More Documents Found: How Much Trouble is Biden in?

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With Biden's recent mishandling of classified Vice Presidential documents, many are comparing the situation with Trump's Mar-a-Lago scandal. So what exactly happened? How similar are these situations? And what does this mean for Biden's political future?
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[@madmachanicest9955]

You know this probably happens a hell of a lot more than we hear about when you consider that the average age of a American congressmen is in there mid-70s. That means they're all at the age of senility or beyond it. Every last one of them is probably lost or misplaced paperwork.

[@candiman4243]

Even people at ages where such factors aren't a worry, how often have you ever lost something important? We probably need better safeguards against the forgetful human nature

[@deinonychus3421]

The staff is usually responsible for moving things, including documents.

[@Observer-O]

@@chollyappleseed1969 secured in the possession of the highest bidder.

[@Tmb1112]

Listen I'm all for calling out the elderly members of the US government... but there's no need to exaggerate. It just makes your point lose validity when the actual average age of a US congressman in the House is 58.4, and senators 64.3. Not the mid-70s. Simple Google search is all it takes.

[@unconventionalideas5683]

It does exist.

[@Mekrinel]

Frankly, Biden’s breeches show that the exit process from the Whitehouse in general isn’t good enough. Maybe it’s time to stop having their internal staff sort things out when they leave, and start having the records office staff do it instead.

[@E3ECO]

Agreed. Leaving Congressional members should also have their documents vetted. This is clearly a systemic problem.

[@bm1747]

Fully investigate and throw the book at both. Rules need to apply to everyone. The more power you have, the more suspicion you should be under and the worse the consequences.

[@evandugas7888]

Agreed the US has a corruption issue on both sides. Biden has made a mistake where trump was more deceptive. At least so far. Biden is still at fault but it's not to the same extreme as trump.

[@alexd832]

Yep

[@sarmeister1699]

agreed

[@emtheslav2295]

Agreed. Say it for one, say it for all.

[@SkepticalRaptor]

There is no book to throw. The law has no legal consequences.

[@theo_korner]

I think a major problem is that the documents were there while the object in question was rented out to a third party

[@paulgarcia2887]

Nothing like renting an apartment and finding highly classified government documents sitting in the corner

[@roryokane5907]

@@paulgarcia2887CIAirbnb?

[@kingace6186]

Your talking about the literal resort, Mar-o-logo, right.

[@colekarrh9114]

At this point I think we have to check all the presidents houses

[@E3ECO]

Yes. It's naive to think Trump and Biden are the only ones. All the Congressional houses, too.

[@admiralfrancis8424]

I don't think Obama is that reckless, but I wonder what documents Clinton and especially Bush may have misplaced.

[@Homer-OJ-Simpson]

I’m starting to think every living president has such documents and so does most members of congress.

[@pearlofthedarkage]

This is the only news outlet I've watched on this whole Biden's documents thing because I just can't trust big media to not milk this stupid shit for all its worth.

[@DnvGoodwin555]

>>I just can't trust big media >>watch TLDR Choose one

[@lol1013]

@@DnvGoodwin555 still not as big as cnn or fox

[@notdonuts7552]

Thank you for specifying S.C.I. when so few news sources do.

[@EverettBurger]

But, they should go deeper in explaining that SCI can't leave the room

[@jamesblack6920]

Just when I was worried about not seeing a TLDR US for a while!

[@EvdogMusic]

They really should expand the channel to 'TLDR Americas'

[@Bigdog5400]

So glad that you guys are keeping this channel alive

[@kingace6186]

To be honest, I was worried TLDR News canceled the US channel without saying a word. I am glad that this channel is still up and running.

[@THarSul]

tbh, i support biden, but regardless of how the records were returned, he needs to be subjected to the same quality of investigation as trump, otherwise we're setting bad legal precedent; if someone's been found to have classified documents in their possession at a time/place where they shouldn't have them, they need to be subjected to rigorous investigation for the sake of the country, no matter what their political affiliation may be.

