Patterrz Reacts to "You're WRONG About Ash's Pikachu! (Game Theory)"

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[@dragonicdoom3772]

Now Matpat needs to use this data to determine Pikachu's actual EVs so we can get a nearly perfect idea of his stats at this point in the series

[@marioalbertomoreno3819]

and why no?, an actualized pikachu level for when he battles Cynthia/Leon

[@coreysmithson]

I would say a 128 in both attack stats like his greninja and max speed evs. It's confirmed pikachu is level 80 to

[@Cabin_of_Dionysus]

Bruh are you insane this is how matpat murders are made

[@aripjodi6863]

its 60 lvl yo matpat the legend never lies

[@antigeofactsforeverfan1961]

Bro we don’t even know the IV’s

[@the_godbodor7026]

No matter what you think about MatPat and the validity of his theories, he and his team put a commendable amount of effort into editing, research, and the like.

[@fanofultimatemadoka4]

Yeah,some of the theories are right but theories don't need to be right,if you want to prove a theory then just do your own research (I don't mean you,I mean some other people that hate matpat or just like matpat so much they believe whatever he says)

[@Sammy_The_Umbreon]

​@@fanofultimatemadoka4 This!!!! Theories arent facts. They're little 'thats how i think it happened' or funny 'but what if' scenarios. What if we looked at it from this view? What if that maybe happened? Hey, this connects to a different thing! Stuff like that.

[@guy.man.person]

now he calculate how much money Ash has

[@RedMadMichael]

The reason for why Johto suddenly had 3 seasons instead of the 1 previously is that because of the fact that Kanto was only 1 season there was no game to make season 2 out of so they made up the Orange Islands for Ash to travel through while Gold and Silver were being made, so when the finally could make the gen 2 anime they decided to stretch it out for 3 seasons so that Ruby and Sapphire could be made before the Johto anime ended.

[@ramiel1700]

That makes sense.

[@FinnManusia]

So from this, we expect the new season anime should be mid/end next year after Scarlett/Violet released end of this year.

[@cleverman383]

@@FinnManusia And the season should last 3 years until the next game comes out?

[@NormalHumanBeing300]

Nope snivy is on steroids that's why Pikachu lost Snivy is Cracked up as fuck

[@Aaron__Parker]

Pikachu losing to Snivy is almost as bad as Vinny losing an Arceus/Dialga pair to a Rattatta.

[@poopyface9961]

To be fair that could’ve been youngster joeys rattatta. And we know how strong his rattatta is.

[@BGrayWolf93]

My theory is that in that battle against snivy, pikachu received huge recoil damage each time he tried to use an electric move.

[@ehmolekkkkk]

He was looking fatigued after the failed moves, so yeah, I think Zekron thing did more than just lock Pikachu out of electric attacks.

[@sirderiusholmes2862]

What I think is that the Snivy Trip got wasn't a level 5 Snivy, I mean, WHAT LEVEL 5 SNIVY HAS LEAF TORNADO!! That thing was probably above level 10.

[@leoultimaupgraded9914]

@@ehmolekkkkk I mean he is a legendary so it makes sense, in lore no matter the level, legendaries are still really powerful.

[@NormalHumanBeing300]

Nah snivy on steroids

[@Gfreak250]

Attack the Moon is ridiculous, but so is Obelisk the Tormentor being unaffected by other card effects, so Yugi aims the effect at the ground instead of Obelisk.

[@muzankibutsiju4290]

He destroys the swords of revealing light to be able to kill Castle of Dark Illusion

[@Gfreak250]

@@muzankibutsiju4290 Wasn't it some kind of levitation ring that he timed the destruction of to collapse when Swords of revealing light wore off?

[@muzankibutsiju4290]

@@Gfreak250 probably. Not watched s1 in ages. Too much bs ruling

[@Gfreak250]

@@muzankibutsiju4290 Your last comment being a perfect example of how bs duelist kingdom could be.

[@muzankibutsiju4290]

@@Gfreak250 I don't think it could be more BS

[@killernyancat8193]

You should definitely watch MatPat's theories on Ash's age. They're great.

[@calebgoodman3028]

Weirdly enough the games do have event Pokémon directly based on the anime and Pikachu is always Level 50 for some reason *except* Gen 7 where he was Level 80 after Ash became Champion.

[@TheAchillesShield]

"I've used painstaking methods to determine Pikachu's level" "Meowth, who never battles, is constantly beaten by Pikachu, and literally just talks crap is level 70."

