A Brief History of Pokemon Clones

[@DragonballBlack]

I remember thinking that Digimon was a darker version of Pokémon as a kid. Like if I was watching something more mature. Mainly because of how brutal some Digimon deaths were.

[@Jamsalt]

In way you were watching a darker Pokemon

[@BobSmith-tm2kj]

I mean, sure, they have dark digideaths, but have you READ the manga? Arbok gets his head sliced off.

[@Samm815]

Friendly reminder Pokemon was a game first and an anime second, while Digimon was an anime first and a game second.

[@matheusmoreira9951]

@@Samm815 Nope, Digimon was a game first as well. Digimon was originally a line of Tamagochi aimed at boys, so they could battle each others Tamagochi (or in this case, Digimon) and grow stronger.

[@stickizonline]

@@BobSmith-tm2kj They always talk about the Arbok but never all the Gym Leaders getting crucified in the Black and White manga

[@meganeglasses6137]

"The circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant. It is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are.” -- Mewtwo

[@mothersbasement]

Shit goddamn I wish I'd thought to use that quote

[@emeraldmoon209]

Digimon was kind of like it's arch rival. The Pokemon franchise was like Son Goku whereas the Digimon franchise was like Vegeta. The Yugioh franchise is powerless againzt those two combined.

[@meganeglasses6137]

​@@emeraldmoon209 Yugioh is the Krillin. They'll never matchup against the 'powerhouses' but are still there on the category where you can still respect its efforts to last this long.

[@sea-envy3137]

What show is Mr. Satan?

[@fitzsimmons6064]

@Megane Glasses More like Piccolo actually. Always there, still super strong, but knowing that they will never quite match up. And that's OK

[@Alicehastur]

transformers is not a glorified toy commercial... transformers is THE glorified toy commercial

[@ACanadianTigerTan]

I think I liked the old commercials more then the shows themselves

[@danieldishon688]

It's not just a glorified toy commercial, it's a toy commercial written and designed to accommodate a CHEAP toy company. They killed Optimus Prime in the movies purely to sell more of his toys they had in the warehouse they put a blue coat of paint as Ultra Magnus toys. And they did this with nearly every other transformer as well, taking older transformer toys they didn't sell many of, and repainting them or putting a new face sticker on the window to call it a new transformer instead of designing a new toy from scratch for new transformer characters.

[@Alicehastur]

@@danieldishon688 that's actually not true, but go off i guess

[@JT5555]

Fun fact: G.I. Joe was a glorified american military commercial (that is to say,the american military was not very popular not long before G.I. Joe came along so the toy line was created as almost propaganda for the military to get people to think of them as the good guys again. The tv series then came to,of course sell the toys).

[@Lalo3g1]

@@danieldishon688 cheap toy? Try greatest toy of all time right next to Lego. What said isn't entirely true and they did make up for the bits that you are right about.

[@KnightRaymund]

I can't believe Beyblade is still going.... "where the heroes are children, which isn't new for Gundam, but these kids are happy so that's different" - lol

[@MariOmor1]

Isn't that basically Pokemon right now as well

[@enricomassignani]

Hiroto from Build Divers ReRise: "Allow me to introduce myself"

[@x105w5]

0:11 I was already watching this video on fire, you said ALEXA OPEN KZbin and then it rebooted me out of your video...........FANTASTIC

[@anthonyheman4621]

Same.

[@Avoncarstien]

beyond perfect...you'd think it'd have projected canceling by now, but I guess not :p

[@ActionGamerAaron]

He hearted your comment. I think he did it on purpose.

[@vladtepes2667]

Technology is such a wonderful thing

[@Blurns]

That reminds me, I need to get back to working on a song that includes the lyrics "Alexa, call the police!"

[@Hatchmatic]

"An anime where the heroes are children, which isn't *new* for Gundam, but these kids are happy, so that's different." Oof.

[@DadPaintsMinis68]

zeta Gundamn ending. childhood trauma

[@ScamboliReviews]

Trading Pokémon cards during lunch taught today's drug dealers how to make deals. Digimon could never.

[@lavie5104]

Everything gucci until you get your charizard stolen

[@mechasatsu6214]

Did you just described my late grade school days??? How???

[@organizedopinions8068]

Bro I used to sell Pokemon and Yugioh cards. I had a deal with the chinese knockoff store on my block that they'd sell only to me (I'd buy a legendary unit the book with only legendary cards for 29.99 every day) and I'd sell it to other middle schoolers each legendary for 20+ once sold an Obilisk the Tormentor for 150$ and a Three Headed blue eyes white dragon dor 100$. I made so much money and spent it all on video games I had like 300 games for my 360 and 100 for my ps3. I was legit a card dealer lol.

[@ScamboliReviews]

@@organizedopinions8068 I rest my case.

[@notsusoranythingbut3822]

Digimon showed us how to kill people... Pokemon didn't

[@ToaVentron]

“Bakugan is a rip-off of beyblade” First off how dare you.

[@OtakuUnderground92]

He ain’t wrong though lol

[@khulmach9662]

@@OtakuUnderground92 One is a ball that turns into monsters and you fight with cards to power up and change the field The other are spinning tops with spirits in them when drawn out become creatures that fight it out on top of spinning top.

[@zelectrode3337]

They're not even close...

[@skipable8595]

@@OtakuUnderground92 what is simular about the two.

[@brandondavidson4085]

Let it rip (off).

[@HurricaneDDragon]

If you were to ask me when I was a kid “Would you rather live in the world of Pokémon or be a DigiDestined?” I would’ve had a legit existential crisis.

[@razkable]

back in 2001 i would of said yugioh as a world to live in over pokemon and digimon...now would it be Naruto or one piece..simple..dragonball….im pretty smart...

[@HurricaneDDragon]

Asmosis Jones Yeah, now it would One Piece for me, hands down.

[@greyhawk175]

You two are crazy and are going to die. I'll be smart and pick something fun and safe.

[@Victory619]

It's like asking: "You want a possibly pacific life, or to have actual character development?"

[@rasmusstenhjkoustrup5345]

I'd choose to live in the world of Yu-Gi-Oh!

[@gravityhero2227]

Somebody besides me remembers Dinosaur King!

[@GravityI]

A lot of people in Brazil grew with that show, so it's kinda known between my friends

[@TheDragonfriday]

Silent Protagonist it was on 4kids... good times

[@dantemustdie00]

Anyone who watched 4kids back in the day know what that show is.

[@withercat]

ITS YOUR DESTINY YEAH

[@KnownAsKenji]

I remember it but only because it came just a year or two after an extremely similar show called Dinozaurs. Dinozaurs isn't as often remembered for some reason.

[@leafbladie]

"Sekirei is a harem parody of Pokémon" Truer words have never been spoken.

[@justinthejust1732]

Yes, but don't forget the girls get "captured" when they kiss the guy and get a temp power boost from kissing him afterwards. At least they were just aliens instead of pets and literally gods of creation in animal/monstrous form.

[@FreakGeSt]

Is like the inspiration for Xenoblade Chronicles 2 for the blades

[@unversedhero6028]

Gotta catch 'em all.

[@koro_kokoro]

It’s Pokémon, but with boobs

[@ligtningdog6399]

I always called Sekirei "pokemon with boobs" and I love it for that.

[@cloudkitsune17]

Personally, the use of "Pokemon clone" still has its negative connotations to this day. Yo-Kai Watch was hit by the same negativity via vocal Pokemon fans that happened back in the Digimon rivalry era and it was pretty ugly both times. Calling it a "Pokemon inspired game" has a lot less cruel meaning behind it, as a clone is taken as just a knock-off or rip-off. And yes, there ARE games out there that completely ripped off Pokemon, but Digimon--until Digimon World 3--didn't do that. Pokemon was and still is a game that has you collecting as many monsters as you please, but with only six possible to take on your team. Digimon, originally, only had you with ONE monster, to raise and battle with, via Tamagotchi themes. That one, single monster would become something bigger, before reverting down to something new(or the same mon), whether it was naturally by age or a sudden death. Monster Rancher has more in-common with Digimon then Pokemon. Yo-Kai Watch has more in-common with Shin Megami Tensei and Dragon Quest Joker then Pokemon, however, I can definitely see more similarities between Yo-Kai Watch with Pokemon. You should also not forget Pokemon has taken similar themes from its rival series. Mega evolution was totally a Digimon inspired aspect, Pokemon Amie was Tamagotchi, and the recent Sun/Moon series borrowed HEAVILY from Yo-Kai Watch with its more rounded style and quirky jokes--and the gems that unleash special powers is totally Soultimates from Yo-Kai Watch. I will admit I never gave a lot of the marketable anime to be that close to Pokemon... Digimon and Pokemon felt more like fantasy shows where you couldn't obtain these creatures in the same way as, say Transformers or YuGiOh, or even Beyblade, 'cause they had tangible toys that work the way they do in the anime--just smaller in size and no fantasy aspects involved. A Transformer toy can transform, a beyblade can spin and battle with other tops, and all card game anime were pretty obvious. Still, marketing was marketing, so I understand trying to tell a good story to sell a product was definitely helped with Pokemon's huge Pokemania craze back in the day. Too bad some of them were such good stories, I missed out on the fact they had a game tie-in. (I tended to fall out of the loop with new games as a kid, hurf)

[@cloudkitsune17]

@Manannan anam The only thing they really have in common would be falling under the "collecting" game genre. For Digimon, you really just collect data to get new digimon or try to mix around with the stats to get new evolutionary trees unlocked. Medabots, was more about parts of the bots then anything. And YuGiOh, getting more cards to use for your deck hand. Still, I don't see that much else that ties them together. (Yo-Kai Watch and Digimon 1-4 have more in common, with their setting in the "real world" with kids befriending creatures that can communicate. Plus alteration in color schemes for the same monster making it a completely new creature. But, one is digital and the other are ghosts/demons.)

[@zebimicio5204]

Disagreed on the Mega evolution stuff. If anything temporary evolutions/power ups was a very common trope in tokusatsu and super sentai series than anything.

[@isytha5324]

Exactly, and the yokai watch series has nothing to do with Pokemon. Its completely different if anyone played it.

