Mother and Daughter Murder Team | Joan and Elizabeth Shannon Case Analysis

This video answers the question: Can I analyze the case of Joan and Elizabeth Shannon?
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[@hatuletoh]

"He visited a topless bar and met a woman named Joan, who worked there. Joan had a difficult childhood. She was traumatized by both her parents, who abandoned her. At age 18 she married a man who mistreated her..." I genuinely don't know the details of this story, but the background has more red flags than a 1950s May Day parade at the Kremlin.

[@coweatsman]

Her husband mistreated her?

[@MyMediterranean1]

I totally agree they are insane 😀

[@blablablaj]

What a metaphor lol

[@Faristol7]

@G R How do you know how much Haleyutah understands or does to help people?

[@mariagabrielle6383]

@@coweatsman Her 1st husband.

[@zombrero7870]

Interviews with the daughter are chilling. She fully admits her role but she looks completely dead inside as she knows her mother set her up and betrayed her

[@DottieMinerva]

She really didn’t stand a chance with Joan as her mother.

[@kashinimeyo]

I feel so badly for her. Her mother is a selfish,narcissistic piece of work that poor Elizabeth never ever stood a chance against. She was practically set up from birth, and I feel like it’s such a harsh sentence for someone who is effectively also a victim in this case.

[@TheTrevelyansway]

She could've chose not to kill her father. That's a chance.

[@sylvesterwilliams9531]

@@TheTrevelyansway correct

[@juliejules7780]

This is all unproven and based on Elizabeth's word. How is it proven

[@maddieb5787]

Wow. My mom and I used to have a very strained relationship. She was emotionally and physically abusive when I was growing up but the physical part stopped when I was 16 (when her own mother passed away) I think back to those years to how badly I wanted her to love me and how I tried to substitute that missing love with random boys and drugs. Being so immature and broken at that young age I am ashamed to admit what lengths I might have gone to to finally feel loved and win her approval. I don't think I could have brought myself to kill another person but the desperation and eagerness was overwhelming. If that really is how the story played out, Joan is the lowest of the low. She knew exactly what she was doing. All she cared about was herself. And all for what??? A piece of side action. Truly disgusting.

[@renee1961]

I'm so sorry you Suffered through that! 💐💐💐🙏🙏🙏

[@bthomson]

Maddie - Here's a wish that life has shown you attention and caring since your sad childhood! Although your mom was a bad parent, I hope you can forgive her?

[@cutienerdgirl]

@@bthomson Forgiveness doesn't solve the emotional wounds and scars caused by abuse.

[@Ad-Lo]

@@cutienerdgirl it helps immensely. In fact, those wounds can’t be healed unless their is forgiveness.

[@maddieb5787]

@@bthomson yes I have forgiven her a long time ago. As I got older I realized how hard she had it. My dad left in the middle of the night when I was in third grade and I never heard from him not one time until I was 19. My mother became a "functioning" alcoholic. She worked 70+ hours a week at a dollar store (on salary pay of course, so no overtime/time and half pay) and we had no child support or food stamps. She didn't date at all so I'm sure she was lonely. But mostly she was just very overwhelmed. When I was in middle school I was "bratty" and very ungrateful for what she could do. I would openly voice my disappointment when my back to school clothes shopping was done at Family Dollar and Dollar General... Just things like that. Not saying I deserved the kinds of things she did and said. But I understand more how hard it was for her. I wish she hadn't taken out her frustration on me though. We struggled for years after I left home. But two years ago I got very sick and slipped into a coma for 9 days and was in the hospital for 45 days total. After everything she's said and done it didn't matter how strained our relationship was. As soon as I was awake enough to talk I cried and asked for "my mommy." It took a week for the hospital to get ahold of my family but when they did she was the first person I remember seeing . I was still in and out of consciousness and on a lot of pain meds and even hallucinating but there she was sitting in a chair pulled up right up against my bed. When I was discharged a month and half later it was her who picked me up and she had set up my old room for me. This case with Joan and Elizabeth is so infuriating bc I know how horrible it feels to want that love and how amazing it feels when/if something changes and you get a chance to feel what a loving mother daughter relationship can and should be like. I think Joan used her daughter as a pawn. Joan planned that for months- buttering her up taking her out to eat and to movies and whatnot. I hope Elizabeth can manage to get truly rehabilitated while in prison...come to terms with the murder she committed and seek forgiveness from God and from her family. Maybe the second half of her life will better than the first.

