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[@valentinat3250]

If there ever was a man who loved what he did and was passionate about the integrity of his life’s work, it was Robert Ritner. What a remarkable, memorable scholar. RIP, Dr. Ritner. You will not be forgotten.

[@sharkofjoy]

I needed every single one of these asides, I needed every question, I needed every challenge, I needed every counter-argument, I needed every second (and hour) of these discussions. Thank you to everyone who came together to record this incredible conversation. This is a gift of the modern era, for all of the other evils it is often correctly charged with. This kind of education would never have been accessible to someone of my birth in just about any other era on any continent.

[@karlhansen1543]

Thank you, thank you, thank you, Dr. Ritner. Whatever Gee says, it very much matters to people like me that you've given us this gift. To those of us brought up with the idea, supported by people we thought we could trust like Gee, Nibley, etc. - that this document was legitimate and a testament to our church founder. I mean, we based our whole lives on this idea and made major life decisions based on this trust in founding narratives and artifacts like the BoA. Thank you for this wonderful gift of helping us understand what we could not have understood without your help. Thank you for your honorable representation of your profession and helping us see the scholarship of our apologists for what it really is. Truth is everything. And you are the teacher we needed. Thank you!

[@torin93]

Dr. Ritner and John, thanks so much for these discussions. While not a Mormon myself nor even care about Mormonism, There is still a wealth of information on Egyptian Culture that I never knew! Blessings!

[@catherinenesbit5446]

Loving the Dr. Ritner podcasts. So sad we lost him. He was a true scholar. Thank you Dr. Dehlin for your wonderful work.

[@TheBackyardProfessor]

This is a sensational series of interviews! It was the Book of Abraham which I spent the vast amount of my apologetic time when I was using Nibley's materials for the most part. Ritner has completely eviscerated everything I thought I knew from following Nibley, Gee, and Muhlestein. It's game over. Egyptologists win. I believe in evidence, and have changed my mind based on that that I was wrong as an apologist. This is impressive honesty which LDS apologetics have simply thrown out.

[@bossendenwoodconvict]

I really admire you for changing your mind. Have you been interviewed on Mormon Stories yet?

[@pb9240]

These three interviews are, in all reality, the kill shot for any remote hope Mormons and Mormon apologists have in trying to defend and justify the BoA. Thank you Dr. Ritner! I will be writing you an email to thank you for your expertise, research, and work on this subject.

[@huffpappy]

These have been epic! I so much appreciate the knowledge and kindness of Dr. Ritner. It would be wonderful to have him as a professor.

[@allen4659]

Continued prayer for total and complete healing for Dr. Robert Ritner. Never give up the fight towards healing.

[@RB-zh1eq]

The deception is what gets me. It's not so much that this isn't right, or that this happened, or this didn't happen. But the obfuscation, whitewashing, hiding, gaslighting, straight up lying . . . that's what's driven the nails into the coffin of Mormonism for me. The more I learn, the further I get from ever going back. When I was a member, for well over 45 years, I didn't see the harm done by TSCC. Now I can't quit seeing it. Dr Ritner, you're awesome, and swinging one hell of a hammer. Thank you. Thank you John Dehlin, and RFM for taking the time to do this. Of course if you're a devout believer, you could just say "the so called experts". But that's as dishonest as you can get.

[@mormonstories]

Thanks, RB.

[@Barigoddess]

Trying to justify religion with science never seems to end well.

[@leannlong6204]

That's me exactly!

[@josephsorg]

@@davidjanbaz7728 You dont believe in a literal bible do you? Like the flood story? People turning to salt? Young Earth?

[@bryancsimmons]

Boom! Mic drop by Dr. Ritner. Its so satisfying to hear from an actual Egyptologist and just hear the facts. Thanks for giving truth Dr. Ritner!