[@xuanluu4873]

@@isytha5324 wonder if the vocal pokemon fans just call yo kai watch a pokemon rip-off because of yo-kai watch actually doing a lot of stuff arguably better than pokemon, so those vocal pokefans keep calling yo-kai watch a “pokemon rip-off” so they won’t see the flaws of pokemon

[@isytha5324]

@@xuanluu4873 Exactly, the yokai watch series actually has a storyline, as well as a variety of different yokai rather than Pokemon where each Pokemon can be summed up by the name of their type.

[@anthonynorman7545]

I'm not convinced that digimon or Yugioh are clones. Following genres and trends doesn't inherently mean cloning. And your conclusion about the biggest impact being a marketing formula highlights how these properties aren't clones. Following your logic innovation and variation are irrelevant to the concept of cloning, so almost everything is a clone and strips the meaning.

[@rovvy221]

exactly, he can say the whole 'smart' gadgets is also pokemon clone because it is market driven and there is a demand for them.

[@GuardianDarkAngel]

Pretty much this.

[@captainbanjaxavalanche4313]

Exactly and it's games in the monster battling/raising genre that always seem to fall under such scrutiny, as if such a thing doesn't truly exist as it's own genre and draws in the inevitable comparisons to Pokemon without fail. Every other game genre is recognized as having a few shared themes, and not criticized for doing so. I have at least come across five "Pokemon clone" videos in the past few years without even looking for them. It's a bit ridiculous.

[@notimportant493]

Yugioh is technicaly older than pokemon soooooo

[@sickid41]

Ya yugioh is not a clone but digimon was a clone.

[@nedmaster1000]

Anime wise I think Digimon beat any and all other monster shows of this type. For god sake, Tamers for being a show about kids who play card games and tamagachi is on a level of quality far beyond any right it had. Thanks Bandai for having Digimon be written by the Lain guys for a season.

[@In-The-Zone]

And despite starting as a soulless cash grab, Beyblade gave us one of the best tournament arcs for "sports" anime in G Revolution.

[@pedroscoponi4905]

I was about to comment "Even the worst Digimon season was still pretty decent" , but then I remember I hate the 2nd and 3rd seasons of Xros Wars with a burning passion

[@captainmega6310]

Yeah, but Pokemon still has games and trading cards under them.

[@Izkata]

I think all of Xros Wars is still better than this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digimon_Universe:_App_Monsters

[@Jamsalt]

@@IzkataX wars was win I lost interest. I never gave it a chance.

[@DarkZholt]

Shin Megami Tensei had an anime back then? Oh boy, it would be hillarious to see how people would react to it around here since they were burning Pokémon and Yu-gi-oh cards already because they were tools of the devil.

[@TheRawyan]

Ikr lmao

[@TheRawyan]

@Marcus Mysteriously the first game came out in 87 and I think that was based on a book from 86

[@vxicepickxv]

@Cassius Zedaker I know what I'm doing after this video.

[@tyronechillifoot5573]

The whole clone thing comes with a negative connotation which it shouldn't something as big as pokemon should have others taking the formula building off of it adding something new to it

[@chrishubbard64]

Yeah its like calling every fantasy novel a tolkien clone. They may share aspects but that doesnt make the new product bad. Except for dennis mckeirnan, &*^%$ that thief.

[@wingedmirage4226]

I think it needs to stop being called "Pokémon clones" and instead called something like the friend monster genre. Calling something a clone automatically suggests that it's not as good or creative.

[@thedigitaldummy3098]

If it actually tries to build off Pokémon’s mechanics it shouldn’t count.

[@LegendLeaguer]

Winged Mirage If the Mewtwo movie taught us anything it's that clones are not weaker than what they were cloned from

[@PetrSojnek]

It's definitely controversial. And that's why "Pokemon clones" will bring you many more clicks than "Pokemon inspired games" :)

[@mischitary]

This might be completely my imagination, but I recall reading an interview with Kazuki Takahashi where he said that his original concept for Yu-Gi-Oh! was "a battle manga using games" and the reason he started focusing on the card game he introduced was because it was easier than having to think up new games over and over again. I think it was in one of the old american Shonen Jump issues from like 16 years ago.

[@Aldini_to]

it was because of editorial advice and the huge amount of fans asking about the card game.

[@Seththeprince]

KaleidWinter it was also a horror manga

[@kemix1006]

Oh good, someone knew Shin Megami Tensei was pretty much Pokemon before Pokemon was Pokemon!

[@dragonmaster613]

Yeah, but if it wasn't for Pokemon, I wouldn't have heard of SMT! This sh*t got me into collecting/customization of critters!

[@iamgod2063]

pokemon is SUPER occult and they got that whole style from shin megami tensei

[@thomasffrench3639]

Also Dragon Quest V, which has aged much better

[@internetual7350]

Pokémon but the Evangelicals had a point...

[@josearellano4034]

@@dragonmaster613 that’s true. I’m a big pokemon nerd but thanks to that now i’m a big fan of the SMT series especially the fourth entry in 3DS actually i can say that maybe SMT is my favorite video game series

[@saifors]

Okay I'm gonna try and stop some misinformation in this comment section about how Digimon was purely made of a Pokemon knock off. First of all, Digimon was devised after the release of the Tamagotchi when Bandai noticed that it seemed to appeal to girls but not so much to boys so they made Digimon as a sort of spin off, so they most likely started work on it not longa after, at the very least we know it was pretty far into development (some comments in the past from people worked on it suggest it might have had a bit of development hell or delays). We know this because Pokemons release and boom in popularity gets indirectly mentioned inside of the digimon artbook "Digimon 20th Anniversary, Digital Monster Art Book Ver. 1~5 & 20th" specifically in a part with older designs which have similarities in design styles to Pokemon in the text its mentioned that all of them were scrapped and character design was started pretty much from scratch because "a different franchise with similarities" came into popularity and they wanted to avoid a possible lawsuit. So yeah tldr Digimon cant be a pokemon rip off because dates dont align

[@elliscor001]

i think he was talking about the shows, season one of adventure was pretty similar at first

[@TheKeven28900]

@KaleidWinter Not to mention that digimon doesn't even focus heavily on capturing monster. In the games it's all about raising them. You have to manage what they eat, how you train them in a gym and when I say gym I mean an actual gym for digimon, etc.Theoritcally speaking you can have a strong digimon who has yet to battle anything. In the animes and the games ,the digimons are not being held captive by their tamer. Instead the digimon choose their tamer.

[@DataumCats]

The original concept isn't Everything that came afterwards, which makes up 99.99% of digimon material, marketing, books, movies, tv shows, collectables, CCG, toys and whatever else to have ever have existed? You can't possibly claim they weren't cribbing every possible note off Pokemon and keep a straight face. Bandai have said as much. hell, the way digimon and other franchises cribb off of pokemon's is a pretty standard marketing case study these days. bandai took a look at pokemon's success and went "holy crap, these people are making all the money off collectable monsters. Wait, we have are our collectable monsters, why can't we be making all the money off collectable monsters" and proceeded to try and duplicate pokemon level success by using the formula pokemon stumbled face first into, and after the original digimon toys came out, every single thing they did followed that formula to a tee. Whether or not someone feel they did something different or more interesting with that formula, isn't relevant. A working formula gets cribbed off all the time. Wagon Train shows were popular and star trek is just that but *in spppppaaaace*. Star wars is what happens if Flash Gordon reads " The Hero with a Thousand Faces" and gets handed space samurai sword. The entirely of the 80s saturday morning cartoons is bascily "that smurf show, but ponies/snorks/gummibears/etc" The entirety of the disney channel and nickelodeon is basically "Lizzie McGuire but..." Digimon did a lot of things different with the same formula and building on similar themes. Which is part of the reason why people still remember digimon as opposed to some of the rip offs. But it wasn't a successful franchise because it was "tamigotchis for boys". Tamagotchis had just about crattered out of existence by 2000. If that's all they did with it digimon would have cratered out with it. Digimon got popular because the franchise was so very much exploiting the Pokemon formula for everything it was worth. And given that what it was worth turned out to be "6 billion dollars and counting", they'd have been stupid not to.

[@GaomonAndLucario]

@@DataumCats "Digimon got popular because the franchise was so very much exploiting the Pokemon formula for everything it was worth." Mind explaining what you mean there bud..? Because I'm not seeing the full picture with this sentence, as while yes, Digimon had to get some Pokemon stuff in it to survive, but it didn't exploit it fully for its own gain.

[@thewizardninja]

@0n3m4n4rmy Digimon DOESN'T follow Pokemon's formula though. Where are you seeing the parallels? If you're purely talking about how their toys were marketed then I can see your point, but the original Tamagotchi based toys were raising sims rather than RPGs and the World games were dungeon crawlers more similar to SMT than Pokemon. Their anime couldn't be more different either - one's set in a fantasy world where the main hero goes on a coming-of-age journey with the purpose of improving themselves and meets friends and companions along the way, the other is an isekai where a group of people are lost in a world they don't understand and are trying to find a way back home and, apart from their partners that they meet almost immediately, almost everyone they meet on the way is an enemy. So I really don't know what "formula" you're talking about.

[@sakaki_chrono]

Good video. But, a more accurate title would have been "Pokemon's influence on Medias similar to it" imo. By calling it "A Brief History on Pokemon Clones", it sounds more like a bad thing/infers that it's a straight up copy of it.

[@Aldini_to]

the bait worked though

[@cloudkitsune17]

@@Aldini_to It actually made me want to avoid this video all together...

[@swordkingx4874]

Same. None of these series were clones. They were influenced by it but that's it. Yugioh's anime is nothing like pokemon's.

[@BiggestDave]

You're here and you watched it, so it worked as a thumbnail like it was supposed to

[@cloudkitsune17]

@@BiggestDave It was more of a "maybe it won't be as bad as the title is labeled" as its supposedly a History segment and not some bashing video on the "clone" subject. I've also watched a handful of other of his videos, which have been mostly hits for me, with a few misses. So it wasn't the thumbnail or title card that drew me in, but my history with the creator of the video. Had it been some complete unknown, I would of kept FAR away from it at all cost.

