Mother Gothel Is Meg from Hercules | Disney Theory

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Today Ben dives into the world of Disney to discuss two absolute classics: Hercules and Tangled and uncovers the TRUTH about Mother Gothel and her origins as none other than: MEG!
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[@SuperCarlinBrothers]

If you need any further convincing heres a list of other similarities between Herc and Rapunzel: Both were kidnapped at birth Both have an overwhelming belief that they were meant for something greater Both meet a good looking counterpart with questionable morals They both look to the stars (or floating lanterns interpreted as stars) for answers Each end up with a equine companion Both carry with them a symbol of their family Both have their first kiss with the morally questionable person interrupted Said person also sacrifices themselves to save Herc and Rapunzel Herc and Rapunzel then also use their glowing powers to return the favor After which they are treated to family reunion and finally a kiss

[@izzyluvspandas8538]

I hardly ever watch videos that have been released (or published or what ever you call it) only an HOUR ago! :D

[@dovelyy]

this was my favorite theory of yours before bc it connected two of my favorite disney movies but with tangled the series this just doesn't hold up as much

[@izzyluvspandas8538]

"Unless when it says the SUN, it doesn't mean the SUN. But rather, the SUN" (5:20)

[@sarae2374]

Wow!! I didn't need any more convincing but it's crazy how many similarities there are and how much sense this theory makes!

[@izzyluvspandas8538]

What happened to my other comment? I had 3

[@dillonlavelle2634]

I wasn’t sold UNTIL the “big lug” and the “that’s how fast he’ll leave you” part. This is CRAZY. Good job guys!!

[@hopper6094]

Fr

[@abramrexjoaquin7513]

"You Big Lug" -M.G. Waaaaaaaaait a minute... M...G. MeG. * *Shooketh* *

[@danielledouglas99]

Yeah, convince me all you want on every part before that, but once you hear both characters say, 'you big lug' with the same mannerisms and tone, they are now the same.

[@christianali5431]

I remember when they first started to come up with this theory. All they had was “ Big log,“ and that was it. That and the fact that she prayed that what had been lost would be saved, instead of explicitly Asking to become Young again. Now they’ve really filled out the evidence to suggest even more truth to the story.

[@zemtov]

@@abramrexjoaquin7513 Meg is even talked to BY THE GOSPELS in the scene where she realizes she loves herc

[@swearfreegamer]

What if instead of the flower growing from where Hercules descended, what if it grew where he was buried? Meg and Herc explore the world a bit like the Odyssey and end up in “Germany”, Herc dies on the journey and Meg buries him, and upon returning to grieve she sees a flower growing from his grave that glows with the same immortality he gave up. She takes it to be one last gift from Herc to her and when the royals take the flower for medicine she sees it as stealing Herc’s wishes from her.

[@joshryan5005]

YES

[@jessejamesmanfred6319]

to add to this it was zeus or hera that planted the flower for hercules to morn their dead son

[@rainynight02]

She buried him on a cliff side?? Unless you're arguing over the centuries what wasn't a cliff side became one due to erosion.

[@coldermusic2729]

@@rainynight02 🤷‍♂️

[@IIcAgII]

@@rainynight02 yeah because hercules was so against being on a cliff in the movie

[@tomsparrow1823]

Speaking of the fates, them cutting the string of life and Eugene cutting Rapunzel's hair. Cinematic Parallels.

[@YellowBear-kx1ff]

The Fates were also the inspiration for the Fairy Godmother character.

[@livsterlove5681]

Yeah why the “fates” that’s very Greek

[@YellowBear-kx1ff]

They were also the inspiration for the Weird Sisters in Macbeth (The Scottish play for the superstitious).

[@hellgirl5000]

Also in the song she sings change the fates design

[@demirhane9179]

ALSO, no one mentioned but, ALSO when the fates tried to cut Hercules's ROPE it didn't cutted but glowed yellow!

[@rishabhrox1]

Fun fact - in Spain's localizations of these films....the same person does the singing voice for both Meg and Mother Gothel (Celia Vergara).....I wonder what she'd think after seeing this video 😂😂

[@Azza_amb]

I was going to say the same thing.

[@katej392]

Eeeyyy thats awesome

[@RandomDragonEXE]

That name though

[@Utuberj0sh]

Wow!

[@commentslol1415]

I googled it and this is completely fake lol

[@avalorraine7783]

I think this theory ties in excellently with this quote: you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

[@rosaliewindhawksso8633]

450th like lol

[@ninjacat4401]

- Batman

[@macyc1010]

Exactly

[@rachelclapper9762]

Wow, what is that quote from?

[@rugilek.6899]

Hey you missed a kinda cool detail in Greek myths and that is a lot of guys turn into flowers after they die. I'm gonna leave it at that cause I'm sure you got the memo

[@rugilek.6899]

You know now that I think about it this brings even a darker twist to all of this.

[@TiaMat99]

I only know Narcissus turns into a flower, who are the others?

[@rugilek.6899]

@@TiaMat99 well first who comes to mind is hiacinth and I'm pretty sure there are plenty of them since turning into plants was one of the more often used ways to get away from your problems. Though a better question is how many has been forgotten to the ages?

[@edwinrosario3849]

@@rugilek.6899 A nymph was crushed under the foot of Persephone and turned into the mint plant, an oceanid who was a lover of hades died and became a flowering tree in the Underworld which Herakles later went to retrieve during his labors. The Olympians turned Crocus into the saffron flower after accidentally being killed by Hermes. Dionysus turned Ampelos, a handsome young satyr-boy, into the first vine plant when he was killed by a wild bull. So yeah, its a very strong reoccurring theme when it comes to greek mythology. Sometimes its a punishment, other times its for remembrance of those who had died.

[@unirarhissa7697]

@@edwinrosario3849 Daphne was turned into a laurel tree by Gaia to escape Apollo

[@whereswolod]

"I don't think Eugene knows how hot the sun is." "IT BE HOT"

[@rubygracemoseley8144]

That part was amazing

[@melyssabell3963]

i think eugene would know...considering he's hotter then the sun :)

[@joehadari7315]

He definitely knows how hot the sun is: Rapunzel is product of the sun.

[@mtfan3457]

Iccarus could tell him that 😂

[@giftedgoose2726]

Apollo be like: YES I AM *winks*

[@v.v365]

In greek history, it’s widely accepted that Greek myths don’t take place in Ancient Greece, but in the society that came before them and before the Greek Dark Ages, Mycenaean Greece, so connecting the very ancient Mycenaean Greece civilization to a fairy tale era of somewhere vaguely based on Germany is already a big stretch, but I’ve always found Tangled had weird connections to Greek Mythology since Apollo, the sun god, was also a god of prophecy and healing, as well as music (which we know Rapunzel loves)

[@alexiswelsh5821]

Apollo wasn’t THE sun god, his 1st cousin once removed Helios was. Apollo was just associated with the sun, or a Greek sun god. Helios was the sun, and Apollo (God of Music) was sun-like.

