Will the US Intervene in Haiti (again)?

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With gang violence taking over the streets of Haiti, their acting President has called on foreign assistance to quell the unrest, with the US looking like the only real candidate to intervene. But given their history with the country, is this a good idea?
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[@tmacNCA]

This right here is why I love this channel. Something that concerns my country but something that the 24 hour news cycle doesn’t talk about

[@monkeyboy600]

They DO talk about it, what the fuck are you talking about??? It's not covered over and over again, because not much has happened so far...

[@tmacNCA]

@@monkeyboy600 wow. Hostile for no reason. I have not heard anything about Haiti except for what this channel has provided today and in past stories they’ve run.

[@toyotaprius79]

You'd much prefer People's Dispatch, or Democracy Now TLDR is pretty late to the game, but definitely ahead of typical/traditional news outlets

[@toyotaprius79]

@@tmacNCA lmao, they ran

[@frazermckee2649]

I agree

[@jonathonppful]

You missed the best part of the 2004 coup. After he was extradited, the Haitian President was flown to Central Africa and left in the middle of nowhere.

[@arkheavyindutries]

Please do cover more events like these. Even for international audiences, these kind of things are not covered by conventional media.

[@qefewfwdcwdc]

Why do people who never watch the news say this? As if we live in North Korea or something 😂 Turn on NBC or soemthing. It’s not our fault that people do not wish to take the time to inform themselve

[@natureboy3272]

No

[@nelhuiliztli2926]

In the recent Guacamaya Leak, it’s been revealed that the Mexican military has been aiding and providing the Haitian military in secret. From training to equipments, don’t know how long they’ve been doing it.

[@northamericanintercontinen3207]

“Aiding” means López Obrador and Cresencio Sandoval get fat paychecks

[@tetraxis3011]

It’s very strange considering that Mexico normally doesn’t do this. This makes get be beneficial for Mexico, as Haiti might become a buyer of Mexican weapons.

[@awesomedude00001]

Thank you for covering this! This is why your American audience needs you, I've never heard of this before.

[@THOR_THE_GOD]

Propaganda.

[@LordKalerran]

Why do people who never watch the news say this? As if we live in North Korea or something 😂 Turn on NBC or soemthing. It’s not our fault that people do not wish to take the time to inform themselves.

[@captainsnakeye4495]

@@LordKalerran NBC? lol

[@monkeyboy600]

Bro, they literally ran news stories for this....

[@KatharineOsborne]

I worked on a documentary about street children in Haiti years and years ago as a writer/researcher, and (not to take away from the voices on actual Haitians and the diaspora, please listen to them primarily), I learned that successive interventions led to increased dependency of foreign aid-the way foreign aid has been delivered helped break down existing markets by reducing demand, so there was less resiliency when the next disaster arrived. And by market I mean fairly rudimentary, relatively ad hoc places to trade food and basic items. I do think foreign aid should be provided, but in a way that nurtures the development of small businesses (ie a range of capital from interest-free micro loans for someone to set up a market stall or buy seeds to farm food for instance, to loans for larger scale development, ie building a small factory or putting up solar panels and energy storage). Like you can’t just bring in trucks and hand out food for a couple of months and expect that to solve long standing systemic problems. Another major issue is environmental degradation, especially deforestation (largely trees are gone from Haiti because they’ve been used for fuel) which has caused coastal erosion which in turn has caused degradation in marine life (a source of food), but also makes the effects of storms worse. Also there are two other factors that have plagued Haiti; it is really badly placed geographically and unusually prone to hurricanes as well as earthquakes. It’s hard to progress when everything is knocked down every few years. The second aspect is Haiti’s unique history. It was the only state in history founded in a slave revolt, the side effect of which led to an immediate brain drain of systemic thinking, with engineering, and medical knowledge in particular (slaves did not typically have educations). This led to hundreds of years of trying to play catch up, with successive brain drains of the educated looking for better lives elsewhere. There’s also been a lot of corruption in politics over the years which also pushed out anyone who had the means of leaving. I think there’s an attitude in the global community that Haiti has always been a mess and therefore always well be (or more racist things), but it’s not true. No one deserves to suffer, and Haiti deserves our help. But that help should be guided by what’s needed long term and by Haitians themselves (including the diaspora). The sad thing is that Haiti is quite a small country population-wise and geographically, and stabilising it should not be considered an insurmountable task or a money pit. Helping Haiti in a meaningful long term way is perfectly doable.