[@hajimeultimateorangejuice5923]

*Sees Yugioh on the thumbnail of this video* Me: Excuse me, but, what the heck?

[@DankHunt420]

Are you agreeing or disagreeing with him

[@Blizz3112]

Digimon = clearly inspired by Tamagotchi, Yugioh = Made before Pokémon... can we stop calling things Pokémon clones, please...

[@duwangchew9902]

You've gotta look past the surface level comparison here. The point being made in the video is that both Yugioh and Digimon had HUGE parts of their franchises inspired and shaped by the formula that Pokemon popularized. While it's true that both existed before Pokemon proper, you can not tell me that the Digimon anime was built off the premise of that initial Tamagotchi-esque product and not its contemporaries. It's also highly unlikely that Yugioh as a series would have become what it is today if it didn't change to be centered around its highly marketable trading card game. As Geoff said in the video, its not the original concept or even the first version of Yugioh and Digimon that borrowed from Pokemon's formula, but its what they became that does. Also as a side note, neither series came out that much earlier than Pokemon.

[@Samm815]

@@duwangchew9902 True, but calling it a clone is deeply shallow and incredibly disrespectful to the people who poured hours of work into something they wanted to sell.

[@TheAntiSanta]

If they wanted to not have their work called a knock-off of something, they would never had made anything to begin with.

[@duwangchew9902]

@@Samm815 I disagree. Something can be a clone and still be a phenomenal product. Hell I'd say most of everything highlighted in this video are stellar for what they were trying to do. It only becomes insulting if you try and write something off for being a clone, rather than look at what it adds to the medium as a series.

[@LTDLetsPlays]

are you familiar with overwatch ''clones'' if you are its the same problem rabid fans will attack everything that resemblace something they play claim it as clone this shouldnt be supported instead people who claim that should be ostricised unless they have enough proof

[@theshadynorwegian6036]

A relatable protagonist. Ash catchem. Those two do not add up. That guy, may be relatable as in, "he's a kid and i was a kid", but even when i was 6 i had more strategic thoughts and better use of the type advantage system than Ash.

[@randxalthor]

Welcome to the giant demographic of people that enjoy watching shows that make them feel smarter than the main characters.

[@pandadogunited1504]

TheShadynorwegian electric doesn’t work on rock types pikachu shock him harder

[@renaxakai3]

I always hated Ash. Related much more to Misty, even though I have no siblings.

[@kakaaw228]

@@pandadogunited1504 Ground types not rock.

[@renaxakai3]

@@pandadogunited1504 "But, it's wet, so the electric will go through the ground type" Thinking like that hurts my brain.

[@EpicFableBean]

uhhhh Digimon and Yugioh are pretty different to be called a clone.

[@gabbyb7347]

You lost me at "Pokémon inspired rpgs".... Dude, Digimon World is NOTHING like any of the Pokémon games at all.

[@yokaiju8909]

Exactly! Even at a surface level, it's completely different. Pokemon= a turn based rpg with set evolution lines. Digimon world= a game where you take care of your creature, evolve them down unique paths and battle with a very original battle system.

[@poisonedyoyo]

When your Digimon dies it loses techniques it learns HELP, but Digimon World 3 was inspired by Pokemon. The first one wasn't, but 3 was.

[@gabbyb7347]

@@poisonedyoyo 3 was just an avarage jrpg, Pokémon didn't invent the genre

[@BaneDane_JB]

Both 2 and 3 got rid of those systems for a turn based combat system so uhhh, its pretty obvious where their influence went afterwords 1 was clearly more influenced by its origin as a Tomagachi clone, and was more the exception than the rule, given even the modern Digimon games mostly still do turn based, collect digimon [or digievolutions], combat.

[@ScottAndNumbers]

@@BaneDane_JB There influence went to a more traditional JRPG. You know... like Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest? Both of which predate Pokemon. So I guess Pokemon is a Final Fantasy clone? And just because the combat system changed to be more "normal" doesn't mean it was a Pokemon clone or took anything from Pokemon at all (although it probably took something because that is how all media works).

[@nbdevison]

Digimon is the best isekai anime

[@sarafontanini7051]

oh my god you're right and yes it really goddamn is

[@zisennn]

never lol

[@jdrmanmusiqking]

Sloppy video. Homie was reaching like Mr Fantastic with some of these. The most egregious was the Yugioh nonsense. It a fact the Yugioh was its own thing with various in-universe versions of established games. When they did their MTG inspired game the reception was so huge, they literally scrapped the entire premise and doubled down on copying magic. All this happened BEFORE pokemon existed. Bruh Pokemon TCG is a MTG clone. Youre giving pokemon way too much credit. Homie really called Gundam a pokemon clone GTFOH. You cant clone something that came after you. So what if after doing the same gundam show 80 times they decide to make a new gundam that *very* loosely resembles pokemon. Shit even if it was literally gundamized pokemon it still wouldnt be a clone since gundam has been doing its own thing since forever Honestly this video is significantly worst than the one calling digimon a pokemon clone

[@dylnish2791]

Not a bad video, but the only similarities between pokemon and franchises like Digimon, medabots, yugioh, and beyblade are how they are marketed. When you really look into each show as opposed to how they are marketed, it is ultimately unfair to make a comparison like this. If you compared each based solely on either their games, the content of their anime, or other products individually then that would be a much better and more accurate comparison. A comparison like you are doing in this video in a way devalues these other franchises by writing them off as "pokemon clones" instead of as "media franchises that are from the same genre and share some similarities with pokemon". That would be a more accurate description. However, that's just my opinion.

[@tristanneal9552]

Is something really a "clone" if it's just a game in the same genre? It's the same question with Rougelikes and Metroidvanias - these games are similar to their namesakes because they fall into the same genre, but they're not rip offs. They're only compared so heavily because those games did it first. Just like we've changed the name from "Doom clones" to "First Person Shooters", I think it's time we stop calling them "Pokémon clones" and start calling them something like "Monster Collectors" or "Monster Collector RPGs".

[@sarafontanini7051]

it is if it maakes for a good buzzword to throw around and not-so-subtly mply that they are not s good as original due to being a not-aactually copy

[@thomasffrench3639]

There’s a fine line between a subgenre and clones. Like Slasher movies being Halloween and Friday the 13th clones.

[@Yasahiro1011]

Mother's Basement, I know that you said that you believe that Digimon is widely recognized and got over the stigma of being knock off of Pokemon... But look at the comment section and you will see that this stigma REMAINS. This is also why this title of video might have sparked anger

[@ScottAndNumbers]

Although some of the comments do seem to be following that horrible stigma of "DON'T YOU SHAME A SERIES I LOVE" or "Ya, screw you Digimon fanboys", I'd say a lot of the comments are more pointing out the fact he is just giving blatantly false information to claim Pokemon is a better franchise/series than all the others. Many of the franchises he points to as being Pokemon clones really took nothing from Pokemon at all and are more just following the trends that were simply happening at the time. People seem to forget how new the video game media is and even in the late '90s, video games were still finding new ways to take real world concepts that have been around for decades, if not longer, and put them into video game form. And in relation to Digimon, it really didn't take anything from Pokemon. The anime was entirely different, the games were not really mimicing them, and as for things like marketing toys and cards to kids, Pokemon did not do that first at all. He points out Gundam, but you also had the Power Rangers, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, G.I.Joe, Super-Human Samurai Syber Squad (which just got the anime reference adaptation of SSSS Gridman), and others in the '80s, early '90s, and possibly earlier.

[@thedothackerkeyblademaster]

+1 to both of you.

[@steampunk1610]

I prefered Digimon over pokemon in my childhood

[@sheriffaboubakar9720]

Steam Punk Digimon is actually good?

[@tyronechillifoot5573]

I always liked both but to be honest i wasn't that interested in the pokemon anime til the battle frontier and sinnoh league

[@ericrohe8421]

For me it was beyblade metalfusion. Back then i was a weeb without even knowing it.

[@tyronechillifoot5573]

@@ericrohe8421 i also watched metal fusion

[@culturezoneculturezone9071]

Same, I couldn't stand fucker Ash!

[@truegreen7]

I mean... it really do be like that sometimes.

[@deviousj5868]

It do.

[@AlcorSolaire]

It be do

[@eternaleevee9322]

Your one of my favorite poketubers

[@isytha5324]

Not really.

[@frozennoodles1728]

Nope

[@SunshineCasy]

"Monster-collecting genre". That's it, that's actually the term, instead of "Pokemon clone". The thing is, even the franchises that were marketed in Pokemon's shadow weren't necessarily CREATED with Pokemon in mind. They were separate, sometimes unique creations in an existing genre given the greenlight and licenses because Pokemon made that genre popular, and then tailored to fit marketing purposes. Calling them clones glosses over that.

[@Blueline3691]

You're really huffing that copium for a bunch of Pokemon clones that don't come close to it.

[@Painocus]

@@Blueline3691 You're really huffing that copium for a Megami Tensei clone that don't come close to it.

[@amogus694]

isn't Yu-Gi-Oh TCG more successful than Pokemon TCG?

[@skipable8595]

Also people play the yugioh card game instead of just collecting them. I think that tells how fun the tcg is.

[@thaismagalhaes5928]

By far.

[@blyzer7373]

Oof... this did not age well

[@micheal5973]

Eh most of these aren’t really clones. Digimon came out first and was originally the tamagachi. Monster rancher was one of the first isekai. Medabots..... how is fighting robots a knockoff?

[@valdish9620]

I get the feeling proper research was not done for this video.

[@RayOfTruth]

Pokemon Red & Green released in 1996. The original Digimon V-Pets were 1997.

[@valdish9620]

@@RayOfTruth and the first megami tensei game was made in 1987 so that was the first pet monster rpg game, and pokemon is just as much a clone of that as digimon is a clone of pokemon. By that I mean not at all.

[@RayOfTruth]

@@valdish9620 he literally spends several minutes talking about MegaTen in the video.

[@valdish9620]

@@RayOfTruth I know.

[@GhostEmblem]

It seems like you're claiming everything that uses child protagonists to sell collectable toys is a pokemon clone. Some of your choices I agree with but others are really stretching the definition.

