Mormon Masonic Temple Rituals (pre-1990)

Here's a great video about pre-1990 mormon cult temple rituals.

[@AdamHMortimer]

I was a missionary. I went though the temple in 2000. Having an old man touch you on your naked body only wearing a sheet was creepy and disturbing. Also, confessing things of a sexual nature as a minor to an adult is just wrong! As a father I would never but my sons or daughters through this abuse!

[@lemormon748]

I'd be really surprised to see that that's what someone was doing back then but I literally work in the Temple and do these ordinances and I literally just put my hands on their head and that's it lol and Joseph Smith would lay his hands on the head and nowhere else

[@benjamingreer1660]

​@lemormon748 I can't stand Mormons I worked witha bunch of them and half of them have no soul. They were nepotistic af and not right in the head. What kind of grown adult listens to the lyrics from frozen on repeat in a warehouse packaging facility for 8 hours a day?🔥🪜🔥

[@thelastgoonie6555]

Oh, @@lemormon748 ...if you only knew how they have hidden the old signs in today's watered down masonic rituals. Good thing you don't know how it started.

[@tyronesmith9678]

Good on you man for taking a stand!!

[@DonnaChamberson]

I’m not sure if anyone else went through this, but I had my privates rubbed with an anointing oil and my breasts touched and examined for impurities. I had to put on a white hospital gown before doing this. It was very traumatic for me and I don’t disclose it often to others.

[@Amhlair]

I love your spin. Some of the creepier parts of the temple ceremony have been removed (again) but it's still very disturbing. If you're LDS you know how many people were freaked out the first time they went through the temple, pre- or post-1990. One of my college roommates almost didn't report for his mission after going through the temple with his parents. They had to beg him to report to the MTC. There is plenty of creepiness left and it isn't of God and you know it.

[@harshitgarg419]

God is of it, we have been conditioned to distrust strangers but the brothers and sisters of this church aren't strangers. they are known and a source of safety. I understand being freaked out is natural but when you breathe and think and trust in all things, it gets better and you realize how valuable the ordinances are.

[@danrhinehart1134]

Please tell me you don't take this silly nonsense seriously 🤪

[@michaelparks5669]

@@danrhinehart1134 TELL ME WHEN THE NAZIS SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT JEWISH RITES AND KILLED 6 MILLION OF THEM WILL YOU SUPPORT THE NEO NAZIS AND KILL MORMONS?

[@michaelparks5669]

@@danrhinehart1134 TELL ME WHY YOU DELETE MY POSTS.

[@fubecabr]

Yes, I was raised mormon. I went on a mission and am a BYU graduate. What got me on the path towards leaving mormonism was the things I learned at BYU like evolution, geology, anthropology, and biology and how much it contradicted mormonism. I also was very troubled that LDS Inc was building the most expensive mall in the history of mankind while I was busting my ass while they expected 10% of my meager wages. The nail in the coffin was the mess of the Book of Abraham.

[@yeboscrebo4451]

You sound very impressionable

[@thelastgoonie6555]

The verifiably fraudulent Book of Abraham translation was the last straw for me as well.

[@SteveSmith-os5bs]

Ya, all that was the last straw for me too.

[@JohnnyWalkerBlack142]

Jesus is lord. Joseph Smith is not!

[@inhocsignovinces1081]

Yes, the Lost Book of Abraham. Joseph Smith, with no academic qualifications to translate ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics, cooked up a translation that had nothing to do with Abraham. The papyrus he purchased was just a pagan Egyptian burial ritual.

[@markgomm]

Having last attended the temple in 1997 (following 12 years as a temple worker), and having seen the 1990 changes take place, I find it fascinating that this "perfect" ceremony has been changed AGAIN.

[@thelastgoonie6555]

Perfect and "Eternal" lol

[@dalebachman2892]

It just goes to prove that in the LDS church It’s Marketing- not Faith… That proceeds the Miracle!

[@caleblaymusic6143]

Hello from 2023. It changed again. And again. And again.

[@David-oq6vi]

@@caleblaymusic6143 can you please tell me what things have changed recently, I'm trying to understand more about the temple doings

[@kuromyou7969]

The horror movie music made me laugh.

[@Richie_roo]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@charlesmendeley9823]

Do they actually play that music in the temple? Would be awesome. 🎶🧟

[@firstbaldwin]

make sure that this NEVER gets pulled down if you can. so grateful to have this as a resource!!!!

[@fubecabr]

Yeah, I'm really scared of zombie space gods from kolob made up from the imagination of a 19th century convicted con man, pedophile, and proven fraud.

[@firstbaldwin]

You should be scared! Religious Whacko's have made formal threats to cut people's throats. See Brenda Wright Lafferty.

[@lumendes5672]

Perfeito penso igual.

[@Artycloughiii]

As a former LDS member I can tell you that the temple ceremony was creepy and disturbing and one of the low points of being a member. There is a weird anointing ceremony where they reach through a poncho and put oil on you. Over time they have toned it down, most substantially in 1990 when they removed the death penalties.

[@jrocc3285]

Where did they put the oil?

[@Artycloughiii]

@@jrocc3285 the chest, on the sides, the belly, over the groin.