[@imbluedubbadee]

@@alexiswelsh5821 he drove the sun chariot after Helios was displaced (from memory)

[@alexiswelsh5821]

@@imbluedubbadee When did that happen?

[@v.v365]

@@alexiswelsh5821 yeah I know, I was just trying to simplify it for those not as obsessed with Greek Mythology as I am, people who casually scroll thru the comments looking for interesting tidbits

[@annaanimated1305]

How would Cassandra ( mother gothel`s daughter from tangled the series) tie into his theory?

[@hybreon1806]

I also like the symbolism of when mother Gothel dies. The glowing power fades away, Meg loses the last remaining part of Hercules, and she grows old and dies. However, the healing and immortality hasn’t completely gone away, it just shows up as Hercules’ tears - his sadness for Meg and who she became.

[@sunlightangel87]

I actually thought this the first day I saw Tangled. Their dresses are similar. Their faces are similar. Their attitudes are similar. She wants to be immortal because she died before and didn't want to go back to Hades. And honestly, while she was definitely a villain, she was an understandable one. Definitely was manipulative but remember Hades taught her how to be.

[@TaiaFlake]

Meg is literally the reason Hades failed and he doesn't actually die at the end of the movie so he is still down there... If I was her I wouldn't want to die either!

[@YellowBear-kx1ff]

Fear of death is actually a normal human emotion.

[@iamironman3388]

@@YellowBear-kx1ff yeah but probably more so if you have met the physical embodiment of death itself and he tired to take over your world, kill the person you like and you…and have also already died so probably a been there done that kind of thing

[@annaanimated1305]

How would Cassandra ( mother gothel`s daughter from tangled the series) tie into his theory?

[@nikoquirin6686]

@@annaanimated1305 Okay, hear me out- What if Hercules was her father? And the flower was used to keep both Meg AND Cassandra alive, we know the flower keeps mother gothel looking young, so what if it keeps people looking/maybe even mentally being the age they started using it at? Cassandra could have been an infant for centuries. Eventually, Meg decides its too dangerous to keep bringing Cassandra to the flower with her, as a crying baby isnt exactly subtle or a good buddy on a trip to a place you want hidden, and starts going by herself to use the flower. ALSO the moonstone was kind of implied to kill anyone who attempted to use it and sort of being a demigod could explain why cassandra wasnt obliterated by it.

[@Kelarys]

It generally doesn't make for a good time if you go to jail after you ruined the warden's life

[@OmniGeek26]

Spoiler for Greek Mythology Alternate ending for Hercules: Hercules: I can’t stay, i need to spend my life with Meg Zeus: why don’t you just go down to see her once a week Hercules: wait I can do that Zeus: of course how do you think I met your mother Hera: what do you mean ‘met your mother’ Zeus: Hercules sit down your mother isn’t your real mother Hera: what Zeus: this isn’t the first time either

[@anvime739]

I never understood why he cannot just 'pause' the inmortality until she dies. They live a nice life together and then he goes back to the gods

[@FanOfAnimation]

@@anvime739 better question: why can’t they have Meg become immortal as well?

[@anvime739]

@@FanOfAnimation Good one

[@Arkainum]

I mean, real spoiler, he murders Meg, and their children...

[@redhead_bebs]

@@anvime739 What do you mean "Good one"? Unless I am mistaken, I believe that there are several Greek myths where mortals are gifted immortality... Like... Ariadne... And Psyche... Sure those aren't the myth of Hercules, but still. They are bringing up an idea that could theoretically be supported by what Greek gods do in the myths.

[@britaniaheide3217]

I feel like this also explains what Meg/Mother Gothel does when she isn't at the tower. She tries to find a way to bring back Hercules. And maybe she is staying immortal not because she wants to live forever but because she wants to find a way to get Hercules back.

[@Miss_Myth]

Great point! My biggest issue with the theory stated is Why would Meg want to keep living forever with Herc gone? Why wouldn't she look forward to reuniting in the afterlife? Your comment adds the piece I was missing, nice job! 😃

[@ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΣΛΑΧΑΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ]

@@Miss_Myth Because she is from Ancient Greece. If Hercules went to the afterlife as a mortal they'd just both be on Hades's mercy if she died. If he went to Olympus as a god after he died as a mortal like the original myth, they'll never reunite

[@Miss_Myth]

@@ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΣΛΑΧΑΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ I'm well aware that she's from Ancient Greece, however, the Disney movie shows no sign of certain Greek cultural/mythical elements of the afterlife, such as the Elysian fields. Knowing that something is a certain way in Greek culture or Greek myth doesn't mean it will be that way in the movie or, for that matter, in this theory. I was complimenting the OP on filling in a blank I felt the video had left out, not something I didn't understand about the movie or the myth. Apologies if I seem defensive, but this is a favorite subject of mine (my screen name is literally ms Greek Myth geek), and I felt the need to share that I'm not completely ignorant on the subject.

[@aboveall9521]

no, this video is nothing but fan fic. mother gothel was a shallow women how loved her beauty. nothing more and nothing less

[@potatogaming7044]

If they died hades wouldn’t sent them to Tartarus, Midas and some other guys would

[@amandalungren]

My problem with Meg becoming Mother Gothel is seeing her use, isolate and gaslight someone the way Hades did for her.

[@Meela9088]

Plus her previous ex boyfriend (implied)

[@alexl92]

This actually just proves the theory: many times the abused become the worst abusers when pushed too far, following the pattern of their previous relationship. Having your immortality stolen from you can do that to you. Plus her relationship with her “daughter” is not really far off from an overbearing mother syndrome - Munchausen by proxy is an extreme example.

[@judeearlywine9759]

That's what trauma can do to people

[@bisexualskywalker]

Honestly, I love this theory. Monsters are made and all that. but I can't see it, I can't see Meg actively harming a girl she is raising. Taking her for granted, using her for something. That's exactly what her first love did. I don't think she'd treat her CHILD like that, the way she was treated, knowingly too.

[@tipjrjr326]

she's only human, people do things they never would all the time

[@katieakin1091]

If you've seen Tangled: The Series, Gothel ends up having a daughter, Cassandra, and she treats Cassandra worse than Rapunzel; she leaves her alone a lot because she's taking care of Rapunzel in the tower. I actually really like this theory and it's TOO similar to be a coincidence (in my opinion).