[@nint8441]

Not really

[@kisam0886]

that is exactly what hes doing hes say that this model (apparently first started by pokemon which is false in it of its self pokemon was just able to perfect it because of there marketing tactics) is a pokemon clone which would be false that just means they are copying a business tactic and whats wrong with hat nothing make character appealing check put something in i can sell to kids check market it well and give it an ongoing anime so people stay interested check this video should be tilted how "pokemon perfected a great marking tactic that other company's used"

[@blakchristianbale]

kisam08 he didn't say there was anything wrong with it

[@balrogdahomie]

There’s a difference between a “ripoff” and something being inspired by something else. To me, “ripoff” is a statement of quality, that it imitates something poorly.

[@HaHaHaHolowence]

Good comment.

[@danielramsey6141]

Which goes to show you that much of the stuff brought up in this video shows you How SUCCESSFUL each of these Concepts are!

[@razkable]

to me duel masters is a ripoff of duel monsters..im sorry and I enjoy both but gotta call it out..its literally the same series...

[@MinkSignal]

@@razkable except rothas the traveller was dope as fuck.

[@theshadynorwegian6036]

And clearly, the best garbage toy is bakugan. Still have a huge drawer full of them to prove it

[@blizzyyt2281]

TheShadynorwegian honestly the tv show was actually pretty good (at least the first season)

[@27Bayleefs]

Man Bakugan may not have been as good, but I legit enjoyed the show, up until say season 3.

[@vampireraef]

So was 19 when those came out, and I despise them. My first apartment the neighbors had 2 boys and in the middle of the night you would suddenly hear this weird sound followed by a thud. Turns out they were rolling the damn things against the attaching wall.

[@theshadynorwegian6036]

Yeah, i started rewatching bakugan a short while ago, and it was enjoyable. My only complaint is that the show keeps emphasizing that "it's a game of strategy" when the strategy never ever gets more advanced than that one time in season 1 where an enemy bakugan swaps battle power. In every other match it's just "who has more g power" and they call it strategy

[@mistwolf]

There is a new version releasing now, just fyi. My daughter loves them as toys (though could care less about the story) and is eager for them to hit Australia, since she has most of the original ones.

[@Matthew_Murray]

Here is my issue with the concept of “Pokémon Clones”, You bring up shows like Yugioh because they have cards and Pokémon has a card game so it’s a clone. You didn’t define what actual makes a Pokémon Clone. It be like if we referred to every shonen anime as a DBZ clone.

[@greyhawk175]

More like all anime with fighting a dbz clone, and saying the ones that came before it don't count because of reasons.

[@bibalyboop3010]

yes. exactly. this.

[@mr.preston1632]

Yeah its beyond annoying, they arent clones, if they were, they would be those trash mobile apps that have those pokémon assets

[@drearydoll6305]

Up to this day, I think its a shame the pokemon aventure manga isn't what we got instead of being forced to watch that immortal 10 years old kid never win the league.

[@RayOfTruth]

The Pokemon Adventures manga is such a good adaptation. Pokemon Origins is also pretty good, but not as great.

[@mr.preston1632]

Just remove the, weird moments, and its basically perfect

[@leafbladie]

Alright, but YuGiOh was made in 1996, so how is it a Pokémon clone?

[@iota-09]

I can't get even see how it's a clone to be honest...

[@leafbladie]

Alright, so you're talking about the TCG, but the thing is that's really only the marketing side. The work itself really has very little to with Pokémon.

[@gunvolt5246]

@@leafbladie Sorry for deleting my comment. The duel monsters aspect in the manga was a magic parody iirc. I agree that that it has nothing to do with Pokemon.

[@tyronehasanopiniondealwith3703]

Shill basement at it again

[@goldlink567]

It's not a Pokemon "clone" but the one that aired in the US did take many things from Pokemon not only the TCG, one could argue that the filler arc Noah's arc in the third season was inspired by Digimon, I don't think it's a clone either but they are similar, at least Yugioh has the better card game more popular or not.

[@kestrel7705]

"Occasionally interrupted by supernatural nonsense" is my new favorite description of these anime.

[@thehopeofeden597]

*Me: sees digimon on thumbnail and tries not to get mad because even though I trust and love most of MB's content, it brings back memories of being bullied for liking Digimon better in elementary school, and being the only person who appreciated the character complexity and dark elements of Digimon Tamers* *Me:* *Me:* this oughta be fun.

[@WaterKirby1994]

I always found Tamers more lighthearted than Season 1, Frontier, & Data Squad. Just with much more dark stuff underneath the surface, I guess you could say it's similar to Kirby in nature. The threats faced in Tamers were more personal allowing for more depth than the standard Good & Evil, with a more eldritch yet manmade final enemy. The main antagonists of Tamers weren't really full out villains being very human in personality except for D'Reaper which was merely a weapon that went bezerk. I see Season 1 as darker because of villains like Myotismon most notably who were pure evil incarnate & Seasons 4 & Savers there was a lot more loss throughout them. Most battles were just defeat after defeat & lets not forget that Kurata a human villain put a bomb around the neck of a young girl in need of surgery.

[@thecartographerrosas3486]

WANT TO BE THE BIGGEST DREAMER?!

[@razkable]

I actually think the digimon games are a lot funner but pokemon is simple and not as focused on the complexity as it is simple enough for anyone of any age to understand and to appeal to the youngest and dumbest of kids to understand and want to play..you show a 8 year old in America the dark digimon games and then a simple pokemon sun and moon game and they go pokemon 9/10..guranteed....I guess digimon is too edgy and sad to gain a fanbase while pokemons generic nature is all it needs to stay relevant

[@melissamurray8307]

@@WaterKirby1994Not to mention that both Devimon and Myotismon almost straight out killed both TK and Kari because of some prophecy, who were both eight at that time.

[@phoenixking62]

So I'm only seven and a half minutes in so far, so this may be irrelevant by the end, but there is one thing that you have critically neglected was addressing 2 important aspects. The first is a matter of definition. In order to have meaningful discourse or understanding of a topic, each side must know exactly (or at least as close as possible) what the other side means when they talk about different topics. In this video, you have so far failed to establish an important point: what do you define as a "clone"? There are a number of questions you could use to answer that. Does it just have to have the same mechanics? If so which mechanics? Any? All? If "any", does that include grid based movement? Is it a matter of aesthetics? What mechanics or aspects specifically need to be copied to be a clone? Does it have to be popular to be cloned from? Is it a matter of inspirations? If so, how much? Is it possible to tell how much something was inspired by something else? All of these are important questions to answer for the audience to be on the same page when talking about these topics so we have a full understanding of where you are coming from and a fair chance to propose counter arguments, something which is very important in critical discourse. The second is the question of genre. At what point does a clone / knock off become a genre in and of itself? When did "DOOM clones" become shooters? When did "Diablo clones" become ARPG's? When did "Street Fighter clones" become what we now call "fighting games"? These may be addressed later, but I think it is important to address them earlier rather then later so we can have this fore-knowledge when hearing your points. But that's just my opinion. If you have a reason as to why you think these are unnecessary or excessive, I would love to hear it.

[@anthonynorman7545]

You're right. It wasn't. I agree with all criticism.

[@eluukkanen]

phoenixking62 Best comment of the day, needs more likes!

[@HalfDemonInuyasha]

Funny thing is, if you go by a very general "clone" tag, Pokemon itself is a "clone" of things like Ultra Seven (a Japanese TV show from the 1960s that utilized the "monster allies from capsules" concept that Pokemon's creator was a fan of and said was what heavily inspired Pokemon), Shin Megami Tensei, Dragon Quest, Monster In My Pocket, and other games / toys from the 60s, 70s, 80s, and earlier 90s that used one or more concepts that Pokemon uses.

[@DedicatedbytheDead]

You go tell em 💯💯

[@VersusThem]

"These may be addressed later", nope. "Defining" them as clones is probably a baiting strategy to create fuzz, clicks and comments, it's more like a broad and semi-controversial word for marketing purposes. The point of the video could be resumed with "Franchises that took inspiration from Pokemon" (to the point they wouldn't be what they are if not due to Pokemon's explosive popularity), but, yeah, not quite appealing, huh

[@sabreleo4030]

If we're talking games, Yu-Gi-Oh! is definitely not a clone.

[@skipable8595]

Even as a card game.

[@mysteryperson1958]

it follows a similar formula to pokemon though with some dark story concepts with murder, conspiracy, cults, body horror, mind control, interdimensional warfare, cyber terrorism, mindfuckery and yubel (yes yubel is seperate)

[@alejandrorivas4585]

Its not so much a clone, but they definitely got the idea from them. Pokemon TCG was a collab between Wizards (the magic the gathering guys) and nintendo. Seing both games success, Konami printed what is today the no.2 most popular tcg of all time

[@teach6882]

@@alejandrorivas4585 actually, after duel monsters was very successfull in the original yugioh, there were thousands of letters asking about the game, how they can play it, etc. and due to this large amount of fan request the series was rebooted with the focus on duel monsters. This is why season 1 of yugioh makes no freaking sense because they had no real rules yet and only later added them

[@underpressure1954]

@@alejandrorivas4585 It's no.1.

[@nuke2099]

MTG was a TCG before Pokemon was and Yugioh is not a Pokemon clone.... Also weird that you left out Duel Masters as well even though it too isn't a Pokemon clone.

[@craftergamer9058]

Nuke2099 Agreed this is a very poorly made video I don’t see how yugioh is a “Pokémon rip-off”

[@danieldishon688]

Yugioh noticeably changed its manga formula in real time to be more like pokemon. It's not as on the nose a pokemon clone, since it's doesn't copy much from it and remains focused on it's more unique elements of its own franchise, but it's still a fair inclusion in a timeline of anime that that probably wouldn't exist like they do without pokemon proving their viability first.

[@skipable8595]

@@danieldishon688 i feel like people that call it a clone with no proof except for the fact that there's monsters and cards, so I have to explain to them the anime. Sadly only one listened.

