100K Fleet Power In 30 Years - Stellaris Meta Builds

[@MontuPlays]

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[@mirceazaharia2094]

Just got the DLCs which were on sale and installed the base game. This week, I'm gonna start learning it, and take my war crimes to the next level.

[@helenasuperson7417]

Overlord is not on sale, shame it's the only DLC I'm missing, but with really bad reviews, I don't feel like buying full price. Also I heard some very bad news about Overlord breaking the game balance for the AI - basically end game being 2 - 3 empires vassalizing all others

[@marka1000]

I tried it but I lost

[@jameswaage2976]

This does not work anymore. Dragon comes in to medium range now and destroys your station and home planet

[@ThatOneGuy_James]

I'm pretty sure Montu already proved that the new meta is to not build a fleet at all, and instead solely build space stations and pray they work 🙏

[@MontuPlays]

Lol

[@dotspot3667]

actually, if you take the dragon and fight space creatures you can expand the army pretty quickly and boost your research at the cost of some food. up my dragon fleet by 10k

[@MrLizard1984]

Finally, Fanatic Spiritualists can pray their way to victory

[@MacEat]

Bro you should add in the intro or top comment that if you're playing on console cordysyptic drones isn't out yet.

[@commissarkordoshky219]

not gonna lie - my latest game I was panic bilding stations and def. plantforms XD

[@theodoremccarthy4438]

Congratulations. You’ve turned your next PvP game into an interstellar Pokémon match.

[@reinazer379]

gotta reanimate them all

[@pendragon.-.]

Once a voidspawn spawned next to my empire. I killed it with the dragon, reanimated and got double the fleet power before midgame.

[@Dragonlord7012]

"You should be our vassal. We have a dragon."

[@criticaldamage4067]

targaryens like this.

[@Alsritt]

Incredibly bold to throw this video up right after announcing the PvP multiplayer game, but I'm super excited to see the new changes in full action and see what the navies are gonna look like!

[@Jernsaxe]

One of the reasons this video got made on patch day was to make sure everyone know about the build for the qualifiers of the tournament to either play or counter it.

[@Nomadic_Gaming]

@@Jernsaxe exactlyits bait oh yes this is super overpowered (if it works and the dragon doesnt yeet your base because you did it wrong and cripple you) please dont use this in the upcoming tournament no no i totally dont have a counter for it

[@TheArklyte]

This build was made on tournament back when Here Be Dragons was just added. The only change here is that Hivemind got reanimators and also gives a 50% weapons boost. So MP community is well aware what happens when somebody takes HBD with reanimators...

[@RovingTroll]

I have this buildin a multilayer game, but with progenitor origin, and I got the tiyanki matriarch early and used it to peacefully vassalize my corner of thgalaxy, whole hunting down any organics I can find. Tiyana vek is held my my unvassalized neighbor.I do hope there's a sea dragon in this campaign

[@Lukashoffmann94]

Isn' the origin banned most of the time anyway?

[@thesub01]

Me: Starts building ships to destroy crystals by 2230 Montu: Where's the fallen empire

[@UnexpectedInquisition]

One small tweak to dragon AI behavior and this will be nerfed hard. Seems like an oversight. Dragon should get in close instead of maintaining max range, until all fighter structures dead; then retreat to max range for bombardment once it truly outranges hostiles

[@roboticgamer8990]

not sure how to code this efficiently but the best algorithm I can think of to calculate desired range would be to try to maximize the ratio of (damage dealt):(damage received). this can be calculated by combining all the enemy weapons into one list that gives expected damage dealt at a given range. then compare that to the ships own damage vs range list to find the optimal range to conduct combat.

[@ronabitz5156]

Titans have the same problem.

[@theforsakeen177]

@@roboticgamer8990 or possibly change their max range during the cooldown period.

[@TheJommy34]

@@roboticgamer8990 wat. that seem massively complicate and arbitrary for just finding the engagement distance

[@cafecomescrita]

It's simpler to just give a ton of flak to the Dragon.

[@LowbrowDeluxe]

If you start near the Tiyanki spawning system soon as your first five year fleet spawns you can use it to eat all it's brothers and build a 200k doomstack. Although you'll go -2k food pretty quick.