[@clarejennings5049]

She kind of did that to Rapunzel. She gaslights her a lot and lies to her constantly. The least she could have done is taken her on walks instead of keeping her trapped

[@macyc1010]

Meg might not have wanted to treat her child like that but she never really seemed to look at Rapunzel like a daughter. She kept calling Rapunzel a flower(which is what she used to be), and any affection she gave to Rapunzel was directed towards her hair. I might be biased because I one hundred percent agree with this theory and there are way too many coincidences for it to just be that.

[@PaciMartin]

Don’t blame her, love made her CRAZY! -some what of the Taylor Swift song.

[@maisyh1678]

so that’s why “I won’t say i’m in love” and “mother knows best” are both bangers

[@khadijasenghor286]

Ben’s growing out his beard to full Santa Claus? Nope, Dumbledore or nothing.

[@YellowBear-kx1ff]

Ben can be the SuperCarlinBrothers version of Santa Claus.

[@strangerpuff.2572]

YES

[@Steveofthejungle8]

Well he’s gotta go Santa Claus along the way

[@hubertnnn]

Omg, I just imagined Ben as tangled dwarf with glowing golden beard that he throws out of window of his tower.

[@strangerpuff.2572]

@@hubertnnn 😆😆😆

[@PriyaPans]

As someone with a family big in gardening, I've never understood how Mother Gothel never tried to raise cuttings from the plant, or at least potted it so that she could protect and keep the plant all the time.

[@emmalynnelson8257]

Maybe that would also damage it?

[@PriyaPans]

@Kate Mohr I like this theory.

[@cactusgamingyt9960]

​@@katemohr6580Still, potting it would have been better though.

[@spiker.ortmann]

Because she had no idea about gardening? Maybe she didn't knew how to do it and was afraid of asking for help and losing the flower...

[@PriyaPans]

@@spiker.ortmann but she's a smart woman who's lived a long time. She learned about the location of the flower itself. Not many did that. I'm sure she could've found other ways

[@gourmetwaffle4009]

It’s also funny that Hercules says to Phil “Haven’t you ever had a dream?” 😅

[@raining_trees]

Before watching: "Ha ha what a ridiculous theory, just because they look the same doesn't mean they're the same person." After watching: "There's literally no way she isn't Meg."

[@allisonjae3152]

She can't be Meg, because Meg dies. Read the original story. I hate it when Disney ruins great literature.

[@kaylaross7565]

@@allisonjae3152 disney changes all of the original stories and makes it there own, just cause Meg died in the myths doesn’t mean her disney version died, the Hercules movie is very inaccurate to the stories, hera was never his mother for one, and the original story of rupunzel didn’t even mention a flower it was about her pregnant mother wanting lettuce, my point is the original stories don’t mean anything to the disney stories

[@Vaspira]

Accept in Tangled the series the sun stone and moon stone are better explained so his theory makes no sense

[@druid_zephyrus]

"You must be new here..."

[@Wsplife]

The series completely debunks this theory so she isn’t really Meg

[@pudupudu9837]

Not forgetting, of course, that Meg has actually DIED before, and Hercules rescued her from the underworld. If she can't rescue him in turn, changing the fates' design as he did for her, she'd likely feel guilt and eventual bitterness ('I didn't ASK to be saved; I didn't ask to go through the pain of losing another man I loved. You left me, too. All men leave...') Also, she knows how much the underworld sucks, so I don't suppose she'd want to go back there any time soon (/any time at all) and would likely be even less inclined to die than the rest of us

[@alexiswelsh5821]

The Tangled tv show explained that Gothel was a follower of a creature named Zhan Tiri who was studying the Sundrop and Moonstone (an opal that was created from a drop of moonlight and causes death and destruction), and that’s how she knew the song. Also there’s more songs.

[@alexiswelsh5821]

Also, what about Cassandra? Did the incredibly vain Gothel find someone who looked exactly like Heracles?

[@raquelandre649]

Exactly!! I was waiting for someone to mention Tangled the Series

[@kelleyjohnson7949]

Others have already pointed out why the series contradicts this, but I would like to point out that Cassandra is a Greek name, which I always found strange in a German fairy tale. Not a huge selling point, but it is convenient that Gothel chose a greek name for her daughter. If this theory was true, however, Hercules would not be Cassandra's father. He would have died hundreds or thousands of years ago, so there would have had to be another man.

[@katieakin1091]

I love this theory, and when you mentioned the incantation being Meg/Mother Gothel hurting from Hercules dying, I thought about the decay incantation from Tangled: The Series. The lyrics make so much sense, too! Wither and decay End this destiny Break these earthly chains And set the spirit free Take what has been hurt (ah, ah, ah, ah) Grant them no mercy (ah, ah, ah, ah) Bend and break the reigns And set the spirit free The spirit free

[@Okay_Is_Wonderful]

I'm sure you'll convince me, but I'm initially offended on my gal Meg's behalf

[@SuperCarlinBrothers]

Its actually a very sad and touching story

[@Okay_Is_Wonderful]

@@SuperCarlinBrothers Follow-up: Well darnit, I can't reject it out of hand; y'all are too good at this! Live long enough to see yourself become the villain, I guess. Also sucks because she was done dirty by Hades/her ex in that movie, & OG Greek mythology, umm...😬 Somebody cut her a break! 💜

[@IanHsieh]

Ikr, not only they denied the poor Meg from the princess crown, they made her a villain!

[@ryanhack5718]

@@Okay_Is_Wonderful Rapunzel’s Tangled Adventure ruins the theory.

[@ryanhack5718]

@Aislee Love Greenwood Except we know that the flower is connected with the moon stone, we get the real story how both came to earth, and we know Gothel was a disciple of Lord Demanitus before betraying him which is why she knew the Healing Incantation.

[@Thomas_H._Smith]

4:41 in Tangled: The Series it's confirmed it's not a drop of the actual sun, it's from a separate entity in the cosmos that was separated from the moon stone when it fell to earth, which BTW is not made of a drop of moon light as that's ridiculous you can't have a drop of light.

[@___i3ambi126]

The tangled series also has some stuff about where the songs came from and mother gothel's background. Id highly recommend giving it a watch. The songs are great.

[@silverbemyname]

Yes!!!

[@Babydovej]

AMAZING!

[@wolfduckstudios]

I am surprised at how far I had to scroll to see someone mention the series

[@absolutenonsensical]

I can’t believe this because I love Meg so much. Having her ending be what happens in tangled would be heartbreaking!