[@ekahn]

@@danieldishon688 The reason Yu-Gi-Oh! became about the card game it introduced as a stand-in for MTG was due to reader response; it had nothing to do with pokemon. The manga covered a variety of one-off games, most of which resembled something real. So, when the manga made something like Magic the Gathering (getting popular in japan at the time, IIRC) but where the monsters popped out of the cards and you could see them kill one another, the reader response was so strong that he and his editors jointly decided to bring it back for the climax of the manga's first arc, which again proved so successful that they decided to make the series revolve around it entirely. It was essentially an unlicensed MTG manga, which, of course, far predates Pokemon, and the natural result of a super-popular manga about tabletop games coming out when MTG was on the rise. I think it's also notable that Kaiba's pretty clearly a Vegeta rip, not a Gary expy (who he's basically nothing like other than that they're both assholes).

[@aka_hisoka]

^ Exactly this.

[@H4rdlex]

So by that logic that means Fate is also a Pokemon clone, but instead of magical pets or toys they have historical figures as waifus. Now realistically speaking, we are only taking the Pokemon perspective as our only point on view when we should also take the way these franchises are handled, Digimon was never mean to compete with Pokemon, and you can clearly tell that by the way how both franchises are handled in such different ways, both franchises were born vry closely and went in very different approaches in both Videogames and Anime series. in fact Digimon didn't had collectable RPGs games until much later, Yugioh also doesn't feel like it should be called a clone. it's actually a bit insulting considering it had it's own narrative and story based around different dark games already, the card game just became big enough later on thanks to bandai and later konami push on it's popularity and made the anime a huge commercial while still sticking to the original story. Also Pokemon should still be considered a SMT clone since the main focus is the demon collectable feature that still is the biggest feature on most of the games in the franchise, not denying the shallow attempt at aiming younger demographics with Demikids, but still it was the original creator of the monster collectable genre even if not in the same mainstream way as Pokemon.

[@sarafontanini7051]

not to mention Geoff fails to mention how the 'party' is pretty entirely mde up of the player and his demons, with any human characters being guest party members who join temporarily.

[@poisonedyoyo]

There's a game where I can date Catherine Earnshaw, Blanche Ingram, Lydia Bennett, Rosalind Connage, Dora Spenlow? Why has no one told me about this???

[@WaterKirby1994]

I actually mentioned on another comment that One Piece is just as much of a Pokemon clone as Digimon. Think about it a Never Ending Journey they share in common. The manga for OP started after Pokemon's Anime had been around several months.

[@ReshiLuna]

I remember fate. (If you are talking about the MMORPG from wildtangent at least)

[@RyuseiiTheCrimsonKing]

We all know Pokemon is a Shin Megami Tensei clone.

[@anastasiastellar2658]

Digimon actually closer to SMT than Pokemon

[@kihro]

Definitely

[@anastasiastellar2658]

@@kihro I forgot which Digimon game, you know, the one that has Devil Survivor 2 fibe

[@kihro]

@@anastasiastellar2658 you mean digimon world 3 maybe.

[@anastasiastellar2658]

@@kihro Probably The characters looks like Hibiki and Yamato (the demon slayer team leader in Devil Survivor 2)

[@eevee2Glacia]

Tbh I think some clones can push Pokémon to improve itself. Just with Yokai watch’s release and success followed a complete change in Pokémon’s formula (ex; Sun and Moon) maybe the game had been in development for a while but it really felt different from the usual formula most games were taking at the time. (Which is not to say the story was bad from game to game just that Sun and Moon set itself apart). So clones that end up becoming competitors can really push the company to improve upon Pokemon itself

[@eevee2Glacia]

@Hyun Dong Lee competition is competition, trust me

[@lillith7257]

Yokai isnt a clone. Inspired =/= clone. I shouldn't even have to say that. Clones have to be inseparable from the original. It has to be something with more than just basic inspired aspects from the original. It HAS to be far closer to the original to be a clone. Like a blatant rip off. Oh wait Thats what a clone is. A blatant rip off...

[@eevee2Glacia]

@@lillith7257 I think you're at the wrong video then my dude! Clearly this vid is exactly taking that definition of inspired- which I know it is, and I was applying it here as well with the context of that video. If you wanna get mad at anyone, get mad at this video.

[@lillith7257]

@@eevee2Glacia i am mad at the video. Its clearly wrong. Lol

[@eevee2Glacia]

@@lillith7257 ok! I don't actually care, and genuinely, have a nice day.

[@JackOfen]

But Yugioh was created the same year as the first Pokemon game came out in Japan. And Digimon came before Pokemon. Also Pokemon itself is just a Dragon Quest 5 or Megami Tensei clone

[@infernalpear5332]

You're correct about Yu-Gi-Oh but pokemon did come out before Digimon came out after pokemon...

[@craftergamer9058]

JackOfen I think he’s putting any card game that has an anime on here

[@skipable8595]

@@infernalpear5332 also they were basing it on tamagaties.

[@mysteryperson1958]

yes but the card game was years after the franchises creation the manga was a slice of life with some horror elements originally

[@mysteryperson1958]

@arbereshe ?

[@PotKun]

Digimon =/= Pokemon clone in the slightest. Games and anime are entirely different. Hell if anything Pokemon ripped off Digimon with the whole mega evolutions plus the whole Ash-greninja bs considering Digimon did this in 2003. This video is basically a bunch of misinformation and terrible connections. Pokemon had a card game on hand-held before Yu-Gi-Oh therefore it's a clone? I guess Pokemon copied Magic since it was a card game first. Again Digimon and Pokemon are far different and the timeline of releases doesn't add up... Soooo yeah. Clickbait title and thumbnail.

[@Aldini_to]

mentions SMT and DQV as the originators of the genre because it would be too much of a stretch ... mentions yugioh as a clone (the tcg and anime...wut??)

[@zebimicio5204]

He talks about the concept. YuGiOh became more about "fighting monsters" than actualy card mechanics during the pokemon hype.

[@ekahn]

Yeah, but the similarities are way stronger between pokemon and the games it copies than between pokemon and yugioh. For example, he says SMT is more like a generic RPG because the protagonist can fight and level, but in actuality, your protagonist is a liability, as if he dies it's game over whereas any number of your demons can die, and the player is generally frailer than their demons. A way to think about it would be if in pokemon the opponent could attack and kill red. Since that shit ain't pg, they stripped it, and in the process made a far easier and more accessible game. The way the guy skews his argument it's easy to overlook this while thinking pokemon and yugioh are hand-in-hand, but that's how youtubers'll get ya.

[@DrCoeloCephalo]

Wow. You actually did your research about how Shin Megami Tensei and Dragon Quest predate Pokemon in the monster collecting RPG. Not sure why the protagonist actually fighting makes such a big difference. You still have to command the monsters themselves. It's certainly quite the stretch to claim that removing a battling mechanic/feature is some kind of innovation. I'd argue that that's just watering down the formula. Another thing to keep in mind is that Dragon Quest Monsters had breeding BEFORE Pokemon and handled it way better. It's also not just the anime, but even Pokemon Sun and Moon's games borrowed almost all its new ideas and concepts from the Yo-Kai Watch games but made them worse. Digimon really ISN'T a Pokemon clone because it borrows WAY more ideas and concepts from Shin Megami Tensei than from Pokemon. Honestly, instead of just calling them _"Pokemon Clones"_ , you should instead call them members of the _"Monster Collecting Genre"_ . Calling them clones of Pokemon makes it come off as if Pokemon is the only monster collector that's allowed to be original when the fact SMT and DQ predates it prevents that from being the case.

[@thedothackerkeyblademaster]

+1

[@kappadarwin9476]

+1

[@skycastrum5803]

You aren’t looking at the correct kind of innovation. The difference of fighting along side or not is impactful on the story side. It also shifts the monster collecting focus from a partial aspect of a game to the core feature. There are also a few more aspects linked to “Pokémon clone” besides being a monster collector (though not all boxes need to be checked). Many are story related, having young protagonists typically involved in some sort of competition unique to their world (as the entire premise, not an arc or two). I don’t mean to presume, but you came across as someone who was already a bit sore on the subject of “Pokémon clones” and was more focused on countering than listening. If that is the case, there’s nothing wrong with holding those views, but you’re swinging more at the general concept than the video.

[@DrCoeloCephalo]

@@skycastrum5803 Not really because you certainly can't beat the original Shin Megami Tensei without putting a ton of focus into collecting and training monsters. Using your lone human avatar without a monster party is suicide in those games with how hard they are. Problem is that none of these games I mentioned use competition based stories like Pokemon, so you're completely out of luck if you're trying to call it a Pokemon clone based on that. Shin Megami Tensei generally takes place during the apocalypse with angels and demons trying to conquer the world, NOT friendly competitive tournaments like in Pokemon but all-out life and death WAR. Yo-Kai Watch is just a slice of life comedy with ghost stories. Digimon's main plot is usually over the symbiotic dimensional relationship between the human world and the Digital World and regaining the balance between the 2. The only one you could argue it for is Dragon Quest Monsters but even then, it's more like the monster betting tournament battles they've had since DQ3 which dates back to 1988, 8 years before Pokemon came out.

[@skycastrum5803]

DrCoeloCephalo: A few problems. First, you’re missing the “though not all boxes need to be checked.” Actually, the video isn’t even just looking at “clones.” It’s examining the impact that Pokémon has had. Second, no one is arguing that a few of those are clones (or at least they shouldn’t be). I wasn’t claiming that all the shows you were mentioning were clones. I was arguing in defense of this video’s use of the term. To your first paragraph, I suppose that is an argument for why monster collecting is a central focus? If so, you’re only looking at the mechanics side and ignoring story. Also, SMT has a decent amount of gameplay outside of combat. It’s not a kid-friendly adventure. It’s a survival game with heavy emphasis on choices. (Also, it’s weird. Your post first is saying how SMT is actually similar, then talking about how it’s different. My position is logically consistent because I claim it’s not similar and not a clone, thus just different. Feels like you’re just trying to be contradictory.)

