Mossberg Patriot 7 PRC Ammo Test - Amazing Results!

[@lylewalters909]

ok I know this sounds crazy but shooting copper bullets after you have shot normal billets( lead, cup & core) makes the copper bullets inaccurate!! Suggestions...clean that barrel so the lands are extremely clean and then shoot the copper bullets. might be a good informative video.Or I. just completely nuts, and it's only my rifle that problem.

[@ReviewThisThing]

That would be an interesting thought.

[@scunter8669]

​@@ReviewThisThingRon spomer says this exact thing and then the backfire channel proved it. For some reason all copper bullets have accuracy issues if shot after bonded bullets without cleaning first.

[@ReviewThisThing]

@scunter8669 👍🏻

[@ReviewThisThing]

@user1ix22 yeah. They seem to be quite finicky

[@TODinWY]

Best way to get true barrel length. Buy a 1/4" hardwood dowel rod next time you go to HD. With bolt cocked (firing pin retracted) feed it down the bore to the bolt face. Mark the muzzle on the rod with a pencil. Remove the rod and measure away. No chance of damaging anything using a wood rod. It goes without saying... MAKE SURE the firearm is unloaded! Apologies to you small- bore shooters.

[@ReviewThisThing]

Great info. Thanks!

[@ethanhenry5873]

The problem isnt that hornady is optimistic on velocity, its that their box data is simply unattainable. Numerous videos on YT where people use 24-26 inch barrels and still fall more than 100 fps short. Thats unacceptable and Hornady, you ought to be ashamed. Fix this.

[@ReviewThisThing]

Do they ever post what rifles they use?

[@ethanhenry5873]

@@ReviewThisThing They do. I've seen it from various manufacturers: Browning, Savage, Ruger, HCR, Christensen, and Mossberg notably. Both with carbon fiber and steel barrels too.

[@ReviewThisThing]

@ethanhenry5873 👍🏻👍🏻

[@masone4589]

Factory ammo velocities have been extremely disappointing. I haven’t seen any rifles coming close to the box listed numbers. Hornady should address this.

[@ReviewThisThing]

Makes me wonder what rifles they use to test!

[@eddielombera5862]

You’re not going to get 3000fps without a 26in barrel

[@ReviewThisThing]

@eddielombera5862 sounds about right!

[@kurtissmith4555]

My 175 eldx only ran @ 2750 out of the box , but somehow they make some of the most accurate factory stuff out there , iv seen so many people group crazy tight with the precision hunter

[@eddielombera5862]

@@kurtissmith4555 eldx is an accurate bullet. 2750 is disappointing though, it’s pretty much what 7rem mag 175gr get at the factory. What barrel length is your 7prc?

[@jamessammann9183]

I'm shooting a custom 7prc. With.26 inch barell and 6 inch can shooting 175 grain.at 3100fps both guns .31.to 35. With a 4.5 by 30 scope . I had a mossberg 6.5.prc it shot good but just didn't like stock and trigger ..but good shooting girl

[@ReviewThisThing]

Oh, man. That sounds like a sweet rig!

[@jamessammann9183]

@ReviewThisThing both gun shoot one has a 20x athlon one has vortex razor lht..both moa

[@ReviewThisThing]

@jamessammann9183 heck yeah

[@Eye_Guard]

Nice shootin'! From what I've seen here in videos, I like that eld-x bullet. If ya ever handload take a look at Berger Hybrid bullets and their heaviest the 195 gr in 7mm. I'd bet that soon if not already factory ammo 7 prc and Berger Hybrids will be (or are) available. The 7 prc just screams Rocky Mountain Elk to me. Makes me miss my 300 Win Mag and the bull elk I've taken with it, here in the Rocky's 👌

[@ReviewThisThing]

Thanks! Those bullets do seem to get pretty solid reviews. Thank you for the info.

[@ArpexOfficial]

I have 2 seekins ph2 in 7mm prc. Don’t have time to load some rounds to break them in, so I bought one of each of those 3 boxes you tried plus a box of the weatherby with hammer 177 gr bullets.

[@ReviewThisThing]

What were your results?

[@ArpexOfficial]

@@ReviewThisThing I shall find out this weekend if the rain gives me a break lol

[@ReviewThisThing]

@ArpexOfficial haha. Nice. I look forward to it.