[@sharonwilfong503]

People who think like this are beyond my comprehension. Thank you for your analysis.

[@Ad-Lo]

I know.

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

I completely agree when you said that “Joan had a terrible understanding of love.” The lack of love and attention while growing up, made her unable to foster strong and meaningful relationships. The way she treated those around her was shallow and manipulative. In my opinion, she spent her life and did whatever was necessary to get the attention and “love” that she never got as a child. I am not justifying her actions nor do I think that everyone in her situation would do the same. However, in this case I believe that her childhood had an important role on the way she navigated the world. Excellent analysis Dr. Grande, thank you.❤️

[@bthomson]

Rejane - A carefully thought out balance of blame and understanding as always! You never disappoint!💐

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

@@bthomson Aww Judy, that’s so kind of you, thank you!☺️😘

[@OhtheSuffering]

What an abhorrent mother. To use your love and affection as leverage to persuade your child to kill someone is truly despicable.

[@Ad-Lo]

“Love and affection”? Where was that?

[@DottieMinerva]

@@Ad-Lo yeah maybe more power and manipulation. She’s a narcissist mom to a T in the worst way.

[@cutienerdgirl]

This case is an example of Generational Trauma and Generational Abuse. Joan became just like her parents. 😔

[@animillation]

And so did her children

[@Vroomerz]

"She was still in love with the money. That relationship was just fine." - Brilliant

[@charliewaters5289]

"This is Dr. Grande. Today's question is, what the fuck is wrong with people?"

[@frankpaya690]

I think it's a pretty safe bet that the majority of people who make a living, one way or another selling themselves sexually have had a difficult past in one way or multiple ways.

[@aug3014]

Vast majority.

[@HahnJames]

I feel bad for the other victims of this horrible crime, the daughter who was away at the time and the two boys.

[@troy3456789]

I cannot imagine what happened to the boys and other daughter. They couldve been wards of the state living in foster homes after that. You know they are screwed up; and society inherits more screwed up people as a result of their selfish, myopic parents.

[@HahnJames]

@@troy3456789 So true.

[@helenkizer9420]

The two boys were taken in to relatives and Daisy was old enough to live on her own.

[@stlvn6363]

there’s a new Netflix documentary about Jimmy Savile, would be interested to hear your take on it. He was basically a “national treasure” in the U.K. and his crimes were uncovered after a ridiculously big funeral, he was friends with Charles and Diana

[@richardhart9204]

... not sure even Dr Grande would want to analyse that horror.

[@ryanmckenna]

I always wondered what Americans made of Savile since it seemed like the biggest news for ages here in the UK. It would be worthwhile to perhaps tackle the big British celebrity pedophiles; Savile, Gary Glitter, Rolf Harris (Australian, but still very famous in the UK)

[@stlvn6363]

@@ryanmckenna yeah, I reckon if they saw a picture of him they’d be like, “and you guys were surprised at this? This was news to you?”

[@stlvn6363]

@@richardhart9204 true, I was crying during the documentary. Be interesting to hear what his opinion was on his personality profile though.

[@richardhart9204]

@@stlvn6363 Honestly, hand on my heart, I knew there was something sinister about Saville after an incident on the BBC children's program, Record Breakers, in the late seventies. Saville was a special guest on the show, and kids were asking him questions. One particularly nerdy kid (trying way too hard to sound older and more sophisticated than his few years on Earth) tried to ask Saville an overly sophisticated question but fluffed it, prompting Saville to gently, but persistently tear into that kid, completely humiliating him with sinister relish: never cared for him after that moment.

[@spit_milk]

"In order to satisfy [Joan's insatiable desire for sex], the couple became swingers. David performed well..." Oh, God. 😬 "...in the army." Oh. 😐

[@eadweard.]

Yeah that raised my brow too.

[@Traderjoe]

Who would have thought someone could meet such a high class woman at a strip club? 🤔

[@cplmpcocptcl6306]

😂😂😂😂👍🏻

[@shayb413]

I LOVE your witty sarcasm!!! 😂🤣😘

[@shayb413]

@@Warriorcock6969 She sounds like an interesting and Dynamic woman! Respect!

[@geraldfriend256]

@@shayb413 And I yours

[@shayb413]

@@geraldfriend256 And you mine? You mean you enjoy my witty sarcasm? Is that what you meant? If so, awww, Thank you!! 😊☺️

[@freeparsons7115]

I'm afraid that saying, "David performed well..." is a little bit confusing when it comes immediately after saying, "they became swingers."

