Most Hated Playstyles in Super Smash Bros

A compilation of the absolute most hated playstyles in Smash, from players camping the ledge the entire game to try to get a timeout, to salt-inducing wobbling, and more of the most salt-inducing playstyles in Super Smash Bros!
Despite some of these playstyles being very effective, they're considered by many to be strongly against the spirit of the game, and extremely boring to play against.
Here I've compiled moments where these strategies are used to great effect, usually causing salt from the person unlucky enough to be playing against it.
PS: I'm planning on potentially making another one of these in the future, so if there was a clip you expected to see in here (like Hungrybox vs Chudat, or Hungrybox vs Mango) don't worry, it'll most likely be in the next one!
Thanks for watching!
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[@LunarDuskSSBM]

Yo that was a tight headset-throw cancel at the end

[@PassTheSnails]

There would have been too much lag, he woulda got punished

[@frogerzard6606]

I'm pretty sure when he threw his controller it hit him in the face after it bounced back

[@FloppyDiisk]

Pretty sure that was a chair-cancel.

[@lestacilo]

KENNYYYYYY!!!!!

[@bonelesscommunism4031]

Cvo777 ye the recovery on the move is insane for how low damage of a projectile it is

[@NexZt9472]

the guy who plays as the ice climbers pissed me off

[@coldplay261021]

Definitely.

[@Sleeepy.]

I hear a lot of people say that Dizz is a really nice guy. I haven't seen him play since wobbling got universally banned, but maybe we'll end up seeing him start to actually do cool stuff?

[@chaocobojun2098]

@@Sleeepy. Wow, he’s such a loser that he literally quit the game when they banned a blatant glitch/exploit that has no counter? That’s hilarious and extremely sad. That’s like going to a pokemon tournament with a Gameshark and then quitting Pokémon as a whole when they tell you you can’t use your hacked Pokémon.

[@alanreza9377]

@@Sleeepy. being a good guy has nothing to do with playing in a rat way

[@AJax4123]

That ain’t skill, that’s spam

[@nicholasmagliano5145]

Shout out to GimR to running an ad mid-match. A hilarious and clever way to make something out of a ledgestall.

[@JSeigal92]

First killing time in a stalled match, then killing PM

[@snoopyguy21]

The ad was more entertaining than the match.

[@noforwhat5767]

@@snoopyguy21 TRUEEE

[@MegaSlapster]

CHEDDAAAAR

[@austingordon7x12]

So who ended up winning? I was a little confused

[@EtienneYT]

That Sonic Vs. Wario match gave me an aneurysm.

[@PLANETNAMIC]

ohai etienne

[@thiccnicc6601]

A very slow one

[@NCozy]

Bruh any Sonic vs Wario match gives you an aneuriysm

[@Jeremy-dk8tz]

Poor Tweek

[@ayyOrca]

Oh shit etienne

[@fakename2234]

I love how 99% of the clips are camping and then there’s bayonetta doing bayonetta things

[@FurryBayo]

Well bayonetta didnt really kill Sm4sh. It was the toxic fanbase of Smash. With Bayonetta and Sm4sh's Ridiculously slow Launch speed, it was easy for Bayonetta to pull off combos. But if Bayonetta was truly Broken than MKLeo wouldve lost his title as the best smash player to some random bayonetta main

[@glueman7761]

@@FurryBayo u mean zero

[@FurryBayo]

@@glueman7761 what? Zero lost his Title to MKLeo. And now MK is an overweight, toxic, self indulgent jerk. Hes literally letting his title go to his head.

[@glueman7761]

@@FurryBayo u were talking about smash 4 and zero was the best smash 4 player and mained diddy kong, I don’t see MKleo as relevant to the topic of smash 4. Yes he’s better than zero in ultimate but zero was the best smash 4 player and is a better example as to why bayonetta didn’t break smash 4 because he didn’t main her and was still the best

[@FurryBayo]

@@glueman7761 umm... oh boy. You dont know about when Zero lost to MK

[@timeparadox999]

camping with sonic is a lot more watchable when critikal is roasting them the whole time

[@YeetZmeN]

If I could have Critikal talking shit about campers during every match with a camper, then I’d gladly sit and play online against a laggy Sonic or Isabelle.

[@scuffed2597]

Critikal for moisture master smash comms

[@crussteasock4047]

I cant stand his voice

[@garglemonster4697]

Lol smash ultimate is shit bc of campy players like sonix. You see the luigi who won this weekend? Boring asf fight lol games trash. I remember having an amazing time watching critikals tourney streams funny that you hate this when it was one of the last good streams b4 pedos took the scene

[@Crowbar1225]

Don't you mean Keemstar?

[@bignards3]

i legit hate the fact that captain awesum acted salty after losing, even though you know he knew he had no right to be

[@GregInTechnicolor]

Because people were shouting shit at him for trying to win.

[@GregInTechnicolor]

Garuntee you if that wasnt Larry Lurr and his crew behind him along with fans, the crowd wouldnt have been as large and vocal as it was by the stage.

[@mellomoose_]

GregInTechnicolor no chance majority hates campers

[@G0on]

@@GregInTechnicolor People were only cheering for Larry so hard because they hate captainawesum's playstyle.

[@owainraysor5108]

@@GregInTechnicolor LMFAO dude watch any hbox match where he wins by camping, he gets the same reaction. people generally don't like campy playstyles.

[@timothyledet9454]

“timing someone out on wifi is like a child killing a bird”

[@sniddler9114]

Okay but they all had to think before saying which is worse

[@mohamedbelbaali659]

timing someone on wifi whit sonic is worst

[@TreebeardXIV]

@@sniddler9114 s n o w f l a k e : ^ )

[@bladefox5082]

@@TreebeardXIV d u m b a s s : ^ )

[@johnrodrical2807]

@@bladefox5082 D O N K E Y : ^ )

[@ahmedelosta9551]

12:27 just seeing captain awesome do those faces just makes me so angry. Playing an awful camping style and acting like that is so awful.

