Moral Limbo in the Workplace w/ Fr. Gregory Pine, O.P. & Fr. Thomas More Garrett, O.P.

[@aiantenor9080]

Thank Fr Garrett for providing an example on how to communicate standing up to what we believe in towards the end. I agree on Fr Pine that Fr Garrett has indeed provided us with clear images and 4 reasons that we can draw upon. God bless you both and thank you so much.

[@aiantenor9080]

*Thank you

[@aiantenor9080]

Thank you Fathers. This helped me. The person in your example who might have to look for another job if I leave my current job, is similar to my considerations that I'm thinking for my situation Fr Pine. Please pray for me.

[@tjsurname119]

Thank you so very much for this Divinely Inspired vitally important discussion that we are hearing nowhere else ! This is so brilliant and so thoroughly enjoyable watching two fine Christian Fathers demonstrate with such charming hilarious interaction the meaning of the words "workplace colleagues" and "workplace friends". It is thoroughly heartwarming and then it dives deep into such wisdom that this is my third watch in the last 15 hours. This time I will be taking notes, because the wisdoms shared in this thoroughly enjoyable friendly good hearted - beautiful interaction just put tears in my eyes even when I was trying to focus on the heavy content during my second watch ! It reminds me of just how little "good will" most of us actually encounter nowdays. Thank you to Fr. Gregory Pine and Fr. Thomas Garrett. I beyond LOVED watching every moment of this. This is what learning should be, addictive, inspiring and the outflowing of love which convey essential wisdoms.

[@amaraheising4672]

Thank you Dominican Fathers. Your presentations are much appreciated. Prayers your way.

[@ThomisticInstitute]

You're welcome! Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment. May the Lord bless you!

[@lilamaria4872]

Dear Fr Gregory and Fr Thomas More what a 'hot" welcome to this podcast. I agree Fr Gregory is just about every where to be seen and listened to. But very worth while. May God bless you both abundantly ! 🙏✨️🙏✨️🙏

[@EmilyNIcholas-c4x]

Thank you Fr pine ! This video is an answer to one of many questions I’ve had my entire working life ! So inspired to explore the Dominican way of life !

[@ThomisticInstitute]

You're welcome! Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment. May the Lord bless you!

[@iqgustavo]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:02 📜 Father Gregory Pine and Father Thomas More Garrett discuss moral cooperation in the workplace. 01:42 🚗 An example is presented where an Uber driver faces moral dilemmas about the destination and cooperation with potentially unethical activities. 09:07 🤔 People often grapple with scrupulosity (over-concern about moral correctness) or negligence in moral decision-making. 14:32 👍 It's important to strike a balance between scrupulosity and negligence, recognizing the need to avoid both extreme tendencies. 20:28 🙏 Even in morally challenging situations, it's crucial to remain aware of one's role in perpetuating or distancing from evil actions and take appropriate actions to exercise the soul. 23:28 🔄 Leaving a morally challenging profession should not be the immediate solution; Catholics can be valuable in various professions and should exercise prudence in making moral decisions. 25:44 🤝 Cooperation involves formal and material cooperation, where formal cooperation entails actively engaging in an immoral action with enthusiasm, while material cooperation involves cooperating in immoral activities of another. 27:33 📖 Material cooperation may be permissible under certain circumstances, but it's essential to note that it doesn't inherently make an action morally acceptable; it depends on the specific situation. 30:32 🤔 To determine if an act of material cooperation is permissible, four factors should be considered: the cooperator's action must be morally good or at least indifferent, the cooperator must not intend the principal actor's act, the good effect achieved by cooperating must not be outweighed by the bad effect, and the proximity to the immoral action must be assessed. 37:08 💡 It's crucial to evaluate your moral stance in cooperation with evil continually and not get too comfortable with such cooperation. Seeking creative solutions, discussing concerns with supervisors, and knowing when to draw boundaries can help navigate morally challenging situations in the workplace. Made with HARPA AI

[@mikethemonsta15]

Lovely podcast!

[@mikethemonsta15]

​@brendamyc3173that's a good point!

[@tinalettieri]

the Dominicans are unique- Love them!

[@ThomisticInstitute]

Glad you're enjoying the podcast! Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment. May the Lord bless you!

