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[@remitournier2526]

"I've slept in a few bushes" This last sentence is massively underrated.

[@andymarks1049]

Keto diet experience: 2012-2018, avoided carbs, ate (animal) protein and fats. Started with no cholesterol warnings in my blood tests. Toward the end, my cholesterol was spiking. Then, ahem, heart attack symptoms out the wazoo, quickly vanquished with rationalizations. I went out for a morning run: I was lethargic, and skipped leaning push ups at the three widely spaced horse hitching posts along the trails. Got home, went grocery shopping with dusty feet and ankles, and found myself gulping cool air to cool "XXL heartburn". Got home, felt symptoms all over. Googled, "heart attack symptoms". It replied, "If you have any of these, dial 911 or get thee to emergency." I had them all. Off we went to an InstaCare. I wasn't happy: it was a terrible time in my life for a heart attack I thought. The InstaCare doc eventually punted, directing us to the ER. I walked into an empty 12x12 room. Someone came to the locked door and asked, "Can we help you?" I leaned over and spoke through the tiny portal between us, "Heart attack symptoms". The door flies open, and now we're with 12 pros. They hook me up to a 12-lead ECG (programmed by guys I worked with when just out of grad school) and immediately say, "Oh, it's happening right now. The T-waves are inverting. Minutes later I wave bye to my wife and youngest son, both feeling much worse than me (I was happy to know the pain's source, and sure it would be corrected) and I'm in an ambulance heading to a cathlab 8 miles north. They back up to a loading dock, doors open, and the cathlab crew welcomes us. They rush me in, hook me up, and are about to put me under, but remember I haven't approved the procedure yet. I sign, and go under. I wake a short time later, and feel great. I wonder if I'll get another wave of pain (pain had come in increasingly intense waves). None came. They found a clot in my right coronary artery, and stented it with a catheter passed through a tiny hole in my right wrist. The RCA had been occluding, and clearing, then occluding more, and clearing less, etc. They took echocardiograms all night. My troponin levels peaked at 13 (bad attacks take it to 300-400 stat). My echocardiograms showed some valve regurgitation, but the ejection fraction was good. My resting heart rate drove clinicians a little nuts, resting in the mid 40s, where it usually does. The next morning the cardiologist came in, and said, "So, where's the patient with the caveman diet?" He told me I had a near miss, that I had to stay 48 hours because statistically most 2nd strikes come within 48 hours, but that if/when I got out I should go on with my life. Of course, red (lean) meat no more than twice a month. I abandoned my keto diet and gear, and took my meds. My cholesterol is back to negligible. My blood sugars remain negligible. I believe I brought this on myself. I think the cardiologist agrees. In training for the "Tour of the Moon" this September I used Noom to drop 20+ pounds over the past 5 months. My weight and BMI hit normal for the second time today. The first time my height was 6'4". I had some cranial nerve issues in January, and my height afterward was 6'3.25". That jacked my BMI and normal weight calculations. I'm planning to drop to 85Kg over the coming months. The Tour of the Moon is off, pretty sure, because my left quad tendons let go of my kneecap a few weeks back and I had them surgically reattached a week ago. I'll be rocking crutches for the next three months. Anyway, my vote: the Keto diet is dangerously overrated.

[@LikeACactus]

I vote to have overrated/underrated segments become a regular feature of this channel. This was a lot of fun.

[@BleakVision]

Electronic shifting isn’t overrated, it’s just overpriced.

[@mclogged2280]

It is overrated

[@edjack1993]

Respectfully disagree. It’s over-engineered, too expensive and you always have that worry in the back of the head about whether it has enough charge left. Mechanical shifting has reached a peak - daft to discard it.

[@edjack1993]

Keto or LCHF diets - in my experience, not great for distance riding. But LCHF, day to day, is a great way to eat/live. Excellent for weight management and feeling great overall.

[@astrayagrarian]

I will agree that electronic shifting may be nice, depending on where you are coming from, however, for the most part….mechanical will always be more practical and will shift as good as electronics without ever having to worry about software becoming outdated/obsolete, batteries failing, etc.

[@joerenner8334]

Did you guys not listen to the video. E shifting us superb and super reliable. And expensive.

[@sloopjohnbable]

The whole point of cycling is to enable the eating of chips. Of course a keto diet is overrated.

[@richardhaselwood9478]

As someone who loves carbs on a spiritual level, I endorse this comment 😀

[@timdixo]

Short drop flared bars are a superb option. Aero for the hoods and control in the drops. The mistake is to think the drops are the aero option.

[@thedownunderverse]

There’s not too many of those!

