Mother and kids jump off Niagara Falls

[@Mmmmm83838]

I can’t imagine the horror that 9 year old must have gone through

[@dutchik5107]

Yeah right. At least the baby didn't understand it yet

[@drewberriesandcream]

facing death is scary enough, but facing death at the hands of the person literally responsible for your safety must be terrifying. 😢

[@curseword.official]

Literally looking at my 9yr old daughter right now and have the worst chills... I don't even pray but imma be talking out loud to that little one for the next few days 😩

[@zukostryder]

Exactly like I feel for the baby but... they also don't have like memories at that age but it's just trash and stupid what that "mother" did 🤬🤬🤬

[@KettleBlacktheBat]

​@@zukostryderthat "mother" needed help dealing with PPP. And as someone who has also suffered from post partum depression, yall are so fucking quick to judge and so slow to actually care when the mother is alive.

[@pri.sci.lla.]

I don’t think they’re ever going to find their remains. It would be so dangerous for the recovery team.

[@adrifazzari3123]

They might or might not, the park crews and police do sometimes recover bodies down the river and the gorge, I'm from the Canadian side and I've heard about a few discoveries, they aren't all public like this case.

[@ungenbunyon5548]

Theyve stopped the falls before

[@alexkelsey4000]

​@@adrifazzari3123I sure hope so!

[@drewberriesandcream]

@@ungenbunyon5548they can do that?!?!?!

[@aliciaaa1336]

For maintenance. They would never stop the falls to recover a body.​@ungenbunyon5548

[@SOS1818]

I jumped into water from 30-50 feet up (quarries in my town) i regretted it so badly half way down, it took so long and was scary... Im sick about this, take yourself out, leave the babies and other humans alone

[@janebaker4912]

Exactly

[@emiilyjaane7]

"Take yourself out" ? If someone were to come to you personally and tell you they are dealing with mental health or PPD/PPP are you going to tell them to just "take themself out" or are you going to offer help ? She told the little family that she has that she was struggling from it, Noone helped her or listened to her.

[@janebaker4912]

@emiilyjaane7 of course not. It's the thinking pattern she's commenting on. If you want to go why do you feel entitled to make that decision for another life is what she's saying.

[@SOS1818]

@janebaker4912 Thank you, I couldn't think of how to word it!

[@object1ion]

​@@emiilyjaane7 Thats pretty disingenuous of you. That clearly wasnt the intention of the comment...the deed is already done, so, yes, it would have been OBJECTIVELY better if she had taken herself out, vs herself and innocent children. CLEARLY the BEST scenario would be that she got help, but thats not what happens a lot of the time and obviously not in THIS particular situation the person is commenting on. 🙄

[@HobieInTheBox]

People dont teach you that this shit can happen when you get pregnant and have kids. They always treat it like this fantastical wonder when it's this mental and physical nightmare.

[@genesisansbro4936]

She was focused on a man… not complaining about her kids.

[@HobieInTheBox]

@genesisansbro4936 I don't understand what you're trying to say or how it's relevant to what I said, genuinely.

[@genesisansbro4936]

@@HobieInTheBox seems like your insisting that the kids had something to do with this, or that having kids can make your life hell to the point you jump to your demise. She murdered her own kids and was complaining about a man days before.

[@HobieInTheBox]

@genesisansbro4936 well you misread my comment. I was pointing out how post partum can do these scary things and how we're not warned about it or get the necessary help for it. I don't see the error of talking about it.

[@genesisansbro4936]

@ I’m not saying there’s “error”. I’m saying she wasn’t mentioning struggles of being a mother but the struggles of loosing a man.

[@alysheimback-nielsen470]

i know someone directly affected by this. My friends were saddened by the lack of coverage. thank you for speaking about it

[@FourHuskyHomestead]

Goodness, it’s just awful.

[@Tdawgg.]

My mother went through postpartum psychosis and tried to kill my sisters multiple times. We had to hide the kitchen knives

[@memeju1ce]

i hope your mum and sisters are doing okay ❤

[@NunyaNomi]

My great grandma had it too so my great grandpa built a second small house to keep her away from my grandpa and his siblings. He didn’t want to send her away to an asylum like so many others.

[@janebaker4912]

I don't think it's that. Her posts were about her ex. I was hospitalized with PND and at one point I thought my baby was a puppy I was going to leave at the pound. I think this is narcissism.

[@esmeesmeralda701]

@@janebaker4912that’s not narcissistic. Her downfall (no pun intended) was that she centralized and prioritized that man over herself and her kids. As she said it herself she was ‘stupid and pregnant lying to herself.’ Instead of being honest with herself and seeking help for that unhealthy prioritization she killed her kids and herself all in one go. It’s TRAGIC. Horrible and chilling that children could have such horrible deaths because of unfit parents.

[@janebaker4912]

@esmeesmeralda701 it could be the illness of PND. It could be narcissism. Narcs see there children as objects not people, so they see it's fine to take them out. Was she trying to hurt the guy by dojngvthis?

[@Trinniemon]

POST PARTUM DEPRESSION IS SO REAL and so many mothers are so close to the brink! Ive been this close to driving off the bridge when my son was 6-8 months old. Sometimes id fantatize about doing it alone & sometimes taking my baby with me. For months i daydreamed about death. All the different ways i could be released from this earth and this baby who deserves better. Its horrible and I'm so thankful to be on the mend from those thoughts, 7 years later. post partumn moms are literally fighting for their lives out here and no one gives a fuck. Drs dont care once baby is out the womb. No guaranteed maternity leave. Not enough help from family. & The judgement of the general public makes these feelings shameful to admit leading to not reaching out for help when needed. & Sure the Internet will virtue signal but in reality once the new baby fever is gone, people in your real life don't care or dont care to know. No one wants to hear some one say they are praying for death. Check on your people whove given birth! Continue checking in after 3m, 6m, 9m, 1yr! This country doesnt care about life. We have to care more about our communities so these tragedies stop Rest in paradise Chianti, Roman, & Mecca 💔

[@valeriapomales7211]

huge hug

[@Ms_Nightshade]

Oh sweetheart, I’m so sorry for all you’ve been through. You are a tough, tenacious woman who is no doubt a wonderful mother. Thank you for sharing your incredibly personal experience with honesty and courage. I’m certain you gave a lot of women immense comfort with this comment. Wishing you and your kids long, happy, healthy lives.

