More Frames per second make YOU faster in ANY Sim

[@SimracingPopometer]

well this seems just in time @randomcallsign kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZ-8p6J6qdWdrdUsi=XaAM9oTNqCZjZuxW

[@Reetzah]

Only Legends give links to other YT videos just to help simraces. Thank you Nils!

[@sebastian_berlin]

Nordschleife for ACC made me order a Ryzen 7 5800X3d. Most expensive DLC ever

[@SimracingPopometer]

:D

[@OEWLBIB23]

I miss you in the LFM Pro, there are only Ferraris in Front, hopefully you will coming back. But your work is also great in this video!!!

[@BenjaBenjaBacon]

Weren't there a bunch of Porsches?

[@OEWLBIB23]

@@BenjaBenjaBacon Ferrari, Porsche and Aston. BMW were boped to death.

[@BenjaBenjaBacon]

@@OEWLBIB23 Really, that badly? I haven't seen a big difference in BOP

[@OEWLBIB23]

@@BenjaBenjaBacon Maybe. But it had looked like the BMWs had absolutely no chance against the competitors. Look into the Quali. First BMW was on 10th Place and the next one far behind. Last Season was the same but Nils was on the front row anyway. That's the truth behind my first comment!!!

[@boosivemotorsportofficial]

The 296 needs bop'ing on most tracks now. It's so strong since the nurbs update. I'm a 296/macca driver aswell. This week on lfm has been a rarri fest! It's gone from being quite diverse to people just picking the strongest car again.

[@boosivemotorsportofficial]

Im happy you've touched on this. When people who play competitive multiplayer titles say fps doesnt matter. They are so so wrong. You need a smooth and fast, responsive experience as possible. Goes hand in hand with the people that say certainn lower end pc specs are good too. Yeh, if you want your game to look like minecraft maybe.

[@lacojanco7571]

I am new to simracing - 4 months. My fps were around 55 all the time and I was quite happy with it. I just couldnt win any races, even against AI on 85% in Asseto. I thought my driving just sucks. After your video I decreased game details, so I have 70FPS - imediately I won first race, incresed AI to 90% - won again. The change is not as visible, but the feeling of smoothness is very different. I already ordered new graphic card, so I should be able to get 100 FPS. Great video, thank you.

[@WHITEY205GTI6]

This just instantly took 5 secs off my fastest nurburg24 time 1st try. Was on vsync at 60 fps lol. Unlocked, now its over 180 fps and i can actually drive the car! Thanks, what a difference

[@WittyGooseRacing]

What were you doing at 60fps in the first place ?

[@ThislsYusuf]

My slow brain interpolates those milliseconds 😭. Interesting to see sensitivity/reaction to stimuli and resulting performance from top athletes (virtual and irl)

[@jetondauti1988]

Danke für dieses Informatives Video Nils! Das erklärt auch die Zeitenunterschiede von ACC auf Konsole und PC! Konsolenspieler habem maximal 60 FPS ! Die Zeite auf Konsole sind auch je nach Strecke zwischen 1 Sekunde und 2 Sekunden langsamer.

[@Traction_Circle]

Tried what i could to increase the fps from 50 to 80 on my old laptop, it felt better and got me thinking. Bit the bullet and got a 7 5700x with a 4070 and now it feels amazing. Used to have to really concentrate to struggle with oversteer, now i can "feel" the rotation, is more like IRL, thanks Nils 👍

[@danibot3000]

1. It is visible in the video that it's not 60-stable 2. I get it, im not stoopid and resistant to learning, i probably just 'effed up my perception with a suboptimal rig/monitor combo 🙈 Seeing and hearing you explain the suffering from the delayed cues really puts my mind at ease..

[@Reetzah]

This is so much true! I knew it would affect driving, but I didnt expect such differance. I used to play with 75fps/75hz and felt myself pretty good with 101-102% pace with some struggles. But yesterday I tryed turning graphics down and got 180 fps. THE DIFFERANCE WAS UNREAL, for the first time ive felt so much of cars movement aswell and It became easier in braking and accelerating. Aswell as taking tight hairpins. Long story short, there is a HUGE differance in 50/75/100/120/150/180 fps and higher you can go the better. My graphics now look like roblox but I couldnt be happier with pace, consistency and time I found with higher fps!

[@boosivemotorsportofficial]

Any competitive game. Fps is super important! Triple A single player games. Don't matter all that much. A stable 60fps is enough on those.