[@ArpexOfficial]

@@ReviewThisThing I was able to go out to the range yesterday. I’ll send you my results on Instagram.

[@ReviewThisThing]

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@patrioticguy1791]

I have a bergara HMR with a 24-in barrel and the 175 precision hunters only gave me 2840 fps. I think the 3000 is wishful thinking. I don't know if it would even pull that on a 26-in barrel.

[@ReviewThisThing]

It sure seems that way, huh. Thanks

[@codytaylor2194]

I have the browning xbolt pro carbon and I've tried the outfitters and it shot 1.5 moa at 100...I shoot precision hunters I regularly get .5 -3/4 groups every time ...I have yet to try the match but after this it got me curious lol

[@ReviewThisThing]

It’s crazy, right?

[@Dedicatedoutdoors]

I am really impressed with the accuracy of this rifle. have a Mossberg Patriot 7prc with the regular brown stock and blued action/barrel. I added a Salmon Rivers Solution 4port brake on it. I did essentially the same ammo test you did the first time out at the range in 3 shot groups. First three groups were .601moa (Hornady Hunter Precision ELX), .761moa (Hornady Match ELM), and .675moa (Hornady Outfitter CX). Only time will tell if the groups stay tight. I left photos and a review on the Sportsmans Warehouse since that is where I purchased it.

[@ReviewThisThing]

I saw that review! Impressive groups for sure. I was especially impressed with your CX group. We may have to give that one another shot sometime. Thank you!

[@elkhuntr2816]

Hornady admitted they had to change powders on precision hunter ammo due to the powder shortage. No one is getting 3000 fps. Not sure how they can get away with not updating the box (false advertising).

[@ReviewThisThing]

Ahhhh. That’s interesting.

[@nocomments1155]

Pretty good girl. At least you use a vise. When I see bi-pods, i turn off. Maybe a video on vises. Ha, ha. You got potential.

[@ReviewThisThing]

😁 I appreciate you watching!

[@chadhaupt472]

I own the same rifle and it's shoots amazing! It's a 24inch barrel unless you cut the barrel

[@ReviewThisThing]

Hm…maybe we measured wrong.

[@charlesmullins3238]

Damn if that first group wasn’t a deusey…I got some 143eldx blems from midway I dialed to 2950fps and ol waypoint prc put ‘em in .7” 2 in same hole…my 25yr old Walmart simmons may be the weak link though…lol..glue let go on focus ring finally…razor lht be what I put back on it

[@edburash7656]

I have a custom built 7prc with a 24” barrel and all 3 Hornady loads shot around 2900 fps from my rifle. Groups were horrible. Well over 1 inch. I tried the Federal 175 eldx and the velocity was around 2940ish with 1/2” groups. Since I handload I found sub 1/2” loads with 168 lrx, 180 Berger vld and 160 nosler accubonds. The 168 lrx and 180 vld run just under 2900 and the 160 accubond runs at 3000 fps. They all shoot groups that you can cover with a penny without seeing any tears. The Hornady ammo is terrible.

[@ReviewThisThing]

Man! Sounds like you figured the load out! Nice work!

[@edburash7656]

@@ReviewThisThing Allterra arms has a video where they pull bullets from 3 different lots of Precison Hunter ammo for 7prc and it’s all different powder from each lot. Weatherby is loading 7prc ammo now. Might be worth trying a video to see how much faster it is than the Hornady.

[@ReviewThisThing]

@@edburash7656 that's crazy! I've heard a couple of other people say something similar. We might need to see if we can find some!

[@clayp520]

Federal, Remington, and Weatherby also make 7 PRC ammo.

[@ReviewThisThing]

About 2 days after we filmed this video, we actually found a box of Federal! So...that video is coming soon. I didn't realize Weatherby made some too, now! Thanks!

[@Accuracy1st]

@@ReviewThisThing For that Weatherby ammo, hope your wallet is fat. 😁

[@ReviewThisThing]

@derekmcmurry4263 oh man. I haven’t even seen it. How much?