[@rydz656]

Please learn to get over yourself and leave your children out of your terrible decisions.

[@holly452]

@@rydz656 you completely missed the point, well done

[@dinosaur___7209]

@@holly452If you click on their profile & see the other replies, its clearly just a troll who hates women. I'd ignore it

[@accidentallyamy1063]

As a postpartum nurse myself, I know her posts and her actions come across as selfish and insane… but the things Postpartum Depression/Anxiety and/or Postpartum Psychosis are capable of doing to the human brain are unfathomable at times. I hope everyone involved is able to find peace somehow, some way 😢

[@LunarEleven]

This is true of all mental disorders and in particular psychosis. People just seem to have no concept of the fact that you can be totally out of control of your mind. It's certainly hard to imagine if you haven't been through it but we cannot ever know or understand how responsible people are for their actions when they are out of their heads. It doesn't have anything to do with what kind of person they are when their brain is going completely haywire and they aren't even behind the wheel anymore.

[@gnostic268]

Kids died. Postpartum psychosis is not an excuse.

[@accidentallyamy1063]

@@gnostic268 That’s your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it! I won’t put forth the effort to explain why PPP as “an excuse” and PPP as “a reason or contributing factor” are VASTLY different in circumstances like these, because I’m not here to change an opinion I think you’re already pretty set in 🤷 I’d just encourage you to look into the actual pathophysiology of the disease with an open mind for at least additional info if anything.

[@Peridot420]

@@gnostic268they were offering an explanation, not an excuse

[@Gleowyn]

@@gnostic268 Kids did indeed die. However, not every time someone offers an explanation or deeper insight is it meant to be used as "an excuse". It's an explanation, it is a sad look into a perspective none of us wish to embody. It's tragic, it is not an excuse, but it tells us parts of the 'why' even if it doesn't make it any better.

[@ewetn1]

In my state, the county pays for a public health nurse to visit once or twice a month for the first 2-5 years of your baby's life. The nurse also functions like a social worker and can give all the referrals you'd usually need a social worker to do. I get free stuff occasionally like diapers, toys, baby books, gift cards for groceries, etc. They do developmental assessments every few months, check vitals, height, and weight each visit, and keep on top of my and my babies doctor visits and medical needs. They developed a safety p!an with me in case of a natural disaster, and another one in case of a domestic violence crisis. They give handouts of information pertinent to her life stage or my own concerns.... Positive discipline, how to toilet train, pretend play, language development, etc etc and also talk through those things and teach me new stuff. Just all around provide support and resources. Can you imagine how many deaths from child abuse, neglect, and infanticide would be prevented if this was available to all new mothers in every state? I think about that a lot.

[@LivinDeadGirl420]

Omg that is amazing! How is this not available everywhere 😭😭

[@calidaodiom4761]

What state are you in?

[@AngelFish479]

This is similar to the UK

[@UnluckyOctopus]

This feels like a HUGE rights violation. What would prevent them from taking poor kids to adopt to wealthy families? I don’t want a random stranger chosen by the government that involved in random children’s lives. Also who funds this? What is the government getting out of it because I promise you cooperations/governments never do anything altruistically.

[@lindacosma2064]

My state too

[@delaniedark]

As someone who lives in Buffalo (20min from Niagara Falls) it’s far too common that people commit suicide in the Niagara river and over the falls. A woman drove her car into the river not too long back and died before they recovered her body. It’s truly tragic and sad. I wish she had felt like she could leave her children with someone instead of ending their lives as well.

[@birdOfswords]

I wonder if she did it to spite the father :/

[@emmagatewood3898]

Oh wow. Did her car go over the falls?

[@emiilyjaane7]

​@@emmagatewood3898 yeah back in 2021, She rolled down the back windows so the water would fill her car, she died before they got to her, if I remember correctly in was winter there and the water was freezing.

[@br8kadawn]

I'm also in Buffalo. So sad. ✌️❤️🙏

[@janebaker4912]

Ewwww! You did that for a man. Evil. Sick. She'd be a narcissist. They think their children arent human, but possessions.

[@plicketyplunk]

First thing I thought of. You said it perfectly.

[@emiilyjaane7]

She was my moms neighbor for sometime when her son was born. She was all alone, all the time. She was never like this when we were around,my sister even had her on FB. She never used to talk like that. She was dealing with mental health all alone even when she moved to a different county. Noone helped her even when she put out all the signs. Everyone is so judgemental. I pray it never happens to them or someone they love. PPD/PPP is as real as it gets but people are just ignorant and choose not to look into what it does to a woman. I pray they all find peace and the light. 🕯️🕊️🙏🏻❤️‍🩹

[@jooxumja]

Ohmygod I forgot I had my playback at .75 speed and the whole time I’m thinking you’re drunk ! 😅

[@RandomSwiftie13]

Ex-partners do tend to cause harm to their own children just to hurt the person who doesn't love them so they hurt the thing that they do love. This could be the case as to why she chose to take the kids with her.

[@LokiMartin]

This was my exact thought. It felt more like a revenge thing than anything else. Almost as if she was saying, "You see what you have done!" by not just taking her own life, but taking the children's as well. A horrifying thought.

[@birdgod5584]

Only an ex who is a pure sociopath would do something like that. I'd hope the majority of exes would never do something like that. It also seems to show they don't even see those children as people, but as objects.

[@RandomSwiftie13]

@@birdgod5584 to be honest, most parents don't see their kids as people until puberty hits and the kids get the teen attitude phase going all the way up until they are adults.

[@TakaChan569]

We don't know the facts, but the fact some of you are trying to throw the blame at the ex's feet is kinda messed up.

[@LokiMartin]

@@TakaChan569 Nobody is throwing blame at the ex's feet. We are simply stating a fact, that some people do this to spite their ex. We don't know the details, very true, but there is precedent for what people are saying. I hope you said something to the people who are also trying to paint this as post-partum depression/psychosis and other narratives that people are trying to weave into this when the truth is that we don't know what happened and never will because the only person who could tell us took her own life and that of her children.