[@David-oq6vi]

what were the death penalties for? were they perform in the temple?

[@Artycloughiii]

@@David-oq6vi We would pretend to have our throats slit while promising that we would keep the handgrips and other parts of the ceremony secret, lest our lives be taken.

[@David-oq6vi]

@@Artycloughiii is there any photos or videos of it, so it was just acting as if you just cut your throat 😢, what about the annointing ceremony, did they use to put oil on naked bodies?

[@godluvsmormons]

The most amazing and ironic thing about all the temple ritual stuff is that nowhere in any scriptures or historical writings are any of these rituals described, and nowhere do we see that Christians built or worshiped in temples, other than perhaps a few going into the temple of Solomon, just as a habit.

[@Icanonlyimagn7891]

Actually, people with eyes to see find the temple ritual through out the entire Old and New Testament, as well as The Book of Mormon. In fact the whole of the records are the temple ritual To a T. People who fill their hearts and minds with lies, hate and falsehoods cannot see these glorious symbolisms and that’s just because the Lord is kind. But, the temple ritual, symbols and signs are throughout the entire ancient and modern accounts. And it is wonderful to see. ☀️❤️

[@fbbez]

K - I am an ex-Mormon atheist who has been through the temple ceremonies somewhere between 50 and 100 times while a believer (though I only experienced the version after they took out the death penalties in 1990, what I experienced was very similar to what you see in this video - which, it should be noted, is incomplete). So, I think I'm owed some credibility in the minds of non-Mormon's when I tell you that this video is misrepresenting the ceremony. Not in the words and actions it portrays - those are pretty accurate - but in the way it imposes a particular impression of them, through the choice of creepy background music, and the wording used to describe what is going on, such as when they use terms such as " _cultic_ ceremonies", and when it says that "It's not uncommon for _demons_ impersonating the dead to appear to Mormons stating that they've been converted to the Mormon Church in the spirit world, and now want their family history traced". First - Mormons are not specially encouraged to have encounters with the dead, and the experiences of this kind that they report are neither more common nor essentially different than those reported by christians, muslims, hindus, etc of all stripes. Second - this video seems to be alluding to the common christian complaint that Mormons are baptizing their ancestors against their will. This is a misconception of what Mormon's believe they are doing. When I was a missionary I explained it using the analogy of a contract - Mormon's believe that baptism is like a contract between the believer and God that the believer must sign both by the act of being baptized - which is a physical manifestation of the agreement that can be likened to paperwork - and the intentions of their mind and heart, which can be likened unto their signature. When one is baptized for the dead, one acts as proxy for the dead individual, filling out the paperwork that they cannot do for themselves (since they no longer have a body), but for it to have effect the person, yes - in the spirit world - must agree in heart and mind to accept the baptism that was conducted on their behalf. The short of it is that, according to the Mormon belief, no one is forced to accept the baptism that is done for them in the temple, nor are they in any other way forced to be a Mormon after they die. Third - What it's like to go through the temple as a believer is generally very different than what it's like to view the ceremonies as an outsider. As a believer, going through the temple ceremonies can be a highly spiritual experience through which one comes to feel much closer to God, greater appreciation for Jesus, and an increased desire to be the best kind of person one can be. Often, people who are struggling with some real difficulties in life go to the temple and there find peace and inspiration for how to deal with their problems, leading them to give up habits and perspectives that are holding them back, such as by forgiving someone who hurt them, or by making amends for something they have done wrong against another. In the temple, believers often receive the inspiration they need to save their marriage, to choose a career that will turn out to be wildly fulfilling, or to make peace with the loss of a loved one, for example. Too often, people view the words, actions, and experiences of other people through the lens of their own life experience rather than by trying on the shoes of that other person. This is a mistake that the producers of this video made and are trying to get you to make. That said - it is true that not all Mormons are truly comfortable with the temple ceremonies, which seems to be the primary reason that they have been changed from time to time. In fact, I think it is probably true that even most members who genuinely love going to the temple have felt some discomfort with the temple ceremonies. The clothes and ritualistic nature of the ceremonies is very different than what one encounters in a Mormon Sunday service, and one gets essentially no forewarning of what will happen when they go to the temple for the first time. Even without the death penalties (which I hadn't even heard of until I was a missionary, and then only learned of it through someone I was teaching), I found it to be an eyebrow raising experience when I first went through. At one point I whispered to my brother, half joking, half serious - "well, now I know why people call us a cult!". Ultimately, I wasn't too bothered because I trusted in the character, judgement, and intentions of the people around me, and I went on to have some truly wonderful experiences in the Temple. But, the clothing and the supposedly deep symbolism was always obscure and unenlightening to me (no matter how hard I tried to see it otherwise) and more importantly - some of the commentary and oaths troubled me. Especially the sexism that was latent in many parts of the ceremony (they've just made changes, effective this month (jan 2019) to address this problem) and when we are lead to "consecrate" all our time, talents, money, etc to the church (should the church call on us to do so). The requirement to not reveal the "signs and tokens of the priesthood", also felt off to me, as did the general insistence on keeping it all "sacred"/secret.

