More nerfs incoming for Warriors - My Thoughts.

[@optics4062]

No damage and no utility gj blizzard

[@ctsanger]

hey, we still have shockwave for now!

[@sliccboyslimm]

me when i have a raid buff, rallying cry, aoe stun, aoe fear, aoe slow, aoe root, single target stun, and huge execute

[@MrCount987]

@@ctsanger maybe they will consider that too strong as well, lets nerf them 5% more just in case to compensate aoe stun that warriors have

[@verdarstormrage4926]

Rumbling earth talent was op for shockwave in previous affix for the orbs. Lets nerf it

[@MrMrbambus]

hey, you dont play spriest do you?

[@erike9074]

The absolute worst thing that could happen to any spec happened to Fury warriors: dominate during Heroic week

[@MrMrbambus]

have you seen the mythic race though? - i dont disagree about the statement that its better to bring other classe up, since i play priest and sp fucking sucks ass

[@nevrast-1]

@@MrMrbambus Yeah there is like one total warrior on Queen Mythic XD And only for the 5% buff

[@MrNesrielNightmare]

@@nevrast-1hes probably talking about the other 7 bosses where warr mostly dominates whenever theres adds u dum bot

[@MrMrbambus]

@@nevrast-1 there's been 1 priest on all bosses and thats also just for pw:fortitude. warrior has seen alot more play

[@domenicofunaro1706]

@@MrNesrielNightmare Warrior dominates? lol, check mythic logs, fury warrior sucks. Arms was played on silken court and kyveza cause it's ok on sigle target in the race and good on 2 target ofc, fury wasn't played. They only boss fury dominated this raid is ovinax and that's because fury in mythic play a very stupid AM buld, for perfect adds timing, wich makes them do tank damage on boss. It's really the worst dps in the game by a mile and it was nerfed again. Ridicoulus

[@Theranorr]

Every nerf or change they do makes it more evident that the warrior dev doesnt actually play warrior or even understands what he is doing

[@yjre]

Idk if you play other classes but this is the case for almost every class

[@jaded-harper]

there is no class devs anymore from what max has said, most devs at blizz simply do not know what they fuck they are doing

[@Boss-ot1iy]

They called warbreaker 'warbringer.' That said enough. There probably isn't even a dev for warrior.

[@spacecreated6820]

I doubt class designers have any say in the balancing.

[@lnz3257]

@@yjre yeah, just look at the pre-patch notes for november. at least they try to change things with other classes. warrior didnt even get mentioned or just 3 lines of text for each spec 1 with nonsense like changing the icon of champion spear/spear of bastion. Now there are just nerfs most of the time for arms und fury. it´s just frustrating expierence to scroll the whole blue patch notes down and get hyped for the expansion seeing how many changes there are to provide a new and fun time for those people but week after week you read nothing, not even the word "Warrior" after warlock. now we just got 3-4 nerf in a row or nerfs labled as "hotfixes"

[@flytanx7461]

First nerf was perfectly deserved and it targeted us correctly. Second and third are ass from devs who don't play the game

[@RisenCS]

I feel like they could have done the odyns fury and bladestorm to nerfs to be 10% 15% rather than 13 and 18%

[@Sumoboi1]

how can u even deem a nerf to be deserved before mythic is even out yet where front loaded burst is massively weaker? If a class has crazy op single target, sure, nerf it quick. but warrior didnt have that.

[@eXileris]

They keep nerfing war cause of raids. We lost so much utility in keys already with the weak rally cry

[@38dedo]

warrior has a reputation of being an afterthought. in dragonflight their talent distribution made absolutely no sense for 2 years, including trap talents like thunder clap for fury or slam that costs rage. dps capstones for shockwave, wasted talent spot for SMF, etc. its a common meme for warriors to scroll all the way down the patch notes past warlock only to have nothing mentioned about them (unless its nerfs) meanwhile even when the class is performing well it doesnt get invited into groups because of its lack of utility. its only real utility, rally, has been nerfed despite already having been barely noticeable. aoe fear removal shout is only 15 yards, our fear has a long cooldown... we bring nothing. and our requests for things like bloodlust are met with radio silence, while hunters have bloodlust and dont even want it (they want the freedom to pick the pet they want) blizzard doesnt even know what fury or even arms is supposed to be. they design fury to be like the only dps spec that ramps their damage down instead of ramping up, then they are surprised when fury tops damage on multiadd fights that die too fast. and for arms they have no idea what the spec is even about. they made the capstone talent in vanilla Mortal Strike, cus arms is a spec about having a big hard hitting ability, right? then they turned mortal strike in a rotational ability. but they realized arms needs a big hard hitting ability for its fantasy right? so they give them Colossus Smash in Wotlk. then turned it into a rotational set-up ability. then they realized arms needs a big hard hitting ability for its fantasy so they gave them Warbreaker in Legion. then turned it into a rotational talent for aoe. now once again realized arms needs a big hard hitting ability so they invented this terrible Demolish ability that doesnt even land if the mob moves 0.001 yards away from you. soon Demolish will become a rotational ability meant to just increase the damage of your Mortal Strike by like 10% probably.

[@jeCktHeReal]

I think colossus smash was a Cata addition to Arms. I don't even play the game anymore but your comment made me chuckle!

[@38dedo]

@@jeCktHeReal ah you're right my bad

[@d0wne92]

It was the cataclysm prepatch IN wotlk!