[@mairain6443]

Actually many factors made the OG Whitney fight hard. whilst Machop was a good option, in the first generation of games karate chop was a normal type move and low kick was got at level 20, so you would think you need to grind Machop 4 to 7 levels to learn a fighting type move, so most people wouldn't have thought of using it, even though it did have a few fighting type moves in gen 2, however it was still likely to be out sped and stomped out.

[@DissedRedEngie]

Something that has been a side question for me. Why doesn't pikachu have a nickname? Seriously, this is a thing in the game, since forever. But when I say pikachu, you think ash's pikachu. Not the random electric rat in a patch of grass. Pikachu is a major character, but it's treated like we called ash "human".

[@vaxel6873]

Because it's "The" Pikachu the mascot of the franchise.

[@nerddwarf]

@@vaxel6873 When I hear pikachu I see Light Ball 35/55/40/50/50/90

[@bulbasaur15]

# 001 "It may not have a nickname but I do have.....Charizard, I choose you!" ~ Tom Ato Ketchum

[@awesomeocelot7475]

Because Pikachu is the franchise mascot and they want people to know it’s name most likely. Plus barely any anime Pokémon have non species names.

[@AlexDayz]

I’m actually kinda surprised we don’t see more nicknamed Pokémon in the Anime since it’s a pretty big part of the games. I give every member of my team a nickname in every game

[@danielferrieri7434]

Easy: Whatever The Devs Want it to be

[@kewpiesensei]

the devs don’t make the anime

[@joshuapierre2095]

@@kewpiesensei devs of the anime

[@ViperSwann]

@@joshuapierre2095 you mean the animators and script writers?

[@emeraldfinder5]

@@ViperSwann nah, they mean the devs

[@Qoobon_]

@@emeraldfinder5 i programed paw patrol yesterday

[@Dragonveign]

Charizard doesn't obey and Charmeleon grew so quickly because Charmander was technically a "traded" Pokemon, early on they weren't very good at it but they did make strives to try and match the games

[@getshwifty3101]

To be fair about Wobbuffet, he WAS given to James. For all we know, his original trainer had given it a TM move. I just don't think James was told about it, thinks it ONLY had Basic Wobbuffet moves. And just didn't know how to use it, know that it's built for something OTHER than Basic Wobbuffet Strats.

[@shelbybayer200]

Charizard grew fast because Ash isn't technically his original trainer It was technically a Trade/Gift Pokemon from trades can grow faster then Pokemon with their original trainer The movies are even considered Canon to the Journey Given how the first movie CAN happen as that Mewtwo appears later in a Regular Episode of the Hoenn Region Mewtwo did Whipe the memory of everyone but the Events DID happen You can lose experience if you haven't fought for a while Pikachu didn't actually fight a whole lot till the very End Reason Snivy actually won It's a very STUBBORN Snivy

[@chaseharmon4652]

As much as it's funny hearing people joke about Pikachu loosing to a level 5 Snivy, can we all remember that it was absolutely not level 5? There is only one way for Snivy to have Leaf Tornado - by being level 16. I want the calculations run for a level 16 Snivy to see how that goes, because a level 5 Snivy simply doesn't have Leaf Tornado.

[@laharlkent]

I figured it out. Pikachu is a paradox Pokémon, with either ice or grass to keep taking out all those rock/ground types so easily.

[@pokedi93]

Here we go, game theories to make our minds blow!

[@saul-goodman]

Snivy gets leaf storm at level 43 and it isn't an egg move so it's not that hard to imagine Pikachu losing to a level 43 pokemon

[@NormalHumanBeing300]

Pikachu didn't loose to a A level 43 snivy, HE LOST TO A LEVEL 43 SNIVY ON STEROIDS

[@SDSDragnov]

I mean makes sense sort of, as zekrom was level 70(if going off bw2) So a 59 (at lowest) pickachu getting nuked by zekrom would leave it fairly low hp wise, but yeah thats about it, it does seem a bit sus

[@TOXICNightmare]

“You’re Snivy toughed it out for you!”

[@toxic_leopard_yt69]

Snivy landed a critical hit, wishing to be praised. *heart effect*

[@insecdroid]

Leaf Storm isn’t learned until Snivy hits around lvl 60. Make of that what you will.

[@ArrogantAngel]

i think the problem in this guys math is that he didn't remember that pikachu was sick and the pokerus exists... when oak had the pikachu he acted as if pikachu was special somehow. pikachu could have had the pokerus. if so, pikachu could have spread it to ashs other pokemon which explains why they were more powerful than they should be.

