Mother Gothel's Tragic Story in Tangled (Disney)

What if... Mother Gothel DID know best? We don't know very much about her after-all, and she had lived for CENTURIES! Think of all the things she's seen and lived through. It's unfortunate that Disney's Tangled only picks up at the end of hers, so follow me as I delve (too) deeply into "who was Mother Gothel?"
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For this animated brainstorm / fun Tangled theory, I'm looking again at the Brothers Grimms' fairy tale "Rapunzel" and seeing how it tracks with Disney's "Tangled." These tales are so different, it's quite a fun adventure, as always! But, in both Grimm and Disney, I've always felt like Mother Gothel got quite the raw deal, even though she was just minding her own dang business, doing all the cool things witches do!
A single drop of sunshine, preserved for centuries under the care and protection of Mother Gothel. But, honestly, how long do you think such a beautiful gift would have lasted in the Kingdom of Corona if it hadn’t been for Mother Gothel's guardianship of it? I doubt the royal family tried to use a single leaf at first to try to brew the potion - you know, NOT kill the whole flower off the bat. Luckily, that power survives and thrives in a new form: the child, and I’d like to think it could have continued passing on down the generations had Flynn Rider not cut Rapunzel’s hair. Think of all the healing that could have been passed along throughout the kingdom! So many healers as time went on! If ONLY Mother Gothel (and the whole Kingdom?!) had acted differently, this Tangled story of Rapunzel could have been quite a beautiful story of sharing! Also, is Mother Gothel a Goddess? Is she a Witch?

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[@ravenetta6912]

Was kinda dumb they used the entire flower, like why not try a petal then you can still have the healing for the future if you need it

[@occultnightingale1106]

@Elalae La so, them using either a petal or the whole flower doesn’t matter, because they still used up all of the flower’s magical capabilities.

[@chriswedemann8599]

Depends on the Tradition of Magic they pull the Ritual from. In an Alchemic Potion or Brew, they may have pulled individual petals- in magic, there are different rules.

[@NipahDUBS]

So, they actually go into this. In Tangled the Series they show the flower again, its full, they only used on petal from the flower BUT the flower lost all its power when it was used to heal the queen, the power went into Rapunzel. They even tried to use the flower, grind it up and try and make it useable to heal something in the show but it doesn't work due to it no longer having its power.

[@regnillam]

The destructive nature of humans. It's too bad they couldn't have cultivated it and eventually had whole crops of it instead of destroying it. So is the nature of humans though, we are like locusts and destroy everything we come across.

[@dianaf8507]

Well if a little bit of Repunzals hair didn’t work I doubt a pedal would work

[@d__x2555]

Any villain with that glorious hair and voice gets a pass from me

[@ellebell9139]

My reason for liking Scar too lol

[@gwan1714]

How about frollo

[@mariacarvalho2926]

@@gwan1714 Nah, his voice is awesome but other than that he's just a total asshole

[@adeaoud3404]

YES

[@emilyperkins7626]

Fun fact: Mother Gothel's design is partly based on Cher which explains why she is such an icon

[@Silver_Sonic_23]

Yeah I’d agree that Dame Gothel is actually tamer than Disney Gothel.

[@sabercat5490]

Are you seriuous Dame Gothel almost murdered the prince va Disney Gothel lies, desceit and manipulation. Both are horrible but almost killing someone is way worse.

[@khoiphan2990]

@@sabercat5490 u h Disney Gothel also almost murdered Eugene by stabbing him with a shard of glass??? In fact, Eugene *died* and would have stayed like that forever if Rapunzel did not have magical tears.

[@michellegeller813]

That doesn't happen very often. Usually it's the other way around.

[@bituinl]

@@sabercat54902 years ago but she was also ab*sive both really bad in their own ways.

[@lizbizwiz1238]

5:13 I’d recommend checking out the Tangled cartoon series because they explore more on Gothel and her backstory in it, especially with the last season.

[@Kitty609304]

I agree and you beat me to this comment lol

[@applebee28]

Agreed. Also, another thing worth mentioning from the series - destroying the flower ended up causing an unbalance in the world, and the king was actually warned about the disasters that could happen as a result, but he went ahead with the decision to uproot it anyway. To be fair, he was trying to save his wife and unborn child, but still.

[@callmehparker946]

Cough- Cassandra.

[@josemacias8010]

Plus once you see it you will want to finish the entire series on a single watch

[@josemacias8010]

Fr remember she didn’t give a duck! About cass but only about her looks

[@CoffeeBrainzz]

It would have been extra dark if Mother Gothel killed baby Rapunzel and buried her body, soon sprouting from her grave is... a new shining flower bud 🌼 if the kingdom was able to transfer the power into soup, there’s no reason it wouldn’t find another way to manifest itself back if it found a transferable method

[@keittykit]

From that idea: What if she died from saving Eugene (after Mother Gothel dies) and, the gold-flower-sprouting-from-the-grave thing happened?

[@bri5033]

I mean, inside the flower and rapunzel was the sundrop (which is the only thing that really matters and it can't be destroyed, so the flower being used for soup and rapunzels hair being cut doesn't matter since the sundrop is always somewhere), so that seems like a highly likely outcome.

[@roninbelle804]

I actually like this head cannon, yeah it's dark but it's interesting

[@TT-bp9rz]

Oh. Ma. God you okay😳

[@roisinnigcrainn7722]

After Rapunzel dies, there will always be a beautiful flower on her grave.

[@lily_blackstone5686]

NEVER THOUGHT MOTHER GOTHEL WOULD HAVE A BACKSTORY!

