp? You share that. Even if Deva thought *spawning something that doesn't regularly exist in the game wasn't cheating,* he still at the end of the day decided to try to obfuscate the tech, which even *in his own deluded universe* makes him a straight poopy person.

[@mytsw]

Rurikhan might not know this, but for PC MonHun speedrunning, mods like fixed spawn area, guaranteed drunk bird, fixed monster sizes, guaranteed minimal hp pool, etc. are all assumed and considered "standard" if you want to be competitive and optimal. There are even some insanely niche mods that you can get such as fixing the specific endemic life spawns from specific bushes, or fixing the element of the Starburst Bugs for Sunbreak. Obviously most speedrunners will put their modlist in the video description but there's no way to know if there's anything else they chose to not publicize. It is not a great feeling when you have to tell someone who wants to get a competitive time in PC MH speedrunning to download a modpack before trying for real, but sadly these mods are quite literally undetectable on video so it'd be extremely hard to regulate them out of the scene. Unless we can somehow make streaming the speedrun attempts mandatory so that one could catch the cheaters using statistics like how they caught Dream, there's simply not a viable way to stop speedrunners from using these mods. Nobody made a big fuss about the mods I listed above being widely used because they are generally considered "Starting Conditions" and they are not fun to reset for (as deemed by the speedrun community). The real issue is the behavior mods in Karl and Juzzi's video because they are against the fundamental monster hunter gameplay.

[@matthewcharles9813]

I think the most important thing here especially after reading your comment. It's transparency. I think there legit wouldn't be any issues with these cheating runs if they didn't hide anything. Modded runs in games can actually be fun. Heck while an extreme example look at the randomizer runs people do all the time. But you just have to be transparent. I think having some mods to make it so someone doesn't waste hours restarting to just get the right start is a QOL but still most be mentioned. Ps. Good post.

[@jrpgnation6375]

Cheaters

[@riemaennchen]

I just started watching Karls videos thanks to the Speedrun video and I gotta say his content is fascinating. Its a like a crime TV show, just video game based.

[@Creynex]

This is exactly why Capcom doesn't want us to use mods. We get punished for a few cheaters. If they use it for themselves, sure, whatever but don't ever use them online or for competetive scenes.

[@draven_sword7092]

I remember watching your PB Alatreon run and being so hyped up and excited for you! At the time i hadn't been playing monhun for quite a while, and it inspired me to jump back into the game :)

[@leqit_death1337]

Hearing that Deva cheated just hurts. I always thought that he’d be a legitimate player and tried to achieve somewhat comparable times.

[@serenity3157]

I still remember there's many 1shot kill on base world that I experience. I'm just glad I already beat all solo when I enter coop.

[@khaild7856]

bro 559 was the name... and you can see he's on PC by the UI

[@Zanzatv501]

PC player here! I'm still working on my first Alatreon kill ever. I feel the same Rurikhan.

[@MrOrdosan]

my favorite of cheaters getting cought "It wasnt meant to be taken serious" "Everybodies doing it,not just me" and "I forgot/didnt know I had that installed"

[@uchennaobi5985]

Can never understand cheating in games. I don't find it fun.

[@matthewcharles9813]

Not all cheating is the same and can make games more fun. But should never be used at the expense of someone else's fun.

[@RoMayDrako]

I remember I experienced a cheater in GU in that time I did not think there was cheaters. The hunter I played with all the time, Dune, tried to warn me the guy wasn't right. And I was like Ah na dude, you're delusional, how could anyone cheat. It was the Bloodbath Diablos EX quest - my friend stayed back at start I know he was waiting for the "I told you so". Long story short before I even got to the other player Blood Bath Diablos EX was done and over. It wasn't even a minute. Once we got back to hub he simply said "I don't support cheaters" and kicked the other player. It was explained how he did it but it's been some time I have long forgotten. It still feels bad to have even agree to go on that quest because that defeated the whole purpose of the game.

[@ceeth100]

The thing that sucks is now you have to question every speed run these people do now. Deva posting the video and practically doubling down makes me believe he’s done it on more monsters as well.