[@Accuracy1st]

@@ReviewThisThing so much that your wallet should be considered exogenous obese - like mega PHAT, credit cards with high limits, lots of bills. Any ammo by weatherby nearly requires selling a child, 3rd mortgage on a house, and parting with all of your jewelry. And that's just to hold a box of 20 in your hand. Once you get to the register, you'll need all of the above and a lot of prayer your CC isn't declined😃

[@clayp520]

$100

[@TomL3grandsons]

I’ve been hearing if you are going to shoot copper, that you need to give the barrel a major cleaning before hand for best results.

[@ReviewThisThing]

That sure seems to be the case. Although, if you watched out .308 Copper video - it didn’t make much difference! kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXbNm5Ztg7p4bK8si=aipVPRXnGFEbCgZF

[@Accuracy1st]

That's on new barrels because bullets like Barnes and Swift Scirocco are solid copper bullets/jackets

[@ReviewThisThing]

👍🏻👍🏻

[@williamgoldston5803]

Great video. Good to see the Mossberg do well.

[@ReviewThisThing]

Thank you! It was a fun one. Check this one out, too. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4HYkKevnNWYfMUsi=BA8NO-gGPASdUs1V

[@sinistersilverado965]

I just bought my 7mm PRC haven't shot it yet

[@ReviewThisThing]

Which rifle?

[@sinistersilverado965]

Howa 1500 @@ReviewThisThing

[@ReviewThisThing]

@@sinistersilverado965 Oooh. Let me know what you think.

[@jcjustice3786]

I think you should have cleaned the barrel before shooting cx bullets since they are copper. Try cleaning barrel first then shoot cx bullets then the others

[@ReviewThisThing]

We may have to try that.

[@HotepSaoirse]

@@ReviewThisThingThis is actually factual. I can’t remember why atm moment but it has something to do with the lead and copper fouling

[@ReviewThisThing]

Thanks!

[@Accuracy1st]

Hornady CX are copper alloy. Barnes are solid copper

[@ReviewThisThing]

@derekmcmurry4263 👍🏻👍🏻

[@Accuracy1st]

Just a suggestion, and CLEARLY you can shoot, but a LOT of people cradle the rifle offset like you do. It would be better for you to shoot rifles with a shorter LOP (around 12.5") and center the recoil pad mid clavicle/pec muscle, squaring your body perpendicular to the rifle. Positioning offset like that, over time, is bad for the glenohumeral joint and labrum. I've seen a number of patients over the years develop shoulder problems as a consequence of shooting offset as a contributing cause. Way too many people compensate for standard LOP rifles when many need it much shorter, especially when bundling up in heavy camo when it's cold. They practice during warmer months in t-shirts, then wonder why the sight picture is so small in the scope at full magnification during a hunt when it's 8 degrees and they have layers of clothes on. Then they have to extend the neck much closer just to see full field of view Regarding 7PRCs: I have 4. Two in my possession, one sold and on it's way to Cali. The 4th just shipped today from SD. Like the rest of us, it's new to me. I have developed handloads for one that made a caliber sized hole with groups multiple times. But this hunting season I used factory ammo. Too much on my plate to handload more before my trips. One rifle shot the ELDM just like yours. The other shot the ELDX in Federal ammo just like your first group. So, I killed a buck and a doe same day with the ELDX ammo and a doe with the ELDM ammo. This was the first time I ever used factory "match" ammo to hunt but I have seen multiple videos where the ELDM worked fine. For me, it did and performed like any other hunting bullet. Great expansion, lung damage, and nice quarter size exit and it blew through one shoulder Regarding Mossberg rifles. The Patriot seems to be excellent or garbage w/o much gray area. You got a good one. And I've heard of a lot of people having excellent results but I think it depends on the cartridge. I watched Jim on Backfire channel and his extreme issues with his Mossberg Patriot in 308. Turns out that my deer processor couldn't hit a 3'x3' box at 200 yards with his but could group great with his 30-30. He asked me to check out his 308 and see what I could do. After testing 7 different factory ammo and 3 handloads known to work well in 308 I couldn't get better than 3-4" groups. Ultimately I told him my thoughts, especially that Mossberg offers no accuracy guarantee (very unusual now), and he should go trade it in on a Tikka. He decided to keep it since he killed his first deer with it on my dad's property but he did buy a Tikka T3x in 270 that shoots sub MOA with just about everything. I think Mossberg uses junk reamers in 308 when chambering their barrels. Fired brass had 10 thousands expansion which is not even in the realm of reasonableness. BUT, the Hornady cartridges, such as the PRCs and Creedmoors are newer, thus, newer reamers and Mossberg had to buy theirs just like everyone else and likely got high quality ones. I think that is a reason why so many of their Patriots in the Hornady cartridges seem to shoot better. Finally, according to Mossberg's website, your rifle has a 24" barrel.