[@jacquelinevillarreal657]

Extremely Sad…💔💔💔

[@jdabijouxxx8251]

My friend just recently jumped off the Canada side, it’s so scary living around a landmark you never know what will happen

[@Louise.MacDonald]

🥺

[@my_cousin_mose9782]

There are bridges and tall buildings all over the place. If someone's gonna do it they're gonna do it.

[@oophelia46]

Truth be told, this woman was a councilor herself, so I don't think she was unaware of the mental health resources that exist. Post partum is no joke, but it's not accurate to say she didn't have access to help. Sadly she didn't choose that route.

[@The-Oneness11]

When it comes to postpartum depression, the individual suffering from it will not seek help because they are in the state of delusion. It's basically up to those around them to recognize and get them help.

[@drewberriesandcream]

i can understand how unrequited love can make a person sewer-slidal, but there is NO EXCUSE to take the kids with you.

[@EricaChavira-on4oz]

Nicely said ❤

[@brookemiller5015]

This happened in my area, it’s horrible, especially the young boy, he apparently tried to get away from her right before she pushed him😢

[@brookemiller5015]

She was also a mental health counselor

[@longstrangetrip9920]

I was wondering if he jumped by himself or she pushed him in after reading he went first 😢 so heartbreaking I can’t even begin to imagine his fear 💔

[@DevHazy]

Omggggggggg

[@ChrissyCat87]

Omfg, that poor boy! 😭

[@Buncode7]

nah bro why arent people talking about this part?! WHAT THE F

[@DevHazy]

The part that hurts is the 9 year old before after during just the wealth of knowledge he had about this fact of what’s happening 🤢

[@katiehagan2066]

I wonder if it was postpartum depression I wish more people knew the signs they were clearly there

[@aaaabbbbyyyy]

It makes me wonder too. So tragic and misunderstood if it was

[@casanoballs]

It doesn't matter if it was postpartum or not. Anyone who k¡lls a child is clearly unwell, but that's not a reason to act like they're a victim. No one acts like Judith Barsi's father was a victim, why act like this woman is?

[@samanthafairweather9186]

As someone who has gone through postpartum depression three times, there's no excuse for taking the kids with her. I'm so sick of people using this as an excuse for murdering kids.

[@aaaabbbbyyyy]

@@samanthafairweather9186 I agree, there is no excuse for taking any child’s life. My only thought is that ppd can get really, really bad. Not that it happens to everyone the same but it could play a part as to why she was potentially unstable.

[@britneyforever1396]

@@samanthafairweather9186I’m thinking not PPD, but postpartum psychosis. Also just because you had one experience with the disorder doesn’t mean somebody can’t have another. Yes what she did was awful but the system failed her. Somebody should have realised she needed help.

[@turdferguson9356]

I think the animosity comes from the apologetics that get deployed for a hurt person who hurts people... their pain rolls over them and onto those around them, furthering the cycle of trauma, we defend those who break this cycle, not those who further it

[@saramarie9678]

Well said!!!

[@haunted_lunchbox]

This breaks my heart in a million pieces 💔

[@Littlelikeme92]

This doesn’t really seem like post partum. It sounds like she was depressed because she was in love with someone who didn’t love her back. Considering her career she did have mental health resources available to her but she didn’t peruse them. If a man was depressed because a woman didn’t love him back then killed his kids then himself y’all would be singing a different tune. There’s no proof that she has PP and I haven’t heard anyone come forward to speak on it.

[@Blindinglights25]

Exactly! What she did is in no way excusable.

[@Namanzw]

Exactly ppl r so simple minded & don’t want to hold women accountable it makes me sick

[@Littlelikeme92]

@@Namanzw I didn’t say that. I would agree that there seems to be a bit of a misplaced feeling of camaraderie or protectiveness because post partum is absolutely real but not every woman that kills her children are experiencing it and they need to be help accountable. If it was a man that did this he would immediately be demonized and no one would even consider giving him the benefit of the doubt.

[@The-Oneness11]

​@@Littlelikeme92But men don't go through hormonal changes related to pregnancy.

[@Littlelikeme92]

@@The-Oneness11 I am very well aware. My point is we can’t just assume every time that a woman kills her kids that it’s because of post partum. Sometimes women are pieces of shit too. That’s all.

[@RhoadesLessTraveled]

In a small town near me, a woman who had mental health problems, took the lives of her 3 daughters and then her own. It's always hard to find empathy for the killer, but some people who are suffering really think it's the best option. I feel awful for any family that experiences anything as complicated as that. ):

[@MaraJadeSkky]

She could have atleast given the kids to the father or other family.

[@westernbody]

She might have done it this way to spite the father and his family

[@Alexwhywest]

@@westernbodyor she may have had postpartum depression and psychosis. We don’t know. We cannot assume it was out of evilness.

[@belovedobserver]

They should have intervened when she was making all those posts. I’m sure there were warning signs, and family should have stepped in.

[@eveangel8967]

@@Alexwhywesthow could she have psychosis if she was posting coherent tweets about missing the baby daddy. she killed herself out of grief clearly and the kids to draw his attention

[@whydoialwaysspill9763]

@@belovedobserver unfortunately a lot of families don’t realize the depth of the issue and downplay it. Some people don’t even care. I told my own parents I was having SI at 13 years old and they just told me everybody feels that way, and did nothing to help. It’s sad.

[@deeeno6867]

Some people have no idea how dark post partum depression can get and it shows

[@DameVonBonDaisy]

This happened a few yrs ago too. Idk what’s going on but it is so sad.. esp when I have loved ones near there. It’s sad

[@tiredofitall9213]

I get it. Love hurts like a B! But people saying "ShE DiDn'T WaNt To LeAvE HeR KiDs BeHInD" are ridiculous! I can't imagine what that little 9 yr old boy, Roman, thought or felt when leaping to their demise unknowingly... The man she spoke about wasn't his father :( This is just all so sad. We lost my daughter's father 9 yrs ago and it still hurts. I also couldn't imagine hurting my child(ren) just because I'm hurting... My goodness... Those poor babies & their families 😢

[@Alexwhywest]

she may have had postpartum depression and psychosis. We don’t know. We cannot assume it was out of evilness or out of selfishness. Psychosis does insane things to the brain, just because you can not imagine doing it does not mean you are immune to it yourself.