[@Blissy1175]

So let me get this straight.. you explain the minor differences between Shin Megami Tensei (and the original Megami Tensei) from Pokemon, and how Pokemon diverged from SMT's formula, to showcase how Pokemon isn't an SMT clone.. but then every other minor difference between Pokemon and the other games and franchises that came after are brushed aside as "attempts to be different" and label them all clones of Pokemon anyways? I don't know if you know this, but there's a term for this kind of logical fallacy: it's called the double standard. Pokemon isn't an SMT clone - that's true - but neither are any of these franchises pokemon clones (well, there were a couple you mentioned, specifically the one with the president that got arrested for being a pedo, but you should get what I mean here). Similarities and influence does not make one a clone, a clone is a verbatim copy with extremely minor differences (and I mean minor in the sense of same art style but different characters, or even similar characters but different names) - sort of like Fakemon games (fan pokemon games). What you're showcasing here is how a lot of series took marketing cues from Pokemon's success and how Pokemon as a whole influences other franchises in an already existing genre (SMT is monster-collection focused, by the way, it isn't a happy little coincidence or a side feature) to change their model for the better. It's like calling every Battlefield a Call of Duty clone, or Halo a Call of Duty clone - they're just similar, they belong in the same genre, that's how art, and ideas, work.

[@thedothackerkeyblademaster]

+1

[@MrMarinus18]

Thing is "clone" really is a relative statement. Some say if you boil it down there are only 7 truly unique stories. Pokémon did not spring up out of nowhere. The formula of Pokémon existed before. Pokémon however refined the formula and greatly popularized it. Many things go like this. Someone is influenced by a real life thing and does something with it. That slowly becomes a formula in the background. That is until someone makes a version where they have all the most important aspects and it explodes in popularity.

[@blakchristianbale]

Elle he didn't invent the term Pokemon clone, he's just describing how and why it came about; being a clone isn't bad. It's also funny you mention FPSs because the original term for that genre was Doom clone

[@ebadsheikh792]

When did YUGIOH of all stuff become a Pokemon clone???!! What in the absolute hell is this video

[@skipable8595]

A trainwreck. It's a trainwreck.

[@CTOOFBOOGLE]

It’s a CCG? Doesn’t seem that complicated.

[@Lalo3g1]

@@CTOOFBOOGLE these yugioh fans are way too sensitive. I'm a fan who still plays yugioh but damn just because they don't like or agree with 1 aspect of the video they're discrediting the entire piece. Stupid af

[@jdrmanmusiqking]

@@Lalo3g1 You are a freakin idiot. Yugioh is a MtG clone and literally has no relation to pokemon. The examples in the video supporting this idea would make Mr Fantastic pull a muscle for how far ya gotta reach to make these claims.

[@Dunsparce99]

Here before it gets deleted

[@StarDragonJP]

I'll give you credit for at least knowing about Megami Tensei & Dragon Quest, but your logic of everything with monsters is a Pokemon clone is nonsensical, not to mention that you're claiming card games & Gundam are Pokemon clones which existed before Pokemon.

[@OtakuUnderground92]

I think his point when it comes to Gundam and YuGiOh is that the products were influenced by Pokémon’s success and copied from a marketing perspective.

[@skipable8595]

I wonder if he acctually did research.

[@GreatWhite00000]

No dudes, he said Yu-Gi-Oh and Gundam animes drew from the narrative formula of the Pokémon anime.

[@Victory619]

@@GreatWhite00000 there's no narrative to take from the first two seasons!

[@tyronechillifoot5573]

Its kinda funny how ash' chimchar became a far more developed character than ash was until around kalos chimchar's arch was cool abandoned by its trainer for being two weak having to grow develope and learn to control its laten power and the final battle between ash and paul during the sinnoh league was fantastic BEST BATTLE IN THE ENTIRETY OF THE POKEMON ANIME it have cool moves strategy and a epic finnish the dynamic between ash and paul was intresting

[@chrishubbard64]

sounds like charizard. Abandoned as "weak" by its owner, rescued by ash, it eventually evolved and got arrogant so ash had to grow as a trainer and re-earn its respect. (Always though charizard was a dick, dude saved your life, why be a jerk now?)

[@ashessakura7518]

Tyrone Chillifoot Paul vs Ash was bloody amazing!! Their connection brought Chimchar was incredible and having Paul being Ash's shadow archetype was great as well and made him possibly the best. I love Diamond and Pearl so much!! I still remember that scene where Ash and co are in Reggie's car with Paul who's just in the front with no seatbelt on like 'Reggie, I hate you'

[@wompus_king]

@@chrishubbard64 Puberty. It becomes your job to be a dick to authority figures. Next question.

[@Mermain123]

@@chrishubbard64 the beginging premises do sound similar but there a lot of key differences that make chimchar's arc way better. (IMO) we got to see and know chimchar before it was abandoned. charmander was abandoned first. we never see daimon again but paul is always present. after ash helps charmnder it doesn't seem to care at all about daimon but chimchar is very effected by paul. and chimchar never became an arrogant ass....but when it activated blaze it completly lost control of it's powers and had to learn to control that. charmander was a completly different character then charmilion and charizard. i think the new movie that was a LOOSE retelling of the first season was done way better for charmander's character arc

[@DxBlack]

Periods. Commas. Question marks. Exclamation points. Parenthesis..... *WHERE THE FUCK ARE THEY?*

[@DuranmanX]

if you think about it, Pokemon is just a Dragon Quest and Shin Megami Tensei clone

[@maddcruiser8874]

Digimon technically came out first

[@Dave102693]

Pretty much

[@Dragonatrix]

Dragon Quest V itself was an MT clone which followed on from a series of shitty books. And yet *Wizardry* beat 'em all to it.

[@DuranmanX]

@@maddcruiser8874 Digimon was 1997, Dragon Quest V and Shin Megami Tensei were both 1992, with Megami Tensei on Famicom being 1987

[@DuranmanX]

@@Dragonatrix I mention DQV mainly because it was popular and had a more cutesy design, unlike Megami Tensei which was more niche and had a more demonic design and only went cutesy after Pokemon with DemiKids, though you could argue they were going that route with Last Bible, especially on Game Boy

[@MrHurdleking24]

Digimon is not a Pokémon clone.....not even close. Different kind of heart

[@danieldishon688]

That doesn't make it not a clone. You're putting too much negative stigma on the clone label. Calling it a clone just means it came after pokemon and copies some essential skeletal elements the pokemon franchise was booming from using across multiple media outlets it pioneered the idea of. It doesn't mean everything added on top of that skeletal frame cant be presented different, feel different, or have a different story to tell for a different slightly older target audience. It's name is even just pokemons name but replaced "pocket " with "digital ". You can't deny the creators of digimon were thinking about pokemon to at least some degree when making the new franchise.

[@frostmourne1986]

@@danieldishon688 Except the main mechanic of pokemon catching is something that digimon literally does not have.

[@DarkSlasher36]

​@@frostmourne1986 well by that logic you could say nothing is a clone, doesnt change the fact it is you just disagree because they changed the name of a mechanic, because it is the samething, just like how in SMT/Persona has negotiation/had shuffle time.

[@frostmourne1986]

@@DarkSlasher36 you w0t m8? Pokemon's entire shtick is about catching an entire team. Digimon is about breeding a single powerful mon. One is basically a typical RPG, the other is a pet simulator. If anything, digimon is more of a clone of tamagotchi than pokemon. You do understand what "clone" means?

[@DarkSlasher36]

@@frostmourne1986 So i didnt grow up playing digimon, I ain't a retard who ignores that theyre basically the same concept and then will use a features name to say they're different, you can't argue that the concept is the same, just as sleeping dogs, Saints row being clones of GTA both respectable games in there own right, just as Destiny is a Halolands of Duty clone. Also id say pokemon is just about as much to do with breeding as digimon when you consider IVs and EVs as well as nature and ability

[@suohbk6591]

How is Yu-Gi-Oh a clone of Pokemon especially when in yu Gi Oh you don't raise monsters you collect cards So that don't make no sense. And digimons r about digital Monsters And they don't capture digimons with balls and they don't collect multiple digimons either only one. And let's not forget that Pokemon just bit off a digimon recently with the Mega Evolutions so what are y'all talking about.

[@AnarchoBearBear]

Does anyone remember BATTLE B DAMAN!

[@CJCroen1393]

I do!

[@AhsimNreiziev]

I do too.

[@Max_Power_]

I really loved the opening (idk how it is in English, I only watched it in Spanish).

[@robmitch4085]

"These games did it first but pokemon was the first one do to it." I. What? How can pokemon be the first when it was not the first one doing it? I mean you even showed a game that had you doing roughly the same thing as pokemon that came out before it and still said pokemon was the first. In less I am missing something it sounds like you are saying "Pokemon was the first to make pokemon." And as a side note just because something came out after and is roughly the same does not make it a clone. I have to go back to what you was saying about how "These games did this first but because they are not pokemon they don't count." well these games are not pokemon so they are not clones. I am not even a fan of these games and i can find the flaws in this linking. And one more side note. Calling Yuigio a pokemon clone. I mean. The only response I can make to that is are your legs hurting because that is one hell of a leap.

[@damnthatsrough970]

I sometimes feel like i am the only one who didn’t live or grew up with pokemon I only watched digimon and yu gi oh

[@Abdega]

That’s impressive actually

[@justinthejust1732]

Same, with me the only thing of pokemon i knew was the original theme song.

[@kusogakirenfir]

Pretty ironic considering it was the most popular of the three. Personally, I grew up with all three with Digimon being at the very top.

[@ulipeterson6112]

The pokemon anime isnt that good, so you havent missed much. But the pokemon games are great.

[@poisonedyoyo]

You missed out on some amazing games then.

[@Zistheone2]

To be honest, most of the anime I watched as a kid were in the monster-catching genre. Aside from pokémon, my personal favorites were stuff like Digimon, Monster Rancher, Cardcaptors, Yu-Gi-Oh, Flint the Time Detective. Medabots, Mon Kolie Knights, & Fighting Foodons (I even occasionally watched Shinzo whenever it was on Fox Family at the time). There was something about this genre that always appealed to me. Whether or not they were pokémon clones, I always loved the idea of interacting with creatures while exploring different worlds or other places.

[@LunarShift]

Judging before I watch, but because I saw the thumbnail, I just gotta say it... Yu-Gi-Oh! is by no means and in no way a "Pokémon clone", lmao.