[@tinman3586]

As a former believing Mormon who also served a mission (but did not attend BYU) I can confirm this is true. The aforementioned sexism in the ceremony primarily comes from the part where the man will covenant (or promise/swear an oath) to God and obey His commandments and the woman will then covenant to obey her husband as he obey's God. I understood this to mean that the husband/father was the spiritual leader of his household, but also that he is the one accountable for this family therefore making him the "patriarch". Now prior to say the 1980s few people would have really bat an eye at this however it does not mesh well with the current social atmosphere in developed western nations. Whether you believe changing this ceremony was right or wrong it is undeniable that this part of the Temple ceremony was recently changed to accommodate current social trends. For me this is what kicked off my questioning of the church and it's claims of divinity and down the rabbit hole I went. With that being said, most modern Christian Evangelicals are just as much cultists as they claim Mormons to be, if not more so.

[@AaronNickolas7]

Uninformed consent. NO ONE tells you or prepares you for having to be completely naked under a sheet while a complete stranger touches your naked body! You’re just expected to “have faith” in the process.

[@laracroftismyhomegirl]

Exactly.

[@stepbro4978]

No sane Freemason would approve of the use of Masonic ceremony or borrowed gestures outside of a legitimate lodge.This seems like a pathetic attempt to tie the two organizations together.

[@DavyCrocketUSA]

Exmo here, having been to the temple MANY times between 1979 and 1988, I can state with personal knowledge that this is very representative of what the ceremony use to be like. Perfect-no but damn close. Even when I was active in the church, the concerted effort of church leaders to whitewash, deny or simply ignore church history was always repugnant to me. If you are Mormon examine church history and previous claims critically if you still believe great, but don't live in ignorance.

[@harshitgarg419]

are you a democrat by chance? look at there history, why don't you apply the same standard there? Sorry you left but church history is damn near perfect, we were persecuted and you have the gall to say it is repugnant?? Looking forward and appreciating the lords effort in guiding the church isn't ignorance.

[@fubecabr]

Yes, when leaving mormonism the most committed members have the most difficult time dealing with it. It left a big hole in my life. It was a big part of my personality and social life. I didn't know who I was anymore. 6 years later, I'm STILL trying to figure it out. What prompted me to start looking into my various doubts was the Mall of Mammon. What sealed the deal was stumbling across the issues of the Book of Abraham. I don't know what could be more clear than the fraud the of the BoA.

[@harshitgarg419]

REPEAT IN CASE YOU MISSED THIS BEFORE: thank you for your service, sorry to hear this. Science and Religion are at harmony, its that we must trust and continue to think in ways that scripture might serve as a metaphor for those scientific discovery's. Evolution has its own problems, humans have been on the earth for more than 2 thousand years yet no evolution has happened in the slightest. I also want to you know that that mall served as a return on members tithing. the Church made 10% more than 10% so they can build temples across the world near to members and provide the convenience needed. book of abraham was divinely translated and unfortunately the papyri got burned and is documented by many historians (church and not church) and so the translations might not add up. I read it as good to have given this circumstance and neither me nor the church accept it as scripture.

[@daboss5725]

It was wrong of you to up-load this video to KZbin. This is considered very sacred in the LDS religion, and it is not spoken about outside of the temple. There is a reason why this is sacred, and there is no reason why something so sacred should be put on the internet for all to see.

[@fubecabr]

Cults are like a rotting onion. They have the most benign, cheerful, and helpful elements on the outside and have an evil rotting inner core.

[@fubecabr]

Oh, and I didn't learn this from the movie. I am endowed. I've been through the endowment for the dead dozens of times. I am a BYU graduate, returned missionary, and former Elder's Quorum President. When you do the silly underwear ritual (initiatory), you'll see that it's performed by other women. When you do the silly masonic dressup game with magical handshakes (endowment) soon, you'll see that I'm right about the apron too.

[@fubecabr]

@democat73 Who said a camera crew went anywhere? Did you miss the first part of the video where it said it was a re-enactment?

[@fubecabr]

Actually the Book of Moron can be quite expensive. It can cost you 10%+ of your pre-tax income and half of every weekend.

[@Shnozzletov]

Alright, I'm Mormon. And all I want to say is that even if this video are true (which it probably isn't), what's it to you? Why persecute us when we haven't done anything to you? How about we live and let live? Even if it WAS true, it's obvious that it's changed if anything, due to the large amount of LDS people commenting saying this is inaccurate. So if it doesn't happen anymore (if it did happen before), what's the point of harassing us so? THAT'S what doesn't make sense to me.

[@charlesmendeley9823]

It's 100% true, representing the ceremony before 1990. Then the president decided to change these eternal ordinances, because people found them creepy.

[@fubecabr]

I was endowed, served a mission, and graduated from YBU. I know quite a bit about LDS Inc. LDS Inc is quite possibly the world's most easily disproved cult or religion. If Native Americans aren't Semitic, LDS Inc is a fraud. If Adam and Eve are a myth, LDS Inc is a fraud. If the Earth is older than 6000 years old, LDS Inc is a fraud If Noah's flood is a myth, LDS Inc is a fraud. If evolution is a fact, LDS Inc is a fraud. ...

[@nickkraitor6560]

YBU?

