Stellaris Rural Worlds - Your Economic Backbone

[@KomradTruck]

Hey there! Please note that the market limits are a bit different from what you have mentioned in the video (as for 3.1 patch) Purchase - 52 per month. Sell - 140ish per month. 130 is a safe bet I usually go for. Apart of that, stellar video, as always!

[@andycoolguy1]

Have these changed at all for the most recent patch?

[@KomradTruck]

@@andycoolguy1 hey! Still the same

[@andycoolguy1]

Ahh, perfect, cheers!

[@michka841]

Anyway I prefer to trade directly with foreign empires, you can sell/buy as much as you want, and with recent patches you can even exchange some more "exotic" things like fleets

[@mortache]

146 for selling iirc

[@magisterrleth3129]

I know you recommend not to have farming worlds, but if I find a wet world with 15-20 agriculture district slots and the Lush trait, I simply cannot help but settle it as an agri-world. I love having my little green jewels.

[@NikolayMIA]

Same here, it’s logical solution

[@magisterrleth3129]

@@NikolayMIA It's more an RP thing for me. I build them up with things like Holo Theaters, Commercial Zones, and Paradise domes so they can be my headcannon vacation world, where people from the eccuminopoli go to get in touch with the beauty of nature.

[@alon4039]

Ikr since I play as a lot of Authoritarian builds I feel like I need to have decent food income,or my people will revolt against the “free” Government,just a RP thing but still 💀

[@Oblong-Orange]

@@magisterrleth3129 that’s how I rp mine too

[@KayveePlays]

I mean honestly I use catalytic processes so agri worlds are super important to me.

[@Chestyfriend]

My average run, the first 4 possible colony candidates all have between 0 and 3 mining or generator districts available, but at LEAST 9 farming ones.

[@letsplaysvonaja1714]

I think cold is good for mines, dry is good for energy and wet worlds has mostly farm districts

[@TheRewasder97]

Yes, that's basically it, but it's also up to Rngesus

[@Skyler827]

They can become administrative, industrial, or science worlds then. move your capital to the new science worlds and have your original capital focus on mining and energy. If you still can't get good mining or energy planets, take voidborne and build mining/energy habitats.

[@humbertoseghetto5218]

Don't even need to move the capital, sure you get less total tech output, but a research world is actually more resource efficient, so unless you have infinite CG it's slightly better to have the capital as a mining/generator world

[@marciusnhasty]

Completely unrelated to this video: Montu is simply a genius! I challenged myself to play default UNE (no changes to civics and human traits). Adoptable +10% habitability Orbital Speed Demon anomaly +5% habitability Montu's recommendation for using Gene Clinics for +5% habitability. One cheap +5% habitability tech in society and a bit of adoptability tradition tree and suddenly there are so many good colonies. Unemploying colonists to work as medical workers can be crazy good!

[@valdonchev7296]

One other note: the energy grid and mineral hub buildings increase their respective district cap by +2 (+4 if upgraded) for robotic civs (machine intelligence/synthetic evolution), which can even make planets poor in energy districts viable as generator colonies.

[@rattled6732]

Void dwellers. ‚‘Look at what they need to do to imitate a fraction of our power!‘‘

[@blitzkrieg8776]

Just a little tip, always grab the resource bonus building techs when they show up, I've had it that the mineral one doesn't show up again until sometime after a hundred years or so once the game began.

[@manofcultura]

Get a scientist with industry trait. It help the RNG for getting industry techs listed.

[@blitzkrieg8776]

@@manofcultura Then you've never seen my terrible RNG

[@manofcultura]

@@blitzkrieg8776 no doubt. I’ve suffered similarly. I tend to try to steal tech if my code breaking is high enough, you tend to get lower tier research before anything else using steal technology missions. Just trying to say there are ways to mitigate bad rng not stop it lol.