[@Akrafena]

i agree

[@matthewparker9276]

The real problem with what Trump did is not returning them when asked. Documents end up in the wrong place all the time, but they usually aren't prosecuted unless there's intent, which is why Trump keeping classified documents wasn't news until they actually raided his home. But because Trump's docents turned out to be a big deal, everyone's acting like Biden's documents are a big deal, either to be political or to appear non political.

[@THarSul]

@@matthewparker9276 indeed, and im not accusing biden of stealing anything or obstruction, because they have been nothing but forthcoming about the presence of the documents. this simply indicates that there arent tight enough controls on the location of classified information, and that what we really need is a bit of reform in how we allow powerful people to handle dangerous documents. however, in the interim, it feels prudent to treat these events with a similar level of scrutiny, to be equal in our application of justice, if nothing else.

[@user-eq9xs5fz9u]

idk which is worse. A president who intentionally? or unintentionally storing Classified Material in their private property?

[@EverettBurger]

How do we know one was unintentional? Because their lawyers said so?

[@yrobtsvt]

@@EverettBurger ...yes? It's in the video

[@EverettBurger]

But, the video is making a false conclusion. We have no idea how they got there (and the intention) until after the investigation is complete.

[@LexyLexer]

@@EverettBurger true on that

[@PresidentFlip]

We can tell what’s worse in another way: one where the legal team turned them in right away, and one where they denied having them and lied about having returned them

[@KillCoin56]

It’s sad I believe he forgot about CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS

[@jacobdarling1524]

He really should not be the Democratic candidate in 2024. He is a liability at this point and that should frankly be obvious to everyone. The Dems need to come up with a much stronger candidate that can adequately represent the future of the party and get voters motivated.

[@davidty2006]

Atleast Democrats have a good few somewhat sain people. Hey how bout bernie sanders for the memes?

[@jacobdarling1524]

@@davidty2006 I love Bernie but that is never gonna happen. Though I think that the best case scenario would be for Biden to retire and then both he and Bernie endorse a younger candidate. Someone who can get both sides of the party working together to beat the Republicans in 2024.

[@yrobtsvt]

I don't think there is any candidate as strong as him. Feels similar to Japan at this point where the weak candidate with 30% party support is still the strongest.

[@dontsupportrats4089]

Dems know I will vote "Not crazy but has dementia" before I will vote "Crazy, outright and plain f-ing crazy". Look I already voted for "Not Trump" once.. I will also vote "Not Crazy"..

[@karankapoor2701]

@@jacobdarling1524 like pete or Kamala

[@akinman123]

Im glad this channel is active and being from the US, I am always excited when there’s a video from the TLDR us channel. Keep up the good work team 🎉

[@jsnel9185]

So tired of electing out of touch senior citizens to our most powerful office. Its vampires vs mummies here in the states.

[@jeffmorris5802]

Great coverage. Unbiased and factual. Keep up the good work!

[@gambianation2099]

Unbiased....ha ha ha...Trump declassified them as president...Biden was vice P

[@VyshnavNaadh]

unbiased?🤣🤣

[@jeffmorris5802]

@@VyshnavNaadh Indeed. Despite what I would call a rocky start, tl;dr's coverage over the past several months has been remarkably neutral. This episode in particular was an accurate and dispassionate look at a story that could very easily be turned partisan.

[@dgdnite1]

This report is biased. The legal code specifies that you cannot take and retain classified material in this way. Just having the material outside of a secure facility is a criminal offense. For TDLR to state that President Biden has no legal issue is factually incorrect.

[@davidmichels5295]

@@jeffmorris5802 it’s a little biased. And that’s coming from someone who watches every single one of their videos on every one of their channels.

[@andriykolenov4272]

Please don't kill TLDR US! You cover American news in an objective, non-partisan way.