[@h_nt_r]

lol I agree that the LDS church is full of shit, but all the things you listed here disprove Judeo-Christian religion in general not just them

[@williamexmormon3792]

BS religion if you ask me

[@fubecabr]

Really? Ecclesiastes 9:7 instructs, “Drink your wine with a merry heart.” Psalm 104:14-15 states that God gives wine “that makes glad the heart of men.” Amos 9:14 discusses drinking wine from your own vineyard as a sign of God’s blessing. Isaiah 55:1 encourages, “Yes, come buy wine and milk…” While the bible discourages drunkenness (alcoholism), it clearly states that there's nothing wrong with moderate consumption and even encourages it.

[@whoisgod8935]

Please read the bible. Repent of your sins and trust in Jesus Christ. He died in our place. The wages of sin is death and Jesus payed the fine. It is finished. He said on the cross. He has payed in full. But it´s not automatically that you are saved. you have to accept him as your saviour. Give your live to him in a prayer. Invite him to come into your heart. Jesus Christ is for real!! After a serious prayer with true repentance of your sins, he will come in form of the holy spirit to dwell in you. Theat s called to be born again. Please read John chapter 1 and 3. Thats to be born again. It´s absolutely true. And then follow what he sais in the bible. May God bless you.

[@joebideb]

I find mormon temples to be idolatry. God dwells in your heart , you don't need a damn temple. How dare you.

[@rohag735]

Younger Mormons will say they have never done or heard of these rituals, which I believe. Older Mormons will certainly remember doing and knowing about these rituals.

[@fubecabr]

I know several mormons and ex-mormons with first hand accounts. I also have an audio recording of the pre-1990 endowment that has most of the same actors in it as the post-1990 endowment. I am a former mormon who went through the temple dozens of times from 2000 to 2005 and I recognize the actors in the audio. The AP reported on the changes in 1990 and Hinckley warned about talking about the changes in the temple in the Apr. 1990 GC. I like your circular reasoning in appealing to Jebus.

[@seph4667]

Mark Hoffmann proved the Brethren are inspired of God at all times, so trust their words, completely.

[@nhz671]

True Christians will watch these and understand the symbolic significance regardless of this ridiculous editorializing

[@fubecabr]

I really sympathize with you. It seems like yesterday that I was 18 and prepping for my mission. It was one of the biggest mistakes of my life. I wish someone had set me straight and told me how much a fraud that LDS Inc was. Then I wouldn't have wasted my time in Brazil, almost getting killed, for the lies of a greedy corporation. I should have been in college learning new things, experiencing new things like getting drunk, getting laid, and maybe smoking a few bongs.

[@yeboscrebo4451]

You sound really smart

[@MyLifeInTheDesert]

Look I’m no LDS member but this response is ridiculous. Doing drugs and getting laid ? No, that’s not your focus in college This response takes away from the video and it’s power

[@fubecabr]

@@MyLifeInTheDesert There's a time and a place for everything and it's called college. Cannabis is medicine.

[@fubecabr]

The blood oaths were removed in 1990. What you're referring to in the 1920s, 1927 to be exact, was the elimination of the oath of vengeance for the murder of Horny Joe and his brother, Hyrum Smith. It was also made less graphic. However, the blood oaths were not removed completely until 1990. I'll send you a private message with the content between the pre-1927 version and the 1927-1990 version.

[@jericyebes2176]

Might be too late, but count me in😅

[@SatanicCultExpose]

When it comes to Isis Communist people have different opinions when it comes to these owners of Isis Communists religion asholes also suk their balls demon their baphomet what a time to alive in these dumb world

[@fubecabr]

Another example of how Morg apologists are completely dishonest (LIARS) is when they cite the work of world-renowned Mesoamerican Archeologist, Michael D. Coe, to attempt to link the Book of Moron and Mesoamerica. They take his work completely out of context. They NEVER, EVER quote what he has to say about the Book of Mormon, which is absolutely devastating.

[@fubecabr]

@DeenisseA Does LDS Inc stand up to scrutiny? Can you show me a single living, breathing Lamanite in these latter days? Can you cite a single hieroglyph of the Book of Abraham papyrus that Horny Joe correctly translated?

[@fubecabr]

Actually you can talk to a lot of mormons and ex-mormons who were freaked out and offended by the pre-1990 rituals and were glad when they were changed in 1990. Of course that brought up more problems like the fact that Horny Joe said that the temple rituals couldn't change and that Adam was set over them to ensure that.

[@fubecabr]

Even the prominent mormon apologist, Jeff Lindsay admits and defends the past use of blood oaths. I have done my research. I personally know of several active and ex mormons that confirmed the use of blood oaths, including my last bishop. I've also listened to the audio recording and heard most of actors in the current endowment movie can be heard in that audio. In addition, the AP independently confirmed the accuracy of the Tanner transcripts.

[@fubecabr]

What other choice do we have? The traitor who was born in Kenya, raised in Indonesia who shits, pisses, and ejaculates all over the constitution? This is the guy that's had ties to terrorists and radicals that wanted to setup re-education camps to KILL 25 million people. Oh, and an Army manual was just leaked a couple of weeks ago about setting up re-education camps. He signed the treacherous NDAA and claims the right to murder Americans.

[@ninonook677]

Yknow a there’s a reason why this video has over 300k views, over 3k comments, but bearly a single 1k likes.

