The Netflix Series DESTROYING The Fat Community | Baby Reindeer

[@Michellemcd543]

*Antagonist* HOW DARE YOU CORRECT ME…😂😂😂 jk thanks you guys! And thanks for being here! Check out Lizzo and all the other celebs on the Met Gala carpet in yesterday’s video! kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipnJZpxrnbNqeaMsi=d2xyVNqyt7i9a3AW

[@moonshineblues204]

😆 🤣 😂

[@CMinorOp67]

Lol…you also said photogenic when you meant (and it read) photographic. 12:50 But, I’m not nit-picking. 🤭

[@moonshineblues204]

Well.... also your breath stinks michelle.... We can smell it through the screen 🤪 😜 😆 🤣

[@MaybeitsclusterB]

😂

[@savantofillusions]

The woman this is based on went on Piers Morgan and denies all the gory details - she never went to jail, she’s a real lawyer, she never heckled him or sent 40000 emails - it’s wild - I think he socially engineered Netflix and they never followed up on any evidence

[@Alouette91]

Fat activists should love the show! It's so inclusive! It shows that no matter the sex, fatness, age, background everyone can be creepy! 😂

[@user-xp6xw8zl6z]

Yeah not all fat people are the funny sidekick. 😂

[@JayMich29]

Lol! Okay!

[@lacountess]

Especially since the actress they chose is the spitting image of the actual person. They could have denied a fat person that role and gone with a hot chick but they chose authenticity and talent over looks.

[@MerryWidow420]

Lots of creepy people dunking on this woman as if Gadd's claim that his story is "100% emotionally true" means it's total fact and no possibility that Harvey could be telling the truth. Very creepy.

[@user-xp6xw8zl6z]

@@lacountess they probably would have had a problem with that too. "Ohh you gave the role away just for the male gaze."

[@Mmmmm83838]

“Every time I see a fat person in a role I think ‘Okay, this is portraying me’…” What a weird narcissistic way to think?? I don’t attach myself to every short brunette I see on screen, because I have an identity of my own. That’s just so weird to even say out loud

[@SaheeliRai]

And here i was, convinced that i now had to be exactly like every Bollywood actress. Such a shame 😂

[@spOOkytimes]

Right?! That bothered me so much. She needs to seek help if she expects every fat character to be a representation of her. The FA community wants to conflate their issues with the disabled community and communities of color so so badly. Ex. Autistic people finally have _actual_ autistic people representing them in media. People of color have media that doesn't boil their characters down to stereotypes. _These_ are _actual_ issues people have faced by media, being further stereotyped and othered. NOT "does this character represent me, and only me, accurately?"

[@PoisonedApathy]

Because they make being fat their entire personality...

[@MandieTerrier]

Imagine having such a victim mentality

[@katieviolet29]

Right?? By her logic, I’m Sydney Sweeney because we both have big tits and baby faces. How dare Sydney Sweeney portray a desperate slut on Euphoria, that makes the large chest/youthful face community look bad! Really ridiculous. When I see the woman in Baby Reindeer, the last thing I’m thinking about is “hmm. All fat people are crazy!”

[@Lady-Artblock]

The funny thing is that Martha was never criticized for being fat, just for being creepy. And the actress received good criticism. The only people who make a big deal out of her being overweight are the bodypositive ones.

[@rsh793]

Totally I've not heard a word about the size except here hearing this 😐

[@spOOkytimes]

Yeah, my immediate thought when I saw her in the show wasn't "omg hideous fat person!! Of course she is evil!!" (legit fatphobia). It was "oh man the FAs are going to be pissed about this character being an antagonist because lord forbid fat people are portrayed as bad." Not even joking.

[@AllyCakes12]

Yep. I thought the actress was amazing. Her size was never the focus cos her creepiness was what the movie mainly focused on.

[@christinerodriguez3976]

And no one needs to listen to those whiny people. I personally am over that.🙄

[@WtfManHaveAny]

I didn’t know the background of the show but I knew the lead lady was creepy.

[@jirup]

1. Don't be a stalker, and 2. don't go public with denials if someone makes a Netflix series out of it.

[@MerryWidow420]

And 3: if you actually are defamed take it all the way and do not stop until you are rich enough to never work again.

[@CAMarg-zs1xq]

That denial was so weird

[@nusaibahibraheem8183]

No 3. Don't stir up old stalker shit, coz your stalker might still be unstable.

[@SnapdragonALL]

I am from the US, but I live in Albania. I have a hot stalker, but I have managed to make him leave me alone for going on 3 months now. The intercom system is broken in my building, so we have to leave the security door open. Last time he showed up, I slapped him and told him that the time he is spending stalking me could be better spent with his 7-year-old son. He teared up, said "OK,"and does not show up at my apartment anymore. It was difficult because I got some hots for him too. However, I knew he lived with a young girlfriend across the street from me. THEN, he revealed he is also married and has a kid!! WHAT?? I have a rule about not messing with men who have a girlfriend or wife. He has both?? Girlfriend knew about the wife before she homewrecked. He admitted he is a massive cheater. I see, wife kicked him out, and he moved in with his girlfriend. I put a dagger in his heart when I told him to stop messing with me and go spend time with his son. It worked. ETA: When he kept stalking me, I finally opened the door to yell at him. He LITERALLY knocked on my door for 2 hours when he figured out I was home. I am not exaggerating. I opened the door to tell him to leave me alone. It was the 7th time. I made the mistake of yelling, "Go away!!" Previously, I tip-toed around my apartment, looked through the peephole, and thought, "Oh, this guy." I made it appear I was not home. He pursued like a Terminator. He did end up winning me over a bit. Once we talked more, I said to him, "You're an asshole." He nodded his head and said, "Yeah." It was the most difficult situation I have ever had with a man. I was attracted to him, but my morals made it impossible to deal with him. I am 51, and he is 38. That is saying a lot for me to be 51 without ever having dealt with this kind of situation. Sometimes we dejayed music for each other. I played Gratisfaction by The Strokes. He played Madness by Muse. He also played Shine On you Crazy Diamond by Pink Floyd.