[@ReviewThisThing]

Wow. Thank you. Great information all around. I appreciate it.

[@NeshotaValley]

Excellent shooting! .25 MOA to start your day! I have the exact same 7PRC predator and interestingly it shoots exact opposite of yours. It will put the 160CX into the same hole, but the ELDX and ELDM will be 1-1.75 MOA. Just goes to show even the exact same guns from the same manufacturing run will end up with a different preference. I also have a 6.5PRC predator that is also insane with factory 140 fusion. These two guns make me sick because they out-shoot all the more expensive rifles in my cabinet. I have/had most all of the budget friendly competitors to this gun, CVA, Savage, Ruger, ect. and a lot of them shoot great too, but for a weatherproof, good cycling, easy loading/top load magazine, threaded, and accurate hunting machine, these are my favorites. Thanks for your great reviews!

[@ReviewThisThing]

Amen to all of that! That’s what makes it so infuriating but so dang fun all at the same time! 😊

[@bradh74]

The last Patriot rifle they put out shot the worst groups, nobody could find ammo to make it shoot a 2 MOA group, so that rifle did well, hopefully they figured something out because they were a great company. Love my Mossberg 500.

[@ReviewThisThing]

It seems they have with this one anyway!

[@m71win]

Nowhere on that ELD-M box does it say anything about a 24"barrel, to get those listed velocities you are looking at 29" barrel minimum.

[@ReviewThisThing]

Oh wow!

[@gmass7238]

I don't feel your review is complete because you didn't give an ammo cost per box .... thanks for the rest of the review ...

[@ReviewThisThing]

Ahhhh. Not a bad point. Thanks for watching!

[@brinkerhoff8]

I couldn't get the CX ammo to group either

[@ReviewThisThing]

Sounds like they need to rework that one.

[@ArpexOfficial]

They shoot well in my Ruger American and also in my friend’s. Consistent under 1 moa at 100 yards.

[@ReviewThisThing]

@ArpexOfficial in 7 PRC?

[@diggernash1]

Good cartridge. I got a patriot in 7 PRC at the end of '22, because it is the first I could find. I put it in an Oryx chassis and made a fun shooter out of it. It let me play around with reloading 7 PRC. Mine likes PH best, followed by Outfitter, and then Match. I've had pretty good luck loading the Hornady ELD Match bullets just a little lighter than the Hornady factory loads.

[@ReviewThisThing]

Heck yeah! Sounds awesome!

[@Mr.Run-n-Gun]

What's the weight of the chassis and barreled action? I've looked at doing this for a hunting rifle...

[@diggernash1]

@@Mr.Run-n-Gun 12.6 lbs without tripod and with an EC tuner muzzle brake. I have hunted with it from box blinds; works well in those situations. I have an ARCA rail and bag slider on it that adds a little weight. That includes a 5-25 34mm tube scope that weighs around 2 lbs.

[@ronws2007]

I got the Patriot Predator 7 PRC cerakote and never fired in the stock. The gap in the rear action screw guide bothers me. So, I put it in an Oryx chassis and Vortex Venom 5-25X56 scope. 3 shot grouping (I am a hunter) with the PH 175 gr EL-X was .61 inches (.58 MOA). I have not tried the CX 160 gr or the ELD-M 180 gr.

[@ReviewThisThing]

@ronws2007 heck yeah. I need to take a look at those Oryx. Have you used them before?

[@usafret4709]

So, I am recoil sensitive. I shoot a 308 with a brake or suppressor without issue. How is the recoil? Looks like a push straight back vs. a jump.

[@ReviewThisThing]

With that Area 419 Hellfire brake, it’s super manageable.

[@jamessammann9183]

Very low recoil with can ..but that gun is light and plastic

[@ReviewThisThing]

@@jamessammann9183 I haven't shot it with the can, just the brake.

