WR450F Vs DRZ400 Vs DR650 Supermoto Comparison

I sometimes get asked why I got a DR650 and how does it compare to the more common motards, so here is my explanation.
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[@joshuafitzgerald5442]

Something else to consider, for those of us that live in places (South Central Louisiana) where the roads are so rough that people flying over them in airplanes can feel the bumps I think that the DR650 supermoto would make a very good and enjoyable bike to ride. And they are not so heavy to the folks coming off of 600 +lb bikes such as a 6 cylinder Valkyrie or other cruisers. That soft long travel suspension would be a godsend here. Another plus is the air cooled simplicity, reliability, ease of maintenance and good aftermarket support what's not to like?

[@foxboy991]

Finally someone did a comparison of these! And the dr650s can bring it up in fourth gear completely stock! Check out my latest video you can kinda get a glimpse of my wheelies

[@MotardSteve]

Yeah I figured I should do it since I didn't really see any online. I'm sure it will bring the front up just fine. It's just that the heavier weight is less forgiving to those like me that suck at clutching it up. Just need to sort out the timing.

[@velocityperformance4077]

+tyler rose My WR450F wheelies 1st through 5th no issue... I also have a DR650 supermoto, that is heavily modded. No comparison.

[@foxboy991]

its all in the technique really. im not a fan of the wr450 i ride BeRads wr and its so twitchy to me i can control wheelies on the dr better. its just preference but ive wheelie the dr 1-5 gear too and its still stock gearing it has enough balls if you get it to balance point

[@WilliamR-nt5ek]

The weight... of a DRZ 400s is 317lbs Curb Weight.... 49lbs lighter then the DR650S. The DRZ 400 Super moto is 322lbs Curb Weight... 44lbs. lighter then the DR 650S. DR 650 S is 366 lbs. Curb Weight... all according to Suzuki's Web. site Specs. Throw in say the breathe easy kit on the 650... which is like... the FMF muffler with their power bomb header and then the Carb re jet and air box opened up some with some good KN air filters. I donno what that does for horsepower … or power to weight thing.. but it's a big big improvement . Good Video.

[@RevMoto]

DR650's are amazing. Easily modifiable and extremely reliable. Also very forgiving in stock form for beginners

[@MotardSteve]

Rev Moto Hell yeah man. I love mine. Can't wait to start modding it this summer with a new pipe and FCR or TM40 carb.

[@RevMoto]

The FMF PowerCore4 is great for those. Crazy deep tone but not too loud and doesn't take away any bottom-end

[@MotardSteve]

Rev Moto I was thinking about the Two Brothers V.A.L.E. but I've heard about the PowerCore too. Wonder if the PowerBomb header would go with that. I have more research to do on pipes.

[@RevMoto]

Yeah the powerbomb header matches up but I didn't see too much use for it as long as the stock header is still in good shape. It's a dirtbike, not a Ferrari, you know? Just my opinion though

[@MotardSteve]

Rev Moto True. I'll probably just do a slip on exhaust.

[@DEEJAAY41]

Bikes are like a roller coaster to me. I love the thrill of acceleration and great handling. I love sport bikes, and supermotos mainly. I don’t want a heavier supermoto or a watered down sportbike like nakeds can be. I only ride where the roads are most fun for my bikes. Id rather haul them by trailer then ride to them. For long distance, give me a convertible and a great car stereo over a goldwing or a big bmw any day, lol. Ive ridden for over 40 years and have had every kind of bike. The great thing about motorcycling is that there are lots of choices and no wrong answers within reason. The key is finding whats right for you😊.

[@MotardSteve]

Very true. That's one of the reasons I have a 701 now. It's still good to commute on but has double the power and less,weight of my dr650 so it can rip too. There really is no perfect motorcycle when it boils down to it. No matter what bike you have there's gonna be something you'll be left wanting in some aspect

[@johnl.8616]

I liked your motoblog. I have a DR650. one thing I was looking at on top of a header and exhaust and rejet is to do a big bore kit. that right there will add a lot more fun to a DR in a SM.