[@mjfanta1915]

The denial is necessary for a narcissist.

[@imani55555]

This Show Was So Eerie bc it’s so real! And especially for male victims of SA who aren’t taken seriously, very disturbing

[@Thebeezzkneezz.]

No one is taken seriously when it comes to SA. It is not a not believing abuse competition. I find it really distaste full, The numbers of female SA is so high yet most still rnt believed, and it feels like the ones that are believed are the fucking liars

[@randompandagirl831]

That’s because it was real he was the victim and changed his stalkers name place of work so no one would know who it was and she ended up outing herself out

[@MathStar100]

Women are also not taken seriously very often

[@dosesandmimosas9696]

Ive seen shows and movies with skinny girls being the "bad guy" i think it's more about the vibe they are trying to cast for. Also the lady who plays Martha is insanely good at acting so im glad it was her.

[@lemonadelunacy3291]

​@@randompandagirl831she didn't put herself dude she was dragged out by internet sleuths so she came onto Piers' show to set the record straight. She's using both Richard gadd and Netflix. He changed her LAST name and nothing else as far as her likeness goes. He didn't have any sort of permission to tell her story, and even though 50% of it was also HIS, he still should've gone to her about it ahead of time. She was fucking blindsided and now her life is ruined

[@aviatrix7774]

The main actress was absolutely phenomenal in this role. And the fact that she wasn't even Scottish blew me away.

[@tkps]

A good actor should be able to do accents. If she's properly trained and in the UK they tend to be unless it's a reality type or model being given a role which doesn't happen all that often, they will be trained to do accents because the UK has so many and everyone notices if they get it wrong.

[@solaris5922]

She’s not? She fooled tf outta me.

[@Angela-gd3cj]

@@tkps regardless, as a half jock half mick, both accents are very easy to fuck up and quite difficult to get right without sounding hammy or comical.

[@ParkS9321]

She nailed it, her performance was fantastic!

[@charlotte-eg3pl]

Yupp she is so sweet and different irl but in the movie its so damn scary

[@RamenzillaX]

All I know is the actress did that. She nailed it. She’s also very pretty so…the real Martha should be grateful tbh.

[@alexycaceresgiraud328]

Actually when I watched the montage of her wearing different outfits I thought, you can be fat, wear clothes that fit you and look very nice because the actress did look very nice in some of the outfits

[@leccybadger]

Jessica Gunning is a very talented actress and a very pretty lady

[@every_planet_we_reach_is_dead]

She's got such a pleasant voice and face that it ironically makes her a great villain 😂

[@VeganBambi]

you dont have to lie

[@JRenaeK]

@@VeganBambihave you seen her outside of the role??? she's really pretty. just cause you don't agree doesn't mean we are lying grow up

[@violetmarinaayis]

Imagine being a stalker and seeing a portrayl of yourself, people being creeped out, and OUTING YOURSELF AS A STALKER 💀💀💀

[@tkps]

I didn't see the article describing what happened but after she outed herself in that interview a politician's wife came forward and said years before the same woman had made her life a living hell. So it seems this guy is not the only one who has been subject to her behaviour.

[@jackjuniorsmart8171]

That ain’t what happened the internet found her she didn’t out herself she had to because she was getting threats extra

[@KdotStew]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Tania-rg7jp]

If she’s a lawyer she doesn’t seem to be very skilled in how she basically incriminated herself on live television.

[@ieattofu68]

Excellent point.

[@carpenoctem1182]

She shouldve just left a statement and keptnit at that

[@elalogar7340]

I saw some parts of her interview. She has a boyfriend who is a lawyer. Though, people in the comments wanted to know, if he knew he was a boyfriend.

[@cynthia8480]

They would have been even more mad if they would have use a skinny actress screaming about how they are misrepresented in Hollywood… I’m so over this shit

[@boosqueezy2418]

yes!!!! i was gonna write the same thing!!!

[@cynthia8480]

@@boosqueezy2418you can’t win with fat acceptance group… they are the creators of delulu era

[@grundvald]

Was also going to say this.

[@zitronentee]

That's more like Fatal Attraction or Obsessed

[@eleisatrujillo3398]

​@@BonnieGruesomeamen to that 🙏

[@boosqueezy2418]

had they hired a thin actress to play her, they’d be flipping out over that. you really can’t win with these people.

[@terejosh13]

you seem like you would be mad at dark skinned mermaids 😂

[@noname-ip9xe]

Maybe not, they don’t like negative portrayals only good,even if it’s a lie, if she was skinny they would have never searched for her.