[@shipperina2213]

the tangled series attempts to create a lore-based on the movie, it is pretty okay imo and it goes into an idea of her backstory

[@hunnybee_]

Watch Isaac Carlson’s videos. He has lots of them on her backstory (and just lots of great Disney videos in general)

[@taartopdekers4926]

Want a backstory? Copy the 'Pardoes legendarium' from internet and translate it. Damn that's ahead of Disney's level If you're too lazy for that, let's summarize it: Okay so basically, there is this galaxy where Symbolica is in the middle (Most important planet of the many). A little boy was found in the misty woods by this old woman Aliciana. She adopts the boy and calls him 'Pardoes' (Dutch for 'out of the blue'). Aliciana is the ex-classmate of wizard Almar, who is the royal advisor of King Pardulfus, the king of Symbolica. Pardoes grows up and meets his crush Pardijn, daughter of Pardulfus. Few years later the stereotypical bad guy appears and his name is Pantagor, assisted by his rat Rattar. He calls 11 curses one by one on Symbolica and Almar suspects Pardoes of being the chosen one. Pantagor also used to be the chosen one but chose the dark side. All the curses are gone and Pardoes needs to duel Pantagor, and he wins. Almar has trust issues because of Pantagor and doesn't trust Pardoes, he underrates him. But the stereotypical protagonist that he is wins and society is cool again. Pardoes will never know what happens to his parents but really wants to find out, whereas Pardijn wants to help him. Let alone that I only summarised it lmfao

[@lily_blackstone5686]

@@taartopdekers4926 Wow thanks! So thats the end? HE NEVER FOUND HIS PARENT?! :P

[@taartopdekers4926]

@@lily_blackstone5686 There actually is no end in this story 😅 but according to Henny Knoet (the guy who wrote it, passed away recently) he never found his parents. If you want to know more about it, there's this theme park ride 'Symbolica'

[@projectboy5409]

Wait rapunzel still has her power within herself doesn't she? She can still heal really well. So she and Flynn will probably have more healer kids

[@zero1226]

Unfortunately the power went back into space with its other half the moondrip

[@saffi_taffi]

@@zero1226 hey hey spoilers! Some people who haven’t watched the show might intend to

[@ShardofWant]

That’s not the way the sun drop works

[@saffi_taffi]

@@ShardofWant well that is debatable

[@ShardofWant]

@@saffi_taffi no litterally the power wouldn’t just split itself up between her children that would probably make the moonstone go beserk

[@jstep4312]

u know mother gothel might actually be the evil queen think about they look kind of similar obsessed with beauty, yh she fell of a cliff but how do we know she died also that black cape she has, who also has a black cape mother gothel coincidence i think not

[@fizzy69o.0]

Well, Evil Queen fell off a cliff, enormous boulder fell on her righr after and two vultures flew after her. I think Disney gave us the simple and clear message: she's dead af

[@keittykit]

Lesson: Vain people fall. And die. And that applies to anyone mortal who'd fall at that height. But don't be vain anyway so people don't cheer if ever you fall. And they all lived happily ever after. Theeeee Eeeeend.

[@skzanarchist]

i had to read this several times to understand lol

[@moirawestern20]

What if they're sisters?

[@roisinnigcrainn7722]

@@moirawestern20 now THIS makes SENSE 😎🍿

[@justanotherboneclock8639]

Abitfrank is TRASHING those soldiers for upending the last flower of its kind to make a single medium sized bowl of soup and I 👏 am 👏 here 👏 for 👏 it 👏

[@melanief4115]

DONT TRASH STAN

[@nezuko-chan4553]

✨pe✨r✨iodt✨

[@AtarahDerek]

Quirin tried to warn them.

[@bri5033]

It doesn't matter, the flower isn't the only thing that had the ability to heal. It was only the first host of the sundrop, which was then passed to rapunzel, who still had its power inside her even after her hair was cut, as you can see in the series. The thing that really matters here is the sundrop, which can't really be destroyed. The flower and rapunzel were just the sundrops hosts.

[@GooseWithAPassport]

I bet they over seasoned the soup too, maybe added too much salt and made it taste nasty.

[@Bonni538]

But question, in the Tangled series Mother Gothel had a daughter which she abandoned at a young age when she tried to steal/kidnap lil Rapunzel, so Why or how would she not be the bad guy when she abandoned Cassandra? (Mother gothel's daughters name also I apologize for having bad grammar i dont speak english very often...)

[@IzzyCoventina]

SPOILERS! XD

[@jazziestofall]

Yeah she kinda just snatched baby Rapunzel and said peace out on Cassandra... 😭 she's definitely a horrible person and mother lol

[@emobunny7515]

@@jazziestofall if Cassandra didn't look at Gothel and don't say anything maybe she would have stayed

[@emobunny7515]

@@jazziestofall she literally blew her cover

[@Pastel_Dreams]

Not to mention the fact she was also a follower for a demon in her youth

[@strawberryskygirl44]

this wouldn't be the first time that disney has painted the wrong person as the bad guy; they did it with sharpay evans, so why wouldn't they do it again?

[@geekmyths]

Yea but gothel still very much is the bad guy, yknow with all the gaslighting and manipulation... maybe not the only bad guy, but still quite bad

[@kmhoneycutt1551]

She was willing to do what ever it took to protect the flower. She would have killed the guards to do so if it weren't the fact that they had numbers. She's both deadly and smart, it's not in the realm of possible that she decided that she would be better off to wait and steal the flower back. Plus let's not forget that we know that the flower can bring people from the dead, she decided for herself to keep it. She could have shared it but that's not what she did. Plus I feel have to make it known, she was already a mother by that point and that she abandon her own daughter just to have the power of the flower back. There's nothing good about this woman, but if you have a good argument against this I would love to hear it

[@r.j.penfold]

@@kmhoneycutt1551 wait what child?

[@kmhoneycutt1551]

@@r.j.penfold yeah gothel had a daughter named cassandra. She abandon her to save her own skin

[@missroyaltea4012]

@@r.j.penfold cass from tangled the series

[@TheEyeofTerror]

Movie Gothel was a doofus because she had centuries to get that flower out of their, put it in a pot and take it home where it's safe or build her house near it or even just put a sign up that says "Property of Mamma G trespassers with be stabbed." Instead she left it out in the open where it was inevitable that someone would find it. Also I recommend the Tangled series. It's oodles of fun and we get to see a bit more of Gothel not going to spoil anything.