[@o0o0o0o0o01]

Lamda x wing

[@serendipityrecordco9380]

I did this on my Allez build using a Roval Terra 38cm bar. Flare go out to ~40-41cm for more control in descents. Tilting the hoods to follow the flare angle gives me better wrist alignment doing pseudo aero on the hoods

[@RichardMigneron]

Oval chainring : they don't give you more power. The power meters of the time where not compensating for them, new ones are working perfect with them. The idea of oval rings is that you get less tired at the top of the stroke, therefore on a multi-day outing you could recover easier between days by being less tired from those top strokes hard pushing all day long. Of course the higher the cadence you can sustain all the time, the less useful they are too. I would test them on the small chainring, grinding on +10% climbs, multiple days in a row.

[@ewtcizs1101]

I do actually like the feeling of an oval on my mtb, but just because when there is a technical climb, and I get stuck on a root or stone or whatever, even if I am in the worst pedal deadspot ever, I can more easily get the pedals turning and keep on riding up. But I think that is the only advantage they have, and I do not use the on my road bike.

[@rafaelpalm4028]

There is a big problem with keto, specially in studies, as it doesn’t show long term effects of around 12-24 months on professional level. This is simply due to the fact, that in the beginning the performance drops immensely compared to standard diets, this you can see in basically every keto study conducted, in which for most of the time participants and athletes are kept on keto for around 6 weeks. Would be interesting to see how the body adapts whilst basically having “infinite fuel” (obviously is finite, but the production and storage is bigger and the energy output higher, which provides more energy over longer periods in comparison to glucose)

[@Ropetable]

i never had drop bars, and started with mountainbiking. i had a 440mm straight handlebar on my first gravel bike. i went for a 440mm handlebar with flare (making it over 440mm) and i saw to descend safely you should always be in the drops even though for a mountainbiker its counterintuitive to have weight forward. i offset this with a dropper post. I am crazy underbiked for some riding, i basically ride mtb routes on my gravel bike and with the drops it is insanely fun and feels great, so flare on gravel bikes is definitely crazy good for descending.

[@rosomak8244]

Straight bars should be called gorilla bars. They force you to hold them in an absolutely unnatural position for a homo sapiens.

[@robertlight2370]

I built up a gravel bike last year on a budget and put on a current spec Claris drivetrain. I was prepared to live with a bit "less than perfect" performance because it is just a cheap, fun bike. Instead, the shift quality impresses me every time that I ride it. Light action, positive changing and it's absolutely bulletproof. It's great!

[@nickcarolan2805]

Same here. I used the ultrega cables and housing for my claris and it's as good as the expensive stuff 👍

[@hervinderpurewal4369]

apart from that bloody front derailleur no matter what i do can not get rid of chain rub has done my head in.

[@tebbsy]

I tried Keto diet for around a year. Steady state effort seemed endless without fuelling, but I lost my top end power

[@lenolenoleno]

Agree with everything except flared bars. Flared bars are fantastic. If you're tuning your bike for Unbound, which is just a road race on dirt (no real MTBer would see any of that course as 'technical') then a regular bar makes sense. If you ride on actual chunder/singletrack etc, then a wider drop allowing more stability in the strongest braking/grip position on the bike makes sense. I agree that superflared bars compromise too much on hood position, but some flare makes sense for majority of riders, less so far roadie gravel racers (same argument you made for 1x vs 2x).

[@williwacker2774]

Maybe flared drop bars have got something going for them. I'll never know because I think they're unbearably ugly.

[@lenolenoleno]

@williwacker2774 a good bulk of flared bars you can't visually tell - it's that subtle (especially 10 degrees and under). Got a pic of your bike so we can marvel at how aesthetically on point it is? 😜

[@williwacker2774]

@@lenolenoleno Yeah, I've got a FSA Omega Compact myself, 38cm hood-hood, 40cm drop-drop. I'm talking to anything above something like this.

[@CThunderW]

I have a Wolftooth oval chainring on my CX bike, I find that the shape helps with steep and loose climbs by smoothing the power input, creating less spikes (wheel spin) and dead zones.

[@twillyspanksyourcakes]

James already explained that. He does not like oval chainrings

[@frits8986]

Agree here, on my MTB it works like a charm on loose/steep stuff

[@JoshuaTootell]

:19 agree 1:04 agree (need to swap mine) 2:16 agree. Great on my MTB's though in technical terrain. But otherwise there is no difference. 3:30 disagree. I have it on two bikes, both originally mechanical, (one was XTR, the other was X01) and in ditching it on one of them. I have killed the battey a couple of times. My other two bikes are mechanical and I never have to think about whether or not my bike is ready. I daily commute and already hate having to charge my lights every day at work, but I can ride without lights.

[@Adventuregirl96]

I like my flared drops on my gravel bike. People just take the flare to the extreme for no reason, so keep it pretty minimal and it does pretty good.

[@aageseljegard8730]

It's great

[@stuartfrancis519]

Would you say they go for too much flair with their flare?