[@lyndatracy2334]

John, your 'Soapbox' thoughts are spot on. The church has destroyed too many lives with its deceptive teachings. I gave sixty years of my life to it and I was 100% in, before I discovered the truth and resigned four years ago. And now I'm left trying to pick up the pieces of my life. The regrets of what I could have done with my life are sometimes unbearable, especially when it comes to the regrets of raising my children in the church and the damage it has done to them. I have no room in my heart for progressive Mormonism, the church has destroyed lives for nearly two centuries.

[@bossendenwoodconvict]

You did the best you could at the time, and you did what you thought was right with the knowledge you had.

[@deskjockie4948]

I too gave over 40 years of my life to the Mormon church, and am no longer a member. I have come to the conclusion that all religions are human animal constructs, and if someone wants to remain a practicing Mormon, or any other religion, there is some benefit to be obtained from doing so. However, I can no longer sit in a Mormon church meeting and sing "Praise to the Man", or go along with the fraud that Joseph Smith perpetuated. I feel as if a huge weight has been lifted from me, and am enjoying a freedom of thought and feeling that I never had as a TBM. There IS life after Mormonism!

[@MillaJ100]

So important! Thank you MS and Dr. Ritner. Rest In Peace, I’m so thankful for these interviews ❤

[@quacks2much]

I was a Mormon teen in the 60s and early 70s. My dad was a Mormon racist. The Book of Abraham where I lived in Montana was extremely popular among racists. The Mormons backed off some since then, but racism is still doctrine from the Book of Abraham. That is the main reason I won't vote for a known Mormon until they publicly repudiate the Book of Abraham. If I’m in a dream and it turns out the Book of Abraham is true, I’m going to Hell because I will not worship a god that is such a racist.

[@annep2693]

This series was great. Dr. Ritner gives me serious Ron Swanson vibes. "I worry what you just heard was: 'Give me a lot of bacon and eggs.' What I said was: 'Give me all of the bacon and eggs you have.' Do you understand?"

[@megancaceres6698]

I thought the same thing! 😂 I keep hearing Ron Swanson. lol

[@kreedziegler841]

100% thought the same

[@kirkalton6932]

Just watched through all of the episodes with Dr. Ritner and was sad to learn of his recent death. I just want to say thank you so much for your contributions while you were here. You'll always be remembered through your work and the Mormon Stories Podcast. RIP Dr. Ritner.

[@elizabethmiller819]

I've been watching these episodes over the last couple days and basically came to say what you just did. I'm really grateful for his contribution here and was sad to hear that he'd passed.

[@Dragonfly5455]

I am not a scholar, just a person that feeds her brain to satisfy her soul. Thank you, Dr. Ritner. I have feasted!...

[@davethebrahman9870]

A very nice sentiment, Ms Clark.

[@MaxwellsUnearthly]

Praying for Dr Ritner that he gets his transplant and he can continue todo great work, and great episode! 💪👍🙌

[@kelvinhayward4023]

Praise to the man!!! Robert Ritner.

[@koljag5]

I don't know if you saw Facebook, but 7 donors stepped up. His doctors were blown away.

[@TheBackyardProfessor]

@@koljag5 That is sensational! That helps restore my hope and faith in humanity

[@MaxwellsUnearthly]

@@koljag5 That's just phenomenal! I hope he gets this very very soon, thanks for the update!!

[@mememe1468]

Sadly , he did pass away about a month ago

[@ekpennock]

I've loved ancient Egypt since I was little and as a mormon I had an oulet. I was always more interested in truth than dogma, though. Coincidentally, one of my Egypt books has a chapter written by Dr. Ritner. Pleasant surprise!

[@beliskner3791]

This Is a truth so important to share, but there is too many people from the mormon comunity that cant acces to this, because they dont speak english. If you guys could make a version with spanish subtitles, that would be incredible, because you Will open the eyes of thousands. in fact this opened my own eyes, thank you guys! Thank you so much!

[@GOSOPRO]

The past several days listening to 1,2 and 3 with Dr. Ritner have been absolutely amazing. This is without question your very best interview ever. Our best to the good Dr.🙏, Irrefutable scholarship. Shame on the “Mr. Mac Suits” and their carefully erected personal facade’s of scholarship and righteousness. Such an embarrassment to all that is good and honest.