[@StardustCrusader1995]

That’s why you look him in his eye and show him... you can beat me in a game but you can’t beat my ass irl

[@megakazuya123]

This is not a "playstyle" this is how *everyone* plays this game. This is how it is played online and in tourneys. Honestly wtf do you expect??? This is a community of trolls, weebs, SJWs, pedophiles and overall degenerates. . I love the game, but *EVERYONE* hates the smash community. The only people who like the smash community are the people in it 🤣🤣🤣

[@Shinyarc]

@@megakazuya123 based. Don’t go to a greasy nerd convention and expect people to not act like greasy nerds. Would still like to beat the shit out of CaptainAwesum tho

[@graysonwells21]

@@megakazuya123 dude i dont think you know what the smash community is

[@Risky_Boots999]

@@megakazuya123 sounds like you have some personal problems you gotta work out

[@StrawHatPuffy]

For a cool character with lots of personality, Sonic is one of the worse designed characters in smash

[@vvvaire]

even us sonic mains want a new moveset

[@jeo7773]

I love Sonic but he can be boring to even play cuz you can't approach

[@Fuyu_Arashi99]

Even if there is a new Sonic character in Smash, it would be redundant because they would have almost identical moves. Tails wouldn’t work in smash unless he gets a completely different move set.

[@Vher_]

@@vvvaire Just play a new character then

[@justinbtdbattles6284]

@@Vher_ well no sonic is doing really good in tourneys rn

[@asianpablo1574]

How does the fastest character in the game play the slowest

[@devoutdesciple]

He's too fast to the point in which he becomes slow. Integer Overflow

[@zawaray4229]

ironically Incineroar is one of the most interactive characters in the game

[@sant6182]

giving him the speed to go in with little time to react means he also has the ability to outrun everyone. Sadly it's a massive design oversight

[@joaquinantoniovillegas7410]

Best song off of “So Much Fun”?

[@qweqweewrwe23e132az]

@@joaquinantoniovillegas7410 (Wheezy outta here...) Everything we do, we own [Young Thug & Travis Scott:] Fuck a cab, let's hop off a jet (Woo, let's go, hop off a jet) 'Bout to hop off the jet (Hop off the jet, hop off the jet) I put the glow on her wrists (Yeah), I got that glow on my bitch (Yeah) I keep the drum on the TEC, hop out the Cullinan, baby (Skrrt) Won't you tell me that you tried? Hop in a McLaren, please, let's just ride Hop in a McLaren, zoom Baby, tell me why you starin', zoom, yeah Hop, hop right on a jet, uh (Yeah) Way more smoother than a plane, yeah Way more quicker than a 'Vette, uh (Yeah) Teach you how to flex, pick a chain, yeah (Hop off a jet) Bad bitch out of Marquette (Woo) Took her out of school for the brain, yeah She came around with the set Nah, really ain't no savin' (Hop on the jet) Gotta keep her mind on deck Set, check, off X, Tech mix, stress less I live careless, status atlas I pulled up global, uh I get booked, don't write books since Barnes and Noble Top two total Owner next top two logos (Woo) Flex, yes, she text mess', right on my top ten See you frequent in a place I done been You come decent, then you leave lookin' bent Got wet, we can dip (Woo, woo) Fuck a cab, let's hop on a jet (Yeah, jet, hop off a jet) Let's hop on a jet ('Bout to hop off a motherfuckin' what? Hop on the jet) I put the glow on her wrists, I got that glow on my bitch I keep the drum on the TEC, hop out the Cullinan, baby Won't you tell me that you tried? Hop in a McLaren, please, let's just ride Hop in a McLaren, zoom Baby, tell me why you starin', zoom, yeah (Tell me why you starin') [Young Thug:] Packin' that Smith & Wesson when I crave (Wait) Hop in a big body Maybach and it's glazed (Woo) Tell me why the fuck do you slay? (Ooh) Why you killin' bitches with no grave? (Yeah, hop off a jet) I got a 'Vette, breakin' her neck (Yeah, woo, hop off a jet) Drum on the TEC, engraved headrest (Hop off a jet) Just watered my wrist, baguettes, woah, you know I'm a vet (Vet) Hop off the jet with an A and a K and a three-headed snake (Yeah, yeah, hop off a jet) All of the coupes exotic and I'm ducked off with your bae (Yeah, yeah), yeah I told you my niggas don't like you, you niggas get... (Yeah, yeah), yeah Had to tell these lil' niggas my wrist and my ankle a lake, yeah (Yeah, yeah) Had to tell 'em they bitch can come get on my shit and just stay, when I hop off the jet [Young Thug & Travis Scott:] Let's hop off a jet (Let's go, hop off a jet) When I hop off the jet (When I hop off the jet, hop off the jet) I put the glow on her wrists, I got that glow on my bitch I keep the drum on the TEC, hop out the Cullinan, baby Won't you tell me that you tried? Hop in a McLaren, please, let's just ride Hop in a McLaren, zoom Baby, tell me why you starin', zoom, yeah

[@rengarlothbrok5696]

This villager player disgusted me to a level I cant describe rn.

[@shibi8473]

I'm so happy Larry got back at them lmao

[@aracuscesar]

that bro needs a slap, hard

[@Stairwayto711]

I could smell him through the video

[@gothxm]

Im glad sheik won. Especially when i saw the dude who played Villager. Friggin Dweeb and an asshole. Not a good combination lmfao.

[@neophyte_tpk]

I don't think I could finish a single one of these matches without just getting up and leaving tbh

[@saitinclock238]

Tru

[@bright.light.sights933]

That's why Ultimate online is dying

[@saitinclock238]

@Bobberypuff SSF2 sup bro It's a good thing Mario ain't included as a grimy playstyle character

[@bptnmrphy3991]

I would've punched someone's teeth in for setting the bar so low for whats considered "competitive play"

[@oscareliseoalvarez8669]

@@bright.light.sights933 why?

[@cheo1548]

i love how all the hated playstyles is about camping on the edge or a technique based on the character (wobbled) but those bayonnetas are just playing bayyoneta xD. that character killed smash 4

[@El_Andru]

I mean, what was Sakurai fucking thinking? "Yeah so this game with a high level of defense... Lets make a character which we implemented the mechanic of combos"

[@christopherhammond5142]

@@El_Andru Not just combos but easy to perform 0 to death combos from basically anywhere on the stage. If you were good enough with Bayo D.I. wouldn't even help.