[@1Maklak]

I highly recommend having a secondary and maybe even tertiary type of output per world. Over time, the economy experiences jumps in supply and demand of resources, especially after conquering planets and it's good to have a way of balancing it out by shifting Jobs. In addition to Hydroponics Bays, a good filler module for Starbases are Anchorages with logistics offices. Six Naval Capacity normally costs a Soldier Job.

[@grahamturner2640]

The only problem is that you can have a limited amount of upgraded starbases before their upkeep starts jumping drastically. Once you go over your starbase cap, the upkeep of all starbases in your empire will go up by 25% per starbase you are over your cap.

[@1Maklak]

@@grahamturner2640 Yes and there are some free ones plus one per ten systems. It's definitely not worth going over the Starbase Limit and late game the only realistic way of getting Naval Capacity is to distribute Soldier Jobs over the colonies. Similarly, farms are needed eventually. It's just that Hydroponics Bays and Anchorages are useful in the mid-game.

[@marciusnhasty]

PDX: Let's uncouple pop growth from food surplus. PDX: Let's forget about the lore saying that certain Ecumunopolis failed into the abandoned relic world because someone didn't have entire farming worlds specialized to feed it. PDX: Let's make Starbase hydroponics more efficient. Players today: What are farming worlds good for? KZbin: Role play only...

[@hulmhochberg8129]

they are good if you go for clone vats. they need lots of food, so you actually need a farm world for that, besides that you are right, sadly.

[@mehawimes629]

Agreed. I think maybe food requirements for pops should be increased to make it more challenging. A very densely populated planet that produces little to no food production like an ecumenopolis would require enormous amounts of food imports.

[@letsplaysvonaja1714]

Eh, the starbase food building might be nice, but unless you go massively over your starbase capacity there's no way it can replace farm districts

[@KatyaAbc575]

@@mehawimes629 There should be a supply system rather. To incentivise planets being self sufficient.

[@mehawimes629]

@@KatyaAbc575 Indeed, that would be better. I never liked the system where whatever you mine in one planet magically materializes in another to be processed into alloys. But implementing a supply system would probably take more work for the devs so I'm not sure if they are willing to implement it.

[@kowaleckacper6256]

Peeaciful? As a stellaris player I dont know how write this.

[@RedBoko2017]

why would you want an empire full of peas anyway

[@Redsauce101]

I wish they would put the excess food mechanic back into the game to improve pop growth.

[@redeye4516]

I've actually come to like the Agraran Idyll civic though. I made my first pacifist empire a few days ago and took the aforementioned civic because I saw that with it, agriculture districts gave amenities and housing, and every four of them gave an extra building slot for the special buildings. So far I haven't needed to build any city districts at all on my home planet, I took the aquatic start that gives you the size 30 home planet and most of it is filled with farm slots. By 2400 I was making over 1k food a month and hadn't needed to built anything related to amenities or housing so long as that world had enough farms on it, so basically only on the planets more suited to industrial use. The amount of food I was selling per month did cause the price of food to plummet to zero and I crashed the galactic economy for it, but I ended up selling a bunch to the AI empires for what I needed for a better deal. So basically I've made a good Prospectorium for when Overlord drops. I'm gonna try this one with a friend, give him all my excess food and get provided everything else so he doesn't need to build farm districts. Oh, and of course I gave them the snail portrait, the one with the wheat in its mouth. Can't forget that one, it's practically essential to use the peaceful farmer snail portrait for the peaceful farming empire, otherwise what are you doing with your life?

[@TheRewasder97]

I feel like a special video for machines as they work slightly different, like not having ecus, not needing food, resource districts giving more districts and all. But like taking i to account all this planet build videos. I just love my machines so much.

[@litchgath]

Man your videos are definitely making me a better player Montu!

[@jamesbrown9306]

I feel like I could learn Astrophysics, if you taught it

[@TheArklyte]

Scott Manley would help you.

[@KatyaAbc575]

@@TheArklyte He doesnt teach the mathematical basis for the calculations though. Hes merely a space-related news outlet.

[@MontuPlays]

Huh, funny you should mention physics...