[@handoflucifer]

demolish is just a legendary ability from DF

[@lnz3257]

One thing i really dont like atm is that i have to press way to many globals just to set up my burst window as arms. Starts with Rend, Roar, (sweeping in 2 target cleave), avatar+cs, ravager(as colossus), ms( depends if rage caped or not), fucking skullsplitter, demolish as colossus and bs as slayer. Thats around 5-6 globals depending on you´re build just pressing short offensive cds until i can finally start with normal rotation. I hate that i have to set up so much shit all the time, that´s not an arms warrior. i just want to hit avatar+cs and start smashing things because i enjoy hitting with hard mortal strikes, overpower, execute and not set up stupid bleed bullshit. Do you remember the old arms mastery? just a stacking bleed? they changed it in pre-patch to shadowlands to the mastery we have today because many didnt like that arms dealt most of the dmg as bleeds. some years later they try again with that roar bleed skullsplitter bullshit, more or less forcing us to play it because most "reworked " talents are just dead slots now. Isnt it irony that they nerf thunderous roar now arguably one of the strongest offensive talent for all warrior specs. It´s just mindblowing to me that the "warrior" dev plays this and thinks: " jupp, that´s perfect! happy with the result! Don´t have to change anything at all and warrior mains will love that they just get 2 lines of patch notes(most of them nerfs too!!!!) since beta, while most other classes get pages after pages of reworks.". sorry for the rant but i love my arms warrior and it just hurts how they broke it with tww.

[@MrGhost-st7rh]

So you start the expansion picking your main, doing all weekly activities (raid m+ delves), farm for bis and spend a fortune on consumables, enchants and crafted weapons just to see your class butchered within a month after the launch.

[@iBuyHousesFastOhio]

gotta have multiple classes lil bro

[@FNigslol]

Maybe dont pick the most broken class? Just a thought

[@rowser4472]

@@FNigslol??? Just look at meters and RWF and say that again, you’re not paying attention

[@krynji]

@@FNigslol mage?

[@geoffreybentley5619]

@@FNigslol wasn't even the best spec when it got nerf. it had massive add damage which bloated the numbers. Frost DK's were close in aoe and better in boss dmage. They are now getting 4 stacked in the RWF.

[@igoragd109]

I've been a Warrior main since 2008, and after reading the latest nerfs, this is the first time in 16 years that I've seriously considered uninstalling the game. It's frustrating to be on the receiving end of constant nerfs. What's really disheartening is when I'm running +10s and I pop my burst-I’ll hit 7 million DPS in a second, but almost instantly, it drops to 1-3 million depending on the number of adds. Meanwhile, the other DPS in the group are holding steady at 5 million DPS or more, and even the Vengeance Demon Hunter tank is consistently hitting 5 million DPS. It just feels like my numbers keep falling off a cliff, and it’s becoming a never-ending struggle.

[@Jbala777]

I’m 615 fury and every nerf has set me back st and mt. as I watch my buddys frost dk gap me further and further in all content. Then I see this…😢

[@Kevmoeman]

I gambled between warrior and dk before tww came out and lost bad, if I was frost I'd be feeling great, amazing in all content and survived initial nerfs

[@onepiecefanboy17]

tbf what he mentioned here is a tooltip fix its already like that dont know why its posted today its all old news

[@idiosyncraticRyugu]

This is just the typical uninformed knee jerk reaction from blizzard, without ever looking at why things happen the way they do. Either they'll revert it too late, change things we didn't need or worst case, ignore it completely until nobody cares to play warrior anymore. The fact they "fixed" troublesome boss mechanics that were ruining tyr week, only when the boss specific week was over.. is also one of those things that irks me.

[@FNigslol]

This. This comment right here makes literally no sense.

[@mexcellent227]

Touch grass

[@Afflictamine]

they haven't tested any of their content since the days of TBC Classic, they have just given up. same with their non-existent 'customer support'

[@henduil333]

After the first nerf (OF/BS) I to thought, yeah that's probably fair. We're blasting a bit hard. I did worry what it'd be like in mythic raid and M+, but thought we'd probably be fine. Our ST was never super insane, and this mostly targeted our burst AoE. The second nerf was just out of nowhere. As if to say, we nerfed your AoE, but you're still too strong? Worryingly this decision must've been made using only m0/heroic raid data. It has resulted in us being pretty much the worst spec in the game at ST by a large margin. It also further nerfed our AoE and cleave and at this point it was probably fair to say we'd be over-nerfed. This was clearly a knee-jerk reaction to WCL data with no mythic raiding done. The third nerf has just come out of left field for me. We're not pumping in M+, you mention Ret paladins, but: Warlocks are also consistently better, DH was styling on us, and the list goes on. Meanwhile in raid, this further hurts why you'd bring a Fury Warrior or to a lesser extent an Arms Warrior, while not giving us anything in return to shore up our lacklustre ST damage. Sadly we're now stuck in this state, unlikely to recieve any buffs as community perception is that Fury is strong. Side point, in PvP Warrior is basically unplayable in 3v3 arena right now, with multi-r1 people just being unable to win as Warrior just does no damage and dies.

[@JAM-nr2cj]

Idk how the community still thinks fury is insane but it’s so true. All other class discords are still screaming for more fury nerfs..

[@brentwaits954]

yeah my dps has went down 300k ish just in the last couple weeks. fuking insane nerfs and we already wern't topping charts in M+ but still got smacked with nerf bat

[@Lirkxo]

You really couldn't of said it any better. They designed 6 encounters that were basically perfect for Fury Warrior. Also they should know that almost every expansion Fury is really good in normal/heroic and even mid keys because of the HP and how the burst windows work since they designed it. Than turn around and nerf the class for working how they intended? I mean how do we pay this company money lol

[@nathanrudd2327]

They don’t understand their own game at all and never have.