[@Dphunks]

Non-partisan? Ahahahhahahahaha

[@Paul_Davies]

If it was non partisan they'd make separate videos on this issue one on Trump and one on Biden without bringing Trump into this video they'd also connect the dots on Biden and his son with Ukraine instead they mention Trump as much as possible to deflect

[@GwainSagaFanChannel]

No offence but this channel is run by british people not americans so its more non partisan than any american media since its from an outsider perspective

[@Niilomaan]

@@Paul_DaviesNote that these are current news stories, not long term documentaries, and the 2 cases share so many similarities that it'd make no sense to completely separate them. And while this video keeps making comparisons to Trump its clearly centered around Biden.

[@twomasta]

They're not good. It's for the best that they skuttle the channel

[@erez2111]

Thanks for the clarification on this story.

[@EE.333]

since we only seem to want to elect septagonarians and octogenarians in this country, we really should get used to such document loss taking place. And better, we could make it so the records office has the primary responsibility for handling and getting the documents when someone leaves office.

[@ASLUHLUHCE]

My guy just wanted a souvenir

[@tahliae]

That’s two senile old men in a row that are wandering off with documents. We really need to start doing age limits…

[@idklolz5418]

Glad to see a new video on here!

[@FalconsEye58094]

unless 67 senators say he has to go, he's in no more trouble thanTrump was, the President is untouchable

[@caspermadlener4191]

"It was not about the scandal, it was about what happened afterwards" -explaination shock about watergate I hope that he is able to handle this well.

[@dispergosum]

My thoughts when I saw the story here first: oh boy this has got to have some merit behind it

[@oaklandasfan2090]

This is a major scandal

[@KhaalixD]

Great video!

[@nerdlingeeksly5192]

How about we just stop taking documents off of Government grounds, if you want to read something either keep it with you at all times or leave it somewhere that isn't going to cause a fuss

[@MrSpinaldan]

Love the use of the TV advert warning in bars. Proper retro.

[@brotherjew1]

Well, based on the precedent we JUST got, probably zero.

[@Ivanfpcs]

I'm 100% sure Biden simply forgot about it, he is old.

[@madmachanicest9955]

If anything this is more of a reason to put and age / term limit on members of government as Ben is 80 years old most of Congress are in there mid-70s and are like sinal and many likely have dematica

[@EverettBurger]

Or simply secure information better. No TS/SCI can leave a particular room....even if the POTUS asks for it to be brought to the oval office

[@michaelstfort]

You back!!! 💯

[@countduku959]

I feel like they're going to skewer Biden more than they did with Trump, because if the current seating in Congress

[@EverettBurger]

How do? During Trump's second half of the term, DNC held Congress.

[@tiowa6174]

@@EverettBurgerrepublicans ran on investigating biden and his administration though

[@Izzy-qf1do]

He unclassified them just by thinking about it. 😅

[@judeavision8807]

as funny as it seems, this is a legitimate defense for a president. no one is above him in classification. This would only make his actions a violation of the records act, which carries no punishment.

[@Izzy-qf1do]

@@judeavision8807 as far as I know matters the intent or if he knew about them. Plus he's currently president he can't be prosecuted. Just mismanagement of documents in the Whitehouse as a whole.

[@judeavision8807]

@@Me-yq1fl any amount of research would have shown why your notions of this being "legalistic country"....whatever that means....just doesnt work here. There is a REASON why the president is the final authority on classification....because what if the president needs to negotiate with other countries? The US has a lot of classified secrets, particularly abroad. If the president is not the final authority, then his power in diplomacy is particularly meaningless. To be blunt, your words are a fantasy. Yes, there would need to be a paper trial to comply with the records act. However, there is no punishment for violating it, nor is trump being investigates for violating it. He's being investigated for violating the espionage act, which is different. What its going to come down to is, is the president considered acting in executive capacity when taking documents while moving out of the white house. If yes, then there is no violation here. If no though, then there might be an argument to say its espionage. However, the judiciary may be reluctant to decide that.