[@kalimatronix]

The Undead Dragon is actually a part of the Scourge roleplay, because Sindragosa.

[@PerennialSash]

Oh yeah, this couldn't possibly be too strong. Great concept for a build. Happy that reanimators are available to hives now.

[@jaytemplar7494]

For just 5 energy a month you can sponsor a Tiyanki or Space Dragon and help galactic environmentalists save space fauna from this ridiculously OP strategy.

[@molybdaen11]

We need a emergency dragon protection act.

[@emmawrites4533]

This plus the devouring swarm ethic would be absolute murder across the entire galaxy and I love it. I'd also become the crisis and maybe go lithoids, but thats because its my favorite game style.

[@JabberwockOclock]

Genocidal empires aren't allowed to use Here be Dragons.

[@emmawrites4533]

@@JabberwockOclock DAMN IT!

[@jnelson4765]

I did kill the Ether Drake as a cordyceptic Devouring Swarm in my first non-beta playthrough and my eyeballs clicked when I saw the fleet power of that reanimated beastie.

[@the_fenix_3247]

@@JabberwockOclock What if you force spawn an empire with that origin? Can you still reanimate it?

[@JabberwockOclock]

@@the_fenix_3247 Yes, but a major part of this exploit's power is using the Starbase and Defense Platforms to kill the dragon with as little investment as possible. A genocidal empire would have to fight it solely with ships, and contend with the empire protecting it too.

[@campylegacy7908]

I've tried this today, and so far it just seems each time i do it, I wait for the dragon to get as far away as possible before attacking, and it always comes VERY close and gets in distance to use all its weapons and keeps destroying my starhold

[@Jernsaxe]

How to Train Your Dragon, Stellaris edition :)

[@OC-1024]

As a Hive Mind fanboy, I'm really glad, that there's a new powerful metabuild out there. At least untill the dev's fix it.

[@sniperpartytime]

i never clicked so fast

[@pallen2645]

My Cordyceptic build uses Subspace Ephase right now. The fleet cap is great, and the sunlight speed really helps with the SLOOOW movement speed of your zombie squids.

[@ChaoticNeutralMatt]

Not a bad idea honestly

[@lilpiggy1300]

The strategy no longer works, the latest patch gave the dragon the juggernaut trait and now it carves out stations, ignoring defensive stations. But the strategy has been good for quite a long time.

[@ongito29]

Damn, do you know what is the current best strategy with the here be dragon origin ?

[@rudolphiv3047]

Finally something to relax to

[@aptspire]

"Yeah, I'll try this trick" And then I also got the Rubricator digsite in the same run, my Dragon dealt with Shard fairly easily, and I got ~200k fleet power in 2250. Also there's something about 2 gigantic space dragons duking it out.

[@_EternalWanderer]

it doesn't work for me, the dragon destroys the station instead of the weapon platforms

[@hannahchan304]

same here

[@GoldenCat0418]

I recently discovery an interesting mechanic that is perfectly balanced I would say. Is that when the dragon is going to land on your planet, attack the dragon with a single covet or something immediately after the first event (assuming you choose to let the dragon land). The dragon will immediately die after the dragon 'lands' on your planet. You can, build some defense platform with strikecraft on it while waiting for the second dragon which is currently 'on' your planet to take off, kill the second dragon as usual (revive the first dragon before you kill the second one if possible, otherwise you might not be able to revive the second dragon).

[@axelox8026]

Do you attack it after you click the option to allow it to land? Or once that pops up, you move a ship to attack it and then click to allow it to land? Am new to this game, so I wanted to make sure xd.

[@GoldenCat0418]

@@axelox8026 attack the dragon right after u allow it to land (if I remember it correctly), it should work as intended

[@axelox8026]

@@GoldenCat0418 they changed dragon AI and it just nuked my station today :( will have to load an older save

[@GoldenCat0418]

@@axelox8026Oh, they've fixed that, didn't play that origin since 3.7, thanks for ur information

[@axelox8026]

@@GoldenCat0418 np, have a nice day

[@mastersonogashira1796]

The moment I saw +50% damage on space creature weapon I knew undead dragon defence is gonna be meta again

[@Reece_Hart]

I spawned right next to the ether drake in my game so within the first 55 years I was able to get both the starting dragon and the ether dragon totaling 208k fleet strength. This meta is absolutely bonkers

[@Roartykarma]

Please keep doing these meta builds. I love watching and trying them out.