[@handoflucifer]

Pandaria had kinda good balance

[@zerone9521]

That's why i stopped xD

[@stevenhs9773]

When Critcake is choking up while pointing out that Qrva was beating him in every key, you know he's getting emotional.

[@Shuja_R1M]

If that was true, that's absolutely fucking sad. A grown ass man tearing up over a videogame character. Jesus christ. Low test males

[@Hiei150]

This absolutely guts warriors in keys. I play mostly Arms too, and the Thunderous Roar debuff already hurts our AoE which was a big part of our damage in keys as well, and we were already near bottom DPS in M+. Now even Fury might not be a better option.

[@KingR13]

Is there anyway we can protest this bullshit... Fury just keeps on receiving nerf after nerf and they are saying that Fury has crazy burst and nobody is even looking at the paladins or the arcane mages. Its not bad enough that our tier set is THE WORST of all the specs, we are one of the few hard capped on basic rotation and the cooldowns are our ONLY way of hitting more than 5 targets. Blizzard just wants us back into the bottom of the DPS meters. They just hate warriors... thats it.

[@jonathanjudenberger613]

I mainly play m+, and I struggle a lot to do more overall than other classes. I basically can not ever beat a good ret. And barely over dmg other classes. Feelsbad

[@cronosdimitri4584]

ret is two tietr above fury in overall dps

[@skripterpog1023]

Im playing arms,what do u think happens to me in m+😂

[@brandonle4212]

@@skripterpog1023 FAX

[@handoflucifer]

​@@skripterpog1023arms will be good at the end of expansion because of higher stats. Same as fire mage.

[@skripterpog1023]

​@handoflucifer Xd,u think i care to wait a year to be playable haha

[@JeventesTV]

If this nerf happens, we could pretty much stop playin M+ for the rest of the season and start preparing other characters. Unfortunate, but true.

[@1995Kasimir]

yeah warri sucks already in m+

[@MYPECOV4Media]

@@JeventesTV i already SEE that Fury damage sucks after the burst and arms feel so good but have cero defensas SO i prepare My warr to be tank is the only way that i can continue pushing if Blizzard nerf protector i quit the Game

[@henduil333]

This kind of fundamental change kinda scews us for the whole expansion rather than just the season. We can always hope they tune us to be good again, but conceptually we'll now be weak in keys when stuff lives for any amount of time. This is the sort of thing an aura buff just won't fix for next season and I have _zero_ confidence in Blizzard to fix this issue once it is implemented.

[@guillaumelabonte2702]

I was already considering it after the 3% nerf. If this goes live im 100% swapping, AGAIN.

[@snown7755]

why ppl care so much about being one of the best dps in the game 99.5% players in comments are not the 0.5 % top m+ players and will be able still do the content !!!

[@R.A.S.K.A.J]

still i main warr till i die

[@lnz3257]

Amen to that! Victory or death!

[@billamosgr]

Once a warrior,always a warrior!

[@SpaceElvisInc]

Forgive me brothers for I have sinned, I tries dk and leveled it first before my Warrior, but all I could think of while playing was "man I wish I was in my Warrior"

[@ianhorne9594]

WARRIOR MAIN SINCE WOTLK

[@lnz3257]

@@SpaceElvisInc i know that feeling, everytime i play another class for a while i get to that point. Just seeing other warriors charging around or even standing in the city with nice transmog and cool weapon i think "damn that could be me".

[@simonbelmont0993]

This is typical Blizzard dev IQ in action. These people _do not_ play the game. If they did, they would realize how nerfed we are compared to every other class in the game. We have no b-rez, no immunity, no damage shell, no lust, our burst is only every 1min 30s... it's just dumbfounding. Blizzard have been trying to make dps warriors as useless and bottom of the pack as they can. I don't even want to stay subbed if this is the outlook for the class. Even ignoring this nerf, we don't have the utility of the other plate wearers. All we have is our damage and now we're losing that? Make it make sense.

[@someweirdo9129]

Yeah, im seriously considered just not resubbing after this next month, why play if my class is a stinky dumpster fire that nobody wants to play with, real cool.

[@Daddyfinger6]

female devs. GG

[@starskygamers876]

in all of their games even diablo 4 warrior is useless

[@wariseast]

Why are they nerfing warriors before the previous nerfs can even be fleshed out and analysed? They are aware of enh/DK/ret having all round better utility, better sustained damage, and crazy AOE right? Yikes man, just yikes.

[@lawless7859]

People got caught having fun.

[@seijurohikko6382]

I feel you 200%. I had an argue in my guild about that topic 2 weeks ago, crying fury was SSS god tier etc etc because on fights like ovinax or the last boss, i nuked all of them pretty hard being the only fury of the raid, as in heroic dungeons and mythic 0. They never understood my point wich is exactly yours, we are nuclear in short burst, but average on sustain. I even took a frost mage with me on the 5 target dummies, to show him if the adds were alive a little longer, he would catch up and come on top. It took 25-30s for him to catch up, then with the 2nd mini burst i took the lead again but he was close, i wasn't gaping him like in dungeons. Now, i am gaped by frost dk by FAR, even arm warrior which can do enough single target to stay on top of my burst aoe, ret paladin, chamans etc... and in mm+ it is the same, i barely nuke some packs but outside some niche scenarios like the end boss of grim batol i can't compete most of the time. I am curently not very far away, but i went from a comfortable 1st place to last dps... Without even farming 10+ where i really feel a lot weaker. Our damage profile is litteraly made to answer to the mechanics and design of this raid, and we end up being fucked because everything died too early for other to catch up (wich they would have done) while some other seems a lot more broken like frost dk, wich unless i am wrong don't get nerf, while we get nerfed AGAIN...