[@spOOkytimes]

It's how to kill a movement. People get so sick of "but acshuallllyyy" that they stop listening after a certain point. Having fat people only as side characters is a legit criticism imo, but they have had fat characters be main characters for a while now. They are just trying to nitpick and grasp at straws with this one.

[@KidArkx]

​@@noname-ip9xeThey would've found the fat lady and then said he was fatphobic or not wanting a fat actress to portray a fat woman.

[@VeganBambi]

nah, they just wouldn't think it's realistic for someone thin and therefore "attractive" to obsesses over some ugly guy

[@alkrab764]

I hate that this controversy about the stalker’s weight is taking away from the fact that the actress did SUCH as good job that you were sympathizing with someone who was doing bad things.

[@jeongbun2386]

This channel whole shtick is making money out of being obsessively weird about fat people. Idc abt her weight, she was a stalker, thats what matters.

[@MargaretBurmingham-qm5dx]

@alkrab764 Honestly all the actors were amazing, but Martha’s actress especially. She was excellent at portraying Martha as both pitiful and incredibly creepy. You hate her when you’re supposed to and sympathize with her when you’re supposed to. The character was very complex and it’s so annoying that fat activists are getting mad because a fat person is shown to be very flawed and not literally perfect

[@lordgarion514]

That's because you understand that it's due to mental illness. Not really her fault that she acted that way.

[@leigha.3098]

@@jeongbun2386that’s not what this is about

[@WitchStrength]

@@jeongbun2386that’s an extremely weird take since the point is about fat people making the wrong connections to things and trying to punish people for things like this, if you don’t like this channel then don’t watch it’s not that difficult ❤

[@anna8968]

What’s super interesting is I saw the interview by P. Morgan with the real Martha and her demeanor is so well portrayed by this actress haha. Even the witty comebacks. The real Martha says this story is made up but sheesh. I dunno man. The demeanor is uncanny, I can actually picture her lying about the story being untrue because she truly believes a different story in her own head. She was super confident and well spoken on P. Morgan’s show too!

[@ashh6297]

They changed something's like the charges but the story is a real story and the real Martha accused a solicitor and his wife of abusing their 5 year old son I think. But it's definitely an eerie show because of the reality of SA toward men and how men are less likely to come out to friends/family/authorities because of the feeling of shame

[@wwondertwin]

The real person is a fat woman, too.

[@allclassallthetime4739]

She IS funny and rather quick witted. Sad that brilliance can be born out of damage. In her case it maddened her.

[@AyshaAnaleise]

I knew someone who was like this. Lots of big lies and stories, stalked men and made up stories about them together. She had this mask of high confidence that really made me believe her lies, until I did my research and found out everything she told me was fake.

[@eleisatrujillo3398]

​@@AyshaAnaleise😂 sounds exactly like my MIL

[@Carbsaremylifeforce]

This show was a wild ride, but never once did I think because she’s a woman I was personally portrayed as a psycho, so why would it be that way because she’s fat? People just look for reasons to be upset.

[@kilssj2250]

AMEN! I'm a woman, and when I used to watch Back to the Future, I identified with Marty Mcfly! It's about who you identify as/with not which character YOU LOOK LIKE.

[@pabloguzman8472]

because she was fat because all her mental energy was put into being a psychopath. Forgetting about your body can also be a psychopathic thing

[@BeccaBuckLebowski]

@@kilssj2250 I always identified with Blondie from "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly", but I'm neither blonde, nor male, and I look surprisingly little like Clint Eastwood. 😄

[@TheSpiderInUrWalls]

There are plenty of thin psychos too. This is actually increasing diversity in representation, fat people can be psycho too, their size doesn’t limit their ability 😄

[@CROWFACED]

If it’s fictional, why is she suing? But damn, insane to see she’s the same pathological liar irl

[@zopiranha3871]

Could be defamation? But I'm not sure if they even mention her real name in the production or interwievs. It looked like they kept the stalker's real identity a secret and she was the one who sought out press and made her identity public... I'm not sure, but there are indeed some grounds for suing, even if she is a creep.

[@DiligentThroat]

@@zopiranha3871nope. With defamation you need to prove damages, like a loss of property or income. She’s just being found out and doesn’t like it.

[@blackharvest13]

@@zopiranha3871defamation means it’s lies it’s not defamation to tell people the truth about someone’s nasty actions

[@guilhermefaleiros4892]

​@@zopiranha3871 Mecha Streissand effect

[@ShunJ89]

Under parody law Netflix is protected. They didn’t directly make a claim either way. I would advise her to drop it because corporate lawyers are Great. They can turn this around and end up owning the rights to her name.

[@Yogachic1971]

*The opposite of success isn't failure; it is name-dropping.*

[@darlingnine8803]

True

[@clamh84]

One of my favourite quotes The difference between the expert and the beginner is that the expert has failed more times than the beginner has tried to succeed. It just shows how important failure is.

[@jameslongstaff2762]

Since I'm convinced she's the real Martha, we should leave her alone since attention can't be good for her

[@ultraboombean]

Too late but yeah that sucks. She will just feed on it

[@AzuraBlackHeart]

I caught the Pearce Morgan interview with the real woman last night and... well, let's just say that her demeanour in the interview gave real weight to the show (no pun intended 😅)

[@cousindexter]

Lol 😂

[@Alecexo]

Piers Morgan?