[@allen4659]

Amazing research by Dr. Robert Ritner. HE ROCKS!

[@utahwanderlust700]

Absolutely awesome interview! It took me four days, but I finished watching it all. Not only is Dr. Ritner a Goliath of Egyptology, and a rockstar among his peers, he is also a man of the utmost integrity, and a genuine gentleman. If the BYU and church hierarchy had an ounce of Ritner's honesty, this whole topic of the BOA would have been put to rest over a 150 years ago. His credentials are absolutely astonishing, and I found it intriguing just to listen to him speak about which topic he is so passionate. To be the best, or in the top 5 best in the world at anything is remarkable, be it basketball, ballet, underwater basket weaving, or Egyptology. I sincerely hope this man will find his kidney (if he hasn't done so already), and stay healthy long into the future.

[@leannlong6204]

During Dr. Ritner's closing remarks, I legit felt the spirit burning in my bosom! :) Awesome interview series!

[@tater0529]

Thoughts and prayers with Dr. Ritner, I have thoroughly enjoyed this scholarly presentation and discussion. As an ex-Mormon and student of history, this has been an absolute pleasure to watch/learn. Thank you!

[@TheJf5432112345]

So if you want a degree in history DO NOT goto BYU. Got it. Makes sense. They are going to tell their version of history, not the actual version.

[@Maisiewuppp]

There is no ‘actual’ version of history but if you’re going to study the subject, then yes, it must be based on reason, research, academic principles not religious mumbo jumbo.

[@whothinksforme]

2:33:03 is the Crux of the whole issue with the Book of Abraham and it's translation. And 5:00:36 is a great conclusion.

[@sharkofjoy]

3:38:38 Dr. Ritner: "I had been getting information that [Dr. Gee] was doing things on the side, but they never came up in class, so that wasn't a problem. His dissertation topic was -" RFM: "Dr. Ritner, when you talk about 'doing things on the side', are we talking about selling drugs, or what?" Dr. Ritner: "Oh, I'm sorry, he was writing articles for Mormon publications that were defending the Book of Abraham in ways that I did not know about." I am a ghost now, I laughed so hard.

[@binren3984]

The third installment ! I'm so excited to hear this broadcast

[@jonduke4748]

I can tell that this Ritner guys is extraordinarily intelligent.

[@redcurrantart]

Fantastic. I’m so glad I found this series in the Mormon Stories archive. Love stuff like this.

[@exmodeadpool]

Whenever I have a discussion and my opponent switches from attacking my ideas to attacking my personality, I count it as a victory. Ad hominem is a sign of their defeat.

[@kathyclark8274]

Alexander Titor: Yes, certainly! One of the first principles of debating.

[@jamescutler428]

I wish so badly Robert Ritner was still alive. It is so valuable to have people who just tell us the facts, and actually make sense. People who care about intellectual and moral integrity. This was probably the most important series of episodes on this channel. Thank you Dr. Ritner for every hour of charitable sacrifice spent and for your unadulterated scholarly interest in this subject. Rest in peace. 😢

[@ks4893-m8v]

I'm so sad that Robert Ritner passed away 😔 I'm so grateful for this interview the 3 of you did!! I learned so much even though I previously listened to LDS Discussions episodes of Mormon Stories on the Book of Abraham.

[@TheJf5432112345]

BYU probably can't reference Dr Ritner's work for two reasons 1) gee, et al, isnt as competent and thus needed to 'borrow' some of your work and 2) it could lead others to Ritner's work and away from gee, byu, fair, etc. (on point #1, I think there is a long established pattern)

[@juandoughboy]

Great 3 podcasts! Thank you Dr. Ritner. Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right, here I am, Stuck in the middle with you Artist: Stealers Wheel Album: Stealers Wheel Released: 1972

[@brettbair2654]

Science will continue to grow. Religion will continue to stagnate. Pick your horse. The trail you travel will create you.