[@skipable8595]

Did he even watch the show?

[@Lalo3g1]

But it do

[@ravingtac0896]

It really is not a Pokemon clone

[@Chadfill8348]

Theres a HUUUUUGE difference between a monster collection game and a trading card game

[@pokemonmasterz5604]

@@skipable8595 I watch the show and from storyline to design it's different from Pokemon.

[@TheJournalistJim]

*_Dragon Quest has left the chat_*

[@fatuusdottore]

“It gave them a hero they could relate to.” *shows a picture of Gary*

[@mellowchefsonny]

Well much like Gary, most kids are assholes. Lol. I know I was.

[@smg4reblooperd182]

@@liamsamples99 ya actually

[@CT--ym5mn]

@@liamsamples99 so, brock?

[@NozomuYume]

It's criminal that you talk about the history of monster raising/battling games but don't mention 1985's Mail Order Monsters, probably the first that ever existed. xD

[@NozomuYume]

@@axeknight8073 More specifically it was created by Paul Reiche III who also made the Archon games, the Star Control games, Pandemonium, etc. and went on to work on Skylanders.

[@animangamant1976]

How is yugioh a Pokemon clone. Magic the gathering clone yes and the Pokemon tcg is a magic the gathering clone to. Really yugioh season zero is about games. That is the shonen system Pokemon did not start that. Dragon ball, Jojo , saint sieya and others tournament systems and friends system were out before Pokemon. ?????? I am confused someone help me out here. Am I wrong here.

[@TwitchWasHere]

He literally explained this in the video. The early run of the Yugi as-card-game anime that most of us grew up on is very clearly intentionally structured to be as much like Pokemon as possible. The knockoff factor was so very apparent to me even when I was a kid, and while I try not to begrudge other fans of stuff, the inherent samey-ness was a huge turnoff personally.

[@animangamant1976]

@@TwitchWasHere I understand that but season zero was not and that is still not true most if not all shonen sports or battle manga and anime start the same way. Slam Dunk, Prince of tennis, baby steps, kururo no basket, eyshield 21 and many more. Some of these were out before Pokemon and check them out and you will see they start the same way for goodness sake Sailor Moon starts as the friendship way. If you want to say yugioh was like it every though it is more based on shonen sports if you watch them you understand what I am saying. On of the biggest differences is that Pokemon was never about the tournament but the adventure and yugioh was not.

[@animangamant1976]

Also Pokemon was always about catching all of the Pokemon and yugioh was never about getting all the cards just the best ones for you and your deck. Yes the cartoon was full of a $$ pulls and really nothing like how the real tcg game is played. Yugioh was always about getting better and then saving the someone or something and then saving the world. Feel free to disagree. But please explain why. I look forward to a good debate or discussion.

[@rolebo1]

the pokemon tcg is literally made by the same people as mtg

[@animangamant1976]

@@rolebo1 I forgot that wizards of the coast own both of them. Thanks for the info.

[@brycevo]

Digimon, Digital Monsters. Digimon are the Champions!

[@Jamsalt]

Change into digital champions To save the digital world

[@justinthejust1732]

Digimon, digital monsters, digimon are the champions!

[@yellow90flash59]

please stop it. The Digi Rap is arguably the worst thing that happened to digimon (maybe the writer switch in season 2 was worse but my point still stands)

[@Jamsalt]

@@yellow90flash59 We are singing the original English theme deal with it.

[@Jamsalt]

Or do you want the movie version?

[@zebimicio5204]

Glad that you acknowledged SMT and DQ for laying the foundation of the genre :D

[@koro_kokoro]

If yugioh copied Pokémon, then Pokémon took the card concept from magic the gathering

[@KhoiNguyen-ef7lu]

Yes, it did.

[@AVAL2775]

yep, mtg was the first every other card game took the ideas set forth by mtg

[@koro_kokoro]

@@AVAL2775 inspired* people always forget thats new ideas are based off old one, like his Disney took idea from the public domain to make theirs, and now abuses their power to extend the time before works enter the public domain so their greed can continue, and that notion seems to have seeped into popular culture as well, that its just copying instead of taking inspiration

[@koro_kokoro]

@Manannan anam yes, and how do you think things evolve? they took the ideas created and expanded upon them

[@koro_kokoro]

@Manannan anam so you hate all comic book character made by DC and marvel then? because that back and forth is how they came to be

[@johnreniel]

Drinking time Drink everytime he say pokemon

[@SwagbitoUchiha]

I died, why’d you do this to me

[@justinthejust1732]

*hik*Why does the sky taste of the song of piano?*hik*

[@CodemasterJamal]

ironically was already drinking a Corona.

[@erebuskaslana1583]

Wasted

[@xa447]

Tokyo ghoul is my favorite pokemon clone, it has everything monsters that fight each other, a bit of fighting but the band is established by vol. 8, the investigators collecting monsters(kinda) to build there collection and be the strongest

[@ultralucario9152]

Same >:D

[@AceAttorneyGod]

"What in god's name is a Telefang?" - Jontron

[@nyieshalinae831]

Pokemon but on flip phones.

[@jordanpugh9799]

I believe JoJo's bizarre adventure was also an inspiration for Pokemon if I'm not mistaken.

[@Lightspeeds]

Never knew that. I know jojo's been an inspiration for persona.

[@abbycomello3524]

@@Lightspeeds and mickey mouse

[@mysteryperson1958]

IZ DAT A JAJA REFERNCE!!!!!!!!!

[@seymourdemonica9264]

I think you're undermining Megami Tensei and Dragon Quest's influence on Pokemon and the "monster collecting" genre. You only named negligible differences between them and Pokemon, so it's hard to take your word on some of these "knock-offs". And just because they then followed Pokemon more closely after Pokemon was released means they only saw a market for that sort of game. Doesn't negate the significance of their previous titles.

[@gabrielcandeia6681]

Daisoujou is right.

[@seymourdemonica9264]

@@gabrielcandeia6681 [*casts Mediarahan*] Thank you, mortal one.

[@ThrottleKitty]

No, you don't seem to understand how this really works. People don't copy some game they haven't heard of that is much like a very popular one that came out 3 minutes sooner. They copy popular games that make lots of money and Pokemon's popularity lead to a lot of similar products being made or remade in it's image.

[@greyhawk175]

@@ThrottleKitty ..... You do know that the creator of Pokemon WAS/IS A DRAGON QUEST FAN. Also those are popular franchises.... One of them is even in smash.

[@ThrottleKitty]

No, nor do most people. That was entirely my point. Everything is inspired by something that came before it in some form or another. When people are inspired by something, they aren't inspired by all the things it was inspired by. It's not transitive, they are inspired by only the thing in front of them. Pokemon was infinitely popular, and therefor inspired a great many people, another property doesn't just "get the credit" for what Pokemon is responsible for just because Pokemon had to come from somewhere. No idea comes from a vacuum. It's like saying you've never done anything in your life. Your parents deserve credit for everything good you ever accomplish, but your still responsible for your own failings. It's ridiculous.

[@Mudkip971]

You know it's fascinating how I got into Yuguioh long before Pokemon

[@bdpickett]

Yu-Gi-Oh Season 0 really wasn't that dark. In fact, it tended to work harder at toning down the content than even the Duel Monsters series. It even turned Honda/Tristan from anreformed bully with a hard edge into a foppish dweeb who runs the school's clean-up club. Plus, I'm reasonably certain that the Duelist Kingdom arc was already well on its way by the time the Toei season went into production, which is why it included the field based power-ups in the Dueling and had Yugi face more Duelists sent by Kaiba. Hell, the theatrical short film had the Duel Disk prototypes from the end of that arc.

[@matthewbickley4289]

"Yugi this is season zero, duel monsters hasn't been introduced yet"

[@KKarkatVantas]

Sorry, but calling these series clones is very degrading. They all have very their own ideias. Do they have similaritys with pokemon? Yes. Were they inspired by pokemon? Yes. Were they pokemon clones? No. They all are their own things. So you are doing a disservice to these series by calling them clones.

[@GoinGreninja]

Exactly.

[@MiloKuroshiro]

... Except they used the same marketing techniques and hype behind Pokémon to get going, even Digimon and Yu-Gi-Oh totally reshaped theirs image and marketing to fit it

[@duwangchew9902]

Did you catch the tibit at the end of the video? The only reason it sounds degrading is because viewers/media consumers have added a negative connotation to it. Like Geoff said, almost nothing is wholly 100% original and that's perfectly okay. It in no way lowers the potential quality of the product.

[@KKarkatVantas]

@@duwangchew9902 No it's not media that put a degrading spin on it, saying that something is a clone of other thing IS degrading. What is a clone? An exact copy of another thing. When you say something is a copy of other thing, you are saying that one of them didn't had any creativity, that they didn't even try to do something different. But that's not true, these series try to inovate or change the formula to make their own thing, and that is not a copy, that is inspiration. Sorry but he used clone in the title because he knew it was degrading and would get attention, if he wanted to show that these series are good even though they have similaritys, he would've titled it "A brief history of Pokemon inspired franchises" or something like that.

[@KKarkatVantas]

@@MiloKuroshiro And? So just because you use the same marketing techniques and hype, your game/anime is the same? So the game/anime by itself doesn't matter, just the marketing that it was used. Sorry but I have to disagree, this still don't make them clones.

[@SuperPlacido1]

DIGIMON & YUGIOH ARE NOT POKEMON CLONES!!

[@strippinheat]

You called Ni no Kuni a Pokemon clone even after you distinguished MegaTen and DQ5 by stating you have characters that fight ALONGSIDE the monster, which Ni no Kuni does. If anything, Ni no Kuni is a MegaTen clone, not a Pokemon clone.