[@evanpereira3555]

It fells that Haiti lives on international aid as life support, with many wonder if by helping them in the end we are only reproducing this shema and considered sovling it an insurmountable task. Edit: I want to have your opinion, how can we really help them ?

[@ObliviousPenguin]

Very nicely said, but I would also add that France made Haiti pay a huge monetary cost for their right to be independent. That financial burden ruined the country's chances to prosper from its very inception.

[@kevinstfort]

@@ObliviousPenguin exactly. That’s more of a factor than brain drain nonsense. As if none of the Haitian Liberators weren’t educated and as if their neighbor next door and others around as sooo more advanced than Haiti.

[@luisandrade2254]

@@ObliviousPenguin that’s largely overstated. In the large scale the debt wasn’t too burdensome or different from other Latin American countries. But people like to hate on the French and colonialism so

[@luisandrade2254]

@@evanpereira3555 stop financing them

[@nuur2825]

This is the TLDR US we need!

[@kevincronk7981]

Wow this is the first time in like a year that a TLDR US video was actuallying recommended to me quickly and not days or weeks after release

[@jasonpost913]

Algorithm be praised. Timely notifications.

[@scvboy1]

The average Haitian doesn't want America's "help". I think they've had enough of their "help".

[@dariogomes3598]

They can't help themselves from help others

[@vantaplat7411]

Sometimes in order to do the right thing you have to do it against the peoples wishes

[@darthradious7011]

@@vantaplat7411 That’s the motto of the American capitalist establishment - “Never listen to the people - do as we say because we always have your best interest in mind.”

[@myg1488]

@@darthradious7011 Republican establishment* notice how only the conservatives subverted Haitian democracy. It is almost like they American conservatives have a history of hating non-white people and not wanting them to succeed.

[@vantaplat7411]

@@darthradious7011 Even with only America's interest in mind it still benefits Haiti

[@alexzanderking1556]

thank you for covering this

[@suzumes6738]

No no, internal political nonsense needs an internal solution. Humanitarian aid? Sure, full scale intervention that's a hard pass for me that I'd hold against a politician in November.

[@guardianoffire8814]

Any aid sent would disappear increasing corruption in govt or be used up as administrative expenses for charities to never reach the people who need support. Its is best to leave them be to resolve their own problems.

[@youngdenzelshow]

Thanks for covering this one 👍

[@mjw907]

American viewer of your international channel who normally doesnt watch the Us channel. This is the kind of videos i like about the US. Typically i don’t learn too much from the mainstream politics videos simply because i experience it myself daily. These videos i like because it isn’t what everyone is talking about and aware of but is very important in geopolitics.

[@nightslasher9384]

K, no one cares. Pick-me American.

[@mjw907]

@@nightslasher9384 why do you hate feedback? They literally asked for it lol

[@benharman2070]

That plug in at the end was comically mistimed 😂

[@holyfordus]

“Oh no! Anyways.” 😂

[@emilianohermosilla3996]

Monroe doctrine sitting in the background: whistling...

[@jordanlester9276]

Thanks for this great video

[@natenae8635]

Yes, The instability in Haiti is putting a lot of pressure on my country (the Bahamas). Every year we have hundreds of Haitian migrant who come to the Bahamas illegally and our defense force and immigration can’t cope. We forced to deport these people and No, unfortunately my country hasn’t found any other way of dealing with the problem. As these migrants have no housing, jobs, or means to provide income. They are crowding our hospitals and schools, which our government struggles to expand because they can’t bring in the needed income to compensate. Neither can the government afford expanding hospital and housing at the necessary rate. Haiti has 10 million people compared to the Bahamas 400 thousands. So hopefully the US can work with the rest of the Caribbean to stabilize Haiti. If they are willing to I would be fully behind it.