[@Lalune350z]

It's not Meg. Meg has purple eyes, brown hair, a different voice (Susan Egan) and was created by Gerald Scarfe. Mother Gothel has grey eyes, black hair, voiced by Donna Murphy and was created by Claire Keane. Rapunzel story was created by Grimm brothers. Hercules is greek mythology. Two very different things.

[@irain4927]

"Meg is Mother Gothel and here's why" Tangled The Series:Are you sure about that?

[@kittycatmeowmeow963]

Tell me, should I watch it? I'm hearing a lot of people saying it's good.🤷

[@irain4927]

@@kittycatmeowmeow963 I thought it was good. That's an "eh" twist in it near the end,but it was still pretty good.

[@PleasantlyEmpathic9924]

Very interesting theory The Flower could have grown from where Hercules was buried, which is why " _MeGothel_ " was furious when it was taken away _However_ , there is one person you forgot to explain in this theory: Cassandra Gothel

[@AirQuotes]

Exactly the origins fit but their characters are totally different

[@Thomas_H._Smith]

Exactly! If Meg sang to the flower to bring back Hercules because she was still loyal to him, then why would she have a daughter with another man?

[@YellowBear-kx1ff]

@@Thomas_H._Smith Maybe Hercules is Cassandra’s father.

[@Thomas_H._Smith]

@@YellowBear-kx1ff that's impossible she was four when Rapunzel was born. So best case scenario Gothel/Meg was somehow like 80 when she became pregnant, then Herc died, she found the flower, and only used it for 5 years tops. And the also moved to Germany, 1800km away, somewhere in there.

[@58mdog]

I definitely wondered where Cass would fit in this, but unfortunately Ben and J have only seen through season 1. I have told them to keep watching and promised it gets better (though I do enjoy season 1), but they haven't done so yet

[@theresachapman4498]

If you're looking at just the movies, it's totally possible. However if you watch Tangled the series things get a little murkier.

[@Harudodo]

Personally I take Disney series and Disney movies as different canons, but I can see how it gets murky

[@shannon9180]

@@Harudodo I agree with you. That series in my mind totally just doesn’t exist

[@amandasmalley1970]

It's not Canon

[@Child_of_Nyx]

I was looking for someone to bring this up lol

[@Vaspira]

@@amandasmalley1970 Tangled the series is Canon. It basically leads up to right before their wedding short..

[@kelseadirmann3434]

Shame Tangled: The Series basically debunks the entire “sonlight” portion of this theory. And explains how Mother Gothel knew the words, which were part of an ancient spell, that her boss created. Y’all should really just watch Tangled: The Series, it’s genuinely fantastic with great character building, phenomenal music, and a hefty helping of magic flower and magic rock lore.

[@jbree.30]

Plus Jeremy Jordan 🥰🥰

[@hollyputvin917]

I was about to comment about this. Thank you.

[@firegriff446]

I was about to comment on the same general idea, but was also going to mention the Moonstone in contrast, since the existance of THAT throws all kinds of gears into the theory...

[@loracorwyn3713]

But is it considered cannon to the Disney movie verse?

[@vange13113]

@@loracorwyn3713 Yep

[@musicaltheatrefan2k226]

It’s a coincidence that Meg’s voice actress, Susan Egan (OG Belle in the OBC of Beauty and the Beast), sang Mother Knows Best once. I’m petitioning her to play Gothel when Tangled gets a staged production.

[@joelbailey176]

You should read the Disney twisted tales, specifically Go the Distance. It shows how Meg feels at the idea of Herc losing his immortality

[@sarahmargaret6498]

As much as I’d like to believe this theory, the existence of Tangled: the Series kinda disproves it. The show establishes the extended lore of the sundrop and that it actually has a counterpart in the moonstone. It also establishes that Gothel was a pupil of an ancient engineer and researcher named Lord Demanitus who was researching the two magic items and how they worked and everything. Gothel, along with Demanitus’ other students, betrayed him and resurrected his enemy, Zhan Tiri who wanted to use the combined magic to destroy Corona. I think it’s implied that Gothel also betrayed Zhan Tiri by never reporting that the sundrop had been found and she used it to keep herself young because she’s just wholly selfish that way. It should also be noted that the king of Corona did know that taking the sundrop would upset the balance and awaken the darkness contained within the moonstone but he was willing to do whatever it took to save his wife and unborn daughter but honestly the lore is way too complicated to explain in a single comment so just watch the show

[@Izz443]

Yes here it is this is exactly what I was thinking

[@amandasmalley1970]

It's not Cannon. At all.

[@amandasmalley1970]

@@oliviarogers3559 all you have to do is Google search. The first answer you get is it's no more canon then any other series not created by the same directors. It's not just some random person giving their opinion. Anything else that says it's Canon are just people stating why they think it's Canon. Most series aren't Canon especially if that series isn't wrote by the same creators.

[@alyssakays367]

@@amandasmalley1970 so does that mean that the Star Wats sequels are not canon? Boy would I love for that to be true!

[@gerstein03]

@@amandasmalley1970 um disney created both. And the cast is the same

[@TheRealBellatrixLestrange]

A video about Bellatrix's patronus would be cool. I love the videos you discuss patronus.

[@j.asmrgaming1228]

Would she have one? I thought most evil wizards couldn't produce a patronus?

[@alice8200]

Yes!

[@TheRealBellatrixLestrange]

@@j.asmrgaming1228 when has that stopped the SuperCarlinBrothers before lol. Also all that is technically required is a happy enough memory, and enough skill. For example Umbrige could produce one (a cat), but Draco couldn't (but they theorized it would be an albino peacock).

[@desmondgentle1474]

@@j.asmrgaming1228 That has always been a sticking point with me about the HP universe. Why wouldn't a death eater be able to make/use a patronus? I see no reason why a person, even an evil one, shouldn't be able to conjure up a solid happy memory to cast one. I've heard it said that death eaters can't make them because they would have no use for them because they and dementors often align but that makes no sense to me either. Many of Voldemort's followers were in Azkaban suffering under the effects of the dementors for years. It only makes sense for the death eaters to learn how to make patronuses if only so they wouldn't have to feel that intense depression when they're around them.

[@TheRealBellatrixLestrange]

@@desmondgentle1474 well they aren't supposed to have wants in azkaban, so it wouldn't help there. In the books we don't really see a time a death eater would want to cast a patronus when they have a wand. I don't see a reason that many of them would be unable to do it, they just either haven't taken the time to learn or we never see it. That's just my way of looking at it.