[@jameshildebrand907]

I tried Devouring Swarm again recently. The first time I tried DV was when it first came out. It was embarrassing as I conquered the galaxy before mid-game. This time around, I went with Overtuned origin. I countered DTC edict's food upkeep by "hungry". Again, beat the game by conquering the galaxy before mid-game and also unlocked Mega Engineering ludicrously early. 🤦

[@Chris_73618]

Don’t care

[@kirbcake]

NOTE TO ANYONE COMING HERE IN 2024: This build has been patched from the game and is no longer possible as they made Hrozgar extremely effective against starbases. EDIT: apparently might be doable with torpedoes.

[@MontuPlays]

you can do it with torpedos now. Still works tbf

[@gildedgoblin2999]

This makes single-player basically "I like your house. Unfortunately, I have a dragon, so it's no longer your house."

[@djjoozbrorg1983]

@Montu Plays - Nice build that you have here, in ur video you did not show what the 2nd negative trait was? I'm guessing it would of been Solitary?

[@miroz0181]

I saw this and thought "nah, that can't be right" ..........watching it though HOLY MOLY zombie dragon dang sir

[@Gustavomfp]

Hello there! I managed to do it after a few failed attempts (not in the same game, of course). I did, later than Montu, around year 40. I did have defense hull points researched (I was lucky), and I replaced everything on my modules for Hangar Bay, but I believe what I got right this time was the position. After a failed first attempt in which I engaged the dragon in the farthest location, I reloaded and aimed to engage the dragon around the same location/spot Montu did, and it worked. I believe that's the hack to make it work: aim to engage in combat around the same spot he shows in his video. Good luck! PST: Thanks for sharing this with us

[@scottx1415]

Ah - good observations - had trouble doing it, will try that.

[@scottx1415]

I implemented the extra tips. That worked!

[@Gustavomfp]

@@scottx1415 good job

[@melchi2810]

I think they changed the game mechanics. the dragon immediately engages in melee combat and attacks the station

[@FateTurns]

yeah didnt work for me starting today, the new patch fucked this strategy haha

[@coldsalt2819]

Is there any solutions ?

[@echo.1209]

ymfah just released a video showing a different way to kill it

[@Teksura]

@@coldsalt2819 I got very close to killing it outright using this exact strat. Seems you just need a reasonably sized fleet to back it up, and a few more techs for better weapons. Focus on anti-armor.

[@coldsalt2819]

@@Teksura thx for your answer, me too i was very close. Maybe with a level up battlestation and more battleplatforms but it will take a lot of time

[@gusgee1337]

This requires lots of food to feed all the large creatures. If you create large whale and/or amoeba Fleets, you will need PLANETS of farmers. It makes food a real resource and minimizes Montu's anti farmer mantra.

[@wilcoo4275]

has the battle system been updated? cuz i followed this guide and got everything and so on but the dragon went into close range and destroyed me

[@jeffquantrill5570]

Really sorry @Montu but I can't figure out how to actually create this species! Can you provide a "for Dummies" on building the Undead aquatic fungoids? Thanks

[@Fjolvarr]

Couldn't you befriend it, and then force it to die naturally and resurrect after (possibly forcing it to die) and get both the undead dragon and the baby dragon production?

[@ShadyMoth]

So I don't know what I am doing wrong for me, when I do it(this is the 50th time now) the dragon just **Rushes** to my starhold. Is there something specific that wasn't mention in this video?

[@yousaidthusly461]

I love how everyone uses the same fungal necrophage as the portrait. I too call them the scourge. But I add the devouring swarm and necrophage to them too

[@LCInfantry]

I think it’s because the others look dumb

[@BeWare_I_Live]

Where do you get it?

[@Qhran]

@@BeWare_I_Live Looks like it's the "Dimorphism - Fungoid Parasite Portraits" mod in the workshop.