[@kimwilloughby8752]

Knowing Dr. Grande’s dry-as-the-desert wit and delivery, I assumed the double meaning was 100% intentional!

[@tessajones9393]

I giggled 😂

[@helenkizer9420]

Actually David had the (smallest member) and that's one of the reasons why they started swinging. That's why he would watch her having fun.

[@nebraskafrankcourtny]

The trial for the kidnapping & murder plot of Michigan's governor Gretchen Witmer is now in jury deliberations. If you do a video on the case someday, I'll be glad to hear your thoughts.

[@sekenamcmurren2217]

😒Me too

[@DottieMinerva]

How have I not even heard about this

[@benmeiss9901]

the other governor that threw old people to the covid virus? that governor?

[@tmeservey2723]

​@@DottieMinerva You haven't been paying attention the past four years as the white power militia arm of the Republican party has been used in the attempts to overthrow democracy and install an authoritarian oligarchy. Have you heard about January 6th?

[@shayb413]

Geez, sex addiction can REALLY get you into some trouble, huh? Hopefully Dr. Grande video addiction is a much safer Addiction or I'm in some trouble!! 😘💖 Lol, Another very interesting yet disturbing case Dr. G, thanks for pumping these great videos out for us!! I'm a full on "Grande Groupie" at this point! 🤓🥰🌵❤️

[@bthomson]

Maybe the only club I might join! GG!

[@shayb413]

@@bthomson GG's All the way!! 😁 Thanks for the comment B!! 🤗

[@shayb413]

And YAY, got a ❤️ or like from the Marvellous Magnificent Dr. Grande himself! That always makes my day! 😁🥰

[@MasterMalrubius]

I’d like to see Dr. Grande’s ideas on criminal punishment/rehabilitation and how or when prison sentences should be meted out instead of probation or some type of treatment.

[@judysanchez6329]

Who needs a mother. Like her.

[@troy3456789]

Prison is odd. I'm not so sure it should be about punishment. As we know, free will is a myth. Prison should sequester dangerous people from the rest of society. US law is based upon free will. It's about the most Christian part of US constitutional law and it is seriously in need of scrapping for more defensible modus operandi. An ideal prison would not always contain different people that it contains now, but the purpose for their incarceration would be different and set a different tone.

[@juliakaz146]

Dr grande is the most consistent true crime/psych KZbinr! I always stop what I'm doing to watch his videos

[@KruezFam]

"Joan had a difficult childhood..." I see where this is going.....

[@frenshayrequeno4780]

Haha 😂

[@elle7268]

Chaotic tragic "love" stories wherein the "lovers" are so creative with betrayal and cruelty is macabre. Thank you for another insightful analysis🎗😊

[@hrafnorvaldsson1549]

It is incredible that you can produce these quality videos so frequently. Unreal work ethic!

[@shayb413]

@@rottingravensblood9106 Ok, you HAVE to tell me what made you pick that particular screen name- I MUST KNOW!!

[@shayb413]

@@rottingravensblood9106 And yes, some of us "Grande Groupies" were speculating it could also maybe involve Dr. Grande ACTUALLY being a set of triplets, or maybe some cloning involved, but definitely seems super human in SOME regard!! 😁

[@bthomson]

And ironing all those shirts...

[@cymeezer619rmh4]

@@bthomson Downey Wrinkle Release! That stuff is great! And no, they didn’t pay me to say that. But they certainly can. Really though, it’s good stuff.

[@skybluedreams77]

What I learned from this story, sex addiction + swingers + greed + life insurance + money = murder. With that combo it never ends well.

[@shayb413]

Great and TRUE observation here Celeste! 👍

[@skybluedreams77]

@@shayb413 yep 😁 those are almost always the ingredients for these type of crimes. Always ends in tragedy.

[@shayb413]

@@Warriorcock6969 oh NOT COOL Martian...SUPER NOT COOL!!

[@shayb413]

@@Warriorcock6969 Go hit up a Proud Boy's meeting and stay out of Dr. Grande's comment section maybe? I never trash on ANYONE...but.... Racism, NOT a good look dude! And I was SO digging your awesome screen name and profile pic...Boo! 😟

[@Skeptic78]

The daughter hung out with the wrong crowd? Lol, her parents were the wrong crowd.

[@shayb413]

Lol, so true and also SO SAD- I think of all the effort most parents put in to try to keep their kids and teenagers on the "right path" and around decent friends/people, it's always really sad to see when the people or person someone should be protecting their kid from is themselves. You've got some great insights!