[@user-pi3hd2bt3f]

​@@Alexwhywestwhy not? People assume the worst in other people all the time. Two innocent children lost their lives, that doesnt change no matter if this woman was mentally sound or not when she killed them. Her family or the family of those babies have suffered an incredible loss. Yet people only seem to feel sympathy for the mother.

[@gnostic268]

​@@user-pi3hd2bt3fThere are a shit ton of people who will excuse the mother but if it was the father, thet would be running around with pitchforks ready to burn him at the stake. So ridiculous.

[@user-pi3hd2bt3f]

@@gnostic268 exactly. But you cannot say that without people calling you sexist

[@nope748]

Dad's don't typically get postpartum, bruh

[@deborahg2407]

I read in one post that the baby’s father had served time for injuring a young stepchild. I have no source other than the internet. The mother worked in the field of domestic violence.

[@pummy44]

Over a man...wow

[@EricaChavira-on4oz]

It probably wasn’t just that. It sounds like a lot of things just building up over time.

[@mishaa7263]

Niagara Falls is so accessible to unalivers the barrier fence is only waist high 😭😭

[@david-dj8or]

Don't tell lawyers or they will jump on the case to make a dollar.

[@bumbygrl]

Listen when somebody's already at that point there's not much you can do to stop them in the moment. They will find one way or another if that is what they want to do

[@LokiMartin]

It's disgusting that the state doesn't step in to make it less possible for people to take their lives there. It's like they want them to do it.

[@jess9012mess]

@@LokiMartinthe river is miles long. If you fall or jump in anywhere near the mouth of the falls there is zero chance of you swimming against the current, unfortunately.

[@thefellowshipoeccentricfor3669]

@@LokiMartinI disagree that the state has done NOTHING to prevent stuff like this. There was one news report about this that talked about how there are different poles around Niagara Falls that have phones with direct lines to crisis centers. I think that there’s probably something to be said about not only a need for community to reach out when someone might be mentally suffering, but also encouraging people to reach out when THEY’RE suffering, especially when the resources actually are PHYSICALLY in front of them! She was suffering, and I’m sympathetic, but she had a responsibility and at some point, she just handled everything completely wrong.

[@vanessadragon9143]

Sounds like postpartum depression/anxiety, and issues with the father leaving her hopeless. I feel bad for the mother and children ❤️

[@KreeZafi]

I'm no mental health expert by any means but to me it feels more like postpartum psychosis. Taking not only your own life but also both of your children's seems leaps beyond "just" depression or anxiety (not at all to downplay those things but they're usually not that extreme)

[@MsAngie1011]

My dad fell off a cliff in the most westerly point in Australia. He was rock fishing without the proper climbing gear after a rainy night the rocks where extremely slippery. He fell twice the first time got back up. His friend said sit down mick the rocks are slippery. then he slipped again because he was dizzy I couldn't imagine the fear these children felt.

[@WileE.CoyoteSuperGenius]

I've been watching this channel since the inception:) seeing you at almost 700k is absolutely amazing and deserved ❤

[@lavendertheflower4352]

Rest in peace to all of them. I wish mental health resources weren’t so hard to come by in this country and that people weren’t too afraid to reach out for help when they need it.

[@ethxo6734]

Postpartum is real. I struggled for months, largely from sleep deprivation. It’s torture. There were so many days where I just fantasized about killing myself, how to die, praying a car would hit me and end my misery. We no longer live in community, many of us are parenting alone, in isolation. Very sad story but I can empathize.

[@sararubicubi]

Hi Giulia I usually don't write comments like these but if you could cover the situation in Spain right now I'd really appreciate it. It's something that makes you lose hope in humanity (on the politicians end) so I feel like it's on brand with your content lol

[@RJFP67]

My sister went through postpartum depression. She had twin girls and she was overwhelmed with dark thoughts and exhaustion. She wanted to hurt the babies , but she new she needed help. She went to the doctor and received support from family to deal with this nightmare. Everything worked out after that. This woman didn’t ask for help or seek medical treatment. She allowed her dark thoughts to rule her to the point of committing murder suicide 😢.

[@amy0077]

😢 Why take the innocent kids? 💔 to get back at baby daddy? A horrible decision

[@metalcat55]

Its hard to explain/understand but its like you feel the world is so bad and you dont want to leave them the trauma of you dying. So the bad logic is, i guess we all go together.

[@Alexwhywest]

she may have had postpartum depression and psychosis. We don’t know. We cannot assume it was out of evilness. You are ignorant.

[@gnostic268]

​@@AlexwhywestOMG stop spamming every comment with your "postpartum psychosis" crap. The kids are dead and whatever the reason it's not okay. Kids are dead. Stop virtue signaling. Jfc.

[@Skootroot]

​@@gnostic268 literally just copy + pasting

[@belovedobserver]

@@gnostic268it is important to educate ppl like yourself who are clearly so ignorant about how dangerous and deadly postpartum psychosis is.

[@TheOtomeJenny]

I’ve gone to Niagara Falls twice, and on the NY side I went under the Falls. It’s sooo chilling and it was scary even going under it with all the water…May they RIP 🙏🏼

[@EllaBrookeee]

Those poor innocent babies!!! They didn’t ask to be put on this Earth, it’s the result from the parents’ actions. If you don’t think you can handle being a parent, then quit having more children! And then people want to claim “postpartum depression”. Yeah, most of us go through it, but that’s why help is available !! There is no excuse for this, those children deserved so much better.

[@Kdkdleeme]

How do you feel about abortion then? Stop having babies while we take away your choice to choose. Or are you part of the antiquated “keep your legs closed” crowd?

[@d1gitalsonder]

thank you!! it’s scary seeing how many people are excusing this behavior

[@Ichigo-HKC]

This!! I can’t believe how many people are defending her actions, it’s concerning and sickening

[@object1ion]

​@@Ichigo-HKC its as if people will normalize literally anything these days....and then wonder why mental illness and everything keeps getting worse

[@my_cousin_mose9782]

​@@object1ionI mean we've normalized the intentional murder of children in the womb. There's really no bridge too far anymore.

[@LizzyGiggles]

Mental health problems kill. There needs to be more genuine, free, non judgemental support from our society for those suffering.