[@Yoshikage8008]

@@El_Andru literally any character does not match up against Bayonetta. She's the best character in the game. A smash noob can beat a pro player with her. Even after the nerf she's still broken.

[@dddmemaybe]

At this point if you're still playing Smash 4 you either community agree to ban her or you just play her. It's like Metaknight in Brawl, now that the game's main season is over you can't complain unless it is to ban the character. You are willingly playing this game with an over-centralized top tier, if it's here it's here.

[@El_Andru]

@@christopherhammond5142 Yeah thats what I mean. In Smash its nice to say "you can combo and chain stuff" But Bayo is "We made this character with chain attacks in mind"

[@hyrulule7422]

I have soooo much respect for the guy who played Ganon against the Wobblin' cancer guy, he tried to make the set being fun. What a player, he lost in the tournament, but he won in my heart

[@FlyingRep]

imaging thinking your rise to stardom should be wobbling literally every stock. No name guy only got this far because he can wobble, what a handicap.

[@Chiitoz]

@@FlyingRep I think he quit cuz wobbling got banned lmao

[@pooperdooper3576]

That was n0ne

[@TurboSke]

I would have picked Samus to use the small bomb skill to dodge the first grab.

[@memecast2083]

A true chad

[@MixedUpColors]

How can you play like that on camera and not be embarrassed 😂

[@franksred1]

no soul

[@kyokoro_p]

Some people out there want to win no matter the cost

[@RitzMalheur]

When you dangle a few thousand dollars over someones head and they're just trying to break even from Travel Expenses, it's quite tempting. I respect the hustle, but it's such a bore to watch.

[@ken7007]

Especially in smash where u can exploit & play lame as you want with not much restriction & oversights to the gameplay

[@soupboy-yn8oz]

embarrassed for winning ok w3irdo

[@DrCoeloCephalo]

Matches where there's tons of camping are hype when the camper gets their teeth kicked in in the end. This video is also a good example of how Sonic is only hype in Project M

[@ShadowD3mon25]

The most satisfying ending you can get

[@MJBfromCCC]

There was a money match between these two players where one was talking so much shit to the other guy, while the other guy didn’t say anything. Silent guy camped out the shit talker, and people cheered for that. That is the one time I liked camping.

[@oneheckofabanana2016]

Matches with a lot of camping are hype when the camper wins.

[@IAm-zo1bo]

@@oneheckofabanana2016 shut

[@ultimaterecoil1136]

Dr. λ the Typer of Terms everyone hates campers. No one wants the camper to win. This includes Sonics and projectile spamming zoners.

[@Sorex_Tkt]

When Charlie started speaking it shook me a little.

[@piccolo54trunks2]

saaame. I just marathoned a bunch of his videos and got confused for a second

[@azureflow9972]

@@piccolo54trunks2 I think thats why it got into my recommended haha

[@kenji_1240]

4:41

[@Chcltmlk]

I haven’t finished the video yet, but I bet... I bet EVERYTHING, that Captain Awesome or whatever is on here.

[@GLOw7125]

You won that bet.

[@AverageHandle_]

An ironic name

[@nightkitty7885]

he's in my region and he still plays like that, though under a different name

[@ryansmock2717]

9:55 "Tell em to bring me my money"

[@nightkitty7885]

he plays some joker too. same exact way lol

[@JugularJohn]

Seeing people camp in the ledge of the stage for FOUR WHOLE MINUTES makes me so happy nintendo limited the amount of times we can grab the ledge in a row..

[@clarambrosia9834]

Max The Random Lepurchaun 3 for tethers

[@kcculla]

I hate camping because it's so morally unreqarding, I like winning when I earn it, which is why I like to be aggressive, also camping isn't nearly as fun as getting good combos and actually outplaying your opponent

[@legreatpenguino445]

Hellcat060 i agree. I genuinely dont get how people who camp are actually having fun with the game. Running away is just lame and boring for both players. 99% of players arent playing for a living so “win at all costs hurrr” doesn’t apply

[@Xrelent]

@@legreatpenguino445 I agree 100% but for the same reasons I hate people who throw a temper tantrum when they lose to someone who camps. Just pull a n0ne and leave. Also I don't understand why the smash community hates the idea of character bans or ledgegrab/timeout/wobbling rules. If it's optimal to play Sonic in the most cancer way possible, then make Sonic mains play one of the other 85 characters. Top players _should_ play to win, but bearing in mind 99% of their revenue comes from casuals having fun and entering the tournament and advertisements because people enjoy watching the game.

[@baltharaaz9847]

@@Xrelent Because character bans directly target a section of the playerbase and cause a significant amount of their time investment to be utterly wasted. Also, people may not ever click with another character, and their results will suffer for that. I'm all for banning characters that warp the entire metagame around them to an unhealthy degree (Bayo), but you shouldn't ban stuff that is incredibly annoying just because it has an optimal playstyle you disagree with. Sonic is a very poorly designed character with a kit that discourages interaction, but he's not destroying the entire metagame of Ultimate.

[@phantompop3192]

Is there a compilation of “people” like “CaptainAwesum” getting completely dominated?

[@Tbro2303]

Good quotation around the word people cause im not sure whether people like him are able to be considered a person.

[@phantompop3192]

@@Tbro2303 exactly. Like the clip where he got salty despite his play style. Just absolute poor sportsmanship.

[@Skrumpilicious]

@@phantompop3192 You mean the one where he still shook the dudes hand? His expression wasnt even harsh, youre just repeating what you heard other people said and adding something to it thats just not true. How is that bad sportsmanship to look slightly agitated?

[@Skrumpilicious]

@@phantompop3192 absolute poor sportmanship is when people angrily leave or rage quit their matches, spiking controllers and ignoring the other players attempt for a handshake. Thats actual bad sportmanship. Captain awesome didnt seem like a bad sport at all

[@phantompop3192]

@@Skrumpilicious you’re talking about the handshake at 11:28? Yeah I’d argue it was still poor for him to be all sad and frowny for losing. It may not be very strong emotion like when people get very angry and say, throw their controllers or scream, but it can still be viewed as poor sportsmanship.

[@adrianrenard1262]

Better tittle: When you play a fighting game but you don't fight

[@sunnyskies8412]

That's why smash isn't a fighting game lol.