[@marsupialmole3926]

God I hate the Pokemon anime The appeal of Pokemon to me is the intense strategy involved, not just in the battle itself but in team composition, itemization, and meta-values like unexpected builds. Even as a kid I loved the idea of an anime for the video game I had fallen in love with because I loved the idea of an anime where the protagonist is smart rather than just getting by on strength and stubbornness The feeling of disappointment I felt at the age of 7 has followed me into my adult life. I hate the anime and always will because of how betrayed I felt by it as a child

[@marsupialmole3926]

@Nick Pyro An organic world is great, but Ash uses a Krabby to beat an Exeggutor and a Pikachu to beat a Rhydon. That's just going way too far

[@greyhawk175]

Thunder armor

[@jayisabird6031]

@@marsupialmole3926 dont forget about the pikachu vs onyx fight

[@TheAbsol7448]

Dude, you should read the Adventures manga series.

[@thekidkrow]

The cynicism you're displaying here is really gross and disingenuous at the end.

[@ligtningdog6399]

He has a right to be. While series like Digimon, Megaman Battle Network, and Youkai Watch tried to take the "boy and his collectible monsters" formula to new and interesting placing in their written; series like Beyblades and Bakugan focused on the toy and nothing else.

[@Kaninchenbau]

For the record, Digimon Adventure (the series) went into production before the Mamoru Hosoda short movie did, the series wasn't made because "it got greenlit", in fact it went the other way around entirely. Hiroyuki Kakudou (the series director of Adventure, 02 and a whole buttload of other crap) stated in the afterwords of the Digimon Adventure novel series (Volume 2) that Bandai and Toei had slowly began a project to create a 50-or-so episode TV series about Digimon in the early summer of 1998. When said plans/the concept of the series was getting finalized in the fall, the project had evolved into a multimedia project where ANOTHER team at Toei was given the task to create a movie to promote the series while in V-Jump there'd be a Digimon comic, the key thing being that all three projects would feature the same protagonist. Although his name came from Toei, Yagami Taichi made his first appearance in November of 1998 when Digimon Adventure V-Tamer 01 began its publication, a (fantastic!) comic that has nothing to do with the TV series, it just happens to feature Taichi and is where the character originally comes from (as his design was created by Yabuno Ten'ya, the artist of V-Tamer). So yeah. The series would've been made regardless of the Hosoda movie. THE MORE YOU KNOW 🌈🌟

[@seifer93]

Even in light of this video expanding on your claim that Digimon is a Pokemon knock-off, I still disagree with the premise. Both the Digimon show and video games are really only similar to Pokemon in that 1) they exist to sell toys to kids 2) they have a lot of monsters 3) they're shonen works. Digimon World and Pokemon really aren't comparable at all - everything from the gameplay mechanics to storytelling to character motivations are extremely different. The shows are similar in that they're centered around themes of friendship, but that's just usual shonen schlock and is not in any way original to Pokemon. Digimon was almost certainly spurred on by Pokemon's international success, but I think it's distinct enough to not qualify as a clone or ripoff of the Pokemon IP.

[@radordekeche947]

I'd wonder if Megaman Battle Network is actually copying Pokemon. Just because something uses a mechanic first, does it mean that everything that comes after is copying the original? If Mario is the first platformer, then are all platformers copying Mario?

[@blakchristianbale]

Rador Dekeche yeah you can very, very easily argue that all platformers are copying Mario. That isn't a bad thing though

[@raposarealm]

I'll note up front that I'm talking from the biased perspective of having not had anything to do with Pokemon, but... no. No, it's not. I mean, marketing-wise, there's probably some influence. The Exe series began in 2001, so it was definitely being released under the Pokemon craze -- but I'd say it was more influenced by the JRPG genre as a whole. This was the first time that Capcom had approached doing anything like a JRPG, both in terms of combat mechanics and in terms of story writing, for the Rockman franchise. So they probably took inspiration from the more popular series of the day, and noticed the common trend of 'young protag-kun and his traveling (sometimes animal) buddies go saving the day' trend, and decided to implement it. Somewhere along the way, that eventually translated as using Rockman himself as the default combat character, but eschewing his usual main protagonist status in place of an original character. But Exe didn't end up as 'Pokemon but Rockman', it ended up as 'Rockman but RPG'. The overall trends in character and world writing as seen in series like Pokemon are just... really common in JRPGs of that era. There's an interview from the game writing staff somewhere that I'm too lazy to track down right now that stated that they took inspiration from popular TCGs of the time, which would've probably included Pokemon and similar series that had card tie-ins. But because having little monsters or other creatures being summoned up to do the fighting isn't really in the spirit of the franchise, I suppose, they instead used that system as a weaponry system, which is how we ended up the final Battle Chip system used in all versions of the series. But while the 'collectable' part of the script is there, the 'monster' part isn't. You only get to use one combatant in all of the Exe games, and there's very little customization outside of changing out the chip folder. Yes, this is a little similar to changing one's team roster in something like Pokemon, but in those games, changing the roster can completely change your playstyle. In Exe, changing the chips can only get you so far -- all combat is still based on high speed and agility, since you're stuck playing with a veritable glass cannon. As for storywise, it's a lot harder to say. Geoff points out fairly well the wide variety of storylines used in collectable monster stories, so you can't really say if a series is copying another or not just by looking at its plot only. Yes, the wide variety of weaponry that some of the characters use is reminiscent of collectable monster rosters, and the overarching themes of comradery and friendship found are also common in those series... as they are in basically every modern shounen. It's less that Exe might have been copying Pokemon here, and more that Pokemon was copying older storylines, as those storylines had done themselves. No idea's fully original, after all. The problem is just that there's no fully consistent definition of what makes a series a 'Pokemon clone', but I'm fairly certain that no matter what that definition would say, Exe doesn't fall under it. Oh, and also Exe wasn't a platformer, it was a turn-based pvp system. :)

[@facuruiz1995]

Along this video I can't help but think you're giving Pokemon maybe more praise than it deserves and comparing it to other franchises that you simply disregards as clones. Honestly, I didn't understand what the point of the video was rather than "Look at everything that I think was influenced by Pokemon even though I have no conclusive evidence to based that on". Suggestion: How about changing the title to "Franchises that may have been inspired by Pokemon's success (personal viewpoint)"? Otherwise it seems to me that you take everything you say as fact, which in multiple parts of the video it's just not the case. Tl;dr: "Pokemon clones" dude come on, explain yourself better.

[@abbycomello3524]

im starting to think that he isn't the only one living in his mothers basement....

[@TheRasp10]

yugioh and bakugan were more my cup of tea

[@gerardsaintosirisch]

17:11 well I see how the story works as what you said in the Bakuten (first) gen & Burst gen anime, but the story didn't work the same in the first season of Metal Fight gen anime

[@GuardianDarkAngel]

I personally think you classify "clone" to broadly. Clone by definition is exactly that. A copy. And much like a rip off, it's a carbon copy with slight alterations. Now I will agree with the impact Pokemon had, and companies copying mechanics from the Pokemon game yes. Fact is however that not everything is a copy because it uses popular mechanics. I think it's dishonest to call everything a clone of everything else. Much like how people say Yu-Gi-Oh is a Magic the gathering rip off, or how Digimon is a Pokemon rip off. Neither of which is true. In Digimon the anime it was centered around one "tamer" and one Digimon. In the card games you can argue that yes Digimon's card game was almost a carbon copy but still had different mechanics. I think we are all far too jaded if what we see as a clone or ripoff is literally everything with similar mechanics to something else.

[@thedothackerkeyblademaster]

+1

[@conradkorbol]

They are clowns in the way bands were Beatles clones They took so much influence hoping to achieve the exact same thing that they are a clone It’s copying the formula to achieve the same thing So just because they were slightly different is to avoid copyright infringement

[@GuardianDarkAngel]

@@conradkorbol But that's a jaded view of the word clone. It works literally work off the concept that EVERYTHING in existence now is just a clone of something else by virtue of having relative elements of it. IE: Hotdogs are just clones of Hamburgers because they use the same meat just processed different.

[@conradkorbol]

GuardianDarkAngel Hamburg’s and hotdogs aren’t the meat and have different flavors Plus hamburgers are ground beef and hotdogs are not I am saying that if hot dogs came into existence becusse of hamburgers and they used the exact same methods hamburgers did to become successful and tried out the things that made hamburgers hamburgers then hotdogs would be a clone

[@conradkorbol]

GuardianDarkAngel Anyways I think besides bayblades and bakugan it’s unfair to call the other pokemon clowns Especially yu GI oh and digimon which are rip offs of other franchises that aren’t pokemon

[@SkoomaGodDovahkiin666]

You can't call YGO a pokeclone since pokemon is about making friends while YGO is about losing them. Why yes I play Drytron and Kashtira, how can you tell?

[@mafeuk]

Do Beanie babies count as a pokemon clone?

[@Aldini_to]

to GEoff probably

[@ScottAndNumbers]

Of course they are. Thanks to Pokemon's success, I had to buy all the Ty Beanie Babies. CURSE YOU POKEMON!!! (just ignore the fact Beanie Babies were around before Pokemon)

[@deet917]

I liked the video overall but I think you're going to have to be specific on how you define "clone" when comparing some of these shows to pokemon because a few seem like a stretch to me. Sad the pokemon sun and moon video won't be coming back..it was one of my favs.

[@jfeeble23]

Wow, so no mention of Monster Hunter Stories

[@zebimicio5204]

And World of FF for that matter

[@gravityhero2227]

Anyone remember Fossil Fighters or Spectrobes?

[@JDReC100]

OMG SPECTROBES YES!!!!!!!!!!! and yeah i remember fossil fighters , but vaguely

[@youinanalternateuniverse]

Fossil Fighters was the shit when I was a kid and I still play it to this very day. I recently got spectrobes ds after hearing a lot about it but I haven’t played that much of it.

[@ayan4249]

Still got the Spectrobes Wii game.

[@CallieBlader]

yes! champions is a really cool and fun game to play. grindy as hell if you 100% though. fuck beyond the portals, but origins is where it's at. while the ds spectrobes game didn't keep me interested enough, origins did. it was fun, i had a blast, and i enjoy going through it again and again.

[@withercat]

god i love fossil fighters

[@GoodNight0wl]

You did little to no research on this. You stated opinions with no factual basis, claiming them like they're fact. You only have a wealth of knowledge in Pokemon, instead of the "clones" as you call them.

[@yankeenobonagu6411]

dude digimon is so profound it makes me cry in awe

[@barryallen4975]

Like if digimon>Pokemon