[@keittykit]

Probably doesn't want to risk it in case it just dies if she removed it from it's spot. Movie Gothel could be that one person who for some reason kills every house plant she has.

[@xaiva2779]

The series stated that uprooting the flower would cause bad luck and disasters to come to the nearby lands, so yea, not even Gothel would've wanted to curse the whole land because of her vanity alone.

[@ShinningCrys]

Could have built her home around the flower, seemed like it was in the middle of nowhere to begin with

[@sasielb8922]

@@ShinningCrys i think the flower was on a cliff or something which would be reaaaally not safe to build around

[@shipperina2213]

@@xaiva2779 tangled: the series is not a direct continuation of the movie, it is a spinoff series, to be honest, it is basically an alternate universe

[@lyndseystrait1513]

I almost 100% agree with Abit on Gothel being put into the situation and other people being selfish with the flower's magic. You think about all these other villains who do horrible things because they want power, revenge, or simply want to watch other people suffer. Gothel did everything she did out of desperation and because she felt like she had no one else to turn to. Still evil, but not nearly as evil as every other villain. Abit does fail to take into consideration that the lack of connection between the sundrop and moonstone would have destroyed the kingdom instead of continually healing it though, which is another reason Gothel was a good guardian of it.

[@melia_lightwood]

If anyone wants to know a bit more about mother gothels past you can read the book "Mother Knows Best" by Serena Valentino. It explaned a lot of her choices and also explained how mother gothel knew the song to make the flower work. Anyways its a great read and i highly reccomend it.

[@oliviasepelak3083]

Ahhh can you give a cliffnotes version? How did she know the song???? 😢

[@Fishy77777]

You missed the chance to make the title “Mother Gothel’s tragic backstory Untangled”

[@kitkatbreaker1270]

10/10 pun: pure comedy

[@mushroomgirl890]

I love villains backstory’s-

[@zana7807]

Ik I love all the traumatic stories and backgrounds

[@Skylight5544]

Me too

[@erick48104]

i think the fact that she went after rapunzel and kidnap her means Gothel was just seeking the inmortal power and she was keeping the flower to herself more that protecting it. i love every theory and maybe she had her reasons but i don´t think she had good intentions at all

[@robertdochter277]

I honestly enjoy the family-friendy outbursts bitfrank gives. "Entitled sons-a-guns" was my favorite. Its actually quite refreshing to have a KZbin video (for older audiences) where you don't have to hear swearing for the sake of entertainment.

[@torazely]

so, as much as i love this, i have a few points [SPOILERS FOR TANGLED THE SERIES. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU WATCH IT, ITS AMAZING] . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . TL;DR: Gothel was selfish and vain long before the show started. no one else knew about the songs. Gothel was the last one around who knew anything about the songs. so the royal family would have only known to uproot it. while the hair might have passed down the lines, Corona would have been destroyed during that time. the black rocks from Tangled the Series (which IS canon) would have spread until either the sundrop reunited with the moonstone, or they took over the earth and ended all life. Mother Gothel was not healing forest creatures, she lived in a hut with her daughter and only used to flower to restore her own youth. more info from the show: Gothel was born in the pre-Corona era. she started off as one of three assistants of a scientist and magician named Demanitus. their goal was to find the sundrop and its counterpart, the moonstone. eventually, Demanitus' main partner, a warlock named Zhan Tiri, betrays him, wanting to take the power for herself. she also convinces his three assistants, Gothel included, to follow her instead. Demanitus is able to capture Zhan Tiri in an alternate dimension, while also containing one of his old followers in a magical device, though the other two remain on the loose. then he puts his soul into a monkey in order to watch for the sundrop. gothel is one of two assistants who remains free. she builds a cottage and does eventually find the sundrop, the flower. she uses it purely for her own goals, as to her, being beautiful is most important. she keeps magical mirrors documenting all the complements on her looks that hse gets. she is vain and prideful. eventually during her life, she has a daughter named Cassandra, who she uses for no other purpose than to ensure the cottage stays clean. four years later, the flower is taken by the royal family, who know nothing of the song to activate it. Rapunzel is born, now possessing the flowers magic, the new incarnation of the sundrop. Gothel kidnaps her and takes her back to the cottage while being chased by royal guards. however, instead of going in to the cottage, where Cassandra still is, she tricks the guards into going to the cottage, cuts the one bridge connecting it to the main land, and runs away to the tower, abandoning her own daughter in the process. Disney Gothel technically DID start off good. but due to the corruption of Zhan Tiri, she became cruel and greedy, wanting nothing more than to stay young and beautiful forever, and viewing everyone, including her own blood, as simply tools she could use to achieve that goal. still a good video.

[@datchia]

I loved her design, character and GAH SHE WAS THE BEST!!!

[@irlelliewilliams]

She’s abusive how could you love her? /gen

[@datchia]

@@irlelliewilliams (Gen means genuine right?) What I mean was, she was definitely a different take on an evil character. The gaslighting they included was something that I came invested in later in the future, thinking about why I felt sorry for when she died rather then happy. The way it her character was handled was something different that I haven’t seen before. Sorry for the confusion, I didn’t mean she was a great person or anything,

[@tsuumee4545]

​@@irlelliewilliams You can love villains, y’know

[@aastranova]

There is a YA book called “mother knows best” that explains Mother Gothels child life and how she ended up the way she did. I don’t know if it is cannon but I think it was a great book.