[@marthashepherd341]

As a Never Mormon but a Catholic, I find the Egyptology fascinating. They even had "virgin birth " Egyptology. Hey, how does this parallel The Virgin Mary and Jesus??? Amazing.. Thank You Dr. Ritner, RFM and Dr. Dehlin ❤❤❤

[@tewtravelers9586]

Many years ago I had some serious debates over the BOA. My opponents even enlisted the help of Daniel Peterson (I received a personal email from him). These videos would have been invaluable for me at that time. Oh well, I'm sure they will be life changing for many others! Thank you all for providing this information. Dr. Ritner's lifelong pursuit of knowledge blessed us all.

[@chicklet1959]

I've been waiting for days for this next one.

[@transitionaloldlady6348]

Are you going to keep us updated on the status of Dr. Ritner's health? And this is one of the best Mormon Stories series you have ever brought to us - thank you.

[@TheJf5432112345]

Sounds like gee is going to get a memo that says, "before you make any communications ever, you must have kirton & mconkie approval."

[@FFM115]

I wonder if any member of the first presidency or the 12 would have the guts to watch this.

[@robhastings2496]

They're old enough to have had thousands of chances to be honest. I wouldn't hold your breath. I believe that many of us know at least one person in our lives who are so habituated to lying that they often do so even when they have absolutely nothing to gain by it. These guys are going to do what they've always done and ride their golden parachutes to the grave.

[@LibRoseITM]

I think they already know all of this, or at least, they already know that the book of Abraham has absolutely nothing to do with the papyri that Joseph had.

[@parrotlover9035]

Only a fool would argue with Dr. Ritner.

[@bossendenwoodconvict]

Two of the fools would be: Paul Gregerson, and his only disciple Richard Holmes.

[@RB-zh1eq]

@@bossendenwoodconvict I know! I commented on the second episode: "Paul Gregersen, Richard Holmes, where are you?". I get being indoctrinated and all that, but those two are fucking idiots.

[@bossendenwoodconvict]

@@RB-zh1eq I agree. A mormon has the excuse of being indoctrinated and a victim only up to a certain point. Those two have had plenty of exposure to the truth, and wilfully ignore it.

[@RB-zh1eq]

@@bossendenwoodconvict Holmes once told me he went to Sandra Tanner's house and she wouldn't answer the door or something. He was stalking that poor lady. He's dangerous.

[@bossendenwoodconvict]

@@RB-zh1eq He is dangerous...and apparently believes that a power company is involved in a conspiracy to kill him. Wise lady Sandra Tanner!

[@davidl2438]

Thanks for these videos with Dr. Ritner. These videos are awesome. I am learning much.

[@larryballard4475]

By far and away the most informative and concise deconstruction or this issue ever. Thank you Dr. Ritner for filling in the spaces.

[@carinabell2156]

As a life long Episcopalian, I was not expecting to hear my church mentioned in this (mostly because it’s not usually one of the major Christian denominations making headlines), but the more I think about it, the more the idea of this bishop going to Egyptologists for answers tracks with my experience with the Episcopal Church. The priest I had while growing up liked to discuss the cultural/historical aspects of the bible in his sermons and always encouraged anyone who had questions about the bible/doctrine to discuss them with him, and the church my aunt and uncle attend had a framed picture in their Fellowship Hall that said something along the lines of “Jesus died to take away your sins, not your mind” 😂

[@kelvinhayward4023]

The church is watching point 5.2 in the podcast the same advert for the church appeared. Nelson apologising for closing the temples, but do not worry fast offering are up.

[@kelvinhayward4023]

What a fantastic trilogy of interviews,l waited all week for the final part and was not disappointed.i thought that Doctor Ritner, RFM, and you Doctor John were excellent in you interaction with each other. I was so impressed by the knowledge and expertise of Doctor Ritner ,which made it so easy to follow his explanation of each of the facsimiles. The interjections by RFM made it even more interesting at times playing Devils advocate. How you top this off this I wait with baited breath to see. A debate between Doctor Ritner and BYU apologists???? Wishful thinking!!