[@Reetzah]

@@boosivemotorsportofficial Yes, agree. Obviously fps matters in fps based games like Counter Strike or so on. But for simulators I don't remember to much talk about this. Usually people were fine with 60-100. There are not even that many videos like Nils did to show and explain this and show the difference. I personally found 0,5-1 s in pace and laptimes considering I do around 101% lfm pace. I switched from 75fps to ~170 fps

[@Cloxxki]

@@Reetzah Above which framerate does it not help much anymore? The difference between 120 FPS and 180 FPS for a given graphics level can be a lot of money, especially for people with a lot of pixels being pushed.

[@SimRacingNewbie]

Thanks for doing this video! I will start paying more attention to how low my FPS goes and start lowering settings if necessary 😊

[@Lutzilla_]

hey nils! miss you at the pro-series! :-/

[@JamesClarksonSimracing]

Nice comparison video. You are no doubt super sensitive to FPS and Esports pace is something else. You are experiencing XSX PS5 console performance levels. I was on XSX in ACC, and after moving to PC, it is the only way to go for sims. Additionally consoles typically use TV with extra latency. I'm on triples on 3080TI with 7700 cpu and have to make concessions to achieve a higher framerate. 5080 Q1 2025 upgrade, hopefully.

[@Law0fRevenge]

Rule of thumb is about anything below 10ms feels pretty much instantaneous to humans. So going for about 100fps (i.e. 10ms frametime on average) should be the minimum for anybody who wants to take simracing seriously (or any competitive gaming at all). I personally go for 120fps as of now, even though my monitor could theoretically handle 144fps. But it's important to me to have a stable average frametime as well, so I cap the framerate at 120 so it almost never fluctuates (frametime consistency being the buzzword) - that is pretty much just as important as the framerate itself. Random dips in framerate are actually worse than a lower stable fps to a certain degree imo, so a stable 80fps would be better than 100fps with random spikes and dips.

[@torque2802]

FPS is less important what's more important is Frame Timing. Frame timing is the delay between each from being delivered and it is what affects your input lag and how smooth a game feels. It is better to sacrifice higher fps for consistent frame timing. To get consistent frame timing you need to lock your game fps, either through in game frame limiter or through your graphics card driver software, to not your average fps but your 1% low FPS (Usually what your fps drops to when your game stutters for a brief moment in a race). For example you might get 100fps on average around Silverstone but every time you go past the pits it might drop to 80fps. Therefore lock your framerate to 80fps and your game will look and feel as smooth throughout the lap helping build consistency.

[@SimracingPopometer]

i hope i mentioned it somewhere. Otherwise you're correct of course

[@chouBR]

Great video, I have a very slow pc and drive below 30 fps. Low fps is bad, but fps inconsistency is way worse.

[@SimracingPopometer]

yes, but my god how do you drive even 💀

[@petouser]

That's basically how I was simracing 8+ years ago, fun times 😂

[@Ecmdrw5]

Great video!

[@GT_GAMRx22]

I'm playing with mouse and yes, more fps is better. Under 60 it's struggle, the steering does not feel consistent, 60 fps is fine, 120 fps feels a lot better. I personally limit it to 90 fps to keep the GPU healthy and not get ambicious with higher fps. Good video 👍

[@mattymatte6289]

"keep my GPU healthy" that's really not how that works. If you're not overclocking it's like saying you don't want to fill your car all the way up with gas to keep the tank from wearing out.

[@toybm]

On ACC I was enjoying 180fps on triple 27" 1080p screens. That is until Nord24, fps is all the way down to where I feel slightly sick, even saw sub 60fps in the pack. AMD 7600 CPU with AMD RX6950XT GPU.

[@slowlap]

what I've seen around is that there is not much to add fps over the frequency of the monitor. so let's say you have a 75hz monitor, there would be no significant gain with 150fps. I think this would be the test to be made. sync the fps of the game to the frequency of the monitor, and then test it out with higher fps

[@NielsHeusinkveld]

It can still matter a bit. Firstly I think at 150fps vs 75fps, not using Vsync obviously, tearing is slightly reduced. It seems, maybe, some of the time, the frames are closer together so the tearing (say a split flag pole) results in the bottom and upper part of the pole being less far apart. Also, lots of game things and logic might still depend on the frame rate, so overall lag can be reduced a bit above the monitor refresh rate. It will depend on the title but I did see reduced input lag in ACC a long time ago, going from 60 to 120fps.

[@aaron0288]

Well no, because if you have a 75hz monitor, the max frames you’re limited to is 75fps, regardless of whether your PC can easily push past that frame rate or not. So you’re not wrong, but there is no test to do. If you have a PC that can push 150fps, get a monitor that can take advantage of it. Otherwise you’re waisting money on such a powerful PC running it on a 75hz monitor. Nobody can perceive those extra frames because they’re simply not there. If you see what I mean. I should just edit to add, if you’re referring to just latency, then as above, it will be better at 150fps on a 75hz monitor, but very slight.