[@Stu650Zuk]

Glad your having fun on the bush pig as I call mine..lol! I put a good pile of cash in the aftermarket over time. But I got the bike used as new for 3k then another 3k into it to make it right for me. Plenty fast to outrun 95% of vehicles out there in acceleration for sure. You will like the pumper carb, its the best mod to start with, I have the TM40 with the Powercore 4. You can skip the header pipe as the exhaust outlet in the head isn't large nor are the valves. I just smoothed up the welds in the header pipe and opened the top of the airbox. Tons of other parts on it. The full Ricor suspension is fantastic..you can actually get some air and keep the rear wheel from hopping in the washboard bumps. Lowered wide pegs are great too for standing,,the list goes on. Great simple to work on bikes that last forever. I'm 50yrs. old and love to drift it on gravel at 80+,,and yes it will wheelie fine once you put on the pumper and drop a tooth on the front sprocket..It will still hit triple digits down one tooth easily on gps. next is a JE piston and webcam.

[@MotardSteve]

Stu650Zuk Yeah I like my bush pig too. I plan to drop a tooth in the cs and getting the tm40 and fmf powercore 4 aswell. Thanks for the suspension recommendation as I wasn't sure where to look for aftermarket suspension for the pig.

[@Stu650Zuk]

Check out Procycle for the suspension mods and the TM40 kit. Keintech is another real good place for the DR. Both good places to drain the wallet! The Ricor is a total replacement rear shock. It works really well without a reservoir onto it either. Great for your use having a SM conversion as well as the Ricor Intiminators for the forks. Aftermarket progressive springs work great with the Ricor inserts on the forks for your set up. The TM is simple and will come jetted for any mods you have and fine tune it from there. It will make a huge difference with even a stock pipe and the snorkel removed in the airbox. You can just twist the throttle and the front tire pops up,,lol! Makes it easier to do the wheelies without having to clutch it up.

[@MotardSteve]

Stu650Zuk thanks yeah I was looking at kientech last night already made a mod list. Lol I think I'll drop a tooth and grab the tm40 first. Since I think they would make the biggest difference. Probably grab the pipe last after the rictor suspension.

[@Steinox]

Great analysis. I just bought a 2012 DR650 with 500 original miles for 2500 American dollars. It blue books at 4200. After the restoration costs for it sitting for 5 years, I got it 25% off. Yes, its heavy. Yeah, It's kinda slow. The seat sucks and so does the suspension. However, I love to tinker. It is my first bike. Super easy to work on! upgrade options are endless. Parts are reasonably affordable. Definitely gunna bore it to a 690. Not sure if I'm gunna supermoto the damn thing anytime soon. The suspension has to go!

[@MotardSteve]

+Daryl Steiner dr650 is a great platform for tinkering. With some work you can build it to suit any niche you want. Might not be the fastest thing but mine took a beating and never let me down. Just hope I can say the same about my 17 701sm. So far at 4400 miles it's been great.

[@silusjackson7244]

Everythings a supermoto if you're brave enough

[@MotardSteve]

+Silus Jackson ha true.

[@PatYouells]

I already own a DR650. So to me for the cost of the new wheels and tires I can kinda have three bikes in one. Moto when you wanna get your lean on. Enduro when you wanna ride offroad. And adventure tourer when you wanna travel on it. It wont be the best at everything it can do, but it CAN do anything.

[@MotardSteve]

Yeah it definitely was a good swiss army knife of a sumo when I had it, but with shying away from long trips in favor of inner city commuting and stunt riding I sold the DR and I'm looking to buy something orange this March.

[@PatYouells]

690?

[@MotardSteve]

Pat Youells 2017 500 exc to put sm wheels on

[@PatYouells]

That'll be dope

[@MotardSteve]

Pat Youells Yeah expensive, but damn well worth it.

[@Dansk55]

Very informative video. Seems like the best choice for me would be the DRZ400. Coming from a zx10r, this will be really different

[@MotardSteve]

Or if you got the funds get a 690 or 701. I got a 2017 Husqvarna 701sm now and it's a heads and getting reliable. Put 11k on it in a year and a half

[@Dansk55]

@@MotardSteve Actually this was my view 8 months ago and its changed. Now Im leaning towards the Dr650 as I plan on doing lots of highway miles and trails. Whats the best out there? DR650 is at the top of my list. Can the husky live up to the bullet proof reliability of the japanese bikes? I don't plan on doing frequent services.