[@missrza2203]

Thank you, Dr Ritner. Your work means a lot to many people. You are giving people the truth. I hope that you are able to receive the transplant that you need.

[@funkyfreshtx]

I watched the full interview with Dr. Rittner and RFM. How is this live thing different?

[@rickoleum]

Looking forward to this, parts 1 and 2 were great.

[@ashesfalldown492]

I am so grateful to Dr Ritner for these episodes. He was a wonderful scholar and I am seriously loving his John Gee snark. Hope it got under his skin. Lol

[@zmig7793]

This is the smoking gun!! Thank you all for your scholarship work in displaying exactly how Joseph and his team of scribe created the BoA. Can you please do the same with the Book of Mormon? Is there enough information out there to recreate how Joseph created the BoM?

[@bobbyboywonder12]

Unfortunately no. The golden plates were apparently “taken back up to heaven”. So we have nothing to compare the Book of Mormon to. Convenient

[@robertramsay5963]

Who owns that faceless voice? I love his voice! So calming.

[@davethebrahman9870]

Thanks for posting this, condolences to his family. I’m sure they are deeply proud of his contribution.

[@bossendenwoodconvict]

I believe in The Book of Abraham....as far as it's correctly translated.

[@RB-zh1eq]

I think Kinderhook is mispelled in the BoA.

[@Jupiter_Crash]

David Holdstock- 🤣😂🤣

[@Maisiewuppp]

Then you think it’s a piece of crap.

[@MrQwertyqwerty12345]

Stuck in the Middle with You was by Stealers Wheel not the Steve Miller Band. Everything is this video can now be discounted.

[@andreadiamond7115]

Wow! Amazing work gentlemen. I am so glad I’m a never-in because if i were a faithful member and hadn’t had a faith crisis after the Jeremy Runnels, Sandra Tanner , Donna Showalter and so many other interviews, I surely would now. I don’t know how the apologetics can live with themselves. Thank you. Best wishes Dr. Ritter that you find and have a successful transplant. ✌🏼, truth and ❤️ to all.

[@motordudeable]

Stuck in the Middle With You was Stealers Wheel. How can they possibly know anything about Egyptology if they don’t even know that? 🤣 Great job John always great podcasts

[@leannlong6204]

LOL!

[@debra4542]

Fabulous interview/lecture series... Thank you so much, gentlemen, for uncloaking fallacies and revealing the shining face of truth. Thank you so much, Dr. Ritner - Just fascinating.

[@utahwanderlust700]

One thing I was hoping these podcasts would talk about (and forgive me if it was and I missed it) was the Anthon Transcript. When Dr. Ritner said that knowledge gleaned from the Rosetta Stone was known only in Europe in the early 1820's, and no one here in America would have been privy to that knowledge, how was it that people such as Charles Anthon could've been considered an authority on Egyptian symbols? How would he know if the figures that Martin Harris showed him were authentic or not? And why wasn't the knowledge brought to America in those days after 1822 when the code was cracked? Surely there were people on ships coming across the Atlantic with some rudimentary understanding of what work had been going on?

[@haslergray1947]

Your greatest podcast to date and I have watched all 1300 hours over the years.Am offering a kidney to Dr Ritner .However I live in South Africa and do not comprehend the intricacies of the situation Perhaps you can investigate the possibilities here?

[@DustinArmstrongPro]

Think about this. Okay sure maybe you believe Joseph Smith made a mistake on the Book of Abraham. So maybe Joseph Smith found gold plates with some kind of Egyptian on it (I realize he didn't even use them because of the rock in the hat). Well, this proves even if he did he couldn't translate it and thought characters meant paragraphs. Hope Dr Ritner finds a donor🙏 really enjoyed hearing his expertise on this.

[@schmidtcs]

is the Joseph Smith Papyri book available in an ebook format?