[@the_fenix_3247]

It would be fun if lithoids had something similar that allowed them to animate asteroids with a penalty to their actual combat ships

[@0_Body]

Stellaris is a perfectly balanced game with no exploits 🧟‍♂👍

[@Mshull90]

I'm definitely going to try this build! What is the last negative trait though? 🤔

[@zoratheeevee1033]

I notice something when Playing with this Civic. I don't do Competitive Builds at all, but most if not all the Space Fauna Weapons are Energy based so the repeatables Stack with them, I had 800k Feel of Amoebas by year 3000 Its amazing!

[@LCInfantry]

By year 3000? Ummm, and only 800k? I can probably get like 2 or 3 million fleet power by year 3000 with just battleships. Probably even higher power then 3m.

[@SalvLav]

Yr 3k...? Holy shit the lag...

[@LCInfantry]

@@SalvLav Depending on the size of map. But yeah. I’m on the ps5 and my game wish crash every like 30 minutes or so if I get to test 2800

[@siluda9255]

wouldn't it be weak vs a frigate spam ? since dragons count as titans and would get 800% dmg from torpedos

[@jsamue12]

just did this and was surprised when i was suddenly bleeding 300 food per month from it's upkeep

[@gwazisam]

Everyone is talking about how good it is to re-animate the dragon, but you still get the buff if you agree to raise the children as it's still space Fauna D: I did a game where I got dragon and the 10 young ones and had about 320k+ fleet power from just them alone :D

[@ponglenis9273]

Tried this and the station got blown up almost instantly, I guess this is not my playstyle

[@krovarus1911]

So I tried this and the dragon just ate my ass and destroyed the base faster than I could make defense platforms

[@lawrencerambes4557]

That's pretty hilarious to be that op early game I think the only downside is you lose access to the baby dragons you get if you do the full origin, but I think if you did the full story to get the baby dragons they'd be pretty strong with that empires civics

[@cafecomescrita]

Just give a ton of flak to the Dragon, and/or just allow the Dragon to retreat to outside your empire. That's what any thinking being would do with such capabilities.

[@dirk1998]

Honestly I have been struggling to build a powerful fleet so it's nice to see this.

[@lorenzmeyer2412]

Which DLCs are needed for this ?

[@SHDUStudios]

I know what I’m doing in my next game.

[@harley3082]

I'm new and suck at this game. Your videos are fun AND informative. Guy is pretty chill. TAKE MY SUBSCRIBE DAMNIT

[@TheStrangePersonEver]

What DLCs do you need for this build?

[@mrmopp9818]

was able to get it on my first try, thanks for sharing!

[@lucasjones3599]

love this channel

[@AngryDuck79]

0:53 Arthas likes this.

[@Radical_Left]

They patched this but you can still do it, you just need a much stronger starbase. It's still incredible OP to have a 100K + strength dragon that can Jump at around year 2245 ish, and you are also investing into having a beast of a starbase in your starting system which is always useful. I killed it with a star fortress with around 17 strike craft defence platforms + a 5k carrier fleet with strike craft and I felt like it was overkill. You could probably do it earlier.

[@henryk5pio]

Can you describe your build?

[@Radical_Left]

@@henryk5pio I copied the build in the video pretty much exactly then instead of killing it with the starhold I waited for the next tier to appear in research and built as many defence platforms as I could. I attacked the dragon with the station then jumped in my 5k fleet while the dragon was fighting the station. I took minimal losses and it died relatively quickly. From that point oneward I kept to video and either went to war with my neighbours or made vassals with my OP dragon. BONUS: Look around for the other leviathans you can revive such as the matriarch, shard, space whales or other dragons etc Nobody will be able to match your fleet strength for a long time.

[@Sepczyk999]

dude, thanks for your coment on this video. I failed 2 times and was just wondering if they did some patches to that. @@Radical_Left

[@luckymikemadziar]

Did this last night Jan 3rd, and it still works.

[@SpectralFlames05]

Make sure you also make some anti frigate ships so you don’t get destroyed by torpedoes

[@nothing2see315]

Anybody know why I keep losing half my fleet for no reason while they’re just hanging out at a star base? It’s super annoying spending all that time building then just to have them disappear for no apparent reason

[@Gher_kin]

Just tried this and my scientist researching the project died with a couple months left - resetting the project and using up all the research I'd stored ;_; still a blast of a build though!