[@iskaaf]

I personally feel like Blizzard doesn't know what they want to do with Fury. I've been having a Fury Warrior as my main for years over years now and it's strange to see what's going on with the spec. I always perceived Fury to be one of the strongest AOE Burst specs, and that it was their intention to keep it that way. A very high burst AOE spec that was pretty mediocre on ST. But right now it's going into the direction of being terrible in both aspects, I personally think Fury as it is right now, is playable, hes not perfect but hes playable and is a decent choice when it comes to M+. If these nerfs do go through from PTR to Live, I feel like Fury will go back to where he used to be. Not being accepted for M+ because he's just outperformed by the majority of classes and raid-wise just used for Battle Cry. I was really praying that they would just leave warrior alone for a while but I guess one can dream.

[@seijurohikko6382]

They could also do a 180 and buff the fuck out of our burst, just as in legion. Our burst was nuclear, one big burst every minute and a small every 30s. Between those burst windows, we were litteral wet noodle damaging less than some tanks. But if you could use wisely your bursts, you were ok and even good. Not godlike omega op, unless execut phase was really REALLY long, but it was pretty satisfying. If they nerf our burst and aoe, they need to buff our single target by a heavy margin. Or they just fucked all dps warriors main, by heavily shift the balance, exactly the thing they claimed NOT wanting to do before the xpac launched. PS: i know they said they didn't want to nerf hard a class or spec unless it really is problematicly overtuned, but balance must not be made only in low level content... Everything is designed to make us strong on weak targets, but mid or lower on strong targets... Of courses we would dump on everyone on 5-6s burst windows, we are litteraly made for that! It is as falling from your chair if in a fight with constant spread aoe boomkins were at the top of the world, like bruh it is litterally what they are designed to do with their kit!

[@cagwilliams]

Completely agree. They way we started the xpac, it really felt like Fury would be in a good place this patch. Then the first set of nerfs went out and it seemed really reasonable but the subsequent nerfs I have no idea why they are happening ... we'll literally be F tier if these lastest changes go through. I actually told someone yesterday that these nerfs have been very depressing because I've waited so many years for Fury to be a top spec in the game and we suddenly get these heavy handed nerfs, I most likely will have to drop my war

[@__________________________8942]

f tier?? lmao what

[@flix5668]

​@@__________________________8942 do you not understand warrior literally does nothing besides damage and if we're not dealing top damage we are doing literally nothing better than any other dps spec

[@__________________________8942]

@@flix5668 still doesn’t make it f tier lol

[@flix5668]

@@__________________________8942 the spec does nothing besides dealing damage and it's not even going to deal decent damage now, yes it will be f tier

[@__________________________8942]

@@flix5668 nah dont think so

[@Arturito243]

Feels like Blizzard dev team is on point once again, they literally destroyed our class within 2 weeks meanwhile Pal Ret / Sham Enh and many other classes are literally obliterating packs and bosses. Good job !

[@filipepaivazoega3669]

Oh, let me guess, Blizzard nerfing whats fun again? Not surprised. Another caster meta again? Thanks Blizzard,

[@canwestop]

Who doesn't want another season of Mage and Aug? It's really exciting and engaging and not at all stale and boring

[@cptpawn7035]

@@canwestop ppl already put a note in dungeon queue mage/aug, i was 2h in dungeon queue and didnt find any key..

[@canwestop]

@@cptpawn7035 Yeah week 2 in the season and people already want the "meta", it's just exhausting

[@Siwoo-bz7sd]

@@cptpawn7035 You cant be joining keys as a DPS, everyone gotta make their own keys. Literally made my own and figured out why ppl dont get accepted into keys there is literally 50+ other dps requesting to join

[@supergaga1712]

@@canwestopmage and Aug were not in high keys for damage.

[@MYPECOV4Media]

Yo @critcake u represent all the Warriors on wow have to do a realistic video talking about devs and their nerfs on wars men arms fell so good but is a buttermilk on mythics and Fury is not Even good enought for pushing on randoms i mean paladins hit like casters with a gigantisc dps and selfdefenses also continue buffing mages and shams but wars men is going down down

[@tamaskandala8141]

I don't understand, really. I couln't get into any +9 key for 2 hours, then was rejected even from +7 keys as a warrior (only 614 ilvl tho), and they say we need nerf coz we are op. Yea, indeed. In DF it took ages to get an inv, now it takes even more. Could have been finally a season when warrior is really fun, or meta in keys, now if I don't have a fix team, I cannot even get a single mythic crest. Sad.

[@mexcellent227]

Sounds like a toxic community issue.

[@rowser4472]

@@mexcellent227when blizz creates an over tuned meta by over nerfing specific classes than the community responds by only wanting to play the meta. It’s not a toxic community issue, it’s a poor balancing issue

[@rowser4472]

@@mexcellent227if warriors were good, they would get invites

[@Siwoo-bz7sd]

@@mexcellent227 Probably also has to do with them not running their own keys as a DPS since thats like the golden rule for DPS players if u actually wanna do keys

[@mexcellent227]

@@rowser4472 You're facing pre determined mechanics and killing non player controlled units. Your player base killed wow.

[@ntn8265]

I’d like to remind all warriors too that we’re the only class who haven’t had any real rework since dragonflight beta. It’s utterly disgusting what they’re doing to warriors.