[@HaakonHawk]

This doesn't fit with the Tangled: Before Ever After and the TV show that follows. They're seen riding their horses to the spot where the flower used to be and back within just one night. This means it definitely wasn't in Greece. Also, the series gives a bit more backstory to Mother Gothel, but nothing that directly hinders the theory.

[@racheljackson4428]

that's right.

[@musicsperfume]

@Aislee Love Greenwood Still, how can the moon and sun being separated (and trying to reunite by their drops) as story arc from the series match with SCB's theory?

[@clackety_]

@@musicsperfume perhaps human misinterpreted it, or a loss of translation! Perhaps as people from greece throughout the years went about telling the tale of Hercules, and how a drop of sunlight fell from the sky in night, those who thought it impossible changed it to moonlight, and eventually as the sunflower and the moonstone were discovered, the entire story morphed to it being two drops instead of one. Or People just misunderstood since it said that both descended, one would think separately, but in truth it was in one as hercules! Let me explain hear me out: the Sundrop Flower and Moonstone Opal descended to Earth thousands of years previously, the result of an ancient great heavenly power, having then divided into two opposing forces. Heracles in death would divide into two because he is not fully mortal he is technically a demi-god. His immortal half and his mortal half would divide as it does in the real myth, and because Disney doesn’t really like clinging to the real mythology. Instead of his mortal half descending into the underworld and his immortal half rising to Olympus (to weirdly marry his half-sister). Because he rejected his status, his soul remains on earth, and soon enough his immortality becomes the sun flower, and his mortality becomes the moonstone. The sunflower provides immortality, longevity, and healing which of course is immortality, and something that the Greek immortals are capable of. While the Moonstone has Power over death, ruin, decay, destruction, and Drain the life-force and vital essence from living thing, from plants to people. Which is actually pretty closely related to Mortality and being Human. Such as needing the essence of plants (crops!) to survive, along with being able to die, and cause irreversible ruin, decay, and destruction which in greek myth is usually left for the immortals to come and fix. Because the moonstone/ Hercule’s mortal side longs to be reconnected with the immortal side, it could be actively looking and sense when the immortal half is near. Idk that’s my guess, but this myth does make a lot of sense

[@Tink192]

I know a bit of lore for how she knows the healing incantation (asked at 9:54) She worshiped Zann tiri the villain of season 2 of tangled the series,. She or zan tiri found one guy’s research for the flower and moon stone, and that guy was Daedalus. And Daedalus was of greek mythology and has a weather machine under corona in the series. So another greek legend is connected to tangled.

[@s1mmons.cr3]

I was on board but I thought of a few things: 1. The hair difference / Meg had purple eyes and Gothel has like grayish or in the series they’re clearly green 2. Issac Carlson did a video a year ago about the origins based off of Tangled the series go check it out. 3. There’s a mother gothel backstory book that idk is canon but it’s worth looking into.

[@biggameboy]

Not sure if it fits well in the theory, but in the Hercules series that Disney had many years ago, there was an episode where he had to have blood drawn, and his blood was golden instead of red.

[@hanananah]

I'm gonna hear you out but I'm genuinely distressed by this attempted character assassination of my girl Meg.

[@joehadari7315]

Is it an attempted character assassination of Meg or an attempted partial redemption of Gothel?

[@beastwriter3915]

@@joehadari7315 I wouldn't call it redemption since Gothel came after Meg... so it's like, reverse redemption... corruption?

[@kawairachi]

I am with you in this one.

[@joehadari7315]

@@beastwriter3915 I think he's attempting to, after the fact, understand Gothel better, redeem her character rather than her.

[@beastwriter3915]

@@joehadari7315 Ah, interesting i mean, that's one way to do it tragic backstory

[@Chikararyoku]

very interesting, almost convinced me, but... Meg; brown hair, lavender eyes. mother Gothel, black hair grey eyes also also, actually actually; tangled the series

[@Eckertainment]

0:38 this "hooray" and energy is just so delightful I had to rewind like 3 times.

[@night_of_stars]

This actually makes sense!! I think the fact that Mother Gothel and Meg are just so similar makes this seem possible to me.

[@briannacoutts5293]

Tangled the Series, Rapunzel's Adventure. Actually may disprove this theory, because the show goes deeper into the creation of Sun Drop and its counterpart the Moon Stone. An ancient scientist was studying the two powers with his pupils whom eventually betrayed him and its heavily implied that one the pupils was Mother Gothel. Plus in the TV moive premiere for this show it shows black rocks formed around the area where the flower was picked. The black rocks gave rapunzel her hair back, but with different powers. So their may be evidence that disproves your guys theory.

[@babybearcubfajardo203]

I was so confused that they didn’t mention Tangled the series when usually they really go in depth in their theories but eh it’s still fun to watch I guess, just wished they used all the material

[@KohakuAmber22]

Thank you! The series was my first thought as well. Maybe they don't consider it canon?

[@annapetryk620]

@@KohakuAmber22 well id assume it's cannon cause they were going to make a varian spin off series so i don't think they'd make a whole other series based off something that isn't cannon. oh also obsessed with the show so it better be cannon.

[@jmvanzalinge5023]

They don't just imply Mother Gothel was a pupil, she was one of them. And Zanteri was pretty ticked to find that Gothel only wanted to use the sun drop for vain purposes. Everything about Mother Gothel's back story, the full lore behind the sun drop, the location of the flower, etc. is answered in this series and completely debunks this theory.

[@Lyssa16]

the book about mother gothels past says something different as well it says she had two mortal sisters and they were witches her mother stole them from the village over the thorns so gothel wouldn’t be alone and they would live for centuries until got her burns all of the golden flowers killing her mother except one she saves it and plants it somewhere else and once it’s stolen she steals it back in the form of rapunzel if the royals had used it properly then none of it would’ve happened if you think about it

[@mrshush7337]

Not gonna lie Mother Gothel is literally the best Architect in any movie ever.

[@TDay-uk6dq]

um annabel

[@sirfzavers8634]

What about Lord Business’s architect?

[@earthbloodelf5289]

@@TDay-uk6dq shhhhh The Percy Jackson movies do not exist (If I am remembering things correctly and this is what you are talking abkut)

[@SMBudge]

@@earthbloodelf5289 her name is a annabeth, not Annabel, so it must be something else. Also, I agree, there are no movies

[@Labinzel]

@@SMBudge That's likely the joke, Annabel is what Mr D most often misnames her, that or Annie.

[@SuperCarlinBrothers]

Who is your favorite Disney Villain??

