More Open Gangway R211T Cars for NYC?

[@noahnorman6877]

Honey, look. Mystic Transit is uploading more often!

[@mood4eva98]

OMG ANOTHER VIDEO FROM THE GOAT!!!!! WE'RE SOOO BACK!!!

[@RascalTrainz]

Most likely scenario, option order R211As are going on the B and D trains, since the B is based of CNY it could be a possibility that a few R211s COULD end up on Broadway, while the the G is going to be a mix of R211Ts and R160s.

[@R262SubwayCar1]

Awesome Video, I'll like to see a video of future Extension and more

[@sennpowerhv6922]

Im still going to miss the R46 fleet. They were cars that felt like you were riding in luxury

[@Richard-l5q]

@@sennpowerhv6922 R44 was better

[@Boricua0375]

I wonder if the MTA needs more R211s for the A/C lines for Fulton Street/Liberty Av CBTC.

[@MysticTransit]

@@Boricua0375 The MTA needs 440 Cars to replace all R46s running on the 8th Avenue Line. A few extra cars from option 1 will likely also go to Pitkin for some extra reserve fleet.

[@Boricua0375]

​​​@@MysticTransit Like how much cars from Option Order 1 to the A/C?

[@patrickfraleyjr2819]

It's good to see Mystic Transit back in action!

[@captainkeyboard1007]

This story is the best news I have seen on KZbin.💙

[@SomeRamdomAhole]

Man Kawasaki cooking 🗣️🔥

[@reececollison5101]

I’m glad it’s Kawasaki, their trains have awesome propulsion sounds including these R211s

[@TransitMan_123]

I am glad your posting more videos on this channel the original

[@goatiebaaproductions]

I can't wait to see R211 G's pretty soon :)

[@RonGerstein]

Only 100 R211Ts in the total order.

[@aqua2poweros699]

And most will go on the (G)

[@GintaPPE1000]

Specifically, 80 in this batch. The other 20 are the ones they already have.

[@davidng2336]

Unlike the first 20, the other 80 will be able to operate anywhere.

[@Reformperson]

@@davidng2336yes and that would mean the R268 Order slated to replace the R68 Fleet will have Open Gangways.

[@Amiri_Francis]

Fun Fact: option two had been confirmed to be also replacing and retiring “a portion” of the R68s/R68As fleet it’s unknown if it’s a small or large amount but seeing that the R268s are only planned to be like 355 cars, I got the bad feeling that means most of the R68s are going to be retired just hope this doesn’t result in another train car shortage

[@86reyleon]

The MTA can order new subway cars, but somehow still has signals that’s over 80+ years old? 🤦🏽

[@nezarionbraxton8790]

I 1000% Agree, The Current Signaling System Is Trash Bro, They Claim To Not Have Any Money But They Keep Bringing In Half Million Dollar Subway Cars, I Don’t Get It. 🙄

[@enarush1]

I’m still waiting for them to make the rest of Dyer Ave line to be ADA accessible

[@vktor5730]

Not defending them, but at least they’re updating them with CBTC. It takes time to build miles of new tracks mixed with a computerized system while running 24/7/365 on a system as big as the NYC subway.

[@americangiant1003]

@@vktor5730I would rather the MTA just do a long term 24/7 shutdown on lines affected if possible to install these upgrades such as CBTC etc. Such as doing the Summer Holiday Season ie Late July to August. Or the year end holidays such as the week between Christmas and New Year’s. That way it’s much less ridership affected with schools and some riders on vacation. Much better than the closures of a weekends that make those projects much longer.

[@jorgegaston5391]

@@americangiant1003not happening on their watch. Subways are the moneymakers for the MTA. They reroute lines and close up one on weekends.

[@irinaxeno5961]

Thank goodness the R211S passed the 30 day now staten island can have a newer fleet!

[@alexthemtaandr211weatherfa2]

Did the first production set enter service today and the mta is going to retire the r44 before the option one set begins delivery

[@deniz2014]

THE R160A AND B CAN GO BACK TO CONEY ISLAND YARD FOR THE N Q R AND W

[@ColdSid]

Thank god

[@moe6702]

Great vid!

[@EndMii619]

now that the mta chose the hard shell r211t's, i wonder what will happen to the soft shell r211t's that were used

[@alexharris2495]

Kinda disappointed in the choice for hard shell, but definitely excited to see more open gangway trains coming to NYC

[@CrypticalAatrix]

@@EndMii619 The MTA will more than likely convert the current softshell R211T into a hardshell.