[@KaelaCarver]

I wish I had stayed in the church long enough to be endowed and see what it's really like. I could have faked it a few more years lol. The temple always kind of creeped me out, even when I was completely enthralled in the church and entirely faithful and doubtless, it still gave me the creeps. The most beautiful and sacred place in the whole world, it was almost too perfect. Eerily perfect.

[@Allanrpsx]

I can not and will not deny all that I have seen and been a part of. I wasn't always a member of the church. I wasn't some kid who was raised brainwashed into cult. I found the gospel and was baptized, but even then I didn't have a true testimony. It took time for me to realize that in the work of God is the only true happiness, and since then it has changed my life. I hope someday you may be able to have felt what I have felt.

[@bossendenwoodconvict]

As a young Christian I certainly found mormonism scary. I felt nervous of their missionaries and tried to avoid them. Now I no longer feel this way. When I see the young mormon missionaries today, I just see a couple of vunerable, lonely kids who have been stuffed full of nonsense and pushed out into a world that is just isn't interested in that nonsense. I have lost my mormophobia.

[@fubecabr]

What do you think we have now? Obama has the US Army and DHS setting up re-education camps right now. He claims the right to kill or detain you without charge or trial. Hitler was actually a very skilled and competent leader until he made the mistake of invading Poland and France. In fact, Germany's economy roared to life under his peace-time leadership while we were mired in a depression. What I foresee coming is balkanization where the country is split into 4 or 5 different countries.

[@fubecabr]

Yes, there was naked touching during the initiatory prior to 2005. There were blood oaths prior to 1990 when the "unchangeable" endowment was changed. The whole video is the truth and has been well-documented. We have the statements of many mormons and ex-mormons as well as the smuggled audio and transcripts. I personally experienced the naked touching during my initiatory/endowment on 8/14/2000 in the Salt Lake Temple. Yes, it's Masonic and so is all the symbology like the Compass and Square.

[@fubecabr]

145,824 people have cared about blood oaths. Yes, this is helping me because I get satisfaction out of LDS Inc being exposed. I personally know of many mormons in my own family that I've helped leave the cult. Videos like this helped me out of LDS Inc. I found out that mormonism is completely untenable.

[@wanderingjennifer2715]

Congratulations to all who survived and left the cult. Your children will never suffer or endure the abuse cycle you have triumphantly crushed. May your life be free, peaceful, and void of all abuse committed by this cult and its brainwashed followers.

[@fubecabr]

It wasn't just single women. He also secretly "married" women who were already married to other men, while some of them were on missions.

[@liamlloyd77]

What are you talking about "aren't outfits"? I know what they are. It is a hat that looks like a bakers hat along with a green apron. Anyone would think you were cooking something in the temple loool

[@fubecabr]

I've watched conference many times, including a couple of times in person. I can't remember hearing any prophecy or revelation. It was mostly just a bunch of platitudes like, "you're all wonderful...you are many...you live in many different lands...many different languages..." Nothing of substance. "We have all the scripture we need?" Lol, yet past morg profits and doctrine say otherwise. Oh, and the BoA and BoM are the some of the most easily-disproved and asinine books of all fiction.

[@lemormon748]

If you get married as an Lds member, you've gone through this ceremony It's a straight up lie that "few have seen this"

[@Eanwe]

I go to the temple regularly and I've never done this. You've got it completely wrong.

[@fubecabr]

Whether someone is an Atheist or not is irrelevant to the topic at hand. This video isn't about Atheism.

[@endofus]

The Book of Momron is great, I love reading 'and then it came to pass' 50 thousand times, and I love 50 word sentences when five words would suffice.

[@MyLifeInTheDesert]

Yes it really is poor writing

[@GuyRegular]

Yeah and ironically there are places in the book of Mormon where the supposed writer complains about the difficulty of engraving on gold plates. If they take 50 words to say what could be accomplished in five

[@demigod5219]

this is sum creepy twilight zone shit! xD

[@fubecabr]

Contrary to mormon claims, the wine in the bible was NOT grape juice. Grape juice quickly ferments on its own absent any pasteurization and refrigeration.

[@Allanrpsx]

But it does not drive people to devote their life in the service of God while enduring persecution and other trials from forces around them. That takes a real motivation, hard dedication. Its one thing to say "If there is a God I receive eternal glory, and if not then the joys and pains end now." It is a much different thing to say "I know there is a God and therefore I will endure a life in his service." The people I have described know there is a God and that he loves them.

[@chrisartinc]

WHOA! THAT IS SOME SCARY ASS MUSIC! .........KINDA REMINDS ME OF THE EXORCIST.

[@whittlesmcskittles5791]

Also the twilight zone

[@zenexp]

lol all these traditional christians saying mormonism is crazy (which it is) but your religion is just as fictional

[@emmureify]

Cratozen w exactly there is many fallacies in the Bible as well.

[@xaviSF]

Least the Bible has actual historical use. Not some fake people that supposedly lived in the Americas.

[@rayma66]

@@emmureify like what?

[@daveyjones9930]

@@rayma66 Like God endorsing slavery in Exodus 23 and in Leviticus. This Biblical endorsement of slavery was used to justify the N Atlantic Slave Trade. Google for all the references.