[@jeffreythompson6282]

I recently went from 440mm to a bar with 380mm up top and 400mm at the drops on my gravel bike (not sure what flare angle that equates to, but it's pretty mild). This feels pretty perfect for me. I'm still adapting but did feel the loss of control in the hoods when off the saddle, but the drops feel perfectly fine.

[@shepshape2585]

I liked this segment. If I had one critique, it would be that pictures would have helped. Or even a short video clip of someone using the item. Other than that, nicely done.

[@DanielaAngulo]

yeah, I agree. As a non-native English speaker sometimes I didn't know what they were referring to at the beginning haha . but also pictures are just nice XD

[@rangersmith4652]

Some products are very good but not as good as their high prices would imply. The controls, motors, and software of electronically controlled shifting systems are not actually expensive, but the price difference over cable-controlled systems would imply otherwise. The high price of "modern" shifting systems is almost entirely driven by induced demand.

[@emf6621]

Not sure. First of all, providing a highly dependable shifting system for all sorts of conditions - warm, cold, rainy, etc. - probably takes a lot of electronic and mechanical research and development. And even then they have to provide warranties and replace parts that fail, etc.

[@rangersmith4652]

@@emf6621 Up-front R&D, sure. But they've been doing electronically-controlled systems for over a decade, right? Those costs have long been covered. And warranty service should be a minor thing if these systems are all they're touted to be.

[@l.d.t.6327]

I have Sora shifters (9-speed) with Claris FD and RD on my CX bike. It works fantastic. The shifters are a bit heavy though. I don't understand the 'underrated' for electronic shifting, as Francis ends the discussion with "it is really expensive". So I would argue it isn't under- or overrated. Francis never had problems with electronic shifting, but a friend of mine had his chain stuck in a (heavy) gear halfway in the group ride. Not very pleasant for him. I never ever ever had an issue with mechanical shifting, apart from me not changing the cables after winter and stubbornly riding with rusty old cables.

[@rosomak8244]

Use stainless steel cables. And use plastic end caps on the housings to keep ingestion away. This way they will last through the winters even.

[@avitch2]

LOL. you guys smashed two of my favorite things ... titanium frames and waxed chains. No worries. I'm here for it. Ti is expensive. Survives crashes really well though. And waxed chains are great! If its taking you lots of time, you may be doing it wrong. Takes me no time at all. And I never have to wash my drivetrain, which is sweet. Love the content. More please!

[@jkotvis]

Yes, electronic shifting is the best. But it does wear and brake down over time. I ride between 25 and 30k per year. I have had to replace my rear mech twice and my front mech once because of worn out moving parts in the internals. E.g. small sprockets etc. Shimano estimates the life span of a mech to be around 30-50k before it breaks. After that, you just replace and it almost instantly works out of the box. So yes, it rocks. But it was shite when my front mech broke in the middle of Thailand….

[@tjohnson200]

I put new Claris on my '82 Centurion LeMans (when I converted it to 2x8) and I could not be happier. Underrated cheap groupset.

[@charlesmansplaining]

I can't speak for the new SRAM electronic shifting but the first RED eTap was shit. I always would get dropped chain on the front and the rear mech failed to shift numerous times until it didn't work at all anymore. That's when I went to Dura-Ace Di2 and have never had a problem since.

[@maverick6631]

Big fan of oval chainrings, especially Absolute Black. To get the best out of the oval effect, the widest point of the oval should be the same diameter as your regular round rings, which is usually sized about 2 teeth smaller, otherwise you end up inadvertently overgearing. I find the main advantage gained with the oval is to noticeably shorten the dead spot. They also work better if you prefer shorter cranks (165 or 160, for example), as you can lower the gearing by an extra tooth or two in order to spin more freely. If you get it right, the natural rhythm of the oval is barely perceptible, yet you find you're getting more torque. I now ride 160mm cranks and no longer have knee pain, but can ride much further than I ever could on 170mm with round rings, and I am 56yo, 6'2" with 33" inseam. Each to their own tho...

[@tonypaddler]

That’s very interesting Maverick, I’m the same height and inseam as you, I might just try this out on my cx bike. Cheers 👍

[@mabozza85]

Absolute crap. Bet you have the ospw aswell. Garbage that stuff.

[@davidcrawshaw6839]

I had first generation di2. Battery failed, motor failed, contacts between several cables, junction boxes and battery mount corroded. Went to Ultegra r8000, I would consider trying di2 again, but first generation was poor.

[@rosomak8244]

Electronics outdoors will fail inevitable after a moderate time. Don't expect that to change any time soon.

[@geonwilliams]

Bivy bags for emergencies: V Under-rated, weigh very little and might save your life in a pinch, I take one on any adventure off the beaten path.

[@festerofest4374]

If you were riding in the rain and you (or a partner) became hypothermic a bivy sack could literally be a life saver.

[@richardmannion2779]

Francis was spot on with his response on 1x. Love my 10 speed 1x set-up, but i get to pick where i ride. i am sure i would find my limited range of low gears easier to live with if i had the FTP of a grand tour winner.