[@MotardSteve]

@@Dansk55 my Husky has been pretty much troubless. But it will require more frequent valve checks. The dr650 is a great all around, sure it's old and outdated but it gets the job done and tackles pretty much anything throw at it.

[@Dr_Xyzt]

Great video. I'd add a new bike to the bunch. The Zero FXS electric. I tested one about a year ago. It fits the reliability/cost/maintenance/cornering thing, and gives up a few inches of suspension travel.

[@MotardSteve]

+Guns Cars and Digits Yeah I really should do this adding in my current bike(2017 Husqvarna 701sm.)

[@gymshoe8862]

You can't ride with your friends for very long because of the short range of the E-bike.

[@Dr_Xyzt]

@@gymshoe8862 It depends on what you're doing with the bike. An electric bike would suck in sand, or if you spend a lot of time topped out. But an electric supermoto would be a lot of fun in urban conditions. Use the right tool for the job.

[@Dr_Xyzt]

Well, 6 years have gone by since I last commented about EV bikes. The overall cost vs benefit for the DR650 is just plain hard to beat.

[@lgwappo]

DR650 curb weight is 366 pounds & way lighter than my 2007 Suzuki Vstrom 650 which is 492 pounds & my Honda NC700X is 472 pounds. Seriously thinking of making a DR650 supermoto for my next bike. Always liked thumpers. Had a Suzuki S40 but sold it because the chopper ergonomics were extremely uncomfortable. DR650 is lighter & faster than the S40 also.

[@danielmachado7841]

I have a dr650 complete supermoto exhaust rejet and full fmf power bomb head pipe q4 muffler 170/60/17 rear tire stock sprockets 102 mph GPS bouncing limiter easily lower the front and changes the bike maneuverability and makes it a lot more flickable

[@madbroindustries]

What rear tire did you use?

[@Chittybang1821]

Think a yz250 would make a better supermodo than a YZF 450 reliability wise. Maybe not highway riding but they're both not made for that. I just think it's 252 stroke would be more reliable than 450F MX bike

[@dave32228]

Anyone that makes fun of the Dr 650 as being a bad road bike or supermto does not know much about them, or has never tested one They make an awesome supermoto and street bike. I owned a drz 400 and it was a great bike but in my opinion the Dr 650 far out shines it on the street and is just as good as the drz 400 in the dirt in my opinion and its a good hooligan bike . The Dr 650 has more torque and more horse power then the DRz 400 and it is noticeable . More is better . I never owned a wr 450 but good points were made in this video about them . I just think I wouldn't be happy with a wr 450 for its lack of reliability and frequent oil changes but that's just my opinion . Also Giving up one thing to compensate for the other is a good point when comparing any bike . The Triangle equation that is mentioned is the perfect example . My opinion as for a do it all 50 50 bike I will stick with the mighty Dr 650 as being superior in almost every way . The wr and drz might be lighter but in the long run the dr 650 would probable eventually pass them both up . At least on the high way anyway lol

[@motomanjf]

Really should have included the 250X! But you made a great video Steve!

[@MotardSteve]

Yeah the 250 is a popular one too. Was mainly focusing on bigger displacement bikes. That 250 packs quite a punch though. Thanks for checking out the video and glad you enjoyed it.

[@bigwu100]

finally someone with some frikken common sense. Im right there with you steve all that shit plays a part and must be considered.

[@MotardSteve]

Hell yeah man. The Dr is a good sumo for different reasons than most bikes. bulletproof and reliable.

[@ScoobyRexx]

I'm looking into supermotoing a DR650 for around town and riding to work, only about 10 miles on the highway one way.

[@MotardSteve]

Dr will do that fine. I took mine on several 4 hour one way trips to Dallas when I lived in TX. 4 hour highway ride there, plus another 2-3 hours around the city, and then the same 4 hour ride back home all in one day. Dr didn't skip a beat

[@ScoobyRexx]

+MotardSteve That's awesome, that's pretty much what I wanted to hear. Is it somewhat comfortable?

[@MotardSteve]

+Scooby Rex Alot of people complain about the stock seat but that's am easy fix with an aftermarket seat. and the seat height isn't super tall. I'm 5'9 and can easily flat foot it.