[@Dogmar1987]

I'm palying warrior for 19 years now. The moment war does good he gets nerfed to the ground it is what it is... We have to grind hard againe boys. This is nothin we are already used to it !

[@ChaseMeIfYouCanHEHE]

Here we go again Blizzard listened to people crying and keep on killing Fury. ... Sometimes i hate the fact that they rather listen to thousands of Trash People complaining Class XYZ is broken instead looking at literal data and then decide, if they are right or not. Time to roll Prot or ditch warrior i guess

[@NonExclusive6669]

I'm happy no really nerf to prot sides if hit more then 5 his tittle needs to change.

[@ChaseMeIfYouCanHEHE]

@@NonExclusive6669 I think they won't touch much on Prot except maybe his high damage output but i doubt it Lets see, tanks are imho fine, majority of us aren't playing among the 0.1% so it will be most likely w/e except people again cherrypicking because they see XYZ comp and will mindlessly run that, without even knowing why that comp is actually played and why people may pick it in World First Keys You know, the usual stuff, pugging will be pain as it always is, lets pray that those nerfs get dropped asap because whoever at blizz thought its good to even consider them, never played their own game and should stop touching Warrior overall.

[@adrianreichelt7057]

Fury fell so parsewhores could walk. Not even run. Just so they could slowly, briskly, walk.

[@screenshotted]

fury should definitely get more consistent damage buffs. no one was calling for any nerfs to us. Crit is 100% right that we just look good on paper right now because of how our burst damage is tuned

[@someweirdo9129]

You should go look at the wowhead comments on the patch notes detailing the fury nerfs, hundreds of comments in there about warrior tears taste good, and fury deserved the nerfs, and a bunch of uninformed nonsense. the general consensus i took from that was that people hate warrior and are happy when they suck.

[@AnotherCheche]

BLIZZARD SUCKS

[@spacewalker806]

🥳🥳

[@Aldever13]

Can’t say any better then that. How can I “get back in the fight” if I can’t even do enough damage to fight?

[@mr.k1946]

Looks at my warrior, sheds a single tear. Maybe next season friend.

[@DeadZone871]

After couple of weeks, all warrior damage decreased by 100% if it was near a target.

[@gergelyszaszko1105]

I played a few keys around +9 +10 and even the first nerfs seemd insane to me. This is actually madness idk why would blizzard nerf warrior anymore, Its actually needed some buff on consistent damage and not any nerfs (maybe the first one was fair, but I think it wasnt needed).

[@someweirdo9129]

It wasnt needed because fury warrior burst looked crazy because it IS strong, but also after the burst, the mobs are dead, and nobody else had time to do damage. With health scaling higher, things wont be dead after fury burst, and then they have to sit there doing their normal mediocre aoe rotation while the other classes actually get to do their damage too.

[@mordorianin]

Hey Crit, could u answer me this question? I am very curious about it - When single target, are u using ALWAYS CB and BB after Rampage, or doing CB > Rampage > CB > Rampage > CB if u have enough rage for this?

[@supersplashgibson9155]

My friend with his ret paladin and a blue weapon was already doing way more dmg then my fury warrior before this nerf….. I was enjoying This expansion now its a bit upsetting

[@mozes88]

This, its getting a bit upsetting now.

[@iam555tothe666777]

And by saying mountain thane is that much behind slayer they will probably understand that slayer needs to be nerfed too

[@daami7100]

i play with a friend whos been known for his lack of performance but hes one of my best friend i dont care about it he decided to play boomie for tww but he didnt enjoy like he tought he would be suddenly 10days ago he decided to swap to ret(for the first time) and this mofo beats me everykey, EVERY KEY . he has same ilvl but no 4P tho. thats crazy to me as a main warrior for years

[@someweirdo9129]

Yup, ret paladin is simple as dirt to play, and has fully frontloaded burst. Literally just runs in, presses buttons, and tops meters without even thinking, ret paladin is what people thought fury was, but also has tons of utility. Where are their nerfs? oh thats right, theyre not warrior, so its fine for them, and enhance, and frost/unholy dk..

[@krabby3298]

thats crazy considering that so many other classes dominate fury warriors

[@mechalcol]

It's nice to see how your 613 warrior go behind a 603 elemental shaman on a single burst and almos 40% more dmg on m+ just spaming chain lighting and all they got is you know what Shaman need, they need to have the oportunity to change the hair on their ascension, and wars ?? o fk those guys just nerf the last potential burst of dmg they got

[@Tricked1991]

As always, good video! I wished a bit more like a "I am upset"-Critcake . Because I absolutely am.

[@Anillusi0n_7]

Fury ATM: ST-bottom; sustain AOE-bottom; Burst AOE good but not good enough to compensate other drawbacks

[@2skrapi2]

I really like how they keep nerfing wara all the time, but the other classes, which even without 4set, can deal absolutely pointless damage, are completely ignored. after these nerfs it will be difficult to log into any M+ because warior will be absolutely useless.

[@PugAshen]

Blizzard shouldve waited another 2 weeks to make any changes tbh. Ppl are still gearing, stats are being optimized with gear drops. The only consistent thing I've seen is frost DKs doing like 6 to 9 mil damage on pulls like its nothing. So I'm wondering whats happening with them. Cause they're not on the list at all....

[@NightKnight1996]

Did a Mythic World tour on my Priest (all specs) and decided to turn my Arms Warrior into Fury and play Melee this patch. Which class/spec do people want me to kill next? :)

[@mieciubimber9404]

Mage

[@lnz3257]

@@mieciubimber9404 yes, please.