[@ms.t4322]

Let the racism go it's not all about you and your country.!!!!

[@natenae8635]

@@ms.t4322 Racism? Do you know what race I am?

[@cfv7461]

We in Latin America know all too well what this US interventions look like, and what they leave behind. They should keep it to themselves.

[@Tonius126]

Operation acid gabit?

[@baronvonjo1929]

As a American agreed.

[@IsAcRafT]

Yeah sure, let them destroy themselves so they have to migrate to Dominican Republic and bring even further problems to that country as well, I'm sure that a deep indebted country like that would take Haitian refugees just fine..... Att: Latin American socialist oblivious of what's going on and why your suggestion of letting this one slide is terrible idea. My country IS the one with a land border with Haiti and the very first to get fucked if Haiti gets worse 😡😡

[@hectorordonez446]

We will gladly stay out. tell your government not to ask for help.

[@mrsigmagrinder8737]

haiti is alrady a mess i doubt the us would even be able to mess it up more

[@lpqsilver]

there's nothing as helpless as america's "help"

[@loui2bolus265]

Omg yesssss

[@TWE_2000]

Worked well in Grenada and Panama

[@burningphoenix6679]

The dozens of countries which are kept afloat by US aid would disagree.

[@moonshinei]

@@burningphoenix6679 how are Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, etc doing again

[@Kevs602]

We gave them help and they didn’t want to do the work of making their own government stronger so when we left, they had nothing. 20 years to prepare and they did jack shit. The us can give aid and help it start up but it up the country to keep it stable

[@randomperson6988]

Great video!

[@calitaliarepublic6753]

The correct word is not "help", it is "invade".

[@thebadstation8416]

Invade and do what? Haiti has no resources.

[@calitaliarepublic6753]

@@thebadstation8416 From the website Trading Economics: “Haiti mostly exports clothing, scrap metal, vegetable oils, dates and cocoa. Haiti's main exports partner is United States, accounting for over 80 percent of total exports.” Haiti is a de facto US colony. The US stands to benefit by keeping Haiti as a slave to the US economy, with low wages and cheap exports, unable to properly industrialize or defy the will of the US government. Therefore, the US has invaded Haiti and other banana republics in the Americas to install puppet regimes many times in the past two centuries. That is the Monroe Doctrine in practice.

[@thebadstation8416]

@@calitaliarepublic6753 Us is Haiti's main export partner because we are the closest to Haiti. It costs money that Haiti doesn't have to ship things farther. Try again.

[@calitaliarepublic6753]

@@thebadstation8416 That is definitely not the reason. Read up on US-Haiti relations and try again. You are not allowed to make pointless conjecture without even trying to learn about historical context.

[@JackKinglsy]

Thank you for sharing this. I didn't know we were getting back in to Haiti.

[@leogonazalez9988]

Love this channel

[@ILUVBlogs1]

Don’t stop this channel I had no idea about this

[@wallycola5653]

Commenting to support the channel

[@jeffmorris5802]

Great video! This is exactly the kind of content this channel needs.

[@scottlillard561]

This is exactly the sort of coverage the US channel should have. Our domestic networks don't even touch stories like this. They're too focused on even more midterms predictions.

[@wilmageentertainment7214]

Well done… you really understand the assignment.

[@wafflesaurus_supreme]

Hard pass, speaking as an American. My country can't fix anything properly, even at home.

[@Erc294]

Invading and toppling governments is US specialty.

[@SpazzyMcGee1337]

ANY intervention only succeeds if there is popular support in the region.

[@nightmarepotato343]

speaking as a dominican, PFFFFT AHAHAHAHAHA

[@IcecreamMcGuy]

Yeah, well at least at home we can do a lot of stuff properly.

[@burningphoenix6679]

I think the dozens of countries that survive solely off American aid would disagree.

[@aye3678]

Long live this channel!!!

[@theMoporter]

Props to TLDR - I was bracing myself for a sanitisation of the US' history and actions and you proved me wrong. I would consider this to be an objective summary of the situation, letting the situation speak for itself.