[@rosomak8244]

I see people with ridiculously small front chainrings and ridiculously huge casette in the back in one of the absolutely flat regions. I can't imagine them getting up to any serious speed. But this crap gets pushed.

[@alstuart8801]

Is it terrible backwards basball caps?

[@AndreiNeacsu]

I absolutely love the newset 2x9 Sora shifters! Performance/price is through the roof and they are definitely leaps ahead of my 2x9 Ultegra 6500 shifters that I kept in pristine condition on one of my older road bikes. This opinion spans over the entire groupset, but I usually mix and match road and mountain components on my favorite bikes (cyclocross and trekking) and only keep purely road parts (Rival, 105 or Ultegra) on my road bikes (I keep 12 bikes, that's why I keep placing them in categories). And the new Claris... wow, I want to change some Microshift 2x8 levers with those, but there is no honest reason to justify dismissing those while they still work pefectly. On that note, "upgrde only when parts wear out/break" is massively underrated. Besides flared handlebars, I find completely intregrated cables as overrated for non-racing bikes. Yet, I am happy that all of these choices exist for whoever thinks that they need them. What makes me sad is the acceptance for casual or enthusiast riders of proprietary standards for handlebars/stems/forks, bearings and bottom brackets (shell and the bearing part). I like to keep my bikes running for decades and some I do upgrade through very transformative changes, like a cyclocross/travel bike from 1974, or a road bike from 1989. I own an older DeRosa with an Italian (figures) threaded bottom bracket (Ultegra 6500 - octalink) and, despite having already bought external bearings (Hollowtech II standard) and being ready to upgrade at any time, it still grinds my gears that I might not be able to find new cups in 5 years or so. Oh, and yes, none of the Shimano BB shells I own have repleaceble bearings, only some dubious Chinese ones (bought for their color). There!

[@GravelRacer1]

I replaced my flared drops with normal drops on my gravel bike.

[@daryl4841]

Same. Not a fan of flared drops, OR wide 44cm+ handlebars.

[@thegrimnorth2835]

Flared gravel bars are great for people who want to ride on the drops while bike packing. You can fit a bag between most bars but access to the hoods can be limited, flared drops solve this in a lot of instances.

[@Douglas-yf6nb]

i am still rocking Shimano R600 brakes on my Lemond!

[@jani724]

Wasnt g on ovals at the time?

[@michaelcawley7400]

Take Claris run a nicer shift cables and housing nice calipers and a nice chain/ cassette and it’s insanely nice

[@dogukantosun5547]

I used Sora for 1 year and was not a fan of it. After every second ride, I had to adjust my derailleurs. For the price, I can't expect better but It is neither overrated nor underrated in my opinion.

[@radiocontrolled9181]

I've been using Claris for 2 years, I cannot remember the last time one click of adjustment was needed. Super stable and shifting is smooth.

[@dogukantosun5547]

@@radiocontrolled9181 Maybe I was unlucky with my example.

[@radiocontrolled9181]

@@dogukantosun5547 Could be ..... 🤔

[@gevons]

Sram has a notorious battery problem. The connectors depress and stay that way causing the battery to lose connectivity and thus shifting. Maybe you get perfect ones or get lifetime warranty because they are far from perfect.

[@jamesmckenzie3532]

Just had a shifter battery fail at my LBS. No warning from either of my devices that monitor battery health.

[@Max-io6xn]

Nice video but why did you choose to not show pictures of the products you're talking about??

[@reynard2ki]

More of this sort of thing, please!

[@drevo50]

I have new Sora on my new cheapo road bike - shift quality superb. New Sora is better than old (very old) ultegra.

[@kawabus]

I prefer a slight flare 12º and 44-46 wide for aggressive gravel. The width creates increased stability and I ride 90% on the hoods and the flare is more comfortable and the levers are easier to access. So no, not overrated.

[@pakelly99]

Not a study, to the best of my knowledge, (but there may have been one conducted as part of the expedition), but if you look up ranulph fiennes transglobe expedition (I believe it was), he was pulling an inordinately heavy sledge, across ice, often significantly undulating, burning an inordinate amount of calories per day. To the extent that with respect to carbs, in their words, (paraphrasing), it’d have been impossible to ingest the volume required to meet the necessary calorific value, hence they were eating something like a whole bar of butter with each meal, but from the photos, they looked like someone who’d just been rescued from a concentration camp, really emaciated to the point their bodies were consuming muscle mass.

[@pierrex3226]

The vegan cyclist has a very intriguing 1x setup with a big front ring and a cassette half as a big as the wheel. I'd be curious to try that

[@douglasbracken7562]

You two have a GREAT thing going, keep it up!