[@mattbenz99]

The weird thing is that this could work as a legal defense. There isn't really a standard process for declassifying documents. It is a stupid argument, but it could cut down the potential conviction to just mishandling documents labeled classified (which is still a crime even if they aren't actually classified anymore). Although, this would also end up creating a scenario where they have to release the documents since they are no longer classified.

[@svos7559]

Why do Americans keep on electing old guys to office

[@ZZ_Szabo]

So things to keep in mind. Criminal perspective : the criminal code in question is literally speaks to the willful retention of government documents. Classification doesn't really change the severity of this, just the amount willfulness of retention. Politically and financially: it's a bit of a headache. Mostly cause the more documents with classification the more investigations have to be done to mitigate any ways&means info. There is the risk of dog whistling to those who will never bother reading the legislation causing the oversight, but the more material issue really is the waste of money tasking agents with what should be unnecessary investigations and mitigations. Procedurally: DOJ should probably develop a process and team that is in charge of vetting all outgoing items from the White House and probably Congress too when an official's term ends...

[@kscott2655]

Finally, another TLDR US video

[@mcdanksauce3313]

I don’t have much to chime in with, but I enjoyed the video, I enjoy the channel, and I’m commenting to support it.

[@sebastianzmijewski1282]

Ahh yes. The classified documents at a think tank that takes Chinese money in large amounts is not an issue at all.

[@atahualpainca3052]

"...didn't make this discovery public, for reasons that are unclear." Classic TLDR.

[@stevejohnson3357]

Here's a suggestion. You guys could get the late president Nixon's views on this via a ouija board.

[@skobywankenobi]

Why was he paying hunter 50k a month for the place they were found in? Where's that money coming from?

[@HyperScorpio8688]

Everyone say wth me! *And then it got worse*

[@deanseawa]

"COMPRTMENTED"?? (2:10) Another sloppy mistake. These happen a lot.

[@cash_eye]

All I could think about while watching this video was Battlestar Galactica

[@PeeGeeThirteen]

I wonder why people grow jaded with politics Hmmmmm

[@philipguille]

Someone needs a spell checker

[@patrickmcgann2673]

None. Barring some egregious revelation this is going to go nowhere and will be forgotten about by February. That's my take.

[@thomasboyd7007]

Awesome. Excellent channel. You better off with Reno gold Thomas politically.

[@jb40691]

What are the numbers at the upper-right of this video for?

[@ajohndaeal-asad6731]

I'm happy you signify the important key differences in both situtation. Trump in classic Trump egostical and brandish wways was defiant. Biden on the other hand... just simply gave them back. But that narrative won't appease the "but both sides are bad" crowd🤦‍♂

[@mum2jka]

The fact that Biden is using Clinton's obfuscation to 'hide' their 'illegal' activity should be a red flag to everyone including hardcore Democrats.

[@tt-ew7rx]

Both sides are not bad, but both sides are bad with documents.

[@jsnel9185]

One side acted a bit more responsible in the end though.

[@mum2jka]

@@jsnel9185 That is literally like saying one guy murdered someone but asked for a lawyer when arrested, and another guy murdered someone and said 'my bad' when arrested. Seriously, the buck stops at the top and BOTH should be held accountable for what they've done. And BOTH parties should be appalled that their leaders have be reckless with classified documents. And BOTH parties should make a point of holding their leaders accountable for what they've done. No more excuses.

[@EverettBurger]

No, Biden didn't simply give them back. That is why more documents kept being found in different dwellings over a course of weeks.

[@robertgoehner5515]

Send all of them to Prison 6:12

[@cash_eye]

This is a national security issue that needs to be addressed no one but the president or the record office should be allowed to sort these types of documents & every single member of congress who exists congress for the last time should be vetted so this doesn't continue to happen there clearly needs to be some reform on this front or else this issue will continue to happen which could put this country or our allies in danger depending on what the documents contain all In all this is simply unacceptable & a national embarrassment

[@sonicmeerkat]

So trump was defensive and biden was senile. Makes sense tbh lol

[@brantjustilian3791]

It’s kind of something that both of the most decisive presidents, gets destroyed by paper.