[@guyfauks2576]

@@sunnyskies8412 and this is why modern fighting games suck :)

[@liamii5603]

Guy Fauks the game doesnt suck the playstyle does

[@xolotltolox7626]

@@liamii5603 the game allows the playstyle

[@verximama828]

@@xolotltolox7626 But the player has that choice to do that specific playstyle

[@lil_Fed0ra]

I love after the Villager player lost they just started going at him

[@k0rriban]

Of all competitive Smash players, CptnAwesum is the gayest.

[@Harryacorn2]

Not just all set, his entire career. The entire pro scene was waiting for the day cpr. awesum got out camped, and it finally came. Also probably why Larry popped of so hard, he’s usually way more chill when he wins sets.

[@MultiEkisDe]

Man if i were Larry, i shouldn't shake hands with that disgusting player.

[@AlejandroSantiago-kn6dg]

The Ice Climbers match really pissed me off, no talent. If that's all you pick them for that's not skill, that's cheap.

[@yummycandycup]

That made me mad too, like Ice Climbers have so much potential and you use them for that 🗿

[@tomatoman2882]

I was rooten for the othe guy, sadly he lost

[@Radiarc_]

Even after all these years, I'll never forget 8:27.

[@X9Z17]

CHEDDARRRRRRRRR

[@SoraMainSmash]

I readed "Even after all these years, I'll never FORGIVE."

[@aclonymous]

Villager with customs was so cancer.

[@maxono1465]

ahh i was wondering why the balloons exploded

[@walkinginternetstereotype80]

@@maxono1465 Exploding balloon, bigger Lloid that multihit, and sapling that tripped you. Fun times, or something like that...

[@monsterhunterdude569]

I agree customs were a cool idea but far from balanced.

[@XylessBrawl]

It had counterplay, at least. G&W with distance bucket was hard for Villager to threaten.

[@sullivans2004]

Still better than Sonic smh smh

[@josephcolon7031]

I love how people play like this and call it " sKiL "

[@luke1stars1masher]

These are the types of kids who were bullied in school for a reason

[@corycount1598]

True

[@ybftm9730]

@Dimetime35c early and often

[@larrychilders6599]

Pk fire

[@kaleb2753]

Pk fire

[@JTeter499]

Pk Fire

[@RaggedKnowledge96]

When the Bayonetta vs Game and Watch match popped up, I can only think “how the turns have tabled”

[@Jarekthegamingdragon]

If you were a PM player, they already did back then.

[@YounesLayachi]

Damn right, thankfully G&W doesn't carry people up to the blastzone and instead just plays normal smash

[@CastafioreOnYoutube]

It reminded me of Maister vs. Tyroy @ Combobreaker. That was such a satisfying match.

[@XradicalD]

Was that a Dream and George quote?

[@carthagegaming5545]

@@YounesLayachi Ah yes. GnW Dsmash. Perfectly normal smash.

[@SkrappyQ]

Captain Awesome's playstyle is practically an invitation for a physical confrontation

[@OmoiSenpai]

Shoulda showed the one where the guy's controller came out so the good guy paused for him, but the scumbag called the rules on him lol

[@iiP1XL]

What are you doing here? Lmao

[@ShadowD3mon25]

Tbf that's an example of extreme shithead behavior and not an aggravating playstyle to go against

[@ThePi314Man]

2020 and people are still toxic over Fortune

[@libenhagos9335]

how you on this video but don't know who leffen is

[@sparkxrl5163]

@@ThePi314Man They have reason to be.

[@CanadianBaconPwnage]

Whenever I see a camper lose the lead, my favorite thing to hear/cheer from the crowd is "Camp him/her out!". I love it when the campers get a taste of their own medicine.

[@MrSherbertSnapper]

Tbh I disagree a bit. I'd much rather see them get utterly comboed to death for the rest of the match

[@El_Andru]

@@MrSherbertSnapper guys guys. You seem so chose sides when in reality, we all hate stupid campers. Lets celebrate that.

[@gonderage]

I share the sentiment for anti-camping, but the poetic justice against camping should not promote camping, that should leave a stronger message.

[@CanadianBaconPwnage]

@@gonderage While probably true, I admit a certain satisfaction as a Dedede player when I steal the lead from a campy Sonic or Isabelle and then make them approach the rest of the game. And I play a VERY aggressive DDD (love my combos), but sometimes I liked to show the other player next to me that camping ain't fun to deal with if they started it first. :P

[@YojimboJames]

The thing is campers probably have the patience to get camped and not tilt

[@captainbromane]

I love how the last play style is just “bayonetta”

[@voltingmaster5458]

@Aaron Roots What are you talking about? Bayonetta isn’t even in the video.

[@Nin10doh98]

Volting Master I think the Bayo stuff got edited out because of one of the players involved doing some uh... not so pleasant things. Then again, we do hear ZeRo on commentary during the Tweek Sonix set so... I don’t know.

[@captainbromane]

Oh! When I watched it there was definitely a bayonetta series of clips.

[@smoceany9478]

@@Nin10doh98 whats worse is that in that clip, ZeRo comes in right as they mention a child

[@mileslong7103]

Anyone who has played against sm4sh beyo has felt Dingus Joe’s pain in the last clip

[@dvincentart2156]

Still feeling it in Ultimate, too

[@Ensnare15]

@@dvincentart2156 what

[@mentadere]

@@dvincentart2156 what

[@Starman1029]

@@dvincentart2156 what

[@jlew92xx]

@@dvincentart2156 what

[@DesTr069]

GimR putting that ad mid-game truly shows why he the best head for this community lmao

[@andrewarroyo1789]

9:24 that's the sound of genuine concern

[@pooperdooper3576]

LOL I'm really happy he didn't lose that game

[@ZETSUBOBILLY]

Fear

[@BigDJShag06]

Mew2king is one of my favorite smash players but this first clip is completely bs

[@neophyte_tpk]

I still don't know why Wes didn't just grab the fricking ledge..

[@ubermaster1]

@@neophyte_tpk Gonna guess it's because he didn't want to contest with a potential tipper hit..I dunno I agree with you though he definitely should've tried *something*

[@MKWMICHCHAMP]

​@@neophyte_tpk wes would've lost stage control and run the risk of getting reverse edgeguarded cuz a falco offstage can quite often be a dead falco

[@smokemidnotmeth]

michchamp 1900 not saying it’s easy but marth isn’t invincible on the ledge, even just the slightest bit of pressure would’ve forced m2k to do something.