[@zyedelric]

This is the reason why I don't watch any type of speedrunning in any game unless they're actually in a live venue with audience, who knows what they're doing behind the scenes

[@MystiInferno]

Its rare I watch a video and THEN the video is reacted to, instead of the other way around, I just bumped int that exact Jobst video just Hours before this.

[@espada7997]

I watched it yesterday, but only because I left it on auto play. Then i was completely invested when he brought up Deva.

[@xantharian]

I'm all for cosmetic mods, but altering mechanics and stats of either monsters or the hunters is too much.

[@Solluna2003]

Same, some cosmetics just make it funnier to fight monsters. Unless the cosmetic mods are applied in private servers with friends (on other online games too) I'm okay with it, but if they give an unfair advantage (like blending too well with the environment for camping in a fps/battle royale) and they're used in lobbies with strangers then no. It is funny to find a ridiculous cosmetic mods and show it off to your friends to enhance the funny experience like dressing up as Waluigi and getting railed by monster modded as Thomas the Tank Engine.

[@Paul-dh1rh]

I didn't know you are actually this much BASED. Thanks Ruri! Looking forward to your MHWilds uploads.

[@xmidnightx61]

yeah cheating on Monster Hunter has been around since earlier games. The sad part is, some players defend them saying "it's not a PvP game," and that it helps them more than it hurts... but the joy of monster hunter is fighting a godlike monster and savoring the hard earned victory... cheating weapons and armors in just to make it easier robs people of that. Sometimes these same people are the ones who complain the game is easy or get boring fast...

[@soyUsernameWasTaken]

Like you, i also don't play mobile games, i don't watch speedrunners, I don't even copy those popular meta sets. I don't recognize any person in that video. Mate, we are not a part of this particular monhun community.

[@arpadszabo661]

I think i was around 10 when i last cheated in a videogame. It was in Star Wars Knight of the Old Republic 2, just giving myself some dark side points to get the advanced classes sooner, then about 20 minutes later i loaded my save file where i didn’t cheat yet and then never did it again. Because after that point, i felt like whatever i did, i didn’t earn it. It wasn’t fun anymore. Before that i cheated in Gothic 2 and it was pretty much the same. I literally can’t understand how much do you have to suck at something to enjoy cheating. Achieving something in a videogame is already pretty irrelevant unless you compete for money, but it can still feel good by doing something through getting good.

[@TheRiz1205]

Makes me feel better with my Alatreon DB run, managed to kill it in 18 minutes, without tempering any files. I used to look up to Deva, and I hope Angbata was not involved, I will now look at Console Speedruns from now on, Tatsuffy is one.

[@grimdaggz]

BRUH! Not a single second of my content is manufactured. All of it actually happened as captured. There's a certain pride that comes with achievements, especially when it's captured in video, NEVER TO HAPPEN THAT SAME WAY AGAIN. They have no gamers pride. Every success, every failure, is real.

[@TerraRuns]

32:02 it’s possible to prevent him of flying ,that’s basically the goal in a speedrun, if you deal enough damage in the first phase skips alatreon the animation and hits instantly dragon phase where he is supposed to fly a second time again. You need more likely good rng with some cc like ko or a single elemental topple and if you dealt enough damage at this point, is he supposed to be dead before first escaton

[@jrpgnation6375]

@@TerraRuns grammar

[@TerraRuns]

@@jrpgnation6375 oh no the internet police arrived 😆

[@celeste5932]

This is very dissapointing. As a Charge Blade / Hammer main, Deva and Retrou were people I deeply respected. This is bad. With MH Wilds being Crossplay I wouldnt be surprised if Capcom devellop a tool to check the games files before booting the game and if any changes are made they would block the game to protect the experience. This is very concerning. Ill be playing on PS5 and my partner on PC..... A good topic of discussion with Juno and the MH community team for a podcast discussion. I wonder how they will try to control it. People were angry at Capcom of trying to control modding and keep the experience as pure as possible for everyone, seem they were proven right in their concern. I dont want my WILD Online experience to be destroyed by those modders....

[@issamelarmi]

People will always try to optimize the fun out of the game ... sadness

[@toottootsonicwarrior5777]

That is exactly it, well said.