[@Jimmy_Jones]

A TLDR of the subject if you will.

[@neilfordan]

The UN should intervene with these kinds of stuff not just one country. It's United Nations after all.

[@saintjames1995]

The entire security council has to approve. And let's just say, one of them is not being cooperative. Wouldn't happen

[@captainrev4959]

Yeah but that’s not gonna happen.

[@TheFirebird123456]

the history of un interventions is problematic to say the least. They tend to sit around doing nothing due to how the missions are structured (i.e. what is their purpose, scope and what actions they can do) and the quality of troops. The most sucessful intervention is albania, which is mostly due to the primary military provider being Italy as well as the fact that they were very willing to buy up all the weapons (which would be extremely effective in a country that just went bankrupt from a massive ponzi scheme).

[@davidty2006]

UN does JACK SHIT. You seen there reaction to ukraine even with the high risk zones of chernobyl and the nuclear plants that they knew about. And they STILL haven't done shit around them to make sure they are safe to prevent another chernobyl scale incident. If they don't care about the safety of nuclear plants why would they care about unrest in a small island nation?

[@Zei33]

The UN couldn’t do much about this problem. There’s only one solution. It’s invasion. You can’t have it both ways. If you ask for help, you have to accept the solution. The US and UN should just completely stay out of it and let the fire burn itself out.

[@joeshmoe8345]

Thanks

[@shadowdragoon5]

First time hearing about any of this! 🤯 Thank you for sharing! Personally, I don't think America should intervene in Haiti given the track record 😮‍💨. With that said, a solution to this problem needs to be found before things get worse for the people 😞.

[@zacksung11]

Well, if America shouldn't do it, could France be a palatable alternative? They know the people and the culture well, and it could be better to have Paris intervene if Washington isn't up for it.

[@ericlee5515]

@@zacksung11 the french record is even worse. Leave it to the UN

[@zacksung11]

@@ericlee5515 I see. But the Haitians themselves don't want the UN. So it looks like more chaos for the foreseeable future.

[@organizedchaos4559]

@@ericlee5515 really UN record looks pretty shit considering what they did last time. Furthermore that would be America has to fund it. If America gets nothing out of it why bother to fund it.

[@theMoporter]

@@zacksung11 France "knows" Haiti because they kidnapped their great great grandparents and forced them into backbreaking labour in a French colony, then strongarmed them into centuries of debt for throwing off their chains. There's no comparison that can ever describe how disgusting that is. The closest I can imagine is seeing an abuse survivor in a dire situation and calling their abusive ex take care of them, and be sure to bring your gun, because they're violent. I seriously hope this suggestion was a result of a lack of thought, rather than a lack of human decency.

[@nicholasthompson2308]

Paul Farmer is gone for FIVE SECONDS and all hell breaks loose in Haiti.

[@Haris1]

so did takeoff

[@stivenstivens]

Newer heard about that before .

[@burningphoenix6679]

Given the rumors about Iran, we might be a bit too busy to help soon.

[@DavidJamesHenry]

We should not intervene in Haiti. We've already meddled in their affairs in the past and it's always made things worse.

[@jacobmacaree3063]

Its because the elites within the intervening countries want to exploit the problem to gain some kind of profit. It only takes one state without malicious intent to help Haiti. However, it seems government has no soul or compassion to be willing to do so.

[@sinefromabovebabylon3577]

Y’all meddled every year

[@stephenjenkins7971]

@@sinefromabovebabylon3577 Then US should sanction it so no American ever meddles ever again. Better?

[@sinefromabovebabylon3577]

@@stephenjenkins7971 yes plz

[@guyver-9717]

In the past ? In the present too !

[@frazermckee2649]

very good video

[@alexanderfabian8414]

Growing up in South Florida, i have known and currently work with many Haitians. They are all good people and i hope Haiti prevails

[@jorgelopez-js2gw]

Nice vid

[@flash083]

had no clue, and agree local news has never covered this

[@ismailabdulahi1214]

Another great video. Keep up the good work.