[@cherricandy]

ooh there’s a special place in hell for someone who’d do this to a five month old child

[@Hailey-bz2ym]

A 9yo is worse imo because they know what’s happening. Both horrific regardless

[@DevHazy]

9 year old is worse. My kid knows like every single thing that is happening

[@ChrissyCat87]

To any child...

[@Nadezhda1932]

I get being depressed but that doesn’t give a parent the right or excuse to kill their children while ending their own life .

[@casanoballs]

It does if you're a woman, apparently

[@bluetiger2468]

@@casanoballs Why do you have to bring gender into this? Are you seriously acting like men don't do this? Josh Powell killed himself and his two sons by setting his house on fire. There have been studies that show men are far more likely to commit familicide. The main difference is, men are far more likely to also kill their wife and their children. While women are more likely to kill themselves and their children, leaving the father of the children alive.

[@Alexwhywest]

Psychosis is different than JUST depression. Psychotic depression is different. she may have had postpartum depression and psychosis. We don’t know. We cannot assume it was out of evilness. It wasn't a good choice, clearly, but it doesn't mean it was out of evil.

[@belovedobserver]

Postpartum psychosis is especially terrifying. My grandmother who passed away last year at 95 received electric shock therapy for it, and thankfully nothing like this happened.

[@eveangel8967]

@@Alexwhywestnot evilness but selfishness. She was posting coherent things on social media and she was clearly in horrible grief over losing the relationship baby daddy, this doesn’t seem like psychosis. she did something in direct reaction to feeling so sad and she killed the kids w her likely to draw his attention as well. just speculation but i wouldn’t guess psychosis and she did not seem detached from reality at all but rather unable to deal w it

[@alexkelsey4000]

What's soo dark to me is that she probably told her kids some magical bullshit story to get them to walk over the falls with her. They probably thought it was a portal to Disneyland or some shit like that.

[@DevHazy]

Sadly most people in Oklahoma where I live have creepy religious beliefs it wouldn’t surprise me if people believe shit like that it’s religious afterlife or whatever

[@Kdkdleeme]

That’s actually just something that you made completely up for some type of backstory on a real life tragic situation. That’s really weird.. You have literally no idea what happened in those moments, better to say nothing than to add some make believe.

[@seadragon1456]

I have this same question. How did she get the 9 there. If you’ve ever been by a large waterfall you can hear the rumble. NF is insane! I could feel the vibration and the sound was something I’ve never heard before. The water sounds like thunder and then there’s mist everywhere. I really don’t think a 9 year old would be calm about going.

[@LokiMartin]

@@Kdkdleeme They said probably. They never said, "Oh yes, this is definitely what happened". They were speculating how the woman got her kids to go over the falls. In a situation like this, a mother will try to keep her kids from being frightened, so it's not hard to imagine her telling them something about a portal to fairyland or Santa's workshop or something so that she could get them over the falls. They're not out here writing fanfiction about the deaths of these children, just speculating.

[@emmagatewood3898]

She may have drugged him. It was reported that security footage showed that he tried to get away from her, before she pushed him in.😓

[@JudgePettyWAP]

as a parent who struggles with mental illness and SH/SI occasionally, I've always had the intention of handing my son over to his father or father's family. As dark as my mind can get and has gotten in the past, I've never had the thought of taking my boy out with me. Our kids' lives and futures are the whole reason why so many of us work so hard and struggle through so much pain daily for...may they all rest peacefully, these tragedies are important to talk about and can put an end to someone's spiraling thoughts you just never know what someone is battling every single day 😢

[@Alexwhywest]

As someone else who has mental illness and constantly battles NSSI and SI, please… This is different. she may have had postpartum depression and *psychosis*. We don’t know. We cannot assume it was out of evilness or out of a sane state of mind. She could have had actual psychosis. I understand you’re coming from a good place and have a good heart but please know that psychosis warps your brain, she may not have ever done this otherwise. She was probably similar, never wanting to hurt her kids, but she clearly snapped, and it sounds like it may have been mania or some other disorder resulting in a psychotic state of mind

[@gnostic268]

​@@AlexwhywestStop spamming with your ridiculous excuses

[@raisinbran531]

@@Alexwhywestwe don’t know for sure but the commenters point is valid, not every mother who takes out their children has postpartum depression. There are many reasons as to why a mother would do something like this including other mental health issues and selfishness. We will never know. She was definitely mentally unwell no doubt about it, but it doesn’t matter in the end. What’s done is done. Rest in peace to the children and mother. Irregardless of why she did it.

[@minakiel2930]

To me it sounds like this mom may have had PPD or post partum psychosis. psychosis is different than SI/SH. After taking a medication that made me confused and psychotic, i feel so much empathy to those who go through psychosis. Your thoughts change completely. I wanted to jump in front of cars and drown myself to avoid walking home from school. I wasn’t suicidal. I just could not think logically. I would have done it if it wasn’t so exhausting just to take a few steps and there wasn’t a fence around all the ponds. It never occurred to me that my death would be permanent or that i could just call my parents for help. If you’ve never had psychosis please don’t judge.

[@EvenningASMR]

Can we believe in the deadly seriousness of postpartum psychosis now, please?

[@weekendnomad5038]

If you’re thinking of hurting yourself seek help but for the love of god leave your kids out of it‼️‼️‼️‼️ they didn’t ask to be here ‼️‼️‼️

[@d1gitalsonder]

This is heartbreaking and unjustifiable. Lack of a stable father figure in the family is never a reason to go to such extremes. As an adult and mother she is ultimately responsible for their safety, and proceeded to murder her children and then herself. It almost feels partly like a spiteful act towards the father upon seeing the online statements posted about him. There are emergency shelters and programs designed to help families in crisis. These are often called crisis nurseries, respite care programs, or emergency children’s shelters, and they provide short-term care for children when parents are facing temporary instability or crisis. Programs like these aim to offer a safe, temporary environment for children, helping families avoid situations where parents feel overwhelmed without support to care for the children. In the U.S., some of these services operate through local nonprofits, child welfare agencies, or hospitals. They’re typically designed to prevent neglect or abuse by giving parents a short-term break or support to stabilize their situation. Availability varies by location, so reaching out to local social services or family support organizations is usually a good first step if someone needs help finding one. Regardless of assumed character, this was an evil and preventable act that lead to 3 deaths.