[@jamessammann9183]

@ReviewThisThing both of mine 7 prc feel like a 223 recoil with a can no.hearing needed. I shoot long range almost daily

[@ReviewThisThing]

@jamessammann9183 nice! Which can are you using???

[@markphillips9454]

The 7 prc doesn't generate the speed hornady claims it does.

[@ReviewThisThing]

Makes me wonder what rifles they’re using.

[@fredfeed4766]

Nice shooting. I was blown away at the cost of the Tetra hearing protection. Have you done a review of them yet. They are more then most of my guns I own.

[@ReviewThisThing]

Thank you! Yep - the review actually goes live next Sunday. They definitely aren’t cheap, so they aren’t for everyone for sure. They’re pretty awesome, though.

[@steverutkowski8141]

Always appreciated. I believe others are making the 7PRC now so maybe a chapter 2? Very disappointed in Hornady velocities. I get the PRC was new and the Marketing needed to out preform the 7mm REM Mag but most are getting 140 to 180 FPS less than stated by then or hyped on KZbin.

[@ReviewThisThing]

I wonder what length barrel they are using? Someone else suggested they’d have to be using a 26” barrel for their testing to get those numbers.

[@steverutkowski8141]

@@ReviewThisThing - Thinking 24s but not sure here? I don’t have a box with me now to validate. I wish Hornady would publish hunting rifle specs on hunting ammunition. 26 for the match grade is legit. Thinking 22 or 24 for the hunting? Also the 419 seems like it is working for you.

[@ReviewThisThing]

@steverutkowski8141 I LOVE the brake! It’s amazing

[@liverpool6380]

🇺🇸🔥🥃

[@ReviewThisThing]

Appreciate the support!

[@ethanhenry5873]

My problem is: when there is only 3 loadings available, a rifle HAS to shoot them all well. This is not satisfactory accuracy or consistency. Not to mention Hornady just lies about velocity at this point. I have not seen anybody get box ammo even close to their called velocity.

[@ReviewThisThing]

There are actually a few more factory loads now. We have a video with the Federal coming soon!

[@ethanhenry5873]

@@ReviewThisThing I look forward to that

[@Accuracy1st]

Why does a rifle HAVE to shoot all 3 loads available and shoot them well? I've never subscribed to this. Typically I pick a bullet and start handloading. If I'm choosing factory ammo, I've tried up to 3 or even 4 and if even one shoots to my satisfaction I go buy more of it with the same LOT number if available.

[@ReviewThisThing]

Soon!

[@HotepSaoirse]

0:45 Federal makes 7mm PRC in their Terminal Ascent line and, don't know if you would count these as factory ammo, Choice and Copper Creek makes it as well The CX load is the same length and the ELD-X. It was just lazy load dev by Hornady I believe.

[@ReviewThisThing]

We actually found a Federal load a couple of days after we filmed this -‘that video is coming!

[@Accuracy1st]

I've not seen Fed Term Ascent yet but have seen Fed brand with Hornady ELD-X bullets. I have a bunch - nickel brass. Also, according to whoteewho, Remington is making 7PRC ammo, if I recall correctly, with a 160 "Cut" ammo/bullet. But their bullet is the Hornady CX bullet with a green tip

[@ReviewThisThing]

@derekmcmurry4263 we have the regular federal - video coming soon!!!

[@OutsidetheEchochamber]

Scheels had the terminal ascent in stock

[@ReviewThisThing]

How much?

[@Drakehilt]

I was going to buy one of those soon. Maybe not. The one I have in 6.5 Creedmoor shoots like that first group, but with every ammo I've put in it

[@ReviewThisThing]

That’s awesome. This is our first Mossberg rifle, and we’re impressed.

[@Drakehilt]

@@ReviewThisThing I do love mine. 7PRC is the next caliber I'm interested in. Might go with the new CVA LR hunter

[@ReviewThisThing]

@Drakehilt we’ll hopefully get to see one in a few weeks. I’m looking at the Bergara Sierra 😁😁

[@Accuracy1st]

@@Drakehilt CVA rifles have Bergara barrels, which are button rifled. The late Ed Shilen, of Shilen barrels, trained them in Spain. Just my recommendation, if you plan on a 7PRC, get a Bergara, CVA, or Ruger. The latter has hammer forged barrels and they seem to be excellent for the most part. From what I've seen, Mossberg seems to be a gamble generally speaking, unless you buy one chambered in one of the Hornady cartridges

[@ReviewThisThing]

I didn’t know that about Shilen

[@seetownwv]

I haven't grouped yet, having mine threaded but with a 22 inch barrel 3 shots of 180 ELDM which say 2975 with 24 inch barrel. Averaged 2810.......pretty disappointing.