[@Sarmeilii]

Saw it too.. Let’s just say, it was definitely her, she did it

[@chelseashurmantine8153]

My twin brother had a stalker girl like this in high school, she literally stalked and harassed him so hard that he dropped out of high school and had to do online classes. She was fat, weird, and obsessed with anime and would say stuff in Japanese to him. Trauma.

[@vivienkoles1880]

As an animelover: I'm so sorry for him!

[@brainrich1358]

Everyone wants to go through their "villain era" until they are portrayed as a villain.

[@marisamorais3150]

What does that even mean 😂

[@jabrak1]

It was such a great show, and it being based on a true story is crazy. People found the real Martha and now she's doing interviews ans claiming she's going to sue Netflix. This woman should be getting help, not being platformed.

[@Potatoypotato]

It's sad to say but she's in her 50s and refuses to self reflect. It's unlikely that she will ever seek help because she doesn't think she's done anything wrong

[@Rose-yt5hi]

I feel like the fat activists who identify this much with Martha are the same as the men who identify way too much with the man in the “we choose the bear” debate. Like they take it waaaaay too personally for it not to be a red flag.

[@rmercedes971]

Yeap! This dude was like “How am I not going to feel bad when I’m being told I’m more dangerous than a wild animal”… I asked “show me the video where you were tagged and the creator called you dangerous BY NAME”.

[@whatteamwildcats4033]

The bear debate is so interesting for me because I remember reading a book as a child that described the 'world's most dangerous animals' and it was ranking them all from most to least dangerous up to including all the usual suspects like sharks, snakes, alligators, I think a hippo or rhino, and bears. Do you want to know what the most dangerous animal was? Humans. Humans kill more animals than animals kills us, we kill each other more than animals kill us. You can fight anouther human and maybe survive, a bear will definitely kill you. But that bear is not gonna mess with you unless you mess with it, people will come after you unprovoked. The bear is usually the safer choice, I said what I said

[@Tvoxxx]

Omdays yes this is so true!!!

[@Rose-yt5hi]

@@whatteamwildcats4033 OMG! Yes! I’m so confused why people are butthurt about the bear. “The most dangerous animal you’re most likely to encounter in the wild is another human being.” That’s a pretty common adage to anyone who spends time in the great outdoors. But for some reason, because it’s women saying it, suddenly it’s unreasonable and illogical. Lmao.

[@Rose-yt5hi]

@@whatteamwildcats4033 Also, it’s a fact that more people die by homicide in the woods than they do by any kind of animal attack, so statistical data absolutely backs up choosing the bear, regardless if you’re a woman or a man. But for some reason, since women are the ones being asked, we are being highly emotional and unreasonable. Like when did data and fact become illogical? Lmao.

[@Jeskers18]

I find it so interesting when people can only relate to others if they look EXACTLY like themselves. Like how shallow and self absorbed do you have to be to think that way?

[@m.p.9931]

right? i don't get it either xD

[@minirth.maggie]

"There's a fat actress who's supposed to be me" -- ma'am, are you confused about the concept of an actress? Or do you think you aren't fat? This lady is crazy!!!

[@lovabengtsson7218]

Jessica Gunning did an absolutely AMAZING portrayal of such a complex character, and that’s why she was chosen. She is simply an amazing actress: It’s not because of her weight, it’s her talent

[@peoplenoodlesoup]

lol. “I see a fat person and I’m like oh this is me!” There is your issue right there….if I felt like every skinny blonde in a movie was supposed to depict me, well shit, I would be very offended 90% of the time. Especially if we are watching an 80s movie. 😂

[@laurena9563]

Also, it's SO reductionist. Reasonable people don't enter films or media in bad faith, and if an antagonist looks slightly like them, they throw the whole production out with the bathwater. :') It's crazy.

[@dronesclubhighjinks]

11:25 "Every time I see a fat character .... I think this is about me." That is the "fat activist" mindset in a nutshell. Really, when the guy wrote the script, he decided all "fat women" are exactly like this one character? Do ppl who "look like" all the different men he works with feel "attacked" that they are shown to have a low paying, dead end job? Thanks for the video! ❤

[@Kate-n2310]

You know, I can’t imagine living my life like these FAs. It must be *exhausting* to spend all this time looking for anything to be offended by.

[@melsky]

I call people like this outrage seekers. Any situation has to be analyzed until they find something to be really upset about.

[@youresinningtoo3996]

I've never seen that abbreviation for fat activists before and my brain read it as fat asses before I put it together

[@magichandsdownes]

if can run their mouths…they can…

[@AstridDiaz-oe3ki]

I havent even watched the whole vid but to me is fhn crazy ppl pay attention to the actress's weight instead OF THE ACTUAL SA STORY like what...

[@Liltwilightprincess2]

What I think these people don't understand is that stalkers come in ALL SHAPES AND SIZES!!! If you look at a crazed stalker character and are like "She's just like me!" Maybe you have some therapist appointments to make

[@melchiorlise2466]

I read a critic written by a fat activist of this show and they emphasized that Gad IS attracted to Martha but : social stigma surrounding fatphobia blah blah blah and that's why he doesn't want to be with her. Implying that it's not possible to feel some kind of physical attraction towards someone you do not like, or even are mildly disgusted by

[@CMStrawbridge]

I would argue her poorly-executed compulsive lying is the real turn-off

[@Alecexo]

A critique?