[@jonunciate7018]

As usual our attempts to preserve democracy in a country we want money from backfires horribly. What a shock.

[@relucentsandman6447]

Great news story, none of my US channels are covering this

[@georgejolkesky3104]

When you said that MINUSTAH was mostly composed by brazilian troops and followed by saying it was marred by sexual exploitation and abuse, you misrepresented the facts, because the soldiers involved in this were, in fact, not brazilians. I think it would be appropriate if you guys left a note in the description of the video, due to the unfairness of this statement

[@matheusd.rodrigues429]

It's TLDR, you should be already used to the lack of credibility. They can't even get the flags right most of the time

[@AgusSimoncelli]

This is true enough. MINUSTAH was a disaster for Haiti, but not really the Brazilians fault

[@sinefromabovebabylon3577]

@@AgusSimoncelli it was their fault

[@sinefromabovebabylon3577]

Yes it was the Brazilian soldiers who committed crimes under lula

[@0xCAFEF00D]

I'm 7 minutes in and I'm surprised you're going to turn this into an argument for why the US should help. They seem the least willing from the history.

[@Hollywood2021]

Out of 196 countries, the US is the “least willing”? Thanks for adding this comment, you’re so righteous! Is the US to blame for Haiti being a failed state too?

[@TheSpeedway99]

@@Hollywood2021 Well the US did occupy the country during the Banana Wars where America committed terrible atrocities on the Haitian people, then when America left they installed one of the most violent dictators in Latin America onto the Haitian people. So America has definitely helped Haiti to be a failed state in the past.

[@Hollywood2021]

@Corey Leander you and your accurate logic won’t be well received here lol

[@matsal3211]

Just shows that the us needs to return to its non-intervention foreign policy

[@geardo3635]

If we intervene, we're screwed, if we don't, we're screwed. Add in Haiti is one of two countries with the worst modern slavery problem.

[@georgemetcalf8763]

Must watch and comment to keep channel alive.

[@WriteInAaronBushnell]

Wow, I never realized I had such a blind spot for US imperialism in the Caribbean in the 21st century. Subscribing!

[@thejamaicanpolak3988]

No. They said they don't want our help, we will just send thoughts and prayers.

[@jimbo2227]

I don’t know what the solution is, but I believe that the nations responsible for their problems should stay out.

[@ConsumerOfCringe]

Normally I'd agree, but i think saving Haiti is more important than the negative symbolism of the nations responsible getting involved. I'd rather haiti people aren't forced to remain in poverty, authoritarianism and starve than the US stay out of this because of actions by previous administrations

[@AgusSimoncelli]

@@ConsumerOfCringe the us is the reason Haiti remains poor, underdeveloped and with either right wing dictatorships or deeply unpopular kleptocras that favor US' businesses. How is sending troops to support a govt that no one elected and no one likes, a solution to the problem?

[@josemax2495]

yeah so we in the Dominican Republic have to deal with them right?

[@jimbo2227]

@@josemax2495 just have a country other than America or France do it.

[@parasatc8183]

Quite difficult. America and Canada would have to act to make the country stable if they want to curb an influx of Haitian immigrants, but of course their track records are poor. China could probably find something useful in the situation though

[@rpcsfx1785]

Love it

[@waynetubr]

Married to a Haitian for 32 years, been back n forth many times. The Haitians old enough to remember Papa Doc seem to want him back, (yes i know hes been dead for several years). I mean a president that would rule Haiti with a strong arm. He was feared, they say. But you could eat off of the sidewalk and send your children to school without fear. America doesn't have the stomach for this type I'd goverment.

[@AgusSimoncelli]

Yeah, america doesn't have the stomach for a fascist dictator, it's not like the US supported him or anything.

[@waynetubr]

@@AgusSimoncelli America supporte Papa Doc because he was very good at playing America against Russia. America feared he would seek, and get aid from Russia. And that was more intolerable he his dictator goverment.

[@saddq1]

My Haitian wife would like to have Baby Doc back. She was able to pocket $10M+ during his years, as a high ranking govt official. The president helped a lot of folks get rich quickly.