[@TheFarGaurd]

Already gearing a Frost DK since they’re clearly fine with them topping dps in 99% of encounters

[@LewisLogan]

Gonna love going back to DF Season 3 and not getting invitedto any keys because I bring zero utility and my damage is just on par or worse than others. Blizzard Brain, I think they have a genuine kink for baiting Warriors into thinking they are about to have a fun season, then ripping it away, at least give us a fuckin lust shout at this point so people think, okay, ill bring one for lust.

[@someweirdo9129]

or, buff battle shout to 10% attack power so people will at least want the token warrior in the group for it so their ret paladin, enhance sham, or frost dk can just do that much MORE damage.

[@Essemlol]

Being "op" in M0 and Heroic week is the worst place to be. Especially with a damage profile like Fury (burst AoE). They nerf the AoE and nerf the sustained damage leaving Fury in a bad spot. Theyre still OK for the things its good at, killing mobs that live

[@AnubisofScorpio]

Welp indeed. I think Ulgrax is a perfect example of what got us to this point, open up the fight blasting, seeing myself fall down the meters only to jump up in a few globals when the adds pop out. But nerfing it like this, without a comment about what's intended to happen here just speaks to a lack of intent. A simple "We overshot on the intended damage profile, Fury is relying too much on two buttons, we'll tune this down now and adjust as needed." would at least give us the hope we're not an afterthought and that we might get some needed bumps to our weak bits. It's been my opinion for years now that warrior is the default, the class that others are measured against. And so always destined to be in the middle of the pack, with a lot of classes you see these big overhauls and redesigns. You could argue warrior doesn't need them because it's got such a good foundation or because it's basic by nature, but I there's a bit more under the hood going on. It's not a chess class, it's checkers, but it's very fast checkers.

[@grahamvandyke]

This is why you never want to be overtuned at the start of a tier. You catch a whole bunch of nerfs, and sometimes you get overnerfed into the ground because of it.

[@cronosdimitri4584]

this is why you never want to play jizzguzzler class warrior. warrior is 0 privilege shit tier class never strong, always instanerfed if close to strong ❤

[@lerenardroux]

I was excited for a Fury strong season, this makes me sad

[@domperry4175]

Same thing with outlaw rogue, caught a nerf based on 3 days of raid logs and now its mid at best. Plus its hard target capped but will get beat by a ret paladin regardless of pack size since they seem to have 100% uptime on wings atm. Was considering a warrior alt but don't think I'll bother now!

[@mocker2325]

I have seen 2 +9-10 Pug keys, and it says on the notes, "No Fury Warriors!" Now that is some shit.

[@krisztian0703]

Sometimes we joke in our guild that Blizzard doesnt know how to tune classes because they dont play their own games. Well it seems that they really dont.

[@zacharyfoster7049]

So much warior hate in comments. Most brain dead spec is definetly Ret, with wake of ashes on a 30 second CD which procs wings and a passive dot does their damage alongside Divine Storm spam lol Name a single class you think is worse off than fury after these nerfs and Ill rebuke it. Not only that, but the class that is NEVER given any tools for M+ SHOULD be the highest dps class, bar none. The WoW community is stuck on the toxic "mage must be meta every season" treadmill and heaven forbid if warriors almost touch that ceiling.

[@m.b3873]

We must have at least a BL/hero as a shout - As main warrior as you, I totally agree on what you said, but they should analyze as well the ST damage. Thanks crit for your thoughts. Did you rember when you did actually starting playing the mage fire?? I think this will be the same case, cause damn on the high keys no ONE in pugs take fury warriors

[@Nekk0las]

and yet i am sitting here, waiting for colossus to be viable in ST. also, Warrior has the weakest amount of HP and some of the worst utility for Raid/M+, Warriors truly are unwanted af. And Blizzard just doesn't give a fck.

[@ValkyWarrior]

Blizzard doesn't listen to any of our problems but quickly nerf as soon as we overperform 1 week of heroic. - Half our captstone row of talents don't even do anything or aren't used ever - Let us transmog 2h to 1h - Stop making SMF a thing then abandoning it for the entire expac and not even attempting to balance it - Stop balancing around heroic raids with zero context. It's like nerfing boomkins or shadow on a spread out council fight when that's what they excel at - Give us more updated animations for things like Avatar or recklessness - Why is arms completely mid on 2 target fights compared to other classes just spamming their normal aoe rotation - Why is onslaught which is supposed to be our ST talent a complete pile of shit

[@Onticly]

I play arms and I am so confused why they are even touching them atm. Besides changing colossus and demolish to be better they shouldn't be making any changes to the spec especially nerfing anything for arms. This makes no sense. Blizzard's balance team is so fucking terrible I seriously don't understand how they continue to fuck it up every single time. They have the logs they have all the data they could ever need and they still make it seem like they didn't pass middle school math.

[@someweirdo9129]

Its just insane to me that the only way to make sense of what theyre doing is if they just pull up the data for overall damage, and then nerf fury because its at the top, and i guess sprinkle some on arms too. They made no effort to contextualize WHY fury was doing well, AND m+ and mythic raids wernt even OUT YET, you know, the point where the health pools scale up high enough to live through fury burst and other classes can then actually do their damage..

[@markh4604]

Fury good again since ICC ? Pff no way we can let that happen

[@Fislwater]

I hope that Blizzard will come to their senses and remove this misunderstanding..

[@kohmsl8310]

Adjustments should be specific to PVP but aren't. These nerfs are more than reasonable with how they perform in PvP, but it makes no sense when they can nerf abilities separately to do it across the board.