[@marymar5276]

"And she hang out with the wrong crowd" 😂 Am pretty sure she was the wrong crowd! ☺

[@BigZebraCom]

Just a reminder I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; I'm just pointing out that this has nothing to do with the noted actress 'Shannon Elizabeth'.

[@Big_Tex]

As far as YOU know

[@BigZebraCom]

@@Big_Tex yes! only as far as I know!

[@BigZebraCom]

@@Big_Tex As far as I know, to the best of my knowledge :)

[@shayb413]

You two... funny!! 😂🤣

[@shayb413]

ALTHOUGH, the lady DID work in a TOPLESS bar, AND Shannon Elizabeth WAS the first woman/actress I ever saw topless- on American Pie....so....coincidence? 😂

[@DottieMinerva]

She thought no one would believe the word of her wayward daughter if she was caught and she was partially right. Their family believes Joan and has thrown Elizabeth to the side like trash once again.

[@ava198]

Thank you Dr Grande, a very disturbing story. I dont judge but whether its a monogamous relationship or an open relationship; any time you use sex to avoid real intimacy and connection or to avoid healing trauma and pain, people are going to get hurt. Very sad outcome.

[@kashinimeyo]

I really feel sad for Elizabeth. While she was guilty, I feel like that’s an incredibly harsh sentence for a 15 year old child who was manipulated by their abusive parent into killing their other parent. I think a maximum of 20 would’ve been completely fair not a minimum of 25-31 years. That poor girl…

[@nat3843]

I hope she's able to get out soon as her mother was the real murderer.

[@Baysidemom2]

Dr Grande's only speculating about what could be happening in a situation like this - except I'm pretty sure there's never been another story "like this" before. what a case!! 🤯

[@erinlovesleggings]

I never want to hear Dr. Grande say “swingers” again lol 😂

[@shayb413]

I DO!!!! Lol

[@mullcrumthesage6303]

She wanted the BBC. An I ain't talking bout the British Broadcasting Corporation.

[@mistibarbee8043]

Such tragic lives. I don’t think Elizabeth had a chance with a mom like Joan. But it sounds like Joan, as a child, didn’t have much of a chance either with the sorry parents she had. I don’t know how you can even begin to repair people who grew up like this. Is there a way?

[@cindydowning2141]

Christ and his atonement is the way…I do not say this lightly.

[@Platinum907]

Leaving ‘family’ like this behind and creating one’s own life with therapy & without toxic people.

[@nat3843]

​@@cindydowning2141Amen

[@nat3843]

I know people who grew up in really bad situations that are living great, decent lives. With God all things are possible. I must add, this woman is not a victim. She's a narcissist who manipulated her neglected troubled daughter.

[@daniellec7839]

I actually went to high school with Liz and Vera. A wild time when this happened. I wont say much because i did know her but this is such a crazy case.

[@MeMe-mt6xv]

I've been a fan of you Dr. Grande from under 1000 viewers, but two things here bother me. 1. Interchanging "dad" and "step-dad" especially when the fact that the victim was not the perpetrator's biological dad was one cause for the rift and crime. I don't think she would have pulled the trigger on her biological dad. 2. The Girl was only 15 - you know her brain and reasoning mechanisms are not fully formed. Add to this, the mother's past, lifestyle, and attachment style to her, and you have a recipe for a puppet. The mother was the puppeteer. I'm not saying the daughter gets nothing, but for pleading guilty she got zero leniency. I feel like her defense attorney did her an injustice, just like her mom did. So sad. I know you are clinical, and an INTP, as am I Dr. G. But a little more compassion for this child. I know it is overused, but she is a victim also.

[@troy3456789]

I think the sentence for the daughter of 20+ years is harsh too. That being said, this case is as rare as children that kill their natural parents. In fact we read more about children that kill their natural parents than we do step children that kill their adoptive parents. It's possible for a child to have just as much contempt for their natural parents (which is to say Elizabeth's contempt meter was obviously *almost* pegged). Her initial reaction to refuse the request by her mother says it was not as maxed-out as children that kill their otherwise innocent parents without prompt, without compel from others.

[@MeMe-mt6xv]

@@troy3456789 it's not about her relationship with her step-dad, my comment was about being consistent in his summary. I didn't Ike how Dr. G kept interchanging the word, only because her biological dad could have come into the story later. That's all. It's wasn't a remark on love or caring or bonding or relationship. And I truly believe she would have done whatever her mother wanted to whomever. That mother is horrible. The daughter needs intense therapy. She is not a threat to society. She should pay for her crime, but again, at 15 a person is not fully functioning.