[@keittykit]

I see Disney, I click. If she did become the baby's nurse and unlocked her power. The royal family could have become overprotective, keeping her in the castle. They would've given her whatever she wanted at the cost of her freedom. Enter Flynn Ryder, her total opposite. A guy who has his freedom (you know, until he gets caught) but striving to have money.... They meet under some circumstances, ran away, blah blah blah. I can still see a Disney movie plot! You could make Gothel the strict and physically vain but loving governess who sees herself in Rapunzel! She could've had a peaceful death, finally finding a purpose and letting immortality go because she found someone to love. Having someone to love would have made her see that immortality isn't worth it if the people around her would perish (maybe make rapunzel not able to heal herself to avoid a plot hole). Edit: That beautiful song could've still made it through! Mother Gothel could have her own verse, while she's worried sick about Rapunzel not because she lost her flower but her daughter! She saw the light. The fog has lifted. *cries in flower power*

[@appsnake7225]

I was thinking instead of Gothel keeping her trapped her parents kept her trapped and Gothel convinces her to leave her parents and ends up trapping her. I know it doesn't for with her character in the video though

[@keittykit]

@@appsnake7225 Ooh, nice idea. Like "I tried to be nice but nah, Imma take my flower anyway. She's better off with me" kinda thing?

[@appsnake7225]

@@keittykit yeah

[@BunnyBunnn06]

So... we ain’t going to talk about the twilight reference? “How many times can you go through highschool before anyone notice?” 😂 shes talking about the graduation caps that was on the the staircase going up to edward’s room... Love how you quickly went through the Grimms version of this story. I love the video. Got a new sub. 🥺

[@noname-ik7yy]

What if shes an Ex princess in the making but ruined by people's greed and evil

[@frederickpurcell7478]

Two wrongs not make a right ! Period

[@Trant956]

Elphaba vibes

[@roisinnigcrainn7722]

@@Trant956 bellatrix!

[@new_moon139]

In Tangled the series, which is canon and takes place after the movie we learn more about Gothels background. She was the apprentice of an evil sorceress who wanted to use the sun drop and moonstone, which is how Gothel knows the song to the sundrop. We also find out that Gothel had a daughter who she abandoned in order to save herself and keep Rupunzel locked in the tower so she could stay young forever. So her demise was not so much from other people’s greed as much as her own.

[@Talldevotte]

Your art style is so cute lol

[@IzzyCoventina]

I'd HIGHLY recommend looking into the Rapunzel TV show. It doesn't go too deep but it does go quite deep into her backstory, looking more into who Gothel REALLY was as a person with Disney. It is considered as canon lore as well to the movie. Cause Gothel is..... ya defiantly wasn't a good person lol

[@IzzyCoventina]

@zaliapoo dessine draws I'm trying not to mention details from later on as we can't be sure she has seen the series.

[@IzzyCoventina]

@@Stopfollowingmeplz8 yep. It ran for some time. Called Rapunzel's Tangled Adventure or Tangled the Series. You can rent/buy all of it here on KZbin or on Disney+ It's super good.

[@micahmakes]

definitely*

[@shipperina2213]

actually tangled: the series is not a direct continuation of the movie, it is a spinoff series, to be honest, it is basically an alternate universe

[@grandmarie]

@@shipperina2213 Actually stop spamming your comments because noone cares. Show was made by Disney and movie was made by Disney, canon.

[@gigim.9742]

One major snag in the "Gothel becomes Rapunzel's nanny" plot: how many times could she rejuvenate herself before being labeled a witch and burned at the stake? (Or, whatever consequences being a witch has, in Disney's Rapunzel.)

[@torazely]

there are none. magic is pervasive and recognized in that world. potions, wands, enchanted objects. there's even a (self proclaimed child) alchemist in Corona, and there's hundreds of stories of magical devices.

[@ikmwrime29sorryaira60]

Well, assuming that they knew about Mother Gothel, they would have already known but sense she is helping them she probably wouldn't be burned at the stake.

[@shipperina2213]

@@torazely tangled: the series is not a direct continuation of the movie, it is a spinoff series, to be honest, it is basically an alternate universe

[@allana0017]

If she managed to endear herself to Rapunzel and earn the trust of the royal family, she could probably get away with quite a lot. Even discounting the fact that magic doesn’t seem to be a crime in Corona.

[@RussGussDoodles]

I would love it if you made a video on “Into the Woods” and all it’s references to the brothers Grimm source material. They way Sondheim entangled the 4 fairytale story’s together his magnificent!

[@victoralmeida6521]

There's a book about Gothel's story, it's called Mother Knows Best: A Tale of the Old Witch. I think you would like it a lot.

[@Gabriele-cb6pp]

Mother Knows Best: A Tale of the Old Witch by Serena Valentino is a really good book about gothels backstory, pretty creepy though.

[@dibooyolo]

After watching the series and seeing more of her backstory along with her actual daughter, I can’t stand Disney Gothel there was nothing redeeming that. Dame Gothel is fine though

[@shipperina2213]

tangled: the series is not a direct continuation of the movie, it is a spinoff series, to be honest, it is basically an alternate universe

[@dibooyolo]

@@shipperina2213 it doesn’t start as a direct continuation but there are flashbacks shown throughout the show and in them it shows how Gothel, running with baby Rapunzel after taking her from the castle, leaves her daughter young daughter Cassandra (who she is seen treating more as a burden and a maid than that if a child). The series also implies that Gothel was one of the 3 followers of 2 people that went mad trying to harness the power of the sun drop and the moon stone. She simply was the one to find the sun drop and continued to keep it hidden for herself until the matters of the movie play out.

[@shipperina2213]

@@dibooyolo just because something references stuff doesn't mean it is canon, that was more of what I mean lol

[@vibezonegaming]

@@shipperina2213 There isn’t a Tangled 2 right now. There’s been. A Frozen 2 since then. The series is canon.

[@shipperina2213]

@@vibezonegaming tangled the series is not canon tho lol

[@JoiceLopes.]

In the series they show us that mother Gothel had never loved Raponzel, and she has a biological daughter that she also didn't love. I like Mother Ghotel being just a villain, instead of a misunderstand person.

[@colorpg152]

sigh of course who dare anyone other than the princess deserve empathy

[@corinna007]

@@colorpg152 someone like Abuela from Encanto can be sympathized and empathized with. Someone like Gothel can not.