[@jonrolfson1686]

Among Haitians being dead is not traditionally regarded as an absolute inhibiting factor.

[@kauz33]

@@saddq1 lmao, of course a goverment official of a corrupt goverment would want a dictator back, they are usually the ones who most easily profit from those strongman

[@PresAlexWhit]

"No nation building, invading, and no world police" mfs when they see another country that has conflict (they suddenly want a world police again)

[@Grimsace]

I'm a little surprised by the comments of people who didn't know about this. Also as an American, I don't want the US to get involved again. The only way I would really approve of US involvement (that i can think of) is if the UN was able to fully oversee fair elections in the country after dealing with the gang problem (which is a huge issue threatening the lives of a lot of Haitians right now), with particular oversight by nearby countries with strong democratic traditions and no major vested interest in Haiti (Costa Rica, Panama, ect). Indigo traveller has a really good series of videos if you want an in depth look at what it's like on the ground in Haiti right now.

[@cgmason7568]

The UN would be absolutely terrible as always

[@sinefromabovebabylon3577]

Wait till u find out the UN caused rap3 & cholera all over Haiti

[@wallycola5653]

Please keep making US news videos! I really appreciate your fresh, more removed perspective

[@dg4545]

Honestly if we do, nothing will ever change.

[@thatjeff7550]

Huh, most of this is news to me and I'm an American. Yeah, I hope y'all keep this channel running, at least on Nebula.

[@ragingshibe]

Haiti is honestly a lost cause. At this point, any option for the country that could leave a positive impact will most likely involve it officially ceasing to exist as a country.

[@frankieseward8667]

At this point, let the Dominican Republic annex it and dix things from there. Or Cuba.

[@leukon8161]

I think y'all should combine all the news coverage for the Western Hemisphere into a channel called TLDR: News Americas or something like that. I love this content but for some reason these videos don't perform as well as your other ones. Maybe its because of all podcasts or other channels that cover US news.

[@editorrbr2107]

We practically have to. Besides being a humanitarian crisis, it will almost certainly spawn a destabilizing immigration crisis in the western hemisphere.

[@ZachValkyrie]

THIS is the sort of news this channel should cover. I'm from the US, and I honestly had no idea this was going on. Nobody wants/needs another horserace barker nattering on about the elections; but this is a massively underserved niche.

[@ryleynadhir4685]

"Iraq is in Crisis: Here's Why America Should Help" No it shouldn't. They have tried their best to destroy Haiti in the past, and will do so again.

[@weiserwolf580]

so what about china? surely the communist have only good intentions, right? I will remind you that in this world there is no freedom, only compromises, if the US does not intervene, another country will intervene, and others have their own interests, so don't blame others when you will be fucked in the ass with a broom stick, I'm not saying that the USA should intervene, nor do I think they have the political or social capital (too much nihilism and too little pride in the USA) to do that, but other countries don't have this problem

[@user-dq1je7zy3p]

When

[@Mr.mysterious76]

@Corey Leander Ignore people like him, remember that majority of people in this planet are dum*b

[@imdrowning463]

Haiti is already doing a great job who in they're right mind would want to deal with a lawless state like Haiti

[@sanelentetha5708]

Decendents of slaves were paying reparations to slave traders? Crazy world we live in.

[@greenf0rrest]

comment to keep channel going

[@alexandervillanueva3294]

Yes, I agree. I would also be very interested in TLDR America, that focuses on the americas, instead of just TLDR US

[@lordgong4980]

This is one the US channel but I feel like it should be on the Global channel as most of the video has to do with Haiti(AKA Not the US)

[@joelkirkwood8224]

It’s about whether the US should intervene in this situation

[@thegrumpydragon7601]

They do need too

[@robertb6889]

More content like this on this channel.

[@vitoanania6042]

up, don't kill the channel

[@timkey_4542]

Tbh, looking how interventions of the US went in the last few decades. Maybe we should try something which worked. Like Mercenaries? Executive Outcomes are a great example. They defeatet UNITA and RUF without munch support from any major country?