[@vileyj6258]

Best to ignore 'em and play how you want. Makes you unique and really annoys the people who have nothing better to do.

[@HenriqueRJchiki]

Have you stopped for a second to think optimizing and playing correctly is... FUN for these people? who even are you to dictate what "fun" is LMAO

[@toottootsonicwarrior5777]

@@HenriqueRJchiki Definitely getting booted out a room or having some obnoxious nerd tell you you're doing things the "wrong" way is NOT a lot of players idea of "FUN"

[@HenriqueRJchiki]

@@toottootsonicwarrior5777 If you entered THEIR room, then he has all the right to kick you for any reason if they want, especially scrubs like you who want to get carried by contributing nothing worthy and wasting everyone's time

[@Kaimax61]

MH community has gotten too comfortable with modding out "inconveniences" that it scaled up to actual cheating.

[@EdmundKempersDartboard]

A series that appealed to me until I played Dark Souls and realized I don't handle long boss fights well. Skill wise or patience wise.

[@khelador]

Monster Hunter Rise on PC has an absurd cheating problem in the Anomaly Rank grind. Every 3rd game has a cheater in it. The DPS meters help figure out who is the cheater, some are blatant some hide it, but those players with -42 defense and all the Qurious skills added onto it, don't even try to hide it and it gets annoying when everyone just has every offensive armor skill in the game doing absurd damage

[@demontiming9095]

cheats in monster hunter has been a problem even since the older games having players join lobbys to one shot monsters or having all attack based skills active when its not possible on the armor they are using or just having end game gear at low rank i hope capcom slams the ban hammer on modders and cheaters that ruin the enjoyment that a monster hunter game gives especially when playing with others

[@RageKing897]

It's been a thing for a very long time you're right, the cheating field in the older games is insanely high especially in 3u and 4u

[@ThouReaper2.0]

gaming in general has a cheating problem and the companies dont care. the head dev for tarkov basically said "youre still going to play the game, and we will ban them every few weeks and they will just sell that banned account, and then buy a new key for the game, so why would we crack down on cheating?". i was a diehard cod player but the cheating is so rampant i refuse to go back.

[@Zulban48]

I vastly prefer co-op games over competitive ones, and it's astonishing just how many people are willing to cheat in a non-competitive environment. Thankfully I have only encountered a cheater *once* while playing MH:World. About 98% of my experience playing co-op games online has been positive, even with randoms, but that just makes the 2% really stand out. Your assessment that people are doing this for social media points is only part of the story. These people are likely making money off of these supposedly legitimate gameplay videos, which makes this whole situation that much worse. What a way to bring the entire community down because someone is just that selfish. There's also another subset of people who either cheat to mess with people while playing online, or mess with people while playing online and then potentially making videos or posts along the lines of "haha we screwed with this guy's game and they got angry about it" or similar. I don't run a youtube channel (though I've contemplated it) but I can understand what you're talking about with the likes and views and all that crap. All that is is a number that goes up. Actual interaction (such as comments) would be much more valuable to me, at least up to a point. But you know, some people are just completely obsessed with those numbers. It's a great way to make you feel a sense of pride and accomplishment (without even needing to spend money on loot boxes).

[@gloominaati3105]

As long as there is competitive play for ANYTHING, there will be cheaters and dis honest people alike. Such is life

[@redtool]

The full year ban and than appr. 10 year ban is similar to what is applied in official Pokémon tournaments. But it is hardly ever applied. Since the cheated in Pokémon where mostly still within the non-cheated possibilities. I've heard of a full year ban once and it was actually applied to both the current season and the nest season, so it was applied to both years, but what happened there is unknown to me. I do remember of one of the current or former commentators using a Pokémon in a Pokéball that wasn't possible in the World Finals and any Pokémon in that specific Pokéball wasn't possible, since it was a Dreamball which is only available in earlier generation games. That player didn't really get a penalty for that, since he was going to be a commentator anyway and wasn't going to compete on a World or National level in the coming season/year anyway.

[@HenriqueRJchiki]

90% of competitors mod their mon nowadays, disputing that is just copium, the thing is there is no difference between a modded mon and a real one as long as they're within the game parameters and limitations for that specific mon, it just skips mindless grind.