[@melchiorlise2466]

@@Alecexo Ah so it's "critique", I'm french so sometimes I improvise when writing in English. Or maybe a better word would be "review" now that I think about it.

[@Alecexo]

@@melchiorlise2466 yeah English derives a lot of words from French, so some you don’t need to change. But that makes sense… and yeah, review does make more sense in this context but critique is also valid

[@koolcat6320]

​@@melchiorlise2466 a critic is someone critiquing the media. A critique is what the critic said about the media English is weird like that

[@juycedream]

These days no one can tell their story from their perspective without a law suit smh too many people are sensitive these days. plus not about how someone looks, its where persons mindset is, is their mind negative or positive in their daily life.

[@juycedream]

@@BonnieGruesome 🙏🏽💜👏🏽

[@kpoppy9635]

Except if the company that made the movie did a piss-poor job of concealing identities so people wouldn't harrass Martha or send her death threats. I think she's suing because Netflix and this comedian made bank off of her mental health and now she's being harassed for it. So now she wants compensation. Some of the story was also overexaggerated or fictionalized.

[@millie8907]

The fact that people have the audacity to make this about themselves, when the series is a REAL, PERSONAL, painful experience, just shows how narcissistic these people are

[@HavianEla]

Exactly.

[@Bonnatella]

It's NOT about you! Media doesn't need to represent who you are as a person in a realistic way. That's why even "reality TV" is always scripted. Another banger, Michelle! ✨✌️🎉💥

[@sr28774]

Recently I was nice to a guy in a bus stop that asked for bus information. It turned creppy... He already wanted to know everything about my life and if I was interested in dating an older guy (him). I was petrified... Never again Im giving information about bus!

[@BaDazai]

😭 This happened with a landscaper I was buying dirt from. He was coming to my house and calling me, telling me he loves me. He was old enough to be my grandfather. So weird, all I did was make friendly small talk when they delivered the dirt. 😢

[@brilli6005]

Same happened to me, I gave direction to a place they asked me and after that he started following me asking for my name if I was in school etc. I was trying to be polite and telling him I an not interested in conversation and I was late to catch my bus. I ran to catch it and when i set down I sow how he followed me running and got in the bus with me. It was a very scary experience.

[@alittleaboutme]

Women should never put their safety at risk to protect someone else feelings! Please always remember that

[@littlemonster2483]

I binged watched Baby Reindeer in almost 2 days!!! Baby Reindeer I found to be incredibly interesting and it was nice watching something true that happened to a guy. We always get shown female victims that it was a great to see a male victim for once. As for that woman, she literally sounds exactly like Martha!!! 😂 She should have stayed out of the spotlight especially since once something is put out on the internet, it's there for good. But ironically enough like Martha, she couldn't resist. 😂 The actress that played Martha does deserve an award as she played the part perfectly!!!

[@Beautyedit01]

I was like lemme see the hype, to one more episode, to oh my God I can’t stop watching, till I binged everything in a whole day. It was so good 😊

[@kpoppy9635]

She "couldn't resist" because people found out who she is anyway. They tracked her down and harassed her, even sent her death threats. So as a rebuttal she went on an interview in an attempt to do damage control. Some of what happened in the show is exaggerated and Martha also never went to jail, and she also got court-mandated mental health treatment. Maybe if people had actually followed the message of the show and not stalked the stalker, she never would have come into the spotlight. And I believe BBC criticized Netflix for not doing a better job at concealing identities.

[@littlemonster2483]

​​​@@kpoppy9635 I'm sorry but I have zero sympathy. If it was a male stalker and his identity was revealed then no one would care!!! People only care because it's a woman and that's wrong. You reverse the genders and people wouldn't criticize anything!!! It's disgusting how male victims are treated!!! Richard Gadd said that there was some things that were added to it but overall the stalking, SA accusations etc are true. He also said that he only put that Martha went to jail for the watchers to have a conclusion and that he wasn't trying to make a documentary. Richard Gadd also put out there to leave his real life stalker alone!!! You can't expect him to control the way people are nowadays!!! People are going to go looking regardless whether it's right or wrong!!! They do for everything nowadays!!! And I think that is wrong!!!

[@kpoppy9635]

@littlemonster2483 well a lot of times male stalkers do a lot more than stalking...that stalking turns into breaking and entering, abduction, rape even murder...those are the male stalkers I hear about anyway. I'm just pointing out that the public are hypocrites. People call her attention-seeking all the while they tracked her social media down and gave her all this attention...

[@littlemonster2483]

@@kpoppy9635 True but women can easily just buy a gun, tazer, bear spray or have a knife and attack a guy so both are dangerous!!! With a man it's easy to expect physical harm but it's easier for a woman to hide whether she would as people don't expect women to get physical. I think it's because that's all we here about men who stalk doing is that as it gets to that point as from what I've heard no one is taken seriously at first with stalking which I find repulsive!!! That is true in regards to the public being hypocritical that way but she didn't have to engage or start doing interviews. She could have blocked them on Social Media, temporary deleted her Social Media or just took a break from it. To be honest we don't even know how honest she's being with her saying people sent her death threats, harassed her etc since she is a compulsive liar. I'm not saying it's not possible or that she's 100% lying about that as I can see it sadly as people can vicious and do it all the time to people online who they think are bad and deserve it but she makes herself less credible by lying on tv.