[@samuelitooooo]

The only thing I don't like is the plan to retire R68s with the R211. They should be kept in order to increase frequencies.

[@6TheButcher]

The R68s are doing Fine. They can last another 10 Years

[@Blank00]

Will the existing R211Ts be retrofitted to match the future Ts? If not, will they designate these as R211T1, R211T2, and R211T3 for soft shell, hard shell, future hard shell?

[@briancatchflightss]

Happy that they’re adding more R211T’s you would’ve thought it was just going to be 2 sets. now it’s more of a possibility for them to be on other lines.

[@bobainsworth5057]

Any improvement is good improvement.

[@adrianwitzburg3009]

I love the R211’s and hope the R262’s and the R268’s will have a similar design

[@daviennoel4563]

I wonder what will happen to the R160s R160Bs and R143s?

[@MysticTransit]

They’ll run normally until their retirement in 20-25 years.

[@daviennoel4563]

Well that would be sad because the trains we have are really useful to the subway system

[@87uioptine]

@@MysticTransit Not the NTT'S :0

[@ManuelAndres68]

@87uioptineagreed

[@darkwoodmovies]

The R211s are great, very quiet and comfortable and well-lit. But the open gangway cars are my favorite - waaaay better than the classic segmented trains. I kinda wish they converted the whole system to open gangways.

[@CanalConcourse1196]

I was almost gonna complain about that Staten Island needed the R211 cares but the R44s and R46s are like 50 years old, nearly 60 years in service, so I could see them getting on the main subway and the SIR.

[@cesarcarranza216]

I’m happy to see the r211t and no so excited for some of the problems to come

[@kusiciel]

Transverse seating will be missed

[@deniz2014]

FINALY WE ARE GETING MORE R211T

[@ericbreedlove580]

Some of the R211 should go one the 1-3-6 they need new subway cars

[@Rflv26]

i feel like the 68s still got years on them

[@r62aguy85]

I’m sorry The A line will never been the same without their R46s The R46 along with their twin sisters the R44 made the A line the A line. It’s going to be very weird not seeing them on the A no more.

[@ManuelAndres68]

FR

[@cryorig_transit05]

Can't wait to ride the R211T's more often!

[@KymanitheCaracal]

Now the CBTC installation between 59th and Lefferts I believe is a better attempt because having it above 59th on Central Park West is too soon in my opinion. It would have forced Concourse, Coney Island, 207, Pitkin and, Rockaway Yards to forfit their R46s, R68s and R68As sooner than anticipated. And knowing my Uncle who worked at Concourse as a TO, Concourse does not like giving up their equipment to anyone else. They'll hold the Coney Island sets for the (B), but anything else, they hate so much.

[@MysticTransit]

Concourse Shops only assignment is the (D), while the (B) is assigned to Coney Island Shops. Concourse Yard however stores some (B) & (4) Train stock. It doesn’t matter if they don’t want to give up their cars, they will HAVE to. 6th Av CBTC will start installation late next year through 2029, and that requires New Techs to run on ALL lines operating on the 6th Avenue trunk.

[@KymanitheCaracal]

@MysticTransit That clears the air with how many railfans and foamers constantly telling me that the (B) resides with concourse when R68A 5114 was constantly swapped between the (B) (G) (N) (Q) and (W) around 2020 2021.

[@yoelkranczer580]

​@@MysticTransitI think the B train will get R160 while the D will get R211

[@r62aguy85]

@@KymanitheCaracal your absolutely right there’s always been this theory that concourse refuses to take any other equipment that isn’t R68/A. Remember they been maintaining the R68/A for almost 4 decades and they have experience with these cars and they do a very good job in maintaining them hence why they are always reliable. props to concourse yard and their crew for that. I hope they don’t mess with their R68/As

[@r62aguy85]

@@MysticTransitIt’s true my Step Brother works for the concourse yard facility and I can confirm they do refuse equipment that’s not R68/A they don’t even wanna deal with anything that’s not R68/A related they’ll barley store a couple of R68/As from CIY for B service in the morning but that’s it, and rare rare occasion they may have one R46 looming. Point of the matter is concourse don’t deal with non 75 footers.

[@Emmanuel-be3lg]

hi mystic transit !!!