[@amata415]

Maybe the US government should brain storm on a better way to keep track of classified documents. Like how you check out library books… I no solution, I’m just venting.

[@joacimbakken5075]

👏👏👏

[@CARL_093]

Karma hits biden in full force

[@leotran9259]

1:57 Really? U really don’t know why they wouldn’t announce this discovery before the midterms 😂 what a joke, it’s pretty obvious to everyone why they didn’t do it.

[@ragingshibe]

And they wonder why they're losing views lol

[@Derbster1981]

I like this show 🍿

[@randomcon123]

Not that it matters, but you spelled compartmented incorrectly in the video

[@thepeff]

When Trump was president I knocked on Biden supporter doors to get them to the polls. I myself didn’t vote and I am feeling good about that decision.

[@Tewhill357]

The reasons; they are unclear. [snicker]

[@matsal3211]

Can more people share and like this video so they don’t move this channel to the global channel

[@madmachanicest9955]

Please for the love of God Republicans we may disagree on a lot of things but stop wasting the government's time. We have an economic housing fuel healthcare and student debts and infrastructure crysis all going on at the exact same do something about that instead of wasting time just racking people with stupid bs like this

[@ClassicalMusic2002]

Both should face the full extent of the law. We need to set the precedent that this behavior is illegal and then adjust the law to see that the National Archives are the ones handling the removal of documents when a president or vice president leaves office.

[@djcokeisnotreal9810]

At least with Biden he's been more corpitve than trump. It's probably a headache dealing with him and his lawyers since ever since he left office It looks like he's been going off the deep end. Though it's not to say Biden is good either, like he was tearing into trump with how he was handling the classified documents( rightfully so in my opinion) when he had some to. Though it could be that he forgot( like he's the oldest president so far) which I hope a bit since I like him some what but also like what this guy said if more reports of this comes out then it's going to be hard to chalk this off as he forgot about them.

[@Rebecca-oh5yh]

I'm just commenting to help the algorithm.

[@Gold-kt4mz]

Usually great coverage on this channel, however it seems like you've taken an offensive attitude against Trump and a defensive attitude towards Biden. still good work, keep it up

[@davidmichels5295]

Yea it’s a great channel but they do have that problem sometimes. A little biased. I would like to see them cover every fact and try to show whole stories.

[@unconventionalideas5683]

The timing is not terrible for Biden. Everyone is distracted by George Santos, who has told so many lies and used so many aliases that people are no longer even sure if his name is George Santos.

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

Two sides of the same coin

[@DralhaEureka]

I really hope Biden does not run in 2024. Being better than Trump (or at least appearing better to the general electorate) is such an outrageously low bar, and Biden is the single Democrat I can think of that barely clears it in numerous areas. Literally any other Democratic senator or governor looks better than Biden right now.

[@anthonygordon2976]

U R 😂

[@louvendran7273]

Who cares?

[@LimeyRedneck]

🤠💜

[@cosmedelustrac5842]

Since Trump still hasn't been sentenced to anything for the assault on the Capitol, I don't think that Biden will be that much at risk (at least concerning the justice system).

[@unconventionalideas5683]

That’s not to say that Trump will not get into trouble. Justice in the US is like molasses in general. It gets there eventually, but Lord is it slow getting there.

[@M4ST3RC]

Trump didn’t assault the capitol. Nancy Pelosi and her cronies allowed it to happen.

[@some0one0unimportant]

Dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum dum

[@dierbloodrose5178]

90% of what you said in this video was false

[@weiserwolf580]

What a convenient coincidence this discovery is, right? well, anything is possible in the United States of Anarchy

[@twomasta]

Autarky not anarchy

[@weiserwolf580]

@@twomasta that works too

[@SgtKaneGunlock]

im mean ACTAUL Anarchy would be Rad as hell but everyone is too much of a wus to try anything other than nation states

[@jochenzimmermann5774]

check the sock drawer.