[@123moof]

Flared normal width bars for me on my road bike. My goofy wrists have reduced rotation and feel at their comfort limit with straight drops. Tilting the shifters inwards helps, but makes the drops totally useless (drops for most non-competitive cyclists are overrated). Flared bars let me still be able to shift while in the drops while taking a pull, albeit awkwardly. My "gravel" bike is an XC MTB with a short travel Lauf fork and a Jones alt-bar that gives me a hoods like position on the upper loop that is very comfortable. Extra wide tires (like 29x2.6) on gravel are underrated for comfort and confidence, and have less of a speed penalty than a lot of folks think.

[@colinricketts1415]

new sora is underrated because 2 or 3 generations ago it had rubbish shifters! ive got new 9 speed sora levers with old 9 speed dura ace mechs, and it works amazingly well

[@colinricketts1415]

and flared drop bars - I have some salsa cowbell bars that are flared, but they are 38cm wide at the hoods and 42 at the drops and I get on with them - wider bars than that should be left in the 90s or used by giants

[@123moof]

Replacement part cost is underrated. 9/10 speed chains, cassettes, and chainrings are just so much cheaper than 12 speed. So while it is easy to lust for the best, the cost of wear items are just painful to swallow.

[@TheRealKaner]

Absolute Black non-round (let's face it...they're not oval) on a Rotor 3D24 (165mm) crankset with a Power2Max NG Eco power/spider... fitted to a Canyon Aeroad, IMO was the best thing I did for my riding. Climbing was a lot easier on the knees, getting up to and maintaining a higher speed was easier. But, the price (you need to buy the corresponding chainring bolts - ridiculous price for aesthetic vanity - and the dubious claims) were a bit off-putting. Cheaper to get the 105/Ultegra parts. Set up was easy though. I never had any shifting problems. Now...if you want to laugh at all that type of gubbins...AB's derailleur OSPW...cop yourself on with that..schizzle!

[@DavidStacey-tx7on]

1x even on a mtb is a wank and way overrated. 2x9/10 is so much better for reliability, ratios and efficiency

[@ElectricGhostOpera]

Flared drops are the best for decending rough or technical decents on gravel. hoods = aero drops = control

[@thedownunderverse]

Not just on gravel! Work great for road descents too - all bars should have flare (and backsweep)

[@breathestrongcycling3672]

claris R2000 is not as reliable as the older 2400...bombproof...but if you replace the cables, brake blocks and jockey wheels with better quality items then you get a vast improvement for not much money....in my experience

[@123moof]

Maybe I'm a weirdo, but I sleep better in a tent than a hotel, so I avoid hotels most of the time. The tent is familiar, and often quieter. It is too easy to stay up late on the hotel WiFi, or catching up on bad cable news, then have a hard time sleeping just due to my brain knowing it is in an unfamiliar space.

[@mctrials23]

I'm the same and I don't know why. I'm not more comfortable, sometimes the opposite but perhaps its the fresh air. I usually wake up feeling much better.

[@FelixRichardson]

I had shimano sora i had mechanical disc

[@RavenSungOfficial]

Claris is probably best entry level groupset, they're the best for commuters / begginer bikes, and Sora and Tiagra is the new "people's" groupset. 105 is now "high end".

[@Cade_Media]

shimano have always put 105 in the high end category along with ultegra and dura ace - it hasn’t always been perceived that way though

[@cjohnson3836]

@@Cade_Media I'm blaming GCN. I don't know how else 105, at the prices even mech went for, was ever "groupset of the people".

[@M5Dri3rz]

I've never had a good experience with Claris bikes. Amazing experience with Sora and up but Claris just doesn't stay indexed properly. The only saving grace is that all the parts are stupidly cheap. Pre covid a Claris chain and cassette was $40 or less. I guess the less gears you have the faster they wear out.

[@zedddddful]

​@@cjohnson3836tiagra is more worthy of the people's groupset title honestly so good Shimano really need to sell the full set separately like they do 105.

[@falkor91]

Imho Tiagra and/or GRX 400 are the best value for the price (from shimano) currently with hydraulic breaks, precise shifting and cheap / accessible spares

[@Adventures-and-More]

Flared bars are to fit bar bags

[@salzhaltigersalzhaufen586]

man sleeping outdoors while Bikepacking is great just get a tarp flip your bike upside down pair it with a bivy bag and a ground sheet and you got an awesome tent obviously you dont have to close the bivy bag to the max because you got a tarp above you

[@perrystalsisworldofbiology767]

I know someone who bought $1000 cranks that show is power output. More money than sense.

[@cjohnson3836]

Wide/flared gravel bars are for clearing Carradice/Zeitgeist style handlebar bags.

[@daveebert7747]

Exactly, when actually bikepacking with a handlebar bag of any size you need wider handlebars with flair to accommodate the bag. There is credit card touring and then there is bikepacking = sleeping outside. Very different equipment and more of it must be strapped to the bike.