[@tinalettieri]

@ThomisticInstitute I didn't get to go to the Dominican school I wanted but I have three great Dominican stories. My mom took me to Europe by ship the summer before I turned 12. I was a terrible ping-pong player. There was a young Dominican sister on board, and she taught me how to play. She was lots of fun. The next story is that I married a Byzantine Catholic. My cranky old pastor acknowledged that the wedding had to be Byz. But he refused to allow it. My Mom knew that St. Vincent Ferrer was famed for their music, so since my then fiancé lived in NYC, we approached them. They loved the idea of learning the chants and did a gorgeous job. The third story is that I needed copies of my other Sacramental records. Those were in a different parish and when that pastor heard I live in Israel, I got the whole Christ killer blood libel but no documents. So I contacted St. Vincent's since they would have them from the marriage and the wonderful secretary contacted my home diocese and I got everything.

[@tinalettieri]

The issue of the nurse at the abortion is not even a question for me. I took a job doing an anesthesiologist's billing. After a couple of days, I saw all he did all day was sit in the OR and do abortion after abortion. I just got up and walked out. I did this from his home office and no one was there. I couldn't participate even on that level. If I were the nurse in your example, there would have been no hesitation and if it meant not even loss of job, but actual profession, so be it. Seriously, Fr. Thomas, work in a facility that murders children to provide for YOUR living children? Uh, no, sorry, that's materially helping the evil doers. It's also profiting from the evil. The immediate good effect is temporal and temporary. It is too high a price to pay eternally.

[@ironymatt]

I thought that an extreme example too. A nurse can find work at any medical institution - hospitals are in perennial need of them. On the other hand it may be that Fr More wanted to illustrate the options available to someone in a worst case scenario, but this could be uncomfortably analogous to Germans in the 1930s being required to perform supposedly minute and innocuous tasks that taken in the aggregate amounted to the perpetuation of the holocaust. One would hope the line could be drawn further back than that.

[@tinalettieri]

@@ironymatt Yes, you're probably right but it was a poor example for a priest. It gives the untutored the idea that it merits consideration when it doesn't. I love the intellectualism of the Dominicans. I was very disappointed my mother wouldn't make a little extra effort to send me to a Dominican school. However, sometimes intellectual priests forget that their flock may not have the formation and acquired knowledge to work these things out properly. One has to be very clear in the examples one uses not to give the impression that certain topics merit consideration. They don't. There are some very clear boundaries as you demonstrate in your German example. My mom was not the most pious Catholic but she was a doctor and had an excellent grasp of medical ethics. If a woman came to her seeking an abortion, and this was before Roe, she would tell them off and ask them to leave. Not because it was "illegal" but because it was morally wrong.

[@ironymatt]

@@tinalettieri God bless you and your mom! This way of thinking was proper and certainly more common than our current times. Roe was a travesty on every level, but not least because it was the sanctioning of the most inherently evil sin by the highest court in the land - and the ties to it and the horrors of '30s Germany are more than just analogous as you're likely aware. The beauty of our faith is that Christ came not for the righteous but sinners, ie: in His divinely mysterious ways there's hope even for the least pious amongst us. My mom, though not Catholic at the time, actually did attend a Dominican middle school in her upbringing, as her father was a doctor also. This was no doubt a considerable factor in her conversion later, as something she mentioned on more than a few occasions was her love for the nuns that instructed her. Let us pray for a return to form in our educational institutions.

[@tinalettieri]

@ironymatt Amen and God bless you too.

[@marilynmelzian7370]

I absolutely agree. I think there are some places of work that you just want to stay away from no matter what.

[@marilynmelzian7370]

I have serious doubts about this concept of proportionalism. I read a critique of that principle quite recently. It seems to be a kind of situation ethics. I have also seen it connected with Pope Francis and his murky approach to morality. If all you can do is be a janitor in an abortion clinic, then it is better to starve.

[@hopaideia]

Instead of complaining, ask yourself why it took him so long to invite you to a post cast. It was a little awkward the beginning with a complaint, it would have been better in private.

[@mikethemonsta15]

It was just a joke lol

[@hopaideia]

@@mikethemonsta15 There is a saying that says, between jokes, the truth comes out

[@mikethemonsta15]

​@@hopaideiaI think the truth is that these two like to rib each other

[@tinalettieri]

@@mikethemonsta15 Obvious from Fr. Greg being in hysterics.

[@ironymatt]

Reminds me of how angels can fly because they take themselves lightly. There's a lesson in there I think, but not for the friars...