[@icnesalam]

Blizzard doing BS as usual... they nerf nerf nerf untill they kill the class , as they dont know to balance unfortunatelly.

[@MandoFury]

My frustration is exactly this, so many of the raid bosses have adds, so our numbers get inflated from AoE dmg. Our Single target isn't really that strong and the drop off after our burst is noticeable. I'm also annoyed that every single class for the 20th anniversary patch is getting adjustments and warrior literary has nothing. There hasn't been any communication from blizzard on how they are going to fix Mountain Thane for fury. No one is going to play it when it deals way less dmg across the board. Really feels like they are not listening again.

[@Moonfactor]

"I am upset" was the correct way to start this

[@DovahChicken]

Agro as warrior already been a pain in the ass with all giga burst classes.. why nerf tank on multi target

[@paulclarkson2583]

I dont understand why they cant just look at the overall picture, The disadvantage of not being ranged, or having as much if any utility, Should be rewarded by being Higher if not consistently the highest dps class. They do this in FFxiv and people are happy. (you dont play bard or dancer to be top, you play it to bring the raid utility it needs, Paladins shamans monks etc should carry this flag in wow, and leave warriors/rogues etc to pump) Maybe they need to look at class and team synergising better.

[@gillneas]

Pepperidge Farm remembers the Odyns Fury nerf in TWW pre patch over an outdated patch tier bonus and Unhinged cleaving when the expansion launched. These devs wouldn't survive Fury in Nighthold or Arms in TOS (Legion period) or 2009 MW2 lobbies :)

[@Darkholow]

I played fury during Cataclysm when we were bottom 3..this ain't gonna stop me from playing my favorite spec. Do I hate it that Blizzard has a nerf boner for us every time we dominate (just for a little while) specific encounters or raid tiers? Sure, but after playing fury for what amounts to 17-18 years (The 2 years I was forced by my guild to play Arms for progress sake) these nerfs have become second nature and it's not a matter of if, but WHEN does the nerf drops.

[@someweirdo9129]

Yup, when it came out that fury was on top of the meters, before any balance changes were announced, i already knew they would be nerfed. Warrior is NOT allowed to be good, let alone the best, literally not allowed. Why? i dont know, but it has been shown time and time again, that when warrior is anywhere NEAR the top of the meters, they WILL be nerfed until they are BELOW middle of the pack.

Picked fury warrior because I was told it was easy to play, and it is... But it just doesn't feel good to play when you realize all of your damage is in this cyclical 1½ minute burst, and once that is over you hit for almost less than the tanks.

[@Despond]

They've gone too far with too many follow-up nerfs, and imagine nerfing ARMS, rofl... Those target cap changes, I don't think they understand how serious that will be for overall damage. Meanwhile like you stated, single target is average at best and sustain damage is average, utility is below average, that burst was the niche and now that's going.

[@someweirdo9129]

No, actually, fury is the worst ST spec in the entire game right now, arms is doing fine, but i guess we will see if they get nerfed too.

[@sunemangs2000]

That whats happening when ppl without a clue gets responsability to managed a class that they dont understand.

[@Rafael-km9mx]

At this point i will just main my ret and alt rogue. This is hilarious

[@douglasamaral5986]

That’s just sad, was pretty hard to be top dps on a high M+, now it’s gonna be impossible. What most upsets me is the fact that some classes r so stupid and they don’t even touch it.

[@cronosdimitri4584]

Rerolling agan. Wont touch my ex-main class again. Tired of being 0 privilege midtier or worse with 0 util.

[@iskaaf]

I've been playing Fury as a main for years over years now, I personally felt like the first nerf was justified. He personawlly seemed a bit overtuned but it felt nice having warrior in a decent state for once. The 3% overall damage decrease, I was a bit torn whether I felt like it was needed or not. Capping Fury's big AOE Burst to 8 felt a bit extreme and now capping it to 5 is crazy IMO. Warrior, atleast Fury, always felt like it was meant to be the Bursty AOE Class that would be really good for M+ and other content that had alot of targets coming at you at once, while staying mediocre on ST. At the start of the season Fury was really good at both, I was expecting ST nerfs coming his way but instead of got our AOE completely dismantled aswell as ST becoming pretty much neglible compared to other classes. I personally feel like Fury RIGHT NOW, is in a decent spot, it's not perfect but he's playable, if these nerfs go through I feel like Fury will just be where it used to be, only used because of Battle Cry and nothing more.

[@someweirdo9129]

even then a 5% attack power buff is negligible..

[@CrasherrPM]

Bro, i'm playing RET, i'm not even warrior, but for me is insane that blizzard gives my class 2 immunities, a 50% hp shield that gives tons of damage if explode, a 100% hp heal instant cast, a heal hability that can heal just like a healer if i spend my holy power on it, stun, aoe cc blind, brez, freedom, sac, and a lot of damage, while warrior only have damage, and blizzard is nerfing it

[@someweirdo9129]

Yep, and aside from the utility, ret is arguably just as easy to play as fury, and easier than arms, but the damage numbers wont reflect that.

[@seijurohikko6382]

I usually dump on paladins. But for you, i will make an exception!

[@RazorIsEpic]

@@seijurohikko6382 Their melee range got nerfed. They need to be auto attacking to generate holy power, so yeah they're in the mud with us. They can be in far range but they'll do bad damage due to poor holy power generation.