[@perludierende_praesumtion]

@@aaron0288 I was very competitive in Quake3Arena back in the 2000s. 60hz monitors of cause. I noticed differences between 140 and 180fps, because the input delay dropped. But you already mentioned

[@twistedstrap]

Another great video. I somehow can't get out of using the porsche, especially after using your bundle data pack, but I am back racing after 6 months out. I use VR only, so I'm max out to 90 fps, I'm never going to be competitive to alians, but at least I can credit some of the blame on lower fps 😂.

[@MiaReiFilms]

90 FPS in VR is enough. Good friend of mine Aenore Rose won eSRO GTWC America 2020 championship with a 1st gen oculus and a thrustmaster T300. It's not the -plane- refresh rate of your screen, it's the -pilot- color of your knee socks.

[@MeYeRtoGo]

"a little dizzy" / flau

[@SimracingPopometer]

well, i know that, just not when i need it :P

[@way5063]

I have a slow PC that I have to cap the fps at 60, I got a weird feeling when driving the car, I can't feel the connection especially when it drops just 1 or 2 fps, and having trouble to get the consistency. I wasn't sure is it my driving skill or the hardware. But now I am more determined to get better hardware after watching your video. BTW, how about the monitor response time?

[@lowfastracing]

I play on a tv which has 4K 60Hz or 1440p 120Hz option. My pace is the same with 60 and 120 fps, so i play in 4K 60 fps, simply because that looks way better on the tv. But if the framerate drops below 60, even only with 1-2 frames, that's a nightmare, if you don't use G-Sync or Freesync...

[@GoatedAtNFS]

as someone who’s never experienced 120+ fps for long periods of time i can’t relate, lol. only seen the 60-30 drop and I honestly thought the higher up you go the less of a difference you see

[@theviperman3]

It's like PID feedback loop .. delay between input / output makes the system "hunt" for stability. Usually the input increases which makes the system more unstable as the output is still catching up. Nils, your stomach is definetly "telling" you something .... great video btw. Now I need a more powerful GPU. My wallet is going to hate me.

[@SimracingPopometer]

depending on setup of course, but CPU is the more likely limitation as you cant decrease what the game needs computing, whereas you can reduce how good it looks

[@peermancolin]

great video. Looks good as well. Encoding change?

[@SimracingPopometer]

50mbit hevc. av1 soon™

[@PeermaC_GT3]

@@SimracingPopometer nice!

[@PeermaC_GT3]

@@SimracingPopometer watch out though, I just encoded a video (testing AV1) for my partner's KZbin channel and when watching it back through Chrome, it says the encoding that they (youtube) have applied to it is VP9

[@Xpl0jd1]

I got locked 144hz at 4K. Don't feel any difference unlocking it and let it go to 100% gpu usage.

[@SimracingPopometer]

yeah, thats plenty

[@demiquadfpv3333]

Thanks, would be nice to have seen 60fps 75fps and 144fps, these are typical monitor FPS restrictions as 50 is very low.

[@perludierende_praesumtion]

Even with 60hz monitor 140fps will feel way more intuitive and reactive based on my 00s shooter experiences.

[@SimracingPopometer]

the thing is that this perception if very individual. some will stop feeling improvements at 90, some will still feel differences above 200fps. I think I'm satisfied around 120-150ish. so for me 75 would already be a reasonable improvement over 50-60. but probably irrelevant if 120, 144 or 200

[@demiquadfpv3333]

@@perludierende_praesumtion yes I've heard this, I guess at least when you do get a frame it is at least up to date!

[@demiquadfpv3333]

@@SimracingPopometer appreciate the feedback, I have probably 150fps but on 75hz screens so maybe I'm dreaming if I think I would be faster with new screens 🤣

[@inoo2345]

@@demiquadfpv3333 a better monitor doesn't guarantee better performance but imo I've had had a 144hz monitor since 2019 and have played overwatch (dead game) at a semi pro level and even my experience in acc having the extra info from a higher refresh rate at the minimum feels more responsive. Altho since racing is kind of more predictable in between each frame it's more important for shooters than racing but still a pretty big advantage in my book

[@drepssint]

My monitor highest it can go 120ghz so in-game fps I match to 120fps. But I’m running RTX 3070. So is this a good fps? Or do I go higher but monitor is at its highest. I guess faster gpu? Any thoughts? Nils

[@SimracingPopometer]

if you can keep these fps in all situatons thats all fine and nothing to worry about. add some DLSS or lower its quality and you'll easily get more if needed. gpu isnt your issue, if anything cpu in multiplayer i guess

[@Wilayaat]

Great video and infomation. I always go for a higher framerate coupled with lower resolution >>> lower framerate coupled with higher resolution. The former also allows for my monitor to be set to 240Hz refresh rate rather than 120Hz, not as drastic a difference as 60Hz to 120Hz but still notiiceable in the smoothness of the movement and input reaction. I'm still not very good at sim racing mind you but slowly getting there. Can you please let us know what refresh rate your monitor was set to for this exercise?