[@TSearles]

Yes

[@daPawlak]

US "helped" Haiti enough already...

[@taylo9590]

make more videos like this

[@xanimal8821]

Good video, was informative and thoroughly explains why the situation of Haiti is as it is now due to the foreign interventions by outside powers.

[@okman9684]

And I thought only Russians intervenes in other countries matter with malicious acts

[@literallyanidiot2880]

All major powers do that.

[@stephenjenkins7971]

Literally nobody has ever claimed that, but they have claimed that Russia is fascist for trying to genocide Ukrainians in the modern era.

[@literallyanidiot2880]

@@stephenjenkins7971 True.

[@xanderreyno]

"Hello, I'm from a foreign government, and I'm here to help."

[@napoleonibonaparte7198]

You just have to hope that it doesn’t end up like another long Afghanistan.

[@guillemedina7908]

The best years of modern Afghanistan were under US occuparion. There was a project of building a democratic afghan republic, but the "antiwar" crowd forced America to leave and now the taliban took over.

[@okman9684]

​@@guillemedina7908 ​​ lol the best years of afganistan were under the Soviet union, go watch videos where afgan girls were wearing mini skirts and moving freely in public. During the us invasion afganistan was ruled by a puppet foreigner and the only developed parts were the capital and place near the military bases. Us created Mujahideen to destroy that sweet country just to prove communism is bad.

[@guardianoffire8814]

@@guillemedina7908 The antiwar crowd barely exist with many liberals for these past decade supporting Humanitarian wars. Lets be honest. The whole country of Afghanistan was corrupt. 1) The military was corrupt. Commanders collecting the pay for non-existent troops which on paper inflated the unit numbers. The Afghan soldiers that actually did exist gave in without fighting after their tribal leaders ordered them to hand over their weapons to the Taliban and return home. Also they weren't being paid properly. 2) The govt was immensely corrupt made up of warlords. The whole country of Afghanistan ran on Western donations and Western tax money. All Afghan business that existed depended on this foreign for their businesses to succeed which enabled other Afghan business operate. NATO soldiers would have had to stay there until the West went financially broke. 3) Majority of the Afghan people there kept aiding the Taliban and tipping them off on NATO troop movements. 4) The rest of the West is tired of this. United States would have to reintroduce the draft send in regular people with few weeks training to their doom.

[@nightslasher9384]

@@guillemedina7908 Actually, the Afghan didn’t want your demons in their country regardless what the best moment you think it is.

[@patrickarduser2576]

@@nightslasher9384 They for sure never wanted the soviet union and the talibans both of which are oppressive. Afghnanistan (2001-2021) is 100% more favored

[@ShadowWolfRising]

I don't see many potential viable long term solutions here.

[@cosmiceye2067]

'Help'

[@sopek1427]

Be cool if there was a TLDR Asia

[@Lvlaple4Ever]

Voting is the illusion of choice.

[@hoppingshark7676]

One of the few times I've heard Canada in a bad light.

[@Bshipbuilder]

YES!!!!!

[@marieromain1076]

Core group is an INTERNATIONAL GANG corporation

[@getnohappy]

This is the problem to which there is no easy solution. Pre modernity, if a country was poorly led, it would collapse and a better government would eventually appear. Given most people were peasant farmers It'd be bad, but not terrible. Now, if a country is poorly led there is mass suffering, it always affects neighbouring countries, and we can't in good conscience "let it happen". However, unless we want to occupy a country, preventing a humanitarian disaster means propping up bad governments. Lose lose

[@papastalin6816]

Bro pre modernity if your country was poorly lead and collapsed it was gone. Interventions have been happening for centuries now and I doubt they will ever stop cause the "status quo" must be upheld.

[@josemax2495]

I can't believe that my country, the Domincan Republic is not even mention in this video, we are the country that suffers the most because of haiti's current situation, the haitian matter is the major focus of every election here, we have a massive iligal haitian inmigration problem here, we are building a damn wall on the border for crying out loud, we have suffered haiti's inestability for far too long and it's time for the international comunity to step up and help out because as our president said it "the Dominican Republic is not going to deal with haiti alone anymore"

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

As an American interventionist thank you I had no idea Hhaitia blew up again... Which unlike those previous presidents and congresses the current one is extremely anti war as evdenced in the Afghan pull out and the lack of military support for Ukraine before Russia invaded.