[@ReviewThisThing]

Others have said that they haven’t seen anyone get close to the box numbers. Makes you wonder if it’s a rifle issue or a pretty strong over advertisement

[@seetownwv]

@@ReviewThisThing Yeah I have seen on several forums when the ammo first came out people were getting the velocity or close to. So I think the working theory is change in propellant. Alliant RL 26 shows fastest in the book but any Alliant powder is extremely rare now. So it would make sense if they are using a different powder. I seen a article from Federal where they use Alliant powder which make sense being a sister company. I'd like to try the Federal 175 vs Hornady 175 just to see.

[@steveelder5306]

@@seetownwv if you lose 50 fps per inch of barrel you're pretty much there for advertised velocity. once you have shot a couple hundred rounds you should be doing over 2850. that's what it should be. it's disappointing. that's what my Bergara 7prc 22" does. it was hyped to easily do 3000 with a 175 gr bullet. it don't. mine is getting the same velocity as yours. I'm going to handled but still getting the components together. good luck.

[@ReviewThisThing]

@steveelder5306 thanks for that info!

[@seetownwv]

@steveelder5306 Ferderal 155s box says 3100 for 24 inch barrel. My 18 inch barrel averaged 3,000. Federal using much better propellant.

[@Hondayo77]

you should try a 6.8 western they are awesome

[@ReviewThisThing]

Which rifle??

[@Hondayo77]

@ReviewThisThing I have the winchester xpr extreme in midnight camo comes with a brake and tungsten cerakote. Pretty cool looking gun. I'm a big fan of the 6.8 and hope it grows. Hornady is not supporting it at all

[@ReviewThisThing]

Ooooooh. I’ve had my eye on that one! Good groups?

[@Hondayo77]

@@ReviewThisThing I'm getting 3/4 inch with factory ammo. The browning silver 170 grain sp

[@ReviewThisThing]

@Hondayo77 well that’s awesome

[@mr.mr.3301]

Mossberg seems so hit and miss on KZbin for accuracy. I’ve not seen good results with cx for accuracy.

[@ReviewThisThing]

It’s crazy how accurate this one has been - very consistently. I’m glad I’m not the only one having trouble with the CX!

[@mr.mr.3301]

@@ReviewThisThing backfire channel had all sorts of issues with their mossberg with several videos. I suspect modern prc/ creedmore cartridges are easier to make accurate.

[@ReviewThisThing]

Several people have said that about @Backfire Maybe it is the caliber? But we’ve been super impressed!

[@Off-target-xy6bx]

Is this the only mossberg patriot you have tested and does the others shoot well??

[@ReviewThisThing]

It’s the only one we’ve ever shot. Sorry about that!

[@Off-target-xy6bx]

@@ReviewThisThing Thx 😊

[@ReviewThisThing]

@Off-target-xy6bx 👍🏻👍🏻

[@Accuracy1st]

If you are considering a Mossberg Patriot, be VERY prepared to trade it in on something else. They seem to be a go or no go brand depending on which cartridge you get, not much gray area with them. There are many other budget rifles that consistently outperform the Mossberg brand

[@ethanhenry5873]

A lot of KZbinrs have had problems. I would steer clear and consider the Savage/Ruger options at your price point.

[@sokoand]

A three shot group (which is a TWO-shot group if you do not care for the point of impact) is statistically insignificant. Shoot enough 3-shot groups and some of them will be very small. But it does not nessecary mean that the rifle likes that load. You just get lucky that time. All you can say from this video is that Mossberg Patriot (or Rifle/Shooter/Scope system) is not a very accurate.

[@ReviewThisThing]

We appreciate you watching!

[@jeremyalmon]

Patiently waiting for you to post a 5 shot group video of your Mossberg 7 PRC @sokoand

[@ReviewThisThing]

Ya never know.

[@ReviewThisThing]

😁😁

[@OutsidetheEchochamber]

So many regurgitating backfires nonsense