[@ScoobyRexx]

+MotardSteve easy enough to buy another seat. Good to know because I'm 5 foot 7 or 8, depends on the day I guess lol.

[@bulletben5837]

top man steve

[@MotardSteve]

:)

[@Chittybang1821]

DR790 supermoto❤❤

[@That_Teal_fummins]

well suzuki used the same engine from 1996 to 2015 didnt change a thing. that screams realiability

[@RonOverdrive]

Logan Adams To be fair that seems to be the case with a lot of the 650 class dual sports. The Honda XR650L has only seen minor changes since it debuted in the early 90's and same can be said about the Kawasaki KLR650 (only differences between Gen1 and Gen2 are cosmetic to my understanding except for 2014.5 to now which has a better suspension). The 650 dual sport class hasn't really seen much in the way of innovation like the 250 - 400cc classes have been lately.

[@TheAngryPigeon1]

+Ron Overdrive all bikes in this category are great.

[@TheSaltySuzi]

wr250x is a factory supermoto, and i dont know about US but here in europe you can get husqvarna and KTM..maybe some other stuff also i dont really know:P

[@MotardSteve]

I think there may be a KTM you can get here in the states, but as far as I know that's the only one besides the DRZ. You guys got it good with all the factory Sumo's available overseas. I guess it may have something to do with supermoto's being more popular there. I don't know for sure.

[@TheSaltySuzi]

you can get em yeah but there are mostly newer ones, or ones like yours, 600cc+ converted from enduros..wich are fine obviusly, i've had a 610cc husky myself, but i often wished for a lighter one lol because its easier to learn how to stunt and stuff...wich was the main reason i got a sumo anyway:P

[@MotardSteve]

SaltySuzi Motovlogs I've looked at some of the Husky 610's and they look nice. There's always a trade off to these big thumpers though and that's more planted feel at speed and in my case the dinosaur tech pays off in reliability.

[@TheSaltySuzi]

yup, im not complaining..i loved that bike:P i had to sell it because i had some issues with restricting it ...stupid european licence laws lol

[@MotardSteve]

SaltySuzi Motovlogs Dang that sucks. I always wondered why overseas places had different licenses for different engine sizes. I wonder if that adds up to safer roadways and less collisions? I know Spicy110 just got a DRZ and said something about having to take a class to get it licensed or something like that. Then again a lot of places here are starting to somewhat get that way. Idk if we will ever get to that extent, but some places now require a mandatory MSF course to get a license now instead of the DMV skills test.

[@dave32228]

The dr650 takes 80 mph way easier then then Drz 400 . That's the first thing I noticed when going from a drz 400 to a dr 650 . I'm also a heavier rider so that is why I switched . At 80 mph you are ringing the drz 400's neck. The dr650 cruises at ease at 80 mph so I'm sorry I have to disagree with you about the Dr 650 being the worst performed machine. At least when compared to the drz 400 . as I said I never rode a wr 450 .

[@ronsexton3685]

The DR650 also appears to be faster than the DRZ400 as well. So there's that. It is not the worst performer in that sense.

[@stephen1133]

I have a DR650, moderately farkled, and I'd say just get the Yamaha or a Honda XR650R. Its a solid commuter and regional tourer but I just dont think the smiles per mile are there. If I want to go long distances with it, I'll trailer the bike to the trail.

[@Alex-ei6qr]

Too many dr650s with 3rd gear issues so gone off the idea of having another one now, unless its nearly new and a bargain price for adv-TOURING. 690/701 too heavy (like the DR650) for getting over the shingle on stony beaches here (and questionable reliability, poor seat and height), drz400e lousy gear ratios but can live with that as I've done 3 times before, xr650r rare and kicking can be a problem, te610 has poor steering lock. Leaves me with trying a 450f and maybe going big bore on the dr350 - which is the right weight, low/comfy seat, 6-speed wide gear ratios... hmm, decisions

[@hrbestalkinme3690]

The DRZ looks cooler than the DR650. Thats why people tend to think it rides better than the DR650. Its mental. They both are heavy as fuck and have rather... I'll politely call it "basic" suspension. To put it another way, the DR650 can do anything and everythig that a DRZ400 can do. BUT, the DRZ400S cannot do everything that the WR450 can do.