[@SimracingPopometer]

monitor was still 240, didnt bother changing to 60. it only has these two available (samsung g9)

[@MohammedNasim-tz9wz]

I'm on 30fps really crap laptop pc. I'm doing a 1.24 at brands hatch in the Ferrari 296. How fast could i be if i have a plus 100 FPS? Cheers

[@SimracingPopometer]

hard to predict, but I doubt you'd be slower. id say despite 30fps really being a noticable visual impairment, your times are quite good already. you'd feel quite a bit more connected to the car immediately with more fps and that will mean more confidence and allowing you to move the car closer to the limit

[@MohammedNasim-tz9wz]

@@SimracingPopometer thanks Nils, i think i need to invest in a new pc. I'm relatively new to ACC 3 months in 200hrs in, i think i could get into the 1.23s with more practise and and better fps. Time to research into PCs! Your videos are very good and informative on ACC thanks mate.

[@filiposay]

I think that FPS matter, but for simracing 60-75fps is more than enough. And I say 60-75fps cause is good to be over 60 so the when low % hit that low frame is not as noticeable. Maybe for a rally game where there are continuous tight turns and tight roads that make the movement of screen more critic, high fps can matter more. But in a wide circuit where the horizontal movement of the screen is minimum the high fps is not needed. When in a turn I don't look to the horizon, I look for close visual references (only look far in the screen for references for the brake point before the curve). Other very different thing is the smoothness of the fps, which can be annoying at low fps but with 60-75 that is not an issue (unless you come from 150 fps, in which case you will notice). But no need to run and buy now a super computer only for simracing, high fps are for first person shooters and thinks like that.

[@SimracingPopometer]

the faster you go, the more you approach the actual limit of the car, the more nuanced information you need to keep the car balanced. I would not be able to compete on pro level with 60-75 fps, simply because these tiny changes in rotation would not come across nuanced and fast enough. if you are playing casually, and just driving road cars, fine. but when you are competitive and the cars are faster, the tiniest detail will matter. with low fps you'd be entirely unable to control a snappy super formula anywhere near the limit.

[@filiposay]

@@SimracingPopometer I don't compete as a pro so can't argue what you said, that is just my opinion and feelings when racing. But I think it was already competitions before we had those amazing screens for high fps, and probably the lap times weren't that different. But in other type of games when the high fps were introduced is when the big differences started to appear thanks to fps (differences like 10 kills/1 dead to 100 kill/1 dead). Also I imagine you were already fast before have a 160hz screen, and that is why you are a pro not because of the fps. But for sure if used to 150fps, 60fps won't work for you anymore (but still think is more a smoothness effect than a reaction to the movement of screen as horitzontal/vertical movement in simracing is minimum).

[@SimracingPopometer]

its the rate of rotation °/s and the change of that rate of rotation that is the most important source of information about what your car is doing, because you do not have the g-forces telling you like in the real car. a change in the rate of rotation will indicate if your car is about to under or oversteer. There is only one perfect rate of rotation you need to target in every driving situation you encounter throughout a lap. Being slightly under or over that rate immediately costs lap time. reacting too late to a change of that rate will prolong the period of time over which you are losing time. also the tiniest of delay between the input you do to the car and the resulting response of the car forces you to await for that response before you can do a new correcting input. the driving error compounds. and if it only makes a 2 hundreds difference per corner, you are easily 10 places down the order over a lap.

[@chrisracing81]

You need to test this with low fps like 70, anything under 60 will give you a visual delay and can’t work

[@SimracingPopometer]

thats the point, many people are playing with that low fps

[@erox891]

Greetings from the PS5/XBox 60fps Boys 😬✌️

[@SimracingPopometer]

I know I know :D sit tight. only a few more years till 120 :D

[@alpha007org]

I don't understand how F1 e-sports managed to drive at 60FPS because there was an issue, where FPS affected the curb physics. I don't know if they fixed it. Now, that you have 4090, will Allen get your 3080 Nils? Or are you scared he will be faster than you? :)

[@SimracingPopometer]

😳

[@marcoliveira1268]

Any chance you can share your graphic settings for ACC? Either a video sharing or json file?