[@CIements]

@@HenriqueRJchiki and many pokemon are locked by some incredible paywalls, you shouldn't have to buy a game and its dlc just to build your team

[@chewbacachunks8644]

I agree, if you cheat in a purely single player game I couldn't care less. The problem is when you cheat in a competitive environment or bring cheats to an online game. If you do that you are a grade A, bottom of the barrel LOSER. Many of these players that actually are skilled at the game and cheat anyway, do it because they feel they are owed success. "After all I put in the time to get good, and now I feel that I am owed my world record." It's born out of a mix of frustration and ego. It's terrible when a top player is discovered to be cheating as it ruins the competitive integrity of the game. Hell it's still bad even when terrible shitter players cheat too. It's just usually extremely obvious when they are cheating, because no amount of cheats can hide a lack of game knowledge and potato gameplay. I will never understand cheating in a competitive/online game, because I feel like if I were to cheat it would ruin the game for me. I would have to be constantly looking over my shoulder wondering if I would get caught. Not only that but it would be impossible for me to be satisfied with any of my accomplishments. Because if I had cheated to achieve something, I actually wouldn't have achieved anything at all.

[@yesmansam6686]

Monster Hunter has a cheating problem, Pokémon has a cheating problem, Elden Ring has a cheating problem, hell my wife has a cheating problem. Everyone's got a cheating problem. I think it's just one of those that you can only do so much about. That's just to say, unlike my wife, I don't really blame the studios.

[@goldentyrant4822]

Honestly kinda sad to see this as I use speed runs to learn some tips for the weapons I use against certain monsters for example trying to see how to exploit certain primordial malzeno attacks (Weapons I use Hammer and Hunting Horn). But now that this came out I’m not gonna use speedruns as examples.

[@Orangemushroom554]

I never cheat in damage or behaviour. I do have a few mods after I reached endgame like, Monster hp ui, buying consumables like dash juice/mega drugs, getting the food meals I want more easily, gourmet tickets, shiny drops don't disappear

[@raganx7108]

I absolutely love using my phone to play emulators, I don't use touch controls though, the best "Telescopic Controller" to use is the Gamesir Galileo G8, or if you rather have something that can work with your switch G8+. Those controllers wrap around your phone and makes it feel like a more comfortable Nintendo Switch or Steam Deck.

[@AkantorCZ]

Despite having decent hunt times, main reason I never really attempted speed runs is because running "scripted" hunts is just boring. Competitive speed runners seems to push it to next level. Time and views is all they care about. However there some skilled hunters I look up and learnt a lot from them, e.g. ZenCieh, my SnS hero.

[@reginaldfluffington5142]

If you cheat online, you should be permanently banned.

[@Lock2142]

Hearing your comments about in your prime and all that makes me really hope I get to hunt alongside you in wilds cos I think you're great pal, you're "not that good" is still above average especially augmented by your experience!

[@kookieslayer]

Man this sucks... ruins it for every legit speedrunners. The only acceptable RNG modifiers are spawn placement and size. That's it. Team darkside were very clear on what mods they used, that's the standard people should be held to. Deva is a jerk and should be banned from MH for life.

[@sabotagefate69]

You can't logically make that argument. You either are OK with all mods or none. Your subjective view of what is and isn't OK is retarded and no one cares

[@matthewcharles9813]

And they are transparent. Deva mistakes is he hid information proving he's dishonest and a cheater. Hope his channel falls apart.

[@chuckchan4127]

It's amazing what the human ego will do to protect itself. "Golly gee, I suck at this game and that hurts my feelings. I'll cheat so I'm a winner!"

[@sabotagefate69]

Essentially no one who gets to the absolute top by cheating couldn't do it with their own skill. It's a time and mental issue not a skill issue almost always

[@chuckchan4127]

@@sabotagefate69 Real blood sweat and tears.

[@hermitcard4494]

These ones dont cheat because they suck, they are good/great by themselves. Its their NARCISSISM (not ego) which tell them to cheat just to break records and be praised and glorified as the top best.