[@LokiMartin]

That was exactly my thought, especially when I heard the comment saying, "Oh, she didn't want to leave her children behind, so sad let's think of her!". No, this sounds very deliberate and spiteful towards the father because he would not be with her. Also, I wonder what kind of family sees posts like these and doesn't grow concerned. My family asks me about even posts I've made as a joke out of concern for my mental health and wellbeing. How can you see her talking about missing this guy so terribly and that post about "hold your family close" and not at least check in to make sure they're alright. The lack of empathy is astounding.

[@EricaChavira-on4oz]

She probably had been crying out for help for awhile and no one cared enough to do anything. But now that she’s gone, people want to be “advocates” or judge her. Typical.

[@lifestylewithjustinej]

She had a 5 month old baby, that's postpartum and despite those posts, they still left her on her own.

[@MsMedford]

I really wish women would find validation in themselves instead of seeking it from men. LEARN TO LOVE YOURSELF!

[@piroshk1968]

I wish for that too. But I kindly ask that you look around and carefully observe how the general public talks about/treats women. No one actually gives af about us not even other women most the time. Ofc women out there act as if their only source of love is from men bc often times thats the last resort option

[@MindofMichaelMyers]

Nobody ever has to play fair. We aren't entitled to people's sanity. Be careful who you choose. Be careful who you lose. Scary world out there.

[@damattice23]

No one gives a crap about mental health until something major happens. Medical providers turn their back on you, there is so much stigma still, and judgement from others. Everyone complains about the fallout, but has no empathy or resources for the person struggling and in pain. She could have also just been a narcissist wanting to get back at her ex by hurting the kids. Who knows. It’s a messed up world we live in.

[@Blindinglights25]

She seems to have been a mental health counsellor So she had resources She was just evil

[@ornamentalhermit333]

the lack of empathy for women going through postpartum depression is insane tf is wrong w ppl

[@IamjustBruh]

The empathy ends when the children are involved

[@princessmorebucks]

​@@IamjustBruhyou stop having empathy for people when they turn 18? Hmm

[@McDonaldsFoodCritic]

Killing children but expecting empathy😂😂crazy world

[@LoveDayandAge]

If a dad did this because he was "depressed" no one would be understanding

[@jellybeans9283]

Piss off with that. You're always wrong for killing kids. Poor kids, they deserved better and must have been so scared

[@XArc7AngelX]

This is why mental health issues should be taken more seriously! So tragic, my heart is broken for their family!

[@war5561]

This is so sad. Those poor babies.. I wish there was more support for women postpartum..

[@SheilaIgles-g5c]

She took her kids with her. She loved them so much she couldn't leave them. So so sad 😢😢😢

[@Blindinglights25]

If she truly loved them she wouldn't have murdered them

[@xaviersoto4809]

I wouldn’t want that type of loveeee jus sayinnnnn🤦‍♂️those kids wasn’t ready to die

[@theriawilliams818]

We wont know anything until we hear from the father 😢

[@theboss9218]

Stop call her mom its serial killer i dont care if is her kids

[@JonéeLillard]

"Serial" would entail more than one separate incident. Multiple murder, yes, but not serial murder

[@shelbygee6283]

Don’t comment on videos to give an opinion like ever but can say mother is evil and there is not way to justify EVEN with mental illness murder if your poor babies in such a way. Many mothers go through mental illness without access to resources. Whoever is being “understanding” of her taking her children with her needs serious help too. Absolutely insane.

[@thecriticalmachine7866]

You have no empathy at all for mothers suffering from post-partum depression. None.

[@eveangel8967]

@@thecriticalmachine7866she murdered her children in cold blood. how about empathy for the 9 year old she forced off a cliff? and the 5 month old baby whose last moments were pure terror? having mental illness of any kind does not give u a magical pass to kill people. also 99.9% of mothers with the same postpartum issues she had do not kill ppl. if u explain away every evil crime w “but they were going thru something hard” u can just excuse murder in most circumstances. she wasn’t even suffering from psychosis as she was posting coherently on social media. she was suffering w horrible depression and is a victim for that but she victimized her children in the worst way possible

[@Kdkdleeme]

⁠​⁠@@eveangel8967while I agree, you can have more than enough empathy to go around. And honestly it’s kind of funny that you can ONLY find enough empathy for those innocent children. We don’t know what the situation was. We have a sliver of information gathered by the internet. You can have immense compassion for the children and also show some grace for those who you do not know and what their mental health is. You’ll understand when you grow up some. The world isn’t black and white. This woman was obviously struggling with something extreme given the circumstances? It’s absolutely no justification for her actions, but we don’t know if she was suffering from a mental illness, which is absolutely a valid reason that many suffer from. Where did you get your 99.9% statistic from? Or was that a number you just magically formed for your argument?

[@thecriticalmachine7866]

@@eveangel8967 In cold blood? You don't know. I have empathy for the mother and the kids so? Never argued mentall illness gives magical passes. On the contrary, it gives passes to hell. She was more than probably suffering from post-partum depression, one of the worst. Even if you wanna help yourself, your hormones fk you up and don't let you. I saw loving wonderful women who didn't have any issues prior to the birth of their kid unalive them because of post partum. You don't know...

[@thecriticalmachine7866]

@@eveangel8967 She should have received help. She needed help. I saw many mothers suffering from post-partum asking for help and never getting it. They are made to feel guilty instead and get no treatment most of the time. Post partum depression is still taboo.

[@lilys7431]

I too find it strange, eerie whatever you want to call it that we can review recent activities of recently deceased. The upside is it may bring comfort and explain more.

[@tammyrubidge3900]

i just found this channel. thank you @readytoglare for this video, i appreciate you and i love your background!

[@Sybilisation2010]

I’m struggling to put myself in the mother’s shoes, to have much empathy. Suicide, when I remind myself of the mental health issues of the ones who committed suicide, ok, can see that and empathise, but someone ending the lives of those they were supposed to protect, I can’t understand child murderers, can’t emphasise, sorry. Her task was to love her children, why have children when your main focus is on their father or a man. I struggle to see how she was lonely when with her children. I suppose she wasn’t able to shift her focus from the lack of a partner to what should’ve been her focus as mother. I just find this incredibly sad that she couldn’t see how precious and vulnerable children’s lives are and find happiness. I’ve had many suicides around me, and again and again I’m struggling to see that the ones who killed themselves weren’t able to think clearly and didn’t kill themselves to hurt others.