[@Codexter1]

@@MontuPlays Hey Montu! What did you study? Out of curiosity

[@H-A-S_ever]

Hello montu Your videos help me in stellaris Thank you for being an awesome teacher.

[@MontuPlays]

Glad you like them! And glad to hear that they help

[@thatoneguywiththeface6762]

@@MontuPlays what about the food trading better in direct deals? Ie. 100 food provides more towards deal acceptance then 100 energy. 2x as much last I checked.

[@IAmTanker]

THIS IS WHAT I NEEDED

[@CRESZCZYK]

if you find the time i would love if you made a video on the market. like maximum resources you can buy/sell a month without penalty and any other helpful tips you know.

[@FancyZling]

I appreciate all the hard work you've been putting in to all these videos! So much good info

[@lazylonewolf]

Instead of Catalytic Processing being a civic, there really needs a building instead even if it might be hard to balance. People might go for that rather than mineral-to-alloy forges, though it could be balanced by making it slightly inefficient or cost more energy, who knows. At least we'll be able to use that surplus food for something other than selling and cloning vats.

[@TheLouisvilleJedi]

How can you make a video titled "Rural Worlds - Your Economic Backbone" and then not even discuss the Rural World specialization?

[@MontuPlays]

Like this...

[@mortache]

You can buy 52 minerals before the price creeps. You can also buy 12 alloys and 24 CG, its even better than buying minerals since you aren't wasting pops and resources to convert minerals to alloy/CG I do make farm worlds mid-late game if I find lush planets, and fill it up with hydroponics bays too

[@KeinNiemand]

Or you can buy way more then that for way better prieces if you trade directly with the AI, it's like 10x better, sure it's limited but late game the easily able to trade 100s of most resources per month and that's with ensign level AI production.

[@mortache]

@@KeinNiemand honestly if the AI is at a level where it will trade with me, I'll just vassalize it peacefully instead. This is more about the starting decades though, late game you usually have max resources of everything pretty easily

[@Tabby3456]

I remember back in my day, if you had excess food more than you can stockpile, it would double or even triple pop growth

[@PyrrhicPax]

One tip that I didn't hear u mention, but that helped me immensely, was the SECTORS TAB. In the early game, planet management is critical and shouldn't be left to the AI, but in the late game, having 15+ planets can be pretty hard to manage, especially with wars going on. The Sectors tab really helped me Manage planets in the late game, when you have a massive empire with lots of planets across a many systems

[@JohndrewtheSylveonking]

I like Void Dweller cause it makes it easier to specialize resource output based on the deposits it built on. Habitats built over Mineral deposits are obviously geared towards mining and maybe even alloy and consumer good production. And habitats built just in random spots are geared towards food and trade. And then if you go deeper into mega structures, slap down some Dyson spheres and Matter Decompressors. Energy and Mineral problems solved for a long time. If your resource deficit is so high that even a fully upgraded structure can’t fix it, then something is wrong, cause 2k minerals a month from Decompressors is a huge bonus. Plus going for certain traits or civics is also ideal. Even swapping traits for certain planets can help. For example you could give miners on mining worlds the industrious trait, farmers on farming worlds, Agrarian, researchers on research worlds, any number of research traits, etc. Will create a mess of sub species, oh yes definitely, but worth it. I not only specialize worlds but have even gone as far as specializing traits for even more output.

[@Kaiser282]

There is actually one good reason to have a surplus of food: trade. Idk why but food seems to be really popular with AI empires mid game. Though all that surplus food could have been consumer goods or alloys which they like better and might be more cost efficient. Unless you have really efficient slaves then maybe they'd be better.

[@jasondobbie2381]

As a machine empire, I use food to manipulate other empires diplomatic attitudes towards me. Use food in trade deals without asking for anything in return. Food is a good diplomatic tool for machine empires.