[@neophyte_tpk]

@@MKWMICHCHAMP stage control really doesn't matter when the opponent _wants_ to be at ledge

[@knaydr]

How ironic that the fastest character in Ultimate is the one with the slowest matches

[@El_Andru]

1.- Get out of KZbin 2.- Play Sonic in Smash Flash 2 3.- Come back and thank me

[@dddmemaybe]

@@El_Andru kzbin.info/www/bejne/oWKsqntuoq1-q9U i stayed on youtube, looked up the game, i can play as waddle dee. fuck smash bros this is where I'm at lol. edit: but still no wavedash smh lol.

[@pizzawonderer5024]

And yet slow characters like incineroar and ganondorf often have matches under 2 minutes thanks to their sheer power

[@koulam]

4:12 it feels so weird to hear that conversation after the allegations

[@kgnightcry8118]

Bruh smash players are pedophiles

[@AuroraVeil_]

@@kgnightcry8118 we *outed* the pedos lol, every community has weirdos but at least we got rid of them

[@CJay101]

@@AuroraVeil_ not all of them are god, the waluigi stans and the people who complains about having “anime sword fighters”

[@aclips712]

@@AuroraVeil_ most of them

[@derekq8790]

I can’t be the only person who HATES whenever somebody picks Kirby or DDD and just vamps ledge to suck and chuck the whole game

[@AverageHandle_]

You’re not the only person but I’m good with K.Rool so it’s a free counterpick unless in a different game

[@Cinko420]

Derek Q As a Sonic main who hates campers who don't even try to engage with a passion, I feel you.

[@null6292]

Thing is it doesn’t get them far. Especially Dedede

[@yourepostedinthewrongneigh1545]

Shits funny as fuck

[@frost_sprite]

I hate it when Kirby players only suck and cuck. Especially when I'm a Kirby main myself, seeing them do only that the entire game pisses me off since he has an entire moveset but only they only focus on two moves. Inhale and Final Cutter.

[@AlrauneDollmind]

"Sonic's the name, speed's my game!" "Oh _really."_

[@Z7Games]

Yeah, he's the fastest. You get camped on frame 1.

[@UndeadItachi2]

Tbf I don’t use Sonic like that. All of his moves are exceptional and can combo well if used correctly. He doesn’t have a lot of kill power but he is very easy to utilize.

[@paulgentili1425]

@@UndeadItachi2 I disagree, he is a good character but if very hard to play because if you get aggresive then you are super predictable and you have so much end lag so you are super vulnerable, doing 100% camping with Sonic is toxic and stupid but you need to be defense to win because he has very little kill power and is easily punished.

[@DragonKirby]

11:38 i've seen this match so many times and i'll say it,Bloodcross has the right to be upset,and i honestly feel bad for what he was facing

[@SgtKaito]

That Villager player is probably a main reason they banned customs lol. I was so confused why there were random explosions until I remembered that customs were once legal. Also I wonder if Dingus Joe was trying to get out of any of those combos in the last clip (unless it was prepatch then everything else I say is irrelevant). It didn't look like he was SDIing, but it did look like he could've escaped those combos. The Bayo just did basic combos, nothing that actually would've caught good SDI. Forgot to add, how do people have fun playing like this (except the Bayo since that's just Bayo's playstyle)? I get wanting to win but personally I don't sacrifice fun to win a game, can't imagine doing it.

[@alexanderredhorse1297]

yea that player was essentially making a mockery of the game. it's just an insult to everyone who were playing the game legit. surprise, that player isnt anywhere near as "good" in ultimate. they changed their name to interrobang and still play the same exact way.

[@maplecinna3979]

I will say I actually have a lot of fun playing keepaway as Duck Hunt. It is engaging and rewarding to win. But I don't play that way with people online because I know that they wouldn't feel the same way about it. There is a big difference between camping and forcing the other player to approach.

[@miguelarnaldo8522]

Anton Chigurh went from flipping coins to wobbling people to death

[@baldarianagrande]

the reference is not appreciated enough...

[@dactylicpoet791]

Oh man he really looks like him doesnt he

[@jorgenbluered2151]

Pick an ice climber. What sir? Pick one. Nana.

[@SMEARGLEX75]

Mr. Miguel 16 He doesn't deserve that look after wobbling n0ne.

[@Average_K]

Hold still

[@JayKaysian]

Top 10 Allegations next?

[@Marc-rw3dd]

Oof

[@status7505]

Lmao

[@Sir_Robin_of_Camelot]

Oh come on! She shouldn't have been standing there!

[@oneway5146]

@@Sir_Robin_of_Camelot yike

[@HieronymousLex]

Stfu kid you probably don’t even play melee

[@laiauntaecalwell4003]

Westballz clapping m2k just before the game ended was why he camped the entire match lol

[@brainfreeze10]

Westballz should have won despite the percent difference. That match is all the evidence we need for a ledge grab limit.

[@ROFLOLGAMER]

@@brainfreeze10 I agree (and I think the community should just run modded Melee with a limit built in). But you gotta lay some of the blame at Westballz feet. Unless he figured M2K was more likely to SD than he was likely to win an exchange by approaching ledge, he shouldn't have stalled. I know it's almost impossie to approach M2K on the ledge, but it's better than timing yourself out.

[@Ljovynn]

@Atinverd you will just lose if youre behind on percent

[@HamsterCrusher13]

@@brainfreeze10 nah, tbh marth's ledge camp is really trash. Falco can sneak in a ledge grab, down smash, etc. The risk is decently high, but it also only takes one win to kill marth on the edge.

[@Greyhound33]

Robert Cassidy west Ballz could have challenged mew2kings ledge reset, yeah it would’ve been risky cause it’s mew2king a highly technical player, but you still have options. I think it’s west’s fault for not even daring to challenge him. That’s exactly what mew was looking for and it worked

[@KaigeLePudding]

"do you know what you were doing the whole set ? How dare you look salty !"

[@ShoulderUnderwear]

"look salty"? What are you even talking about dude? You and that moronic commenter both. He looked disappointed, not salty. If he was salty, he would have disrespected his opponent and refused to shake his hand like half the other people in this video.