[@kuri8015]

Yup! Hotel or B&B. You might as well enjoy yourself after a hard day's pedaling. ;)

[@christophercoupal3449]

If you can’t sleep comfortably in the bush that is simply because you’re doing it wrong!

[@pierrex3226]

Keto for cycling performance has been debunked. I THINK some ultra runners are keto, but they do such low intensity to endure the distance that it's very very niche. Other than that, you basically need "sugar" in the tank, as I understand it.

[@philipsimmonds1103]

Oversized jockey wheels .. duiscussion ..over !

[@jamesmckenzie3532]

Which is any different from ceramic based aluminum jockey wheels. Many jockey wheels have higher than needed resistance. I replaced the wheels on a SRAM RD and could actually feel the difference

[@philipsimmonds1103]

@@jamesmckenzie3532 don't see them on many competitive bikes .. ie . . tours

[@jamesmckenzie3532]

@@philipsimmonds1103 There is a team that races with them. Not many other teams have OSPW due to sponsors.

[@philipsimmonds1103]

@James McKenzie good point.. ineos is shimano.. however use princeton wheels..

[@williwacker2774]

I think the most two overrated things in the race bike realm are AERO WHEELS (or any aero stuff for that matter, coming into effect at speeds most non-pros never get to ride at) and tire rolling resistance savings.

[@williwacker2774]

Forgot my actual No 1: power meters. Completely useless for non-competing cyclists.

[@davegee124]

keto diet has been fantastic for me,helped with joint inflammation and weight loss but you have to be on it a while for it to work,peak power is down but general day to day is much better,no good for pro cyclists or those looking to be the best they can be on the bike but nice to be able to go all day on a ride with no extra food to carry about for those on long rides,

[@jeffreythompson6282]

Keto: nope, not a performance improvement over perfectly executed carbs, unless maybe you're doing ultra long durations, but that is missing the point. The point is health and body composition improvement for us mortals and it's a hell of a lot less error prone. Yes it takes a while to really adapt to, but once you do it's great! None of that constant fueling nonsense and no bonking or GI distress. I can just ride day in day out without worrying about my fueling whatsoever. For those wanting to podium sure, you need all the advantages you can get and the performance enhancing drug named carbs is one of them, but for everyone else avoiding that drug is really the better way to live.

[@dogukantosun5547]

V-brakes are overrated :)

[@radiocontrolled9181]

Disc brakes on road bikes in dry climate are totally unnecessary.

[@dogukantosun5547]

@@radiocontrolled9181 Wet grip is not the only problem of V-Brakes. On long descents, heat can explode your inner tube, if you are using carbon it is even worse because it can delaminate carbon. It also wears your braking surface. In the long term, it is therefore not cheaper.

[@rosomak8244]

@@radiocontrolled9181 They don't help in the wet either.

[@stevenr5149]

No one has ever overrated sleeping in bushes. Nice try;) You've never had a battery fail? I've never has a battery fail since 1982(and I never will). YOU actually might. Keep us updated. ;)

[@petewatkins5823]

Do you feel pro races should bring in a speed restriction for downhill decents? Love the content BTW

[@karl8805]

What?😂😂😂

[@NTuneLabs]

You guys need to show us some pictures or video of these products so we know what you're referencing...

[@fucktheworld1207]

I'll stick with cable operated gear's, unless you fellas want to send me and expensive set of electronic gear's 😉🤷🏼

[@livibam]

I’ve ridden 1x it’s awful, couldn’t find a nice gear to ride. Sold it after 3 months.

[@elswick4636]

Pannier bags underrated, bike packing bags overrated (but still really good)

[@Cade_Media]

💯

[@richardcarr6493]

1X FOR GRAVEL 2X FOR ROAD , TIAGRA STILL GOOD ,FLARED BARS FOR GRAVEL,ROUND CR, ELECTRIC GROUPSET OVERPRICED , KETO MEH, BEVY BAG WORKED FOR ME ARMY TIME

[@kalijasin]

Absolutely agree. Ketogenic diet will never outperform. Carbs are a raw source of quick energy and essential for cycling.

[@williwacker2774]

I did a Keto diet to lose weight. Not eating carbs before a ride is deliberately bonking. When done right this can improve your fat metabolism, shift your AT and all that jazz which will lead to better performance in the long run. But of course you'd never do this prior to a race.

[@Willard_guy]

May be a controversial take but if you sleeping in hotels it's not bikepacking IMO.

[@onyong123]

Wide gravel drops help with bike packing bags.. more room. But for normal use they are kind of pointless.

[@super8hell]

I never understood that. Sacrifice the handling and comfort, especially when you want to ride for long. I mean in terms of handlebar bags and having wider handlebars for that particular reason.

[@cjohnson3836]

@@super8hell wider bars and flare provide better handling, esp as gravel bikes in the adventure niche get more slack

[@super8hell]

@@cjohnson3836 Maybe if you cycle in deep sand.