[@povfwm12]

You know what would be great? If people like Dr Coe and Dr Ritner could make “debunking” videos of the Mormon apologists. I come across them so much more lately on KZbin.

[@jaronhall]

I would love to listen in on a conversation with Dr. Robert Ritner and Bart Ehrman just to see what they would talk about with each other.

[@bobbyboywonder12]

What a dream that’d be

[@lyndatracy2334]

Exactly, Dr. Ritner! Just think of all the good the church could do in the world, especially today, with the money they have. But they choose not to. I'm reminded of the teaching I learned in Primary many years ago, "What would Jesus do?"

[@jaronhall]

3:26:56 lol ritner has no time for jokes he’s too busy roasting gee’s scholarship

[@Leo-td1vr]

This was fascinating 👏 I've been interested in Ancient Egypt since way back when the Rameses II exhibition was at BYU, and a childhood dream of mine was to study at the Oriental Institute. I plan to watch the whole thing again. Thank you for this series, and I hope Dr. Ritner will get the help he needs.

[@kathyclark8274]

I remember seeing the Ramses collection myself while at Breed 'em Young long, long ago. Ah, the innocence of youth, so trusting and naive! LOL!

[@girlgoesgolden]

I love that the ad on this is “come follow me” 😂

[@bryanpoulsen8969]

Good stuff. Thank you!

[@ryanblairrigby]

I was nerding out last night on Male Fertility Gods. What I thought was interesting is that I have never been exposed to the idea that there was even such a thing. I am used to fertility gods in pop culture and Hollywood, but never realized that cultures may have rubbed plants that spurt out white juice and cultures touched the phallic part of a statue. Blew my mind.

[@michaelfinley6552]

We should all insist that the church release the papyri to the public, or at the very least to scholars for examination.

[@binren3984]

It's already been looked at, the Smith papyri are common Egyption funerary documents. Zero to do with anything Smith wrote about in the Book of Abraham. Peace

[@michaelfinley6552]

@@binren3984 I agree. But they're keeping them hidden now. I want them open for everyone to examine. No more bullshit

[@binren3984]

@@michaelfinley6552 Their afraid they will wake up their sheep, How will they get another 100 billion dollars ? No tithing no Temple.

[@michaelfinley6552]

@@binren3984 you got it right. 💯

[@utahwanderlust700]

1:13:41 Stealers Wheel, not Steve Miller Band.😉

[@mattbrown2788]

Thank you for this amazing interview!

[@frankclark8688]

Thank you for this insightful and mind opening interview, and specifically thank Dr. Ritner for you complete and wonder explanation of the mechanics used by JS to inaccurately and falsely translate the papyrus scolls.

[@tylerpond1229]

Brilliant! Thank you to all involved!

[@lauraoverstreet9987]

I'm so impressed by Dr Ritner! Truly a journey..if I may ask, Dr Ritner, have you noticed and similarities with the teachings of jesus and Osiris?? During the last super, jesus talked about a kennel must fall and die to bring forth good works. (Which reminded me of osiris)

[@Geospasmic]

I'm so glad to have Dr. Ritner's words and expertise on this subject, it's endlessly fascinating. At one time it would have seemed like a waste of time, but due to his curiosity and honest investigation, he discovered a snapshot of a lost piece of ancient art. However, the immense amount of work he had to do to unravel Joseph Smith's pile of made up junk is also really impressive. Especially considering how little he had to work with due to the church's attempts to bury the information. Grateful for this man's life and these wonderful interviews.

[@uncomplicatedi]

LDS "scholarship". You just can't trust scholarship that's published only in LDS apologetics journals without peer review. Gee gave the game away when he rejected peer review. Peer review frustrates him because he is focused on apologetics.

[@dreamaginationsbyjoseph6309]

Prayers for Dr. Ritner 🙏💛💛✝️. God Bless you sir 🙏.

[@drbrendankishketon]

Maligning, name-calling, and character-assassination attempts are the predominate strategies of those who cannot argue the facts.

