Moshe Idel on Psychedelics and Mystical Experiences

[@SeekersofUnity]

Watch the full interview: kzbin.info/www/bejne/lXW5fGuYlqeMj7c

[@David_Lo_Pan]

Psychedelics legit saved my life after the military.

[@TheSarahJane33]

Thank you for your service and I am so glad you are here with us. Psychedelics saved my life too! 🙌🏼

[@channel_---]

God is good 🙌

[@SorayaAzizSouleymane]

I love his open-mindedness. Maybe he didn't feel anything because his focus on observing the experience (almost in a scientific way) rather than experiencing the mystical experience. The key to the experience, IMHO, is to desire attainment.

[@AtticusEdwards]

I’ve had the exact same experience with psychedelics: I had had powerful religious/mystical emotions as early as three years old, as well as throughout my life, and when I finally tried psychedelics as an adult- and I tried good doses of them on like seven different occasions- they only got in the way to reaching that same feeling with which I had already been deeply familiar since childhood. Psychedelics seemed to block off mystical experience with wild noise and fury. I’ve always taken a liberal view of psychedelics, and still do, but since then I’ve honestly felt pretty bad for/ frustrated with those whose insisted go-to means for religious experience is just to do drugs. And I know so, so many people like who conflate religious experience with psychedelic experience. To me, relying on drugs as a primary resource for religious experience is like insisting on keeping the training wheels on your bike because you can’t seem to keep your balance without them at first. Religious feeling is a muscle: exercise it sufficiently, and psychedelics, like training wheels, will just feel like they’re getting in the way- you’ll realize that your own mind unencumbered can take you way higher than any dose of DMT or psilocybin can.

[@TheSarahJane33]

I grew up on the church and can remember my first mystical experience when I was 5. I dedicated my life to God when I was 7. My father was a preacher and his congregation was legalist in many ways. I rebelled against the dogma and asked too many questions in Sunday school. But when my dad left us when I was 13, my rebellion kicked into over drive. I turned away from church and even denied God for many years. Left home when I was 16 and made many dangerous and harmful choices for myself. I was placed on SSRIs for over a decade and realized I was in an even worse off place once I was in my 20s. I had never though or even considered doing any psychedelics my entire life, but one day I was sitting in my office at work, feeling completely useless, drained and like I could end everything and it would be better and I was listening to Paul Stamets on a podcast and he shared his experiences and knowledge about psilocybin. I had never researched or looked anything up about it before, it was just the next episode in the podcast I was listening to. Two days later, my friend asked me if I’d like to try some mushrooms…the timing was uncanny, so I went for it. The Holy Spirit filled me and I had a spiritual awakening. I was infilled with understanding of the scripture I had grown up with but was forced to interpret according to the church’s dogma. I was given Knowledge and information that I still don’t know how to communicate properly. I haven’t taken an SSRI in over 6 years and I never will again. God created medicine for those that need it. I didn’t search for it, but it found me and I thank God every day that it did. Many people are irresponsible and disrespectful to much of God’s creation, but that can never stop God performing miracles with them. 🙇🏻‍♀️

[@TheSarahJane33]

I will say that my husband is very much similar to feeling they aren’t necessary and he didn’t feel anything. I think he was born awake 😆 I don’t think they’re necessary for everyone, but they are for some.

[@AtticusEdwards]

@@TheSarahJane33 Well put! I’m glad psychedelics have had such a momentous uplifting effect on your life!!

[@TheSarahJane33]

@@AtticusEdwardsme too! Only God knows where I’d be if I hadn’t been guided and then actually listened. It breaks my heart for people who just do it for fun because if they opened their heart to God and Truth, the great work would begin for them. But we’re all on our path in life and whatever those people experience with them, it will teach them something and that “something” will be a stone on their path in Life; which leads us all to God, in the end. Thank you for sharing your experience and I wish you all the best and highest Blessings 🙏🏼

[@genghisgalahad8465]

I'm going to happily say the Professor Moshe Idel in all his wisdom and experience was "immune" as you say perhaps jocularly, simply because he has achieved a state of badassness, in study and life's work, that one can only aspire to, and he did so naturally without assist! He's already elevated, so it wouldn't have been something new! That's my personal guess! That and the substances would be like, oh, his receptors are already on that tier! He's good! 🎉 🌌!

[@Teleturniej_Teletuleja]

It's really weird he didn't feel "anything" (2:00) on psychedelics. Even if he's already "enlightened", he should at least experience some physiological side effects like increased heart rate or changes in perception like blurry or distorted vision. Bit sus.

[@madsenketty]

Prolepsis (All knowing G-d) exists within the Substance of Keter where all queries are posited. Substance, as Active Intellect Overflows into the Metaphysical Realm responding to earlier posited queries. 2:36

[@Bildgesmythe]

What an interesting man.

[@madsenketty]

0:00 Yup, you got that right! Prolepsis is the Mystics ETA ;)

[@madsenketty]

An aside: ok, Webster I’ll check out page 2:36 (Prolepsis 💭, time stamp, from my previous comment) Voilà! Opened Webster with One turn onto page 236! 😂 2:36 🤩 Who did that?

[@madsenketty]

Reality exists in an intangible realm … there are no shortcuts, just aping - go figure 0:00

[@mattzeigler110]

Drugs have zero to due with mystical experiences. Whether you do DMT, LSD, cocaine or beer means you're having a DMT, LSD, cocaine or beer experience. And I'll never understand why a academic is being asked about mystic experiences, that he's never had. But, of course, he knows everything about them. Not a narcissist at all, he could certainly have had them if he'd felt like it🙄😒