[@Iflie]

It's hillarious how she's exactly how she was portrayed.

[@TUPRBABE]

Them: "Hollywood needs to quit portraying fat people as funny sidekicks or villains. We're just people. We have the same problems as everybody else!" Netflix: < makes "true" story, where a fat person is only a "villain" because she has mental issues, since "Martha's" weight wasn't important > Them: "NOT LIKE THAT!!!"

[@KiKi-tf8rv]

Exactly!😂 This story would have been exactly the same if the villain was thin. It was not the focus of the story in any way.

[@locojazzhands]

Wow. That was disturbing. I've never heard about the show until now, but the real Msrtha seems a whole lot scarier than the lovely actress playing her

[@lumi-df1no]

11:24 yeah noo those women are really out there saying that the man experience with a stalker is insulting to a fat ppl ??? Hello, u are you serious?!!

[@Michellemcd543]

Right!!!??? I want to go deeper into that but wasn’t expecting the real Martha to come out so soon!!! If you read the comments though on some fat acceptance comments are it’s extremely hypocritical, insensitive and selfish of them to make themselves the victim!

[@barrelracertrix]

“Remember not to stalk people” 😂😂😂 Thank you for that reminder. Now I need a new plan for this weekend 🤪

[@thesamiminnellihour9685]

“I see a fat person and im like oh this is me!!!!” I’m 4’10”, yet somehow i feel like i can’t relate to the Munchkins. Especially the Lollipop Guild and Lullaby League.

[@buckingmachine]

is it too extreme to imagine some fat activists could end up like this? y'know, all the "date fat people or you're fatphobic" people

[@MargaretBurmingham-qm5dx]

@loverfighterwildbullrider i don’t think so… m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/hajcg5h-pZl-ick

[@no-uhuh]

That is such a cute top! Also how embarrassing, cant afford tea then a minute later, shes a practicing lawyer??

[@snacks9294]

My work revolves around online news platforms and some of our clients in UK journos have requested that her name be kept anonymous in any comments ( due to her asking to remain anonymous ) despite her being out in the open doing interviews. Basically the issue of her wanting to be able to say her side but not wanting others to say anything about her, which I feel says a lot about her character here.

[@HavianEla]

It really does.

[@kpoppy9635]

Well also because people found out who she was before she went on to be interviewed. Oh and she's mentally ill.

[@PretentiousNitwit]

I feel bad for her in the loosest sense of the word. She’s in the maximum stages of delusional narcissism and has fully bought into her own reality. People like this reject how the world works and think if they just SAY things and get people who don’t know better/don’t care enough to check to believe them… that it’s true. Fiona reminds me of the man who stalked me for four years. He would follow me obsessively from multiple accounts, post songs singing about me, and when that didn’t work he would find acquaintances or friends of mine and try to tell them how awful I was… all while telling people he was an incredibly famous influencer and that he was going to have a Netflix show made about him very soon. It’s been five years. He’s blocked. Still no Netflix show.

[@ruthie_rosario]

And she’s an attorney?! She should be the first person to know that silence is invaluable!

[@sansequanimity5998]

This show is relatable because I can't tell you how many times I've done something nice only to end up socially cornered by an absolute nut job. Important life advice: Yes, people can be cruel and bullying is wrong, but sometimes people avoid that one weird person for a good reason. So be careful. You might make one of the best friends you've ever had or you might end up captive audience to a neverending story about all the things they put up their butt this week. And you're never gonna know which one it'll be until it's too late. Good luck.

[@catherineblair550]

Thank you for actively encouraging people to be kinder to each other. It is posters like you that make the world a better place for all.

[@oliviastratton2169]

True. Sometimes, you've got to trust your gut. Even if it seems "rude".

[@Qrtuop]

Yeah I'm just rude to men as a rule. I've had too many weirdos turning into stalkers for just one lifetime, thanks.

[@NaviFae]

Lol omg the first scene of the guy at the comedy club gave me flash backs to the cringe deaf nodles comedy club 😂

[@kismetcaffet9862]

I legitimately thought that his punchline was that someone was trying to do dry-Brit-humour as stand-up instead of situational comedy.

[@ladycrystalr-u.s.a]

I had a friend in junior high like this. I was so confused and sad for her. She was my best friend and I didn't know why she felt that she couldn't be honest with me. Why she had to put on airs. I aready thought she was awesome, she didn't have to talk herself up. Eventually I lost touch with her.

[@maef7026]

This reminded me of the girl from Colombia who claimed that she was working for Studio Ghibli and she was even in the news where they talked about her working there, and it turned out that she was just lying all along.

[@solaris5922]

The crazy thing is that her weight had literally nothing to do with the storyline. It’s just the body type of the woman that stalked him. She was just a crazy old lady and that’s what the movie focused on.

[@tymiller9714]

I've known people like her before. No matter what you tell, show, prove, explain to them anything, their brain just can't process reality. I'm telling you SHE BELIEVES 90% of what shes saying.

[@catherineblair550]

But yet somehow she's narcissistic and not schizophrenic?