[@holo1560]

@@ShoulderUnderwear You're salty too lol

[@ShoulderUnderwear]

No salt here fellas. Just stating facts. :)

[@leebaguetteo9607]

@@ShoulderUnderwear "felles" smh

[@ABC-ik9vj]

@@ShoulderUnderwear get out

[@Jigglypoof]

Make a video on the Top 10 Kid Diddlers that we're never going to hear from again

[@Rogueakeri31]

Are there enough for that?

[@stixsis4656]

@@Rogueakeri31 there is sadly

[@emotionje4446]

@@stixsis4656 THOSE BASTARDS

[@crush7745]

And remember- people love to defend this kind of play style sonic has.

[@gilreygu98]

in the end is a way to victory, its really lame and boring but he is trying to win, i really hate that playstyle and only thinking of it makes me sick but its more fault of the desing of the character rather than the players using the tools at their dispossal. its like trying to fight against little mac, its better to camp him rather than fighting because is the easiest way to victory. i think they should change sonic so it doesnt promote this kind of playstyle. (same for little mac)

[@ryanfield4926]

How little dignity does somebody have to have to go out and play like this in front of other people in a tourney. It’s actually embarrassing

[@starcraftplayer9443]

It's lame but people play to win.

[@BenjerminGaye]

@@ryanfield4926 they are there for the bag, not to please you

[@Mepphy99]

Contrary to ledge regrabbing you can at least get Lucky and catch Sonic That's mostly smash ultimate online being shit also

[@power0029]

9:58 This is why customs being legal was a *huge* mistake.

[@dirtychris5407]

Spike • good joke

[@crack4184]

@Skeet • fun to play. yes fun to play against. no balanced. NO!!

[@Sleeepy.]

I didn't play sm4sh, what's the custom move on Villager here? Llod looks bigger than normal I think, but idk Edit: Wait actually I think I've heard of this. This is the tripping sapling, right?

[@oi_bruv]

And the explosive balloons

[@ryndor2899]

@@Sleeepy. The explosive balloons

[@MrAdamelma]

“It’s not button check that’s just sonix” damn

[@zolo2036]

9:42 "that is nothing to be proud of" "i am im proud of em"

[@FellixNoAmatsu]

CaptainAwesum looks like Harry Potter if he instead spent his days testing and rating fast food burgers.

[@goofballextreme1435]

Imagine watching the entirety of the Tweek Vs Sonix set, expecting great gameplay, into to get about maybe 30 minutes of nothing

[@Alibaba-id1cs]

How can u expect any WiFi set having great gameplay? WiFi just sucks and there’s no way I’ll take any set seriously

[@emmbeesea]

I was expecting Smash 4 Grand Finals at EVO 2018 to be included here. The players might not have thought much of it in the moment, but the vast majority in the crowd _hated_ it.

[@TiggyMD]

It's not much of a playstyle but more of a planned prank that went against rules.

[@SaigliatCSX]

That’s not a playstyle :/

[@CanadianBaconPwnage]

The "contestants" knew exactly what they were doing.

[@monkibeansoup]

Remember that was the LAST smash was ever at Evo and that's how it went out

[@Justpassingby204]

They did think of it and had an orchestrated introduction to their set

[@Wizard_Lizard_]

13:28 Imagine popping off because you beat a G&W with Smash4 Bayo.

[@FurryBayo]

Well it was the GnW's fault for not being patient

[@power0029]

Fire Folf 'The Bayonetta God' dude just admit Smash 4 Bayo was busted and move on. Even as someone who mained her in 4, I admit she was OP. You don’t have to defend on every comment talking negatively about Sm4sh Bayo.

[@FurryBayo]

@@power0029 have you played a Bayonetta game?

[@power0029]

Fire Folf 'The Bayonetta God' yes Ive played both of them

[@FurryBayo]

@@power0029 than tell me what the games are about and who bayonetta kills without googling it

[@IcelandicBeast]

Just goes to show that some people only have fun if they win, and they will do WHATEVER they have to to win, no matter how lame or stupid.

[@HamsterCrusher13]

Well it is competitive, not just for fun

[@EDoyl]

And good for them

[@guyfauks2576]

@@HamsterCrusher13 mango is comp and he's still lit

[@HamsterCrusher13]

@@guyfauks2576 I worded it as "not JUST for fun" intentionally. Competition goes beyond fun. You'll go through a whole spectrum of emotions competing.

[@guyfauks2576]

@@HamsterCrusher13 but the main one is fun and wobbling is not fun and is very gay

[@revibard-harvey6919]

13:31 He thought at the last possible moment "wait, this isn't my headset".

[@sun332s7]

The fact his play style is a way to win tho is sad to me

[@FurryBayo]

His GnW sucked tbh

[@synthesiageek4667]

@@FurryBayo Not really

[@FurryBayo]

@@synthesiageek4667 trust me it did.

[@synthesiageek4667]

@@FurryBayo Dingus joe was impatient and didnt sdi properly, he played without control but didnt really suck, at least imo

[@schnibist]

captain diabetes is literally too lazy to play actual smash. love how salty he looks when he loses

[@ShoulderUnderwear]

Looked like he played "actual smash" pretty damn well to me. And I saw no "saltyness". He just looked disappointed like anybody might be after losing. He even shook his opponent's hand out of respect afterword. I wish all the players and viewers on the smash scene would have his level of class.

[@lilchico8784]

@@ShoulderUnderwear please shut up😩 captain trash can stay home while everybody else can go play smash.

[@ShoulderUnderwear]

^^^exhibit A^^^ “I wish all the players and viewers on the smash scene would have his (Captain Awesome’s) level of class”.

[@cooldud7071]

@@ShoulderUnderwear Dude plays like an asshole and loses the set. There is no class with that playstyle, same shit goes for someone like Hbox.

[@jamesherbert7021]

Haven't seen this and im already hyped cause I know that chu is gonna be in it lol

[@vanhuynh5375]

I'm glad that PM/P+ added ledge grab limit by granting fewer invincibility frames with each regrab. Also completely have no invincibility after the 4th ledge regrab. Then after the 6th regrab you have to get on stage because you can't grab the ledge again until you get on stage.