[@colorpg152]

@@corinna007 to me this only proves the falseness of your empathy and sympathy in the end its nothing more than self-serving self-righteousness, I for once am more than capable to empathize with someone who wants to avoid death from old age, if anything i think she was merciful, she could have done far more evil things than raising her like a mother and taking care of her but she didn't, in fact she only wanted a piece of hair until she realized it wasn't possible and she took care of the girl quite well, if the king is justified in taking the flower to save his wife she is justified in taking the girl to save herself, not that you brainwashed people will ever understand, you admire royals which are basically glorified slavers

[@birdmcturd1626]

@@corinna007 Immortality is an understandable motivator. Especially since the Queen and King obviously knew what the flower could do and I’d bet knew or could have found the song to use the flower like Gothel did (come on,Gothel was a societal outcast and this is the king and queen and their royal guards). The royals selfishly used the power with no consideration for how it could have helped other people,Gothel selfishly took it back to preserve her own life. Seems everyone is in the wrong here.

[@mirandagropen9761]

Yeah the royals were monsters too everyone forgets that.

[@StonedHunter]

I haven't watched it all myself yet, but I know that the animated series did dive into her a bit more. I don't think they give her a full backstory, but did show that she's kind of always been a bad and abusive mom.

[@shipperina2213]

tangled: the series is not a direct continuation of the movie, it is literally a spinoff series, to be honest, it is basically an alternate universe

[@ommogi5700]

I appreciate this take on Gothel but from personal experience, a narcissist is a narcissist regardless of what's done to them to "make them" that way. I think she would've been an abusive mess regardless tbh. If she'd had less classic narcissistic tendencies I think I'd be 100% on board with this idea!

[@bc8796]

I have had this conversation with a few people before cuz I absolutely love Tangled but I firmly believe that there is a part of her even though she was very manipulative and awful, there is a part of mother gothel that really did care about Rapunzel. Like I know she wanted to keep her happy for the sake of her not leaving so she could keep her forever but like I don't think you would travel 3 days away to get some hazelnuts to make her favorite soup if you didn't care at least a little bit.....but that's me lol

[@abracadaverous]

How many songs did Gothel have to sing to the flower before she found the right one?

[@torazely]

one. she knew what hte song was becuase she and others studied and researched hte sundrop. she's the only one who found it though.

[@ikmwrime29sorryaira60]

20,39,12 songs

[@shipperina2213]

@@torazely tangled: the series is not a direct continuation of the movie, it is a spinoff series, to be honest, it is basically an alternate universe

[@torazely]

@@shipperina2213 okay, but there's nothing in the show that would mean it can't be canon. Beyond having all the original voice cast back, it doesn't contradict anything from the movie, it actually enhances it by expanding on the world and lore. Most fan of the show, and even the voice actors themselves, fully consider it canon.

[@madcat789]

Something something Mother Gothel is hot something something fan art.

[@nezuko-chan4553]

Link? 😌✋

[@madcat789]

@@nezuko-chan4553 Hmmm.

[@juicebox7372]

2:24 by your logic cutting her hair would have made it impossible for it to go down the DNA line even after she still used the power when he died from her tears? The ability is literally in her DNA!

[@oliviaoborne576]

Uhm "we don't know what she did before kidnapping rapunzel" yeah we do tangled the series goes into her back story she had a daughter named Cassandra and abandoned her when she took rapunzel and was a demon follower wixh is how she knew about the flower

[@shipperina2213]

that is a spinoff though, it is more of an alternate universe (or fanfiction)

[@happychaosofthenorth]

@@shipperina2213 How many times have you posted a version of this comment in a reply on this video? You must REALLY hate the idea of people looking at Tangled: The Series as canon. The series doesn't contradict anything in the movie as far as I could tell.

[@shipperina2213]

@@happychaosofthenorth nah I am just bored and I like to point things out, in a the main comment I said I would do it

[@shipperina2213]

Also I want to say that although it doesn't contradicts the main movie (although some of the characterization is wrong, pointed out by a few people) it doesn't mean it is the continued version of the movie, you can headcanon it to be though, just don't mix up the idea with reality

[@jimthecactus7425]

@@shipperina2213 it's made by disney and even some people that worked on the movie. It doesn't contradict anything from the original story so yes it is canon. This isn't a hp and cursed child situation lol.

[@PrincessDreamActress]

First of all, check the Tangled TV show; I hear Gothel's even more terrible for abandoning her child for Princess Rapunzel. Secondly, there's an upcoming Twisted Tale called "What Once was Mine," which will play with the idea of the guards finding a different flower to save Queen Arianna instead of the sundrop flower Gothel uses. There's more to that one, but I'm waiting to get a copy to read for myself. There's also Serena Valentino's take on Gothel's origins called "Mother Knows Best," revealing she had sisters and that before being locked in the tower, Rapunzel and Gothel stayed with someone named Nanny.

[@honda-akari]

The tv series is not movie canon.

[@PrincessDreamActress]

@@honda-akari I'm just pointing it out to her is all, nothing more.

[@kiraallen73]

Okay, so I noticed that the way you described the original is slightly different from how I learned it. Basically, Rapunzel's biological parents only every wanted for a child. When they got a child, however, the mother became distant and obsessed with the lettuce from the witch's garden. In an attempt to appease his wife, the father broke in and tried to steal the lettuce. However, he was caught by Gothel. I don't remember exactly the course of events here, but I think that Gothel said that she would let him live and let him have the plant in exchange for the firstborn child. So the parents did have a motive to break in and take the Rapunzel plant.

[@musearrives2am]

You, you haven't seen the Tangled TV show that explains a lot of your points. You should go watch that, its really good.

[@fallingapart]

In tangled the series she gets her hair power back. But also she can see that Gothel was a complete narcissist and only obsessed with her beauty. (Spoilers) She basically neglected her own daughter Casandra, and just used her as a maid. Then abandoned her for Rapunzel

[@FreakishGeek]

You should check out the Tangled cartoon series, they expand lore based on the sundrop/flower and its powers and give Gothel more backstory!

[@WhyHeEepy]

She could know best. She could honestly just be paranoid that Rapunzel would get hurt or something like that. She might have even grown a soft spot for the girl, who knows?