[@p_e_a_r_s_e660]

Hades for sure

[@Dawn-2-Dusk]

Gotta go with Dr. Facilier, but Mother Gothel is a close second

[@totallydion1465]

Frollo

[@afroninjawrld]

Scar

[@storm.loves.reading]

Definitely Maleficent.

[@Lexi-wi4it]

At 12:19, I totally get what you're saying. My favorite way of explaining that is saying that it's an explanation and not an excuse. I think that's a pretty easy way of explaining it. Love this video! 😊

[@LeoChaseTheMythMaster]

These are two of my favourite Disney characters ever. Maybe my two favourite ever. This theory works so well. Love you SuperCarlinBrothers.

[@Spectralyzed]

So, I'd be totally convinced if I didn't feel like y'all just totally ignored Tangled: The Series. The Sun Drop is actually a physical thing, (it ends up becoming a stone of sorts) that comes into play. And the song is actually an incantation, one of many, all of which were written down.

[@QUEENOBSCURE]

ITS NOT CANNON! I say! This was more cash grab, so they made it quick, but didn't have plotholes, they made it work.

[@KittyOfChess]

They also didn't address how Cassandra came to exist in this theory

[@christinamansen8636]

@@QUEENOBSCURE it is cannon. It's voiced by the same voice actors and directed by the same directors. And it completely builds on the plot with no contradictions

[@ryanhack5718]

And what about the moon stone then as well. If Hercules was the origin of the sun drop then what is the origin of the moon stone?

[@emilymika8285]

It’s 100% cannon! Like said above, same voice actors, same writers/directors. It’s not a cash grab, it’s an alternative to a sequel movie. That logic means any sequel (eg little mermaid 2, lion king 2, monsters University) isn’t cannon… the upcoming Moana and Princess and the Frog Disney+ series will also be cannon.

[@atleastdecent3810]

wow that is super convincing, and your beard looks great these days

[@bumblebeeproductions1673]

It does tho

[@CodedLockFilms]

The fact that Ben is so sold on this theory fitting into the lore is pretty conclusive proof that he's never seen Tangled: The Series, which is canon and massively contradicts huge portions of this theory.

[@vange13113]

Oh my gosh, I’ve been a fan of you for years, I love your videos!

[@CodedLockFilms]

@@vange13113 Thank you so much! Really appreciate it!

[@vange13113]

@@CodedLockFilms No problem!!

[@Steveofthejungle8]

And also slaps. Crossing the Line is a banger and Lance Strongbow is one of the best characters ever

[@christianali5431]

I think the word you’re looking for to describe Meg actually entail the phrase “what a great character Meg BECAME as opposed to what a horrible character mother Gothel is.“ Meg was not a good character until after she met Hercules and became convinced that she could be a better person.

[@chaselee4958]

Meg also angered the ruler of the afterlife which would give her a very good reason to try and avoid death.

[@samurai_panda]

Disney: makes 2 completely different animation that are not similar what so ever Ben: FrAmE FoR FrAmE eXaCt

[@TrekBeatTK]

We should show him all the examples of when they ARE frame for frame exact.

[@glaceongirlakasusie4961]

Ben: Matpat mode activated!

[@coolnerdlll6053]

She HAS to be Mephisto. I mean, come on. It's *pretty obvious* if you ask me.

[@Keirridwen]

@Aislee Love Greenwood Tbh, she kinda is like Agatha ... wait a minute

[@caranostalgico9249]

@@Keirridwen It was Megara all along?

[@charleslee8313]

I was hoping the Tangled series would have more of a connection, but you didn't include it in your video. I do think that the theory is logical. It would definitely explain why Gothel turned to dust, before hitting the ground.

[@YellowBear-kx1ff]

Yes, but does that mean that Gothel is Meg’s surname? And that Mother is her title? So when Hercules marries her in the TV series, since he has no real surname, does he gain Gothel as a surname?

[@crazypurple9550]

My theory is Mother Gothel realizes that the flower is her last living connection to Hercules, and she's trying to stay alive to make sure that her last living connection to Hercules stays alive as well. She did not hate Rapunzel, but she could not see her as her own individual self because she carried the last living connection to Hercules

[@justineharper3346]

Idk how you guys keep convincing me of these crazy theories, but keep ‘em coming. I’ll never look at a Tangled the same way

[@LightsOnTrees]

I honestly think at this point you could make a video that Spiderman is actually actually Santa Claus and get us most of the way.

[@nickk17nj]

I always thought mother goth was the evil queen from the 7 dwarfs surviving the fall and finding the flower.

[@purplenerd5293]

this is way better than their idea!!!

[@josephcrews6423]

hmm. interesting.

[@TinkBellQ]

I liked this theory when they originally did it, but the Tangled the Series just completely disproved it, and now here they are doing it again

[@freedomchaser9664]

@Aislee Love Greenwood OK then what about the Moonstone how would this play into things, also Gothel's song is an incantation from a scroll which has other incantations

[@Evancore-u6v]

@@freedomchaser9664 im probably gonna make a wattpad fanfic about this anyways (and adress all the points the series addresses)

[@juliannehayden]

@@Evancore-u6v I want to read it

[@saracospanaru3122]

5:10 maybe it fell during daytime, but it got here during night time, but there's like 2 other planets who could've drawn that drop to them, I mean, both mercury and venus have smaller msses than the earth, but still.

[@bonniedavidson6056]

The reason why gothel was so scared of death was being bound to hades again and that is why she did not want to face her mortality

[@mirrormarvel5751]

There is a small issue which is how it fits into tangled the series because we do get bit gothel backstory in it

[@sdg131]

Series aren't cannon to the movies when it comes to Disney unless explicitly stated

[@silvermist4110]

Yeahhh 😅 i just kinda assume they ignore series that follow some movies with theories like this.

[@artsydragon4874]

Don't forget Meg lived LOOONG before the events of tangled and it's series. For all we know she got all caught up in the sundrop/moondrop stuff long after finding the flower for the first.

[@silvermist4110]

Yeah they definitely not counting show cause he said we don't know how far flower is, but we see in show its in walking distance of castle. Which so odd cause they count series at other times for other theories to talk about Eugenie etc which we only see more of in show. But guess just fun theory an cool to think about

[@michellemahar9030]

Agreed. We even know who she studied under. She isn't Meg. Also, Meg is capable of genuinely caring for others while Mother Gothel isn't. My mother is exactly like Mother Gothel, to the point I can't listen to her song without feeling like I will throw up. And the scenes are shot scene for scene because Disney reuses stuff. Not sold on this.

[@theJimgenie626]

This theory can't work because Sora, Donald and Goofy visit both Olympus and the Kingdom of Corona. They are separate worlds and Mother Gothel and Meg are alive at the same time.