[@fubecabr]

It's ritual clothing. Not underwear with the Masonic symbols of the compass, square, and ruler. There's no documented instances of anyone being magically healed with a tzit tzit. This is why Jews and most mormons go to hospitals when they're sick and/or injured-because superstition doesn't fucking work.

[@fubecabr]

Who's "relentlessly" attacked mormons? Not me. I've defended Mormons as a people. There's a difference between criticizing Mormonism and personally attacking mormons. A threat to religious freedom? Who's proposed banning Mormonism or taking away the right of Mormons to cling to their delusion?

[@Stoic777]

Wow Crazy Cult

[@Allanrpsx]

I've met too many people changed by that experience. I've seen too many lives set straight by the gospel. I've received too many miracles in my life. All the general authorities and most of those serving in the church do so not for gain, but because they love the gospel, what it has done for their life. It has been written that all good works are of God. I know the church teaches just things and has been a source of light and goodness for countless individuals, including myself.

[@sammyfaces]

The Mormon church is not a cult! Take it from me. I'm mormon, and if it were actually a cult, I would have stopped going to church a long time ago. The false information on the internest these days is just so rediculous.

[@fubecabr]

The green aprons are a part of the Endowment, NOT baptism for the dead. This video isn't just portraying a part of necrobaptism, but also the Endowment and Initiatory. You are commenting on things you know NOTHING about. Just because you've done necrobaptisms doesn't mean you've seen it all. And just like 21sarahavis said, deceased mormons are buried in the temple garb, which includes the green apron. Women perform the initiatory on other women in the temple because of the past naked touching.

[@encoresurterre]

The ceremony is delightful. Good feelings of brotherhood and sisterhood abound. Lights are dimmed while watching video but not in live actor sessions. The lights are dimmed during the representation of the lower kingdoms but illumination increases as one progresses to the celestial representation. No one will take your life for revealing the 'sacred' ordinances (or this guy would be gone, wouldn't he?) but emphasis is placed on the importance of keeping covenants.

[@fubecabr]

@2707luiles Discern the true? So you're saying the feelings trump fact? Seriously, it's hard to think of a cult or religion more ridiculous, more easily disproved, than LDS Inc. You might as well make an argument that if you could just have "real intent" and the "pure love of Christ" that you too could believe that the Earth was flat or hollow. Blasphemy? One man's sacred cow is another's cheeseburger.

[@user-wl7ds2pj8y]

With all the contention and war in the world, I find it very sad that this is how you choose to spend your time focusing on...time better spent extending grace to one another, serving one another in the world. Why spread division, conspiracy, and uses, even hate..

[@fubecabr]

Actually, a lot of people know a lot about Mormonism. In fact, most of the critics of mormonism know more about the skeletons in mormonism's closet than mormons do. Hell, I didn't know that Horny Joe, the founder of mormonism, had multiple wives until I was 25. As OP, I've defended the membership of the cult. Mormons are not Satanic. For the most part, they're GREAT people, stuck in a greedy money hungry cult.

[@fubecabr]

No, mormons don't invite anyone to find out for themselves of the content of the temple rituals. You have to go to third party sources to find out the content. It's not until you've paid your 10% and have the jesus permission slip that you can enter the temple and find out the content. They never endorse researching anything relating to mormonism outside of official sources, just like any other cult.

[@fubecabr]

Yes, the leadership is cowardly and conniving. Where's LDS Inc's financial disclosures and statements that most non-profits release? Not once has LDS Inc fessed up to past mistakes nor does it fess up to obvious frauds like the Book of Abraham or the Book of Mormon. If they were honest, they'd say "look, the book's not literally true...but there's some stuff we can learn from it." I know all about temples. I was a mormon for 25 years, served a mission, and graduated from YBU.

[@fubecabr]

You see, Mormon apologists start with the notion that LDS Inc is true and go scour the Earth to find coincidences while IGNORING everything that doesn't fit their preconceived ideas. The fact of the matter is that Mormonism is completely untenable. It's been disproved in hundreds of different ways and is much easier to disprove than Judiasm or Christianity because LDS Inc claims modern prophetic revelation direct from YHWH while claiming omnipotence and omniscience for him.

[@fubecabr]

As far as the freedom to choose goes, mormons don't want to allow gays to marry, support drug prohibition, oppose abortion, support overseas military adventures, and IMMORAL forms of taxation like income and property taxes.

[@fubecabr]

It's easy to tell when someone has had their ass handed to them in an argument or discussion-they start personal attacks. A favorite nowadays, especially of Liberals, is to accuse others of being Nazis.

[@user-mh3tt1nn8c]

I’m so thankful that I am no longer a Norman after 67 years a temple marriage and holding many callings I did my own research and found that the Mormon church and the prophet Joseph B smith and no all the following prophets are B false and the temples have B no truth taken from masons teachings . I m so Thankful to know the Truths I have learned and pray that my child wren and grandchildren will in this life time find for themselves that the teachings of the Mormon B church are completely False

[@Artycloughiii]

I participated in discussions with him. He made up claims that people stated one thing or another and then criticized them for something they never said. He called people Nazis and bullies.Mormons aren't even supposed to associate with people who tear down the Mormon doctrine. He seemed to be a rageaholic who used terms like Nazi with zero sensitivity for the gravity of the word.David Lory is notorious for blocking people who disprove him. Henochparks was vile.