[@voiddwelling7285]

Nobody ever brings this up about That Unova/Black and White episode, But Pikachu Was being effected by Zekrom in that moment, he couldn't use his Electric Type Moves and it caught him heavily off Guard and that was why He lost Against that Snivy. Edit: Further into the Video They Bring This up lol

[@SatokoHoujouOriginalRoleplayer]

The only way Pikachu should have lost that fight was if there was an active ATK stat modifier that lowered his ATK by at least 80%, and his HP would have to have been less than 32 at the time. That's the only way I can see Pikachu losing to a level 5 Snivy.

[@hunter_hiebert]

Focus Sash and an injured Pikachu really is the *only* way I can make sense of that battle.

[@InktheImpassive]

Or that Snivy is somehow Level 43 cuz Leaf Storm is learned at that level.

[@killaknight12]

I mean theoretically it's impossible for Ash's Pikachu to reach lvl 100, since the opposing Pokemon are way lower level, especially starting a new region and you need absurd amounts of EXP.

[@BoringIron]

Your right but its not impossible

[@megacharizardxgod5298]

that guy with the snivy must've had some rare candies

[@patrickmcathey7081]

The theory is ashes pikachu has mood breaker ability making his moves able to ignore immunity.

[@deltoralk]

Pokemon Level exist in the anime, they just don't do anything. There's a difference, Pokemon learn moves and evolve whenever they want.

[@ValetinoLovebird]

the amnesia hit so hard Ash forgot his battle experience, lol, he forgets his family and previous friends

[@Dile0303]

amd that's de why you heal at the pokémon center after every fight. Otherwise you lose to a Lv5 snivy with a focus sash

[@unripetheberrby6283]

9:08 Yeah, like was even freaking confused as a kid Yeah Pikachu actually had lost or 'hadn't done much' a lot throughout some years, like woo....but otherwise, weird plot would come in later lol.. Cool to see it all listed!~

[@anthonycurby4606]

When was the last time Pikachu saw a poke center for healing? Agree with patterz

[@wwerules000]

He rarely heals pickachu maybe because he hardly loses

[@bedwarspro1752]

“0 EVs and 0IVs” Me:How would he get levels then,and also ever heard of PIVs?

[@imakegachaclubvideos6323]

2:00 Perfect abridged Tristan voice

[@eliteshinx8884]

Plot twist, the first attack used by snivy was endeavour disguised as a different attack.

[@avacado9046]

I'm pretty sure if you get amnesia you can still do the stuff you learned, it'll just feel like the first time you've done it or something

[@kittykake44]

Fun fact: This episode was researched almost exclusively by the man who's gonna replace MatPat on The Game Theorists when he retires

[@YourManMichael]

I adore the theory reaction videos

[@nicloren2220]

i love matpat !!!! his videos are just amazing and even if it never makes complete sense , it is so interesting to see where his mind goes when he thinks about this

[@FoxPrinceHope]

I like how path and all of the chat didn't know that season 6 was hoenn- I guess they were confused because they thought it went by region rather than series

[@jonathanstromxmonicaddlcma6371]

In the Pokémon summer camp episode with the kid on the treadmill they do reference levels but other than that they don’t reference levels in the anime at all that I remember

[@wifflewaffle5006]

Snivy definitely wasn’t level 5, she had a previous owner that snivy abandoned cause she deemed them unworthy of training her, which makes me believe that maybe snivy was traded at high level to a new trainer (which in games makes the Pokémon ignore you hence why it makes sense she would just leave that trainer in the anime) It easily could put snivy at level 30+ for me And I’m unsure of the last move Ash has taught pikachu, but I feel at basically level 60 pikachu should have better moves than thunderbolt and iron tail, so it makes sense to me that pikachu could lose to a level 30 snivy

[@TyshaggyGaming]

Its not uncommon for people to keep thunderbolt over the much less accurate Thunder. And Iron Tail is Iconic to ash’s pikachu

[@GOMplayZ]

Snivy with focus sash and hit both attacks as critical hits

[@salvatoresultana4058]

If Snivy was level 5, how come it knew Leaf Tornado? Still an inexcusable loss, but it clearly wasn’t “Level 5”

[@seirramoon388]

man just imagine if matpat played in pokemon tournaments, hed prolly have the best pokemon he could get XD

[@WelziFC7]

When MatPat showed the spreadsheet he accidentally showed the final level in the bottom right

[@Budewfan]