[@earthbloodelf5289]

Me: *sees title*This is a bunch of baloney, this couldn't be real Also Me: They're going to convince me anyways aren't they You guys somehow always do keep up the great work guys

[@Egg-Thor]

So there's a tiny issue with this theory. Tangled the series. Unfortunately this theory just doesn't hold up with the information we are given in the show. Firstly there's the origin of the sundrop. (Spoilers for the series btw, go watch it it's really good) We know from the show that the sundrop was an actual drop that fell from the sky after a mysterious event in the heavens split it from the moonstone. The sundrop became the golden flower, and the moonstone became an opal that grew a kingdom around itself. This directly conflicts with the theory that the flower grew from where Hercules landed on Earth. This also means that the powers of Hercules and the Greek gods have nothing to do with the powers of the sundrop and moonstone and they aren't related in any way. If the flower doesn't have anything to do with Hercules, then we have no reason to believe that Meg would somehow find it after Hercules died or that she would even know something like that existed. Then there also the issue of the flower's location, where we know it's very close to the kingdom of Corona, aka not in Greece. We can also explain Mother Gothel's behaviour regarding saving Eugene, or telling Rapunzel how fast he would leave her, because we know that Gothel had to raise a daughter all by herself, implying there was some man in the past that left or died (and no, it can't be Hercules, the genetics just don't line up). Anyway this is a fun theory, especially if you only look at the movies, but unfortunately the lore of Tangled just doesn't support it.

[@xxsniperkittykatxx]

"Hop, skip, and a boat ride" does make sense if you travel down to Venece and then sail to Greece.

[@Raptor213]

I think the reason she's so jaded about love again is because Herc left her. It's a bit dark, but I imagine Meg spent her youth, years of her life with Hercules, only for him to run off with a younger woman. So she became obsessed with regaining her own youth, taking back the years that he "stole" from her.

[@chelbanna]

I agree! Or, perhaps as Meg studied under Zhan Tiri (as other people mentioned Mother Gothel did in the series to originally find the Sun drop and moonstone), Hercules as a hero was disgusted with this manipulation of the natural order of things. She could have been trying to "regain the immortality" he gave up to be with her, but Hercules learned enough in the movie to be mature enough to accept the agreement he made. He agreed to be mortal and to die in order to be with Meg; it would be wrong for him to hurt his parents by trying to cheat the system. So, he leaves her and eventually dies during a heroic effort, leaving Meg with a hatred of men and only her vanity to hold on to. After all, Meg herself is quite vain- she has no problem using her feminine wiles to control others for Hades, and she knows she can. So why stop if you have immortality?

[@noahsterben5666]

I got to say Morther Gothal is an absolute beauty, straight up gorgeous, on the outside. Her heart is blacker the sinned soot.

[@Thomas_H._Smith]

There are just so many things wrong with this theory once you watch Tangled: The Series. 1. Mother Gothel is only supposed to be 400 years old. Now Tangled is set in 1834 which means Gothel was born in 1434 and the reign of the Greek empire ended in 146 B.C 2. The sun drop is not made of actual sun, rather it's a separate entity in the cosmos, comprised of it and the moon stone, (which no is not made of a drop of moon light as that's ridiculous you can't have a drop of light and the moon's light is only a reflection of the sun's) and the two were separated when they fell to earth. 3. In Tangled: Before Ever After, Rapunzel and her handmaid Cassandra make it from the castle, to where the flower was, and back in one night, on only horseback which is impossible to do when you have over 1,800km to cover. 4. Gothel knows the words to the song and the location of the flower because she was a disciple of the sorcerers Lord Demanitis and Zhan Tiri who studied the flower and stone for years until they managed to figure out the songs before they betrayed each other. *MAJOR SPOILERS HERE* 5. If Gothel/Meg sang to the flower to bring back Hercules because she was so loyal to him, why would she have her daughter Cassandra with another man. Also if Gothel was Meg why would she move to Germany, she would need to make periodic trips to flower annually, and if you say she lived in Greece before she kidnap Rapunzel why would she raise her in Germany as opposed to 1,800km away There's also the fact that they look and sound completely different.

[@vange13113]

THANK YOU!!! I’ve seriously been thinking this the whole time!!

[@ElfsArt24]

Agreed

[@freedomchaser9664]

I couldn't have said it better

[@AtarahDerek]

Gothel is over 2,000 years old.

[@anvime739]

Your points are really good. But for me specially the looks. The flower restors her to her youth so she should have red hair and purple eyes not like Gothel.

[@theeasychannel1288]

Rapanzels tangled adventure and Meg's hair/eyes: _I'm about the ruin this man's whole career_

[@bonweech3346]

Forget the Tangled series imo, yeah it may be a decent show but this theory is great and for me the “ya big lug” moment sealed it. That’s when it went from “funny coincidence potentially based on inspiration” to “clear design choice of character continuity”

[@limettenkuchen]

Didn't you already do this one? I'm 100% sure that I saw a video about this theory before and it's so specific that I doubt someone else did it

[@lrockyfan5106]

He did, but he mentioned it at the beginning of the video. This just had a little bit more detail.

[@isabellatheresemateo3961]

Re-commenting my theory from the Tangled Video in the card "i"... I still think its plausible My theory is maybe in some scenario when Hercules is dying or has no choice but to become immortal and leave Meg down on earth (because in the end of the movie he didn't choose to become a God), but in return Hecules asked one God in particular to leave some power for Meg, he asks Apollo, the God of the SUN and HEALING, to create that flower, and the reason I am theorizing on why that said power is in a form of a flower and not actually power is because if you look into Greek Mythology you'll see that there are a lot of plants based off of God's experiences, especially Apollo, from his birth to his boy crushes, and male enemies, they all represent a similar plant and color, YELLOW FLOWERS, and why did Eugene said "Golden Flower" Oh I don't know maybe because Apollo and Artemis' significant colors is/are Yellow/Gold, or the fact that their blood (ichor) is also color Gold (Sarcastic at this line). A lot of bells ringing at this point. So I theorize that the Magic Golden Flower was meant for Meg AKA Mother Gothel, and Hercules gave her that song because Apollo is also the God of Music and Poetry, hence the deep meaning behind the lyrics of the special song So my theory is that when Hercules needed to leave Meg/Mother Gothel down on earth while he lives an immortal life, but he can't just go back down to earth with Meg, it's a choice Hercules has to choose either he has to live immortally but can't see Meg or he has to die and leave Meg/Mother Gothel with another broken heart, thus he chose to live but left some power for Meg, the Magic Golden Flower, to work out their immortal, long distance relationship. So he asks Apollo the God of the Sun, Healing, and Music, to grant his request. Thus his request granted, and Apollo dropped that drop of "sunshine" with healing powers. Though since Hercules also has no choice but to agree not to make contact to the world, it would probably take him time to slip through his Father's rules (Zeus), and when he finally did he gives Meg/Mother Gothel the song for the flower, yet she has aged and probably took more time to travel from Greece to Germany and more time to actually find the flower, this is the time where Meg is now known as Mother Gothel, which I actually believe I mean you don't get that Hip and Bad Girl attitude from anywhere except from a horrible ex-boyfriend and Hades Though it's just a theory. Not much evidence on the deal with Hercules becoming Immortal and have no contact with anything on Earth but everything seems to fit in. [EDITED] It was also hard to base the Gods' attitude from this movie, considering that all the other Greek Mythology based movies/books (PJO, HOO, Clash/Wrath of the Titans, etc., and Greek Mythology in General) the Gods are REALLY uptight, I mean they don't even care about the mortals, or the fact that in the original legend of Hercules that Hera cursed him into killing his own wife and two sons, so this is where I base the "No contact on Earth" part... What I can say is, as time passed and the Gods somehow get as cranky and uptight as the people in Thebes, then we can say why wouldn't the Gods prevent any more contact with the mortals... But then again that's all I got... Thanks for the likes, I didn't think that it would actually get likes truly grateful 😄😄