[@fubecabr]

The reason that the date given is 1990 is because the video was produced in 1982. I would argue that The Godmakers had a significant influence in toning down the Endowment. Yes, aspects were changed before then. But of course that contradicts what past profits said in that the temple rituals are unchangeable and that Adam was specifically given charge to see to it that they NEVER be changed.

[@fubecabr]

Are you illiterate? Did you miss the multiple mentions in the video, including the fucking title that it represents the pre-1990 endowment, not the current one? What's so amazing about magic handshakes and dressup games? Do you realize how silly it is for a "god" to need secret handshakes and passwords to be able to tell who's worthy to admit into heaven and who isn't????

[@fubecabr]

I have studied up. I was mormon for 25 years. I served a mission and graduated from BYU. It certainly is accurate. I've posted the transcripts and smuggled audio from the pre-1990 endowment. I also have the statements of thousands of mormons and ex-mormons as supporting witnesses. What do you have???? Nothing better to do? Haven't uploaded a video regarding mormonism in more than 5 years. Do you have nothing better to do than spam-jam youtube for Pompous S Monson and Horny Joe?

[@fubecabr]

If you're going to define a cult to include everyone, then the word loses all meaning. When people use the word "cult," they're usually talking about mind control groups like Moonies, Branch Davidians, Heaven's Gate, Scientology, Jehovah's Witnesses, Muslims, and Mormons.

[@fubecabr]

Ok, prove it. I've been asking mormons for proof since 2007 and have yet to have a single mormon provide any documentary proof that the video is incorrect. OTOH, I've posted the pre-1990 transcripts and smuggled audio recordings. I also have the statements of numerous believing Mormons who complained about the music/tone and ex-mormons that have confirmed its veracity.

[@fubecabr]

You have some proof for that, Sport? I've been asking mormons for proof that the video is in error for 6 freaking years now, and have yet to have anyone offer proof. Most of the Mormons that deny the video are those that are under 18 and only done baptisms for the dead. Yes, they even deny the silly bakers caps and green aprons. They also assume that Mormon rituals are the same that they've always been. That's because they've never actually investigated Mormonism.

[@fubecabr]

@chillcoconut Yes, mormons don't CURRENTLY do that, but they did prior to 1990. I've presented evidence in the form of a smuggled audio recording, transcripts, and the statements of older believing and ex-mormons confirming the accuracy of the video. You assume that Mormonism as it is today is the same as it's always been. Because it's a man-made cult, it's in a constant state of flux. Why don't you research your cult instead of shooting from the hip?

[@BloodMoneyLLC]

I wouldn't say it's necessarily satanic. It's really just a rip-off of Masonic rituals, which are themselves derived from other religious traditions -- many of which have historically informed the Judeo-Christian tradition. It may be a little odd to an outsider, but it's not evil.

[@Allanrpsx]

Ok I was not entirely accurate when saying everything in this video was false. I wasn't really paying attention to what that comment insinuated, and did not mean to deceive anybody. It is true that there was an oath taken to not reveal what happened within the temple. The graphic representations in these rituals ceased in the 1920's. The goal off every person is to return to live with God, and the fact that the prophet Joseph Smith, being a just man, is with Heavenly Father is irrelevant.

[@fubecabr]

I really don't care what one disproved myth claims about another mythical figure. It's fan fiction. It's like Star Wars or Star Trek fans debating something.

[@fubecabr]

Just because something appears similar, doesn't mean there's a real connection. There's all sorts of coincidences between the Lincoln and JFK assasinations-both shot in the head, by southerners, succeeded by southerners who were named Johnson, both elected to congress in '46, both elected President in '60, both assassins born in '39, both presidents were shot on a Friday, both were warned not to go to the places where they were murdered. That doesn't mean there's any actual connection.

[@fubecabr]

@spencermundt13 What's false about the video? Why don't you post the audio and transcripts of the temple rituals to prove it false? What could one learn by going to the mormon cult? Most of its members are pretty clueless about its deep doctrines and history.

[@fubecabr]

No one really eats beef by accident. It's usually intentional. Besides, it really don't matter if you are eating beef because it's tasty or if you want to disrepect Hindus, the end result is the same.

[@fubecabr]

There's only a couple of Mormons that publicly spoke out against Hitler and were executed. Mormons did not make up a large population in Nazi Germany. 600 of them were in the German Army. I don't judge them nor do I really blame the cult on what it did during this time period. A good and pretty balanced discussion on this topic can be found on BYU's Religious Studies Center website: "Deliverer or Oppressor: Missionaries’ Views of Hitler during the 1930s"

[@fubecabr]

Yes, you know nothing about the endowment. The temple prep classes tell you nothing about the temple clothing, magic handshakes, juvenile dress-up games, or ripped-off masonic imagery and symbols. They didn't tell me that there would be naked touching and a TSA-style rapedown either. While that was changed in 2005, it was still creepy and I was NOT warned about it beforehand.