[@Ozzy_88]

I'm looking to do a supermoto and have seen both the drz and Dr. I'm kind of torn I'm a big guy 6'3" 285 and don't know if the drz can handle me, opinions? I ride a tl1000s so a supermoto will be my round about fun bike, wheelie, off road, ect.

[@MotardSteve]

I'd say the DR would be the better fit. The dr has more torque to carry the extra weight as well.

[@Ozzy_88]

+MotardSteve dude thanks so much for the reply!

[@MotardSteve]

+Os Z No problem man. I do my best to try and reply to everyone, as long as youtube doesn't mess up my notifications. Glad to help.

[@Ozzy_88]

+MotardSteve that's awsome man. I was thinking of the drz with a 6.3 spring but I think I'll look for a Dr.

[@MotardSteve]

+Os Z Yeah that's a option too. it's the lighter bike so if you're gonna do off road a good bike and use it as a fun bike, then I reccomend going that route definitely.

[@dante2307]

what about compared to the wr250r?

[@MotardSteve]

Power to weight ratio is similar to the drz400. So I'd say it falls in the same category as that. Still a great choice for a supermoto either way.

[@Izmash]

i want to tard my DR650 but i feel like i should work on the suspension first.

[@MotardSteve]

SaigaExpress Do it you'll love it. If you stiffen up the stock shock as it does pretty good as a road motard. When you start to do any heavy off road is when the suspension starts to show its weaknesses. I plan to put some intimidator valves in my front forks and a heavier shock in mine if I decide to get heavy into off road stuff but that's unlikely.

[@Izmash]

i just want to do it so when i do get sticky tires my suspension wont be and dangerous like going around corners.

[@MotardSteve]

SaigaExpress I've never had any issues in the corners. The stock suspension does very well at all road riding.

[@Izmash]

yeah i guess it would probably be fine under normal riding,

[@acidtrippinpikachu5975]

Would the dr650 have more potential than the other bikes when its modded? I was thinking about buying one.

[@MotardSteve]

depends on what you really want it for. DR650 will be the most reliable and distance friendly. Also will have the most top end. Drz will be somewhere between the two. and wr will be as about as reliable as you get for an mx/trail bike but have a massive performance hit. After owning my DR for a year I can say while it's a great bike, it doesn't fit the true supermoto mold imo. Can you still have fun on it? of course but if you ever ride something else, you're gonna spoil it for yourself knowing this something with more power out there. At least that's how I feel. I'm actually selling my Dr this year.

[@acidtrippinpikachu5975]

+MotardSteve well i dont want a supermoto i want a dual sport, but the price of the dr650 is so tempting i found a used 2012 dr650 with less than 2500 miles for $4,200. I really want power but the wr is so expensive. So do you think i should save up or just get the dr?

[@MotardSteve]

+Acid Trippin' Pikachu If dual sport is what you want the Dr will be great. Might need some suspension upgrades to do really gnarly sections offroad as the weight doesn't do it any favors, but it's got plenty of power and torque to power through most stuff with ease. I'd say if you're not looking at anything super harsh, the dr will be great, and if you will be riding a little more advanced terrain maybe look at the drz since it's lighter and easier to manipulate off road.

[@acidtrippinpikachu5975]

+MotardSteve Weight has never been an issue for me. I do alot of mud riding so would the dr do fine?

[@MotardSteve]

+Acid Trippin' Pikachu I'll be honest, after riding it awhile unless your doing wheelies, you won't even notice the weight. I've had no issues with it off road even with street tires. Once you learn to work with the weight it's very managble. I'd say the DR would be great for dual sport/adv riding.

[@Langerang]

Hey man im 300lb 5ft11 im thinking my only option is the dr650 Suggestions?

[@MotardSteve]

ward0q1 If you find yourself vertically challenged like myself, (32" inseam") the DR is a good choice as it sits the lowest. That being said the suspension isn't the best off road without adjustment. Not sure how you plan to ride it but I'd look into getting the suspension setup for your weight. Theres a great group on Facebook called Suzuki DR 650 Riders. I'm sure there is atleast on guy there that rides on similar to your height and build.