[@Razgriz032]

Nah, I will stay to put 1/2 planet specialized on farming, so in my RP games my people can choose back to medieval era if some of them think industrialisation was a mistake

[@shorewall]

The consequences of the industrial revolution have been disastrous, so I'm taking a space ship to Centari Prime, to go back to nature... using fusion technology to farm. 😀

[@gracefulcubix4730]

Don't forget about sector stockpile. That sh8t is underrated.

[@AndrewChumKaser]

A food surplus is useful if you have the organic alloys civic, since you'll be turning food into alloys.

[@IainDoherty51]

There are a few really high end traits that came in with the Aquatic update. Notably the one that shifts your Alloy production to require Food instead of minerals, and that is an enormous advantage for the empire in that case. When combined with uncapped Agri Districsts on Ocean worlds... Yeah, it gets a tad broken.

[@brocksamson3282]

0:29 Never pour chemicals like that ! Also, why would a chemical be transferred from that vessel to the other one? Picture is very "sus".

[@caileanfindlytearle6936]

Found the scientists

[@brocksamson3282]

@@caileanfindlytearle6936 I'd hope even a non-scientist can realize that pouring like that will result in the chemical being poured all over your hand.

[@ByztinBadger]

Strategic Resources guide please. I always find they are the choke point of my economy and I’m always struggling to keep up their production with my buildings.

[@GenericOverusedName]

Agri is good if you're running catalytic processing tho, right? Obviously that's a weird edge case.

[@lordcrekit]

I just always have so much trade (as a natural extension of building cities- I've never built a trade hub) that I don't need more energy credits

[@GloriousEagle69]

if u dont know always go for energy u can trade energy into mineral or food at 1.17 energy which is cheap just try to stay at +30 on the others if ur in a trade federation just go trade its converted into everything also.

[@seringo7675]

The new civic this will be interesting, The huge ocean world one, Because the capital will be the resource producing one.

[@DrewPicklesTheDark]

Sometimes I make a farming world if it has like 12 agri districts and a +15% (or whatever) modifier for food, then I fill it up with whatever the planet version of hydroponics bays are and it usually ends up producing like 750 food so you never have to worry about food again.

[@KeinNiemand]

My single agri world with only 8 agri districts is producing 891, tough that's with a couple of reapeatable upgrades to food, I think it's worth to have one agri world instead of using a building on every single starbase.

[@paul-antoineleboeuf6357]

Meanwhile, me still playing at Cadet difficutly learning the game, floating in cash - energy, mineral, alloys, food, etc with my megacorp - I need to watch this micro managing video hoping one day I will be as good as you Montu

[@ben5056]

Don’t forget to use the e credit and mineral production edicts, they are insanely good

[@notyetdeleted6319]

*sweats in selling 200 pre per month to internal market and wondering why my energy suddenly went negative 70*

[@YouSietse]

im guessing that if one were to take catalytic processors the role of minerals and food end up being reversed in this guide, only requiring few mineral districts and focus on energy and food?

[@Ancient_Hoplite]

Playing as a MI this is still broken. Bet it will get patched in the next update. Free alloys and frees up minerals for buildings and stations. Only downside is you can't use bioreactors.

[@toxicalyss]

Trading surpluses with other Empires are actually an option. You can play the game diplomatically neutral, armies may end up being just deterrants... Being good is hard but not impossible.

[@flazzorb]

_Monthly trades: -310_ Yes... Production is the issue here...

[@Aerowixx]

What about alloy producing worlds? Sometimes I find a 20-size world which has 3 energy districts and 4 mineral districts. Would that be a good time to put one down?

[@andromidius]

I only ever seem to use Rural Worlds on those sub-ideal worlds where there's no large abundance of a single district type (or xeno worlds before I unlock the tech for Thrall Worlds). Maybe I'm doing it all wrong?

[@redtsun67]

I always have at least one major agricultural world because I hate seeing resource production in the negative.

[@musicninja98]

Um you need food for cloning vats. They cost 30 food each for upkeep.

[@Seth90]

most important message of this video: Always boost the output of your minors!