[@temporarilyimmortal795]

In no defense of the mother, having two children doesn't cure loneliness. Some that battle depression express feeling lonely in a room full of people.

[@belovedobserver]

I felt more lonely than ever after having kids. I have a loving husband, but when he had to return to work and I had a toddler and very difficult to feed and soothe newborn it was terrifying to be the only one there in charge for hours. I imagine she regretted not having the man in her life bc she needed help with the baby, and her posts were a desperate cry for help. There have been studies that show with just a 6 week paternity leave for dads the rate of mothers with postpartum depression was greatly decreased. Now, she was goin through heartbreak, and struggling perhaps to raise these kids on her own. This can all increase the chance of postpartum mental illness, and psychosis is the worst of the worst. This case I’m sure rings bells of similar moms who killed their young kids. That’s bc pp psychosis has always been around. Just do yo ur best if you know a new mom, to offer support if you can.

[@temporarilyimmortal795]

@@belovedobserver @belovedobserver Some people think there's virtue in not trying to understand the fragility of the human condition. They confuse reasons for excuses.

[@princessmorebucks]

Why do you need to empathize? Just understand she was mentally ill with little to no help or resources. It's called compassion.

[@Julienna]

There was a case of a mother jumping from a bridge with her baby in her hand in Czechia this year. Her partner, father of the child, died recently, and she could not live without him. At least it looked like that. Her act traumatized a lot of people who were with their families at that location, which is actually a beautiful nature resort with a lot of visitors. She and her baby have not survived.

[@joycarver3087]

That’s scary, another lady jumped off the falls a few days after this too 😢

[@holagataeang]

Seems kinda spiteful to me that she chose to take her kids out along with herself.

[@ReesieandLee]

I didn’t even hear about this and I read the paper every single day.

[@kingofallmediums2123]

Glare, you always bring such joyful 😃 news every morning! 😮 😮 😮 😮 😮 😂😂😂😂😂

[@LokiMartin]

Why are you posting laughing emojis when children are dead? Seems kinda gross.

[@misshoney2006]

why didnt i hear about this?? its like 20 minutes away for me

[@Tashii-h2u]

Women need more support, this patriarchal society and system are hurting woman... in Australia one woman dies a week from their partner or previous partner.

[@windy8544]

you've just watched a video about how a woman killed 2 kids... you know what, maybe those partners have mental health issues and need more support?

[@foxbuns]

horrifying. post partum is so rarely talked about and when it is it's usually dismissed and downplayed. I met a girl who had it who immediately after birth wanted to harm her baby.

[@Largemarge666]

This is just so sad. If you search for her FB name you'll see one of her friends from NF posted that she had post partum depression and she was a social worker who worked with DV victims. There are phones scattered around the park that call right into Niagara county crisis services hotline due to the number of people who go there to suicide. That's part of Niagara County mental health department. Just a FYI

[@fashiondesign42]

If it was a 5/6 month postpartum is definitely in the mix. It could have even been postpartum psychosis for all we know. But if you have never experienced postpartum depression it is incredibly difficult, having to manage yourself on top of a new life all while your hormones are just not helping. She needed help. The whole story is painfully sad. I hope they are all at peace. 🩶

[@kittenngirl]

Partpartum depression isn’t talked about enough. I had an acquaintance i went to school with that was a teen mom and she stabbed her 1 yr old baby to death after dealing with post partum depression and some issues with the babys father wanting custody. It’s such a scary thing.

[@JanetteChanning]

The father should have had custody.

[@xaviersoto4809]

Wtffff that’s crazy asllllll😿

[@thegrimlooper]

Why she did it is not okay. But understanding is important to prevent it from happening again. If she had PPD, however it’s possible this could be a different story. But, Postpartum is hard, you experience a change in hormones and things similar to a woman entering menopause, when the body no longer prepares for pregnancy. Which is huge and without proper support, being a new mom with mental health issues is hard. Especially when the mental health issues didn’t get to this point until after the babies were born.

[@MostGratefulOwl]

I thought about la llorona after learning about this event. And how that legend came about. Post partum depression has a long history

[@vixtex]

💔

[@GREENMAYNE]

Do you know if they went in on the American Falls side of Luna or Bridal Veil with the bridge?

[@angelac5954]

Unrequited love can be so crushing… I don’t think this woman was evil, she was just severely depressed and made a horrible (and permanent) decision. May all 3 of them rest in peace. Such a tragedy 💔

[@hnskiyo2784]

She isn’t evil for taking her two innocent children with her???..

[@desperanzza]

⁠@@hnskiyo2784I would say she might have been severely ill in ppd and hence a very clouded judgement. You can’t expect normal behavior from someone with mental illness. If that was the case.

[@18angiepangie]

@@hnskiyo2784no she’s not. She clearly was dealing with a severe case of postpartum depression while also being abandoned by her baby’s father during a difficult time. What she really needed was support and a community to help her. So many people don’t understand how much stress and hormonal changes can affect a woman’s mental state post birth.

[@Alexwhywest]

@@hnskiyo2784she may have had psychosis. Psychosis does not make you evil. You’re ignorant.

[@Alexwhywest]

@@hnskiyo2784of course it’s a man shaming a woman for having a psychotic break after her husband left her during PPD… psychosis does not make you evil. Being insensitive to SEVERE mental illness, however, does. Get a grip.

[@oceanicmartian]

all i can say is: 😔😔

[@kingofallmediums2123]

Hi Glare! 😩💕😔

[@sprig.sprout]

I can’t think of a scarier way to go 😭

[@zukostryder]

5:31 yep I'm with them

[@lalalalaaAa123]

Depression sucks. Post partum depression SUCKS. I wish she wouldn’t have committed suicide, but the choice to take the children with her is a level of selfish that I cannot fathom. “She didn’t want to leave them behind”… why not?? Certainly not for their sake!