[@Langerang]

MotardSteve thanks man yeah i got stubby fat man legs XD and as a matter of fact i added them earlier. Im thinking 80% on pavement kinda setup and mostly around town fucking around on the way to school and stuff. Say i buy it from a certafied dealer for a few bucks if they dont have a street model can they set one up for street legal/ tune suspension? thanks man!

[@MotardSteve]

ward0q1 ha the DR is a good road bike. It should come from the dealer street legal. Only thing you may want to look into is Supermoto kits from motostrano.com to make it even more road worthy.

[@TheAngryPigeon1]

The main reason why they aren't popular is because they aren't marketed, so the kids don't consider it. If you know bikes, you wanna commute on one and you don't care about numbers or attention; this is the bike

[@shaymtbrider7244]

Drz 400 is 317 pound n dr 650 is 355 pounds.. but dr can easily can do highway n u forgot to tell torques drz has 25 n dr has 44 which is huge...

[@ardiganm697]

This is very true, the DRZ has a much wider Rev range though. The DR650 is my favorite dual sport but the DRZ is hella fun once you learn how to use the Rev range properly.

[@paulcolburn7639]

I paid $7500 for a Ducati Hypermotard 1100. You can find good deals. you just have to know how to negotiate. Walk in with a wad of cash in your hand. I guarantee they will find what you want. Either that day, or a few weeks later.

[@brapbrapdan2539]

+Paul Colburn Ducati's are lovely bikes but have too many issues. Italian electrics are crap and the bikes aren't that reliable. I had a 900 Monster for 6 months and returned it to the dealer, utter shite, never again.

[@MotardSteve]

+Brap Brap Dan Exactly why I'll never own a Ducati. Yeah they look cool and preform well, but the reliability is stupid bad.

[@chaser1357]

The cops ride 650’s

[@chaser1357]

I have wr450 it’s a maintenance hog for sure

[@davidelizabeth4933]

DRZ more like 320 lbs. DR is around 50 lbs more than the DRZ. The DR is the easiest to work on. It's all about compromises. We'll take a DR650 any day.

[@MotardSteve]

Yep, she may not be the most nimble bike but I'll take that bombproof reliability any day.

[@mtube620]

David & Elizabeth dr650 weighs 357 wet, only ~30 lbs more than DRZ400. With some mods, can get dr650 basic down to 340's lbs. If Suzuki update the DRZ400 with fuel injection, air cool engine, 6 spd, it would a supremo supermoto/duel purpose bike. I am guessing 15lbs lighter if DRZ400 goes air cool. DRZ400 is a perfect size if only Suzuki update this 15 years technology bike and make it air cool. the WR450f weighs 273 lbs wet OEM. With higher sticker price and maintenance cost, it's not worth supermotoring the 450f for me unless one is into stunting.

[@velocityperformance4077]

+jack schitt Water cooled engines tend to make more power..... Going aircooled would be going backwards.

[@direction88]

650 = TORQUE

[@MotardSteve]

Exactly that's the reason I own a 701 Supermoto now. That torque is crazy.

[@freeaolcd]

350 lbs isn't exactly a "supermoto"

[@MotardSteve]

Might not be the lightest, but it's still got all the fun factor of a sumo and that's all that matters to me.

[@freeaolcd]

I suppose, just weird to compare the wr450f to the drz400 and dr650. The wr450f is probably the closest you can get to a race supermoto that's also streetable and it's not that common. Should have probably compared the wr250x/drz400sm/husky610sm/690SMC/dr650, more common, factory street legal.

[@Alexh650]

This depends on what your looking for. "Race" supermoto's usually need a lot of care. Valve checks, short oil change interval, new piston, top or bottom end rebuild. The 650 and the not race moto bikes are less time working on and more time riding. Yea the race ones do the best but not a lot of people are in a race. We just want to ride.

[@KpeBegko]

Bullshit!

[@MotardSteve]

Горбунков Семён Семёныч I just bought a 2017 Husqvarna 701 sm, which indeed, is not bullshit!

[@KpeBegko]

MotardSteve I ment your opinion about dr

[@MotardSteve]

Горбунков Семён Семёныч I mean I was pretty new to it all at the time and it did serve me well for the year and a half I had it, but as soon as I rode a ktm 450 exc sumo, it was all over.

[@KpeBegko]

MotardSteve Why?