[@danmenard6917]

I got the impression that she still loved Rapunzel as a daughter, even though she needed her for a purpose, and this sort of bloomed more and more into becoming completely dependant on Rapunzel's presence over time. Like yeah, she wanted to remain young, but she also cared for her surrogate daughter's well-being to a degree (gaslighting aside)

[@WhyHeEepy]

@@danmenard6917 Yeah, I agree. She wasn’t the best mother, but most certainly not the worst, for she cared for Rapunzel. Mother Gothel wasn’t as toxic as some Disney mothers.

[@2DJoYogurt]

The only reason that the guards take the whole flowers because they didn’t know how it worked. They just knew find magic healing flower if I remember correctly. If Gothel had chosen to teach people about the flower, it’s magic would’ve never been destroyed. She also probably could’ve made a business out of it being this vein selfish person she is by selling droplets of tea to people who are sick, but instead she just gate keep that for herself, instead of saving thousands of lives, because this was an all time kingdom, which is if I remember correctly, had a lot of plague and illness, and death occurred.

[@meganshaw1949]

In adding to the fact that Gothal loved living in Tangled the series with creation of Gothal’s biological daughter, it hinted at the fact that she loved the attention specifically from men a little too much and is at least one reason why she desired to stay young. The film also demonstrates that she also used her youthful looks to charm others into doing what she wanted or needed.

[@urmydadboogiewoogiewoogie]

im binging all of ur videos because theyre genuinely interesting and one thing i can say is that ur voice is so soothing, it doesnt seem to matter the darkness of the topics you teach us about, i just feel utterly relaxed when i hear ur voice :)

[@Omnywrench]

I'm just wondering how she figured out the song that made the flower work

[@Deergon]

In the series it can be guessed that she learned it from someone she used to work for

[@singer2be256]

@@Deergon which leads to the question... how did Demanitus learn it?

[@babypenguin8754]

@@singer2be256 theyre a witch

[@drewaibdan7428]

Great video, I love it. I don't know how canon it is, but in the animated serie the past of Disney's Mother Gothel is expanded via flashbacks, the main story and interviews with the creators. Maybe it will be great to do a video about that. Thank you for your wonderful work :)

[@corinna007]

Nope, nope, nope. Gothel in the Disney movie is absolutely the bad guy. No question. She kidnapped, isolated, and constantly gaslit and emotionally manipulated Rapunzel, and then, when Rapunzel stood up for herself, she bound and gagged her and stabbed the man Rapunzel had fallen in love with, who was her first real friend (not counting Pascal). And in the series (spoiler alert), it's shown that she served an evil being and also had a biological daughter who she treated like a servant instead of a daughter, and then abandoned her to run off with Rapunzel, who, again, she kidnapped. I was only 16 when I saw the movie the first time, but even back then, I recognized the abuse, even if it was only subconsciously. I can't understand why anyone can see the way she treats both Rapunzel and Cassandra and still make excuses for her or think she somehow loved Rapunzel. To quote you: Red flag, red flag, red flag, red flag. Sorry, but it really gets under my skin that people still side with Gothel. I was gaslit and emotionally abused by my mother, as unintentional as it may have been, and it infuriates me how it's still not taken as seriously by society as physical or sexual abuse. No form of abuse is okay. Gothel is no good guy, at all.

[@thrill1591]

I always thought that whole movie would never have happened if Gothel just uprooted the flower and took it back to her home to hide it. But what if doing that or even taking from the flower (Roots, leaves, petals, etc) destroyed its healing properties? When Rapunzel's hair was cut, the magic goes away, so what if the same happens with the flower itself? That may explain why they had to use the entire plant to save Rapunzel and her mother. Also, someone else in the kingdom had to have known about the flower and its magic for them to come up with that cure in the first place, or maybe it was a total shot in the dark if it would work at all? Anyway, that's some of my thoughts. Love your videos!

[@Mad_Rabbit69]

What about Tangled the series ?

[@shipperina2213]

tangled: the series is not a direct continuation of the movie, it is a spinoff series, to be honest, it is basically an alternate universe

[@HazbinCovenWitch]

@@shipperina2213 I don't think so. The creators never stated that nor confirmed it.

[@shipperina2213]

@@HazbinCovenWitch technically yes, although it was never confirmed, nor denied it is still separate with the fact that the original creators of the movie was not involved in this, it is basically a fanfiction until proven otherwise

[@nezuko-chan4553]

@@shipperina2213 wait so is it cannon or not-

[@ActuallyJohnMarston]

@@nezuko-chan4553 if you ask disney channel, yeah it's canon. But if you ask fans of the movie, it's not.

[@12raben28]

I love this video! This is such a great take on gothel's background :D

[@vargus6669]

"green goddess Gothel" actually exists in a show called Once Upon a Time. I was wondering why they gave her power over plants. Now I know why

[@xxxbobacorgixxx66]

Why the heck is ur voice so calming and nice?!?!

[@d__x2555]

It made for a beautiful visual but it always bothered me how the royals used the WHOLE ass flower for the magic flower soup

[@ikmwrime29sorryaira60]

Ya like, just pick a leaf or one peddle not the whole thing, and assuming it works kind of like a normal flower (Not including the magic part) It might have seeds that they could've planted to grow more.

[@rahmahamza3947]

I actually thought of this very interesting backstory for Gothel, in which she loves children, and has a lot under her care. One of them has vivid blond hair and yellow eyes, and suffered through a lot, so Gothel goes a lot out of her way to care for him. But one day she is cursed to look hideous, scaring away the other kids, but this one stays and still likes her. Then one day he dies, and leaves behind the flower, which showed the power of his bright nature, and Gothel, in despair, swears to protect it at all costs. His soul is kind of still in there, so he, in return, returns her to her normal self so that the kids are no longer scared of her and so that she mustn't be alone forever. Then the queen just eats it, and.... yeah.

[@marielgreen8329]

In the Tangled tv show (spoilers) Gothel is a mother, so if she's been around for soo long, I wonder just how many children she's possibly had? Also I'm curious just where did the magical healing soup recipe even come from?