[@ewetn1]

People with severe depression literally cannot comprehend reality accurately. There have been tests that show they will, for example, firmly believe a ten foot pathway they walked is 20 feet, even if they understand others walked the same pathway and it was measured at ten feet and the other people agree its ten feet. They'll just firmly argue the oath they walked was definitely twice as long (because it FEELS so much linger and more difficult). Anyway intellectually I get it but as a mother and a human........ Aaaaagggggghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! I'm so appalled with her murdering her children!!!! In the state I live in, the county pays for a public health nurse to visit you once or twice a month and provide support and resources. They can make all the referrals a social worker can, while also giving medical advice. I get free stuff like educational toys, gift cards for groceries, diapers once, children's books, etc. They also give handouts or we watch videos about stuff like positive discipkune, potty training, etc. They weigh the child each visit and keep on top of both my and her medical appointments and needs. Can you imagine how many of these tragedies could be prevented if this was available to all mothers in every state? it would decimate the child deaths from neglect, abuse, and infanticide.

[@belovedobserver]

Postpartum psychosis is different. Please do some research. Mama dr jokes had a great KZbin video on one of the first highly publicized cases that I think you should watch.

[@taylorpnw612]

Postpartum is horribe and this is heartbreaking. It was murder though. She didn't "effectively," murder her kids. She murdered them. Don't hedge it.

[@bluetiger2468]

She didn't love her kids. It's as simple as that. She viewed them as something that belongs to her. Something she wanted to take with her to the other side. Similar to you taking your wallet with you when you leave the house. You don't take it with you because you love your wallet, you take it with you because it belongs to you. You don't let other people take your wallet because it's yours. If you love your kids, you'd be willing to give them to the world because you don't "own" your child. They will grow up and be their own person. But she chose to prevent them from growing up, prevent them from becoming their own person. I do feel bad for people struggling like her, but that feeling goes away when you take other innocent lives with you. Because that is one of the most selfish thing you can do.

[@GlasGalahad]

The wallet comparison isn’t necessarily the greatest to use- in most cases, you take/don’t give it away not *just* because it’s yours, but because it tends to carry legal identification and money that would be extremely problematic/catastrophic to lose. There’s more nuance than simple ownership.

[@casanoballs]

​@@GlasGalahad Yep. More like a stick of gum or a tube of ChapStick.

[@bluetiger2468]

@@GlasGalahad Your identity is also connected to your child. You are the child's parent. It is extremely problematic/catastrophic to lose your child. But in the end, you don't love your wallet. You don't care about your wallet's feelings. You don't think about giving your wallet to someone else if you plan on ending yourself. That's why I used a wallet as an example instead of any other object. It's more nuance than a simple ownership, but you don't love the wallet. If you set your wallet on fire and destroy it, it doesn't really matter because you don't love it, you can replace everything in the wallet, but if someone else takes your wallet, it's a big problem. Not because you love the wallet, it's because it has sensitive information in it. The thought of someone else having your wallet can cause physical stress. You don't think about if the person is taking good care of your wallet, all you can think of is that person stealing your money and identity, potentially ruining your life because they have your wallet.

[@Alexwhywest]

You're an idiot because you don’t know what psychosis is.

[@Alexwhywest]

“Selfish” - please. She may have had no idea what she was doing. Mania and psychosis is terrifying and makes you do things you would never do when in your right, sane state of mind. If you can't consider this may have been a mental snap to the point of psychosis you’re an idiot. she may have had postpartum depression AND psychosis. We don’t know. We cannot assume it was out of evilness or selfishness. I hope you learn to stop seeing nothing but evil in others, because it’s clear you offer struggling individuals no grace

[@destructodanie]

Ive gone three psychosis MANY times. NOT once has anyone died. I was r4ped as a 5 year old. Thia woman has NO excuse. A reason, yeah, but NO excuse. I honestly don't take that as a reason. Ive thought cops where coming threw my windows after me because my stupid neighbor woke me up outta a dead sleep while i had brain damage feom a.cop attacking me for askign for a female officer so i wouldn't have a seizure. He didn't care. Nearly killed me, gave me a seizure and ive not been right from the r4pe ptsd since. Sid i attack my neighbor? No i punched a window out and the aounds snapped me out of it. Hee husband dragged her dumb booty away telling her. "Can't you see she's crazy and going to hurt you. So am I if you don't run!" Dragged her away. I called the cops myself. Needing an ambulance for my hand

[@SnazzyBoxx]

Selfish woman. Ended her kids lives over a man 🙄

[@shannonfilialunae1359]

wow, I didn’t hear this story and I’m from the Buffalo area

[@thereisnosanctuary6184]

Life is hell

[@moec6862]

I live near the falls. All i could do was think about those children. I have bad anixety just thinking about it. There suiside phones at the falls. Many people go there for this reason. So sad.

[@thereisnosanctuary6184]

I live near an overpass

[@wesley939]

Glare fine af. 😂😅

[@thequintessential5503]

This is so sad because i believe the system had failed her and her family. This is what manipulation does especially father who should have been more supportive so she wouldnt have lashed out on him on social media

[@medbo2772]

Considering she had a 5 month old baby, this is 100% postnatal depression/psychosis

[@yougotgamesonyourphone6947]

I really hope I have a seat in heaven, because I really can’t find a spot in my soul to have grace for parents that take their children out with them because THEY are suffering. Her entire Facebook is just her obsessing over her child’s father and him being white. I just know those poor babies were scared. They didn’t ask to be caught in the crossfire of your shitty love life.

[@longstrangetrip9920]

Absolutely agreed. Those poor souls didn’t deserve to be born in such a mess of a situation. So incredibly selfish

[@princessmorebucks]

Seat's taken. Sorry.

[@Nikki_81]

How are we playing this up as post partumn? It sounds more like a woman using her kids to get a man back! Then taking them and killing them all over a man?? I cannot imagine that poor 9 year old, knowing they are going to die, pleading to their mother to let them go and not, all over a man! This woman is disgusting and pathetic!!! may those children rest in peace, and that woman be stuck between life and the afterlife for eternity, watching the man she couldn't let go move on and be with someone else!

[@okiedokieartichokie772]

It is so strange to look at the social.media of the people i hear about in true crime. Its so easy to forget theh had real lives.