[@michelleburkott9906]

Thank your Dr Ritner and RFM. I appreciate you taking your time to explain this all to us!! It has been very interesting and cements my opinion of JS as a scam artist!

[@pavelmanEC]

Please , active subtitles, I love to reade it as a non English speaker ❤

[@belisariobenites1091]

Thank you so much for your enlightening podcasts. The house of cards keep falling a little here and a little there, but falling nonetheless.

[@exmodeadpool]

Is there any additional way to make it known to the people that Dr. Ritner needs a kidney? This video has only 15 000 views, I guess it is not enough to find potential donors...

[@exjwborn-in2134]

Awesome!

[@hollayevladimiroff131]

Thank you for the truth!!

[@alanfenick1103]

Thank you Dr. Ritter! May you find your transplant ASAP!

[@ApostateApostle]

Mister Laman Lemuel approves of this message. John I love you so much man, but we need you to work on your times tables.

[@sharonpurcell7588]

So not only were early mormons duped but they are still being duped

[@carolynsherman3439]

Fascinated by Egyptology

1:13:32 😂

[@corinnefowler4095]

Did he ever get a kidney?

[@susanhaney3437]

Sadly, no, he passed away.

[@corinnefowler4095]

@@susanhaney3437 I am sorry he didn't!!

[@xyz7572]

@@susanhaney3437 I’m so sad to hear this. He was a good man. May he rest well, and be welcomed by Osiris into the afterlife.

[@mouthymormonmetalhea]

Ok. So I just finished watching this and the other 2 parts. I should probably leave my comment on part 2 as per the point I want to bring up. First of all I'd like to say that this is where I got the clarification on the other "lion couch documents" lds apologists use, as per mentioned in part one. I'd like to pull an RFM here and try to award Joseph Smith on the men becoming gods and plurality of Gods in the sense of Dr. Ritner's explanation of what the book of the dead or the book of breathings is all about. It could be loosely reconsiled that Joseph Smith hit the head on the nail theologically about resurrection and judgement, although many religions have these ideas. And the point was made that christianity probably inherited these concepts. I'd like to see Dr. Rintner's response to the claims of Zeitgeist the movie. A lot of college students were watching that back in 2008ish. But in any case let's give Joseph Smith a 0.5 on the King Follett discourse and the parallels with the Egyptian understanding of the afterlife in part 2 and peace out.

[@noont3447]

I appreciate the content, But John, this DRAGGED. You and rfm constantly made Dr. Ritner repeat himself over and over. This was very frustrating to listen to. John, you need to stop asking after every point if someone has anything else to add and just let the conversation flow into the next topic. .

[@loucisz8392]

Uh

[@lisawalker1390]

Have you considered that the reason to cut off/destroy noses was to further the idea that Egyptians were Caucasoid rather than Negroid? These were BLACK people!

[@xyz7572]

The nose/snout was cut off of the god Anubis (who has black fur and the head of a jackal), for the simple reason that there is no jackal-headed saint or deity in Christian tradition so having his image remain untouched would have led to questions. You can still see remainder of the snout and teeth on the copper plate, where the person who cut it away didn’t fully remove it but just hacked at it enough to stop it from making an imprint when the plate was used as a stamp. And FYI, Egyptians aren’t black. All Africans don’t look like black Americans. The American concept of black and white and Asian and Latino as distinct groups is very stilted and doesn’t reflect the real world outside of the US. African doesn’t equate “black”. Egyptians don’t look anything like the people of for example Zimbabwe or Somalia. Americans have bashed several actors in mummy movies for “being white people pretending to be Africans” even though they’re actually Egyptian actors, just because Egyptians don’t look the way Americans think African people should look like.

[@Maisiewuppp]

@@xyz7572My husband’s country is in Africa and he has the same complexion as an Italian or a Greek. Skin colour becomes darker in sub Saharan Africa. Egypt is not in this region but neighbouring countries are.