[@troy3456789]

@@MeMe-mt6xv I agree with you that she's more of a victim (first of her depraved mother and father, now of the justice system). In the case of Elizabeth, I can get behind the idea of sequestering her from peaceful society at least for a time, because it didn't take much for her mother to talk her into premeditated murder of her provider and benefactor. During her sequestration from peaceful but vulnerable society, she should only be in contact with those dedicated to helping her out of her worldview that creates nothing but needless suffering for herself and others. She needed to be freed of that, otherwise it is entirely possible she will be hell-on-wheels upon her physical liberation.

[@MeMe-mt6xv]

@@troy3456789 I hear you. Peace.

[@stellar927]

Thank you so much for uploading everyday! This is getting me through ramadan fasting haha :)

[@shimahero]

Can you do a video on the personality of the actor Klaus Kinski?

[@glendasully]

I've never heard of this horrible case so thank you for the analysis. Oh the mother is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. She's an evil & manipulative woman. Her coddling Elizabeth was enough to convince me. I had a cold, selfish, abusive, & very manipulative mother. Nothing was out of bounds so that she could get her way

[@troy3456789]

I'd of been okay with a decade sentence for Elizabeth, as long as the state can provide intense mental health treatment for her. All the problems she has is rooted in the depravity of her parents. Undo that, and it could release her from her own shackles of misery. I'm uncertain 'mental health' (as it is) is enough of a science yet enough to help her at this point in time though. There is a lot of mental health clinicians that promote faith-based religion, and that needs to be scrapped altogether for something more defensible such as mindfulness, ethics training and theory.

[@glendasully]

@@troy3456789 I agree with you, Robert

[@troy3456789]

@@glendasully I am sorry you didn't have a great mother. I used to be jealous of other kids that appeared to have great relationships with their fathers. I was afraid of both my real father and my stepdad; both were pretty horrible people. I didn't do that way with my son. I didn't talk inappropriately with him either, or threaten to harm him like my step dad did with me.

[@leylamoody3177]

What a horrible, manipulative woman! Thank you for the amazing analysis, Dr. Grande! ❤️

[@lnc-to4ku]

Poor David, chose an absolute monster to marry! And what an insane lifestyle! I agree with you completely that Elizabeth has to serve time for her cold blooded action, and also that her mother should be held most accountable. Your content is always brilliant, Dr. Grande! Thank you again for all your very hard and thoughtful work!!

[@shawnnewell4541]

How the hell did the Army not know about this? I can't say I feel sorry for David or any of them.

[@robertgiles9124]

They were too busy keeping Gay people out.

[@navinjohnson2109]

The military is woke?

[@Ad-Lo]

@@navinjohnson2109 🤣😂 your comment made my day. Thank you.

[@TorzJohnson]

I'm sure the Army DID know. David likely had a security clearance which would involve a background investigation.

[@shawnnewell4541]

@TorzJohnson Then, he should have been stripped of it. It sounds like he may have been blackmailing his evaluators.

[@yayakelley7771]

I believe Joan did indeed pressure Elizabeth to kill her step father. I don’t think Joan possessed any maternal feelings towards her children, specifically Elizabeth. Sadly, Elizabeth was nothing but a pawn in Joan’s eyes. I feel Elizabeth’s sentence was excessive. She was a very troubled 15 yo girl who was desperate for her mothers attention and affection. I think with the proper therapy (which just doesn’t happen in the US prison system) she could learn to deal with her trauma and perhaps live a productive life.

[@regional1000]

You drunk? Excessive for murder? Not even close. She got exactly what she deserved. There are people who did nothing got the death penalty.

[@yayakelley7771]

@@regional1000 entitled to your opinion but your not entitled to your attitude. Maybe Dr Grande can refer you to a good therapist in your area. Have a nice day! 😁

[@mullcrumthesage6303]

My analysis...the step father was molesting Elizabeth and Joan did nothing to protect her Daughter. This is evident by her trying at the end to be a good parent..in the end she failed. To get back at her parents, Elizabeth planned on killing them both but couldn't bring herself to pull the trigger on the mother. Still holding contempt for her mother..she implicated her in his death. Happens everyday.

[@renee1961]

Reduced clothing zone! Love your sense of humor, Dr. Grande!