[@seijurohikko6382]

@@RazorIsEpic thx for the precision, i thought they still had a few more range than other melee

[@adrianreichelt7057]

@@seijurohikko6382 They do on their spender(s) in some cases, so they can still weave in and out, similarly to us looking at a swing timer on Arms sometimes. As long as they weave in and out in a way that doesn't cost them the aforementioned Holy Power from Autos, they are absolutely still versatile.

[@Windrunner_CS2-zl7ek]

I switched to Hunter just before the first nerfs, was thinking about crafting an omen weapon today and give Warrior another chance, looks like those plans are scrapped. Thanks for the video crit or else I would have wasted gold + omen sparks today.

[@ajo2007bial]

well warriors need to know theirs place : Bottom of the charts

[@robertviscomi8199]

I know I’ll be downvoted , but I’m having a blast as collosal prot warrior. Arms is also low key great with crit builds. It’s just not absurd like ret and frost

[@bigdaddyswampass6385]

I absolutely Hate the fact that BM hunter is higher then other classes it should always be low tier, at best mid-tier. Because the fact that it can do its entire rotation while moving. They could be anywhere on the map and not lose up time, that's broken. So it having damage makes it op to me

[@Olafr_Warrior]

Now if fury was a mage spec, we would get compensation buffs. I love being destroyed by frost dks who have a damage break down of obliterate and 3 passives.

[@HoboHunterr1001]

Well that's definitely not how frost DKs actually play in raid but yeah sucks you got nerfed.

[@electronicdreams.9870]

Why does every warrior have an issue with fdk? Like it's the same fucking thing as fury. You spam rampage too and your cooldowns press other cooldowns automatically

[@ZeeRaX17]

If fury was mage spec, we would get weekly arms buffs too

[@Olafr_Warrior]

I want to point out that I like frost dk and it is my go to alt. I know that there is more to it when you play a breath of sindragosa build. I was mostly speaking with hyperbole.

[@HoboHunterr1001]

@@Olafr_Warrior I get it. It is something to work on to respond to something negative to you or your class by complaining that things aren't negative for someone else.

[@Brayness]

It's very telling that the developers can't even name the abilities they are randomly choosing to nerf

[@VeldreGaming]

I hope they buff arms soon ! It feels so good to play. DF season 4 were the good times with Fyr’Alath man.

[@hoyboy1423]

The devs involved with class design should all be fired after this tier. It's been an absolute embarrassment.

[@byCamoh]

with odyns nerfs do u think meta will change to revenger or anything else?

[@bob73499]

It was a fun expansion boys. See you in the next one when we repeat this process verbatim for the third time in a row. Feel like I shouldn't even bother playing the first month or two of an expansion because this shit happens EVERY SINGLE TIME. My ilvl has gone up 15 in the last 2 weeks, but I'm honestly not that much stronger than I was at 600 before all this. Now Im gonna struggle my way to 620 the rest of this week and then this will drop and I'll feel like im back at 600 again. Rough.

[@zakuzagb1539]

So is arms the play now if your someone who likes both specs?

[@FireL88]

Warrior was my Main till MoP, after that it was Ret and later it was DH, when i saw your videos in Dragonflight and the Beta for TWW i finally went back to Warrior because it looked fun again with the big burst windows like back in the days. Now this. On top of feeling quite useless since all we have is shockwave and Rallying Cry... Set is so bad as well in comparison to other classes. If this keeps going i will go back to DH or Ret again.

[@victorvolts5862]

if they are doing the 5 cap, they should revert the changes that was doing previous because this is insane

[@xanscobe]

Still no utility, still no aggro nerf. But this?! Seems 1 dev doesn't like us

[@someweirdo9129]

just 1? feels like the whole dev team..

[@Si-ln1ou]

It's the first time in years that we've seen Fury Warrior as a meta and now after 2 weeks of raid and a week of m+ we've already gotten 3 nerfs that send us back to the bottom of the dps meter. thanks blizzard

[@VallentinProductions]

Warbringer is a the honortalent that gives your charge an AOE root.

[@brentwaits954]

I didnt even know the warrior nerffs happened and i was playing my fury today and I literally said to my guild " did warriors get nerfd or something" it was insanely noticable that i was doing no dmg.. 610 item lvl and I was doing like 275k dps

[@brentwaits954]

if any other class has their dps go down 300k+ or more within 2 weeks while they already were the lowest dps, believe me they would be throwing tantrums

[@Taurinee1]

They need to retract these changes or buff fury's consistent damage. There is no other option that wont send fury down a spiral to being one of if not the worst spec in the game

[@TheClanKvsy]

I believe the initial nerf was reasonable, but the subsequent changes, such as the 3% aura adjustment and the cap on burst damage, are completely unnecessary. I suspect that the warrior designers at Blizzard are just coasting along without thinking critically. They don't seem to understand that the awkward point for Fury Warriors right now is that while burst damage is acceptable, the basic 4+1 rotation feels terrible. Often, without burst skills, our damage is only about 5%-20% higher than that of the tanks in the group. This ridiculous stable damage makes you wonder what all the effort put into gear collection, crafting, and refining your skills is really for. Perhaps Blizzard is looking at WCL data, but they don't realize that the damage for Fury Warriors actually comes from stealing damage from the add fight. RIP Blizzard. I really want to play a warrior, but at this stage, it's just not worth it. Let alone the other DPS specialization, which the great designers have ruined. With no damage, no functionality, and having to endure player discrimination, it’s really disheartening.

[@erthan6161]

If our cds are getting worse could this inadvertently be buffing mountain thane? Thane with ravager, onslaught, anger management would have a lot of sustain.

[@JAM-nr2cj]

Crit are you re rolling or sticking with fury?