[@MrWilliamwright]

Talk about a corrupt country

[@White-pm5rr]

Me: an American TLDR: provides better news than ANY American source

[@CyNoe]

Oh no look. You're biased is showing

[@jacobjgleggy1854]

Leaning towards the Democrats??

[@cmdr1911]

The announcement is the issue. Intentionally withheld prior to the election. I also find it funny you can claim you didn't know you had them. Try that with any other crime regarding possession

[@indefatigable8193]

I mean the best thing going for him is that in our justice system intent is everything. Finding intent from Joe Biden is like finding a- oh wait a minute, I just found another document.

[@marselinusnugraha2207]

That's why we need to get rid to these old people. They forgot how to put classified documents

[@madmachanicest9955]

I mean you have a great point the average life expectancy of Americans is the mid-60s most congressman or in their mid-70s see Natalie and early onset dementia starts in the mid-to-late 60s. So the odds of almost every single solitary member of the upper house of Congress having some form of severe mental impairment due to age and still being an office is extremely likely.

[@deinonychus3421]

Their staff is usually responsible for handling documents. In the case of Trump we know he ordered them to be seized.

[@Tmb1112]

5:50 this is where you lose me. It takes a fourth and fifth batch of documents for you to call his claims implausible? Not the second batch? Or the third? Or the fact that some were in a private safe in his garage next to his car? How are you going to pretend like Biden didn't "knowingly" have these documents? Just because he claims it, doesn't mean you should be reporting it as the truth and acting like his actions are any different than Trump's. It's a failure in your journalism, and your journalistic integrity.

[@brunowhitehead8105]

He was Vice President for 8 years, and many of these documents could have been left over from over those 8 years. However, the President and his then team did a poor job indeed of keeping track of this stuff. That is, of course, is giving the President the benefit of the doubt. We will just have to see.

[@literally-just-a-leaf]

The Waffle House has Found Its New Host

[@aliksanon6491]

Who would have thought that having a bunch if geriatric old people handling classified information is a bad idea

[@thomasboyd6492]

Awesome. Excellent channel. Reno gold won 51 Democrats in US Senate mid terms election politically yes. Thomas.

[@vantaplat7411]

Hopefully Biden is impeached, I'd say Hopefully they impeach Trump too but 3 is just comical

[@squidnt4103]

We don’t know enough yet, I agree if he did this intentionally he should be impeached and removed but if he’s just a senile old man who forgot about some classified documents, then he just shouldn’t run again

[@Paerigos]

Well repblicans can literaly do anything in the house, but they will not get anything done in the senate. (and actually getting Harris into presidential seat might be BAD for republicans in long run...) Plus they would have to throw Trump under bus now... so... :D :D :D ITs not helping republicans that much.

[@prometheus7387]

I doubt the senate will find him guilty, just like Trump's senate didn't find him guilty.

[@colierarcherwilliams]

second

[@colierarcherwilliams]

first

[@TheMattsem]

For the last time people all your politician are corrupt I'm sorry even your favorite ones politics is to choose between the Lesser evil that's it

[@youraverageoperator]

The President holds the authority to declassify anything he wants. (Even by thinking it as long as he tells someone) Like the (REDACTED) files. And the truth of how (READACTED) died.

[@youraverageoperator]

@@Me-yq1fl Ok thanks

[@TheRealFurBallz]

Yeah, you guys are taking the koolaid

[@notu13man63]

First

[@teytreet7358]

FFS Biden, we had Trump in the bag....

[@jacobjgleggy1854]

You've never had Trump In the bag, ps he's never going to jail stop believing the same garbage that the Mainstream Media spews out for the last 7 years

[@thoraero]

Good news at the best time. No more old joe's next season.