[@BestBirdman]

I just want to mention the last part about not grabbing ledge after the 6th regrab is untrue. You can always regrab the ledge, but you will lose invincibility after the first few times, as you said.

[@PickleCh4n]

Ultimate as well

[@jevy2099]

I think you got that last part from ultimate because it has that

[@sirstack59]

that's pretty cool, I think ult probably did it best, you get one grab with invuln, and the 6th time you try to grab ledge you can't, makes the ledge a terrible spot

[@christophervalero6637]

Sirstack The 2nd as it should be the ledge should be a bad spot to be in realistically your literally right next to the blast zone if you’re high enough any hit could kill it should be a scary place to be

[@telph3223]

Play lame = win game. "I will time out a dying child if it means that I win evo" - Samsora.

[@mr.gallegos2238]

Did he really said that?

[@telph3223]

@@mr.gallegos2238 he did. it was a question on a lie detector test for smash summit i think.

[@mr.gallegos2238]

And what was the lie detector results?

[@telph3223]

@@mr.gallegos2238 he was telling the truth of course

[@Light_Repairman]

I just cant imagine playing a video game like this... it baffles me

[@ryankeenan4425]

I agree, imagine not wanting to have fun playing a video game

[@Light_Repairman]

Ryan Keenan i know its a tournament but regardless. Have some backbone, have some respect

[@miuraYCM]

money

[@fernandobanda5734]

Have you ever played anything competitively? I'm not saying because you would do it, but you'd know a lot of people who would. Competition and fun don't have a big overlap, and that's okay.

[@fernandobanda5734]

@Roger Dodger If you're in the lead and there's a timer, you can win by stalling. I don't know how this isn't understood.

[@screweduptx512]

11:52 CaptainAsshole's campy playstyle made him feel like he was running track.

[@StarkMaximum]

ZeRo talking about "sociopathic tendencies" sure feels different these days.

[@lukostello]

AKA "Why Rivals of Aether doesn't have ledges"

[@equinox-XVI]

I'm suddenly happy about this

[@lmao2302]

This shit doesn't happened with ultimate ledges either. Or smash 4 without customs.

[@whereskaard]

Knew Sonic was gonna be on here

[@KAIsibs]

How could he not?

[@dashman8499]

I truly wonder if Sonix has any friends.

[@TDG386]

He looks and seems better alone, like it should be.

[@1blueee]

he gives me second hand embarrassment for playing sonic

[@raymariopokenic1561]

and people are complaining about hbox being lame?

[@starcraftplayer9443]

What's funny is that Hbox started to win more by not playing lame.

[@dairycans]

@@starcraftplayer9443 bayo isnt 'lame' in the traditional sense just broken, just like a slightly aggro puff. its the same shit: kills at low percent for one neutral interaction

[@imabossDJ]

there are PLENTY of hbox clips that would fit just fine into this video buddy

[@starcraftplayer9443]

@@dairycans Contrary to popular belief, Melee Puff isn't actually that "broken" because if she is, more people would be playing her. You could bring up the argument that she is an unpopular character because she is boring to play but if that's the case, why were there so many people playing brawl metaknight and sm4sh Bayo?

[@dairycans]

@@starcraftplayer9443 bro those are the two most broken characters in the history of the game, comparing puff to them kinda disparages your argument. also you offered the most legitimate counter point to why people dont play puff. multiple top ten pros talk about how they "would" play her but could never live with themselves. so thanks for making those points theyre all good ones lol

[@HerozOfficial]

When GimR ran the ad LMFAOOOOOOOOOO

[@cloofembach3136]

4:58 I gotta give that MAN credit for holding his composure. I definitely would have been in the back of a police car that day😂

[@fursuitjumpscare]

3:39 Featuring the fastest character in the roster, ironically.

[@musicman8371]

I love how Captain Awesome has to take a deep breath here 11:52 All he did was camp the ledge for a majority of the game and that made him take a breather? Hate to see him at the gym.

[@kakacarrotcake392]

honest to god question. does sonix actually have fun? because there is no way hes having fun with that playstyle

[@Reshi9984]

last i checked the real sonic was always up for a fight

[@ultrachadstinctgoku7579]

Hes irrelevant. Also nice UI PFP. You have him right?

[@AnimeAustin1]

Anyone remember when Zero did the run away and waiting till the time ran out in smash 4 as zero suit samus that really peeved me too.

[@skyguysZ]

Yeah, I'm surprised GRsmash didn't show that match here. It painted a negative picture of melee players who were on the edge about smash 4 back then.

[@morgankirkpatrick8492]

Link?

[@skyguysZ]

Morgan Fitzgerald here you go kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKapnWChYqyIgs0

[@patrickbateman5298]

I do remember when he ran away after being caught grooming children, if that counts.

[@ghozthouse]

Patrick Bateman too soon vro, too soon.

[@EtienneYT]

Let's be real, Chu killed PM, not Gimr LMAO

[@defaultusername4203]

breh

[@guyfauks2576]

Chudat was funny

[@piccolo54trunks2]

2:35 What is Critikal doing here o.0

[@jordanicefresh]

Why was wobbling even allowed???

[@bryce6670]

ive never seen any of ur videos b4 and i got recommended this video on my homepage 33 seconds after it was posted

[@TiggyMD]

This man hasn't seen GRsmash

[@thanatosp3738]

@@TiggyMD Yeah he doesn't know what he's missing

[@YounesLayachi]

Dude you gotta sub

[@zolo2036]

welcome

[@Premium_Jelly]

Sometimes I forget how hilarious competitive gaming is, and then I grace my eyes with a match between two god tier titans like “booteking” and “dingus joe”

[@robertzollinger3199]

Can we get some footage of ChuDat vs. Seagull Joe, Glitch 2 GFs? It’s 45 minutes of the best commentary I’ve ever heard.

[@huhwhat6887]

Spamming shouldn't be allowed in fighting games it's literally disgusting to see and they call them players pro

[@TREK5900cheats]

Honestly the whole discussion of him being a kid who is still figuring out social norms is pretty fucked up. Do I like that playstyle no, but that's a pretty degrading thing to say about someone of any age

[@DGSnowolf]

10:11 Witness the prowess of this competitive smash villager player. The amount of effort it mustve took to reach this level of skill is unfathomable to me. I mean why does he even do that? Cant be recognition for winning. Noone likes the dude. Fun? Good joke. So what is this? Ego boosting just for himself? Is his ego really that pathetic that it gets a boost from "I won by timing out everyone every single game" ??