[@Whol3NothaL3v3l]

Interesting how quickly people judge "bad" children, but not bad parenting. Both of this girl's legal guardians chose to live as mattresses but when asked what was going on, the so called family members were quick to point out the character flaws of a neglected child. Every adult involved in this madness should have been charged with child neglect. They were all living like sewer rats. And that girl should have been placed in some therapy and related services, NOT prison. America is riddled with neglectful parents who bear no responsibility or consequences. Meanwhile children are paying the price.

[@zenawarrior7442]

No time for anything but sex? Swinging usually turns out bad. Amazing what low character & conscience people have, then add guns for easy murder, terrible outcomes. Thanks Dr G for the break I needed😊💛💛

[@Somegirl811]

Do they? It seems they always end badly but then again maybe that's just the cases we hear about. I'm definitely not into it, just curious of there really are a silent majority of people pulling it off.

[@zenawarrior7442]

@@Somegirl811 Hard to know as no one will do a census but sure most aren't great situations, or they wouldn't be swinging in first place. Too much jealousy, chance of disease, moral issues etc. Not sure your point?

[@zenawarrior7442]

@@shayb413 Yeah sure. I'll pass. I have better things to do.

[@Somegirl811]

@@zenawarrior7442 my point? It's pretty clear. I'm just stating that we might not hear about the cases where everything goes well and thus have biased perspectives. For instance, I don't think most swingers neglect their kids. It's usually older couples that have adult kids and want to spice up their marriages and stuff, I think. It's just an interesting topic to me. Like today I was at the grocery store and vogue magazine had an article "Is Monogamy Dead" or something, and it gave me a spooky feeling. And I do know a few people that seek a polyamorous lifestyle and I wonder if it's truly unhealthy or if some people just can't handle it. I think I would feel insecure and scared my partner would develop feelings for the other person like Joan did for Jeff, but I might feel differently if I was married for 20 years and counting the years I had left to have fun in life.

[@shayb413]

@@zenawarrior7442 I hope the extremeness of my sarcasm came through on my comment, it was completely a joke, I hope that came through- I actually agree with you 💯!!- I don't understand that lifestyle at all! I'm not one to judge, but yeah, the diseases running rampant, as well as the fact that in my opinion, sex should be much more of a special connection between 2 people who care about each other- I don't see any way the "Swinger Lifestyle" doesn't lead to disaster. I was just trying to be funny with my comment. I have known friends or people who have tried "open marriage", and in the few cases I've known people personally, EVERY ONE ended up falling for someone else they were "having fun with" and they all ended up divorced. Sad bc in all 3 cases kids were involved, just feels extremely selfish with kids involved, but again, I do try not to judge people for adult choices. Hard to see how that one could ever go well though!! Just wanted to make CLEAR my first comment there was a TOTAL joke! I've seen you in Dr. Grande's comment section several times, and always enjoy your comments as a fellow Dr. Grande fan FYI! ❤️

[@maureeningleston1501]

In a situation like this, I really want to be sick!! :(

[@Swansong321]

IKR!..it knocked me sick too!..the boring obsession with sex, the manipulative nature of the mum, the murder..just awful all round!

[@bc5993]

“Reduced clothing zone” made me lose it! I never get tired of the dry humor. 👌

[@rayross997]

Please cover Charles Starkweather & Caril Fugate? Thanks Dr. Grande.

[@jonaswhite5842]

There’s a special place in hell for parents like Joan. Truly a black-souled human being

[@scroogemcduckrich9705]

“white souled”

[@kathydove3148]

Thanks Dr. Grande for getting to the bottom of this case. So many sins and evil deeds took place here. From Joan's poor upbringing to her immoral lifestyle. I hope people realize that a strip club is not the best place to find your future spouse. I believe the outcome of this case is appropriate and justice has been served. I hope Elizabeth receives good counseling so that when she is released from prison, she can become a law-abiding citizen. ⚖

[@Platinum907]

Why have 4 children if you want this lifestyle? Why have any children if they are not your dedicated focus.

[@elizabethhamm5320]

This case is so tragic. It’s a shame that Elizabeth didn’t have a trusted adult who she could confide in. Interventions when she was sneaking out, vandalizing, and using drugs may have made a difference

[@saintmya]

Hi Dr. Grande, I love watching your videos! It would be really interesting to see you cover the Jimmy Savile case. It blows my mind how complacent everyone was and how his whole life was really a lie.