[@serenityfortune]

Just when I thought your theories couldn't get any crazier-

[@aureliapshyk8513]

This theory is fascinating, and I believe it fits in a lot of ways!

[@troublessavage]

4:36 small drop of sun or... God's ichor??? Because alternatively, blood is known to be pretty decent fertilizer so GODS BLOOD?! Could potentially just enhance plants abilities or give them new ones etc. That's my theory.... we continue

[@amandapc]

You definitely should watch the series it gives a really unique background to Gothel and the sunflower

[@crazyinvaderfangirl1]

It was convincing until tangled the series came out and DEBUNKED this old theory.

[@khadijasenghor286]

Protagonists would be so much more likeable if their songs were as badass as the villain songs. Not mawkish or sappy, but super catchy, raw and just generally super cool.

[@trin873]

If u want that then listen to Broadway it’s great

[@aionicthunder]

Well, that's why villains are villains: typically, villains are agents of chaos, while heroes are agents of law (typically a personal law, but still a set of rules regardless). Villains don't care about how the world views them, so they do whatever they want, resulting in these bombastic pieces. Meanwhile, heroes have to demonstrate restraint (see Superman's "world of cardboard" speech), so their songs have to be a lot less raw. Of course you can have a very raw song for a hero, but those tend to be more emotional than badass. As for the heroes who are agents of chaos, they tend to lean more towards anti-hero than the paragons I'm referring to, and thus have more freedom with their actions (although I totally have a crush on Steve Rogers), as well as their songs being allowed to be more imposing as they're somewhat seen as intimidating and scary because of the lengths they'll go to

[@vidoexperience8112]

Agreed! I love a good villain song

[@alessio3575]

Great theory! And I'm gonna throw in "Tangled: the series" in. Is Cassandra Gothel's only child? Rapunzel and Cass went out in the middle of the night and found the place where the flower grew. They couldn't go all the way to Greece? Or could they? Is the flower in Greece?

[@liyah0428]

Just looked on google maps and according to roughly where each film was set it would take 26 hours to drive, so maybe we just have to assume the horses in that universe are really fast and never get tired 😭

[@Juicyxcouture]

I’m sitting here like Oh Sh*t and yea now I see it which is crazy . Meg:“You big lug” Mother G: “You big lug”

[@niamhnifhoghlu]

Ben saying "I don't think so" without imitating Helen Parr, disappoints me ever so slightly, but still gotta love the show 😂💕

[@sixty9cuda894]

6 minutes in and it becomes clear that the Carlin Brothers haven’t watched Tangled: The Series. Come on guys, watch it. It’s a great show.

[@themoldysausage]

Maybe Meg became obsessed with immortality because she remembers being in the underworld. She doesn't want to go back. She's seen what comes after death and greatly fears it.

[@AlexLopez0506]

I saw this on TikTok and I'm absolutely in love with this theory. I've had a theory that the Disney movies are connected much like the Pixar Theory, and this is FREAKING great.

[@soshiangel90]

I don't want this to be a thing because I don't want Meg to suffer more...but it fits sooooo well.

[@Leharfri]

As a big fan of tangled: the series… still like the idea, but it does make less sense when considering the series. There's a scroll that explains the song. and a whole lot more to the sundrop.

[@anonymouscreature9483]

My thoughts exactly

[@AirQuotes]

Yer but everyone knows tv shows based on movies usually aren't cannon

[@vange13113]

@@AirQuotes Tangled The Series is canon, it’s been said by Disney

[@MatsonKey]

Dear Carlin Brothers, The more you ignore Tangled: The Series, the more my heart hurts. Love, Me

[@GR_R2]

In the tangled show apparently they reveal that Mother Gothel is over 1,000 years.......so she would be older then Meg. There is about 600 years between the movies and yes we don't know how long Meg was under Hades control and if she aged while under his control but It just seems unlikely. Also in the series it seems to show that the flower is near the Kingdom and mother Gothel was a pupil of a person in the kingdom. So essentially the Tangled series disproves this theory (it seem that the show is cannon unless they say otherwise)

[@jessiesimmons6898]

I think I wanna say it was probably a tear from a god who was sad Hercules died

[@catarinacosta5517]

Don’t forget that, every year, mother Gothel went on a “trip” somewhere. Presumably a beach because of the whole gift of thing she gives rapunzel. My guess is that every year she goes to Greece to visit hercules’ grave

[@justinyoung6342]

If Tangled was a standalone movie, I'd be sympathetic to this theory. But I cannot buy into the idea that Meg would leave her daughter "Waiting in the Wings."

[@holoreandholoel5816]

Ya this theory doesn't really work with TTS

[@cyclopsgaming3788]

I wonder if he got sick of switching sides after the 20th switch 💀

[@SuperCarlinBrothers]

NEVER

[@tayacollins70]

One of the only times a topic intrigued me enough to instantly click when I got the notification 🤓

[@lilislibrary10]

this is one of my most favourite theories EVER it fits completely perfectly

[@2DJoYogurt]

I’m halfway through the videos of the subject gets addressed. I will change it but mother Gothal has no magic abilities yet she changed her eyecolor from purple to gray. I think it would be better to say that mother Gothal is a descendent of meg.