[@SimracingPopometer]

i have a 4090, everything is on epic or high with dlss on quality.

[@hardusbooyse8896]

what program do you use to see the frame rate?

[@SimracingPopometer]

just nvidia overlay for this one

[@TheMavo24]

Danke für die tipps! Was muss ich denn einstellen, um framerate usw auch sehen zu können? Das was du während der fahrt sehen kannst, oben in der mitte! Thx

[@SimracingPopometer]

in dem Fall war es das Nvidia overlay, aber es gibt zig Tools die das machen. auch das Steam overlay bietet das an

[@TheMavo24]

Mal gucken ob ich das finde! Anyway hab deine settings übernommen u war sofort besser u schneller👍 krass, auf was man alles achten muss haha vielen dank

[@KurumaLife]

Sehr cooles Video. Ich denke mehr als 60 FPS sind wichtig im Simracing, aber auch nicht viel mehr, ich persönlich seh ab 100-110 FPS keinen unterschied mehr. Hit oder Shit hat vor kurzem dieses Video dazu gemacht kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKmke42rjqikkMksi=gph5SaYkRGEOsWEK da geht es vorallem darum wie wir FPS mit den Augen wahrnehmen. Macht den Test, lasst jemand anders eure FPS einstellen und versucht mal mit bloßem Auge zu erkennen wieviele es sind.

[@Luis7Vazquez7]

Maybe I can use this as an excuse for being slow? Joking, I'm on console so we're supposed to have basically the same physics. I've been slowly improving but I feel like eventually I'm going to hit a wall because I'm on Xbox and because of my wheel (which is a G920) There's no other sim for console though, old AC is outdated and all the other ones are simcade at best

[@Fincher123]

Who is Talking in the Background?

[@SimracingPopometer]

uh perhaps the track interviews?

[@sergeynefediev6971]

FPS limiter doesn’t exist apparently

[@SimracingPopometer]

if you use the limiter the frame is ready in time. it makes a difference if the gpu is struggling to produce the frame or if it just doesnt have to produce as many

[@F.Hofmann04]

Maybe thats the explanation why I am so much behind the esport times in ACC on PS5. Because in other simulations I am next to esport level. Maybe you confirm the thesis that ACC on PS5 is compared to ACC on PC fundamentally slower…?

[@SimracingPopometer]

I don't know if console and PC are same physics even. As seen in the video you can still be quick with low fps, its just not as intuitive to do and needs more practice to get on top of it. what other simulations are there on PS5?

[@F.Hofmann04]

@@SimracingPopometer Mir ist nachdem Video erst aufgefallen das du Deutsch bist habe dich zum ersten Mal geschaut. Ja ich arbeite in einer Sim Racing Halle in Aschaffenburg und dort kommen von Sim Profis bis echte Rennfahrer alles an Kunden. Dort fahren wir noch auf AC und meine Zeiten dort sind viel näher an den Weltrekord Zeiten. Zuhause fahre ich auf PS5 Gran Turismo 7 und bin dort oftmals Top 100 der Welt in Time Trials. Daher verstehe ich die Differenz von mir in ACC auf die Weltspitze mit Esport Setups nicht... es sind dort dann teils über 2sek Differenz. Hat ACC auf PS5 wirklich andere Physics?

[@SimracingPopometer]

Vielleicht komme ich einfach mal in Aschaffenburg vorbei? Ist von FFM ja nicht weit :) Mit unserem Telemetrie Tool können wir auch AC aufzeichnen. Ich kann sebst zur PS5 einfach nichts sagen, weil ich das nicht verfolge und selbst keine habe.

[@F.Hofmann04]

@@SimracingPopometer Das wäre natürlich mega! Wäre interessant zu sehen was du für Zeiten bei uns fährst! Die Simracing Halle heißt Zeeem Racing Hall und bietet Racing von bis zu 9 Leuten gleichzeitig an all unsere Simulatoren haben auch eine Motion Platform! Falls du mal vor hast vorbeizukommen setze gerne per Mail mit unserem Team in Verbindung!

[@F.Hofmann04]

@@SimracingPopometer Das wäre natürlich mega! Wäre interessant zu sehen was du für Zeiten bei uns fährst! Die Simracing Halle heißt Zeeem Racing Hall und bietet Racing von bis zu 9 Leuten gleichzeitig an all unsere Simulatoren haben auch eine Motion Platform! Falls du mal vor hast vorbeizukommen setze gerne per Mail mit unserem Team in Verbindung!

[@Fly737]

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