[@styxwhat]

there's actually a really good book called "mother knows best", it's all about gothel's backstory and why she hid the flower and stuff.

[@tamzinhunter878]

To be fair, if I was Mother Gothel and found such a rare flower, I would not trust anyone else. They would screw me over by, I do not know... steal it?! Making soup?! No thanks...

[@garbagecrow9886]

Did we watch the same movie? Gothel restrains Rapunzel against her will when she finds out the truth and wishes to trap her somewhere else for the rest of her life, isolates her in a tower that she’s forbidden to leave from ever, and even then makes sure to have her confidence always low enough to depend on her specifically or just ignores whatever she says at first if she wants to use her powers. That’s not really something you could use to say that she cared for her, she cared for her power. Nothing else.

[@pinapple_arts_8695]

I was eating my 45th breadstick this better be good-

[@ikmwrime29sorryaira60]

Was it worth it in you opinion?

[@pinapple_arts_8695]

@@ikmwrime29sorryaira60 yes it was

[@ikmwrime29sorryaira60]

@@pinapple_arts_8695 Good to hear

[@kitkatbreaker1270]

@@pinapple_arts_8695 have anymore breadsticks?

[@pinapple_arts_8695]

@@kitkatbreaker1270 nah, i ate them all

[@thefoxcelotclub]

Well it was shown in the tangled the series that they did preserve the flower but all of it’s power went directly into Rapanzel

[@mkpuzzles]

She already had a child before rapunzel in tangled the series season 3

[@CadoAstrum]

I love the idea, buttttt Gothel wanted the flower for herself, just like the king. Otherwise she could’ve made it with potions, salves, etc. This all does bring up an interesting look at Gothel vs King and what greed can push us towards.

[@MegaLpso]

I think you should watch the tangled tv series. There is many many dark moments in the show and good music. The series does explain mother gothel and her backstory, so you should check it out.

[@elmstreetslasher4558]

In Serena Valentino Mother gothel's backstory, it said the reason why she couldn't make more flowers is cause the garden that contained them was burned and destroyed, so she only had one left and she kept it secret for along time untill, the guards needed it for the queen and so gothel had no choice but to still Rapunzel so she could have the flower back, plus her mother said it was gothel's duty to protect the flowers so she did just that. But yet again gothel is a narcissistic and cruel women who is a villian for betraying her only daughter for Rapunzel just so she can live forever.

[@shipperina2213]

tangled: the series is not a direct continuation of the movie, it is literally a spinoff series, to be honest it is basically an alternate universe

[@alex_1774]

I have a book that I haven't finished that I got from a schoolastic(?) fair in my school. Its about mother gother and her whole backstory. Apparently she has 2 other sisters that do not look like her at all. Gothel is the only one from her sisters that looks like their mother. Their mother is worse than what mother Gothel was. I dont think thats the official backstory but its very interesting to read.

[@grandmarie]

Oo, what's it called?

[@alex_1774]

@@grandmarie "Mother knows best. A tale of the old witch" by Serena Valentino :)

[@八ルシュ-z6v]

In one of the stories ive watched in my kindergarten stories at school, the parents stole her flowers which made her curse them that once their child grows 18 she'll die to prevent her from dying the parents will hv to give the child to her.

[@MrDj232]

If Gothel had the flower for so long, why didn't she harvest seeds and make more flowers?

[@cassiswyrm8121]

Does the magic sundrop flower make seeds?

[@captainngoose]

Even if the flower produced seeds, you would need a male flower to fertilize the seeds. The seeds would be useless without fertilization.

[@MrDj232]

@@captainngoose I'm hoping you're joking. All flowers have both male and female parts. The flower can fertilize itself.

[@shipperina2213]

@@MrDj232 not all plants are intersex though

[@MrDj232]

@@shipperina2213 All plants are hermaphroditic, which is the correct term here not "intersex". Not all plants can self pollinate, but they can be intentionally pollinated by a human. If Gregor Mendel can control pollination in a monastery garden I'm fairly certain Gothel could figure out how to manage it with a single flower.

[@Ms_Ria]

I'm so happy you posted on my birthday, I now consider this my birthday gift🥺👉👈 Thank you and happy valentines💕

[@ikmwrime29sorryaira60]

Happy birthday! :)

[@KestralKuthule]

Going solely on the movie alone its fair. Take into account the T.V series which is canon to the movie she's truly evil. She abandoned her blood child after years of neglect and abuse, was specifically searching for the flower and then became obsessed with its restorative properties instead of giving its power to her master.

[@Rabid.Jess.]

Wosto Videos has a lot of videos about Tangled and the series that branched off from the movie. He actually talks about how Gothel could have gotten the encantation and found the flower since the series gives more backstory to the flower. Your theory that Gothel was meant to protect the flower is unique and I love it!

[@theredghostman9279]

According to the order of mages witches and wizards do live along time.

[@mattvirginia8501]

To a lot of people in the comments: I don’t think disney really thought of making the Tangled Series, and this video is just working on what was provided in the movie. It’s more fun to speculate on limited information (especially in a Fictional World) instead of finding another source and going “uh actually”, okay? Brilliant video, I’d love to have seen this version of Gothel.

[@Silver_Sonic_23]

Who doesn’t get a backstory at this point?

[@bri5033]

This video seems to try to imply that mother gothel was keeping the flower secret and alive because she wanted to protect it, which is kind of obviously not what she was doing... she only wanted it for its healing powers, which becomes clear when you see how she doesn't care at all that the flower was destroyed to save the queen since the power was transferred to rapunzel. As long as there was _something_ in the world that had the ability to heal her, she didn't care. Not that the flower being destroyed actually matters at all lore-wise, since in the tv series it's made clear that the sundrop which was previously inside the flower is now inside rapunzel- yes, even after her hair was cut, since the sundrop can't really be destroyed. Additionally, the flower isn't really mother gothels to use/"keep safe," by law it's owned by whoever owns the land it was on, which is most likely the king and queen because the flower was kind of just in the middle of nowhere...