[@TrentLayell]

Yesterday I made a comment on one of your videos that it's more efficient to build generator districts and buy 50 minerals on the market and today I see this video. Coincidence? ;-)

[@simdoughnut659]

Catalytic Processing enters the chat. "Am I a joke to you?"

[@geofff.3343]

If you get a planet that can only do tons of agriculture, you can just use that as as an agriworld to literally feed your entire empire for basically the entire game (allowing your starbases to use other modules as hydroponics aren't efficient the wider you get). Basically the same idea is the same: Minimize agriculture, maximize energy.

[@russman3787]

0:45 "it will provide the lifeblood of your empire, basic resources" *glances at district slots* Are you sure about that

[@johnrobinson8027]

I have min maxed my synthetic empire to use all food produced as cash to buy exotic materials like living metal etc.

[@JokerDR71]

Sorry for offtopic but how do you handle piracy? I tend to build up the starbases with weapon modules but that wastes slots of course. But i find it annoying to send ships to patrol, i also need them in combat.

[@RomeAWest]

Just thrall world it. Always works for me. 2-3 and you’re good.

[@caelestigladii]

I find it funny that a starbase, in itself an engineering marvel only short of megastructures, is the most reliable "farming world".

[@VasiliyOgniov]

Montu: Farming worlds are not recommended, better use starbases. My >3k pops empire: Allow me to introduce myself.

[@mcgunboat8339]

When I run Catalytic Processing, I rarely run mineral worlds until midgame, and instead what would be mining worlds are agriworlds

[@TheRufas24]

me wondering what to do when the only planets i seem to get is around 3 mining and reactor district and farming is like 9+

[@hulmhochberg8129]

but what about those shitty small planets with only 2-4 destricts each? is the rural world designation worth it, the one that boosts all basic resources?

[@ericrollin2331]

Depending on the size of said world I personally either make it an Urban World (+ trade value) if it's small, 12 or lower. Anything bigger starts getting Industrial districts instead and gets whichever planet designation I happen to need (Industrial/Forge) at the time. Not sure if that's optimal, probably not honestly, but it's worked out most of the time.

[@eax2010EA]

They should increase unity output on rural worlds.

[@nicholaswallen8147]

Absolute noob to stellaris here, question, when I make a resource planet, should I find the number of jobs the planet could need and just raise my pops till that number and then stop? I keep getting hit with unemployment and it starts a downhill chain. I'm asking cuz I'm learning this game is both extremely fun but holy hell is it complicated lol

[@norsia1946]

so as far as I understood, do not bother with agri districts, only go for station hydroponics and buy the food I need if I need any, focus on energy first, then minerals.

[@baldwiniv5339]

make a video on what to do with refinery worlds

[@valthorix7347]

I just play with gigastructures and buy food while rushing the yggdrasil orchard complex. They're expensive but once you get it built it's 700 food + 600 society research for 150 energy monthly with no job cost. Frees up a lot of jobs and you can spam them as long as you have gas giants.

[@phylippezimmermannpaquin2062]

The planetoid dlc is the perfect excuse for me to produce food

[@leftkehsvault2712]

And what about Planet Ascension? Is it worthwhile to invest in it?

[@classydemongaming847]

I may be new or what ever but what was the ship set of the colossus in the beginning.

[@filipkrizan4857]

Can you do a video about starting habitable planet or something like this please?

[@MontuPlays]

your capital?

[@SolazLive]

I usually just increase my alloys production and force someone else to make my basic resources

[@keerf255]

Wait, my pops used to grow faster because of food surplus? So you're telling me I didn't need to sell most of it off and could've grown even faster if I kept it???

[@brocksamson3282]

Buying minerals with energy is only 5% more cost effective than directly mining the minerals. 1.5 * 0.7 = 1.05 Edit: oops. this is wrong, see Michal's comment.