[@dorf33]

why cant the soft shell cars run on most lines?

[@rikamayama2909]

@@dorf33 FDNY says it doesn’t meet their code

[@RocketTrain-0]

Most likely the order will not be fully delivered. QBL has R160s already. R211s are going to the BMT.

[@MysticTransit]

The order has been placed. The full order will be fulfilled. The extra cars are for fleet expansion.

[@RocketTrain-0]

@ Doesn’t mean that the order is confirmed. It’s still in speculation.

[@MysticTransit]

@ The MTA board voted on the new order for 211s. It IS confirmed. Here’s the procurement: new.mta.info/document/160601

[@RocketTrain-0]

@@MysticTransit Let’s see if the delivery will be 100% complete. We still don’t know about the fleet assignments.

[@TransitFans]

Option 2 has been approved for 435 cars. R211A 355 and R211T 80 cars.

[@glamslamcam]

I’m excited to see more R211’s coming to NYC. I just wish the 2nd Option Order was gonna be 100% Open Gangway. That said, I’m glad there will be more of the Open Gangway trains at all, so 80 new cars is still a victory. Bring on more of the R211’s!!!

[@TransitFans]

It’s because the R211T are more cost effective than R211A.

[@ManuelAndres68]

Yeah

[@dancingwiththestars3778]

Couple R160 Will Transfer from Jamaica & Coney Island Yard to Concourse and/or 207th St Yard for A,B,C & D Lines In 2025 👍❤😅😊

[@alankanen1052]

When will the new cars show up on the "E" line here in Queens ?

[@BigPops757]

I’m still confused wasn’t 6th ave supposed to get CBTC first than broadway? Capital plan shows broadway getting CBTC first

[@MysticTransit]

6th will still get CBTC. It’s funded as part of the 2020-24 capital plan. Broadway is in the 2025-29 plan.

[@BigPops757]

@@MysticTransitPreciate the correction. I thought the MTA had changed their minds again

[@brmnyc]

What are some of the differences between the R211A and R211S?

[@jadenmuniz8817]

Yay! All R211 cars are coming!

[@dinonator89]

I did some calculations of these trains, there will be 1,535 R211 cars (all orders), while there are 754 R46 cars (942 cars if they were 60 feet) so the R46 will officially retire in 2027. There are 625 R68/68As (approximately 780 if 60 feet). There will be around 595 R211 cars left that might replace the R68/68A cars. When some of the R68 fleets get retired, there will be around 185-190 R68 cars remaining until it gets replaced by the future R268 cars (with 355 car orders). Which means that the R268 might even replace the R143, which will be an aging train in the future. (So basically, the MTA will retire more than 2/3 of the 68s for the R211)

[@r62aguy85]

If the MTA are smart they’d hold on to these R68/A they are in no rush to be retired they are one of the most reliable cars in the system. If they make the same mistake they made in 2009 replacing the 38s the R40M the R32s phase 2 ahead of their time, there is going massive shortage and they are going to be scrambling. The R211 has not even been here 2 full years yet anything can malfunction with those things like what happened to the R179. If they’re smart they keep the R46 and R68/As around to at least 2030

[@dinonator89]

​​@@r62aguy85I dont think its going to be as bad when the 160s were new and replaced many of its retiring fleet. We are still experiencing the shortage fleet and i dont even think the MTA is going to solve the shortage issue, although I think they are going to run more trains (211s) because of cbtc. For the retirement of the 46s and the 68s, imo the r46 should've been retired already before, these trains ride very harsh, they experience 6 times more breakdown than other newer trains, they are basically on its last leg. As for the r68s retiring, im honestly mixed about it, i honestly think that its kinda a waste of money for retiring the r68s early for some new rolling stock, but then again, if they kept all the r68s for another decade, its probably going to end up like the 46s. The future orders of the 211s aren't going to be crazy lemon like the 179s and the quality and reliability might improve over current 211s

[@r62aguy85]

@@dinonator89 crazy that we are still feeling the shortage effect 15 years later but look the R46 just tuned 50 we have had older fleets like the R32s go for almost 60 years another 5 years wouldn’t hurt. Let’s not forget the R46 have ran on the A line the longest route of all of NYCT and they’re still pushing and getting the job done and at the end of the day that’s what passengers care about getting from A to B

[@dinonator89]