[@teched246]

@Lisarata The trinity is none other than Osiris the father, Horus, the son, and Ra the Highest Sun...egyptian sun gods. Osiris represented the *setting* sun, and is reborn/resurrected as Horus, the *rising* sun. Ra, who alone represented the *mid-day* sun, completes the trinity as "Ra-Horakty" (Ra who is Horus of the two Horizons), the conflation of all 3 gods and positions of the sun. The title "Horakty" indicates that son was also regarded being the father (setting sun).

[@fubecabr]

I do know your beliefs based on the comments you've made. You've basically said to people that they're going to hell for not believing in Mormonism. You also throw up all the red flags that Mormons do. It's a really common tactic for Mormons spam-jamming youtube to pretend to be disinterested third parties, defending the poor persecuted mormons. I catch them all the time doing this. Making misrepresentations about who you are is a form of lying. If LDS Inc is so true, why do you have to lie?

[@dArLeNewk]

I'm 61 years old and i have been to the Temple ,my Mother and son has as well ,no one is threaten to be killed , LDS means ''Latter-day Saints'' and Joseph Smith is not our God,and we believe in the Bible as well as the Book of Mormon ,they are both spiritual books of the Lord. If you want to know the truth invite the LDS Missionary into your home,they are wonderful God loving young men.

[@fubecabr]

@DashingKardashianTV If blacks are equally intelligent, NAME a single, solitary black country with any accomplishment whatsoever. Name a black country that has sent black men into space. Name a black country that has split the atom. Name a black country that"s NOT a third world hellhole. Name a black country with international military, political, and economic influence. Explain why Detroit is such a crime-ridden third world hellhole and Windsor, ON isn't? It's just across the river.

[@fubecabr]

I'm not "returning" to a non-existent and make-believe imaginary friend. I'm hardly prodigious. I live within my means and don't owe anyone money.

[@arabe45]

People are overwhelmed by Mormonism through top-secret rituals, secret handshakes, secret passwords and all that God has forbidden in the Bible the Mormons practice through these strange and bizarre rituals.

[@fubecabr]

You have some proof for that, Sport? I've been asking Mormons for proof that the video is in error for 6 freaking years now, and have yet to have anyone offer proof. I'm actually grateful that you posted this message even denying the baker's caps, toga robes, and green aprons. It shows how ignorant most Mormons are, especially young Mormons.. They assume that Mormon rituals are the same that they've always been. That's because they've never actually investigated Mormonism.

[@fubecabr]

Again, do you have any evidence that this is inaccurate? No, it was not filmed inside a mormon temple. When did the video claim that it was???? Millions of mormons have had endowments with blood oaths until the year 1990. Time for you to do some research, Sport. It's even a part of the official record in the Library of Congress. The transcript of the endowment of the time of the Smoot Senate Hearings was published. At that point, they removed the Oath of Vengeance against the US.

[@ShipwreckedSOS]

I'm no longer an active member of the LDS church, but I have been baptized for the dead in a temple ceremony (mid 1970's.) I can tell you firsthand that I was never touched in this manner, nor was I "encouraged to have encounters with the dead" in any fashion. Yes, there are rituals practiced by the Mormons, just as with ALL religions. I'll tell you that there are small Masonic symbols etc in the religion(So what.) So, from my firsthand experience the video is mostly an Inaccurate REENACTMENT.

[@MrElijah151515]

im a ex mormon i left to fallow my own path, this severely inaccurate, yes mormons hold rituals but not anti biblical or satanic , what church does not have tradition they hold on to. all churches have some far fetched beliefs . mormons are not a cult there just good people very nice people meet my mom 8) but please dont let this misleading and ill informed 2:25 video sway your mind to think poorly about mormons ya its annoying when people knock on your door but to label them as a cult.

[@Amhlair]

I tried keeping rules and working my head off to please God, and it didn't work. So I quit being a "law man" so that I could be God's man. Christ's life showed me how, and enabled me to do it. I identified myself completely with him. Indeed, I have been crucified with Christ. My ego is no longer central. It is no longer important that I appear righteous before you or have your good opinion, and I am no longer driven to *impress* God. Christ lives in me. -Paul of Tarsus

[@fubecabr]

Anti-Jewish thoughts have never been very strong in the US. In fact, the US was one of the primary backers of the nation of Israel and continues to give military aid to this date. The Jews make up very large numbers of people in politics, the media, education, government, and executive positions in corporations. In fact, every single person on the Criminal Reserve Board of Governors is a Jew. There's not even a token gentile. Anti-catholic? We elected a Catholic in 1962.

[@fubecabr]

Not even close to what? The current rituals? The Morg's "unchangeable" temple rituals are in a constant state of flux and have changed several times. If you lifted a finger to do some research, you'd know that. If you weren't illiterate, you'd know that the video isn't claiming to portray the current rituals.

[@fubecabr]

How am I full of crap? What propaganda have I spread about the cult? LDS Inc was quite disrespectful to me and it still is to its members when it outright lies to them and lies through omission about its history and issues. It was quite hurtful to me and it's hurtful to its members. UT has the #1 bankruptcy rate, #1 in depression, and #7 in suicide. I didn't get reprimanded for anything. I left after discovering the truth about LDS Inc. My geology and biology classes at BYU played a role.