[@rushyscoper1651]

if u mean biden, then he look like that most interventionist here. some ppl in GOP are the one who want to end blind checks as they call it and spend less there

[@theconqueringram5295]

No, Haiti doesn't need any more foreign interference. What Haiti needs is to build and organize its state institutions. If that means it needs some assistance from the international community then sure, but no more than is necessary and definitely not an intervention. This is why countries like Haiti are suffering, more powerful governments keep interfering to get their way.

[@Pixilated]

They can't build anything if the gangs have more conrol than the government.

[@Pixilated]

Like what is that opinion, a push in the right direction is always a good thing.

[@justalex3828]

Umm they got $13B worth of aid in the past 10 years... it's nobody's fault if once it arrives in Haiti all of the money get squandered by the corrupt government, I failed to see any good outcome for Haiti because Military intervention obviously didn't work and just giving them billions of aid also didn't work

[@chaoaretasty]

The countries with shoes are iconiic, I'm sad they are going :(

[@cookieslarue3023]

I believe this kind of content would be good for this channel. As much as elections and all of that stuff are a big part of American politics, the media for that kind of conversation is already so saturated. Find the things the big media companies intentionally aren’t talking about and cover those things.

[@fredmidtgaard5487]

Sounds exactly like the UK to me.

[@Xtra_Medium]

I have a stupid question Shouldn't this be handled by the Organization of East Caribbean States? Preferably with the assistance of US funding?

[@deusexaethera]

Haitian people explicitly don't want help from the USA. Unfortunately nobody else seems to care. Personally I think the Dominican Republic should take over.

[@PhillipHilton]

Agreed.

[@beausheffield1895]

That sounds like a terrible idea considering the relations between The DR and Haiti are even worse than between US and Haiti.

[@hopeintruth5119]

That's a terrible idea and to be further unstable. These are two different groups of people with major pride in who they are and love for themselves. They are already struggling domestically. They don't need extra issues.

[@nightslasher9384]

Fuck it, give it to the Dominican and have them take over the island. As long they can speak Creole and French and keep some of its Franco Caribbean ness, I’m down to party with the Dominican. Will there embe pretty Dominican in the Dominican Republica invasion party? 😂

[@Notbigbando]

Yeah let's not ask those who have plundered Haiti for the last few hundred years to help an unelected government via sending in a foreign army to crush protests.

[@Notbigbando]

@Corey Leander typical american cope

[@Notbigbando]

@Corey Leander Good that i got you to agree on the not Intervening part :)

[@sechabajohn7393]

I think you might find oil there

[@NA-iw5eq]

No. Because the results would be another Iraq, Libya, Venezuela, Korea, Pakistan, Afghanistan. Etc.

[@ungusbungus2486]

It’d be more akin to the Gulf War

[@NA-iw5eq]

@@ungusbungus2486 All the above

[@patrickarduser2576]

Korea and Pakistan???

[@oldsoldier4209]

As an American, I can promise that our own media will never air stories like this. But, it's something we need to know. Thank you. As to the question of further involvement, I say NO. Our government definitely helped create the problem, but I don't think they're capable of helping to solve it. The root of the problem has grown too deep into fertile soil, and anything America could do now would only be effective at surface level. At most, I would recommend setting up humanitarian aid stations, and committing troops to protect their supply and distribution. That would help people caught in the crossfire survive, and be a start at mitigating the damage we've caused. Beyond that, let the situation play out, until someone gains enough internal support to establish an actual government, and set up a NATO committee to aid that government in reorganizing, and establishing legitimate trade. Once things are stabilized, everybody should GTFO. In other news, I'd love to see the Kremlin turned into a parking lot, and a new government established in Russia, too, with their first order of business being to help Ukraine rebuild.