@@r62aguy85 When it comes to MTA, they either retire fleets earlier (R27/R30) or much later. A good example of fleets being kept longer are the R32s like you mentioned, these trains were quite known to break down less (even when it was retiring in 2022) unlike the R46, where i personally experience those trains breaking down, which ended up making the train operator bringing a newer train for us straight from the yard (people were definitely not happy for these delays). In my opinion, it was definitely a good thing that the R44 and R40 retired in 2010 due to major issues like cracks and rust on the train. They could've made more R179 around the early 2020s if it kept all the 32s/42s, but then, good timing they didnt because of covid. I believe if the train turns 50 years old, its a good time for them to retire

[@TransitFans]

That’s incorrect the R268 are not retiring any of the R143. They are only retiring the remaining of the R68/A that R211 didn’t retired.

[@cooper6851]

What do you think about the R179s running on Culver? Do you think this is long term or just a quick switch as they shift equipment around?

[@ratuldeoun7228]

Why can't they order more R211 subway cars after congestion pricing money rolls in?

[@MysticTransit]

The R211 contract left room for 2 additional orders, with this new order, all options have been exercised. The next fleet for the B Division will be the R268s, intended to replace the remaining R68/A fleet.

[@ManuelAndres68]

Why the (G)?! I like the Line full R160s and ONLY R160s but hopefully they at least use both.

[@TheLiamster]

I’d love to see these cars replace the entire rolling stock and cbtc on every line

[@RonGerstein]

Can not replace the subway cars for the numbered lines (1 - 7, 42nd St Shuttle).

[@EndIessProductions]

R262

[@kaisworld31]

They have forgotten about IRT completely lol

[@MysticTransit]

As mentioned in my previous video, the A Division will get new cars as part of the next capital plan.

[@johnpegram8889]

@@MysticTransit Any news about the R268 for A Division? (Or R262 plans?)

[@oberwri1623]

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the Hard Shell 211T's snap?

[@adannycamacho5619]

I want more open gangway

[@dennisthebrony2022]

Will the R211s run on the N,Q,R and W lines, since those lines are being used with OTT trains like the R46 and R68? Also, when will the R62s be replaced with the R262?

[@darrylreedy5079]

No. Broadway is getting CBTC last. So those lines will get the remaining R68s from the B/D lines.

[@EndIessProductions]

@darry aw man

[@americangiant1003]

@@darrylreedy5079 From my understanding the N, Q and W lines might get any remaining leftover 211s or even 160s in addition to getting the best running 68s and 68a.

[@ManuelAndres68]

The B/D is getting R211A cars maybe in like 2025-2026 idk

[@leecornwell5632]

Wrong. The R268/AS will replacing all the R68/As for the B devisons iND BMT letter lines. The R262/As for the A devisons IRT numbers lines will replacing all the R62s R62As on the 1 3 6 S 42 Times square shuttle. They are about this close to find a builder for the R262/As . Kawasaki Yonkers or Nebraska is gonna build the R262 s R262As opengangways and close ways I'm telling you

[@_selvarajg_]

W Video

[@sahbreezyy]

Saulracing: Yes please more R211Ts🥺

[@SuperKJ31]

Are these cars going to be on Queens boulevard line as well

[@danielsamuels5857]

Not likely. They're probably gonna keep the R160s on Queens Boulevard, since the MTA doesn't want them leaving Jamaica Yard.

[@ManuelAndres68]

That’s great news

[@ManuelAndres68]

Cuz the G,E,F,R Has Jamaica and it fits perfectly. And some R211 cars are going to the G but at least there will still be R160 cars.

[@TheRailLeaguer]

Yes. That does seem like the trajectory going forward. Jamaica’s fleet will mostly be R211s by 2028.

[@daviiiid.r]

what lines can the R211Ts run on currently, and what will the new ones be able to run on? just curious

[@Richard-l5q]

@daviiiid.r C G L and R lines. Not sure about J and Z. But M line is also possible

[@CLBT7437]

​@@Richard-l5qThey can't run on the J/Z, L or M since those open gangway trains are too long.

[@Richard-l5q]

@CLBT7437 Option II order consider to be 4 car sets. Not sure if they change it

[@CLBT7437]

@@Richard-l5q They changed it. The entire order is 5 car sets.

[@ManuelAndres68]

They will not put them on the R the R line is keeping its R160s and They use Jamaica so.