[@gigifabulous]

Also can Disney stop trying to make villains with Jewish stereotypical looks? Like, we don't need any more antisemitism.

[@noelleholiday61]

Where exactly are you getting this from? And how is it antisemitic to use stereotypes in the design of a character that is in no way even implied to be a part of the group the stereotypes are of?

[@graciebernstein9609]

I'm Jewish and I don't see it. She has green-gray eyes, a tiny nose, and no accent. Are you referring to her hair? Artistically, her black curly hair was chosen to look opposite of Rapunzel's straight blonde hair. I don't see any anti-semitism here.

[@EGG-de4ye]

I really hate it when people tried to make mother gothel out to be the good guy all along. I mean sure the kingdom should've not take the whole flower completely and I can understand mother gothel's motives. But that does not mean she can just kidnapped the princess, manipulating and gaslighting her to stay in the isolated tower forever and used her for eternal youth and beauty. Villains motives are understandable but cannot be excused.

[@shadowwolf9467]

Agreed, and did people suddenly forget that Gothel hoarded the flower for herself for centuries?

[@JoeMama-kj7bq]

*Couldn't she build something around the plant or something?*

[@kingemo7806]

Nice to see you doing animations on this channel my last fairytale was snow white but the story was the other way around so this makes sense

[@arbor4213]

but gothel abused her actual biological daughter? even if she's not as bad as she seems, gothel is still a bad person

[@IzzyCoventina]

Spoilers XD

[@arbor4213]

@@IzzyCoventina i didn't specify, im sure it's fine lmao (:

[@IzzyCoventina]

@@arbor4213 lol you said gothel's daughter... that's kind of huge spoiler territory still.

[@shipperina2213]

tangled: the series is not a direct continuation of the movie, it is a spinoff series, to be honest, it is basically an alternate universe

[@dcbandit]

Your idea about the power becoming a part of the royal bloodline reminds me of the royal family of Hyrule in the Legend of Zelda games, with Princess Zelda having the golden power that goes down the line and gives her greater powers.

[@spiralsart_1215]

If you look at before Rapunzel, Tangled the series shows that Gothels daughter was left behind for Rapunzel. Pretty evil to me.

[@shipperina2213]

tangled: the series is not a direct continuation of the movie, it is a spinoff series, to be honest, it is basically an alternate universe

[@ink_snow7334]

6:23 "get out of my flowers, you entitled sons of guns!" i laughed XD

[@maireadscott3256]

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[@lily_blackstone5686]

Hello

[@sharissasterling3720]

You're first

[@GOD-sc7nk]

I think Rapunzel the Series should be taken into account since it does go into her backstory and such.

[@sifa_sky9209]

Well there are good points in this thought, but even if gothels capturing of rapunzel is caused by the kingdom it doesn't excuse it and the tone of the video sounded a bit biased but maybe thats just me. Though its kinda nice listening it with your lovely voice

[@helenmira7218]

Great insight about the witch. I liked the direction you took this story.

[@activeace7627]

I love your animations, they're so cute :). Also I'm guessing you are good at english or phychology judging by the way you analyse these movies.

[@athari2957]

ok but ur voice is so calming-

[@jemzie8843]

I agree using the entire flower is a bad move. However mother Gothel ran and hid from the guards when they looked for the flower, the way she acted was as if she herself was doing something wrong, she hid because ultimately she knew what she was doing it wrong. Disneys version made her the bad guy to begin with

[@16moons]

Mother Gothel is so interesting to think about as a character analysis. There is just so much to unpack.

[@rahmahamza3947]

I actually thought of this very interesting backstory for Gothel, in which she loves children, and has a lot under her care. One of them has vivid blond hair and yellow eyes, and suffered through a lot, so Gothel goes a lot out of her way to care for him. But one day she is cursed to look hideous, scaring away the other kids, but this one stays and still likes her. Then one day he dies, and leaves behind the flower, which showed the power of his bright nature, and Gothel, in despair, swears to protect it at all costs. His soul is kind of still in there, so he, in return, returns her to her normal self so that the kids are no longer scared of her and so that she mustn't be alone forever. Then the queen just eats it, and.... yeah. This obviously isn't suitable for movie or book Gothel, in neither does she act as if this happened, but it's still pretty cool

[@ebonysunberry2580]

Sing this to the tune of "Call me maybe" Mother Gothel: Hey I just met you, and this is crazy, you stole my flower so I took your baby

[@_swiftarcher55]

LOL genius XD

[@arachnesakura9375]

She should have just gotten herself hired as Rapunzel's nanny and could have had Cass come along..

[@hellenrose9556]

Mother Gothel is archeotypical representation of the darker side of Mother Earth, goddess of fertility known in so many mythologies around the world. Those goddesses do have their dark sides, which is... well, it is clearly depicted in movie. Being so possessive over their children that they are denying them freedom and suffocating them. Demeter is the perfect example, she nearly destroyed the world to get her daughter Persephone back, when she was dragged down to the underworld with Hades, and every time Persephone leaves her and go back to Hades (winter) she starts destroying world again untill her daughter comes back. Aphrodite is also a good example. You know those common stories about mother in law hating and despicing her daughter in law because she is sooo jelous that her son loves some other woman more then her? Well, in the story of Psyche and Eros, Aphrodita was torturing Psyche and attempted to kill her for that reason. Long story short, Gothel is the perfect depiction of Mother Earth's dark side.

[@jacksquatt6082]

This theory is all well and good until you see the "Tangled" animated series. It fills out a lot of backstory, and we learn that, yeah, Gothel was evil. But I really like your alternative timeline of, "What if Gothel had been the royal nursemaid."

[@scorchedroseproductions3266]

Fun fact: in the tv series of Tangled you find out that Goethal had a daughter (Cassandra who becomes Rapunzel's lady-in-waiting) and abandoned her

[@theredghostman9279]

Just so you know, I am subscribed to both of your channels, I LOVE THE CONTENT