[@yeskelvejast4174]

*min-maxing intensifies*

[@michalolejnik2038]

Its actually 15% more effective, 1 mineral cost 1.3 energy, 1.5÷1.3~1.154. One technician produces ~ 4.615 minerals

[@brocksamson3282]

@@michalolejnik2038 hmm, looks like you are correct, sir. 15% would make this strategy worthwhile. Good to know.

[@RegularCody]

@@michalolejnik2038 wait, what? It's more effective to just not run miners?

[@michalolejnik2038]

@@RegularCody no, if you buy to much minerals their price will rise and miners will become more effective than technicians. You can buy 50 minerals per month untill price start to grow, frim this point you should use miners.

[@orelyosif5852]

Lithoids and machines: *I don't have such weakness*

[@humanbean1560]

However, I personally would never use a 24-tile world for base resource production.

[@sempermilites87]

Is there a way to have the mineral hub tech drop more consistently? I always seems to have a building slot ready for it in all my runs, but sometimes it never shows up when you need it.

[@jacobd9652]

If you use a scientist who specializes in industry for research, grab industry techs and it becomes more likely to drop.

[@Areszvt]

I still feel aquatic is really strong with food and selling said food

[@keulron2290]

I have lot of farming slots built very few agriculture worlds. Yet still have enough food to feed my 750+ pops.

[@theHippiecat15]

Where is the thumbnail from?

[@sir-reynauld-the-kleptomaniac]

What love having farming worlds just to give them more personality…

[@wilhelmvonlaer5699]

Food is a great ressource to sell on the galactic market though!

[@ryanstewart2289]

Hydro-bays are sneakily the best tech in the game.

[@basiwolf9147]

As a megacorp main now I can just buy all the resources I need

[@domschra]

Your empire may have a fantastic research output. No :( You may be producing a phenomenal amount of alloys. 30 alloys a month go brrr ;-;

[@autosneak1618]

I like how u define ur research output as "no"

[@Pactastic042]

Produce 30 consume 4500

[@domschra]

@@Pactastic042 only with giga & acot

[@zeehero7280]

so you're saying rural world designation is worth it?

[@downwindfish1]

My ringworld has a few objections with the title

[@kar351]

Machine rules all!

[@bombidil3]

If playing any empire that requires cloning vats, you will probably need to create a farming world at some point.

[@billeygaming]

nice video

[@danielgloyd4529]

I will point out one thing completely forgotten in this video. Food for diplomacy. It's not just the market. You can sell food directly to other empires. You can use it to boost relations. Payoff the marauders. Setup monthly trades food for enery or food for other resources etc. Not really as useful if you are going to kill everyone around you. Food does have other uses though.

[@wilhelmvonlaer5699]

keep calm and do Lithoid lifestock on your Ringworlds and Ecumonopoli lol^^

[@plmokm33]

There actually is something you can do with extra food other than selling it for EC: give it away. I find that AI empires don't really care what you give them (machine intelligence took my consumer goods lol), they just care about quantity. Throw your extra food at any empires that you have bad relations with.

[@downwindfish1]

Montu having maxed rare crystals made me die inside, I’m used to having -30 rare crystals late game

[@DayCoreTR]

Which film video from?

[@calastyphon2510]

Catalytic processing civic mixed with agrarian trait

[@ricktherock]

Personally i love food in this game. It's great to trade for alloys with ai.

[@leaflotus6726]

Me who lacks nothing due to trade league and mining on other peopls planets as well as ecumanops with only alloy and some city. (And don't get me started on tech) technicians can go to the devouring swarm

[@mortyjhones4068]

This is slightly out of date... as of latest patch. Any nation can build 'BIO REACTOR' buildings which converts 25 food into 10 energy. per month. with the correct traits or race featers you convert food into Alloys of Consumer goods

[@FuelDropforthewin]

One hidden strength of food: the AI is really bad at producing it, so you can often bribe friendly-ish AIs with it in the early game to get stuff like sensor data and communications channels for one off payments of 100 food from your stockpile.

[@eduardmart1237]

Doesn’t it simpler just buy all the food?