[@oblivionfiend2037]

A little thing to add that might be funny is that the actress playing Martha was in an episode of Doctor Who called Partners in Crime which is all about an alien diet pill that turns fat into alien babies that are made out of the fat (she plays Stacey, the woman who accidentally gets fully dissolved into Adipose). The alien responsible actually sought out Earth specifically for its obesity levels. I imagine FAs have some things to say about that episode

[@misswittank9224]

I re-watched that episode a few weeks ago and thought that it probably wouldn't get made these days. I loved the little Adipose creatures and I am sure that is how Ozempic works. 😂

[@rounz1]

That's where I know her from! I knew she was familiar. Thanks😄

[@legsnhipsnbawdy]

Ah, I was trying to figure out where I had seen her before. At this point, I should assume everyone has been on doctor who 😂

[@herenaakuma85]

Marthas behaviour reminds me of Stephens King "Misery". That nurse was also sweet until she got annoyed in any way and snapped into violence. It was even more terrifying there as that woman was a baby killer but unstable stalkers are also horribly disturbing

[@zaybug]

i cant even imagine how retraumatizing this whole situation has to be for donny

[@werekat1367]

REALLY?!!! That was their takeaway?!!! Not "stalking is wrong"

[@kpoppy9635]

That's what I'm saying...everyone seems to have missed the point of the show!

[@POVgames]

I’ve never heard of this show before but I’m an average looking guy, average height, job, physique, ect. I can relate to Donny 100%. I feel really bad about saying no to strangers or hurting their feelings but I’m also not trying to lead anyone on. The only women who have ever been obsessed with me, want to see me, date me, hang out, be creepy, overly sexual and not understand boundaries have been obese women that I don’t mind talking to as friends but have never liked their personality or found them attractive. This is perfect representation in my experience 😂

[@ruka939]

Sounds sad and a bit depressing 😢

[@margodphd]

Chronic people pleasers unite 😂

[@Uneclipsed]

Be careful if you end up watching the show (if you haven't already) because there's way more to it than that. There are parts that are incredibly hard to watch.

[@CMinorOp67]

7:10: THIS is who should play Annie Wilkes, if they remake “Misery”. (And, they should…to follow the book more. Because the 90’s movie came across like a freaking comedy in comparison.)

[@JayMich29]

Agreed! She would kill that role!

[@twyla17]

I thought the same thing the moment I started watching baby reindeer

[@Emilaria]

Kathy Bates was freaking amazing as Annie.

[@mtn.thegathering]

I loved the show. I don't recall him ever commenting on her weight, just her age. I feel like, given the circumstances, he actually handled her with a lot of grace.

[@vaning_ning]

I *cannot* believe people made this show about THEM! Wtf. How sad it was and they still thought of themselves.

[@freedomgardener1854]

Atleast here in the US it’s very difficult to actually charge someone for stalking. I had someone locally accusing me of stalking her so I went to the cops because that’s potentially damaging slander. You need substantial evidence to even file a claim in regards to it

[@elysemulheron7470]

How is it a good thing it's insanely difficult to charge someone with stalking? This show only drew attention to the fact that regardless of whether you do or do not have evidence that a person is repeatedly contacting you or showing up where you live and work that you are unlikely to have your complaint taken seriously. The amount of times these cases result in something far more sinister than this man suffered should mean it is scary when an I country does not take these claims seriously.

[@OBCDeeznutz]

It's so wild how Martha reminded so many people of Foodie Beauty (Flobby Bobby), only for Chantal to come out and say he (Gadd) led the Martha character on. Like it was HIS fault HE was stalked. THEN irl Martha (can't remember name) says HE was obsessed with HER and she only sent him one letter but also didn't know where he lived and...whew! 🍿

[@TisHotMessHistory]

Michelle's friend was PROBABLY lying about knowing Beyonce, but all these years later, the thought of Jay-Z texting a 14 year old makes sense.

[@all_my90]

If it’s based on a true story, how can the community feel they’re being portrayed poorly?? How does one person’s action represent an entire community..nvm this is America

[@miizmurrderr]

The actress literally nailed it so hard omg 😂😂😂

[@HFXmermaid]

Fiona is already proving she's exactly the character, with all this lying and trying to gaslight the situations

[@meamme8]

I've watched soo many phycologist break down Fiona's reactions and mannerisms while being interviewed on the subject of "baby reindeer" they all conclude that she's lying in most cases if not trying to minimize what she did and invalidate a lot of Gadd's experience.

[@Kelli999]

Thank goodness you're here! I was only asking someone half an hr ago ": What's all of this Baby Reindeer stuff" Great now I can get to the bottom of this. 🤗

[@camillealexandra3605]

I just had a co worker like this quit..it was so scary how delusional she was we were all scared to talk to her bc we didn’t know if she’d twist our words

[@lennablake544]

Am I the only that wanted to yell "ohhh brother! This guy stinks!!" When he was on the stage bombing

[@moriah1202]

I read this in the spongebob fish voice

[@whowhat.wherewhen]

I couldn't watch this show. Having a stalker is scary, especially when when the target isn't believed and or the people in our lives tell us to consider it a compliment( as a tiny-frame-female it's definitely not a compliment and must be taken seriously) My heart goes out to this guy and I hope he is okay....😢

[@nerdygirljen]

The woman who played Martha was outstanding - she sold the hell out of that role. 💯

[@SusanaXpeace2u]

Saw her on Piers the other day. Wow. If we had any doubts about Richard Gadd's version of events, she ended that small space for reasonable doubt.