[@renee1961]

Good evening 🌆, Dr Grande! 🙋🌵🪴🌵🪴☘️ How are you doing? Enjoying your night 🌃, hopefully! Thank You! Hello, everyone! 🌞🍀🌝🌚☺️

[@chakkakon]

Off topic: Is that cactus decoration really a bong? I’m not diagnosing anyone, just speculating as to what may be happening.

[@rpc717]

It never ceases to amaze me how completely morally bankrupt people can be.

[@bdml77]

Right? So gross

[@millabasset1710]

What an odd way for a mother and her daughter to share a bond.

[@bronxbutterflyrivera78]

It amazes me that their are women out there like this

[@MiMiAndMiso]

It's starting to become very difficult to watch your videos... 15 minutes with 5 ads... Seems excessive.

[@MyMediterranean1]

It’s disgusting 🤢 to see responsible army man involved in this dirty relations… all of them are disgusting David, his wife & daughter also Jeff

[@ProjectShinkai]

I mean he was responisble. He had an open relationship.

[@cutienerdgirl]

Many people in the Army cheat.

[@caucasoidape8838]

I'm not a fan of this increase in polyamory. It's especially prevalent in the gay male community. Finding something meaningful was already hard enough as it was.

[@rosenbaum75]

Maybe if she spent less time on her back she could have cleared her house

[@alhana8293]

Lol

[@shayb413]

Hey sometimes my house gets a little messy...not often though....😂

[@hollywoodartchick]

Another great one. I like the emphasis on how much power a mother has over a teen daughter, and how the sudden interest her mom paid her (as well as the incessant haranguing) could strongly influence Elizabeth's choice. I wish we knew more about what she believed before the killing might be the outcome. Did she believe her mom would cover for her? DId she believe their stories would be good enough to fool the cops? Did she already know she was bound for prison but thought she would not get a heavy sentence? I would love to have been a little mouse listening to them discuss that.

[@thelocalmaladroit8873]

This story is beyond my comprehension. And I’m ok with that.

[@betterbee1304]

And the parents of the year award goes tooooooooo... not these people... Sounds like something out of Fatal Attraction.

[@importon]

"there are 6 people in the Shannon residence" Am I watching a kung fu movie?

[@m.f.richardson1602]

Thirty-one and a half years. Never heard of a half year. Always interesting. Thank you. Peace 💕🇺🇲

[@rullmourn1142]

I know of this case, both the mom and daughter are deceitful, and selfish to the enth degree. Elizabeth's prison record shows over 55 infractions by her at this time. She will be released from prison when she's 42-43, and will most likely be a problem for somebody..

[@troy3456789]

Maybe she harms almost everyone in her life after she is released. It's good reason to be compassionate with everyone we have in our lives, because we are all affecting one another in one way or another. We can inspire each other to be our best selves; or we can breed contempt, dishonesty, anger, jealousy, mindlessness, ignorance, laziness and entitlement, and literally steal the happiness from others in their lives, like waves going out in a pool from a stone being thrown into it.

[@robray7106]

Note to self: a topless bar is not the ideal place to meet a long term faithful partner.

[@McGeeification]

“Major Shannon’s Mistake”: Even though Major Shannon had some abilities he wasn’t especially bright. Why should I make these rather less than complimentary remarks? First off, why spend time and money at topless bars? It doesn’t make any sense. It’s ridiculous and wasteful. Second why get involved with a nymphomaniac? It can’t possibly end well as we will see in this narrative. Third, why for god’s sake get involved with troubled teenagers. Only morons makes these choices. Therefore Major Shannon might have been good material for the army, but he was a complete failure as a human being. Thank you!

[@troy3456789]

I married a nympho. It was a blast until it wasn't. She went through 4 more husbands after me, and cheated on all of them. We're actually all friends 😂

[@theglobalvagabond3074]

I must be missing something. Why do so many people think that marriage automatically equals companionship? There are many forms of companionship. A coffee at the beach with a close friend is a trillion times better than searching for a life partner at a strip club. SMH.

[@atolm1]

While i agree with you, when you want SEX , the coffee and friend arent going to cut it.

[@J.C.3]

Can you do Ryan Goslings character named Driver from the movie “Drive”. Very interesting character study, I wonder if he’s a psychopath, sociopath or neither.

[@jvharbin8337]

U still just crank the fuck outta these videos!! Unbelievable!

[@sixthsenseamelia4695]

🐛🐛 Dr T.... Your eyebrows are particularly expressive today. Agave caterpillar cactus practice. 😆 Yeah, I know. Agave is a succulent. However succulent doesn't rhyme with practice 😂

[@LDiamondz]

Mother and daughter murder team? This should be a good one! (Aren't they all?) 👍

[@zenawarrior7442]

😊👌❤True. Settling in to listen here.....