[@cjohnson3836]

@@super8hell Or, you could learn physics

[@super8hell]

@@cjohnson3836 i know biomechanics, if your arms can easily overcome the resistance, you don't need motocross bars on your bike. unless of course you ride a gnarly downhill, but you wouldn't use a rigid bike for one.

[@taylerthompson7559]

I find with sora and the “cheaper” group sets they are harder to adjust and service. 105 etc function exactly the same but setting them up is so much easier. There a better bolts and such

[@rosomak8244]

No. The only differentiation that SHIMANO does is artificially making the Claris and Sora stuff heavy. Just to be able to justify "premium" aka rip off prices.

[@taylerthompson7559]

@@rosomak8244 maybe newer stuff. The old sora derailleur has regular bolts hex for jockey wheels rather than Allan key bolts. The cable clamp is also terrible too. I find higher levels of the same age have Allan key bolts for everything

[@ethanhughes6412]

105 di2 vs ultegra di2

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

1x over-rated for racing? Idk my friends. After seeing Roglic switch to 1x in this years Giro d'Italia and DESTROY everybody in the uphill TT, including Gerraint Thomas, I may disagree. That was an absolute legendary performance that won the Pink Jersey and the overall GC standing for Roglic... done on a 1x.

[@maxm6931]

Dropping down from the large to the small chainring for most people is easier than have someone on the road hand you a new bike when the climb starts...

[@Martin-ql6ty]

does anyone else think this Chanel has gone down hill since becoming ""cade media"" ?

[@Andy-co6pn]

Oval works well on a full suspension bike, reduces pedal bob slightly. Only ever use the flared drops on my gravel bike when descending, never for aero

[@zmuzzy101]

Keto diet is underrated if you have a condition which it genuinely helps like in some very specific cases with for example epilepsy. As a diet in general it's bullshit!

[@workshopninjathe1st]

Bivvy bag on a snowy mountain while imobalised might just save your life. Never hike alone without one…

[@johndef5075]

Im still using Sora 8 speed. Like the thumb levers and its bulletproof.

[@christosandreev6392]

Why didn't you cover disc brakes on road bikes??

[@CadeMediaExtra]

already covered in previous ep

[@astrayagrarian]

Specialized bikes/products: most overrated thing brand/manufacturer on this planet Disc brakes: over rated AF

[@richardhaselwood9478]

Disc brakes - amazing, and still under rated. Rims. Awful, extremely over rated.

[@astrayagrarian]

@@richardhaselwood9478 in what universe? Weight is laughable (even the top spec groupsets), always going out of adjustment, ease of maintainence literally zero (particularly hydraulic/internal), misalignment (tickiling, clicking, rubbing etc., if and when something goes wrong out on the road you will not be able to fix (or not as easily) compared to a cable actuated rim break, not to mention all the costs on the groupsets nowadays. And last but most importantly, is how bicycles frames and forks have to be engineered from the ground up (regardless of material) to be able to handle the braking forces due to a disc brake system and at the same time maintain a nice ride quality/ riding characteristics. It’s all a compromise and everyone who thinks that modern (even the “high end” disc brake road bikes) think they still ride nice are massively coping. I own bikes with rim and disc, however honestly disc brakes only belong on mtb and possibly muddy/cold/wet gravel rides and/or if you live in a very cold/wet area in general. I also understand older folks or folks who have disabilities or impairments, in cases where hydraulic disc brakes make it easy for them to squeeze a caliper lightly, without too much force, without them feeling discomfort or pain.

[@DavidStacey-tx7on]

Their frames were great, between 2009-2016. Shoes and gloves are really good but thats it. Disc brakes are just a joke

[@richardhaselwood9478]

​@@astrayagrarian I really don't believe you when you say, you own both. 1. Maintenance is a non issue. You know what you never hear - Mountain bikers complaining about disk brakes. Why? Because it barely happens. And it's easy. Bleed brakes twice a year. Straighten rotors if you need to. 2. You do know, there are quite a few bikes below 7kg, out of the box, with discs. Also, weight for most people is pretty over rated. I'm 85kg. I don't need a 6kg bike. I need reliable braking. Like most people. 3. Bikes are amazingly compliant nowadays, because of advances in material science, and the bigger tyres you can fit because you have abundant room, because of discs. Who the hell decided that you get to decide what kind of braking is appropriate in what climate? No, they're better in all conditions, because they give better power, and modulation. I absolutely hate this attitude (or rather, coping mechanism) by rim brake fans, that they are the true cyclists, because they're smarter, because they like using obsolete tech, and the vast, *VAST* majority of people are wrong.... I love the way the luddites (who, lets be honest) are nearly non-existent, but make a lot of noise on the internet, can't get over, the buying public are not even remotely interested in rim brake bikes.