[@MontuPlays]

Oh no! That is not mean to happen!

[@gho5tspartan26yt]

4:51 woah what colossus is that

[@Alexandermhinton]

what was the second negative trait you took? Thx for the vid montu

[@Kujra]

Would also like to know

[@tsuraji]

Doesnt work anymore, did it with 23k station and exactly the same build, he just slowly moves into your direction and then just blasts your station away

[@austinwelch7321]

How do you get the cordyceptic drones? I don’t see it anywhere is it a dlc civic or something? What dlc if so

[@JimPekarek]

This is stupidly close to being able to take on a fallen empire at 2230 😆

[@icyknightmare4592]

Against the Xenophobe FE, you might be onto something. They're running pure kinetics (and tier 2 flak lol) against the dragon's armor, largely negating their repeatable tech advantage. Spiritualist FE ships would just vaporize it with their torpedos and plasma spam. All of the others are somewhere in between.

[@alexkatc59]

@@icyknightmare4592 You can recruit 2 dragons and voidspawn and actually more.

[@Trubripes]

How do you even upkeep that with the economy of yr 30.

[@jimbeam7636]

Doesn't have cordyceptic drones on systems apparently

[@EnchoIndieStudio]

Testing this now, and no matter how I build the dragon always come into close range and focus the settlement even with a lot of Defense Stations still up. They might have hotfixed this since this video came out...

[@MontuPlays]

Now you need to use torpedos about 12 or 13 platforms. And wait to attack until the dragon passes directly overhead

[@EnchoIndieStudio]

@@MontuPlays Yeah! I just tried torpedos and came here as if I had discovered something new lol. But didn't knew about the overhead thing. Will try soon. This time I also managed to build two 20 corvette fleets with shield and lasers lvl 2, set to picket. I assaulted the dragon in 32y and not 30, but then it felt like I overkilled the guy. he just managed to get one platform and 8 corvettes before dying. I def could have done it in the time frame.

[@wali2481]

@@EnchoIndieStudio Can you tell me how to do it now pls?

[@Genesis8934]

oh my. that clip when you mention hostile target... what did the younglings do to you!? :P

[@18Capox]

the spiffs reference killed me lol PD: I tried it, i can confirm its a perfectly balanced build

[@matthewdickerson826]

I recently waged an early game war with just bubbles with a similar build and he wrecked a fleet of 20 Corvettes at like year 5.

[@brianleightoniii5501]

What is the second negative trait that you never show?

[@piotrfijoek1095]

Perfectly balanced as all things should be xD Hats off.

[@Society2]

I mean you can mostly do the same thing as any other necro species just not quite to the same degree but you really don’t need to. I did this with one as playing an Arasaka Corp analogue (soulkiller+android body=good analogue to zombies rp wise) except i was a megacorp so i had insane finances. The first advanced empire i found i immediately pledged fealty on favorable terms to myself so nobody would mess with me and i had guaranteed worlds to put my corp buildings on. Rolling up to my overlord with a 50k dragon backed by a 20k fleet made getting my independence request accepted easy. Then i just went about subjugating all of my neighbors as subsidiaries with the franchising edict and balled the hell out.

[@kisekiplay7569]

So this is a way to get the sky dragon early. But if we are friendly to it, will we not get the dragon as well (not undead, and later) with the 50% bonusses from cordyceptic drones? And will these bonusses also not apply to the baby dragons?

[@finesseandstyle]

As soon as I saw the new Reanimator civic I immediately had flashbacks to the most broken mechanic in Heroes of Might and Magic 3, Diplomacy. You can quickly snowball the game by getting more powerful which in turn allows you to take over more and more enemies to yourself. Which is why it's banned in multiplayer games. Before I watch the rest of the video I'm thinking this is not as powerful because you still rely on random spawns but as soon as you get enough fleet power to take a Leviathan and resurrect it, it's gg. EDIT: I was not accounting for the fact that the Dragon just sits at the back and not attacking the station lmao

[@LCInfantry]

It’s also a starting origin… so there will always be a dragon to potentially kill

[@zouzouta2590]

so i tried it today. and i managed to take the drake down a few times, and did the f2 event with ressurecting it, but once ive done its not to be found anywhere, did i miss something ?