[@middleofnowhere1313]

As a woman who has been stalked more than once and was never able to identify the mystery harassers.... *shiver*!

[@emmadear3276]

Baby reindeer was brilliant I've never seen a show quite like it, the fact that it's the actors real lived experience. And the conversation of men being abused is really important that's coming out of the show. I have a lot of compassion for Martha and Donny, they both have mental health struggles and hopefully they can find a happy way forward in life

[@bunn228]

Golden comment. I hope so too.

[@roku3216]

"Never be nice to anyone" made me laugh- this has been my experience a number of times, when I just be nice to someone and next thing I know the creep factor blooms like one of those giant stink-flowers in the botanical museum- you know the one that smells like rotten meat and is 3 feet across!

[@maryamdear2122]

Imagine making a series about stalking (a CRIME!) and sexual assault (a CRIME) about them

[@trentenmerrill5239]

Lol this movie plays on people's worst fears and the absolute worst case scenario... It's like "misery" but even more ridiculous because the person is not an established public figure.

[@AnonPanOn]

This show was so amazing. I love the honesty about mental health struggles and life struggles, I love that male victims get visibility and a voice and also just how HARD it is for anyone to get protection from aggressive stalkers unless the worst happens.

[@Londie9173]

Be careful with being nice to strangers sometimes they take it the wrong way, then u gotta deal with this, i had to quit my job once bcz of the stalking if i had just been an ssa hole i would have avoided that situation

[@catherineblair550]

You mean to male strangers when you are a woman.

[@impposter560]

If being seen as a creepy stalker is one your top fears, then maybe you need to reevaluate some things 😅

[@beverlyhills8988]

Right? 🤣 why on earth would that be a concern to you unless you're attracting that kind of judgement?

[@juliasmith960]

The actress who played Martha was really good. Like Kathy Bates in Misery level of good!

[@brookiebarreto3633]

Could you imagine if when the series You came out every one started saying how dare you cast a generic heterosexual white guy with brown hair as a psychopathic murderer!

[@lesleymay6757]

Justvin time for my chores!! Thank you Michelle ❤

[@itsbea3859]

Your comment was what I needed to see! Need to get my chores done hahaha

[@Kelli999]

I'm going to bed, I've done my chores for today. 😁

[@dippedinbutterprogram1132]

Wow, the REAL baby reindeer could play Amber Lynn in her biopic

[@erikas.6790]

So, he basically just changed her name, good job

[@MimiRAM0NE]

Doesn't need to do more. It's meant to be a true story.

[@AphiliaxMikado]

Glad you covered it. Cant watch it myself because i had a similar experience with a "stalker". But i wanted to know why it was so good, now i know it is like reality. Thx :*

[@h.3llh0und]

I also saw a women commenting on this series saying they were villainizing women and ignoring male perpetrators 🤦🏻‍♀️ People are just mad at anything - 😭

[@Z-ef1rr]

They even touched on that in the show. Donnie was ashamed to turn her in when he didn’t have the guts to turn in that dude. That was so REAL.

[@invisibleman4827]

Time for us to stop pretending that women don't stalk/assault/abuse men. Having gone through the same experience it's pretty tiring and exhausting to get shut down or disregarded all the time because you're male and your abuser is female.

[@Tacobellcramps]

Agreed. I wasn’t stalked, but SA’d. The worst part is, the only people who took me seriously and showed me any empathy were women, while other men mocked me. It’s so isolating.

[@invisibleman4827]

@toaster1037 it is. I'm sorry you went through that,and to get sneered at is just adding insult to injury. It says more about them than it does about you - probably their own ignorance. You're not alone. Be proud you had the strength to talk about it. Personally, I've experienced both. Liberal minded men are often more empathetic while more ideological conservatives aren't, and while most women I found empathetic too, the ideological ones such as looney feminist hardliners were way more dismissive and even downright hostile ime.

[@sinovuyobudaza7167]

"It wasn't numerous. It was 18"😂 Girl 😂What?!!!😂

[@rangerchief8004]

Crazy/bad people come in all shapes and sizes. It amazes me that male victims are not taken seriously but a woman lies, and proven a lie, she still a victim.

[@oversol5469]

If learned anything today it's that people have way to much time on their hands. From a bit of hate from the fats to calling out a random woman as the blueprint for character and a lawsuit from said woman

[@janebovary3560]

Moral of the story: don't be friendly or too friendly with strangers (especially as a woman/girl).

[@jamiemelquist8733]

The Piers Morgan interview is wild

[@crisscrossappsauce105]

If anything this should be of a reminder that narcissists and manipulative people can come in all sizes, be it big or small. Regardless of such, nobody ever deserves to be manipulated and abused. Heck, this could be pointed out to with the second person to manipulate Richard. They had a position of power and were also male and yet were in average shape and were much older. Nobody deserves to be abused and manipulated regardless of whether the offender would be big or small, old or young, male or female, etc.

[@Resistless]

I had just looked to see if you had a new video and there it was a minute later ♥

[@shauhame6364]

It's so sad that his experience as a SA victim is overshadowed by this stupid drama...

[@CurlyKatCrew]

omgosh the interview with Piers Morgan does not help her case at alllll😂😂😂😂 she sounds exactly like the "fictional Martha"

[@Kaylz29]

I’m fat. I literally didn’t even think about it. People need more to think about; they’re not busy enough.