I commented on that video with the math about what level Snivy would have to be. I still have it on hand. Also, I don't remember if I took critical hits into consideration. Here is the comment: In the middle of writing this, I realized we still don't know what Pikachu's EVs would be, which should be calculable from the battles we see, but that's a problem for another day So what level would Snivy have to be in order to survive/knock out Pikachu? Notes: Max [stat] refers to 31 IVs and 252 EVs in a stat, and 0 [stat] refers to 0 IVs and 0 EVs in a stat (for those who don't know, IVs = random number between 0-31 assigned when a Pokemon is generated, EVs are gained through battle and max out at 252 per stat, 508 overall) Using the Pokemon Showdown damage calculator, Snivy would have to be at minimum level 11. It would also need a Defense-boosting nature, Max Defense and HP, and even then there would be a 43.8% chance to OHKO from a minus Attack nature, 0 Attack Pikachu at level 59. Out of curiousity, I decided to see what level would survive if Snivy had 0 Defense and HP with a Defense-lowering nature vs Pikachu with Max Attack and an Attack-boosting nature at level 61. The answer there is level 33, where it has a 12.5% chance to not get OHKO'ed. For knocking out Pikachu, I had to calculate the damage range of 2 moves, so I spent an hour re-learning Excel (or, in this case Google Sheets) to calculate. The minimum level for Snivy to KO Pikachu is 43 if Pikachu is level 59, 0 HP, Defense, and Sp. Defense with a Defense-lowering nature and Snivy has Max Attack and Sp. Attack and an Attack-boosting nature. Under these circumstances, there is approximately a 2.0% chance of Snivy getting the KO. However, these odds can be greatly improved at the same level if we switch the natures so Snivy has a Sp. Attack- boosting nature while Pikachu has a Sp. Defense-lowering nature, boosting the odds of knocking out Pikachu go up to 28.5%

[@42Mrgreenman]

18:00 "And it looks like you've been Metroided...all your stats are at level 1." lol..."If you hit yourself hard enough." Yeah, that's basically it...

[@eletraf]

Has nobody thought about how ash does training, besides random battles?

[@burhan8728]

2:50 mean while one piece with (im pretty sure at the time of the recording it was 900+) episodes 🗿🍷

[@chefgreasypaw7816]

Maybe his pikachu is just level 5 and the only way it wins battles is living on one hp with affection

[@jeremybenden5654]

Pikachu just wanted to boost snivy's confidence for their first journey

[@michaelsong3733]

I get why you'd say "Misty isn't that hard, BUT MORTY", but i completely disagree. I don't like Machop, and I don't think many of us do over everything else we could have used. Using the "just get machop" logic, you could easily say "just transfer your Mewtwo from the last game." "Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled trainers should try to win with their favorites. I like your style. You understand what's important. Go on, the Champion is waiting." - Karen of the E4. just my smart-*** opinion but do continue.

[@_Rozzo]

watching game theory is a guilty pleasure of mine

[@lucaspiano76]

Now that ash and pikachu are gone from the anime I think matpat should cover the other 4 regions to see what level pikachu is when he leaves the series

[@Beyondthe5thPanel]

I’m going to guess, before this video ends, that it will be what it is in the games currently, which is level 70 receiving ashes Pikachu as a mystery gift

[@guffthebird72]

19:36 I unlearned riding a bike because I haven't done it for 3 years

[@guidegenius6003]

The thing is, maybe Pikachu was at 1 Hp?

[@CilanSteele]

The only thing I can really argue with his theory is that for some reason he’s taking Team Rocket levels into account when they don’t ever really win. So placing them at levels 40-70 just don’t make a lick of sense

[@luisaponte7703]

It’s so funny how in the theory the guy says he’s not gonna let anime logic get in the way for him on how Pikachu beat ditto and Dragonite and just let’s it slide, when this whole video is based on a Snivy that should’ve been much weaker than Ash’s Pikachu.

[@fireredgaming6655]

Ash has been training for 20 years Red from RBY to GSC has only been training for three

[@_astav]

Currently rehabbing after an injury that kept me off my leg for months & I lost all my muscle mass. Can confirm it sucks even more than you’d think shockingly 😂 I really hope our favourite thunder rat didn’t have to go through that.

[@aureliamastergoomba1278]

Now I wonder what Pikachu’s level is after the journey’s over

[@keithshaughnessy1730]

"You cant just unlearn something" pokemon unlearn moves all the time

[@dandrake8788]

Just realized matpat gave the answer away at 21:50 XD

[@brexalissongalan3272]

Pikachu's true level:PLOT ARMOR!!