[@RiverSpringer]

Can someone tell me which DLC I need for this please ? I have hive mind but not the cordyceptic civic. **Edit: It is the Necroid species for those that are new to Stellaris and are looking to give this a try. Dragon origin is Aquatic DLC.

[@oxLiluxo]

Hi Montu, is this still viable in patch 3.7? I dont see any patch notes about this, but my station with 15k power looses to the dragon after loosing like 3 platforms... :( Was this nerfed or is it a bug? I loved this playstyle!

[@barobrain2]

I just tried this on 3.7 myself, 13 platforms, strike 2 craft, level 3 shields. I had the same problem, with 10 or so platforms up it kills the station.

[@Strymo]

Same thing happened to me. after losing 3 platforms with 10 still up and more being built my station just popped and i lost

[@stovejeebs65]

hi im a beginner. how do you get the "expertise voicraft" trait?

[@travisj8091]

How do I get the undead things and necromancer stuff? Is it from a DLC? I have 3 dlc atm Aquatics, utopia, apocalypse.

[@MontuPlays]

I think necroids DLC, you can get it on sale now on humble bundle. If you use the affiliate link in the description you'll also support this channel with your purchase!

[@truthteller6116]

Uhhh Montu... your tournament is going to be Dragon Fights... and I mean nothing but Dragon Fights. Literally may the best Dragon win.

[@MontuPlays]

Let them fight...

[@henryk5pio]

Because There Can Be Only One.

[@nasirbone979]

I have done this on accident before, never replicated it again.

[@mavxyh]

brother why my base got destroyed and the whale didnt

[@teserakkt]

i killed the dragon and the event to reanimate it never showed up, wtf?

[@ERWrestler90]

Is this still viable? I'm following this guide but when I engage with the sky dragon, it slowly wittles me down and as far as I can tell, I'm not even hurting it.

[@kyledeweerd8870]

I was able to do it last night. I had 11 defense platforms and barely won. One thing I’ve noticed is that the dragon isn’t very uh good. It has a lot of health but it doesn’t do much damage. Still I was able to get a lot of vassals

[@Notlordstark]

“This is not your grave…but you are welcome in it”

[@DeltaPi314]

Wait... I am pretty sure that all building stops when your station gets attacked.

[@Xelnarash]

what would you think to involve the biological catalysis ... (alloys out of food) ? as the second trait?

[@chardaskie]

I don't remember what killed it but there was a ether drake right next to my empire and one day it was just dead. I didn't complain I got to take the hoard

[@somebodyelse302]

The shroud of the dark side has fallen begun the amoeba war has.

[@TheNewGooi]

What DLCs did you have to buy to use this build? thanks!!!

[@Chris217C]

@MontuPlays What trait you pick after unruly?

[@MontuPlays]

I think it was solitary here, for hives

[@srifenbyex]

Unless im doing something wrong, the dragon always seems to get within close range and 1 shots my starhold with that big gun of his even though I have roughly 7 > 9 platforms up at all times.

[@naphackDT]

New patch.

[@badluckpoppy]

About amenities from the other unity building. It's good short term but I think you will eventually need to take synchronicity tradition for those amenities from synapse drones but at least you won't have to burn 2 traditions just to not waste pops.

[@AircoDHK]

I can't seem to pull this off, has the dragon's behavior been changed? In my game he closes up to short range and destroy my station without destroying all of my defense stations. Or maybe I'm doing something wrong

[@allenson321]

So I have tried this 4 times in singleplayer as a test, each time I did exactly as he said and every time the dragon manages to destroy the starhold. Its X weapon iv noticed is shooting much faster in my game then it is in Montu's video and the same play speed. I even went further on one run with tier 2 strike craft but it ended the same way. From what I can tell they patched this exploit.

[@jamestaylor9887]

so i did this and the first time i failed because its using auto built defense platforms. Make sure you are making a custom hanger defense platform. I litterally slaughtered it, but its was a bit later than year 2030 for various in game reasons.

[@brentschleper8735]

I tried this how do you get past the Perpetual Pursuit of Plume event? Maybe I am silly but every option stops the dragon from being revived.