[@DannyAran117]

It's like fighters in MMA that fight for judge decision. They're not in it for glory or flashy plays, just a win on their record.

[@Odima16]

Some people just play to win because they enjoy mastering the meta. Nothing wrong with it as long as the best strategy isn't infuriating to most people (which it is in this case)

[@DGSnowolf]

@@DannyAran117 MMA fighters not going for KOs etc but judge decision still have to do shit. They dont win by jumping out of the cage and running around it in circles, while the other fighter on the other side of the cage tries to chase them and changes directions sometimes trying to get him, with the guy winning by timeout cause he managed to land the first and only punch of the game. Not really comparable. What this Villager player did here is something I could do with like... Idk gimme 2 hours of training just to consistently grab the ledge without blanking out from boredom leading to a mistake. Hardly belongs in a competitive setting. Which your MMA example still has a place in.

[@christophervalero6637]

Funnily enough being aggressive with villager is probably the most fun I’ve had in smash 4 and ultimate yeah sure I get my ass handed to me every now and then but honestly it’s hella fun when you can get some good combos in and read what your opponent does with villager it’s so unexpected

[@elidanielgarciamartinez3313]

And that is exactly when we Plant mains rejoice in Ultimate. Long Stem Strike can effortlessly break that strategy in one move.

[@lilacrain3283]

For some reason Chudat’s Kirby doesn’t bother me the way the others do. It’s just hilarious to me

[@leonfire99]

I think it's because chudat was a good sport about it after losing the match whereas the others all got so salty.

[@Maximus7th]

^this. ChuDat is a good competitor, he knows what is the best choice for winning but he also knows that if he uses it, he has no right to complain. The dude's pretty damn chill. Though most good players who play with those styles (especially talking about Melee ICs players here) are actually really nice outside of the game and aren't going to be salty if they lose or be wanking themselves off if they win. It's only the ones who pick up the character in question simply to purposely abuse a hated play style that get salty as fuck when they lose.

[@leaffinite2001]

@@Maximus7th exactly. Chu is a chill guy

[@lyricalruffer6779]

Dont think you'd like him as much if he played like that against you lol

[@zumie3285]

I feel bad for those commentators being forced to watch the Wario vs Sonic Set.

[@hyrayato7399]

9:54 oh yea everyone hate 2 stock matches

[@hyrayato7399]

and custom moves

[@hyrayato7399]

@Jeremiah Soto u know that neither bayonetta nor cloud have custom moves, right?

[@CuboekinCubeokin]

That dude wobbling legit looks like a serial killer whenever he hits a wobble. Even between matches like this dude would kill someone

[@Kosmicd12]

dizz is a super nice guy according to pretty much everyone

[@Edgeperor]

Kosmic I’m sorry, but I have a very hard time believing that a nice person would do that

[@Kosmicd12]

@@Edgeperor well Dizz, Chu, and Nintendude are all super nice so idk what to tell you

[@brolo7234]

Dizz is a nice dude, but without wobbling he never really got much results.

[@GutiCamilo]

The only thing missing was the air camping from Meta Knight Brawl, and Hbox aircamping Mang0 and Axe with Puff

[@ye8491]

Honestly the smirk on the bayonetta players face is what got me everytime I watched it thinking ur good playing bayo in smash 4 is dumb but also WiFi on sonic is the same thing

[@Oizahk]

A summary of the playstyles used in the video: - Ledgestalling and reaching for a timeout with a stock lead. Very appropriate response from Westballz. It's a momentum killer, which can be useful in some situations, but those that use it shouldn't be surprised when nobody wants to play friendlies. - Camping, keep-away, and feigning approaches to bait the opponent. I'll say that tilting is a viable strategy in fighting games, but waiting for your opponent to progress the match is kinda like limping in a three-legged race. It just frustrates and nobody likes seeing it. Also, it's really ironic that Sonic's best strategy is to slow the match down. - Wobbling. I'm actually glad this got banned because instead of just frustrating, it completely demoralizes many players, even the gods. Every character in Melee has some tech specific to them, but a buggy, easy-to-start, easy-to-do infinite should not be one of them. - Holding a side of the stage with projectiles. It's safe, campy, and viable as an online gimmick. Running away from your opponent in top 8 at EVO, though, that's something I can't find myself respecting. - Picking Smash 4 Bayonetta.

[@voltingmaster5458]

You might wanna delete that last one pal.

[@friggen_roylty4368]

Running away and camping are actually decent strats. Getting distance between you and an aggressive opponent is good when done right. Camping is also a decent move when you have the moveset to do so, though it is unfortunate that some characters just can't compete with such a tactic.

[@ziabatsu4422]

7:46 Bro in the gray/blue shirt on the left goes 2-0 on those Gatorade's in 2 minutes.

[@fierypickles4450]

There should be refs for smash, like for ufc, and when the ref sees inactivity, he resets it to neutral lol

[@nothingloz9942]

Does Captain Awsome still do tournaments or did he actually yeet himself away from the smash scene?

[@DiegoSanchez-rs4kx]

He actually still competes, although with a different name, but he still plays in the same disgusting way

[@Cinko420]

Nothingloz He's known as Interrobang now, but he isn't nearly as good without customs.

[@mrtisfree]

charlie and alpharad the most ambitious crossover yet

[@PovaNixus]

'Hated Playstyles' and it's just bayonetta as a character in general.

[@voltingmaster5458]

Where?

[@MolkoKillStyle]

12:29 "Have fun m8" ahahah

[@NekoVenture]

See, half these people should be disqualified entirely. A tournament is a measure of skill and strategy, not “Haha ledge camp till timeout go brr”

[@jamiejennings6955]

Go tell military snipers who stay in the same spot for days that they are camping. Stfu

[@Michael-cg5qn]

That’s odd I didn’t see a HBox clip in here

[@TheLemonyBard]

I like how a lot of these boiled down to stalling and camping, and then we see Melee ICs and Sm4sh Bayo and you already know where it's going.