[@dynastystar5515]

I find it stupid how MatPat specifically excludes any evidence that goes against the point he wants to making)wants pikachu to come across as low level, exclude as much of team rocket as he can)

[@TyshaggyGaming]

The majority of theorists do that. Its to. And its dumber when they fall to the excuse of it “just being a theory” a theory that is easily proven wrong isnt a theory

[@dynastystar5515]

@@TyshaggyGaming yeah, MatPat's the only one I know of. His theories are easily proven wrong. My go-to example is on link being dead in major's mask. I feel like it's far more likely that he's grieving over that he will never find Navi again. I would also point to the theory ofnpikachu's level where he excludes the majority of pikachu's wins because the pokemon isn't physically shown as having been fainted.

[@matthewhunt9213]

How he beats his counters by fricken counter attacking all basic type attacks like bone throw and all phsycic he just screams and then says NOPE

[@blazedj]

Watching Acetrainer Liam’s coverage of the anime, there’s actually a lot less actual battles that take part across the series. It’s eye opening.

[@lunamaanimation7090]

He forgot to add up exp share as well so he should be mutch higher

[@PatLund]

It's not irrelevant! In an early episode of the anime they visit a Pokémon school where they talk about what level certain Pokémon evolve.

[@simonrespeto]

Theory: Ash was a noob and forgot to save his game before transferring it to the Unovan PC. So, his Pikachu turned back to Level 5 but retained all moves bcus idk.

[@NormalHumanBeing300]

Nooo, Pikachu is level 97 and snivy is just on steroids

[@Markcrazeer]

No red had an 81 pikachu after one region and then retireing to the top of an icy mountain for two years.

[@channingpappe2876]

I say for the likes of snivey or challenging early Pokémon, maybe they were training and are on a higher level compared to game logic. Snivey is just training with the other Pokémon at the lab so he can start off strong.

[@BearWith_You]

Still say Pikachu should be 100 in Gen 5. In game terms. Dont use game XP to calculate anime battles. Run through 4 games with the same Pikachu on your team, thats his Pikachu's level

[@vernessawashington9007]

that would be much less accurate lol

[@BearWith_You]

@@vernessawashington9007 Using game logic in an anime is inaccurate. Meowth doesn't battle so there would be no way its level 71

[@promangaming1555]

And it also couldn't use it's electric type moves either

[@YaoiFan22]

14:49 Why do people have such trouble with her? I may have lost maybe half my team (maybe 4 Pokemon as I don't include Pokemon I don't plan to use in the League), but I still beat her my first try. I had to redo the Ghost Gym 5+ times to beat that man. 15:00 I did not use a Machop. That's his name! I hated his Gym Battle.

[@JaydenBowls]

At the beginning when pat made his guess of 54 i literally picked 65. Just 4 off on my first guess of not watching this video

[@SbflameGaming]

Ash's pikachu is level 30 when he got him cause you only learn thunderbolt at level 26

[@jacobmon5324]

Mat explaining math pat I like your funny words magic man

[@vwanimations4986]

i mean auckland transport trains give lots of leg space and if you 5-15 on weekends it free but i mean ehh idk

[@prohungary8614]

Man never had a stroke before.

[@m1tl6y0tl2]

Lv 255 like the lost silver creepypasta pikachu

[@wesleydamen2018]

4:18 its anime if you are 100 years old your automatically one of the strongest people on the planet Old peiple in anime are always badass

[@specialpanda4606]

Hey Pat, you do a lot of Pokemon game music tier lists, I would love to see you do a Pokemon anime theme song tier list

[@ZimVerse]

He Has Already Done One. Twice Actually.

[@specialpanda4606]

@@ZimVerse Oh really? They must've slid under my radar. I'm newer to the channel

[@MegaMrAlexis]

I kind of wanna know all of his Pokemons levels now

[@lazerbeam134]

The writers of the Pokemon Anime have no clue how type advantages work

[@Becca11389]

he just has perfect stats

[@GodBroly]

No the max level for route 1 is 7 in rby

[@likmattress]

MatPat saying that Ash's lvl 35 pikachu can't beat lvl 73 Pokemon, smallest over here beating lvl 100 Pokemon while being lvl 5

[@lostsoulsthc7137]

wait was that bunery picture when he said lucky a dig at Moxie2d?

[@chiburyboi3585]

2:49 dude trust me it only takes half a year to finish

[@hedgeyplays]

I wonder if he counted STAB on leaf tornado

[@KhoaTran-md5ou]

you can only cancel evolution with the poke dex :) so.... no team rocket can't do that

[@Mr.wednesdayallfather]

I'm just going to say this if you want a lot of leg room when you're flying fly freight

[@CrankedUpRadio]

Game came first Also in show they did bring up levels in a school for “pokemon geniuses” Early on But in the game you have the choice to not evolve

[@ShinyRowletGuy]

you 100% need to watch man of the internet's legendary bytes, one song per generation