[@bthomson]

The only two times I ever remember Dr. Grade getting any real push back on his videos were those about Tolle and Paris Hilton! But people were still very respectful and granted that he had some good points.

[@zenawarrior7442]

@@bthomson Yes but the body language one has some opposition feedback too...have a great 🌙🌉night.🍷💜

[@zenawarrior7442]

And hope you are well😉💛💚💛Always like seeing you here💟😘

[@LDiamondz]

@@bthomson👍 Hi there, B. ❤That's true, he doesn't get a lot of pushback. There was some on the Sad Guru video, too. Maybe the Chris Chan video? Can't remember. He's definitely way more right in his opinions, than not.

[@jacobbaird951]

Can you do a video on the Mafia hitman who escaped from a boarding house after spending 29 years in prison?

[@mritzs5142]

I wonder what David’s sexual life was like before he met her, Did she turn him out? I remember this case The daughter, better off in prison for many years , otherwise one can only imagine... Joan was grooming her own daughter for murder, the weak one

[@wrmlm37]

I thought you were going to say, "David performed well in bed". I'm so sorry, Dr. G. You teed it up for us;) Oh, goodness, this is what is truly meant by the word, "tawdry". Oof.

[@bnic9471]

Stay away from strippers and other obvious opportunists for Pete's sake!

[@MakerInMotion]

They call it "slut shaming" but they should just call it common sense. Sluts are dangerous untrustworthy people.

[@fourfurrypotatoes]

Have you ever done a video about the psychology of bullies? I think that would be interesting.

[@TheBuzzati]

What...are..these people.

[@Room-uc5se]

Reduced Clothing Zone is my new band name

[@Swoop187OG187]

This is the most messed up stuff I have ever heard...smh

[@pierre6625]

Hello Dr. Grande, I agree with some viewers' comments on this type of lifestyle will most of the time end in a very bad way.(as Celester mentioned ). I also think that your comments on separating sex and love can be dangerous in these types of games "but as you said, there is always the chance of getting attached to a partner, without really knowing what he or she really feels. You are exceptionally good at what you bring to us, thank you so much for your efforts. Best Regards. ❤👍

[@nhmisnomer]

Joan and David is a nice shoe brand. For a brief moment in the beginning, I thought Dr. Grande was going cover a story in footwear fashion.

[@geraldfriend256]

Joan and Jeff shoes tho

[@renee1961]

A mother and daughter Murder team???!!! The family that slays together, stays together??? Good God!

[@danielberntsen3252]

I would be quite interested in what you had to say about the case of Jimmy Savile

[@tortimeese]

LOVE LOVE LOVE the coral shirt Dr. Grande! You should wear colorful and vibrant shirt. Pantone’s Color of the year include, Living Coral (there you go), Millennial Pink, and Ultra Violet, which would make your skin tone creamy. Great video, Dr. Grande. Lastly the crown for.Pantone Color of the year is Greenery-meant to inspire unity and hope.

[@iamcherreymaiya]

Dr Grande can you do an analysis of Amos Yee?

[@tinawindham6958]

Those two parents didn’t have time for kids. They were too busy doing their own thing.

[@eadweard.]

Knobbing.

[@sheilagravely5621]

There are some sick,sick fkrs out there!

[@TheIddieMorris]

Really liked your differentiation of inculpatory vs. exculpatory elements of this situation.👍

[@thearchangel9835]

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[@steveeuphrates-river7342]

Pretty sick and sad all around

[@Tarhelix]

Could u do a vid on Sir Jimmy Savile? 😉☝️

[@birdworldist]

Yesss king go offff 👑

[@HD-mo7tk]

I am very skeptical of Joan (the Mother) being involved in the murder. Elizabeth was furious that her stepfather was disciplining her and all the so called evidence was based on what Elizabeth said. At the end of the Dateline when both were given a chance to speak, Joan spoke to Elizabeth and I believed her words. Elizabeth refused. I believe she falsely accused her Mother and couldn't look her in the eye. Elizabeth planned it all, including disposing of the gun. Joan would not involve so many people, IMO

[@GivingTechnically]

I was in prison with Elizabeth. She is such a a sweet girl. She was my bunk mate. I love this girl and she in Prison because of her mother. 😢😢

[@navinjohnson2109]

Is Will Smith paying attention?