[@astrayagrarian]

@@richardhaselwood9478 sounds like a rant and also ironically enough, coping on your end. “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” Also, to assume I think I’m better than others is just silly; I for one am very welcoming to all who want to enjoy/join cycling and I don’t really care what you ride or how much you ride, however I will be blunt and just tell you or anyone for that matter how it is. I will give what I honestly is my best advice to anyone and I recommend bikes/gear according to their riding style/needs on an individual basis. I myself have been riding since I was 13 years of age (I am 29 now) The only bikes I have disc brakes on are my semi- vintage Moots mtb and a sort of do it all camping bike that I built around a VeloOrange frameset I order 7 years ago. Of course, I have owned other bikes with disc brakes (which I have sold) All my other bikes, road, gravel, commuter, etc, all use rim brakes (cantilever, V-brake, direct mount, etc) With good quality cables and break pads, you don’t really need anything more.

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

Sora and Claris under-rated... so true! These are high quality top shelf products that will out last the life of most bikes... but the low-ish number of gears is the drawback. If you could get 11- and 12- speed versions they would be widely accepted.

[@discbrakefan]

People think they need more gears than they actually do

[@meibing4912]

You can get very cheap 3x7 setups.

[@user-cx2bk6pm2f]

When on-road, once you ride a close ratio 11 or 12 speed it's hard to go back to 7,8,9 speed and live with big cadence gaps.

[@astrayagrarian]

@@user-cx2bk6pm2f strongly agreed on that. Personally I love having more gears in the back on a 2x set up. The tight jumps between the small half of the cassette is where it really matters, the other half can have jumps of 1 teeth or 2 teeth. Personally I ride 48/30 up front with a 11-32 12 speed cassette

[@hkchew03]

Any overpriced DLC chain

[@livibam]

A lot of hand cyclists use oval rings.

[@TK-nc3ou]

I dont understand why anyone rides flats, drops have BOTH flats and drops ROTFL

[@nhabben1]

Keto is overrated for athletes but underrated for sedentary lifestyle

[@luisgarcia22]

Yes sir. Helped me lose a ton of weight, but wrecked my hormones when trying to maintain it while training hard on the bike. Carbs will help you save your immune system when training.

[@donwinston]

Keto is for morons. People who eat this way are stupid. Almost everyone who eats a keto diet eats a bacon cheeseburger without the bun kind of diet. That is not a healthy way to eat.

[@ericharman4064]

Sora definitely underrated. It never needs adjustment or is finicky; much less trouble than my 105.

[@williwacker2774]

Isn't worth the money compared to Apex 1/Rival 1 rim brake or Sensah/L-TWOO imo.

[@junksmiles]

1x is absolutely overrated for everything.

[@dmids]

The most overrated? 2 guys talking in a dark room to be able to switch on lights and using 2 mac books instead of a piece of paper... It is the biggers overrated something what i EVER saw.

[@PuffinPass]

lol people do use the drops on the flared bars while riding singletrack, it is the point of most control during descents or technical riding. If you aren't using them then you don't know what you are doing.

[@elswick4636]

Cyclocrossers don't use them and that's all I need to know

[@michaelhayward7572]

Triplex on road bikes - underrated and vastly unfashionable.

[@MTBScotland]

1x on the MTB but 2x on the road bike.

[@shaunpratt5521]

Where keto is beneficial is if your insulin resistant, same goes for carnivore. Maybe you should do an interview with Sean sakinofsky before you say over rated & find out the health benefits

[@gregone]

Oval chainrings: overrated for road/gravel, justrightrated IF you’re using them on a mountain bike with flat pedals. Electronic shifting: Come on, totally overrated!

[@viffer94]

I don’t understand the hatred over 105 di2, it’s a brilliant groupset for the everyday rider and can be found at a very price competitive price point in the marketplace. The mere question of Sora vs 105 is silly for anyone who has ridden both.

[@AndreiNeacsu]

It's no enugh to ride them both for a proper juggement. One needs to pay for them both too; only then the decision makes sense for each particular individual. While it is obvious to anyone that the 11sp or 12sp 105 groupset is the higher quality product vs 9sp Sora, it is not the best product for everyone. Besides the initial cost, there's also a cost of ownership and ease of maintenance. So, the ballance between the 105 and Sora is a delicate one which depends on many factors, including piece of mind.

[@viffer94]

@@AndreiNeacsu But what is the difference in price for the total groupset, maybe $600 or $700? That might be a large amount for someone trying to build a $1500 bike but if you’re more typically shopping in the $3000 to $5000 range then I think you can easily justify 105. Everything costs more these days, cars, phones, food, airplane tickets, hotels, that’s just a fact. You could easily spend $700 or more on an airplane ticket this summer. I think I would rather save that money and put it towards a better bike.

[@larryw1389]

Cades vegan bros science does not stand up to the light of day.