[@duckasmrslay]

Will these new R211 orders come in exclusively 5 car sets for trains like the B and N or will they come in 4 and 5 car sets for trains like the C and M to run? (If the M is even eligible to run them as it is already using NTTs. And I know that the C runs 10 car 211s)

[@TheRailLeaguer]

435 cars, all in 5-car sets.

[@duckasmrslay]

@@TheRailLeaguer Ok, thanks!

[@gordonwerner]

Any word on the R62/62A replacement?

[@87uioptine]

It's mostly about R262's is what some people only know about.

[@r62aguy85]

My guy they are reliable af why fix what’s not broken

[@pjay9875]

There were articles about it according to that they do plan to upgrade them

[@SigmaRho2922]

10 10 car open gangway trains is not going to be enough

[@NYCerious]

So it sounds like all of the 211T's will go on the G-Line? Disappointing that the MTA opted for more 211A's over 211T's.

[@EndIessProductions]

open gangways are so expensive

[@ManuelAndres68]

R211 cars on the G is just horrible. Hopefully they only have like 5 10 car sets so that the R160s stay. I love riding a R160 Siemens to Court square

[@NYCerious]

@@EndIessProductions I'm sure they are more expensive than the normal 211A's, but like, how much more?

[@TheRailLeaguer]

@@ManuelAndres68500 or so R160s will be staying at Jamaica Yard when all said and done.

[@ManuelAndres68]

@ Most likely

[@mclovin1454]

How come Far Rockaway got snobbed like that? Far Rockaway is now becoming more populated than ever before it's gonna eventually need cbtc also.

[@irinaxeno5961]

I was thinking the same thing and plus they have the shutdown next year too for the rockaway portions. Something doesn't add up!

[@ManuelAndres68]

For real

[@danieldiazruiz4521]

Federal funds can fund it not taxing the poor

[@nezarionbraxton8790]

What Is The Difference Between Hard Shell And Soft Shell? Like What Do They Even Mean? Can Someone Help Me Out With This?

[@MysticTransit]

Hard Shell: Gangways are protected by a hard surface on the interior. Soft Shell: Gangways are exposed on the interior.

[@nezarionbraxton8790]

@@MysticTransitOh Okay Got It, So The Two R211Ts Currently Running On The C-Line, Are Those Soft Or Hard Shells?

[@TransitFans]

@@nezarionbraxton8790its actually both hard and soft shell open gangway.

[@ManuelAndres68]

One side is Hard and one side is soft

[@gerbs139]

A train via the F? 😮

[@krystalstackhouse4134]

so no r268?

[@leecornwell5632]

Not yet .

[@Noobguy-vj9lk]

Hello

[@YummyF0OD]

N,Q,W not getting ntts till 2035

[@Reformperson]

It might be sooner remember that they can get R211s from Option Order II as they will replace a some of R68s too

[@KennethRembertNYC]

The C train to Ozone Park-Lefferts Boulevard, fool!

[@ManuelAndres68]

He made a video about that you can check it out or type in Should we extend the C to Lefferts.

[@concertjunkiehd]

Why Hard shell???? URGH!!! I HATE the Hardshell look

[@EndIessProductions]

It isn’t even that bad lol

[@durece100]

Why? Hard shell is safer. Soft shell can be a bit unsafe when a person leans the open gangway soft shell between cars.

[@ManuelAndres68]

I rode a R211T only once and the hardshell is better I think they got rid of the softshell.

[@seanc5718]

Hard shell lame...

[@craigmorris954]

Open gangways are ridiculous idea Because in my day working the road. What happens when you have to go down in between the cause? To pull the angle orange to cut out a call. And what if there's no room to walk around the train like that?

[@NYCSubway123]

Comment when you think a r211 will derail⬇️ I bet in 2026

[@EndIessProductions]

Eh idk but you think of a specific date bcuz it literally could derail like anytime

[@ManuelAndres68]

Yeah and I’ve never heard of any crime in a R211 BUT at Jay st metrotech if you did not hear there was a really bad outage a couple weeks ago there were lifeless R211 cars with Lifeless R160 F train cars. It was a mess

[@jst4572]

These need to replace all currently running cars on all lines. All these different cars in the SUBWAY system is giving a patchwork orange and it needs to stop.

[@nezarionbraxton8790]

Yeah That’s Not How This Works, Transit Is Gonna Do What They See Fit Regardless Of How The General Public Feels.